No cry of “Pish!” rang out
It’s really very hard to overstate what mendacious, duplicitous shite this is.
It did its job, though. As expected, the SNP conference comprehensively voted down the rebel amendments to Swinney’s motion on independence “strategy” and backed his grand plan of winning a majority, begging Keir Starmer for a second referendum – just like Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousaf had done before him with Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak – and then scuttling obediently away with his tail between his legs when Starmer told him to get lost.
(At one point he even boasted that he had a brilliant secret plan that he wasn’t going to tell anyone about, making us almost nostalgic for when Sturgeon used to say the same thing and some people actually believed her.)
One bit of the speech did catch our attention, though.
“We will only become a member of the European Union if we have an agreed process that delivers Scottish independence with consent. And the problem with amendments A and B is that these are […] not agreed processes. Nobody else has consented to them. Nobody else has said we’ll accept the outcome of the results of amendment A or B if they happen.”
While he didn’t have the courage to say it, there is only one entity to whose “consent” Swinney is referring there: the UK government.
Now, as a proposition it’s total nonsense anyway. The point of the amendments was to achieve a direct mandate for independence via a majority of votes in an election, and use that to demand that the UK negotiate. So in theory that consent WOULD exist, because the UK government – perhaps under international pressure to respect the UN Charter on self-determination – would have to concede under such circumstances.
(It’s even more nonsensical because Swinney specifically said it in the context of Scotland applying to join the EU. For that application to happen at all we’d have to have already been recognised as an independent nation, which by definition would have to include by the remnant UK.)
Whether that would happen in reality can of course be debated, but that’s certainly the point of the proposal – that a majority of votes for independence would force London to the table. Swinney was lying about the foundational point of the amendments.
He then endorsed a load of absolute drivel that had been spouted in the debate by a supposed lawyer who we can only assume was in a coma when the Supreme Court delivered its verdict on the ability to call a referendum, and then said this:
“I am totally and utterly devoted to winning Scottish independence. I believe in the sovereignty of the Scottish people.”
Well, no. Quite clearly you don’t. Because if the Scottish people are sovereign then they do not require the permission of the UK government for anything. You have to pick one or the other. You cannot believe both things.
That Swinney felt comfortable enough to spoonfeed such a blatantly, grossly obvious and insulting lie to his audience was proof, were it needed, that the only people who haven’t left the SNP yet are those lacking the intelligence to tie their own shoelaces or find their way out of a small garden shed with the door open.
In rejecting the amendments – including, explicitly, one that said votes for other pro-indy parties should count as votes for independence – they indisputably chose party over country, and being in office over even the slightest chance of independence.
They have every right to do that, of course, just not to still call themselves a party of independence after doing so. They’re a party of devolution, and therefore of the Union.
We’ve just about run out of ways to get people to see that. But on today’s evidence, the scariest prospect is that SNP members HAVE seen it, and they like it fine.
Swinney is an absolute dick.
If I hadn’t already walked out, I would’ve here. So should anyone still left in the SNP that actually wants independence.
Over half a decade of trying to “fix it from within” has only resulted in the Devolutionists becoming more & more entrenched. The only thing that will change is mass exodus & ultimately replacement.
Yes, that will take time. Which is why we should’ve started a lot longer ago.
The European Union is effectively history….as are the dreaming old men of the so called «National party».
The page of history has turned…these people seem unaware.
John Swinney said that the people of Scotland are sovereign,then why does he want to hand over all power to the
EU (fourth reich).And as I have stated before abolish the UK supreme court if it opposes the right of the Scottish Parliament to hold an independence referdum.
On the subject of legal advice will be ignore it if he doesn’t agree like the needless abolition of not proven.
The comment on this article said he had a brilliant secret plan reminded me of Baldrick.
Watch out, or someone will start bleating: “B-but we wurr pure dragged oot o’ that EU… ah-GAINST oor WILL!”
Alba are disintegrating
SNP? See article
Who do Scots cast their two votes for in May next year?
(A: Reform, both)
I’m not telling you who to vote for, but I have no intention of given the SNP any of my votes i’ll vote for a party who can oust the SNP from Government.
I will be spoiling ballot 1 and voting alba 2.
This all has the feel of a puppet show fight, but behind it all you have to think seriously: is 2026 really it? I’m afraid you can’t expect the Scottish electorate to accept that every election has to be fought on the issue of independence, because independence is such a significant issue it would necessarily sit above all others and rightly dominate debates and discussion at the expense of other issues. I don’t think it’s remotely realistic to accept every election from now until the end of time is fought on one single issue, at the expense of the kind of scrutiny expected over other key policy issues like health, education, transport etc. I think therefore the cause of independence has to strike whilst it’s at its strongest, with a track record in government, backed by popular competent and capable politicians with widespread support in business, civil society and academia. None of those things are true in the run up to 2026.
Otherwise there’s always a risk that unionists will call the SNP’s bluff in 2026 and I expect a loss on a holyrood campaign fought on independence then would kill the campaign stone dead.
“Otherwise there’s always a risk that unionists will call the SNP’s bluff in 2026”
Not a chance – they didn’t do it back when Wendy Alexander tried to “bring it on” back in the day, they sure as hell won’t do it with support for independence much higher than it was then.
@YL – You’re not necessarily wrong about the general decline in the standard of politicians over the last 15+ years in particular. However, if you think that’s permanent and terminal then we may as well all go home as organised political parties are the only way that major political change is going to be delivered, unless you’re proposing the overthrow of parliamentary democracy in Scotland.
I’m afraid I don’t think low turnout will do it either, unless turnout gets to very low levels (e.g. 20% in national elections) potentially combined with other forms of civil disobedience or protest. I’ve been in too many discussions where politicians handwring about this stuff and talk about outreach and educating the public but ultimately low(ish) turnout (40/50%) means fewer doors to knock on to stay on the gravy. I just don’t see that the types who the Rev has covered at lengths here would have a moment of conscientiousness and decide to resign.
Russel Findlay isn’t a bad leader but he’s a Tory (which means no chance in Scotland) and the Tories are about as popular as Ebola across the U.K. Other than that, the general low quality, low-energy politicians are a ripe opportunity for a party that isn’t like that. The job would be 10x harder if opposed by a crop of charismatic, energetic well-loved successful unionist politicians wouldn’t it.
The Liberate Scotland thing is a dead end and we all know it. As an organisation it has the outward feel of the pensioners Scientology movement, obsessed with long settled history at the exclusion of everything else aside from the myriad of “cunning plans” normally based on hopeless legal theories which have already been comprehensively rejected in court. The fact that Alf managed to use the word Scotland in a speak to C24 about the Kanak people isn’t a victory, approaches have been made in various guises to the UN for over 80 years and no interest has ever been shown by anyone at that point. With international law in its most fragile state since 1945 now is certainly not the moment the UN is going to start to recognise a myriad of independence movements in western democratic states.
All it does is consume time and energy.
But, but … the UN, Aidan.
Aren’t you supposed to be shitting yourself that any day now, Chairman Murray will be flying into Edinburgh bearing our freedom?
Maybe you concur with Rev Stu who believes there will be nothing happening on Indy this decade!
He makes that claim regularly and persuasively, yet most of his faithful disciples just forge blithely on, forever announcing that Indy is just around the next corner.
Aidan @ 6.05
A better post from you than usual but still naively short of the mark.
Something you miss is the general malaise creeping in with the publics view of most if not all political parties here.
Overpaid under talented amateurs lacking experience and now apparently in staying power and public duty basic standards.
The Tories are in terminal free fall, Labour now seen for what the political Chameleons that they are, the Lib Dem’s remain the choice of superannuated chattering middle classes pursuing the “what’s in it for me agenda” only.
Reforms going nowhere here; we’ve been force fed these Farage scare stories by the media for far too long across several incarnations/ parties and policies not to see what a failure they have been and the fluff surrounding them decided in the main by voters south of the border in another country or their seedling blow-ins now in the Celtic fringe countries/ glorified regions making “everywhere England” by rooting themselves in like Japanese knot-weed!
The Greens are out and out deviants, the SNP allowed themselves to be chopped off at the ankles by becoming their enablers.
Sadly Alba appears to be imploding.
Are there any of the current crop of politicians worth listening to never mind voting for?
Not really.
Unless there are genuine Independent candidates for independence then low voter turnout should be the way forward to register our disapproval with the lot of them, they are after all basically mirror images of each other.
Big Ecks gone, Provost Swinney – devoid of personality, drive, policy or charisma now sits in his place.
What are the alternatives though?
Sarwar?
Findlay?
Ale and Coleslaw Ham Sandwich (who doesn’t even believe Scotland is a country!!)
Beaker Queer (hahahahahaha!!)
Nah.
Politics is sliding back into the void of vote for who youve always voted for voter disengagement suicide of yesteryear.
What a middle class mess they have ALL got the country into; like the 2 Ronnies (with John Cleese) “I look up to him but look down on him” classic comedy sketch.
What a mess SHE whose name shall not be uttered has left the place in.
Don’t get me wrong; the Westminster Unionist Parties branch offices here have always been a joke but SHE sure has sunk the best chance of independence down to and arguably even below their tawdry success rates.
Just going to the polls and fulfilling your democratic duty doesn’t cut it anymore when they are merely different shades of the same sH1te not worthy of your cross in the box as endorsement.
Perhaps the UN route might take somewhat more notice if voting abstentions or appropriately messaged spoiled ballot papers grew year upon year to make it clear the current situation and parties are done and past resuscitation..
Well said Young Lochinvar I agree with most of the comment , I however think we have to give the independents of Liberate Scotland a chance , I truly believe they will be better than any of the other politicians and political parties of the gravy trains
Lets be honest what have we got to lose , all of the current incompetents of all the parties have PROVEN their uselessness , I am embarrassed when I see these assorted clowns on television attempting to appear intelligent or relevant
Look at the mayhem they have presided over and I am not just talking about the Scum Nonce Party or their fellow perverts in the greens
11 years of lunacy and incompetence since Salmond mirrored by decades of lunacy and incompetence from all the unionist parties in WM
Irrespective of HR or WM these politicians don’t know everything about everything that is why they rely on EXPERTS in the chosen field , there is nothing stopping independents of Liberate Scotland choosing the relevant EXPERTS
TH @ 1.39
Quite so.
