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April 05, 2025 by
Chris Cairns
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A tall tale
Wee Books
Video
Probably a robbery
Transphobia
Can I put a tenner on the crazy one winning?
“Crazy one” doesn’t really narrow it down much given that we’re dealing with the Greens
So cough up my tenner
Are those hats made of recycled materials?
That party needs recycled?
Off topic- watching a documentary about Greenland.
The colonisers, Denmark, say that they are open to an independence referendum.
Back in Denmark’s history there have been vile practises almost as bad as England’s.
Sterilising 14 year girls to keep the native population down just one of the horrors.
Now that Trump suggests that America will control Greenland no matter what we can question his suggestion that it’s for international security but could it be for the $Billions of rare minerals that lie there.
The area would be blown apart to access these minerals.
A kick back bribe for the locals but the vast majority of wealth aimed as the US.
This raises our own question about how can the US say a population of 50,000 people isn’t too small, that they have minerals that never run out and what currency would they use.
Westminster must step in and warn them that they cannot leave a colony.
The Greenlander’s rights and way of life would disapear like snow off a dyke in a heatwave.
How about scotland becomes a USA state
I get guns, cheap fuel, right wing politics and low taxes
You get rid of the English
we both win
as long as we can agree on stopping American “cheese”
And American chocolate, American sitcoms ( or is that the cheese to which you refer?) and Trump , Musk et al.
Trump :- A nationlist arse who promises to make his country again because the OTHERS are oppressing us
That is exactly the message the NATs sell here in Scotland
Musk :- What exactly is your problem with him?
IN PAX AMERICANA à la Trump/Musk/Bezos/Zuckerberg etc they know the price of everything, flash the greenbacks and all prostrate in worship is the conceit, of the intrinsic value they neither wish to know nor care.
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to oqaasileriffik.gl
The mindset that effectively sold Scotland to the English in 1707 has historic resonance here. I suspect the people of Kalaallit Nunaat will not be be so easily fooled.
America left control of the English in 1775
Seeing that the vital element in achieving utopia is leaving control of the English
Why is America not utopia?
The Mad Party’s C Hatters? ?
*With apologies to Lewis Carroll
Maggie chapperson or dross geer-what a prospect
Lets take this as a time for us to reflect on how we got here and where we go
With a side track into why I’m a YOOOOOOOoonnnnnnnnnn……..
So where are we?
I think the cartoon wonderfully reflects where we are
………….And how did we get here?
WELL
You bunch of loonies have voted on mass for the Scottish Greens as they support indy
And you have been somewhat shocked to discover how insane the greens are
And if you want to know why I am firmly against indy then I think that there is no better illustration then Ross Greer.
I won’t go into why as if you can’t work that out then there is no hope for you
This will bring two reactions from the usual suspects
The first one will be from Geri the dim who will scream about Westminster and I’ll be honest as terrible as Westminster is I can’t see any MP as bad as Ross not even Diana abbot
The second will be “After we leave the union we can elect scottish politicians”
WELLL……..
I’d like to point out that young Ross was born in Scotland to Scottish parents who live in Scotland. He is a member of a scottish party that is head quartered in scotland and has no involvement with politics outside of Scotland. He is sitting in a scottish parliament after standing in a scottish election which he was elected in based on votes cast purely in scotland
He’s even ginger
I can’t see how more scottish he could be
……….. So where do we go from here?
If you want me who is a very soft NO to embrace indy
You REALLY need to give me a decent explanation on how leaving the union will make Ross vanish in a puff of logic
As he and the vast majority of MSP’s are idiots
And I can’t see anything from the indy lot which makes me think leaving the union will improve matters
I see plenty that will make it worse such as lowering the pay of an MSP and having a 2nd elected chamber *
So the floor is yours
Change my mind
* An elected 2nd chamber is a monumentally dumb idea on the grounds that the current elected chamber is 95% morons
And if you think lowering the pay of MSPs will improve matters then there is no hope for you
Nobody voted “on mass” for the Greens. They got 8% on the list.
I should have thought it was obvious that, after independence, the constitutional question goes away almost completely. So parties and candidates have to earn votes based on a broad range of policies, rather than a need to give the Greens a second vote so they can support the main (nominally) independence-supporting party.
We can safely ignore all unionist parties as they are nothing more then far right scottish hating English worshipping tools of the English state who are oppressing the true Scots from being the richest and most powerful nation on earth.
SO
Care to point to the sensible policies of truly scottish parties that can be delivered instead of FREEE STUFFFFFFF
YS, the policies each party currently pursues are, in the main, a creature of the devolution settlement. When we attain independence, there will be new challenges and fresh opportunities. That will require different policies. For instance, a sensible government in an independent Scotland will develop policy that lifts the Scottish economy, rather than being forced into a policy that benefits the home counties of England. Hopefully, that will include some degree of independence for local authorities in raising tax in a manner that best suits its economy and the needs of its inhabitants.
Heh! This made me laugh out loud.
Gotta love the Space Cadet helmet!
We could also vote Scottish MP’s out if they’re sh*t/grifters/wrong uns etc
That’s the thing. You can’t! They sneek in through the list system.
Yoon Scum @ 08.53.
Reads a wee bit like that song about, “What do you with a pronlem like Greer.”.
I guess that my own thought would be that Scotland did not, in fact, vote en masse for either the Greens or Mr Greer.
He, along with such intellectual luminaries as messrs Harvie and Slater enjoy their privileged positiins at Holyrood by virtue of the closed list D’Hondt system inflicted on us by the late Donald Dewar and Mr Blair.
The worst of the three variations of this particular system, I’d suggest, and one which ensures that those in control of any political party have the gift of position on the party list for MSP position and also results in no connection whatsoever between the electorate and the list MSP. Talk about “power without accountability”.
In an independent Scotland which selected its own voting system I’d suggest that a priority would be to restore the connection between the electorate and those whom they choose to represent them.
Incidentally, should you wish to compare the abilities of an MP at Westminster with our own crop of weirdos, please just consider the group of Labour MPs who support the proposal of the Labour MP who wishes to fund the construction of an airport in Pakistan.
if you want me to defend the Labour MPs who want to BUILD an airport in Pakistan when compared to Young Ross
HAPPILY
Can you imagine Ross supporting the building of ANYTHING let alone an airport?
Nope me neither
Develing deeper into your response then I would say that the greens are very much a symptom of voting for the party and not the person
Which allows creatures like Ross to become an MSP
The role of a MP/MSP is two fold
Firstly to be a walking rubber stamp when it comes to votes in the chamber and the 2nd is represent the people in their local area
I’d happily see a system where you have two votes
The first is for the rubber stamp where you vote for a party and the party can then have whatever they want if they win
The 2nd is for an individual who has no party who actually represents and helps the people in the local area
BUT
I will note that NO proposal for INDY has given any details of how we improve politics apart from very robust flag waving
Which is understandable as all solutions for fixing problems follow the following formula
Step 1 :- Identify problem
Step 2 :- We leave the union
Step 3 :- Magic happens
PROBLEM SOLVED
Step 2 doesn’t bother me
Step 3 Is where I have many issues
I’m not so sure that “happily” advocating spending public money in a foreign country to add to its infrastructure is somehow of benefit to our land.
Whilst I’d not seek to defend Mr Greer on any of his public pronouncements which I’ve seen, he at least is not advocating our funding of public projects in foreign lands in which we have no national interest.
