Grandpa John’s Nightmare
It’s almost – almost – worth voting SNP in May because of this:
Because it would be at least momentarily absolutely hilarious watching Swinney try to explain why his “100% guaranteed” second indyref didn’t happen if the SNP actually did get a majority on 30% of the vote (which is narrowly feasible on current polling).
(There would, obviously, be nothing remotely “undemocratic” about the UK government refusing his demand in such circumstances, as it would be speaking for 70% of Scots. You have an iron-clad moral argument if you win more than half the vote, but Swinney himself has decreed that votes for other indy parties don’t count, only the SNP.)
But it still wouldn’t be worth it, because after the chuckles we’d have to endure another five years of the most morally bankrupt Scottish Government of all time.
Even by the standards of the Scottish Parliament of the last decade, yesterday was a shameful day in the chamber. Not only was Angela Constance – with the greatest of irony, the cabinet secretary for justice – saved from the sack by the SNP and Greens, but for good measure one of the few MSPs who ISN’T a disgrace to the Parliament was suspended for two days for calling out the behaviour of perhaps the worst to ever befoul the Holyrood building.
Ash Regan had drawn attention to some truly despicable comments from vile Scottish Greens lunatic Maggie Chapman in the wake of the Supreme Court judgment in For Women Scotland – comments so bad they’d provoked an incredibly rare public rebuke from the Faculty Of Advocates.
But while Chapman – with the backing of the SNP, of course – was allowed to vote to save herself from any disciplinary sanction, Regan was hauled before the Committee Of Public Safety – whoops, sorry, the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee – and punished for daring to tell the Scottish public she serves what she was doing and why.
On the very same day, Tory MSP Roz McCall sent a letter almost identical to Regan’s on the same subject, which she also tweeted, but McCall has – for unexplained reasons – been spared any disciplinary process. Astonishingly and wretchedly, McCall was one of the 84 MSPs who voted to impose the sanction on Regan.
(Angela Constance, who’d been present in the chamber only minutes earlier to face her non-punishment for a double breach of the Ministerial Code, scuttled out of it and back down her hole, neither voting nor abstaining on Regan’s sanction.)
We’ve long since run out of words to describe how embarrassed we are at the state of the Scottish Parliament, once a source of national pride. The naked contempt for even the slightest pretence at justice and fairness signify an institution rotten from top to bottom, with no hope of salvation anywhere on the horizon.
(Regan, a politician of principle, will almost certainly be voted out in May, whereas Constance will return to the gravy trough and Chapman will probably slither back in too, despite having been rejected by even Green members, because the person who deposed her at the top of the regional list has been suspended amid the party’s bitter tit-for-tat backbiting in the mudfight for lucrative MSP seats.)
If all we have to look forward to in May is another five years of the same ignominious weaselry, it’s time to either force Holyrood to be a grown-up real Parliament, or raze it to the ground. Would that we had an SNP with that much courage, or any at all.
“Would that we had an SNP with that much courage, or any at all”
Not agreeing with that. Not at all.
It’s the voters of Scotland who need the courage to vote the SNP and Greens out – lock, stock and barrel – regardless of their tribal loyalties, and make it bloody clear why they are doing it.
Only if that happens MIGHT we get MSPs who are too feart to rip the utter pish out of the mugs who are forced to pay for their performative pantomime.
Two things will happen after the election in May 1 the SNP will not get a majority and 2 the SNP won’t ask for a section 30 order, as they didn’t even meat their own plan on Independence.
Here’s comes the next Westminster election and once again how does the SNP propose to put yet again and Independence plan for that election or is the plan for Independence only based on a Holyrood election?
The SNP has dug a huge whole and the leadership is only making the party and the people standing for it, more unelectable.
Can Independence be so complicated the SNP thinks so.
Have you seen this mince yet Stu.
Posted on F/B Over 60s For Scottish Independence within the last couple of hours.
Oh Dear Oh Dear’
Referring to you as Stewie, gives the game away
I’m tired.
For years now, I’ve been trying to meet the goal that Nicola Sturgeon set for SNP members at the 2015 conference, when she challenged all of us to personally speak to our families, friends and neighbours about the benefits of independence.
I’ve tried really hard to meet that goal, but with only limited success, (I’m not a good listener) and, in the case of my brother, with failure, because he is STILL a Labour supporter.
But that’s my problem, not anyone else’s. What also makes me weary, is arguing with fellow yessers.
I don’t feel angry or bemused by the UK establishment, who have been ruthlessly efficient at doing to Scotland, what they have done to other colonies for hundreds of years – divide and conquer. That’s their job as Brits.
My anger and bemusement is with the professional anti-SNP bloggers, and, in particular, with Stewie Campbell, owner of the blog “Wings Over Scotland”, which is more virulent than any of the others.
I used to read “Wings” almost daily, and enjoyed and agreed with most of his blogs, while cringing at some of his more virulent language and personal attacks.
In August 2014, Wings published an incredible 94 blogs, all of which were aimed at unionists, and, in particular, unionist journalists like Stephen Daisley.
Fast forward a couple of years.
I had been banned from commenting on Wings, having disagreed with Stewie on a number of posts. I scrolled back through Wings posts, but stopped after 100 blogs, at which point, I had counted 4 anti-unionist blogs and 96 anti-SNP blogs.
What had happened? Had the unionist journalists been defeated? Were they no longer a threat to independence? Apparently, (according to Stewie), the SNP had morphed into the main barrier to independence, and was populated by careerists and devolutionists.
It’s important to understand that this accusation wasn’t new. Back in 2000, the “Guardian” published an article, which alleged that SNP “activists” were furious with Alex Salmond and the other SNP MSP’s, whom they accused of being devolututionists, too comfortable in their lucrative positions as MSP’s. They complained that Alex Salmond had only mentioned independence twice in speeches, in the first six months of the new parliament.
Sounds familiar?
The difference between 2000 and 2016 was the explosion of the Internet, and the ability of bloggers like Stewie to spread their poison and bile to a wide audience.