If they’re on the ballot paper then yes.
Problem is Coverage. If they’re on then all well and good, if they aren’t then it’s metaphorical tick box “none of the above”.
The Scots maybneed a guy who says «enough of this blether»….
Dare to think it…but its might need a wayward & scatter gun Donald type.
Let loose the dogs and see where they go.
Out of chaos? just let go you repressed, uptight, buttoned up creatures of Knoxian convention.
TB
No!
Knox was the English/ proto British reformationist tw8t who more than anything else, once sent up by here by Elizabeth Tudor (fact) to sow religious dissent that ultimately led to reformation and gravitating in satellite status towards fellow Protestant England (fact)!
Never!
PS: I was brought up COS so I’m saying this from an educated perspective, not a sectarian one.
There’ll be a better spokesperson out there as yet unknown who will get us there!
In time.
Just none of the tired old brigade or susceptible yoof bombarded with deviancy in school who’ll have the needful to get us up and over the line, I’m certain.
No-one saw William Wallace coming after all and the powder keg of rampant Scottish frustration just needs a touch light once again..
Be sure; the English fear it.
This is man who attended a conference putting the benefit of Scotland in the Union 2050 and fully support it.
He’s really screwed the SNP and Scotland. When I say the SNP I don’t mean the membership they’ve screwed themselves for listening to this man, I mean the party that was founded on 7 April 1934 91 years ago and all the people who made it what it was before 2014.
When I go to the polls and vote its for my vote to count! Yes we have a parliament, but the Scottish people does not have any form of democracy what so ever and Swinney just highlighted it by saying a vote for the SNP is a vote to obtain permission from England to become Independent which if you where born yesterday you’ll never see a vote in your lifetime on Independence, it just won’t happen. How can the people in that hall cheer a man who’s just sold them and Scotland down the river no UKG ever needs to grant permission the SNP under John Swinney has just said until a majority of 65 is obtained and we are given permission from who is ever PM Scotland will never be Independent. What the f*ck was there to cheer about, I bet the National newspaper is highlighting as a sounding success.
I will not vote for the SNP next year I won’t my vote to count so I’ll give my vote to any party who can defeat the SNP. The SNP will not win 65 seats and to be honest there isn’t one person in that hall who can turn around and say I told you so, no you didn’t we told you when Sturgeon was leader and what did you do you ignored us and abused us and the reality is the SNP is the nasty party and it only become the nasty party when Sturgeon took over.
I’m not disappointed how can I be it was all there to see for those of us interested, just watch the bull that comes from Riddock and we ginger dug.
I never watched it I knew what to expect, I should have watched only fools and horses (no box).
Claiming that the Scottish people are sovereign then completely undermines that supposed sovereignty by recognising that a foreign power has a veto and/or sets constraints on that sovereignty is, by definition, an act of treachery.
Which makes John Swinney a ("Tractor" - Ed). Whose action his party membership have just endorsed. Which makes them complicit.
Thanks Ed, “tractor” is a more accurate descriptor.
Au contraire! A tractor is useful for working the land, which helps provide jobs and sustenance to our people. But the parasitic-like drain of most of Scotland’s political class and some of our embedded UK civil servants provide little if any benefit.
Twats on a decent wage preaching NetZero lunacy whilst an energy rich nation like Scotland still imports coal from Columbia because it is cheaper to use to heat our homes than using locally sourced cleaner generated energy.
Or the likes of Scottish Water execs taking the big bonuses and SEPA fining wee companies, whilst they oversee Scotland pumping untreated sewerage into our rivers.
These are not the behaviours and actions of serious folk that actually give a single fuck for the betterment of our country.
“Tractor” isn’t a better descriptor of Swinney. Tractors do a very useful job and show results.
Swinney and Flynn are of more use to marketing shampoo for L’Oréal than they are to the Scottish independence movement.
Tieing Scotland’s return to self-governance to EU membership is bollox because there is no mandate to push such an agenda as the EU has morphed into a different animal since the UK left, and there is no information and details on the type of deal Scotland would have when becoming a new EU member state.
It’s all water under the bridge now, but if SNP had been serious about returning Scotland to self-governing status and EU membership, then they could have made much more out of “Brexit” as the EU had protocols in place for dissolution of a member state.
“ROADMAP FOR SUCCESSION IN EUROPEAN UNION MEMBERSHIP IN THE CASE OF MEMBER STATE’S SECESSION OR DISSOLUTION
Declaration of independence from a state arising from a member state’s secession or dissolution following a democratic process.
Notification of succession, from a European Union member state by the state emerging from a member state’s secession or dissolution. This act would notify of the new situation as well as the new state’s wish to succeed the predecessor state as a European Union member as a new state complying with the principles and conditions required for being a Union member with a model of market economy and required administrative capacity. The new state would commit the in accepting the entire flow of the European Union, and would want to immediately initiate the process of adaptation intended to ensure that European Union law is brought into line with the new situation, together with the commitment to adopt all acts that allow it to fulfil all the international obligations assumed by states as European Union members.
Act adopted by the European Union to recognise a new state’s succession arising from the secession or dissolution of another European Union member state as a Union member. This would mean the recognition of the predecessor state, if it should continue to exist and of the successor state(s) as members of the European Union and would have to contain the initial provision needed to guarantee the operation of the Union.
Establishment of the transitory arrangement:
— Application of the principle of continuity in acts not requiring changes
or amendment to the acts of secondary law to enable:
— The continuity of uniform application of the material provisions of the
European Union’s legal system throughout the new state’s territory.“
Swinney concluded: “Nobody knows the tactics I’m going to deploy if we get 65 seats in the Scottish Parliament, so keep watching.”
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Maybe if he told members his devious cunning plan then they would support him more?
Agentx, I’m sat here laughing my head off, I’d just love to know what Alex would have said once he heard that “Nobody knows the tactics I’m going to deploy if we get 65 seats in the Scottish Parliament, so keep watching.” here a new line for Baldrick.
He’s already in talks with Labour party, you have to ask yourself are these people in that hall SNP members or are they of the street and been paid to come into the hall and vote for his All-Bran plan.
Swinney concluded: “Nobody knows the tactics I’m going to deploy if we get 65 seats in the Scottish Parliament, so keep watching.”
Even Swinney doesn’t know the tactics he is going to deploy.
Other than to keep lying, grifting and continuing to be the utter disgrace that we all know him to be in Scotland.
Swinney at conference said we can’t ever have indy unless the english are okay with it. Sounds fine to me.
Like when gandhi nehru and jinnah said to mountbatten – “you know we dont have to do this if you guys arent cool with it …”
the j3wish s3ttlers in palestine hung british squaddies from trees, then planted landmines underneath them so their rescuers would be killed.
they dressed up as arabs and blew up the king david hotel
killed lord moyne
sent a letter bomb to truman
– BUT THE KILLER FOR THE FORMATION OF THEIR LAND WAS WHEN THEY ASKED THE BRITISH FOR PERMISSION FOR IT TO BE LEGAL, nothing to do with the recognition at the UN, or the US doing so.
every Scot in the land tonight : when you go to bed, get the phone book and phone a random englishman to ask him :
– can I fuck my wife now?
– I am having roast chicken tomorrow, are you fine with that … I CAN DO “HOTPOT” IF YOU INSIST
(BTW anyone who says hanging squaddes is “wrong” is an ANTISEMITIC BASTARD, likely a HOLOCAUST DENIER and needs the ADL to get them debanked )
enrich your wordpower : today – “satraps” and “comprador elites”
govt jobs, like say MSP, enrol you in the civil service pension scheme
– it puts 28% of your salary into your pension
these pensions are not the shite you get in the private sector, with high fees, subject to the random lurching of the stock market – no, these are not “defined contribution”, but “defined benefit”, i.e. rock solid, gold plated. Companies go bust, pension funds go bust – the govt does not go bust.
if “nationalist” politicians put their wages in escrow until after independence, they might have some credibility
the cry of the middle class everywhere in the world
I’VE GOT A GOOD JOB – THE SYSTEM WORKS
The pension thing throughout the UK bugs me. The excuse is supposed to be that a politician may be in and out of government again and again if elected and de elected and they are a special case, you mean like the rest of the population? It must be nice to have a job which is guaranteed for 4-5 years at a time.
You often seem to bang your head against the wall on this and assume it is because the politicians are just after keeping their snouts in the trough.
I subscribe to Hanlon’s razor though: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
I think the current crop of SNP politicians (and, bluntly, the smoking ruins of Alba) are just so blinkered and stupid that they think what they are saying is true.
Scotland is its own worst enemy….comment?
Canny abide liars, happy for the SNP and it’s followers to follow the tried and tested route to failure, but don’t try and scam those who are genuinely invested in the constitutional argument for independence.
I thought the EU had already chased the SNP when they were approached about membership?
And since about 90% of our trade is with the rest of the UK what advantage is there in joining anyway?
Well if you will listen to BBC propaganda you would believe that shite
What’s the true figure, and a source for it? Handy for arguments.
Which bit, the amount of trade or the EU chasing the SG request for talks? As far as I am aware they are both facts?
And again I ask a question that nobody has yet answered.
If there was a new referendum tomorrow does anybody think seriously the yes voters would win?
“90% of our trade is with the rest of the UK”
Because the UK has 100% control over our trade.
The UK has not stopped trading with the EU.
This is simple stuff.
Nobody says Scotland has stopped trading with the EU, just that it is a very small proportion of our trade and always was. The “official” percentage is less than 10%. Rather than simply just deny it and blame WM what percentage do you say is EU trade, before Brexit and now?
Personally I voted to leave and would do again, the common market part I like but they can keep the rest.
@Rob
Sadly for you, all the available evidence is that a super majority of Scots are firmly pro-EU and are very likely to ensure Scotland joins post indy. The EU has precisely zero reason to make it anything but very easy for Scotland to join, if for no other reason than to stick it to the brexiteer spivs in Westminster.