My response was more in answer to your query as to how we may get rid of Mr Greer and, indeed, his ilk.
As regards the type of voting system which might be adopted in an independent Scotland, I’d suggest that this is more likely to be considered and decided upon once the realistic prospect of Scottish Independence is nearer. Meantime voting systems and similar ‘nuts & bolts’ of building a new constitution and political structure of an independent country remain less a priority than identifying and implementing a strategy to work within the constraints of what we have.
Both of us are trying to pick up the turd by the clean end
I’d far rather we had politicians wanting to build something useful that will give a return on our investment here in scotland
And I’m sure you would as well
I also think we can both agree that young Ross would far rather give money to foreign lands to promote a play about the gay transexual politics of potatoe harvesting dwarfs then to actually spend it on something useful in the UK
Does step three involve halusnagenic mushrooms?
How about this one?
link to tinyurl.com
Had me laughing out loud, Chris – many thanks!
Have you allotted specific mad hats to Mad Hatters? Which ones are Gillian’s and Ross’?
I see Gillian Mackay is a marine bio-diverse graduate and also expecting a baby in July – the latter is lovely, of course, and clearly she must understand that there are only 2 sexes in humans. Yet she says “trans rights are human rights”… well yes, obviously, but what does she actually mean?
@ Sarah
Tin Foil Hat Ross Greer
Black YMCA hat Patrick Harvie
Trans Hat Maggie Chapman
Dunce Hat Lorna Slater
Witchfinders Hat Mark Ruskell
Space Cadet Hat Gillian MacKay
The handbag Ariane Burgess
That’s a good selection, George. We thought the handbag was a whoopee cushion!
Oh, is it a handbag?
And that was me thinking it was the cap of some handmaid…
I know it’s the last place you’d expect to find light, but if the US can use tariffs to revive industry and manufacturing, why can’t the UK?
They told us we were dealing with forces of nature when they stripped down our economy and tossed so many millions of lives into the abyss. Remember all that? All the bullshit about free trade, globalisation, competition, etc…
It turns out a few little tariff barriers could have saved our industries. Who knew?
Well, for a start, anyone that spent 5 minutes reading economic history knew. There are countless examples, so many that you’d struggle to find an exception to the rule; protection from external competition is a prerequisite for a thriving economy.
The British Empire (Imperial preference), the French Empire, the Zollverein, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the economy of ancient Rome, the EU, etc., etc., all examples of economies that thrived and depended on tariff barriers (in some cases banning imports of certain goods altogether in order to provide protection).
Yes, yes, it’ll probably all end in a big war, trade wars often do… but that’s a different subject.
Sums up the freak show nicely.
A veritable tombola of hats.
I’m a trifle confused as to who would wear the Roundhead or Cavalier ones though.
But then, I’m not very clever!
Mark Ruskell another graduate groupie. Another Ponce on the Vine. SCOTLAND NEEDS ADULTS!!
Stop the graduate brat mafia destroying our country.
Yoon Scum 10:11
UTOPIAS, as the name implies do not exist in reality, however the former American colonies have done rather well free of British rule, that cannot be denied.
One may not like what America does, I have particular reason for that view, but its native «chutzpah» has to be admired.
A Scottish leader with a shot of that might put a few cheeky tartan colored cats among the complacent grey political pigeons.
You guys really like jumping back and forward a couple of hundred years to make your argument hold. If you had a time machine I reckon Scotland would have Colonol Gaddafi as First minister.
Gaddafi would be a better prospect then the Scottish greens
You have nicely side stepped my point
leaving the control of the English doesn’t instantly equal paradise
If it does then here is a nice wee property for you
link to maskanyab.af
central kabul
6 bedroom $110,000
Must be a brilliant place as they left control the brits over 100 years ago
Sorry not interested in any country that easyJet doesn’t fly to.
It’s arguably true that President Trump is half-Scottish.
It’s arguably true that he will be the most infamous POTUS of the 21st century.
Heck, another 4 years of what he’s destroyed so far makes it plausible he will be the last ever
POTUS. Because he will destroy the US too.
My point is, just imagine what he could fuck up if he was whole Scottish!
He’s also part German. Think on.
I guess, Anthem, you’re blaming the German part of President Trump for the mayhem.
Myself, I see the German part as keeping the Scottish part in check – stopping him from going fully “postal”, as our cousins across the pond would describe it.
Now that would be scary.
Much is being made in the sane press of President Trump’s reversion to the trading policies established by the first US Treasury Secretary, Alexander Hamilton. Guess what, Sandy Hamilton himself was half-Scottish, being the illegitimate son of James A. Hamilton, a Scotsman.
Deniers of the fact that Scottish participation was fully part and parcel of the expansionist, genocidal, colonialist era needn’t bother responding.
Still though, it’s interesting to observe how today’s Scotland and contemporary Scots are being economically harmed by the unfettered colonising impulses of Scots, spanning time periods from the early 18th century when the Hamiltons started grabbing everything they could get their hands on, until when Mary Anne MacLeod sailed west in 1930 to seek her fortune in the New World.
If only they’d all stayed home and bided in, eh?
The homo histrionic Heinrich Himmler lookalike will be missed for his comical but very revealing green fascism. But not much else I reckon.
More like Lavernetiy Beria.
Yoon Scum @ 12.40.
To be frank, I can’t really speculate what Mr Greer would rather do than spend money on something deemed “useful” (I wonder by whose definition) in this country. I can certainly applaud his continuing opposition to the proposed Flamingo Land development on Loch Lomondside.
I can see that you do, indeed, wish to have politicians who’ll wish to build something useful in this country, which surprises me given your declaration that you will “Happily” defend Labour MPs who wish to spend money building an airport in Pakistan compared to aforementioned Mr Greer.
Support actual proposals to build a structure in another country, as against your imagined views on what Mr Greer has never proposed ? Sorry, your logic is escaping me.
So you love Ross for his BANANA politics
Build
Absolutely
Nothing
Anywhere
Near
Anyone
I hate the wee turd
but I’m a filthy YOON
So you as a TRUE SCOT
Must disagree with everything I think
Yoon Scum.
Wow, that seems to have pushed your buttons in a fairly immoderate manner.
I’ve no idea why you’d imagine I’m a Mr Greer fan, I simply agree with his views on the proposed development at Loch Lomond, opposed by virtually all local residents. I’ll be delighted to see him and his fellows out of Holyrood.
It’s you who chooses to self identify as a “Filthy Yoon” and adopt “Scum” as your screen name, please don’t imply that the descriptors are ones with which I would agree or apply.
Disagreeing with everything you think, or even assume, certainly isn’t my position, though it would seem that to dare to question any assertion you choose to make leads not to any reasoned debate but rather the implied insult of my regarding myself as a “True Scot”.
That’s a definition I’ll gladly accept … with the proviso that in my world being a “True Scot” does allow me to recognise and accept that others with whom I disagree may yet have opinions or behaviour on some matters which coincide with my own.
However, I regret you’ve chosen to adopt such a polarised position and promise I’ll respond or provoke you no more.
Greer is a dangerous nut case.
They are ALL dangerous nut-cases.
They don’t even consider or care about Scotlands inalienable right to self determination, ALL they want from independence is solely to shape somewhere/ anywhere in their deviant self identifying form..