What caused Stewie and his fellow professional anti-SNP bloggers to turn on the SNP? Some folk ascribe this to these folk having been “got at” by the UK establishment. I have no idea if that is true or not. Personally, I think that Stewie and his pals discovered that anti-SNP blogging was more lucrative than anti-unionist blogging. I cannot prove this, because Wings stopped publishing financial accounts in 2016.
Whatever their reasons, Stewie and his pals are now cult leaders, with fanatically dedicated followers who will believe the mist outrageous lies, exaggerations and twisting of facts. If Sturgeon, or Yousaf, or Swinney says or does anything that can be interpreted in a malign or a benign manner, Stewie and his pals UNFAILINGLY go for the malign interpretation.
Will Stewie and his pals have had a negative effect on the SNP vote this May? I sincerely hope not, but I fear that they might have achieved their goal – a goal they share with the UK establishment – inadvertently or deliberately.
I’m tired.
Aawwww, sadly that group seems to be private.
Humans have five primary senses: sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell. I have no idea why the wider movement doesn’t see the SNP for who they have become. Stu keeps pointing out if you disagree with what he’s posted, feel free to look into what he’s posted and if he’s made a mistake then tell him.
As far as I’m aware no one has ever come back, I wonder why.
Yes you are tired, very very tired which explains the bilge you believe to be a remotely accurate post on the present state of Scottish politics especially the loathsome anti independence SNP.
And your personal attack on “Stewie” who only ever prints the truth is a tad odd to say the least.
Take a rest ,a long rest.
H McH
About a week ago I started the “getting blood out of a stone” process of asking a genuine question of (your new bestie) A Ellis which took a tiresome time to eventually elicit a grudging answer to.
I’ll ask the same of you, or whatever AI programme you rely on:
If, understandably enough, the SNP should be ignored, then what parties in your opinion should we vote for to achieve or progress the aim of independence and, can you explain why such parties receive no attention from the site host?
Please don’t cop out with your old canard of people should get out and stand for election themselves- ballot lists with enormous candidate lists aren’t practical.
Haven’t you got it yet – there is literary nobody to vote for that will move the independence movement forward. ISP. Indy4indy. Salvo and all the rest of them won’t get enough votes. The dafties will keep voting for the SNP. The incoming white settlers and no surrender unionists will vote reform. Short of an uprising, it’s over. We are pissing in the wind
What the heck, I’ll bite.
In each constituency, the Indy aspiring voters need to vote for whichever party (doesn’t matter which one) looks to be currently polling in second place behind the SNP or Greens.
That will turn the second place into a first and consign the SNP or Green MSP to history’s bulging dustbin.
The ONLY exception can be in a constituency where a real Indy party, not SNP or Green, is already in first place. Vote for that one.
And NO, that won’t return a pro-Indy HR majority.
But YES, it will clear the way for a new pro-Indy party to form (or an existing real pro-Indy party to grow), having in the back of its collective mind that henceforth pro-Indy Scots aren’t going to settle for decades of time-servers taking the piss at Scotland’s expense.
And YES, it will be 5 years before most of us get a chance to vote for that mew party.
But seriously, nobody believes if Scots don’t do this that the next 5 years are going to amount to anything anyway.
That’s exactly right Hatey – the route to independence is much more difficult with a moribund SNP sucking in the energy of the independence movement and producing nothing to show for it. Until and unless it is radically changed or replaced the cause of independence is on ice, so voting against the SNP is by far the best strategy even if it’s a tough pill to swallow. Of course the unionist parties will proclaim that the Indy cause is dead as a result, but bluntly it’s dead now as things are. At least this will give the movement the opportunity for a fresh start.
BB, HMcH and A;
Well thank you for your responses.
Several vary slightly, but the bottom line appears that we are supposed to vote for anybody but the SNP.
Sturgeon’s sins included not engaging with succession management, like that which she benefited from.
The result: yes, the parties gubbed.
The Greens are just the political freaks they have made no attempt to hide for years.
But why vote for 2nd on the ballot when these by default are Unionist of varying colours and the reticence to name WHO exactly IS the new (presumably “mew” was a typo) independence party and why the secret squirrel about saying who this could, should, can or will be?
No?
Bizarre, especially on an independence website.
The “SNP must die” with no discussion about succession is simply the Unionist playlist that wants rid of independence and couldn’t give 2 hoots that no successor party is even, and most certainly should never be discussed.
At least AE (eventually) said an absence of genuine candidates should lead to spoilt ballot papers.
Voting for 2nds on the list is simply a spurious Unionist longstanding ploy to get themselves into power, a “generation” will revert to “never again” and the same old going nowhere stuck to the hull of a post imperial hulk like a limpet as it sinks/ becomes increasingly internationally irrelevant other than to become lap dogs to the US; (but certainly absolutely no one on the Eurasian landmass where the “great game” has been played out for hundreds of years).
Problem is; the Donald is going back 130 years or so, turning his back on Europe having scared us into spending what was previously squandered as the “peace dividend” and him focussing bit by bit on the Pacific rim.
That’s where things are going now the Hebes and camel jockeys have been restrained, Ivan has been drained in a proxy war and the Donald gets to focus on the massive area the US created their little post Spanish war empire of their own and are now revisiting on a greater scale..
