Wings Over Scotland

Nice work Chris, even though it’s grim.

In other news…

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” Edinburgh Yes Hub are holding another “question time” style debate, though without the rancour and BBC bias, on September 21 in the Queen’s Hall in Edinburgh.

SNP and Greens invited, but not seeing ALBA spokesperson on the guest list. Feel bound to ask whether the rancour and BBC bias been replaced by someone else’s?

Thanks to Hieronymus Bosch (you Sicko!)

I think that is unfair to Hieronymus Bosch he ain’t no Sicko just no good at painting fantasy!

I think he may have inspired an artist working with an old ripped off copy of photoshop who is currently doing excellent work which features a lot of magpies & ‘Morphy Richards’ irons.

I’m relying on you guys to do the work. Cheers!

When you have finished figuring out all the symbolism in Chris’s latest cartoon could you please go back to ‘Behind the Walls’ thread to talk about books?

Do we want the ‘Saughton Prison Library’ to end up with 50 copies of ‘War & Peace’?

Many thanks you are all wonderful.

Knowing the US and their lap dog UK they will set up and finance a insurgency group in Afghanistan,

cause they don`t seem to know any other way, they are still fighting the Cold War,so called `Communism` versus Greed.

a never ending circle of death and destruction for the citizens of Afghanistan.

dear Rev,

any idea when your twitter will be reincarnated as it keeps me sane.

Well Mr Cairns – you’ve outdrawn yourself. Sometimes it’s words that we need, sometimes it’s an artist and sometimes it’s a bite of music.
In retirement, these pages still manages to provide two of the three necessities to carry on with a little bit of hope.
Thanks a million to you both

I would liked to have heard Craig Murray’s analysis of this awful situation. Unfortunately he has been effectively silenced for the time being. I shudder what the situation in Afghanistan will be like when Craig is free again. Awful just awful. The disgusting fact is that those responsible for this neocon debacle will be the last to suffer what’s coming.

Edinburgh’s AUOB march has had to be moved from the 2nd of October to the 25th of September, on advice from authorities.

AUOB’s Stirling march will take place on the 11th of September for those that wish to attend either or both if inclined.

We are assuming it’s a reference to Afghanistan but we’ve created a few “gardens” like that, all over the region, in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, to name a few.

‘Disaster capitalism’ and ‘disaster foreign policy’ combine well in creating the conditions for terrorism to flourish and the pretext for future defence spending, interventions, and wars.

Further bucks are to be made “reconstructing” the “gardens” we create. It’s ‘Ground Force’ for sociopaths, with scum like Blair and Bush standing in for Titchmarsh and Dimmock…

I’m no knocking it. Well, not entirely. I appreciate that without this “dynamism” the US and UK economies would flatline. More so than ever we depend on sowing seeds of destruction in these gardens of earthly delights.

What else is there for us in a world that’s better than us at just about everything else? Death and destruction is all we are good at. In truth, it’s pretty much all we were ever good at.

@ Frank Gillougley: is this Edinburgh or Afghanistan?

Snap.

‘I’m no knocking it. Well, not entirely. I appreciate that without this “dynamism” the US and UK economies would flatline. More so than ever we depend on sowing seeds of destruction in these gardens of earthly delights.

What else is there for us in a world that’s better than us at just about everything else? Death and destruction is all we are good at. In truth, it’s pretty much all we were ever good at.’

Not only does this statement display a stunning lack of economic knowledge it also displays a total ignorance of history and a will to blame us Europeans and European descendants for the woes of the world.

If you want to look at the destruction of middle Eastern countries and the opening of our borders, the growth of the military industrial complex, the neocons etc then the people you primarily need to look at are the Zionist establishment.

Bloody hell Mr Cairns…

Recon I’ve got PTSD just from looking at the detail.

You deserve another holiday after churning that one out.

Jeez-oh…

The very last thing I want to be is an apologist for the Taliban, nor do I condone any atrocity or brutality, but I genuinely wonder whether “the West” looking from the outside into a radical Islamist Afghanistan bears comparison beside a Muslim world looking from the outside into a radical Western enclave in Israel, usurped territory which completely disrespects the UN and International Law with impunity, treats Palestinians barbarically while destroying their livelihoods, killing their children, stealing their land, and even ploughing up their basic road infrastructure, and is furthermore routinely used as a base from which the West can launch air strikes, bombings, spy missions, and drone strike assassinations into sovereign states without even any pretence of a trial.

And yet it’s “us” who are meant to fear the Taliban. Just imagine how you’d feel living in Scotland if Westminster, in cahoots with the USA, arbitrarily decreed that all roads connecting Glasgow and Edinburgh had to be ploughed up and made permanently impassable, and deployed armoured bulldozers to make it so. And the kids getting shot for throwing stones weren’t Palestinian children, but ordinary and angry, Scottish kids.