They are fifth columnists as far as independence goes.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Greer was parachuted into a mountainous desert where the locals armed to the teeth didn’t care much for recycling.
We CAN get control over any of these politicians. All we have to do is get the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights implemented into Scots Law. Holyrood has the power to do this under the Scotland Act 1998. So please SIGN and SHARE link to petitions.parliament.scot
It won’t matter who is in government, we the voters can get direct democracy to stop any executive action that we disapproved. Just think about it – that would be such a vast improvement on the current system.
This petition to get the ICCPR implemented is going through Holyrood’s system at the moment. Fergus Ewing kept it alive on Wednesday – NB Jackson Carlaw would have stopped it if Fergus hadn’t spoken in support.
The minister responsible, Angus Robertson, doesn’t want us to have this Covenant.
So that is another good reason to sign and spread the word. All those who disapprove of Angus Robertson can enjoy putting a spanner in the works.
Where do I sign.
@ Mark – if you click on the blue link in my comment, the petition comes up for you to sign.
Petition is: PE2135 Implement the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights [ICCPR] in Scottish legislation.
Signed
Signed
Signed & shared elsewhere.
You still haven’t told me how long I have to move to england
I’m disappointed in you, sarah.
In my grown up world, legislation affecting us all should stand or fall on its objective merits.
It shouldn’t be decided on on the basis of personal antipathy to or liking for somebody, whether they oppose the legislation, or whether they support the legislation.
It’s perfectly possible for a disliked person to be right about something. Just as a highly popular leader can be disastrously wrong.
I think you need to grow up.
Ye ye ye. Just sign it.
“ It won’t matter who is in government, we the voters can get direct democracy to stop any executive action that we disapproved.”
Whereabouts in ICCPR does it state that?
The ICCPR gives voters the power to call a popular referendum. The petition was submitted on behalf of Respect Scottish Sovereignty, I think, so more detail of the ICCPR will be on their site and also in Leah Gunn Barrett’s report on Dear Scotland blog – she attended the Holyrood Committee on Wednesday and her article gives links to the detailed arguments by the petitioner.
@Dunx – it doesn’t say that anywhere and the ICCPR does not provide voters to call for referendums in the manner suggested. The author knows this, but carries on anyway as this isn’t about a genuine route to independence, it’s about driving traffic to a tiny blog.
I had a wee look at the text of the International Covenant On Civil And Political Rights online. It consists of 7 parts containing 53 articles, with most articles consisting of several paragraphs.
Your average reader might understand Article 53, which covers lawful translations of the text. The rest will likely be beyond comprehension to a layperson.
I’d go so far as to say I’m suspicious of anybody claiming to have read it all. As for understanding it, if you’re not an accredited paralegal or better, who has spent two days studying it and taking notes … aye, right.
In short, it’s a grift for our learned friends in the legal profession. Exactly the kind of legal bonds and fetters that stops anything from ever happening in the real world while taxpayer’s dosh is splurged on endless “days in court”.
But hey, in accordance with “sarah’s Law” of acting principally to annoy people, I’ve probably generated several supporting signatures, so it’s all good.
No doubt the time from now until May 2026, which should be devoted to getting a new Indy movement up and running, to populate HR with an influx of committed, competent, driven Scots, who can gather Indy support through the tried and tested universally accepted metric of majority support at the ballot box, will be wasted chasing this magic bullet instead. And perhaps that’s the point.
But now I’ve rained on somebody’s parade again. Boo. Hiss. So somebody tell me. When’s the referendum to be organised through the agency of the UN?
I want to get it marked up on my calendar, so let’s get concrete. Is it this year, next year, or maybe before this decade is out? It has to be this century, right?
When?
@Sarah
I’ve looked at the blog. The writer refers to Article 25 of the ICCPR which states :
Every citizen shall have the right and the opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions:
(a) To take part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through freely chosen representatives;
(b) To vote and to be elected at genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot, guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors;
(c) To have access, on general terms of equality, to public service in his country.
Nothing there about referendums and nothing I can see that we don’t already have.
@Twathater (an interest way to project your self hatred but there we go) – I am delighted you aren’t responding to nearly everything I post. Could we please extend that to everything? You seem to comment on everything, yet offer nothing of value, or any useful information, or anything that could form part of a discussion. You are just another angry drunk incoherently swearing at strangers on the internet. I am as pro-Scotland as a person can be, which is why I find it so sad that Scotland is any way associated with abusive mad cranks who can barely string a sentence together. Do you not understand how bad an impression the stuff that gets posted on here creates? You honestly think the Rev should ban people wanting to have serious conversations about Scottish public policy in favour of rambling halfwits posting the same tirade day in day out in favour of foreign despots. Why don’t you start your own blog and then you and the other village idiots can pollute the comments section to your hearts content about ‘G’ and ‘U’ and the beloved ‘R’ without you having to suffer hearing from people who don’t share the same mad deranged opinions as you?
Big thanks to all the Wingers who made it to the Eagle Inn last night. Great to chat in real life and the night flew in. Hope you all got home safe and sound and the hangovers weren’t too bad.
Ian B . I had just come on here to say thank you for organising last night’s event and seen yr comment , above : so…..to repeat ….thank you for doing that , really great to meet you in person and likewise people who I’ve only * known * here via their nom de plum/s – great to be amongst passionate Scottish Independence supporters – and be reminded that , unlike some of the tits that post their negative , repetitive drivel here – there are such people : great also to meet people like Neil Hanvey , who made the effort to come – that’s what’s been/is so lacking , ie people who claim to represent us actually * deigning * to interact with the people they ( supposedly ) represent – cheers Neil , pleasure to meet you .
Big thanks and , again , pleasure to meet n spend time with Eamonn ( sorry if that’s the wrong spelling ! ) aka ” Breastplate ” & lovely , funny , smart partner ( fckn hopeless with names , sorry ! ) .
Look forward to the next – or at least , subsequent events .
Thank you again , Ian & The Eagle & all the fine people I spoke and interacted with . Y’aw brullyint xxxx
Thanks Robert.
It was a total pleasure to meet you in person and I’m just sorry there wasn’t enough time, there never is.
It’s been a bruising few years for us all, in different ways. I hope last night provided at least a glimmer of the hope that remains.
It’s something you can only get from being near real people, physically.
So, hopefully, we’ll do it again soon.
Apologies Iain, I couldn’t make it. Glad you had a good meet up.
Sorry I couldn’t stay long, Ian, but thanks for all the effort you and your fellow insurgents put in to make it such a fun night. Had a nice chat with Taranaich of old (Al Harron) and his mum, who shared an amazing stat. about the “real” 2014 referendum result.
The only sad part was remembering some of the loyal Wingers who never got to see an independent country before they passed away, like Smallaxe, cearc and Liz g.
Sorry to have missed Robert Hughes and Breastplate: two of my favourite Restless Natives, ya bass!
May The Force be with you all.
Ah ! likewise , T.C ( Peter ): I never realised you were there , if I had I would have def made a point of introducing myself .
Next time maybe we should wear name badges
Brilliant remark in the Herald
When discussing replacement for the green gnome
“Ross greer this the only person in scotland the uk and the whole world when people would have to stop and think maybe harvie is not so bad !
I see little evidence to suggest the young Ross isn’t exactly the kind of politician that would be embraced in a free scotland
IE
An angry marxist little business hating wee turd who has never worked a day in his life
Well, quite, and I daresay that’s the problem: how many of today’s utterly useless, woke-captured, counter-reality Political Class has never even had a real job, let alone ran a business?
