The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Labour rejects mature debate

Posted on March 12, 2012 by

Okay, so it's not the most shocking headline we've ever run. But it's dismaying to see how openly Scottish Labour recoils from the very idea. Over on LabourHame today, Tom Harris runs yet another another one-eyed piece we won't dignify with a link, about how SNP supporters are nasty and arrogant while Labour's are paragons of humble virtue to a man. It only took him a few minutes to delete our comment in response:

"The fact is the nationalists might win. I hope they don’t, but they might. We might win. We might not, but we might." [Tom Harris]

Speaking as an evil cybernat, I agree completely with this statement. But when moaning on about how SNP supporters apparently have a monopoly on certainty, as usual you ignore the beam in your own eye. You don't have to look very far to see that attitude on the Labour side – in fact, only as far as your nearest rival for LabourHame's most prolific contributer, Mr Ian Smart, who asserts at every opportunity that (a) there won't be a referendum at all, and (b) if there is, the Yes vote will be 28%.

You're a pretty clever guy, Tom. Imagine what a force you could be in the campaign if you abandoned the puerile, transparently-hypocritical sniping that makes you so easy to mock and dismiss as a troll, and actually tried engaging in a vaguely mature debate.

Sadly, despite our (actually entirely genuine) plea, Tom has very much nailed his colours – we're not really sure which ones those are – to the "puerile, transparently hypocritical sniping" mast. We think that's a terrible shame, for reasons we've covered previously in some detail, but on Labour's head be it.

2 to “Labour rejects mature debate”

  1. Janos says:

    Ech, when people are wrong, they have nothing but immaturity and irrationality as their defence.  Abandoning that will leave them with nothing, and people don't like that, so all they can do is bleat on with their crap.  Sad fact of human psychology really =/.

    Reply
  2. nancy says:

    best thing to do with tom harris is to ignore him – that would really annoy him nothing worse than realising your an irrelevance.

    Reply


Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,886 Posts, 1,238,023 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Geri on Looking up at the stars: “Tis true about the drugs. It even dispenses itself through a driver if swallowing starts to become difficult & even…Mar 18, 13:59
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “A braw n grand sunlit day Oan ma bike n faraway Er the Clyde an alang the Kelvin Up Maryhill…Mar 18, 13:36
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “God told me your a pain in the celestial arse.Mar 18, 13:28
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Good to know God doesn’t go in for that Scots speaking bollox. Get Alf on the phone and tell him.Mar 18, 13:21
    • Northcode on Looking up at the stars: “I spoke with God in a dream last night. “What of Trump?” I asked Him. “fucked,” said God, His voice…Mar 18, 13:01
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “Put your money where mouth is.Mar 18, 12:55
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Shame you missed out on your ScotGov contract, Confused, but let’s not pretend your mobile gas chambers idea was ever…Mar 18, 12:27
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Any flexibility creeping in with the tenth, Northy? What with us being culturally colonised by the Yanks and all, plenty…Mar 18, 12:18
    • Confused on Looking up at the stars: “assisted dying failed – what do I do with the mobile gas van now? spent 100s fixing it up, getting…Mar 18, 12:09
    • Northcode on Looking up at the stars: ““Thou shalt not kill” In more modern versions of the Bible “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13) is the more…Mar 18, 11:55
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “” I came down from the misty mountain I got lost on the human highway take my head refreshing fountain…Mar 18, 09:49
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “Thow shall not kill.Mar 18, 09:43
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “Calm down to a riot. Omniscient, omnipotent omnipresent. It’s all I need to know. Shalom.Mar 18, 09:41
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “The “Keeping Faith With The Declaration Of Arbroath” bill. A selective variant of the assisted dying bill. Alert readers will…Mar 18, 08:40
    • Sven on Looking up at the stars: “Northcode @ 08.25. You may be bored, Northy, however you succeeded in giving me a smile this morning at those…Mar 18, 08:39
    • Northcode on Looking up at the stars: “The “Compassionate Killing” bill. The “Merciful Murder” bill. The “Bonnie Butcher” bill. What do these ‘better’ alternative names for the…Mar 18, 08:25
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Fear the loon or quine watching you via the FPV camera on the drone they control. Wake up, Mark! It’s…Mar 18, 07:54
    • Mark Beggan on Looking up at the stars: “Death is as natural as life. It’s the deal we made. Don’t fear death. Fear not living when you have…Mar 18, 07:23
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: ““This, I hope, will also clear the minds of some posters” You should re-marry, Cynicus. That too has been described…Mar 18, 07:17
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: ““He doesn’t speak for the majority” Good point, Geri, that’s your job, to bring the unelected, uneducated, hysterical POV to…Mar 18, 07:12
    • Cynicus on Looking up at the stars: “Mark Beggan says: 17 March, 2026 at 4:39 pm “Maybe it was ST Brendan then.” ======== LOL Nice try, Mark…Mar 18, 00:44
    • Geri on Looking up at the stars: “& who is he exactly? His party has FIVE MSPs. How many seats are list? FOUR. So they effectively have…Mar 17, 23:33
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Perhaps some of the money saved will be spent on trans. Be honest here, sarah. Who do you think is…Mar 17, 23:04
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Eh? Yousaf and his co-religionists allow pet dogs to suffer. Many of them would be happy to see all dogs…Mar 17, 22:59
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “@Geri Liam McArthur says the system “has been failing dying Scots for too long” and that many will feel let…Mar 17, 22:54
    • sarah on Looking up at the stars: “Interesting to see the SNP names, 37 for and 22 against. Swinney and Sturgeon against, Robertson for. But anyway, a…Mar 17, 22:50
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: “Election in May, x. Too close to the poll for the voters to develop the usual amnesia. They’ll bring back…Mar 17, 22:47
    • Glenn Boyd on Looking up at the stars: “Notoriously Fuckwitted MSP Humza Yousaf just voted against the Assisted Dying Bill, joining forces with conservatives and religious maniacs. We…Mar 17, 22:45
    • Hatey McHateface on Looking up at the stars: ““It doesn’t mean we want to spark up a euthanasia program for others” Naw? Are there two of you then,…Mar 17, 22:43
    • agentx on Looking up at the stars: “Other opinions are available.Mar 17, 22:42
  • A tall tale



↑ Top