I’ve said as much before, but I’ll say it again, it is us, our collective Western foreign policy throughout the Middle East, which is responsible for the radicalisation of Islam. We created the Taliban. It is our chicken coming home to roost.

We cannot defeat Islam, not because Islam is strong, but because no right thinking neutral can look at how the West abuses the people who live throughout the Middle East and condone “our” conduct and highly selective interpretation of laws, decency, and humanity. Without justice and equity, there will never be closure nor an end to this. Never.

Start being honest about it. The West isn’t seeking peace in the Middle East, it is demanding capitulation and subjugation, – fealty. But surrendering that freedom is that which no honest man Muslim gives up but with life itself. Does that sound familiar to your ear?

I happened to watch that 300 movie last night, the one with Gerard Butler and 300 Spartans in their underpants, and I couldn’t help noticing how Americanised the script was….

The 300 Spartans are styled as “free men” defending a democracy and standing up to an all-powerful Tyrant with unlimited military resource at his disposal. The Spartans euthanise their weak children, submit the rest to a lifetime of violence or prostitution for dirty old men, rolls which they mustn’t complain about, are immune to the seductions of Xerxes, he has nothing they want, and despite the impossible odds and certainty of death, they are ready, willing, and able to forfeit their lives because their warrior society expects that ultimate sacrifice from them.

I’m curious. Why is that act of suicidal sacrifice noble heroism from a Spartan, but it’s radicalised terrorism from a Muslim?

I repeat, I am absolutely not condoning the Taliban, not one atrocity, inhumanity or murder of the innocent, or cowardly suicide bomber do I excuse. I am simply asking the question, what else did we expect to happen?

@Breeks

‘The west’ acts in accordance with the wishes of the Zionists. Or at least the major governments do.

The biggest player in this is the US, obviously.

Ex congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney once spoke openly about how the Israeli lobby expected her to pledge allegiance to Israel or they would fund her opponents.

The weight that Israel carries in the US is absolutely immense to the point that the US is now pretty much a puppet state.

I refuse to accept this blame for the West in general. It is utter garbage foisted on us by a media who largely rests in the hands of the culprits.

“The peoples of Afghanistan are tough, they’ll survive”.

There was a chap on Channel 4 News last night saying that someone the Taliban accused of working for the enemy had both legs broken as punishment. A woman who refused to cook for the Taliban was burned alive. Believe me, this is just the beginning. Afghanistan has turned the clock back to the 7th Century.

@Ottomanboi

I want this incarnation of ‘the west’ to die.

We have become nothing short of brain washed consumerist weaklings

@Captain Yossarian

Quoting the TV is what caused the face-palm

You’re familiar with the scenes at closing time at CC’s when Holyrood is sitting then Chris?

What a shift!
Holiday weekend, at least, is deserved.

willie “Hatuey, I most certainly would not call Afghanistan an earthly delight. Have you been on the electric soup this morning good Sir.”

It’s not my analogy, squire. I merely went along with it.

“I’m curious. Why is that act of suicidal sacrifice noble heroism from a Spartan, but it’s radicalised terrorism from a Muslim?”

Breeks @12.19pm.

I’m pretty sure Breeks its based on the Western civilisations choosing the ancient Greek culture and achievements, to then base Western society on them, men such as Socrates, Archimedes, Aristotle etc are, were the basis of our Western learning.

It’s well known that those groomed for high posts learn works such as Homers Iliad, of which its said Boris Johnson can recite it in Latin.

Joe “Not only does this statement display a stunning lack of economic knowledge it also displays a total ignorance of history and a will to blame us Europeans and European descendants for the woes of the world.”

It is a matter of fact and not opinion that European expansion from the early 16th century onwards depended so much on violence that it is virtually impossible to make any meaningful distinction between that violence and the expansion itself.

If you take the exploits of Cortes in the Americas as a starting point and join the dots all the way through to say The Scramble for Africa, you will see the common denominator is violence. That’s the foundations of our global economy today.

It isn’t in any way controversial to suggest that there would be no United States today if there had been no willingness on the part of Europeans to engage in wholesale industrial violence. The same can be said of many places, including Australia, South Africa, Singapore, etc., and all the central of hubs of today’s global economy.

It’s hard to believe that we could ever have negotiated these sorts of settlements. Impressive as our trinkets were back in the day, I don’t think the 50 millions native American Indians that were wiped out in North America, for example, would have given their lives and land for them.

Christ, even the pathetic Belgians were at it. Do you know they had human zoos right into the 1950s in Belgium?

That’s all pretty basic stuff as far as history goes — anyone can read that and validate it in seconds.