Finland joined the EU in 24 months from ground zero with no previous involvement in the “acquis communitaire”. The minority of Scots who are anti EU (and remember around 30% of pro indy voters are anti-EU) aren’t going to be able to stop that momentum post indy, whatever some of the deluded eurosceptics in here think.
Much the same goes for NATO membership of course, particularly after Sweden and Finland’s decisions to abandon their neutrality and join the alliance. The vatniks and Uncle Vlad fluffers in here are about as representative of the generality of Scottish voters as extreme troons are of real women.
“all the available evidence is that a super majority of Scots are firmly pro-EU”
This is diversionary and misleading so long as the most urgent priority is independence (i.e. decolonisation), not EU membership, plus a large and increasing part of the Scottish vote is opposed to EU membership.
Exactly
It’s like conversing with toddlers
If they were remotely interested, they’d know that every country trying to leave England’s control gets the same tedious nonsense
@Alf 2.18pm
Feel free to show your workings. The last poll I turned up on a cursory Google search was 68% of Scots in favour of joining the EU. There’s nothing diversionary about it: the overwhelming likelihood is that immediately post independence there will be moves to join ASAP, even if EFTA is used as a stop gap.
We know from your obsession with the failed post colonial theory narrative you have issues with distinguishing between popular policies and unpopular ones Alf, but this really isn’t rocket science.
link to believeinscotland.org
Yes “this really isn’t rocket science” – independence first, all other matters can wait until later.
Yes “this really isn’t rocket science” – independence first, all other matters can wait until later.
– how do you expect that to work in an election/referendum campaign when people rightly want to understand how it would impact on the economy, services, relationship with rUK etc.? It sounds like a sure fire strategy to lose.
@ Aidan at 6.22 pm
It really shouldn’t be too difficult to campaign for a plebiscite election.
It is not rocket science to explain to the electorate that all the major powers that control and steered the direction of the economy, energy, health, and immigration policies, are reserved to London Rule; And that over our lifetimes of voting to diverge away from what England voted for has come to nothing due to the 10 to 1 democratic advantage the Kingdom of England has over the Kingdom of Scotland, and this is the reason Scotland has been led into this shit state that is the current UK.
The site owner didn’t seem to think there was any significant issue with an election being campaigned for on a plebiscite basis.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
No I get the plebiscite election idea and it could work (although I wouldn’t say guaranteed), what I don’t think will work is “Indy now, everything else later” as a campaign position. I think it would put Yes in a very difficult position if it wasn’t able to answer questions around a whole host of policy areas (such as the ones I’ve mentioned), whilst No had their ducks in a row.
Figures for 2021 – all I can be ersed to find.
Scotland primarily trades with the Netherlands, the United States, the Republic of Ireland, Germany, and France. In 2021, Scotland’s total exports in goods and services (excluding intra-UK trade) were estimated at £50.1 billion, with sales to the rest of the UK reaching approximately £48.6 billion, accounting for 61% of its total exports.
Wikipedia GOV.UK
Scotland’s Trade Partners
Scotland engages in trade with various countries, both within the UK and internationally. Below is a summary of its key trading partners and the total trade values.
Trade with the UK
Region Total Exports (£ billion) Percentage of Total Exports
Rest of the UK (England, Wales, Northern Ireland) £48.6 billion 61%
International Trade
Top Export Destinations
Country Total Exports (£ billions) Percentage of Total Exports
Netherlands £6.9 billion 20%
USA £4.0 billion 16% (excluding oil and gas)
Republic of Ireland £2.8 billion 5.6%
Germany £2.8 billion 5.6%
France £2.3 billion 4.6%
China £0.8 billion 1.6%
Total Trade Values
Total Exports (including intra-UK trade): Approximately £80 billion in goods and services.
Total International Exports (excluding intra-UK trade): Estimated at £50.1 billion.
SCOTTISH independence is coitus interruptus made manifest….
Polling Organization Date Conducted Support for Independence (%) Opposition to Independence (%)
YouGov September 2025 48 52
Panelbase August 2025 49 51
Savanta ComRes July 2025 47 53
Focaldata June 2025 50 50
Margin o error Plus/minus 3%
John Swinney isn’t just denying us Independence, he and his party are denying us any form of democracy.
If next year you put a x on your ballot paper for the SNP you’d be agreeing to a plan put forward by the SNP to denying for Scotland to ever become a nation again.
Holyrood and the people who work there have become Scotland enemy and for me I’d vote for reform to shut Holyrood down and down for good.
The SNP enters Strictly Come Dancing….the prize Scot.Ind
Just like another referendum.
Who writes the algorithm?
What a collection of…..
Swinney works for Westminster (perhaps that’s why his public persona smells of thug)… and once that is understood then everything he says and everything he does makes absolute sense.
Swinney is the next in line SNP English-owned
First MinisterGovernor-general and Viceroy of the annexed territory, dependency and former nation known as Scotland.What is the Scottish National Party’s prime mission?
To Block Scottish independence using lies and distraction and diversion; to actively impede Scottish independence using whatever means is required at any given time; to trick the Scots into believing the SNP is working on their behalf to end the Treaty of Union and is actively seeking to recover Scotland’s status as an independent sovereign nation state.
And so for the Scots the SNP offers the exact opposite of that which should represent a colonised people’s hope for liberty – a national party that wholly and honestly represents them and tirelessly explores every possible avenue that might lead them to self-governance and independence.
The SNP is a lethal trap. A trap that will kill any chance of Scottish independence stone dead.
A person would have to be a unionist English, a unionist Scottish, or a member of a society that is the direct opposite of MENSA (DENSA, perhaps) – whose admission requires an IQ of minus 150 or lower – to believe the SNP is working towards Scotland’s independence.
sarah says:
11 October, 2025 at 2:45 pm
And I am meant to be doing my tax return…
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Northcode says:
11 October, 2025 at 4:41 pm
I’m growing weary of your excuses, Sarah.
It’s time you made an effort and contributed some little thing at least to help us Scots in our struggle to free our people from the chains of English imperial oppression.
Day after day after day you give it “I’m doing my tax returns.” or “I’m washing my hair today.” or “Its pedicure day.” or “I’m having lunch with the FM.” or “I’m giving a lecture on the benefits of the Union at the John Smith Centre.” or “I’m in London for dinner and drinks with Charles and Camilla.” and on and on it goes.
Frankly, Sarah, I’m beginning to question your commitment to the cause of Scottish independence.
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I have just noticed this from earlier today.
What a nasty vindictive post from Northcode to someone who I have only seen posting positive thing for Independence – not stupid poems or strange languages that no -one is bothered about.
I think that Northcode is joking, agentx!
I’m glad you took it that way. I didn’t.
They know, and knew, I was joking, Sarah. And anyway, I’m sure you would have put me in my place and teken me down a peg or two if you had thought I was being serious.
It must be a great comfort knowing that gallant colonialists (unionists if preferred… same thing) will rush to defend your honour – but not your right to self-governance – should a fellow independence supporter attempt to give you cheek.
You’re either at it or are extremely extremely thick – I’m going for both with an emphasis on thick and with a dash of nasty thrown in the mix for good measure.
I’m sure Sarah knows my sense of humour by now and that my comment is- very very very obviously – a joke, as do you, I suspect (you can’t be so thick as to think I was being serious, surely… although one never knows when dealing with colonialists)
You’re the nasty vindictive one in this case – using Sarah to try and score a pathetic point against me.
Sarah: Just on the off-chance you did take me seriously you should know that I was joking and I have every respect for the great work you do and for the huge effort you put into working towards Scottish independence. If I have inadvertently offended you in any way I apologise most profusely and welcome this opportunity to sincerely do so.
I’m going to have to stick up for Northcode on this one . .
Thanks, Northcode – but please don’t fall out with agentx. We’ve got enough trouble as it is – I am tearing my hair out over the difficulty of getting decent SNP members to see what is so obvious to the rest of us.
Thanks, Aiden. We are at loggerheads on occasion, but I appreciate your words of support.
Fair enough, Sarah. I’ll back off.
@ Sarah 9.16pm please don’t be fooled by AgentX he is a devoted yoonionist who relishes denigrating anyone who supports independence , he and the other Scotland HATERS are multiplying because they know we won’t give in
I don’t know if Swinney is aware but he’s specifically stated the only route to becoming Independent is via a Holyrood election, hasn’t he just shot the SNP in the head when it comes to a Westminster election.
100% Yes @ 8.25
Well spotted!
Answer;
because WM first past the post has lots of precedence of attracting overwhelming majorities while HE/ Regional Administration for Certain Devolved Powers has been completely hobbled with the DHondt system as good as designed to prevent the very majorities Provost Swinney is basing his strategy/ cunning plan on as near impossible.
The 2011 election result was seen at the time as absolutely shocking as it breached the weighted designed-in Union Jack ceiling and surely in the upheaval that is politics must be seen almost akin to a meteorological once in a hundred years torrential rain storm event no matter which party gains it.
HE is not a parliament as was the Scots parliament of 1706.
It’s Unionisms git, a mirage to blind the Jockonese into thinking they have – wait for it- “the best of both worlds “!!
Remember that little Better Together battle cry?
They’ve gone strangely silent on that one since eh..
No, like it or loathe it, Westminster will only listen if it comes from within, from the likes of The Donald and just perhaps from the international community.
Westminster elections, our MPs to get off their backsides and start planning, working, engendering some hope that the political route does still actually have a working steering wheel while Salvo/ Liberate et al work on the international front as HE just can’t really be bothered by all appearances.
Otherwise we are stuffed and going down with the world beating sinking ship of the UK as crap like Provost Swinneys eulogy above really cements the death of voter engagement ground down bit by bit since 2014.
Oh look, for the benefit of the milk monitors here it’s almost 4am: look there’s a squirrel..
D8mmed spellchecker!
HE obviously should read HR.
Apols.
As seen with the protests down in London last week, with the threat of arrest it was only attended by a coup a couple of hundred of the terminally stupid, where the sane rest stayed away.