Lochy at last, someone else asking the naysayers and yoonionist Scotland haters who they would vote for in the 2026 election
The well used alert readers pish will realise that Well before the last 2021 election the same posters were saying the exact same thing, voting for the snp is a waste of time and anyone doing so needs their heids examined , they were all denigrating and deriding posters telling them to get aff their lazy arses an dae sumfin , Hatey said exactly that to me and I replied that I had no problem daen that and would do it immediately after he did it , I personally spoiled my ballot
I proposed on here forming a collective WARNING MESSAGE to the snp and sturgeon that could be signed by everyone, that unless she concentrated on independence instead of her deviant policies then people would not vote for the snp , I asked various bloggers on their sites including Stuart Campbell, I even sent him personal messages , if they would host a downloadable form on their site that people could sign and send to their respective representatives, I got two responses to my request, from Iain Lawson and Roddy McLeod both declined, Stuart Campbell didn’t even have the courtesy to respond
The Franchise Fanny repeatedly goes on about a plebiscitery election as if he has discovered penicillin, posters including myself had been pushing the idea of a plebiscitery election on WOS since 2015 , everyone including Alex Salmond and Stuart Campbell ignored the suggestion , much later Alex Salmond introduced the idea of a supermajority of indy parties in HR
How many times has Stuart Campbell been asked (begged) by numerous posters either to start a political party or to stand for election , after Alex Salmond formed ALBA would have been a perfect time for Stuart to launch his political expertise for independence
Instead we have had a further 10 years of misery , corruption and deviant policies
Stuart Campbell has exposed and posted numerous times the only way forward for independence is to destroy the current snp and its vile fakery , and to await the birth of a NEW independence party
YET when one has been formed consisting of REAL independence FIGHTERS with true grit and determination who are intent on using their own funding to challenge the hegemony of the snp grifters he IGNORES them and turns away from them preferring to use his blog advertising Reform
The Scotland haters take great delight in denigrating and deriding Liberate Scotland telling all how they will never amount to anything and that no one has even heard of them and they are as the Franchise Fanny posts nothing but SCHEMIES how very middle class , I would like to see him repeat that retort in an Edinburgh pub
They use these accusations in fear that Liberate Scotland will gain some traction and show what can be done by SCHEMIES to run things properly , they prefer their middle class fannies who share a brain between ten of them and can only do what their party leader tells them
Their stupidity is highlighted when they are willing to settle for the MORONIC DROSS infecting ALL political parties, every one of them destroying the economy and standards of living , they refuse to accept that things MUST change and for that to happen the old tired and corrupt establishment fuckwits need ejected
But NAW don’t vote LS they might introduce DIRECT DEMOCRACY where we the people might have a say in the running of our country and who knows we might even be able to EJECT them when they do wrong
@twathater
Every gardener knows what to do if you have a precious, little sapling struggling to grow because it is overshadowed, crowded out and starved of moisture and nutrients by a big tree.
You grit your teeth and take an axe to the big tree.
“YET when one has been formed consisting of REAL independence FIGHTERS with true grit and determination who are intent on using their own funding to challenge the hegemony of the snp grifters he IGNORES them and turns away from them preferring to use his blog advertising Reform”
You keep going on about these dedicated independence fighters but bluntly from where I’m sat they are by far and away even more moribund than even the SNP. At least the SNP have people out there in the media making arguments and campaigning. Sitting at home doing nothing is not “grit and determination” and despite what you seem to think, nobody having heard of them IS a big problem for a party in democratic politics.
I’m happy to talk about succession planning and what that looks like, but the question you asked was who to vote for. Someone (or persons plural) needs to take the reins and follow a serious strategy, that means forming coalitions across civil society, business, academia etc. raising money, constantly being on the TV and podcasts etc taking on unionist media and politicians. In then means getting into Holyrood and running the Scottish government competently for a while to demonstrate to the Scottish people they are up for the task.
It does not mean developing legal “cunning plans” to try and persuade some court somewhere to annul the treaty of union or coming up with ever wilder and more eccentric conspiracy theories around the treaty or proposing to throw large numbers of voters off the electoral roll. None of that will achieve anything.
@ John Main 7.15am REAL independence supporters know that the big tree snp has to be chopped down to ensure that the NEW vibrant shoots of new governance will grow and improve
BUT who are the new shoots, is it reform the already caught lying corrupt mirror image of what we already have , or is it an unknown group of individuals sick of supporting and voting for lying sacks of incompetent excrement and trying to rescue Scotland and independence from any further destruction
Every mainstream party started as unknowns with baby steps, Liberate Scotland will be no different given the chance, but what I will say is there is more determination , honesty and integrity in LS than there is in all of the establishment parties , LS have a mountain to climb and very little time to do so but the choices are obvious
1/ vote snp for more DEVOLUTION,lies, deviants,perverts,gross incompetence,FAILED promises
2/ vote Labour (see above)as snp
3/ vote Lib Dumbs (see above ) as snp
4/ vote ALBA who have already adopted the snp sect 30 begging bowl
5/ vote Reform who have already lied and backpedalled on their promises, and who are more likely to push legislation through WM to OUTLAW Scottish independence , they also want to SELL THE NHS to parasite investors
6/ vote Liberate Scotland a unified collection of individuals who believe in Scotland and Scots and who want our abundant resources to benefit the people of Scotland NOT other countries
7/ spoil your ballot paper by saying NONE OF THE ABOVE
8/Abstain from voting
Given the chance it will be Liberate Scotland for me
@TH you acknowledge the SNP tree has to come down BUT you’re avoiding the kind of coordinated action required to make that happen. Liberate Scotland aren’t going to get anything more than a tiny number of votes and therefore make no difference. By voting against the SNP you could be part of a relatively small number of people who deprive an SNP MSP of their seat.
Consider if you lived in Ayr, the MSP has the slimmest majority in Holyrood at 170 votes. If 85 people voted Liberate vs SNP the last time, then all other things being equal the SNP holds the seat. If however they tactically vote against the SNP, that’s one less seat for the SNP. Appreciate that’s the slimmest majority example, but you can see the point.