It all gets much more interesting and diabolical when you consider that the era is referred to as the age of “European enlightenment”.

Well, thank fuck we go enlightened. I can’t imagine what the world would be like now if we took one of our dark turns back then.

….and let’s not forget, while we’re all putting the boot into the Europeans, that the Taliban are still cutting folk’s heads off with kitchen knifes and throwing folk off roofs.

Retired generals are appearing on MSM to read the following messages:
-It was an “accident” to leave hundreds of tanks, weapons and helicopters in Afghanistan.
-Russia and China are “celebrating” having a heavily armed, failed state on their borders.

Never trust the MSM. Never trust NATO. Never trust a unionist.

To describe this work of art as a cartoon is demonstrably insulting , unfortunately it is a depiction of the depravity and cruelty humans are capable of inflicting on others without remorse
It has been said many times the lessons history is meant to teach us are never learned

The USA and its UK puppet alongside many other supposedly civilised countries put despotic regimes to shame when it comes to destabilising countries and nations they wrote the book

Your art tells stories Chris ,sometimes stories that tell the truth are repugnant

Thing is, it strikes me that the USA is running out of countries to invade. Maybe that’s why they’re talking about going to the Moon, they don’t have anywhere on Earth left to invade.

David Caledonia says:
28 August, 2021 at 5:03 pm
FFs

Now they’re yapping aboot a fecking cartoon

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What’s wrong grumpy?

You could always go to ‘Behind the Walls’ thread and yap about what books would be good to send Craig/’The Saughton Prison Library’.

Yap? Is that a clue to where you normally do your yapping? Woof!

@ Breeks at 4.03: I too have been noticing the brilliant systems of non-human life all around. Without us messing up the environment they would do just fine.

Turning to useless humans, the Green Party members have failed to help us out of a hole and have voted in favour of the Cosy Corrupt not-a-coalition. I am almost in despair.

So it turns out in a report by a war correspondent with thirty-five years of covering wars in Bosnia, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Libya, Sudan, that twenty-eight Taliban guards helping the US soldiers to search those coming to the airport in Kabul also died in the blast from a suicide bombers vest, which was unusually heavy at twenty-five pounds.

Some of the other Afghans who died after the explosion died from gunfire from US troops says the BBC.

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RoS – I suspect you have some sort of mild pre-condition of OCD re the ‘Great Satan’. Does anyone else in the world refer to them as the ‘Great Satan?’…..other than Iran?

Captain Yossarian.

Consecutive US administrations or the Great Satan as I like to refer to them, are responsible via their foreign policies, for much of the wars civil, or other, that are going on, and have gone on around the world today or in the past.

Infact America has no allies only hostages, as Australia found out, now it economy is flagging because its the tip of the Great Satan’s spear in the economic war on China.

Now the question is what does this all mean for Australia?” Mearsheimer said. “Well, you’re in a quandary for sure. Everybody knows what the quandary is. And by the way you’re not the only country in East Asia that’s in this quandary. You trade a lot with China, and that trade is very important for your prosperity, no question about that. Security-wise you really want to go with us. It makes just a lot more sense, right? And you understand that security is more important than prosperity, because if you don’t survive, you’re not gonna prosper.”

“Now some people say there’s an alternative: you can go with China,” said Mearsheimer. “Right you have a choice here: you can go with China rather the United States. There’s two things I’ll say about that. Number one, if you go with China you want to understand you are our enemy. You are then deciding to become an enemy of the United States. Because again, we’re talking about an intense security competition.”

“You’re either with us or against us,” he continued. “And if you’re trading extensively with China, and you’re friendly with China, you’re undermining the United States in this security competition. You’re feeding the beast, from our perspective. And that is not going to make us happy. And when we are not happy you do not want to underestimate how nasty we can be. Just ask Fidel Castro.”

Mr Jack and Co might want to take a moment to reflect on how Westminster treats its supporters and place men in Afghanistan

Old Arab saying better to be the the Englishman’s enemy than his friend. If you his enemy he will try and buy you if your his friend he will sell you

I wonder how quickly Westminster will drop Jack and Dross

Should unionists be barred from office in an Indy Scotland to stop them acting in England’s interest

‘I’m not in the US, so might well be reading things quite wrongly, but some of the testimony from Whitehouse Security and Police was powerful stuff, and the assault was seen by some as a failed coup. I think the US, post Trump, is trying to get the genie back in the bottle and harbour a bit more tolerance and moderation.’

I would advise you get your head out of MSM or silicon valley. Whichever it is that’s got you this uninformed.

Since Scotland’s justice is flexible (and failing), and fairness is in short supply, using ‘dirty’ tactics could be forgiven.

Scotland’s Shame!

Just a list, no explanations required.