The same thing is going to happen to the SNP next year where they are only going to get votes from their terminally stupid. Will there be enough of these SNP terminally stupid to turn out in next years Holyrood election to stop Reform UK from getting a lot of seats?
SNP again putting party before country. Independence kicked well and truly into the long grass. No wonder SNP politicians are called Devo-Nats.
People on here talk as if killing Independence is the only thing John Swinney has done, well news flash he’s Killed Scotland as a country. Scotland is the only country sorry county in the world who’s people get paid in monopoly money every week or month and is the only UK county with no democracy, Wales has it Northern Ireland has it so does England but after today Scotland certainly doesn’t have any form democracy whats so ever thanks to the SNP, their membership and dumb individuals who insist in going out and buying the Rag newspaper that has ZERO interest in restoring Scotland as a nation.
You only have to go onto the national and read what these so called Indy supporters say about people or other party’s who are actively trying to achieve Independence you’d honestly belive you were read the Express or the telegraph newspaper I spent 33 years in the SNP before I left in 2015 and we never spoke about another Indy supporting way these commenting in the RAG do and I call it a rag because that what it is.
When this ("Tractor" - Ed) says “I am totally and utterly devoted to winning Scottish independence. I believe in the sovereignty of the Scottish people.” he’s taken the piss or “Nobody knows the tactics I’m going to deploy if we get 65 seats in the Scottish Parliament, so keep watching.” he’s rubbing our noses in shit.
Its an obvious question from what we now know from today’s events that Scotland is still going to be in the union well beyond 2031. So I have to ask if Wings has got any plans to shut the site down? Because I would presume your not going to continue when there is nothing to continue for!
What?
And deny the usual suspects somewhere they can uselessly bump their gums several times a day?
Have a heart, 100% Yes!
It’s too late for most of them to develop people skills to get out into their community, making friends and influencing people into supporting Indy. This is their warm, comfortable, safe place. Don’t take away their refuge from reality where the year is eternally 2014.
Fake McFakeface @ 9.38
Watch out everyone, the Hateful-one site (scabies) infection has awakened and cracked his knuckles getting ready for a day of flooding this site with, well keyboard sh1t quite frankly.
Hateful one; I think you need to reset your Oi Vey Y’all AI bot back to factory settings as it seems to be stuck on Gittering B8stard Mode.
Just saying an that..
PS; rumour is Ben’nJerries Nutty Yahoo is going to be taken off the menu..
Try and not cry eh?
SNP members appear to be fine with London rule which to be honest has been the case for over 5 years. Just don’t vote for them again it’s that simple.
We all know before the referendum 1.6million people staying in Scotland was going to vote NO in 2014 referendum. My question is has organization done any form of polling on these 1.6million people and how many of these have now change there minds to Yes.
Because these 1.6 had an incentive to actually vote no in the referendum a portion of these being EU nationals which I would presume a lot would now say Yes, hence no section 30 order would ever be given even if the SNP won 70 or 80 seats.
We keep hearing about the poll the UKG has done but has refused to release it I just wondered if the UKG knew this true figure.
Because if you where going to want to win a referendum its this 1.6 who’d you target.
Representative polling has been done on the whole electorate, which surely gives the figure we need to know?
Incidentally it doesn’t matter if the SNP get 65 seats, they need 65 seats plus more than 50% of the voting population voting for them. If he gets less than 50% then it ain’t a mandate, just that they won the parliament.
Personally I think the 65 seats thing is a con, nobody expects them to win a majority and if he doesn’t he has the perfect excuse to do nothing, again!
You could grant the SNP every seat in Holyrood, but you still wouldn’t live to see Scottish Independence.
For the rest, SALVO, (not a party, I know), Liberate, ISP, ALBA… Please be warned and aware that any plans for achieving Independence which rely, in any capacity whatsoever, upon even tacit support of the SNP are forlorn and already holed below the waterline.
I’m sorry guys too, but calls for unity? I hear the call, but I cannot do it man. I cannot make myself wilfully blind to the tr(@itors in our ranks and give them license to betray us again. They are already at work destroying everything you build. I can maybe be persuaded to turn a blind eye towards what they’ve done, but not towards what the wee shites have yet to do.
The BritNat Media will now canonise Swinney as the bestest leader the SNP has ever had, hail the crusher of revolt! – yes, the same way they canonised that Sturgeon creature as the bestest leader the SNP ever had, because the BritNat media can bask in the sure knowledge that the UK is safe while SNP is led and controlled by feckless UK Loyalists, and ALL talk of Scottish Independence is insincere horseshit.
I’m not going waste another word on the treacherous Gauleiters in Holyrood, but shame upon the lowly SNP voter; a patriot with the intellect of a midgie, indefensibly stupid if it needs said explicitly…
I know that level of ingnorance is the consequence of indoctrination, but we cannot trail that as an excuse. It’s not about to change overnight.
Awkward question too, how much of our 53% which support Independence are also dunce affilliates of the SNP’s walking dead?
Nobody listens, I know, I’m well used to it now, but I’ll say it again, IMPEACH HOLYROOD! Denounce the place. If Scotland had any potency as a Nation, the burned out ashes of the Holyrood “Parliament” and all its rotten trimmings, would dumped by the tipper-load over the Border… See how England handles toxic waste.
Small last point of order… 2026 Elections? Why the fuck is our Revolution adopting the UK Parliamentary Timetable? Assert Scotland’s lawful Constitutional Sovereignty, and we can hold a ratification plebicite on OUR timescale and schedule. Our first escape is from the internal prison of a colonial mindset.
We require NOTHING from Westminster, least of all our timetable and to-do list…
“I’ll say it again, IMPEACH HOLYROOD!”
Yay!
I’ll say it again too. Announce the date and the time and I’ll be there to follow you as you march on the place.
I see you’re another of these Constitutional Sovereignty zealots. I want to see you and all the rest, Xaracen in particular, put your dearly-held beliefs into practical use.
Announce the date and the time, and do it soon, before the winter sets in.
Rob
You are confusing an election with a referendum.
Elected governments could get us into the mess we are in, start wars, put people in poverty or join bodies like UN or EU with no recourse to referenda numbers.
None at all.
We do apparently; WE have to surpass specious bars dreamt up by those who do not hold our best interests (but theirs) at heart?
50 plus 1, 60 over Lordy knows how many years, 70 percent!!
Heck why not 80 percent or even 90 percent over however many years they dream up that THEY never had to and never will have to achieve?
Get effin real and off your knees gutless sh1ts..
There’s a swinney who’s sure all the devolution is gold
And he’s selling the jerseys to indy
When he gets there he knows, if the polls are all closed
With a vote he can’t get what he came for
Ooh, ooh, and he’s selling the jerseys to indy
There’s a sign on the wall, but he wants to be sure
‘Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings
In a book made from trees, a thieving cuckoo who sings
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven
Ooh, it makes me “wonder”
Ooh, makes me wonder
( stairway to heaven is a ripoff of bach )
Why are the SNP still talking about the need for permission from Westminster to hold a referendum.
The US the first country to reject British rule just done it and the 56 signatories didn’t ask.
But which nations will recognise Scottish Independence as soon as possible this will make Britain’s recognition of the nation’s of the former Soviet union and Yugoslavia look hypocritical.
The SNP have allowed themselves to be defined by the need for an “agreed” referendum as part of the devolutionary process which in their view would inevitably lead to independence on the “slippery slope” principle which many Scottish unionists had warned of and feared since before the establishment of the devolved parliament in Holyrood.
Sadly, they nailed their colours to the mast of Westminster “reasonableness”, and the presumption that the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement style politics would be the default: i.e. Westminster would not refuse a request from Holyrood which was backed up by a mandate given to a pro-independence Holyrood government in an election to the devolved parliament, even if Westminster opposed such a request.
That route is – as we’ve seen – effectively dead and buried.
The SNP now faces a stark choice: either it reinvents itself as a party which has independence as a long term aim (the Emotional Nationalist Party perhaps?), but effectively accepts that our self determination is contingent on the granting of Westminster permission, and works towards the best devo-max deal it can get, ot it suffers the same fate as the IPP in Ireland in 1918.
Obviously I’d prefer the latter given the SNP’s role in the attempted political lynching of Alex Salmond, it’s woeful performance in government since 2014, and it’s total capture by extremist luxury interest groups promoting genderism.
Ultimately however only Scottish electors can effect change. They’ve been doing a pretty crap job of it so far. Perhaps it will take the domesday scenario of Farage and Reform in government to give the independence movement the kick up the arse it appears to need?
I won’t be holding my breath.
You were doing not bad until you blamed the electorate there..
Been in or still gravitating to the political bubble?
Need to mingle and open yer eyes Milky Toast..
@Andy – I’m always surprised by the surprise about this. I can’t see any statements or positions by senior politicians in the run up to 2014 that would suggest an appetite for repeated referendums, and aside from the democratic and therefore moral argument, the grand bargain for unionists is the issue is then settled and we can all focus on other things. That latter objective is defeated if the Scottish Parliament can simply hold the referendum again in 3-years time, and unless pro-independence parties got a majority of votes the democratic argument can be dealt with (from London’s perspective) reasonably painlessly. So what’s in it for a Westminster government to legislative for a 2nd/3rd etc.
“what’s in it for a Westminster government”
What’s in it for a Hollyrood government?
They’ve already shown they can’t hack running the bits they have control of. They must know themselves that running the bits the “adults” are controlling would be completely beyond them.
Of course they know! That’s precisely why item #1 on the agenda of iScotland has always been to get shot of the new independence and get us into the EU under the control of the “adults” in Brussels.
As Andy says, only the Scottish electors can effect change, but first they have to wean themselves off the comfortable habit of voting for persuasive patter merchants.
As that will require bursting the tribal constraints the majority of us seem to be afflicted with, it will likely be a long time in coming.
Just another groundhog day in Scotland. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
All:
Just in case I miss it tomorrow then may I wish you all a happy anniversary on Tuesday of the crushing battle of Byland in 1322!
Another major victory airbrushed out of Anglocentric British history..
Raise a glass to em back in the day!
Or just go to work and put in an honest day’s graft.