@ Aiden 7.07pm you and others including Stuart Campbell talk of coordinated action to bring down the snp, in your and others opinion that coordinated action means voting for Reform to possibly install them as the next SG
Reform just like Liberate Scotland have not had the experience of governing Scotland , and so are unknowns relating to governance of the country , but in the areas where Reform candidates have been elected their competence , longevity and integrity have been shown to be abysmal , with many of their candidates either resigning or being thrown out
You also deride and demean Liberate Scotland for being unknowns and lacking in publicity and media interaction , are you surprised or naive , when the Brutish establishment and its willing puppets in the bbc and broader MSM do everything in their power to undermine and sabotage anything positive about the independence movement , FFS even WOS Stuart Campbell the supposed premier independence blogger and website owner for independence ignores the existence of Liberate Scotland
Reform on the other hand also being an unknown has received enormous amounts of publicity and media exposure from all broadcasters and media outlets , with most elevating them to being the next WM government espousing their grandiose policies of stopping immigration , which they have already reneged on , FFS even WOS Stuart Campbell has given them copious amounts of exposure whilst at the same time repeatedly telling us gormless readers that there is fuck all happening in Scottish politics that is worthwhile commenting about
The public is being manipulated and brainwashed by the establishment through the media that Reform is the answer to all our problems , Breaking News They are NOT , they are just another bunch of self serving greed driven arseholes , a mirror reflection of what we already have in abundance
Voting for Reform is just like voting for the snp , YOU are just giving these fuckwits permission to shite all over YOU for at least the next FIVE years
@TH I don’t know where you’ve got this idea from that I’m going around saying that everyone should vote Reform or that we should have a reform government in Holyrood. I’ve never said either of those things because I don’t think either of those things.
I’ve speculated a few times about what I think a significant Reform presence in Westminster could mean for Scottish politics, but that’s not the same as saying I endorse them! So let’s be clear, I do not think Reform either understand or are all that interested in Scotland. I think they are far more interested in the Senedd this year. I also think they have no chance of forming a government in Holyrood. However, if the challenger to your local SNP candidate is Reform in that circumstance you should vote for them.
Banging on about the mainstream media just isn’t good enough. If Liberate were serious they’d have the contact details of every significant journalist in Scotland and be pestering them continually to be interviewed or to commentate on Scottish politics. Even Liberate’s own website is a joke, there is nothing under “News”, and looking at the “meet the team” section you would think it’s a debt collection agency.
I’m not “denigrating” Liberate, I’m simply pointing out what is blinding obvious for everyone to see. Liberate are not a player in Scottish politics and by voting for them you are potentially prolonging the agonising death of the SNP.
H McH @ 7.15
I am not adverse to analogies or metaphors, but:
1. The mature tree would have to be rotten/ deadwood
AND
2. The sapling would have to have taken root and showing visible robust signs of growth.
So, how does voting for no. 2 Unionist parties, combined with deliberately/ effectively keeping the acorns in your pocket and not in the ground help the case of independence, as opposed to, ahem, the cause of Unionism?
I thought everybody here already agreed the mature tree (the SNP) IS rotten deadwood.
The sapling (LS or similar) will never root as long as the mature tree crowds it out. Destroy the SNP and the drive for Indy won’t go away – it’ll move elsewhere to a new party or an existing small one that will consequently grow.
As I wrote, this needs at least one election cycle (5 years) to happen. This kind of thinking should have happened 5, maybe 10, years ago.
Here’s another tree analogy: the best time to plant a tree is 30 years ago. The second best time is now.
H McH @ 9.53
We are in rare agreement.
I revert to my original “beef” then, the fact this site pays no attention whatsoever to potential successor parties/ “saplings” makes no sense for the future of the independence cause.
Proactive as opposed to reactive.
Having had the time this morning to follow this discussion, I too am in agreement with Aidan and Hatey.
Wonders never cease 😉
Tactical voting is the only way we can attempt to remove this criminal mafia masquerading as a government.
Young Lochinvar:
“I revert to my original “beef” then, the fact this site pays no attention whatsoever to potential successor parties/ “saplings” makes no sense for the future of the independence cause.
Proactive as opposed to reactive.”
I would argue that demolition squads ARE proactive. I’ve spoken about this before on here, but I don’t see how this site can demolish whilst simultaneously build. For the work of this site to be most effective it has to have a mono-focus. Mixed messaging would be counter-productive.
Other websites can do the work, or should be doing the work, of broadcasting/promoting the successor saplings. As it is, many of us talk about the saplings in the BTL comments, so readers will be aware of their existence, negating any requirement for them being the focus of articles on WoS.
We have extremely poor interviewers in Scotland, he’s ask the question only for swinney to take over the conversation.
The question the interview should have asked, don’t you believe it would make more sense to go directly to the PM and ask if a section 30 order would be granted if the SNP won a majority. Because if you did you’d be given the Scottish people answer to the question before the election and would put the SNP in a better position for the election.
Theirs smell fear in the leadership of the SNP, at last. For Swinney to come out and blatantly lie shows how worried the SNP is about losing the election.
Here is a party who’s cure voters would rather stay at home than go out and vote for the SNP when the voters just don’t trust me and with good reason.
The SNP and Greens live up to the words of Thomas Sowell:
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”
Not hilarious but duplicitous.
Swinney answered a question he wasn’t asked.
The ONLY guarantee he can give in the event of a near impossible scenario is to request a Section 30 order.
Vote SNP? Haud me back.
Swinney answering a question he wasn’t asked?
The great political comedy “Yes, Prime Minister” had Jim Hacker telling Bernard Wooley: “Never answer a question you don’t want to answer.” He advised Wooley that in politics, say only what you want to say, regardless of the question asked.
Swinney is living up to tv’s laugh lines.
Cynicus,
How can Swinney ask for a section 30 order after the election when his plan is to get a majority for the SNP only and win a out right majority of seats.
Of course John will have someone to blame, but it won’t be the British state he’ll blame. It’ll be the voters who didn’t back his plan. Its all been designed to make Scotland look like idiots and Swinney knows it.
100%Yes says:
7 January, 2026 at 1:33 pm
“Cynicus,
How can Swinney ask for a section 30 order after the election when his plan is to get a majority for the SNP only and win a out right majority of seats.”
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You actually believe what Swinney says? That makes you something of a rarity hereabouts.