Only a bit of fun.
Make it so.

@Hatuey – I’ve worked with many, many Indians and they have no problem with anyone from these shores. You’re right, the focus nearly always does switch to railways and bridges, but that focus is shifted there by the Indians themselves, not by us.

Clegg = Daily Record ne pas?
Via his girlfriend?

The whole thing stinks.

You can’t be a racist because you have black friends, yosser, is that the idea? And we will just need to take your word for it.

Got it.

The problem, of course, is that it wouldn’t matter if the whole of India was best friends and agreed with everything you said about British India.

Because none of that would change the fact that the average life expectancy of an Indian in 1905 was about 19 years old. None of it would alter the fact that India accounted for about 35% of world economic output in 1700 when the British arrived, and about 2% of global GDP when they left.

As for India’s railways, they were put in place for two principal reasons; 1) to make it easier to get the booty out, and 2) to facilitate moving troops around and putting down rebellions. On those terms, yes, it was a huge success.

Some halfwit earlier accused me of having a flimsy understanding of history and economics. I sincerely wish that was the case.

sarah says:
28 August, 2021 at 9:15 pm
one might be duped into accepting this version of events.

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Well I suppose you could if you believe every bit of garbage written by folk like David Clegg.

I read the article and immediately thought it was a complete load of rubbish & not worth discussing.

But hey if it’s being discussed I’ll join in.

The other thing I found laughable was Nicola Sturgeon being described as a feminist. What a joke!

sarah says:
28 August, 2021 at 9:48 pm
O?T: Books for Craig Murray. Does anyone e.g. Ruby know if we can now send books from any source e.g. secondhand book shop to Craig or must it still be via Amazon, Blackwells, Waterstones?

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Sorry I don’t know that Sarah.

There seems to be a shortage of info re sending books.
Isn’t it the case that we are now sending books to the prison library rather than directly to Craig.

We need some proper advice. Properly would be best coming from the prison librarian. It might be possible to contact him/her directly.

“All fine,” she replied. “He’s a pig, but he’s not an angry pig today. Just a disgusting one.”

It’s not a complaint, it’s an opinion.

‘On the 30th October in the study of Bute House Alex Salmond tied a civil servant to a chair, put the lights out and forced her to watch porn on the telly while he sat master-bating in the chair next to hers.
Is what the manipulative Clegg wants you to infer.

If that had been the story then I might have given some credence to the Albabetties accusations of sexual assault.

The truth is probably that on 30th October in the study of Bute House Alex Salmond asked a civil servant if she would like to watch a film. She agreed and Alex Salmond rearranged to furniture so that they both had a good view of the TV screen, he put the lights out to cut out reflections.

If this civil servant was so ill at ease in Alex Salmond’s company then why wasn’t she deemed unsuitable for the post and transferred?

Mist001 says:
28 August, 2021 at 10:02 pm
“All fine,” she replied. “He’s a pig, but he’s not an angry pig today. Just a disgusting one.”

It’s not a complaint, it’s an opinion.

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It makes you wonder what sort of relationship there was between this civil servant & Michael McElhinney for her to write in such an informal manner & why anyone thought if was appropriate for her to continue in the post.

Could be we are discussing just a load of made up garbage and none of what Clegg has written is anywhere near the truth.

I’ll leave it, yosser. Reality and truth matters, regardless of opinions. If this place stands for anything, it stands for that.

@Hatuey – This site doesn’t stand for the gratuitous condemnation of the English, the Americans or anyone else. Have a look at Scotland at the moment….would you call it a beacon of democracy in Europe, because I wouldn’t. Does any other country in Europe, or the world, jail folk for ‘jigsaw identification?’

There’s a great line in the Amazon blurb for the Clegg book, especially the “access…to the women” part….

“With unrivalled access to both camps and the women who made the allegations, and with rigorously fair-minded reporting, journalists David Clegg and Kieran Andrews go behind the headlines to uncover the truth”

Yossarian: “This site doesn’t stand for the gratuitous condemnation of the English, the Americans or anyone else…”

I agree. And nothing I said was gratuitous.

Most British Unionists, like you, are apologists when it comes to these things.

The British Empire was fundamentally rancid and disgusting. None of its relatively trivial redeeming features come close to cancelling out its rancid and disgusting fundamentals.

And nothing is excused by the fact that there were other bad people in the world who were also doing bad things — crime as we define it today would cease to exist if that were the case.

OT

Just discovered a mini workaround for the new Twitter.

When you click on a link, and it opens their log-in page, but kicks you back to where you were so you can’t follow links… Instead of clicking / closing the log in menu, ignore it, but right click and copy the web page address at the top, open a new page, and paste the link. The page you want then opens behind another log in page, but stays open when you close the box.