It wasn’t always like this, and at least a few still do know the score. I was invited to be considered for candidature for Reform a few months back; they have business success (or similar) as a prerequisite requirement in their case. Quite rightly IMO.
Scotland needs to rediscover itself and get its enterprising mojo back? How such a thing can be achieved, though (or the whole of the UK for that matter) is anyone’s guess. Easier said than done.
Look it’s not just the Greens – every political party controls its members and potential candidates – national or local. No one gets anywhere in political life if they do not think the right thoughts. Whether potential candidates have ever had a proper job is neither here nor there. The entire political process is captured right down to local party level. That’s why democracy is an illusion. The game is rigged.
“How such a thing can be achieved, though (or the whole of the UK for that matter) is anyone’s guess. Easier said than done”
A good start would be an absolute decimation of the laws, rules, regulations and red tape that stops just about everything of practical use or common sense ever getting done.
With the reams of human rights legislation first on the list for ritual slaying. The sort of legislation that prioritises the health and well being of a jihadist, unemployable, third-world immigrant useless eater over the health and well being of a harmless and blameless Scottish taxpayer.
Of course, on this thread and in this forum, the call is for yet more lawyerly legislation to be piled on. So our everyday life experiences have a few more years of “managed decline” to go yet, before the penny starts to drop.
This being Scotland, and Scotland being “special”, I fear we will remain a last bastion of the progressive, woke mind virus, long after Europe, the EU and even England have recovered.
Shame, because I believe that if we were to out-Reform even Reform, and link it to Indy, support for Indy would surge.
England is currently foundering before our eyes, yet here in Scotland, we prefer to cling on desperately to the policies and ideas that fatally holed England below the waterline. And so on this present course, we will share England’s fate.
“Whether potential candidates have ever had a proper job is neither here nor there.”
That’s factually wrong in the case of Reform, I know this first hand from recent experience. As a statement, it’s also badly flawed – of course it matters whether or not our would be political class and leaders have the first clue about The Real World (making a success of your life, working hard, generating wealth, leading and motivating others, garnering key life experience along the way). To say otherwise is frankly ridiculous.
Sure, Marie, we’re doomed.
You’ve said this before.
Weird, though, how other electorates, in other countries, aren’t doomed.
The MAGA people for example. Or the AfD. Or Le Pen and her crew. Or Orban and his supporters.
Being doomed must be something in the Scottish water people keep wanging oan aboot.
Or just an idea the likes of you are in love with, because it triggers that exquisite, self-pitying, greetin brain impulses that must be a kind of anti-dopamine.
“every political party controls its members and potential candidates – national or local. No one gets anywhere in political life if they do not think the right thoughts”
So we need a party stuffed with politicians where the “right thoughts” are to lead from the front, plan, inspire, persuade, convert, work tirelessly, take risks, never sell out, for Indy.
You see, Marie, it’s really not rocket science.
@Hatey
Agreed. Step 1: Less lawyers. Especially lefty lawyers….
If dross geer is the answer
What on earth is the question
@ Dunx at 8.46 a.m. “..had a look at the blog. Article 25 of the ICCPR…nothing there about referendums..”
Well done for having a proper look – more than I have done!
I wonder if the right to call for a public vote i.e. a referendum comes under sub-paragraph “(a) To take part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through freely chosen representatives;”. The “directly” is distinct from the citizen’s right to be elected themselves because that comes under sub-para (b) so can surely only mean that non-elected citizens can take part in the way the government is operating?
Please tell us, sarah, that when you say you haven’t had a proper look at this thing you are enthusiastically trying to foist on us all, you are having the mother of all delayed April Fools Day laughs.
I mean, you’ve got to be kidding, right?
@Hatey – you aren’t supposed to look into things, you’re supposed to sign the petition and possibly donate money regardless of the credulity of whatever cunning plan for independence has been dreamt up in the last week.
The First Minister in crucial trade talks confirms someone, no knows who, is very much interested in business.
@Robert Hughes 3.23: nae probs, Robert. See you next time. Had to head off early. Don’t know how you know my first name ‘cos not even the security services have twigged
.
ha ! you told me your name when you emailed me a while back – including your surname – which I won’t divulge , unless I’m huckled by the Aunty-Hate Crime & Transmen From UNKLE Polis n threatened with having to share a cell with Vlodka Ben Main ! Sorry P , that would be more than I could withstand !
Yip , next time amigo
Hoots aplenty sah, you’ve got me off the hook as Tinto was fingering me for that one!
Had forgotten all about that, Robert. No idea what we were discussing.
Love, Samantha
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Sorry I missed the night too – it sounds as though a good time was had by all.
Next time!
Hi D,
Yes, it was good.
Not just because the atmosphere was relaxed (because the Eagle Inn is Robert Slavin’s patch and openly supports independence) but because we could discuss topics in a way which just isn’t possible, even here. (Some folks’ ears must’ve been properly burnin!)
Aye, it’s been a tough few years for everyone but these events, even if they’re nothing like the huge gatherings 2013-2016, are vital.
Hopefully we’ll see you at one before this summer’s out!
I miss the way btl was. It was always relevant to independence, and pleasant on a personal level. OK Robert Peffers could be grouchy on occasion but there was no doubting that his head and heart were in the right place.
Getting together with like minds is very therapeutic, as you say, and spurs one on to more efforts. Talking of which, having a Holyrood election in 2026 does seem to be stimulating grassroots activity, don’t you think?
Sarah @ 4.48 & Duncx
I tried to post this earlier today, but it didn’t appear. So here it is again:
Re
(a) To take part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through freely chosen representatives;
I take that to mean that taking part in a referendum for self-determination would be a legitimate thing to do.
MaryB, it is encouraging that you read para (a) the same way that I do i.e. that it empowers People’s Referendums.
That in itself is a game-changer so far as our political system goes. The politicians would know that they couldn’t do just as they pleased, and that they couldn’t U-turn on their manifesto. We voters would be in the driving seat – that would be wonderful.
I don’t know if it would give us the right to an independence referendum BUT if Liberation.scot get UN recognition of us as a colony that would give us the right.
“We voters would be in the driving seat – that would be wonderful”
Would it though, sarah?
In all of those many countries that HAVE adopted this UN legislation – are the voters in these countries in the driving seat? Are they frequently holding referendums?
You really do have to be careful what you wish for. “We voters” doesn’t just include those voters who agree with you. It also includes those voters who don’t agree.
If you can’t establish a solid majority in favour of Indy first, you will be equally empowering those opposed to Indy.
You should just put in the hard graft of building a political movement in support of Indy and building up its support so that a solid majority of Scotland’s voters choose it.
It will be quicker, simpler and more effective in the long run.
IanB, I do hope so , I am definitely in need of meeting up with the cheerful , positive folk of the past.
My daughter was in Dow’s for a quick drink the other night , it reminded me of one get together and made me smile – not something I do a great deal of these days.
@Sarah (9.16) –
Thanks for that and aye, totally agree, there’s nothing like meeting folk in the flesh. Sometimes they’re not all you thought they’d look/sound like, even though their sex is seldom in doubt.
On Friday in the Eagle Inn in Coatbridge I met Amanda Brown and I heard her play, ootside, and it was just great, I was yon smitten way.