I’ m tempted to turn your post into a non-fungible token and put it up for auction on eBay
Like wings is saying, the percentages isn’t for the SNP. So why put out a plan for Independence and tell voters who’d rather stay at home than go out and vote for the SNP, your vote will not be counted if you vote for any other party other than the SNP.
If the SNP is on 30% and united the people to get behind an Indy plan that included if a majority of voters vote for any Independence supporting party, then this will be a majority for Independence, then the SNP just might have success. But they would have to also specify what the SNP would do if Westminster says “no”.
Eleven years of this endless talking shop on Independence is enough to drive anyone mad. It wouldn’t be too bad if it was just the SNP who was conning us but its also the other biggest voices in the movement.
The reason the voters don’t want to come and vote is because of the politicians we have. You can’t keep lying, changing policies when your elected or being corrupt and not to expect a backlash. The SNP is making its self more and more irrelevant and that a bad place for any party.
We keep here how Mr Swinney is a nice guy, how nice guys are prepared to go on national TV and lie their arse off without even blinking a eye, John can.
I wrote to my MSP following the pantomime meeting of the Equalities, Human Rights and Justice Committee to consider a (failed ) motion to remove M Chapman from the committee due to her disgraceful conduct and words after FWS ruling . I received no reply. I also wrote to the Standards Committee following their recent decision to recommend sanction of Ms Regan . I pointed out as Rev Stu’s piece highlights that the behaviour of Chapman to any reasonable observer surely falls far short of that expected of a parliamentarian but went unsanctioned. I also highlighted other instances of complaints being made public before consideration by the Committee -which were reported in mainstream press at the time in the same vein as the Conservative MSP highlighted by Stu- who had had no action taken against them. The demonstrable unfairness and inconsistency in applying sanctions serves only to undermine public trust in the Scottish parliament . And then along comes the Constance debacle ….and the cycle repeats ( ad nauseam)
@ J Robertson: well done for writing to your MSP and to the Standards Committee. If no-one tells them, they will think they have got away with it completely. And it will give them a moment’s discomfort at least.
A vote for the SNP is a wasted vote because after the election the SNP will not use the vote you gave on May 7th 2026 to change anything.
We just do not have democracy in Scotland yes we can vote for a party and have lots of choices but that it.
Scotland can’t decide anything about Scotland or our people and that’s all down to the SNP they own it.
The SNP doesn’t want independence,if you, or anyone else, honestly wants independence why would you vote SNP? Administrative fecklessness and serial foolishness, not to mention a complete lack of political nous and courage are so deeply ingrained within this irreformable gang as to be totally absent. Let’s tell the creeps so.
Am not, and never will again. Let the party die.
He will for the umpteenth time ask the big bully not to be a big bully and if he doesn’t give
Scotland a referendum then he will be a big bully from a house full of big bullies.
We might get bullied if he takes offence at being called a big bully.
God Help Us!
“a shameful day” in a shameful chamber.
‘Shameful’ primarily because we ken the UK ‘union’ is a charade, it disna exist; so we hiv a ‘wee pretendy’ parliament owerseen by a sovereign parliament in anither kintra, England.
And we hiv a ‘Scottish’ Executive/’Government’, which is noo the colonizer’s preferred mode of ‘Indirect Rule’ ower us; efter near 300 year o a Westminster Governor General (i.e. Direct Rule) sittin in London, or sometimes Bute Hoose.
Which explains the peculiar behaviour of what passes for Scotland’s political ‘elite’; the latter, when takkin thair oath and choosing “to protect only the interests of the colonizer” (Memmi), means by implication that they are required “to sacrifice” the true interests of the colonized people and nation. (Besides fae the odd wee crumb tae gie us the impression oor protector haes some human values an cares aboot us).
The reality is oor political ‘leaders’ canna ser twa maisters – i.e. Scotland and England – for thay aye luve ane an laith the ither, much as we see in a plundered, under-developed Scotland.
As Cesaire telt us – colonialism involves “hateful racism”; an us Scots fowk suffer fae it ivvery day in aw weys an mair. Not least in having to watch the Holyrood circus full of clowns masquerading as a national parliament whilst keeping the Anglo colonial racket going.
Britain will support the US in its humanitarian responsibility to protect the human rights of indigenous aboriginal peoples from the imperialist danish regime; the royal navy will bombard Copenhagen, commandos steal the little mermaid. This is an anti imperialist struggle for freedom.
– payback for the Danelaw ya bass
In a first strike against the rebellious running dogs of NATO, the US will – turn their weapons off; F35s, bricked, satellite comms, C3I assets offline, drones reset. Danes now raiding museums to grab battleaxes and watching re-runs of “Vikings” to refresh themselves with – the shield wall, and how to get your hair and tattoos looking cool. Only the french have independent weapon systems, but are too pre occupied with north african mystery meat blade merchants shitting up every inch of their country.
Big opportunity for Scotland here – in exchange for recognition of our statehood, Scotland will send an army to smash the Dane, battle of largs and all that.
– they had it coming.
4-2, cunts
Borgen was a war crime, on its own. Some people say the fight could be a tough one, plucky Denmark resisted the might wehrmacht for about 6 full hours, even the americans should do them in 7 or 8.
When you are in the mood for something, you need to let it flow … didn’t the yanks try to grab Canada in 1812 or thereabouts, and this time lost to the redcoats who burned the whitehouse (snigger) – I think they could be next.
Then the UK, once trump learns of the 511B barrels of oil in “UK” antarctic territory. Penguins don’t drive SUVs, so get in there.
That pretendy Scottish parliament is showing the true purpose for what it was set up to do when the time was right,
Block Scots from gaining independence when they gained near the 50% mark.
Sent to Scotland under the Acts and legislation of Westminster parliament, ran mainly by Civil servants..
Pulling the plug on the pretence of a fair or democratic voting system set up for Scotland and a supposed second parliament of the first Great Britain.
