Minding Your Own Business Dept.
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May 01, 2013 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
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Wait… so the idea is they’ll give tax powers to Wales to show it will work in Scotland, rather than JUST GIVING IT TO SCOTLAND? You must credit the guy for trying to get Wales something out of it, at least.
I wonder if Carwyn Jones knows he is being used as the latest patsy in the BT attack on Scottish Independence. Was he asked to become the patsy or did they just use him without telling him?
Scotland already has tax raising powers. Maybe someone should tell him about the Referendum in 1997. What he raises in Wales will be deducted by Westminster.
Wales will be charged by Revenue & Customs for the computer software to do it.
This dude must’ve had an interesting life – he’s only 47.
You added three zeroes to the Zimbabwe dollars amount. Was that the joke you tweeted about? (Reference to hyper-inflation.) Do I win a prize? 😉
When I first saw reports of this I read them in a quite different way: here’s Mr Jones saying ‘If you’re going to do that for the Scots, you’d better smarten up your ideas for Wales too.’ A spot of opportunist bargaining, and what’s wrong with that. The SNP website takes a similar view. Yes, he’s Labour, he’s probably scripted, and don’t trust him as far him as you could throw your fridge, etc.. Still, not sure which net that ball went into.
link to snp.org
I wonder if Carwyn Jones knows he is being used as the latest patsy in the BT attack on Scottish Independence.
He’s not being used. He’s a fairly typical Labour career politician doing exactly what career Labour politicians are supposed to do: what he’s told.
Give the man credit for trying it on.
Might also try “George double our budget and devolve social security to us..that will probably stop the rascally Scots”
“Mr Jones is a strong opponent of Scottish independence and believes that Wales can play a significant role in making the case for Scotland to stay within the UK by banning diving cheat Gareth Bale from international football.”
I don’t want to be the one to tell Peter Robinson he’s been had. So, too, have the Belly Telly. Poor Carwyn, plainly not the sharpest pencil in the box.
So Welsh Labour want devo-max for Wales so that Scotland gets devo-nothing in return for voting NO.
A cunning plan or what?
“You added three zeroes to the Zimbabwe dollars amount. Was that the joke you tweeted about?”
Blimey, well done 😀
(I actually did it four times before taking that whole bit out to try to convey a “broken calculator” thing.)
Your prize is the title of Most Alert Reader Of The Day. Enjoy it.
“Your prize is the title of Most Alert Reader Of The Day. Enjoy it.”
Wow, thanks! I shall treasure that until midnight, and never forget this part of today. I can’t believe it, you’ve made me so happy!
Also, the BBC’s Betsan Powys’s blog on this is worth a read should you need any more confirmation of how two-faced the Labour party is across the whole of the “One Nation”. Basically, full implementation really meant partial implementation. Jones back-tracked on devolving income tax. Remind anyone of anyone?
link to bbc.co.uk
Tres amusing.
Saw this ‘story’ at link to newsnow.co.uk as ‘Wales can show Scotland an alternative to independence’; Chancellor told. Wales Online 00:07 Tue, 30 Apr 2013
Whilst I’m empathetic to Plaid I don’t think Scotland needs to take any lessons from the Welsh Assembly – or should I say a Labour politician in the Assembly.
OT (surely it’s ok by now Rev?) and sorry if it’s already been posted…
Ian Bell in the Herald on the rise of UKIP
link to heraldscotland.com
Ukip’s emergence from the fringe is no laughing matter
As for the Welsh. Support for devolution there can only rise too (and it is rising). While the Scots were desperate for their parliament, the Welsh have more come to like theirs. Britain is slowly disintegrating. The tail end of the empirical rise and fall.
Oh dear. I don’t think he’s thought that one through. 😀
I know you’re all having a good laugh at our first minister but when you’ve finished giggling at the sheer madness of his comment spare a thought for us poor sods who have to live under his puppet government.
Anyway, as you were, 504 days to the big party.
Sorry to go o/t Rev, but I think you and Skier might be interested in the latest polling for the local elections in England. Link below. Makes for some very interesting reading.
link to ukpollingreport.co.uk
How to make friends and influence people!….I’ve only heard about this “jam tomorrow” does anybody actually know how big the jar is?….is their enough to go round?
Unlike the Army that is passing with joint and allied coalitions of the ready, willing and able geared to real flexible response with anyone, anywhere, anytime, it would be a mistake to assume the UK government is no longer a single entity either. Much will stand or fall on the culmination of the spending review across the distinctly seperate UK gov departments this June, as the outcome will shape the battlefields to be fought over up to the next UK general election by 2015 at the latest.
Every person and every public, private and voluntary organisation in the UK – including parliaments, assemblies and councils should have known for about 5 years that the UK would dump eye watering dollops of its national deficit and debt downstream. It is about to begin, big time.
In England, Pickles is hastening to put together a concordant with councils, however recalcitrant (sound familiar?). Like the Welsh First Minister – prodded by Plaid – they too know that devolution will dump responsibility without what in all likelihood they might regard as sufficient resources – especially after tomorrow’s local elections down south.
The First Ministers of Northern Ireland are looking askance at a smaller pot to ‘manage’ differences there. All in the UK having paid for peace, they now have no choice but to deliver it with less gravy to go round. All of a sudden, overtures are breaking out and in, much to the delight of the long-suffering moderate most there (at least as far as I can make out from Slugger).
In UK terms, it’s all concentrating minds across the hollowed-out provincial tiers of governance. Top-down devolution being power retained is about to clash with greater demands than hitherto for not only responsibility, but the requisite authority and resources to exercise and account for it: ie full-blown decentralization to attain and maintain optimal autonomy. Having been limbering-up ’til now, Unlock Democracy’s ‘Sustainable Communties Bill’ is about to come into its own.
Scotlandshire* is leading the way. The SNP has been and continues to be the greatest catalyst for real democratic change across the archaic, imperious UK that it has ever seen.
Cheers! Correction: Bottoms-up!
(* Note to self: check with Andy Wightman for where the equivalent Bill in Scotland is at.)
Whose business is it anyway? Well, it all depends on perspective, obviously. From a UK perspective, it is, very much their business. From a Scottish perspective, it is blatant interference. Ho Hum, each to his own.
And from the perspective of taxpayers, it’s everybody’s business in RIPoff Britain.
Five million Scots, two million NI, three million Welsh and 50 million English does not make for a balanced UK – or am I getting it wrong somewhere? The 80/20 rule is alive and well and will always work for England’s benefit.
Just a pity that the swings and roundabouts principle also works its stuff and boy is it gonna seem to hit hardest on the 50 million with the fun just starting for risable UKIP and failing Labour who’ll get well and truly stuffed. Scotland is not an issue for either of them.
Meanwhile – back at the croft!
this is the comment I just made on BBC Wales which appeared immediately but on looking for an opportunity to edit a misspelling it dissapeared,
Full implementation, full explanation06:33am on 02 May 2013what a refreshing change to come onto BBC wales and find your allowed to comment, in Scotland were not allowed sharp objects such as a comments page on BBC (no seriously) , I think its in case we cut ourselves on our sharp acerbic wit, but might I just ask Carwyn Jones to butt out of Scotland’s business please and in words of the bard MIND YOUR OWN BUISNESS”
now please someone tell me it was just pulled for moderation or are the Welsh THAT stringent on spelling?
hope you don’t mind me paraphrasing your header rev?
phew my post passed the speling test, (got a d though) its back on, those welch are tough teechers
john king says:
those welch are tough teechers
drummm tish 😛