Your mention of Robber Peffers is interesting. One of the main points of having the gathering in Coatbridge was to remember people we’ve lost.
This place has been going for what, 12 years? It used to be a lot busier than it is now. If I might venture a possible reason?…
The average age of the attendees at Friday’s Eagle Inn was, and this is a rough guess – 60.
And that’s allowing for the inclusion of several youngish (30/40-ish) who joined the company later in the evening.
To be frank – a lot of the most enthusiastic independence supporters in 2014 are now dead or in care.
I’m not even sure that I have specific point to make here(*) but it may have some very basic documentary value for ‘future’ historians, some of whom may ask about Main/Jayne/Hatey.
‘Eeewozahhhhnllyyydoinnnnnisjaaaab!!’
Indeed, he was, and he did, and woz found out but he kept goin even though everyone had him in plain sight. FFS! What a pathetic way to pay the bills.
Anyway, we’re still here, paying their fuckin wages, so we might as well have some fun with them.
(*)If it helps stimulate conversation…
Love and Peace to all.
@Ian – as someone who is around half the age of the average suggested above, it’s not just that many of the most committed veterans are too old, it’s also that the campaign is too closely associated with anti-Englishness, sympathy for the Kremlin sometimes and increasingly wild ‘cunning plans’ for independence. The real draw of the cause, the opportunity to deliver Scandinavian style social democracy with all its positive outcomes (which I was reminded of this weekend in Stockholm) barely even features any more.
To get the campaign back of the ground is going to require a huge amount of energy, effort and capital by people who are prepared to work relentlessly over decades for it. That’s really difficult when the cause is embarrassing to be associated with. It’s not just the SNP/Green’s who’s shortcomings have been widely documented on Wings, but I’m afraid parts of the wider independence movement as well.
Don’t overlook the ingrained antisemitism which a close read of the clannish, self-congratulatory backslapping posts reveals.
But yes, if they didn’t drink a wee toast to the imperialist destruction and scattering to the 4 winds of that Eastern European sovereign nation, unique culture and language, and incomparably brave and self-sacrificing freedom fighters, I will be surprised.
Yet they believe they have what it takes to inspire we Scots to seize our own freedom and sovereignty from the remains of our own imperial overlords?
Aye. Right.
” it’s also that the campaign is too closely associated with anti-Englishness, sympathy for the Kremlin sometimes and increasingly wild ‘cunning plans’ for independence. ”
Who the fuck are you ? some johnny-come-lately who has never made a single positive comment about Scotland/Independence but whose every post reeks of condescending faux-superiority n ” look at me , Mr Sensible ” tedious nitpicking – the posters here , eg Xaracen & Mia have consistently blown yr * arguments * out the water , yet still you come back , repeating the same crap .
Acheiving the liberation of Scotland is not some academic , box-ticking exercise where * sensible * compliant Guardian-reading types will win the day by presenting Scotland as a nice little obedient , Neoliberal bastion of * progressive * Politics ; and be rewarded by that nebulous abstraction the ” International Community ” for being such .
This is a STRUGGLE for National Liberation ; something to be taken , not given .
As for being ” Anti-English ” , yes , maybe , we should just learn to love our oppressor , eh ? lick the hand that slaps us ? would that make us more acceptable in your eyes ? It’s not the ” English ” many Scots are ” anti ” so much as the English Establishment/Power Structure/Crown/Security Services whose raison d’etre is the continuance of the status quo and who will NEVER willingly release it’s grip on Scotland , ie on Scotland’s abundant resources .
” sympathy for the Kremlin ” bahahaha , what age are you , 12 ? , ie a couple of years older than the infant , J Main . What do you think this is , a game of Cowboys n Indians , good guys n bad guys ?
Let’s say it again , in case you missed it the previous several times it’s been said ……the ruination of ” that ” country in E Europe has been brought about by a toxic combination of – mostly – U.S power-obsessed malignity , extreme Nationalist/Fascist elements in U and self-serving egoists/* actors * like Zelensky ; rubberstamped and exacerbated by the Globalist fanatics in the E.U , eg Von der Leyen , the repackaged , updated shadow of past Germanic absolutism ; laundered by every single MSM source and the head-nodding , compliant clowns that comprise the West Political Class .
As for your flatterer , the repellent troll , Main …..” Anti-Semitic ” , you fckn nauseating hypocrite – ” Orcs , Covid Spreaders ” , Humous ” etc , ” wipe them off the face of the Earth ” . Thats’s right , exterminate over a billion people because YOU don’t like them , and you have the gall to talk about ” Anti-Semites ” – the almost unbelievable censorship , in some cases , arrest & deportation that’s going on of anyone who even so much as criticises THAT country , and here you are , pretending to be supporter of Scottish Independence , parrotting the exact same line , as well , of course , as actually supporting the atrocity that is taking place ” over there ” ; as the despicable UK/EU/Europe psychos cheer it on from the sidelines .
Crawl back to you hole or under the rock you slithered from , you’re fooling no one why your on here , every day , stalking other people’s posts and flogging yr puerile , venomous , pro-war ( as long it’s other people dying ) propaganda and – by definition – ugly racism
Exactly Robert – it’s full of people who rant and rave like you do. Nobody wants to be associated with that, least of all people who have the skills or resources to run a successful political campaign.
@ Robert Hughes TBQH Robert I have more or less stopped responding tae these pricks , it is the same old pish regurgitated every day “honestly I am a independence supporter” then the fuckwits go on to repeat the same negative shite endlessly
Again it appears Mr Campbell has given up on his site and is quite happy to let the yoonionist zombies run riot, he is more often to be found on X because there is nothing happening in Scottish politics so he says
It just shows how these clowns think, they come on to wings to denigrate and demean Scotland and Scots posing as indy supporters yet they don’t have the self awareness to take a look at the alternative that they are working for and promoting and how after 300+years of neglect and abuse Scotland and Scots are worse off than they have ever been
How stupid do these people have to be when they defend and promote the shower of corrupt freaks in WM that we are saddled with instead of looking at ways to destroy the corruption, someone on X started a post on the franchise and the yoonionists were going apeshit at the mere thought of changing it
To be fair, most of us where taken in by this be-Kind, inclusive, civic nationalism nonsense.
Look where it is got us though, a decade of Nicola Sturgeon and her merry band of troughers, Woke, systematic dismantling of woman’s rights but most importantly the possibility of independence disappeared for at least a generation.
Calm down, Bob.
This isn’t where you post your application for camp guard in the New Scottish Gulag you and your pals are obviously salivating to get started for anybody who deviates from your “right think”.
But by all means keep your text. You can cut and paste it in when the applications open.
“after 300+years of neglect and abuse Scotland and Scots are worse off than they have ever been”
Here you go TH:
after 20+years of SNP neglect and abuse Scotland and Scots are worse off than they have ever been
No, don’t thank me, HTH.
Now tell me I’m wrong. But wait, you’ve already fessed up that you can’t be arsed.
Now tell me you don’t have to share the blame for the fuckwits you and your like-minded fellow fuckwits have foisted on the people of Scotland for the past decade.
But wait, we’ve already settled that one.
Aidan said:
“Exactly Robert – it’s full of people who rant and rave like you do. Nobody wants to be associated with that, least of all people who have the skills or resources to run a successful political campaign.”