Without doubt it would pay dividends to have a real Scottish parliament Set up by the Scottish people, with no reserved matters held back for the bespoke Westminster parliament of Englands imitation treaty,
These politicians that are repeatedly arranged as politicians and leaders for Scotland would have to learn how to fly prior to wipeing the boot prints of their behinds.
If only Scotland had a Scottish parliament…maybe soon, Scotland is slowly waking up,
The transcult staffers rule the roost at Holyrood,
every vote,policy,grant,committee decision and color of toilet paper will be vetted by trans staffers,
the reason for `SNP both votes` is the staffers don`t want a Gov dependent on a party that are non believers in the cult.
It`s John Wyndham`s, The Midwich Cuckoos.
Alf Baird.
The devolved parliament under Westminster along with the treaty of union is like one of those big Scams,
Except no one has called this one out yet, but for a few, hopefully the nation gets
wise before they lose everything.
If a lie is told big enough, loud enough, repeated often then the scam can be highly successful on many victims.
Scot Finlayson,
Pretty accurate analyses,
I believe the Civil Servants are being challenge for parading in the trans marches while on duty as civil servants according to the news reports.
Not exactly un-bias to the mass populations in their actions while receiving tax payers finances,
The SNP are doing the job it was meant to do, with the support and assistance of those other political parties that vote or abstain.
It makes them appear useless and incompetent, not able to run a river down hill,
If the aim is to close the pretendy Scottish parliament once it has served the purpose it was set up to do.
Then Scotland should be prepared.
A trip down memory lane…
Gordon Dangerfield: Law, Culture and Politics (17 Oct 2020)
« STURGEON: “JE RECUSE” »
« What is undoubtedly the case is that when a woman, Nicola Sturgeon, wants to abdicate her responsibilities, it’s often a man, John Swinney, who is wheeled in to help her out with that. »
link to gordondangerfield.com
Without a doubt she the cause of everything! Trying saying that to the individuals who read the national you’ll be accused of being an unionist for your troubles in trying to educate.
I have never in my life come across individuals who claim to want Independence but apposes any meaningful suggestion in getting it, unless it comes from the SNP.
I woke up this morning with the dim Scottish sunset… shining in.
Then I found my nation in a brown paper bag… in a rubbish bin.
I tripped on a cloud and fell eight mile high.
Tore my freedom vote on a jaggy sky.
Then I just dropped in to see what condition Scotland’s condition was in.
After singing ma ain version o THAT song a few times in a paraphrased fashion in ma ain heid I did THIS:
None o that really happened, of course… I just made it up – apart from the song playin’ in ma heid.
NOTE: Thanks to Mickey Newbury for ‘allowing’ me to paraphrase his braw song “Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)”… a psychedelic rock song; recorded in 1967 by Jerry Lee Lewis and backed by the braw vocal soonds of the Memphis Boys.
I think it was the “Kenny Rogers and The First Edition” version that was used in the filum, The Big Lebowski (1998), but I’m not certain.
The song popped in tae ma heid because it’s a song about the effects of Lysergic acid diethylamide (commonly known as LSD, from German Lysergsäurediethylamid, and by the slang names acid and lucy)… and living in Scotland the noo feels like a mind-warping, super-bad acid trip I had back in the early 1970s to the Tangerine Dream sounds of their album “Phaedra”.
A trip that lasted for three hunner year, and mibbe a wee bit mair, but was really only 18 hours – 18 hours, tho, is a fucking lifetime or ten when wanderin’ aboot explorin’ the eerie dripping wet caverns of a Phaedra-induced bad trip tae anither very strange and terrifying world.
Raquel Welch dressed as she was in the 1966 movie “One Million Years BC” kept me company, tho… so it wisnae aw bad.
Good stuff Northcode. Best Post of the day. We need to get lives. And that’s the great success of the execrable snp and most particularly swiny and fishy, boring us to the point of dumping them entirely. Probably destroying the parliament forever its so hated. I will wish on all those responsibe nasty, painful, lingering death.
2nd best post of the day Duncan, and how could the low grade human dross, Swinney and Sturgeon do what they have done to this country and its parliament? They don’t give a fuck about anything bar status and money and are both conscienceless. They really do not care at all and they do not believe in anything.
Thank the Guid Lord ye’re OK, Northy.
Those reports that you were last seen, erse painted blue, clad in kilt and tam o’ shanter, running barefoot through the heather screaming “Claymore!”, had the regulars worried you would turn up in Intensive Care, gibbering and jabbering in the grip of the hallucinogenic fever that accompanies a case of severe pneumonia.
Anyhoo, while you was “oot yer heid”, you missed Scotland’s traditional Christmas celebrations – the ones all True Sovereign Scots observe in opposition to the alien, foreign 25th December date imposed on us by the aggressive, imperialist coloniser.
Maybe next year, eh?
Every day a School Day.
Turns out it has been really quite easy to stop boats, even humongous ones, all along.
All that’s really needed is the will to stop them.
Ah who cares about our pretend wee parliament
I read this evening that the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force have been action noarding and taking over s Russian oil tanker in waters between Scotland and Iceland.
With the Americans threatening to sink the vessel because it was carrying oil from Venezeula to Russia looks like Britain is itching to have a go with Russia.
Won’t be long I suspect till Scotland will have the pride and honour of playing its proud part in what most certainly looks like an inevitable conflagration
.
With all our submarine and air bases the UK knows it can depend on brave Scotland to do its duty. And not a cheep from the SNP as assets from Scotland engage.
Orcland is hoaching with oil. They don’t need to import it from Venezuela (unless the Ukie sabotage/destruction campaign has been way more effective than we’re being told).
The tanker was, in any case, empty. Pictures make that very clear.
But the Orcs were dispatching assets to try to stop an empty, old, rusty piece of scrap from being seized. Alert observers are wondering why.
Some believe the ship was carrying weapons, perhaps Iranian, but under Orc protection, to Venezuela. In which case this could be shaping up for a re-run of Cuba in 1962.