The taxes you contribute to Scotland will do more good than any amount of sitting at hame, greetin into yer drams over stuff that happened 700+ years ago.
You need to be mindful that any patriotic Scots survivors from that long-gone time would cut down every one of us where we stand as useless, effeminate, God-less pussies, should they ever find us in their road.
Even you, YL, despite or maybes even because of your endless posturing.
A bit like our fighting friends in the east and the Middle East would still do today. Sure, they’ll take our support and buy our (British) weapons, but when it comes to fighting for nation, culture, territory and existential survival, there’s SFA we can teach them.
Not even if they spend the rest of their lives reading WOS.
Fakey McFakeyface
Seriously! Were you crying as you wrote that?
P3nisbreath loser..
Everyone; anyone know of a good priest for an exorcism to get shot of this fool?
Hatey MacFuckwit tells us
“The taxes you contribute to Scotland will do more good than any amount of sitting at hame, greetin into yer drams over stuff that happened 700+ years ago”.
Yet the same hatey who has openly declared that he hates paying taxes also tells us that Is rahel was gifted to the dews 2000 years ago, surely if one thing is ANCIENT GUFF because of its age the other must be ANCIENT ANCIENT GUFF
TH
Aye, it’s that level of senseless inconsistency then copying what others have said out of context that convinces me it’s some sort of bot, or he/ she/ it is a full Tonto loon..
Any idea where the loser hails from?
@ Twat A++ says: 13 October, 2025 at 2:49 am
“hates paying taxes”
Of course, YOU LOVE paying taxes.
If only that WAS possible to believe. You’re 75 YO. I doubt you’ve paid any TAXES this century.
“tells us that Is rahel was gifted to the dews 2000 years ago”
OUTRIGHT lie, Twat A++, or simple evidence of how your terminal senility stops you from understanding THE simplest written statement. I have referred a number of times to the existing Roman histories of THE region written at the TIME. They make crystal clear WHO resided in the geographical AREA under dispute 2000 years AGO.
Anyhoo, BIG day in the region, God willing, and you will BE wanting to spend the day in BED, covers over yer heid, gurning to YOURSELF to keep all sounds from the external world out. Make SURE to fortify yourself WITH two po’s. Could be A LONG one.
@ Young Lochinvar says: 13 October, 2025 at 4:46 am
“Any idea where the loser hails from?”
It’s 4:46 am, so it must be I’m living in yer rather sad heid.
Spacious too. I’m gonna get a second cat to swing – this first one doesn’t even touch the sides.
Know what you should do, YL? You should claim you wrote your reply to Twat A++ before you went to bed at a normal person’s time, but set the alarm clock to wake you up so you could post it at 4:46 am.
That’ll work, honest!
TH
Seen its latest ravings below?
It’s mad, truly loony tunes..
Go on, ask him about the Philistines, Ghat, Jericho and ethnic cleansing in the book of Kings, Saul and Samuel and ethnic cleansing / genocide of the Amalekites and the reason for Saul’s downfall and above all the Babylonians..
Maybe the Scotland hating loser will just claim that’s ancient guff too..
You should raise a glass to the Amalekites, YL.
How does 3:33 AM tomorrow sound? Does that work for you?
Congrats on finding yet another can of worms to open on your never-ending quest to avoid writing about the one subject that permanently defeats you – how Indy will make the everyday lot of Scots better.
But I guess we need to cut you some slack. If President Trump’s plan works, October 13th will be another day of mourning for the ham asshole supporting Scots.
You’ll be posting one of your “raise a glass” efforts every year on this day, in fond remembrance of the political movement that got 200,000 of their own women and kids killed and their entire country flattened to no purpose, while telling us that’s the sort of thing we Scots should be aspiring to.
Fakey McFakeyface @ 8.31
I don’t dislike you P3nisbreath, rather I feel sorry for you as you are clearly a deeply troubled individual, buzzing about like a fly in Lévy flight tangentially from one unrelated subject to another, the randomness is truly strange however no matter the topic you always end up back at your pet subject and start “whanging oan” (your words) about the M.E. or any others you have an obsessive (though safely vicarious) pathological hatred of.
Anyway, plenty of others have written extensively here or posted direction to how Scotland should better itself ultimately under independence, it’s just being the sad little character/ screwed up bot that you are that you lazily read but do not see nor learn in your haste to start clattering away smart aR8e poison replies on your keyboard.
However as I’ve had to do before and tell you: do your own homework P3nisbreath..
Meantime I will continue to mark historic dates of my ancestors (I know my family tree) your type seems to enjoy dismissing as it’s not the narrative of your political viewpoint nor likely your ancestors.
Heck, the anniversary of Sark is up next and nothing you can do or say will stop me noting it here and celebrating my ancestors.
Anyway, I really don’t think we have anything further to say other than confirming I now know fully why you are so thoroughly, thoroughly disliked by other posters here.
Have a nice/ sad/ away into the corner and eat worms day as suits your malign fancy and other than suggesting you really should consider seeking expert help then finally, once and for all: goodbye..
Cheers, YL.
I’m afraid it’s not reciprocated, so I’m not arsed to devote anything like as many words to you as you feel the need to devote to me.
But what news off the Amalekites? Raising a glass to them at 3:33 AM tomorrow? I reckon you’ll be the only one in the entire world.
And that will make you truly special.
You can do Ghat on Thursday.
@ YL Hatey MacFuckwit is the losers loser he must have the most depressing life with his constant NEGATIVITY, nae wummin could put up wi that soooooor face mibbe that’s why he constantly goes on his wee pervy rants
I think at one time he purported to be from East Kilbride but I think there is more chance of him coming from the 77th brigade barracks
@ Twat A++ says: 14 October, 2025 at 2:05 am
Fecking 2:05 in the fecking AM !!!
Stop it, Twat A++. Somebody is gonna accuse me of being your fluffer.
I defo seem to be keeping you up.
TH @ 2.05
Perhaps lay off and hold a dignified silence; I believe it’s not the done thing, apparently, to engage head on with those displaying “off the spectrum” traits.
Best to just ignore and not prompt it to further self harming outbursts..
@ Young Lochinvar says: 15 October, 2025 at 7:03 am
Sure. What we civilians call “running away from confrontation with superior forces”.
What did they call it in the BAOR? I bet it was much more snappy and succinct.
Fakey McFakeyface
Helicopter in; Milan missiles, mortar and available artillery “stonks”, SF MG fire then section weapons.
It was only going to last so long, wasn’t the best of prospects till the armour eventually came up.
You?
Bitchy comments and scratching Ivan’s eyes out?
P3nisbreath; You are absolutely, utterly and beyond redemption, pathetic and beneath contempt.
Cheering on from the sidelines coward.
Go and take yer medication and leave grown ups who’ve been there and done it in peace ya complete biff..
Anybody counted the number of ‘ mandates’ the SNP have had?
All wasted , piddled away.
YL thanks for the reminder!
The legal point is that a devolved parliament should not be able to negotiate anything for Scots such as in or out the EU, or independence for Scots
It should not be able to pass Scots laws at all.
Its a branch by legislation of the Westminster parliament of England. It is a issue that people in Scotland need to wake up to and rebuke.
It has no legal position in Scotland if the treaty of union is what holds Scotland and England together as a Union.
In historical and legal context it states that the treaty of union articles, terms and conditions are Faux.
There’s a town in Russia called Borisoglebskoe. Nuff said.
THIS STUFF COMES UNDER RUBRIC «PERFORMATIVE POLITICS»
Characteristics of Performative Politics
Symbolic Actions: These include gestures like social media posts or public statements that appear supportive but lack depth.
Lack of Substance: Performative politics often involves low-bar initiatives that do not address the root causes of issues or lead to real change.
Box-Checking: It can turn political engagement into a series of superficial actions, where the focus is on meeting quotas or appearing progressive rather than enacting effective policies.
We gave the the Scottish Crown but only up to Queen victoria, when she died , the last of the Hanoverian line, of her body,
They switch to a new line and house of monarchy.
The monarch was not queen of Scotland in Scotland like she was in of England and Englands territory,
She/ He were monarchs of the people/ community there are two constitutional Crowns that entered the treaty of union, if is not a hoax.
Why does this matter,?
Because the monarch of England cannot give royal assent to Scottish matters. Wether that is a devolved parliament, the EU, Scotlands right to self determination, the Scottish claim of right, or Scottish territory.
The monarch is monarch of a parliament of England and a ( great Britain treaty that ended in 1801) between Scotland and England, when the parliament of England in its own name made the Anglo- Irish treaty. Then called it Britain,
Letting these legalities slide by unnoticed means Scotland remains a Colony of England unless every one in Scotland calls it out as SSRG and Salvo do.
There seems to be no legal position for the devolved parliament sent to Scotland within the terms, conditions and articles of the 1707 treaty of union,
So the devolved parliament in of itself breaches the treaty of union and cannot be given royal assent to be active in or for Scotland.
Meanwhile, anti-democracy and anti-Scottish activists are trying to make it illegal to observe that Scottish people are native to Scotland:
Claire Mackie-Brown, who joined Nigel Farage’s party in March, is the subject of complaints to Police Scotland and the local government standards watchdog over her controversial comments in an interview with STV News and her repeated appearances at anti-migrant protests.
A 22-page dossier has been passed to the police and the Ethical Standards Commissioner for Scotland – and shared with The National – detailing her alleged breaches.
In the STV interview about hotel protests, Mackie-Brown said: “There is a true unrest and it is scary.
“It’s scary as a local resident, somebody who was born and bred here.”
Mackie-Brown then turned away from the camera before adding: “I shouldn’t have said that”.
The anonymous complainer said: “Councillor Claire [Mackie] Brown’s conduct represents a serious departure from the standards expected of democratic representatives.
“Her association with far-right extremists, use of exclusionary language, and continued participation in increasingly violent protests demonstrates fundamental unfitness for elected office.
“The evidence supports both Standards Commission sanctions at the highest level and serious consideration of criminal proceedings under public order legislation.”
They added that a failure to act would be a “serious abdication of regulatory responsibility and send concerning messages about official tolerance for extremist associations and discriminatory conduct by elected officials”.