No, Aidan, we don’t ‘rant and rave’. We don’t need to. We have teased out the truth that Westminster has gone to great lengths to suppress, that the Union is a high stakes con game run by the English establishment, with Scotland and its resources as the prize.
We know how that con is run, we have explained it here and elsewhere, and we are in the process of ensuring that the UN understands it as well. The UK government has not only lied to Scotland and the UK as a whole, it has also lied intentionally to the UN C-24 committee regarding the formal constitutional make-up of the UK, and the abusive forms of governance it employs to keep Scotland subjugated to English rule despite the formal legal and constitutional agreements of the Treaty and Acts that founded the UK and its parliament.
Justice may be on the horizon, and it is making the culprits very nervous. I hope they all have serious trouble sleeping at night.
@Xaracen – you don’t personally rant and rave and that comment wasn’t aimed at you, whilst I don’t think your views and ideas have merit and don’t reflect an accurate view of the law, and wont lead to independence, I respect your willingness to engage in a discussion and have a reasoned argument to defend your position.
“Justice may be on the horizon”
Sure, Xaracen, but when, eh?
When you look at the shit the UN is trying to deal with around the world right now, with every expectation that things are just going to get worse and worse, don’t you ever start to think that the UN might just have other priorities?
So we Scots have hurty feelz because the English sometimes don’t take us seriously, and they do stuff a noisy minority of Scots disapprove of.
And we think we’re not nearly as rich as we deserve. We should be like our Norwegian cousins – swimming in so much dosh we can afford to bankroll the war.
But compared to half a dozen tribes, nations and countries we could all name without even trying right now – isn’t it all a case of boo fucking hoo?
But never mind that. I asked sarah the other day – answer came there none. So now I’m asking you.
When will the UN set us free?
And what do you propose we all do until then? Sit around, fingers up arses, bumping our gums?
“it is making the culprits very nervous”
Seriously? Aren’t they all centuries deid?
The “age” question is interesting. Can you remember if younger people were very visible in the 2014 campaign? From memory it was much the same then as now i.e. older folk – now of course it is the same people, if still with us, but 11 years older!
The younger ones have the higher percentage of independence supporters, in polls, but they still aren’t visible at Yes meetings or events.
In a way that is a plus point – the wisdom of age is getting an airing!
Another glorious day here in the NW so the garden/croft calls – the couch battle continues, as ever.
Couch as in grass not as in putting ones feet up!
The possibility might need to be considered that the higher percentage of support amongst younger voters in polls for independence is different than actual support.
From my limited experience of interacting with Gen Z through work, I find their political knowledge superficial and driven by emotion caused by the current trend. Once they are confronted with a counter argument, they soon buckle and contradict what they just said or just admit they don’t know much about the subject.
The idea that the SNP pinned all their hopes in appealing to Gen Z through pursuing woke policies would have been laughable if it wasn’t so damaging both to the independence cause and society in general.
Sarah, glyphosate, very weak solution half to 1 percent with adjuvant. Very difficult to apply selectively to couch (twitch in some regions). Weak mix to allow translocation, repeat application to achieve lethal dose. There will be collateral damage.
An excerpt from an article on the website of the Atlantic Council (see also Radio Free Europe); “Lithuanians paid tribute this week to four United States soldiers who died during a training exercise while serving in the Baltic nation.”. “The US servicemen had gone missing a week earlier during training exercises at a Lithuanian military facility close to the border with Belarus.”.
Yeah, they definitely died in Lithuania and not somewhere they weren’t supposed to be like … ? Does anyone actually believe this purple pish?
I wonder what Belarusian govt would say if a US military vehicle drove across the border from Lithuania? Viv. OB, please explain what other forbidden area you have in mind? What do you think happened?look forward to reading your reply.
So you’re claiming that US soldiers on RF soil will be summarily dispatched. The RF won’t make any political capital from it whatsoever. The US will be too feart tae say “boo”.
Actually, your reference to purple pish sounds far more relevant, rational and factual.
Mak yersel useful. Please tell us more about purple pish.
Vivian O’B, what is this ‘purple pish’ carry-on from you? I have read numerous comments from you but now have to wonder about their validity. According to european reports, and from Pravda, an M88 recovery vehicle disappeared into an unmapped swamp approx 5metres deep. Vehicle and 4 US soldiers found. So what do you think happened and what reason do you offer for the terms of your comment?
“now have to wonder about their validity”
Welcome to the club.
Vivian O’Blivion famously claimed on here that poot wants not so much as 1 square meter of U.
Yet here we are, 3+ years down the line and poot continues to grab extra square meters of U every day, at the trivial cost (to him) of his soldier’s blood and his nation’s treasure, for every square meter seized.
Not much in the Scottish press about Swinney’s trip to New York!
Scottish media in panic about Universities and their subsequent bankruptcy. Page after page, comment after comment.
Children are trapped in temporary housing with a temporary life.
Women are being attacked by the very government in place to protect them.
People are being systematically stripped if their basic human rights.
Boo hoo What a shame Nevermind.
Lots going on in plucky, wee Norway – the country that all sane and rational Scots hold up as the role model for what an Independent Scotland should aspire to be:
“Oslo will allocate around $454 million for the purchase of artillery ammunition for U, the Norwegian government announced on April 7”
“”We are now strengthening our cooperation with the EU to provide U with, among other things, more artillery ammunition,” said Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store”
“Europe must assume greater responsibility for supporting U in its fight for freedom”
“Norway’s funds are part of the country’s decision to increase aid for U to $7.8 billion in 2025”
“Oslo has been one of U’s most committed European backers, providing military aid, humanitarian assistance, and financial support”
“The country has also played a key role in stabilizing U’s energy sector and hosting U refugees”
I like Norway. They’re my kind of people, sane, rational, grounded in reality, pragmatic, practical, and they set an example I would like to see an Independent Scotland following.
And they’re not in the EU either.
Maybe we should be looking to form a union with them, if they would have us, of course.
Crowdfunder for Independence Live – it needs a lot more donors. So far it has £900 of the £6500 target. link to independencelive.net
Aidan says: at 9:31 pm
“You honestly think the Rev should ban people wanting to have serious conversations about Scottish public policy…”
After a month away I thought Stu and the ever-present trolls effectively had kyboshed serious conversations about the limited public policiy areas Scotland could be dealing with.
Julie Pannell of ISP at least puts out a weekly update on some of the things going on.
But imo an overly myopic fascination with mental cases and their genitals, and dreaming of obtaining justice from within the very system that facilitated the injustice; whilst at the same time repeatedly stating “there’s nothing going on” and ignoring all manner of other public policy matters that could warrant focus would appear to have diminished btl input to a comedically low level.
The brief implementation of the crappy Arsebook / Shitter X style like / dislike function gave a fleeting glimpse of just how little btl engagement there was, and it also showed the brazen factional use of it too, with childlike behaviour and total unwillingness of some folk to even try to reach any reasonable consensus, instead prefering to play the man and not the ball and continue to create ongoing disruption which puts even more folk off reading the site. But that was always the plan right…
Scotland may with a superficial glance still appear bonnie, but if you bother to take a closer look you’ll see it is actually a fucking disgusting swamp which needs drained of a good number of grifting parasites that seemingly infest and dominate pretty much all the main areas of our lives; And those many individuals through their continued mal modus are spreading a growing mindset of resentment, disenfranchisement, and don’t give a fuck attitude across our society.