Maybe this isn’t news and everybody does it already, but I didn’t know.

How can they get away with writing salacious shite ?

It looks as though juries are now never to be believed or used – just someone’s opinion will do.

It is quite extraordinary the fear and hatred the Establishment has for Alex Salmond, and the extent to which it will sell out it’s integrity, cheat, lie and smear, just to bring him down.

It troubled me at first, can’t lie, I thought it was hurting us, but the more ALBA is ostracised and kept out of the equation, the stronger ALBA gets, and better still, it’s growing it’s strength outside the sandbox of Vichy Scottish Government and it’s pet UK Media. I like the potent mix of a “rebel” ALBA Party and a Sovereign Scottish Constitution, and a UK General Election which can be treated as a Plebiscite Election.

The SNP and Media are making ALBA out to be rebels and non-conformist “outsiders”, and I actually think that will come to suit ALBA just fine, and cometh the hour, it will be Holyrood which finds itself out in the cold and impotent.

I’m not complacent, not at all, but it feels like we have a dog in the race again, and I haven’t felt that since 2014. Better still, this dog will I think bite, and it won’t be so easily muzzled.

Dan says:
29 August, 2021 at 9:47 am
@ Dorothy Devine

With regard to you asking:

“How can they get away with writing salacious shite ?”

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It’s a money maker and people absolutely love ‘salacious shite’

The Clegg book could end up being a good read if you want to learn more about the people involved.

I won’t pay £20 for it so I’m hoping some kind person will ‘share’.

Looking forward to learning much more about the Alphabetties & people like Michael McElhinney.

I wonder if Clegg has employed a team of lawyers to ‘legal his work’ or the fact that he is a ‘MSM journalist’ he is exempt from all that legal stuff.

The first casualty of colonialism is the coloniser’s right to complain when foreigners arrive on their home-shores. That right is left stone dead and entombed; and the curse of shameful hypocrisy awaits anyone who opens the sarcophagus.

Scotland and Scottish people played unforgivable and unforgettable parts in the biggest imperialist project that the world has ever seen. Many eagerly took part, some more reluctantly.

If Scottish people today aren’t willing to accept that, if they aren’t willing to take responsibility for it, then they lose the right to claim they are Scottish.

That’s the thing about nations and nationhood, isn’t it… they’re more or less immortal. And the guilt is immortal too.

If you go around the world today waving your flags and talking about your nation’s proud history, don’t be surprised if one or two people remind you of these things. That’s how it works.

Ruby @ 10:07

“I believe we are being oppressed by confusing language.”

Certainly agree with you there.

On the matter of colonialism and racism, according to Prof Edward Said: “what was done in Ireland was also done in Bengal or, by the French in Algeria”. And, in the context of Ireland “The idea of English racial superiority became ingrained”. Which in turn led to the desire for independence.

Frantz Fanon and Aime Cesaire expressed interest in the notion that some Europeans considered racism to be mainly colour oriented, pointing to Hitler…

Thanks Hatuey, for fitting perfectly into what I just described.

And doing it with such a display of twisted logic and on-the-spot Hatuey principles. lol

Does anyone else agree with Hatuey’s 11:00 post?

Captain Yossarian says:
28 August, 2021 at 9:38 am

With today’s cartoon and yesterday’s article on Craig Murray, it shows that, even in retirement, WoS beats most of the newspapers.

The problem in Afghanistan now is that no-one knows whether there have been 10,000 hostages left behind or 20,000?

Firstly, thanks for this excellent cartoon Chris, it will take me some time to decipher its intricate details.

Its very easy to sound different to the wider MSM, Captain Y., because their editors are not happy without covering other newspapers stories, ad nauseum, hence they all sound the same and are populated by the MI groomed scribblers who would never jeopardise their lifestyle/income for daring to cover a story which Craig, Julian Assange and or WoS would report about.
Lord Dannant this morning on Radio 4 mused that ‘we can not have a proper relationship with the Taliban if they commit Human rights abuses’.
Well me ol doddery Lordy, you should relax, retire from being an armchair general, because you said no such thing whilst we armed the head choppers of Saudi Arabia who used them in Yemen and dictatorial Bahrain for the last few decades. You are being used to apologize our own inability to be coherent and diplomatic.

If we have a real interest in the future of our relationship with Afghanistan we would offer them support, financially and practically. After yesterdays announcement of an amnesty to all who fought and or served the oppressing powers of a now redundant NATO contingent, the nastiness in the MSM/BBC regurgitating 20 year old stories of a Taliban should stop.
After all it was the CIA and our all knowing Intelligence bods who created it with the help of the good neighborly ISI in madrassas in Pakistan.

