Wings Over Scotland

Of course Gordon knows what’s happening.
He gets his information in advance from Joracle McTernan.

Good old Gordon – not one to let himself get confused by facts.

Although Smith was signed up to by each party, no one should forget it is the LOWEST COMMON DEMOMINATOR of the parties involved. It is the maximum devolution which the London Unionists were willing to agree to. And, it is the minimum they thought they could get away with.

It fell far short of the many submissions by all sorts of organisations like charities and trade unions.

Smith didn’t come anywhere near the levels of power transfer implied by phrases like DevoMax, Federal, Home Rule. The promises and guarantees Brown himself made implied a whole different league.

Scottish voters, including a great many NOs, have long since had expectations for transfer of powers far greater than Smith!

Same old story on devolution – WM offers too little too late, never catching up with Scottish aspirations.

Brown knows feck all.

Just a switch of strategy. He argued the Vow wasn’t delivered when fighting the Tories at the GE 2015. Now that battles lost, he will say the Vow was delivered in order to fight the SNP on 2016.

The thrust will be what are the SNP doing with the new powers that Labour helped deliver.

Not that I am cynical.

Help – Help does anyone know how to escape this parallel universe I am trapped in . It’s like Alice in wonderland, and wonderland is looking pretty inviting, a place of safety and normality Help Help.

Hereth begineth repeat repeat repeat for the build up to May 16

Kenny says:
2 November, 2015 at 11:16 pm

Jules: I always thought of Crash as a poor man’s Tony Blair.

He was NEVER that good Kenny! 😀

The VOW:’Home rule for Scotland’,’As close to federalism as possible’.

Utter, utter sh*te.

The new Scotland bill is a financial trap to lock ANY Scottish Government into the whims of London. My honest opinion, is the Scottish Government should reject it in the Scottish Parliament, in its entirety.

Nice to Gordon Brown and the Labour party is still in bed with the Tories in London. The man is a total fraud.

Does Brown realise that Mundell’s answer to mitigating welfare cuts is to raise the money needed by putting up taxes.

So, we have to pay higher taxes and take money out of other departments budgets, just to stand still.

I’m just not getting excited at the prospect of that.

I’ll have Independence please.

English regions are actually falling for this “power house” shit as well.

All Osborne is doing is giving the regions pocket money and then it’s up to them how they spend it.

It’s a win win for Osborne. Because the regions take all blame for not delivering when the budget runs out.

Just look at the nick Wales.

thank God for sites like this one.
We’re it not for this we would be blindly shepherded into a kind of ill informed acceptance of whatever the MSM decided we were to believe that perticular week.
@proud cybernat has it right. We are a better informed electorate now than ever before.
WE will decide whether the vow has been delivered……….At the ballot box next year.

Frightening.

Toom tabard.

I suppose it should be pointed out that even if there are a 100 amendments and a Tory climb down, who has pushed then to do this? The one Labour MP or the 56 SNP ones?

🙂

This third Scotland Act falls short of what we want but it is another step along the way. Every power we prise from their grasp makes Scotland that bit more our own.

“including repealing the Tory tax credit cuts”.

That’s even worse than “reversing”. Holyrood can not “repeal” a Westminster Act. Unless the Scotland Act is going to give Holyrood complete power over Westminster, which would be a complete reversal? What will we do with such power? Power power power!!!

Answers on a postcard to G Brown, A world of his own, Fife.

Gordon Brown still the Tories clunking helper.

I thought the new hospital piece on BBC was first class and ended on a really upbeat note. More next week. We’ll see

It further convinced me that Eleanor Broadfudd should be taken out and flung off the roof

100 Tory amendments lol.Tories,whatever the colour, will not give Scotland anything they don’t need to. Anything they do concede will ultimately be pointless,useless and be what the unionists think will tie the Scottish Parliament in knots. Turn it down.

I’m on the edge of my seat here expecting Home rule and near federalism…

No seriously.

Anyone else feeling all excited?

Anyone?

Mr Brown is a liar isn’t he? (sigh)

We’re not getting home rule. There will be no near federal solution and the new powers are a fiscal and constitutional bear trap. The public were mislead by Messrs Broon, Cameron, Darling, Miliband, Clegg and all with the willing aid of the media to sell the pitch. Until we decide otherwise we’re living in austerity UK under the long term stewardship of a conservative government.

Now tell me a conservative government of any stripe is trustworthy. That we believe, even for an instant that those people who run a system based on parliamentary sovereignty would be willing to part with any significant control, powers or access to resources willingly. Of course they aren’t and no amount of media or ‘big political beasties’ should convince anyone otherwise.

They lied during the referendum and they are lying now. They aren’t fit to clean the boots of the poorest in the land. So back to the important job of showing each and every one of those disingenuous pricks the door and reserving a special kick in the erse on the way out for Mr Broon.

They were given the chance to come good. They chose not to honour those who gave them that chance.

A poor choice on their part. FFA and honouring what they ‘led’ the public to believe would more than likely have extended the union successfully for at least a generation.

@Tackety Beets says: 3 November, 2015 at 1:26 am :

” … I noticed that a distant shot of Trident had the “English /St George Flag” flying on it. Then next the closer shot has the UJ .”

Just for the record, Tackety, all RN ships & boats fly the Union Jack, (a smaller version of the Union Flag), at the, “Jack Staff”, mounted on the ship’s or boat’s bows. It is only flown while in port or at anchor.

On the stern staff they fly the Royal Navy White Ensign that incorporates the St George’s Cross.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Royal Fleet Auxiliaries and Mercantile Marine fly the Blue Ensign and red Ensign respectively. Incidentally it is illegal for civilian ships to fly either the Union jack or the RN white Ensign. Many other Ensigns are in use such as the RAF white Ensign that incorporates the RAF red, white and blue roundels.