The complaint claims that Mackie-Brown’s “born and bred” comment could be considered “insulting to asylum seekers by implying their lesser legitimacy”. This, it was argued, could be considered a breach of Public Order Act 1986 under offences for “intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress”.
It also argues that the comment is “exclusionary” and “discriminatory” which, it is claimed, could constitute a breach of the requirements on councillors to avoid language which could “reasonably be perceived” to be discriminatory.
The complaint said: “The phrase ‘born and bred’ carries specific connotations in immigration discourse, particularly when contrasted with the presence of asylum seekers.
Who finances the STV. The old days of millions from advert revenue from Taggart are long gone. So who actually funds this V blog?
Sterling furniture adverts with Dougie Donnelly
It’s actually a very stupid thing to say because Scotland is a country that exports its young in significant numbers year after year, decade after decade, century after century. Scotland is a country that people get out of.
That’s what fans of logic and reason call a non sequitur Marie. We either want Scotland to exist, or we slink away into the night as a defeated and replaced people.
I want Scotland to exist, and for our children to have opportunities in Scotland. I don’t want any more imported grooming gangs to prey on Scottish children as they’re doing in Glasgow, or vast numbers of foreign colonists competing with our children for jobs and houses, because those things are death to our country.
Do we love Scotland enough to keep her? I think we do, and the scales are falling away from people’s eyes. You’ll catch on eventually.
“fans of logic and reason”
They have to check their logic and reason at the door before they dip their toes in Wings BTL.
“I don’t want any more imported grooming gangs to prey on Scottish children as they’re doing in Glasgow, or vast numbers of foreign colonists competing with our children for jobs and houses, because those things are death to our country”
I don’t believe I’ve ever seen any other BTL poster write with this clarity and certainty on this subject before. A scathing indictment, should yet another one be needed, of the inability of the typical Wings BTL poster to apply logic and reason to even such a weighty subject as Scotland’s survival as a people.
@Red. Scotland IS defeated – that’s the point I’m making. It was defeated in the 1700’s – and THAT’S why people leave.
“defeated in the 1700’s – and THAT’S why people leave”
Zat right, Marie?
Why don’t you make a list of all the countries that have been defeated in the last 300 years. See if any pattern emerges.
Mind and head the list with Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Austria, Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, India, China, Argentina, … I could go on.
Once you have your list, apply a little logic and reason to thinking about what it means.
RED be careful what you say you will have the progressives down on you like a ton of bricks , it is heresy to say Scotland for the Scots , the yoonionists take great delight in saying that Scots bottled the 2014 referendum but they strenuously avoid mentioning the report that disappeared showing SCOTS voted 52.7% FOR INDEPENDENCE but were sabotaged by the votes of “NEW Scots ” as the progressives like to anoint them, new Scots who had no allegiance or connection to Scotland , new Scots many who were only here temporarily , new Scots who still retained their allegiance and alliance to their birth countries ,new Scots who were not interested in the culture or history of Scotland ,You try going to THEIR countries and INSIST and DEMAND that you be listened to
We have supposed indy supporters who DEMAND that the same defeatist franchise be used in any further referendum quite happy for the same result as the outcome , to disagree you are labelled as a moonhowling blood and soil nationalist
The Scots are told – by their oppressor (that alone should set alarm bells ringing) – that they have a choice.
They are told they are the lucky beneficiaries of their very own aimless government and tuppenny parliament magnanimously gifted to them by a generous England… thank you for the bone, England!
It will keep us Scots occupied and distracted while you steal our nation and we fight over which of your pets gets to have the next chew at it.
I met a man who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today.
I wish that man would go away.
Or at the very least stay south of the border.
@ Northcode says: 12 October, 2025 at 12:11 pm
“The Scots are told – by their oppressor (that alone should set alarm bells ringing) – that they have a choice”
Pure dead brilliant, NC.
If the “enemy” says that Indy is there, just needing the national balls to be taken, then it must be a trap. Ochone!
If the “oppressor” says NO, we have no choice but to greet intae oor drams. But if the “oppressor” says GO ON THEN we still have no choice but to greet intae oor drams.
And to think you tried to pass yourself off as a Pict! By your pathetic cringe alone, you prove yourself to be of the purest Scottish stock.
Due to the devolved parliament Not actually being a Scottish parliament in reality, legally it cannot repeal Scots laws, cannot pass Scots law, or negotiate on the behalf of the Scots or the community of the Scots or their territory.
And would breach the original 1707 treaty of union.
This is where the idea stems from that the terms, conditions, and articles of 1707 treaty of union are a hoax,
As nothing in that supposed international treaty has been followed, but dismissed by Westminster parliament in England,
Including the Claim of Right, the Scottish constitution, the two legal systems, the keeping of burghs, the two kingdoms, and the two Crowns and the two separate Sovereignties of both in Britain that is supposed to hold it together…..
Nothing has been adhered too by Westminster parliament to confirm the treaty is a international treaty of a voluntary political parliamentary union between Scotland and England.
One of the first breaches was to dissolve the old parliament of Scotland from the treaty of union agreement,
But retain the English bill of rights, the monarch of England and the parliament of England in which the Westminster parliament attains it sovereignty from,
Making it a parliament of England,
The political parties sitting pretending to represent Scottish people in a pretend Scottish parliament, and not registered in Scotland is a farce of democracy for the Scottish people. Voting in Scotland becomes a Wolf in sheep’s clothing.
A stellar summary as always by Stu/WOS. We can assume then that should the SNP get the reaming they deserve they will shut up finally about the independence they clearly don’t actually want?
I have zero desire to live in an EU vassal state beset by mediocrity and lacklustre incompetence.
Scotland deserves – and needs – better.
You are leaving out the post-culturalist insanity that dominates the political class in fact the entire ruling class almost everywhere in Europe including the UK. That’s still here even if the EU disappears or breaks up which it is likely to and deserves to.
Indeed, although all the signs are that the worm is turning on such insanity, due to people being utterly pissed off at a political class that clearly hates them and Western populations are finally growing a pair and saying “NO” to unwelcome imports, Net Zero, Ban And Tax anti-liberty politics and Big State incompetence.
Despite the ongoing hysterical TDS, Trump (whom I am no supporter of) is turning the USA around by putting right many of the wrongs, albeit the threat of civil war still looks large; Micron’s shambles is close to collapse, Germany are waking up to years of deliberate mismanagement and TwoTierKier will be slung out soon, deservedly, with Reform lubing themselves up to give the UniParty a cataclysmic pumping.
Where this leaves Scotland remains to be seen, too many of our own voters are unable to see past terrible UniParty (of which SNP are very much part of) policies and incompetence and still vote for The Same Auld Pish then moan at the state of things.
The Westminster parliament when the State of Great Britain was created ( it is not a Country remember) was a questionable agreement between only two Countries, Scotland and England,
Each had pre- conditions and terms to the agreement,
One was it would be a political parliamentary union…Scotlands parliament was dissolved from agee ent and union before the ink was dry,
That left the parliament of England.
End of a 1707 political parliamentary treaty of union between Scotland and England,
End of union, because the agreement also included a union of monarchy in that treaty,
The proclamation made by the late Alex Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon and the other Privy Counsellors of King Charles:
“Whereas it has pleased Almighty God to call to His Mercy our late
SOVEREIGN
Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second of Blessed and Glorious memory, by whose Decease the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is solely and rightfully come to The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George:
We, therefore, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of this Realm and Members of the House of Commons, together with other members of Her late Majesty’s Privy Council and representatives of the Realms and Territories, Aldermen, and Citizens of London, and others, do now hereby with one voice and Consent of Tongue and Heart publish and proclaim that The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George is now, by the Death of our late
SOVEREIGN
of Happy Memory, become
OUR ONLY LAWFUL AND RIGHTFUL LIEGE LORD
Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of his other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, to whom we do acknowledge all Faith and Obedience with humble Affection; beseeching God by whom Kings and Queens do reign to bless His Majesty with long and happy Years to reign over us.
Given at St James’s Palace this tenth day of September in the year of Our Lord two thousand and twenty-two.
GOD SAVE THE KING
What a ridiculous proclamation. Not very inclusive. What are individuals living in the modern era with no god supposed to do? Lie?
“What are individuals living in the modern era with no god supposed to do?”
Change their name by deed poll? That would defo be a start.
Calling themselves after the Mother of God sends mixed messages, Marie.
We all know that Scottish politics and the Scottish government and Scotland’s public bodies and institutions are broken or inept or corrupt or are all three together.
We all know that Scotland as a nation is a massive failure and has virtually ceased to exist in any real way.
We all know the Scots have been pushed down and held down and have had the fight knocked out them through centuries of oppression, both material and psychological.
And we are told over and over again and again what a disaster of a nation Scotland is and how feeble, pathetic and helpless her people are.
But how can the Scots be blamed when for three centuries they’ve had no say at all in how their country is managed or how their wealth of natural resources is utilised?
How can the Scots be blamed for being the victims of an invasion; their people hounded and subjugated? A relatively recent period in Scots history.
The endless traducing of Scotland and the Scots over and over and over, here and everywhere across the ‘United’ Kingdom, is monotonously predictable, tedious and tiresome… we get it.
The message has been rammed down our people’s throat often enough and for long enough… Scotland’s government is shite. Scotland’s parliament is shite. Scotland’s politicians are shite. Scotland’s culture and traditions and language are shite. Scotland is shite. The Scots are shite and everything shite in Scotland and about Scotland is the fault of the Scots… who are shite, by the way, for those folk who don’t already know.
If you’re a Scot who wants to remain a Scot and not be turned English… you’re shite. If you’re a Scot who likes to pretend they’re English or has deluded thersel into believing they’re English… you’re a wee bit less shite, but still shite.
This must be true. It must be true because the anti-Scot ‘experts'(many in the pay of the BBC and other ‘British’ institutions) across the ‘United’ Kingdom are never done telling us Scots just how absolutely fucking shite we are.
But see me? A’m a Scot and A’m no shite… and anybody who says A’m shite is a big smelly shite.