Missing Craig, he would have known so much more on this war on terror fiasco, which increased poverty by 62% and increased the opium supply globally back to 84%, after the Taliban banned it at the turn of the Millennium.

Thanks Breeks @7:52am.

That has been giving me the sh1ts! This worked so I can see twitter threads without signing up.

OT re twitter preventing thread display, deleting twitter cookies gives access as before until the pop up is triggered again.

Apologies for double posting, missed the space in my name.

Through a Scottish Prism just finished… quite a good one, but then most of them are.

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Keep watching right to the end… 😉

Your essential weekend reading:

‘A Strategy for Independence’: link to wp.me

“I have nothing to feel ashamed about…”

You should be ashamed that you’re not ashamed, ad infinutum.

You’re struggling with this but that’s to be expected.

Heavy is the nationalist crown…

So Sturgeon briefed John Swinney that he should take over as FM if she “had” been found to have broken the Ministerial Code (she did) after the Holyrood and Hamilton inquiries.

There was chicanery afoot, with redactions of documents requested, not producing document and documents produced after they were needed (ie after the inquiries had concluded). There was the multitude of forgetfulness from Sturgeon, such as I don’t know, and not to the best of my knowledge, the stuffing of the Holyrood inquiry with SNP MSP’s, the obfuscation from John Swinney and of course the nefarious roll played in it all by the COPFS and the Lord Advocate.

Not forgetting Sturgeon’s proposed successor John Swinney surviving his second VONC, aided and abetted by the Greens, who now have two ministerial positions.

This lot could teach the Biden’s or Putin’s or the Merkel’s or Macron’s a thing or two about political skullduggery.

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@ robbo

A proper rave would be more BPMs, #TappsAff, sweat everywhere, and you can’t tell what colour eyes folk have.
That’s jist a bit of lightweight clubbing.

Seeing as it’s in Aberdeen, I think Hector Brocklebank would describe Gove’s efforts as a poor rendition of the “Big Fash Little Fash” dance. 😉

Alf Baird

If the Scottish Cringe is an example of internalised racism, then I find I have to agree with Ruby: “racism” is a word so over-used that it has lost all meaning.

Just like Facism, Fascist, etc. have.

You might just be able to make the case that the English are a different race to the Scots, but I have seen plenty of examples of confident, loud, arrogant Scots invoking the Scottish Cringe from their assumed inferiors.

That looks very much like the class divide in action to me.

If you are trying to say that pushing people about because you are posh, impatient, self-righteous and entitled is racism, then I say bollocks. Individuals push others about because of power differentials. Nations push other nations about for the same reason. The rationalisations come after.

“What do you want the people of Scotland, both as individuals, and as a nation represented by their government, independent or devolved, to do about the appalling and shocking life expectancy of the Indians in 1905?”

Nothing. What gave you the impression I wanted something?

If you’re a jingoistic nationalist, you could take some responsibility for the role of Scots in these things, or at least acknowledge that role, but you don’t need to. The reality and truth exists either way.

By the same token, countries with an imperial history are hypocritical if they block access to immigrants today. The hypocrisy doesn’t go away because the hypocrite refuses to acknowledge things.

David Clegg and Kieran Andrews are really trying a bit too hard using the title: “Break-Up: How Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon Went to War“.

“War”? Really? With all that is going on at the moment in the Middle East? Get a fucking grip and some perspective in your lives ya pair o’ clickbaiting fuds.

I have never used twitter, for the simple reason that any idiot can sign up to these sites and post any old shit as they are not regulated apart from the idiots that create the fecking things
Why anyone would want to read anything from twitter without having to sign up for it amazes me, why would anyone want to read some idiots twittering nonesense without being signed up to it, seems being a twit is not just about signing up to twitter and the twitterites utterings, its just being a useless twit in general

Not having a clue is not the problem, its the jokers that pretend they do have a clue that get on my tits

Dan@10.48

Thanks for archiving 2018’s contributions. I make no apology for copying and pasting my own contribution from the days when this site actually contained real Scottish sovereign supporters’ contributions.

Lochside says:
14 November, 2018 at 3:34 pm
The English have ruled the Celtic nations for the past three centuries with the velvet glove of an unwritten constitution in their mythical ‘green and pleasant land’ ruled by equally mythical wise patrician leaders . From time to time the iron fist has emerged from the velvet to attempt to crush us and the plebeian English when deigning to show anything less than abject deference.

Since Universal suffrage followed by massive wartime sacrifices and catastrophic emigration, in Scotland at least, we have woken up, and since the turn of this century threatened the Greater English lie hidden under layers of pomp, pretence and political oppression masquerading as a democracy.