Whether you are pro union or pro returning Scotland to self governing status, you’re still enduring chronically bad governance at many levels, and in denial if you think everything is fine with the current system and unwilling to even try to work towards a consensus to begin to fix the issues. That can only happen by working to identify and electing a new crop of folk to genuinely represent the wonts and needs of the electorate, seeing as pretty much all the current lot have proven to be unable to make much function properly.
Rev likes to take bear patrol walks around pretty Bath and post pics of the wildlife. I’m certain he’d have something to say if he saw the river getting untreated effluent or chemicals getting pumped / dumped into it and killing animals and the ecosystem, yet he seemingly has no interest when this sort of thing is going on across Scotland.
Grousebeater on occasions has also published articles about global pollution, and England polluting its rivers and sea.
But closer to home where’s the critique of the salmon farming industry or Scottish Water giving their execs big bonuses and getting a load of unfit for purpose EVs in their vehicle fleet to “save the planet”, when the same cunts are still pumping thousands of gallons of untreated effluent and other chemicals into our many rivers, lochs, and seas through old systems.
Here’s an idea, stop yer taxpayer funded gravy slurping and virtue signalling antics and actually create a plan to upgrade our archaic and polluting old systems. If you greedy fuckers didn’t take the big bonuses and piss away 100s of 1000s of quid of taxpayer’s money on seriously flawed repairs you’d have those funds to put towards upgrading and improve the infrastructure.
Guess nobody amongst oor brightest and best had the gumption to put a planning infrastructure constraint on the big money Kenmore developers which could have put a state of the art sewerage treatment plant to serve all of Kenmore at the head of the biggest river in Scotland and British Isles. That’s a perfect oppurtunity missed to set a precendent and begin to properly clean up our act and a beautiful river and the life that lives in it and those that earn their livings on and around it.
Of course SEPA don’t really give a fuck what Scottish Water do because reasons… and even if they did a fine would just get dumped onto the taxpayer anyway. But they will go hard after private individuals and companies with fines and revoking or resticting operating licenses.
BT / Openreach don’t really give a fuck for clean working practices either and are content to have their staff and contractors dump their litter and trade waste along the roadsides where they are working installing new infrastructure.
Local Authorities don’t oversee or audit permit to works given to these organisations so there’s no scrutiny or accountabilty of work quality.
A past classic was BT/Openreach managing to install the new fibre broadband cabinet in the lowest part of the village putting it in the SEPA medium flood risk zone. Ten yards either way would be low risk. Well played you unthinking lunatics and defo a slow hand clap for that achievement.
Network Rail can do the same sort of thing thing. A bunch of clarty bastards don’t give a single fuck and are seemingly content for crews to leave all their litter scattered along the areas of track they are working.
A complaint lodged and of course get the usual bollox about we appreciate your concern and will do something about it… Trouble is I now know and can prove they won’t do anything meaningful because unbeknown to me till earlier this evening, it turns out my pal reported the same thing months ago when the crew were working in their area a few miles away on the same track.
Just how hard is it for a manager to implement, and a site supervisor to oversee a procedure / guideline / clean working practice rule which instructs all their workers / subcontractors to use a bin instead of creating a disgusting mess all along the countryside they are working in.
If I dropped a single crisp packet in town I’d no doubt be getting in bother, but it’s just fine and dandy for these big organisation to continually dump shit loads of longlasting unsightly and toxic mess all over our contryside and ecosystems.
Roads going to rack and ruin because the local authorities don’t seem to have a scooby about how to maintain them. There’s 2 million quid for an archealogical dig on a few miles of the new A9 though. Really, that’s a priority in these times of fiscal austerity?
My LA sent out a crew last autumn in an all singing and dancing £100K drain cleaning vacuum / jetting lorry and they spent Monday to Friday “cleaning” the drains in my locale, only for it to rain on the Saturday and every blocked drain they worked on was still choked and the road flooded…
But aye, folk can continue to piss away their lives yakking about foreign lands and what they get up to, but the reality is you’re just pissing in the wind because based on our own performance we are in no position to judge others, nor actually empowered to do anything about it until we can improve our own situation and upgrade our global influencing credentials here at home.
Welcome to the machine.
Welcome back Dan.
The answer hasn’t changed since you were away.
The answer continues to be that concerned, competent people need to stand for office themselves.
They need to be plausible, committed and in possession of unimpeachable integrity. It would be a great help if they don’t look like weirdos, don’t react like snowflakes, can string together a coherent sentence, know what a woman is, and are “brave” enough to tell anybody who asks.
They need to stand on the platforms of “clearing the swamp” and “back to basics”. Zero fucking tolerance for low-level, anti-social behaviour would be a rip-roaring crowd pleaser too.
To the examples you cite, I would add the fast-food delivery boys on their lightless ebikes infesting our city streets after dark. Impound and crush every traffic law infringing two wheeler on sight.
If they can make a go of that, then when they say “let’s do Indy next”, they’ll have all the support they need.
Hi Dan. I thought my mention of couch grass might get your attention! Coincidentally my brother in San Francisco is also weeding it out – oddly he said it was easy as they had had some rain. Methinks his grass must be different especially as couch isn’t native to North America.
Re getting independence and improving our politics, have you signed the Holyrood petition about getting the UN law on civil and political rights into Scots Law? I put a link up yesterday [and a couple of days ago] – link to pettions.parliament.scot.
This UN covenant gives us the right to intervene directly in government, just as the Swiss can. We’d be able to do something about SEPA and all the other untreated [geddit?] problems in our public utilities etc.
The petition has 6512 signatures. It is such an important initiative that it would get everyone’s support IF people knew about it. That is the difficulty, as usual.
Dan, I replied an hour or so ago but it went into moderation, I can’t think why – I mentioned a certain pesky garden weed but surely that is innocent?
I also suggested that the ICCPR petition would give us immediate control over politicians and hence SEPA and other failed public utilities. I then gave the petitions.parliament.scot/petitions/PE2135 link – I’ve done that with the https:// before and it hasn’t been moderated. Anyway if you haven’t already signed, please do – it would be a real gamechanger if implemented.
I hope your garden is thriving – we had some of our leeks, carrots and tatties last night – superb.
I do have some concerns about how you blame the English for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that goes wrong in scotland
After the UN free’s Scotland and people like myself have been turned into fertiliser as that is the only use I could only ever have
Will you continue to blame the English?
As at the moment there is MANY things we could do a shitload better with the powers we currently have
For example the two ferries
(please don’t mention HS2 as that is you focusing on the English AGAIN)
These where ordered by a Scottish government from a scottish yard owned by a scottish indy supporting businessman to be built in scotland using scottish workers
they have gone spectacularly tit’s up
While a few miles up the Clyde they are churning out ships for the Royal Navy
as a >insert normal insults for people like meinsert more insults< I would LOVE to see Scotland out performing England
and as a very soft NO
If there was clear evidence that we can and are doing better
I'd be very easily convinced to support Indy
But I don't as I see just as many cocks ups north of the border as there is south of the border
And while people like yourself blame the English for everything
We can't
As YOU my dear are very happy to keep eating the shit sandwich the scottish government serve you
“Here’s an idea, stop yer taxpayer funded gravy slurping and virtue signalling antics and actually create a plan to upgrade our archaic and polluting old systems. “
So, just to be clear: you want Wings devoted to creating a plan for upgrading Scotland’s sewerage systems?