“Scotland’s public bodies and institutions are broken or inept or corrupt”
Indeed so, Northcode, because in a colonial society all the institutions are colonial in nature and in terms of their values, “which includes the crushing of the colonized”:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
“which includes the crushing of the colonized”
Check out Professor Baird. Too damned mean to buy himself a TV license.
If he were to shell out, he could get himself a TV, turn it on, and watch real colonised people, being really crushed, live on TV.
Any Scot thereafter entered into the Westminster parliament of England under the monarch of England in England. As a English parliamentarian.
That Would not be union parliament.
As the Scottish parliament was no longer in a political parliamentary union with the parliament of England once the so called parliament of GB had the Scottish parliament dissolved and the treaty terms and conditions and articles dissolved the agreement of a parliamentary union, it was breached.
Why Scotland remains under the believe that a Scottish parliament and a parliament of England are in a parliamentary union called the parliament of Great Britain is understandable.
They have been stonewalled by obfuscation and omitted information to Scotland.
Just like the MacCrone report, its best not to give the Scots any ideas above their station. Or any thing that may jepordise the control over Scots and Scotland.
North code.
As you eloquently state, Scotland has not run Scotland for over Three hundred years, it has been run and organised by Westminster parliament, and the Scottish devolved government is also Westminsters baby,
There is one thing for sure, we have not run Wales, England, Scotland Nor Ireland, and yet they are run into the ground by the same bunch of political ineptitude ‘pass the brains’ politicians.
Nothing to do with Scots, but perhaps we should intervene lawfully. Before everything goes to the dogs.
Know you’re history and country Scotland is all I can add, the door you came in, is the same door on the out.
Aye, James. Only the very gullible could believe that Westminster – Scotland’s oppressor for over 300 years – would allow the Scots anywhere near an actual genuine democratic process that could invest them with real power.
The power to terminate a treaty, say.
Or the power to reclaim their sovereignty and nation from a foreign interloper within the time it takes the Clydebank fair to pass (that’s a fortnight for the ignorant).
I mean, really… if they folk who believe that Scotland is an equal partner in a fair and honest union between two kingdoms were to open their minds and give it a nano-second of thought they would quickly come to see the true nature of the trap we Scots are stuck in – and they would see, too, just how wickedly woven and tricksy it truly is.
Just what one would expect from a perfidious former empire with much experience in such traps – traps designed to subjugate entire peoples and keep them Doun-Hauden (thanks, Alf).
So let’s say SNP win all 73 constituency seats.
Pretty much by definition, they then can’t win any list (regional) seats by DeHond’t -all as explained by the Winger a few weeks ago.
So Swinney has 56 MSPs apparently against him whether he likes it or not.
He goes to London (ChoochterBus £10 return) and respectfully asks for independence to be told he hasn’t even got 60% of the seats in Scotland, –coff.
So why isn’t he promoting a second independence party who can hoover up a bunch of list seats. No not the Greens.
Cos he doesn’t want to be anywhere close to independence.
There needs to be a centrist independence party, we don’t need even more left-wing versions righteously bickering amongst themselves.
Just for historical context,
There was never a queen Elizabeth 11 in Scotland, and Scots were not part of the union, the Crown of Scotland has sat vacant since king charles the second I believe as England disposed themselves of king James,
Having denounced king james as the Great pretender of Great Britain they then choose the descendent of a denounced king to become their next monarch of England,
Which was not very clever was it,
Which leads us full circle to the devolved Scottish parliament being a construction of Westminster and voting for England and English representatives registered in England to run Scotland.
We need a Scottish parliament now, seeing as our old first Scottish parliament has been dissolved from a parliamentary union with Englands parliament treaty in early 1700s.
Scotland is an illegally annexed dependency administered by a foreign power and no longer exists as a real country – Scotland exists as a name only and nothing more.
Scotland doesn’t have a real government and parliament… that nonsense is all part of the Scotland-has-a-choice illusion to make it seem like Scotland is an actual genuine real-live country capable of self-determination.
Scotland is a make-believe historical Rob Roy romance novel made manifest in the form of a theme park for tourists (apart from the industrial bits where indigenous Scots are forced to live and provide maintenance for the illusion – a bit like in the movie, Westworld).
So, the choice for Scots is either work in the Scotworld maintenance sector as a meagerly paid room and board worker drone or renounce their Scottish heritage and swear allegiance to a foreign nation whereupon they might be given the chance to participate in some upward social mobility activities and escape the ‘maintenance’ workshops and factories.
It’s the only real choice the Scots have.
I wonder how we Scots might set about altering that current reality.
It won’t be by relying on any kind of rigged electoral system put in place by a foreign country that would rather it retained the status quo and kept us Scots greasing the wheels of the Scotworld theme park… obviously
Have you tried altering that current reality by speaking and writing in a language only a minority of Scots can fathom?
I have a feeling in my water that could be the magic bullet that changes everything.
You should give it a shot, then post on here to tell us how it’s going.
Has anyone done calculations around snp both votes with reform on current voting intentions
Or
SNP 1 alba 2 with reform in current predictions
Party Constituency Vote (%) Regional Vote (%) Projected Seats
Scottish National Party (SNP) 34% 28% 61
Labour 18.6% 17.8% 18
Reform UK 15.8% 16.4% 17
Scottish Conservatives 11.6% 12.8% 12
Scottish Greens – – Gains expected
Scottish Liberal Democrats Gains expected
Alba – – Marginal
Interesting to see how it goes because I think there’s loads of headroom for Reform to grow in Scotland. They’ve come far in a short period of time, they can go farther.
With all the major parties signed up for national suicide through replacement immigration, and economic suicide through windfarms, Scots who want Scotland to still exist in future don’t have a lot of options.
Reform also seem to be the only ones talking about the need for freedom of speech while the other parties voted to make it illegal for you to say things in your own house via Humza’s Hate Act. The way I see things going, establishment parties including the fake Scottish nationalists are only going to get more unpopular as Scots are tormented by immigration and rising poverty caused by Net Zero. Calling them racist disnae work anymore.
Be ironic if the rights of the Scottish people – stripped away from us by our own parliament – are restored by an Englishman named Nigel.
But where’s our Nigel? How come we have 129 MSPs and not one single patriot among them? Their vetting must be very good, to keep out anybody who is not ashamed to be Scottish.
Rising poverty is not caused by Net Zero. Poverty in the UK began during Thatcher’s gov when Net Zero was zero. Poverty arises from neoliberal policies which all successive UK governments since Thatcher have embraced.
In addition to the policies quoted, Reform pledges to reduce government spending by £50 billion each year. This is likely to mean cuts to public services
Sam, the trillions we’re spending on Net Zero are the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history. It’s a poverty plan for the masses, but the board of Scottish Power are laughing all the way to the bank
“Rising poverty is not caused by net zero”
Sure.
Neither is it caused by ever increasing numbers of useless eaters, all those tens of millions of them conditioned to an entitled belief that the state must keep them safe, warm, fed, medicated and comfortable for their entire lives.
Think I’m posting shite, sam?
You started it.
“likely to mean cuts to public services”
Likely? Bloody well certain. That’s just why Reform support is soaring among the grafters who are paying for the unsustainable, ever increasing costs of those unproductive tens of millions with their hands permanently extended for more.
The SNP has no intention of ever rocking the boat. Its sole purpose now is to remain in power in Scotland. A mirror image of the Irish independence party under Redmond. Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA – yes, they are and always were – started out as a movement, not a party. I am not advocating a war with the UK or a civil war. I am pointing out that Sinn Fein started out as a movement. We have YES Scotland, Liberate Scotland, SALVO/Liberation. All are movements as opposed to parties. That is both their strength and their weakness.
The UKG depends upon our not realising that we hold a winning hand – all the aces are ours – but too many Scots do not understand the reality of British politics and its propensity to try and gull people into believing that something is not that which it is. Ah, the Treaty, yes, it has been overtaken by secondary legislation and is now defunct, say the sages – or, it never existed! Well, if it is defunct, we can leave the Union right now. Same if it has never existed. If it is not defunct – and, personally, I do not believe it is – we can still challenge Westminster’s authority to decide our fate. Basically, that is what SALVO/Liberation and Liberate Scotland are doing, the one on the international scene and the other at the domestic polls.
The UKG cannot have it both ways: it cannot claim to overlordship over us while claiming, at the same time, that we are not in any position to challenge the Union because the Union rests on the Treaty we signed up to – and it does. Oh, yes, folks, the Union itself rests entirely on the Treaty or it does not exist at all. Which is it? The Treaty is primary legislation (international legislation) which cannot be replaced by secondary legislation (domestic legislation) which is why the EU treaties had to be challenged in Europe.
The SNP high head yins will never challenge the Treaty because they know it is both extant and challengeable under international law on deliberate breaching and deliberate lying. Why will they not challenge? Because they have no stomach for a challenge in law or anything else. Remaining in power is all. We either vote at the polls for independence candidates outwith the SNP or we continue on our trajectory to being replaced by non-Scots and to economic ruination. Our choice.
Rev, I’ve just received in my email a 2010 article from Wings Over Sealand. Should this be happening?
One new irritant of late has been the appearance of the “reform shill”.
reform shills GTF – let’s look at their record of “delivery”
“vote brexit”
– one of the classic cons is “bait and switch” (offer one thing, give another) – the anglos were promised a super NHS, reindustrialised economy, proper jobs, and a white!white!white! land of warm beer and cricket on the village lawn … so having ordered, let’s see what was delivered in the box –
more expensive food, more expensive everything
and MORE “P4KIS” than you have ever seen !!
– turned out nice again … sings a george formby song about cleaning windows through which he watches – p4ki r4pe gangs defiling the youth …
“oh when Im cleaning windas
outside the local mosque …
for a fuckwit anglo
its an interesting job”
NIGEL FARAGE ON THE FUCKING BANJO
– PLAYING ALL OF INGLUND, LIKE THE CUNTS THEY ALL ARE
and are you not entertained, that the creature who subjected you all to this disaster, will likely become PM
(… the Scots made their excuses and left)
you have to admire the brass neck of the anglo in this – inside the EU – blame the EU for everything : outside the EU … er, blame the EU for everything because it can never be something we did, like immigration – always the UK has been in control of “commonwealth” migration, nothing to do with the EU.