Our downright impudence in demonstrating our rejection of their corrupt apparatus of government by voting for Independence supporting parties and nearly ending the union in Indyref1 was enough to unleash the barely disguised, but long harboured hatred and disgust for our very existence. Witness, the 2015 GE using the oldest racist stereotype of the greedy, tight Jock, AS picking the pocket of Cameron. The Pavlovian knee jerk avalanche of anti-Scottish rhetoric and downright abuse has never abated since.

From then onwards, ‘they’, the English elite and a significantly large part of their population endorse our diminution politically and even the visibility of our food and drink under florid Union flags on every carton and bottle. We are written out of every historical event of ‘English’ history. Thus the Romans ‘conquered Britain’..no they didn’t; The First War wasn’t that ‘bloody’ ( quote Dan Snow). Really?… 148,000 dead Jocks says otherwise; Dunkirk was a ‘victory’ ( tell that to the Highland Division sacrificed to fight on for days after the evacuation by Churchill the mass murderer).

And now, the final frontier: their racial superiority and bullshit ‘play fair’ philosophy being called out by bloody foreigners!..and worse the ‘Sweaties’ won’t stay in their natural supine place!

Well hubris is long overdue for these ‘imperial masters’, long sustained by celtic resources both human and material. Let them get on with facing the world on their own for once and see how great they really are. It is time for the SNP/SG to call time on the unequal abusive Union we have had to labour under, restate our democratic right to remain in the EU and Dissolve the UK Union now!’/////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Well, times have moved on: we are out of Europe. But in other ways we have gone back in reverse with Sturgeon and her imperial ‘sleepers’ now fully WOKEn and in poisonous ascendance over us. However, with real political consciousness being informed and based on solid alternatives to pointless useless ‘/referenda and S30 begging bowl approaches being put forward by Prof. Baird’s erudite book and articles from ‘Doun-Hauden’ ( The socio-political determinants of Scottish Independence) we now have a clear path out of this nightmare of colonial rule by tra*tors and qui*lings hiding in plain sight in the SNP leadership.Let’s seize this blueprint forward out of the political paralysis we are mired in!

Can someone explain to me why the ‘Contempt of Court Act’ still applies even though all charges have been dropped in relation to the incident involving Sturgeon’s sister and the other party?

Mist001 says:
29 August, 2021 at 8:32 pm
There’s an awfy lot of racist shite coming to the fore on this board these days. None of you have the first clue about ‘colonisation’ or what you’re actually saying.

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Are you an expert of ‘colonisation’ Misto?

Can you define what you mean by ‘racist shite’?

As I explained earlier I don’t know what the word actually means.

Your expert help would be appreciated.

Andy Ellis @ 9:07 pm

“little Scotlanderism”

Still searching for your national identity, Andy? Let us know when you find it. A clue may be parental descent according to the ECHR, and James Kelman.

Andy Ellis @ 10:10 pm

“Never had any problem with my national identity”

What is it then? Its not a difficult question. Tak yer time…..

@ Ruby

Nope, but I can spot racism a fucking mile off. These people are talking about the ‘colonisation’ of Scotland and they’re specifically meaning English people going to live and who are living in Scotland, right?

So, what’s the ratio of English people to Scottish people in Scotland? Now, don’t ask me because I have no idea BUT…

There are many different races, creeds and colour who have made Scotland their home so if these people talking about ‘colonisation’ of Scotland don’t mean the English, then who exactly are they talking about? The Pakistani guys who run the shops? The Chinese people who run the takeaways? The African students studying tropical vet medicine at The Bush?

Or is everybody who isn’t Scottish ‘blood and soil’ a part of the colonisation of Scotland?

These people talking about the ‘colonisation’ of Scotland are fucking loons, paranoid racists, one and all and if I see racism, I’m going to call it out.

Maybe you should do that too.

Mist001 @ 10:45 pm

“I can spot racism a fucking mile off”

So I expect you will know that colonialism is racism:

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Everything’s complicated.

When I hear people in the Indy movement talking about what great inventors the Scots were, what great warriors, what great minds the country produced, steam engines, The Wealth of Nations, Walter Scott, etc., I can’t help but think they are idolising the very sort of Scots who got the country into this Unionist mess.

We are a schizophrenic country. Naomi Klein in one of her books, I forget which one, talked about how abuse can cause such problems in people. Maybe it’s the same for countries.

It does no good to pretend Scotland was straightforwardly a coloniser or that it was colonised. It was obviously both. Some people supported the Union, some opposed it.

These sort of things are only antagonisms if you are dishonest about them and want to indulge in simple ideas — Scotland the victim, Scotland the brave, Scotland the country of great inventors, Scotland the exceptional, etc.

You don’t need any of those lies to win independence. The truth is much more interesting and it’s easier to explain; the interests of the people of Scotland will be better served if they run their own affairs.

Mist001 @ 10:54 pm

“Is Scotland still a part of the United Kingdom, or have I missed something along the way?”