I mean, it’s going to take quite some time to develop the required level of expertise to talk about the matter with any authority, but if it’s what readers really want I guess I’ll have a bash.
As you stripped away the context around that particular sentence I guess you could strive to interpret it that way.
When did you start identifying as a taxpayer funded gravy slurping virtue signaller? I never had you down as one but will update my appraisal if that’s the case.
So for clarity; The answer is no, upgrading the sewerage handling infrastructure would be the job of the taxpayer funded well renumerated leaders and engineers within organisations such as Scottish Water and SEPA to come up.
You don’t have to be an expert to know that pumping untreated effluent into watercourses is bad thing. But if it is such a harmelss activity then why do we bother with the hassle of sanitation infrastructure at all.
Viz Top Tips. Save hundreds of quid a year on yer council tax wastewater charges by simply drinking yer own piss and crapping in yer fish tank. Everything will be fine… possibly.
Cheers for tweaking the HTML code to remove italics from my entire post though. No preview or edit function makes it easy to screw things up.
A shoutout for Dave Llewellyn the Indy Ninja for his info on X
link to x.com
Is Dave’s twitter about the 100 Scottish Liberation ambassadors attending the UN Committee 24 meeting in New York in June? [I’m not on twitter.] It is a wonderful idea and with the Arbroath Declaration symbolism it could get a lot of helpful American publicity, especially in New York where there’s many of the Scottish diaspora plus current Scots working there.
If it is, somebody should get them to read this afore they go:
link to unherd.com
Here’s a snippet:
“As for the rest of us: once the dust settles, everywhere outside America the nation will need urgently to re-learn how to think in terms of national interest, or else to form blocs capable of doing so. And those on the Right who support the Trump project, but don’t live in America, will need to understand that Trump is only on their side in a very qualified way. “America First” means America first.
I expect the Trump regime to root for Right-wing movements overseas, but to intervene on their part only where doing so aligns with American interests.”
The take home is that they had better be prepared to show their Yankee hosts how Indy helps the good ol USA.
And they had better leave all their wet, progressive, Marxist, big government, tax and spend baggage at home.
I guess this No voting far right piece of scum better piss off down to england ASAP
Not because I worship the English
Not because I support rangers
not because I think Westminster is doing a good job
Not because I’m in the orange order
BUT
Because I think Scotland will RAPIDLY become a marxist authoritarian state after indy is triggered by 100 people turning up at the UN
Yes it is Sarah he is asking for volunteers to put their names down to act as ambassadors at the UN
Analysis of the Lothian Region 2021 Scottish Parliamentary Election is a reality check for Independent prospective candidates. Multiple political parties with multiple candidates. Just over 69000 voters with the sole Independent candidate gathering 38 votes. In comparison the SNP gathered over 37000 list votes and didn’t win any of the 7 Lothian Region MSPs. So much for SNP 1 and 2 designed to defeat other candidates and suck the oxygen from alternative perspectives. I am due to attend the General Assembly next month as a Commissioner. It is kinda like a mini Parliament. If I can enjoy a full week of motions, amendments etc. I will stand as a prospective Independent candidate Lothian Region 2025. I am under no illusions I will lose my deposit of £500. And have the frightening prospect of debating with the intellectual giant Lorna Slater also standing for Lothian Region.
I hope you do stand, George. And the very best of luck to you if you do.
Mind and keep us posted on how it’s going.
Excellent. All respect to you.
I’m sceptical.
A man!?! Ok that’s the first hurdle.
A man of experience and knowledge.
Ok we are going into uncharted waters.
Total hostile, confused, angry, etc etc electorate.
Good luck.
MSM reporting the capture of Chinese troops fighting in Europe.
Spare a thought for The Donald tonight. At his age, he shouldn’t be trying to climb such a steep learning curve.
After that, spare a thought for ourselves. The “Red Menace” seems to be getting redder, more menacing, and closer by the day.
We all know Scots parliamentarians are forced to swear allegiance to the monarchs and heirs chosen by the UK parliament – if they want to take their seats and get their UK £££££s salaries.
I think We should be boycotting all UK / Holyrood elections until the UK state legally recognises our right of self-determination.
Seeking election to the Holyrood colonial parliament or UK Imperial parliament does nothing for independence and only gives false credibility to colonial devolution. It is harmful to Scotland’s cause.
It is a dead end. I’m not interested in wasting my time voting for a British colonial administrator.
Colin
Understood.
You do however realise, in stating the entirely reasonable, that you will invoke the keyboard wrath of the incurably deaf like AI facetious bot McCarthyismface and the ever endlessly whinging Pom YS (his chosen nom de guerre BTW)?
Love you too, YLS, but let’s not broadcast it on here for all the world to see, eh?
They’re not as broad minded as they like to make out.
( Make out – giggity!
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Comments on ‘Wings’ appear to be dying a death. Even the site nutters and bampots are giving it a miss. Well, most of them!
I think it is dawning on a lot of people that Independence is miles away. This is probably a good thing given our current crop of Politicians from EVERY Party.
However, nothing stays the same and change can happen rapidly and unexpectedly, especially on the political front but, not always for the good. Look at the impact The Donald has made in a few months.
Scotland needs ‘Do’ers’ rather than ‘Talkers’. Does anybody see any?
“Scotland needs ‘Do’ers’ rather than ‘Talkers’. Does anybody see any?”
Liberation Scotland and its campaigning arm, Salvo.
Is that the cranks who are going to the UN with some daft petition?
Small, probably well intentioned minority groups comprising of individuals who can’t even get on the first rung of the political ladder don’t and will never cut it with the vast majority of the electorate.
Westminster is full of idiots
Convince me that Holyrood is any better
Chas said;
“Is that the cranks who are going to the UN with some daft petition?”
No, Chas, it’s a formal liberation movement with a well-researched case, exactly unlike the rest of your comment, which is just a snide and empty rant.
Don’t fret Hatey, the R****ans are beaten.
Haven’t you been keeping up the the UK media these last three years. Pu*tin had cancer early on. A Doppleganger it was said was covering up for him.
Then it was said he was going to replaced in a coup to depose him. Then it was said that R***ia was ready to collapse economically with sanctions tranche one. Then cam sanctions tranches two, three and four just to finish R***ia off.
And in the war between Uk****ne we have been repeatedly told that Uk****ne would prevail, retake all the disputed territories and give R****ia a big defeat. Democrats on the US Congress even talked about breaking the R***ian Federation up.
So Hatey my dear chap with all information how can you conclude that R***ia is the Red Menace. Or am I missing something?
Meanwhile I was reading at the weekend a piece by an authoritative think tank that Britain could, if the already shrinking and struggling economy tanks with a debt of £2.7m that the UK could be heading for a Greek style debt crisis.
Surely not I though since no lesser a man than Sir Keir and now his sidekick in Scotland have declared that the UK ( and Scotland’s ) best days lie ahead of us. Certainly looks like it now we’ve got R***ia licked, and for that matter Ch*na.
Here you go willie:
Uraaaa!
Happy now?
Hows aboot Indy? Much closer now?
Tell me it is and I’ll repeat my post.
@ Jay, thank you but I’m not that desperate! The growing area is largely clear, it’s just the grass creeps in along the edges so I have to keep on top of it. In this weather and before the midges it’s OK.
Saarah: thank you for acknowledgement and good luck. Those rhizomes are troublesome, go anywhere.