Scots have got very short memory’s. At the last Westminster election, on the night of the vote, Angus Robertson made it clear that the SNP would work with the labour party if they won the election and on the same knight when all these Westminster SNP MP’s were fallen one by one. John Swinney wasn’t in any way upset by the loses of his MP’s rather he was saying he wanted both government to work together and that’s what he’s been doing ever since.
The tone will change from the SNP at the next Westminster election because if Reform wins the SNP is toast.
Scots should know how Venezuelan’s feel about losing control of their oil resource. For over 30 years Anglo-American oil corporations raided Scotland’s part of the North Sea, enabled by our colonial masters in Westminster. Hence zero oil royalties for Scotland.
By holding on to its sovereignty and with a state-owned oil company Norway managed to avoid the same colonial plunder and is now $2 trillion better off, plus has a fully modern national infrastructure, high standard of living and a happy people. Colonial Scotland remains under-developed by comparison and with just half the GDP-per-capita.
As Aime Cesaire wrote: “American domination – the only domination from which one never recovers. I mean from which one never recovers unscarred.”
When you hear, it up to Greenland and Denmark surely its up to the Inuit to decide the colonial masters based in Denmark.
“the only domination from which one never recovers. I mean from which one never recovers unscarred”
Aye, Alf, it’s impossible to spend even half an hour in Kiev without hearing somebody say that. Warsaw, Tallin, Riga and Vilnius too.
As it happens, they never say “American”, as you well know.
You need to start distancing yourself from that Cesaire boy. His Negritude movement is inherently alien, foreign, and implacably hostile to all True, Sovereign Scots.
And it’s shite to boot.
“His Negritude movement is inherently alien, foreign, and implacably hostile to all True, Sovereign Scots”
Cesaire acknowledged that our national and cultural affinities are above all a matter of feeling, of emotion; and, as Fanon noted “independence is a cultural emotion” and therefore liberation is “a fight for a national culture”.
But Cesaire also recognised the political aspect of the colonial ideology of domination, writing that:
“Negritude was part of the left (but) I never thought for a moment that our emancipation could come from the right”.
Which also relates to Fanon’s thesis that independence is neither “a matter of left or right, nor of socialism versus capitalism”. Independence is fundamentally about a colonized people getting “rid of a racist system of oppression and exploitation” (Memmi).
Yes, both Cesaire and Senghor initially thought liberation of the colonized placed them on the left, but the mistake they admitted to was “they refused to see the black question as simply a social question”.
As we see in Scotland, “it is because the relationships between consciousness and reality are complex” and obscured in a colonial society, and remembering that “colonialism is a disease of the mind” (Memmi), that at the time of liberation:
“..it is equally necessary to decolonize our minds, our inner life, at the same time that we decolonize society” (Depestre)
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Depestre and Senghor.
Acknowledged as Scots in these tourist shops on the Royal Mile that will run up an over-priced kilt for any gullible tourist from bogus tartans woven in factories in darkest Covid Spreader Land.
Recognised as alien, foreign imports by everybody else in Scotland, excepting possibly Professor Baird.
“Recognised as alien, foreign imports by everybody else in Scotland”
That sounds awfu like British Exceptionalism, Hatey.
Intellectual excellence is hardly limited only to our imposed Anglo cultural hegemony. And I’m not to blame for the chronic under-representation and lack of Scots academics employed by ‘Scottish’ universities. Which incidentally helps explain the absence of anti-colonial literature here in the auld colony.
Postcolonial theory looks like it is going to be even more relevant now that Anglo-American Imperialism is on the march again and looking for new spoils. And many people around the world are coming to appreciate that colonialism ‘is primarily about economic plunder’ (Memmi).
Big question for Scots is, when will the colonial penny finally drap?
Naw, Alf, I’m not about to take lessons from the kind of people who would be implacably hostile to me, simply because of my race and colour – white.
You feel free to hold them up as superior – I guess it makes you feel better.
It’s you who likes to post about alien, foreign values and ideas, and how we Scots need to rid ourselves of them. For these boys, I’m taking your advice.
Can I also point out that as an academic you seem remarkably unaware of what the “post” means in any term using it. You write that imperialism is on the March again, as if the past 4 years in Eastern Europe have never happened, then try to claim it’s all predicted by post colonialism.
It’s pre colonialism until a place is colonised, then it’s just colonialism.
In a land of a million Hateys and Alf the boss had been bombing and slaughtering them for eight years you’d sit by and watch?
What a winner!
Who’d be Hatey?
I’m still getting a good laugh at your yappy wee sidekick Insider by the way with his “listen son…” “hey son…”. Son this son that…laughing.
Oh but don’t stop now Hatey or you’ll lose face…
Postcolonial theory is actually a reflection of what happens during the period of colonialism. It is essentially looking back, after the events, procedures, impacts etc that occurred during colonialism.
Which is helpful in the sense that we therefore know what to expect under colonial domination; and we also know the only remedy too – i.e. liberation and the removal of the colonizer; or, what happens if colonialism is permitted to continue, where the people are assimilated and their culture perishes, and their identity and nation with it.
And where everyone becomes ‘British’ or ‘American’…..
I hope they grit the pavements around yours soon, Dave.
You need to get out of the house!
Good stuff Northcode. Best Post of the day. We need to get lives. And that’s the great success of the execrable snp and most particularly swiny and fishy, boring us to the point of dumping them entirely. Probably destroying the parliament forever its so hated. I will wish on all those responsibe nasty, painful, lingering death.
It’s amazing how long it has taken for people on here to recognise how useless and crap Holyrood and the SNP are.
Holyrood was the stepping stone to Independence. Now its the vehicle which the SNP uses to stop Independence, with the Scotland act and one particular section 30 order to deny us that stepping stone.
I see Hatey’s still continuing with nazi terminology to describe and dehumanise a multitude of ethnic groups within a sovereign state.
Just like nazis referred to their victims as ‘units, the Japanese to their victims as ‘sticks’ Hatey’s (and some others here) on the bandwagon with ‘orcs’
I can well imagine him in position as a concentration camp commandant and wonder how he’d describe Scottish dissidents, Jews Romany homosexuals and the many other undesirables he’d love to oversee the destruction of.