Yes you have missed something – its called ‘Internal Colonialism’ which as Professor Michael Hechter explains:

“As a consequence of this hierarchical arrangement: ‘Internal structural differences between the Celtic periphery and England are reminiscent… of less developed societies, which arose as a function of their colonial mode of development’. Development occurred in a largely dependent mode… and special diffusion of industrialisation in the Celtic lands was considerably restricted… and excessively specialized. The persistence of systemic disadvantages…from policies discriminating against the Celtic periphery.. has been described as institutionalized racism’. And in this the inevitable exploitative nature of colonialism becomes evident in that: ‘The situation of the Celtic fringe in the British Isles is analogous in several respects to that of less developed countries’. And let us not forget what lies at the root of colonialism, namely: ‘When long-term differences in aggregate rates of development are the result of ethnic stereotypes, it is appropriate to speak of institutional racism’.

Andy Ellis @ 10:10 pm

Did you discover your national identity, then?

After midnight so sinders has lost her nice composure

Roll up Roll up Roll up

Step this way for your 6 monthly top up of the blood clot inducing magic serum that offers absolutely NO protection and won’t stop transmission of the Biological Weapon that some clever pathological lunatics have developed as a means of reducing the population of the planet.

Yes its official the CDC in the USA are following Israel as usual because after all they run the USA they now recommend a 6 MONTHLY gap between booster shots . Maybe because they haven’t fulfilled their quota and haven’t damaged enough yet

To change the tack a little I was in my local Morrison supermarket and have never seen so many empty shelf’s. Fruit and veg, meats, beers, some spirits, and very particularly wine, soft drinks, bottled water, batteries.

Shortages of food are now very apparent, the economic impacts must be huge, and taken together with the quite separate rout from Afghanistan a humbled Britain couldn’t be more obvious. Empty shops, industry shortages, and a military routed like Suez or the Fall of Singapore, the flush down the toilet couldn’t be clearer.

And BoJo, our belligerent British Buffoon in respect of the routed military that the “ sacrifice and hardship was not in vain “. Stirring stuff indeed for the families of the hundreds of servicemen who lost their lives and the many more left horrendously disfigured, our leader certainly knows how to trot out the Brit tropes like you change your underpants. Crikey one of his ministers less than twelve months ago was crowing with Britannic pride as to how the Royal Navy was projection of Britannic Lethal Force around the world.

Doesn’t quite square with a country that can’t supply its supermarkets or a country with it’s military absolutely routed on the World stage.

Ah well, what can one say. Even the big yellow bus that was to be bringing hundreds of millions of pounds of post Brexit NHS money every week, has sunk without ever having arrived. But that’s another story as the queues to see a doctor build

So ,good evening to all. Maybe, we in Scotland shall rout the British from our land too.

Mist001 says:
29 August, 2021 at 10:45 pm
@ Ruby

Nope, but I can spot racism a fucking mile off

if I see racism, I’m going to call it out.

Maybe you should do that too.

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Weird that you can’t explain what you mean by racism!

It’s going to be pretty difficult for me to call it out when I don’t know what racism is.

Could it be as simply as just not liking someone. For example if I were to criticise Humza Yousaf would he immediately jump to the conclusion that I was a racist. Same applies to some arrogant English tosser would any criticism be deemed ‘racist’?

What about having to pay for tomato sauce in Edinburgh while brown sauce is free. Anti-Glasgow racism?

link to archive.is

Mist001 says:
29 August, 2021 at 10:45 pm
@ Ruby

Nope, but I can spot racism a fucking mile off.

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What’s the situation in Marseilles re racism?

Still a lot of anti German anti Algerian racism?

Not too certain what caused the anti Algerian racism but it’s not hard to figure out why after the occupation people were anti-German.

There is always a reason why people become ‘racist’

The problem is politicians don’t want to listen to people they prefer to call them names and introduce laws to control them. It started with the PC brigade and now we have the Hate Crime Bill.

@Alf Baird 10.10 pm & 11.40 pm

I’m Scottish Alf, never regarded myself as anything else wherever I lived and worked. Even if I’d never come back to Scotland I’d always have supported independence and expected to have a Scottish passport when my country summoned up the courage to become independent.

My national identity and my “legal” citizenship however are two different things. Until the majority of Scots have the political and moral courage to vote for independence, as far as the rest of the world is concerned we are British.

Self identifying as Scottish and correcting people if they call us British or English rather than Scottish may make us feel better, but it doesn’t really signify anything to them other than pretensions that aren’t backed up by action. Granted we may have a more realistic shot at actually becoming independent than Bavarians, Bretons or Californians, but the outside world and the international community only cares when we have the bottle to take not ask.