Farage is an MI5 stooge whose job is to strip away the remaining duct tape which makes living in the UK slightly bearable – he wants to do “neoliberalism on steroids” and of all he promises, nothing will be delivered.
“reform” means DESTROY
– that the english will fall for this is … meh … they are fuckwits, it’s gonna happen; but I am more worried about Scots falling for it. Farage is the worst of the worst little englanders who sees Scotland as a collection of resources to be stripmined to allow England, i.e. the south east, to live beyond its means – much as Thatcher pumped the oil like fuck in order to power her “economic boom” which she attributed to city deregulation.
There’s a lot to unpack there.
Chiefly, Reform did not “deliver” Brexit; that was squarely the responsibility of the Conservative party, which catastrophically bungled it, many would say deliberately, considering said party actively campaigned against Brexit, as did Labour, Lib Dems and… the SNP.
The rest… Sorry, unintelligible rambling, foul language and overt racism.
“There’s a lot to unpack there”
Naw. There’s nae.
It didn’t take long for the racist trope to appear, and btw farage had the tories by the balls they didn’t know what to do about brexshit , but farage manipulated the engerlish electorate like a puppet master just as he is doing now
If anyone thinks farage is going to do ANYTHING about immigration I have a bridge available for sale , he is already backpedalling on his policies
writing in a highly condensed, satirical and hyperbolic style is a useful technique to get the point across, concisely, with impact; I could bore the tits off you, make it ten times as long to make the same points and provide references, but – in broad terms – “where is the lie” – and what did you find once you did your “unpacking”?
– shall we dig up old newspapers on the “promises of brexit”
– examine the consumer price index and migration statistics
– the legacy of the thatcher era and the theories of milton friedman, deindustialisation, financialisation, managed decline, and the role of oil in bankrolling it all; NB the oil depletion curves for the north sea UK and norway sectors show how england squandered the resource
– whether the english are a “race”, and if so whether the scots are, and who suffers most from this “racism”; who exerts the power dynamic here, the colonised or the colonist? Genetic maps from the peoples of the isles website identify us as a separate people and should thus have rights as the indigenous, aboriginal, first peoples.
– the notorious behaviour of the english in the EU, first begging to get let in, then from the start stirring the shit, and finally flouncing off in a huff; that the EU is by now a US vassal has a lot to do with the trojan horse nature of the UK being a member
– examine the strange history of farage, the man from nowhere promoted endlessly by the BBC, and correlate this with spy agencies attempts to control politics, esp. the overton window, via extremist organisations on both sides, but in this case – the national front, the BNP, the referendum party, ukip, reform – it looks like a determined effort to manufacture an “acceptable fascist” – a mosley/powell avatar, but a cheeky bloke with a pint as well, someone to vote for; BTW farage has no trouble with “legal”-migration and it is legal migration which is going to add 10M to the population by the early 2030s.
– I like george formby, a soft spot anyway; a bit more to him than you might think
“all killer – and no filler”.
The terms, conditions and articles of the treaty of union that would have made the English monarch the monarch of Scots if it had not been breached by dissolving one parliament ( Scotland ) from the 1707 treaty, leaving only one parliament ( the parliament of England ) in a treaty by itself.
A westminster parliamentary union with the parliament of England.
Under those legal conditions the westminster parliament is no longer in a parliamentary union with the old parliament of Scotland or the monarchy agreement from that treaty because that was supposed happen due to a union of parliaments to bring in the created state of the GB parliament
And under those same legal conditions that results in the monarch of England with its Sovereignty in the Westminster parliament of England and Wales,
And unable to commit itself as a union parliament with Scotland as the created new State of the parliament of Great Britain,
Sarah,
I just wondered how you can have a treaty of political parliamentary union when the old parliament of Scotland that made that treaty was dissolved out of 1707 treaty, as soon as the ink was still drying by the new self claimed united Creation union state parliament of Great Britain.
If you’re dissolved it means, does not exist, terminated, ended, has ceased to exist, extinct for over three hundred years passed now,
“Nigel Farage becoming prime minister could push support for Scottish independence to 58%, a new poll suggests.
The survey by Norstat for the Sunday Times, which spoke to 1,007 Scots between May 27 and May 30, showed support for separation currently sits at 54% in Scotland.”
As reported in The Standard
I remember when it was
Boris Johnson becoming prime minister could push support for Scottish independence to 58%, a new poll suggests.
Unfortunately just like farage it won’t happen
How do you remain in a parliamentary union if one has been extinct/ceased for over three hundred years and the other one has been retained,
If the suggestion follows that Scotland was subsumed by the created parliament of Great Britain then that very parliament would also end as being subsumed.
If subsumed by the Westminster parliament of England, then again, that parliament by default of legality would end the treaty of union.
The treaty of union terms, conditions and articles agree on the parliament of Scotland and the parliament of England both being and having representatives from both parliaments to sit in the parliament of Great Britain.
However Scots from a Scottish parliament have not done this for over three hundred years,
England has continued having representatives for England and Wales since prior to the treaty of union. Until present day,
Except now they send representatives from Westminster and registered in England to over see Scotland,
For we are to remind our selves that the devolved parliament sent to Scotland representative are not under Scottish legislation or registration,
So as always I ask, for which parliament are we voting or electing englands registered representative for. And for what Country,
The one we were kicked out of by use of dissolution, the parliament for England and wales or the devolved parliament,
For none are under Scotland name.
We can only be in a union if we are actually in it. Rather than Westminster parliament taking up the role of all three parliaments.
Past or present.
I am away to feed the dog and have a bite to eat myself, it is tiring trying to help people to apply logic,
So my last statement for today.
Were did Scotland and England legally acquire scottish representative from to sit in Westminster parliament in England for the past three hundred years if the parliament of Scotland had ceased to exist, ended.and was dissolved in the beginning of the 1700s
We did not vote for them,
They were simply chosen by the parliament of England and Wales calling itself the parliament of Britain, a name that England often used prior to 1707.
Worth a try Sam,
But why would Scotland vote for a party like Reform whom has made a open promise to hold the Scots prisoners against their will.
And they will never allow Scots the right to self determination on reforms watch.
Hostages and prisoners,
As far as the SNP’s “independence in Europe” strategy is concerned, isn’t there a perennial elephant in the room here, namely that, give or take a few %% points, the Leave vote for indy supporters was more or less the same as it was for unionists? Despite huge pressure from the Sturgeon regime to back Remain, around 35-40% of independence supporters chose Leave – and a significant number of Remain backers were tactical votes from people hoping England and/or Wales would vote the other way, thus triggering a mandate for Indyref2.
I know this site has done articles on the Yes/Leave demographic before and I commend that, but is nobody in the SNP, either elected members in office or rank and file alike, really pushed any debate on this issue?
Other than that, I notice the mainstream media continues to softball the SNP leadership. If that doesn’t show remaining supporters something (i.e. the old adage “never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”) then I don’t know what will.
I don’t know when Scotland will become an independent nation again, but I am reasonably certain how it will come about. First, there will be a referendum on which the question will be ‘Do you want Scotland to be independent right now’ (or at least ‘as soon as this can be reasonably arranged?’).
Then there will be a complicated bureaucratic process by which the Scottish government and all its component bodies with all their employees, buildings, structures and plant are carefully and ‘in principle’, but not yet ‘in practice’ disentangled from the UK government institutions in which they now reside and do their work.
Then, at midnight on some auspicious nominated day, the new government will step forward and take over, and will simultaneously be admitted to the United Nations.
Another fact that I am reasonably sure of, is that the House of Commons of the United Kingdom will never agree to pay for the referendum which starts the whole process off…. Why on earth should they? The H of C is the representative body for the whole UK population, and, as a whole, the p. of the UK do not want Scotland to be independent.
Why are independence-minded Scots, and the politicians who represent them, so reluctant to pay for an Independence Referendum, when the holding of such a referendum is the only plausible route to establishing a Scottish independent state?
I actually think that Nicola got something right. Shhh there! Read on.
When she noted that an on-going 60% polling yes for say, over a year, would become an irresistible claim. But she ignored that diagnosis.
You could suggest that the nutters in charge in Scotland could have sat down after 2015 and said. “Okay how do we achieve that?” And set about doing that rather than the last 10 years of onanistic self-harm. They were competing against one of the most consistently crap set of UK governments ever.
They could have been shining beacons of good, honest and effective government and slowly picked off the sceptics. Sceptics, like me who have seen nothing but dishonest, cheating and lying baloonery in Westminster. Sceptics now sitting up and literally listening to anything that will end the stream of rubbish. I am fairly sure Big Alex would have exploited that. But this lot? Dream on!
Imagine the Scot Gov could point to lots of practical and pragmatic improvements. If they had just sat down and done a good job, health, social care, roads, cooncils, drug deaths. If they had acted like they cared and like the could, there are at least another 5% like me that would happily cross the floor.
However, they may well have out-balooned the southern ballonery.
Hence my suggestion that Nicola had the right diagnosis. Just a shame that “Piss up in Brewery” was a stretch target that never looked likely. Wasting time, resouces and credibility trying bend and bang government reputation by chasing Alex to his death and men in skirts for their votes.
“a clear majority of Scots (56%) think immigration is already too high. Only 8%, fewer than one in ten, agree with Swinney that Scotland needs more immigration. Some 60% of Scots even agree with mass detention and deportation of illegal migrants”
Claims made here:
link to unherd.com
As I am defo in with the majority of Scots on all these questions, I’m going to continue to believe I’m with the majority of Scots on much else besides.
That means that any grief I get from the moonhowlers on here can safely be discounted as the ravings of a reality-denying minority.
Well P3nisbreath
At least we now know where you get your rightwing ideologue b0ll0x from!!
Unherd!!
Hahahaha!
No seriously
Hahahahahaha!
M0ron..
You are one simple son of a B1tch aren’t you?
“Penis”
“Moron”
“Son of a bitch”
And I thought Father Jack was deid!