I would assume you saw the distant boat, (subs are boats not ships), at sea but when closer she was either anchored, tied to a buoy or in port and had run down the other one.

You know, talking of flags and ensigns, what will the position be after independence?

We will after all, (at lease to begin with), still have Lizzie as the Queen of Scots. I can only assume that the Scots navy ships will fly an ensign that includes The Lion Rampant in the upper staff corner and a white naval background on the other three quarters. Instead of the UJ they will fly The Saltire – Err! no they won’t for the saltire is the international signal flag known as the Blue Peter and, if memory serves, I am about to leave port.

How appropriate..

“..alone it signals, “My vessel is stopped and making no way through the water.”

@ Robert

Until 1707, The Royal Scots Navy flew a red ensign with a Saltire in the corner.

So Wikipedia tells me.

There is a picture of it.

@Macart
Crunch time for the Union. If all Mundell has done is remove the vetoes, which were almost certainly put in there in the first place to be removed after “pleading” from the Scottish Government and to show how generous Westminster is, there’s going to be at least some devo-maxers disappointed, if they know what it’s all about.

So I guess the trick is to let them know what it’s all about! And then with any luck watch the swingometer move to YES faster than Mundell could say jumpin’ union jack flash.

@Robert Peffers
Strange how they call the merchant one the red duster, but not the blue duster for the RFA one.

@Yesindyref2

That’s pretty much how I read it. The veto was never required when you face a parliament that can vote down any request put forward anyway. You have to chuckle at the great show Fluffy is making of 100 amendments 😀 LOL

Of the twenty which the SG put forward (and were instantly rejected), only one mattered as far as the Scottish electorate were concerned, that of Full Fiscal Autonomy. The SG as promised put forward the amendment. It was tabled, debated and defeated by a landslide vote in commons. Who knew?

In all the hoo ha generated by ‘the vow delivered’ we’re going to hear, the real prize was denied by the collective votes of one signatory only as the 56 comprised almost the entirety of the votes in favour.

link to thenational.scot

Home rule denied and the devolution ‘journey’ ended at the current Scotland Bill. Welcome Scots, to the final destination, now leave your tickets in the receptacle before leaving the bus. A free bowl of cereal is to replace the fine roast dinner you were expecting.

The only vote and the only amendment which constitutes anything near what the Scottish electorate were led to believe was on the table. Of course it never was on the table as was exhaustively detailed by the author of this site and a good many others besides. The ‘vow’ was always empty meaningless waffle and rhetoric with a few signatures sold by the media as devo max.

The meeja will attempt to rewrite history of course. I doubt they would willingly remind people of what they wrote and broadcast, but we can’t let either them or their chain tuggers get away with the con. Any opportunity we get, stick the vids up on links, the front pages and the interviews all using the FFA/Devo Max pitch. They’ve always had a selective memory problem where their own dishonesty is concerned.

Macart says:
3 November, 2015 at 7:07 am

Unfortunately that covers it!

The Red Indians got 60guilders from the Dutch for Manhattan in the 17th. century. They wouldn’t fall for the same con again.

300 years after the first dishonest deal with their Union “partners” will the Scots?

@Clootie

Only if we allow folk to forget Clootie and I’m not up for that. When this bill is eventually signed off and delivered, THAT is when we get loud.

Every fecking chance we post an interview, a newspaper headline, a quote. A simple google this morning rendered enough Devo Max headlines of Sept 2014 to provide links aplenty. The media may conveniently forget the part they played in the deception, but we won’t.

Is “Major Conservative Amendments” retired or still on active duty?

Is there anyone left who seriously believes a single word Gordon Brown utters?

Remember this is the clown who said that with the scrapping of the 10p tax band that no one will be
left worse off.

He also claimed that he there would be no return to Tory boom and bust and had created an economy that could withstand any global economic downturn

Vote NO get NO-thing thats exactly what we have got with the VOW aka the FRAUD perpetrated by the Daily Record/Broon.

Sadly, it is an established fact that if you speak slowly in a deep register some folk will believe you whatever nonsense you spout.

The Yanks realised this decades ago even having corrective elocution lessons for CIA agents and the like.

Brown’s booming delivery is ideal for that purpose.

I noted some Professor Higgins type must have gotten to Kezia Doolittle going by her performance on QT last week. She was speaking slower and with less squeak.

Unfortunately that WIP has only progressed far enough to the point where folk can actually hear what she is saying, hence the silent response.

At least before, she may have got a small applause from those who mistakingly though they were watching a performing dolphin or perhaps a particularly yelpy new puppy.

Can we expect kezia dugdale not to use the tragic death of a child in a Glasgow hospital to try to associate it with the snp & their failure. They have lots of form with this kind of thing. Johann Lamont bringing a cancer sufferer to sit in the public gallery during fmq’s just to embarrass Salmond (nice) Then there was the tragedy of the couple who died in a car crash but lay undiscovered for days. When labour use stunts like this their followers feel unconstrained. You only have to read the Scotsman comments saying Sturgeon hasn’t blood on her hands over that car crash. The snp were also accused of contributing towards the death of Charles Kennedy.

I notice he does not say the VOW has been delivered.
He says the Smith Commission has been delivered if it is passed into law. In the middle of that he has an aside referring to the roots of the Smith Commission.

Like a salesman saying a watch – inspired by the Rolex watches- will cost £10 plus delivery.

You forget that Red and Blue Tories both have the same austerity
policies and base their manifesto’s on lying.

They work together to stop Scotland getting their fair share of the money we generate.

Much safer to keep stuffing the pockets of the rich and their
lackeys, the Westminster Politicians