Who’d be Hatey?
Daves, Dave.
I’d call them Daves and I’d describe them as Daves.
As a True Sovereign Scot, the ladies, as in traditional Scottish custom, would be Davinas.
I wasn’t looking for a reply but you couldn’t help yourself eh. It just demonstrates how supremely stupid you are.
Like I said, who’d be Hatey?
That’s rhetorical by the way but feel free to reply and further your stupidity rating. On you go.
“demonstrates how supremely stupid you are”
That’s going in the book, Dave.
When I’m “concentration camp commandant” “oversee[ing] the destruction of” the Daves, you’ll rue this day.
Incidentally, how will somebody as “supremely stupid” as myself come to be “concentration camp commandant” in the first place? The German system run by Himmler was a model of meritocratic, efficient resource extraction, through the seizure of wealth, the appropriation of assets, the forced labour of the victims, right down to the extraction of any valuables from their corpses – filled teeth and useful hair, for example.
The “supremely stupid” were allowed to beat up the inmates, but little more, and anything too excessive was discouraged on the basis it worked against the overall profitability of the very profitable operation that it actually was.
You haven’t thought this through, Dave.
A masterclass on the master race. What a winner!
Who’d be Hatey?
“DaveL”
Give up son !
You’re way, way out of your depth !
I’m just laughing at you ya cunt. You’d be Hatey eh. Laughing!
Anyone else?
Bwuhahahahahaha!
Hey! This is fun. Must do more.
They do say laughter is the best medicine. “They” being the people who have never tried Class A narcotics.
A Parliament majority is the only majority that matters and it doesn’t matter whether it is won on 30% of the vote or 70%. If it were democratic to dismiss a result because more people didn’t vote for it than did, there would be no MPs or MSPs and democracy would never get anything done.
You know this, Stu, so it is horribly disingenuous every time you cite the contrary scenario as “democratic”.
Just because a system is run with a minority vote having a majority of seats doesn’t make it right, nor democratic. It’s a rotten system and should be called out whenever it happens.
“It’s a rotten system and should be called out whenever it happens”
Indeed, and many people in Venezuela, Greenland, in Scotland and most members of the UN would agree that colonialism is ‘a violation of human rights’, ‘a crime against humanity’, and ‘a scourge that must be ended’ (UN).
And this applies, as the UN decision on the invalid Falklands/Malvinas referendum demonstrated, no matter how many of the colonized natives are left after colonialism has done its best to obliterate them.
Decolonization is never therefore simply a matter of ‘democracy’, however defined.
If British Labour`s Starmer,Marcon,Ursula try and force a war with Russia,would USA be prepared to intervene.
Europe combined has biggest conventional army in the world.
But Russia has biggest nuclear arsenal.
Cause we relied on US arsenal.
If Russia limited their nukes to Europe would USA see this as not crossing the line to fire their nukes.
Does Europe possess the defence systems to stop Russian nukes and could Russian defence systems stop any nukes from Europe.
And would Russia first strike be Faslane Clyde.
Better Together.
The biggest offence is calling it Scotland parliament.
It is anything but a fully functioning parliament of Scotland with all these reserved, limits boundaries one way, and restrictions along with road block Civil servants and branch offices.
Scotland voted for it when it was sold as a pup, before reality came a calling.
Very similar to the treaty of union sales man speil.
But then neither of those sales contracts were sold in retrospect due to the fraudulent nature and dishonesty promised and involved.
Since 2015 I have drawing attention to both faux parliaments in Scotland and England,
I posted and reported on Wings of ex labour members within the SNP stating while campaigning on the streets for SNP that their goal was to remove Sovereignty from the people in Scotland over into Holyrude.
I thought in may take awhile for the messages to Spread through the grass roots for Scottish independence.
It has taken a exceptionally long time,
Now I inform Others in Scotland where the lies and deceit hide in the treaty of union,
I have played devils advocate side and the victim of the hoax being perpertrated.
The only ones, whom have have cottoned on to the lies and deceit of a union between Scotland and England are those actually people whom are afraid and will exposed,
And repeatedly try to dismiss, shout boring, old guff decry, scorn or attempt to get me banned from posting the information and records on Wings,
Are the regular and usual opposition to Scottish independence.
This should tell you all you need to know,
There are a few that the pennys dropped, that realisation and reality have occurred, one or two perhaps before me, and at the same time,
All of us together are but a handful, we need all the people and nation of Scotland to wake up from their dream world.
To check the small print, its a dodgy contract,
that was never completed,
It was improperly implemented,
altered after signed,
The dates and time lines have been altered,
each and every century.the so called union exposes itself like a pervert in higher society of the well payed.
Not by Scotland, or its non existent old Scottish parliament,
James Cheyne says:
8 January, 2026 at 12:09 am
The biggest offence is calling it Scotland parliament.
A fair point. In fairness, it was, of course, Alex Salmond who was responsible for changing the name of the Scottish Executive to the Scottish Parliament in 2007.
Sarah,
It does need calling out,
But the whole darn SCAM needs calling out and exposed for what it is by all of us in unison.
That is Scotland under one umbrella.
With the one aim to Liberate.
With the one aim to liberate Scotland via legalities I may add,
Holyrood is real enough.
But the Scottish people have elected pretendy MSP politicians, more interested in their perks than in governing effectively.
The SNP voters (most of the people commenting here voted SNP in the past) cannot disclaim responsibility for the people they elected.
From the commenters here, they agree that the micro-party “Liberate” (or whatever they’re calling themselves this week) is the only true Indy Party. The SNP isn’t one.
And “Liberate” is currently struggling to get 1% of the vote.
If 2026 is a “plebiscitary” election, as some claim, where does that leave the “Indy” cause, since only 1% of Scottish voters will be on record as supporting an Indy Party (and 99% won’t)? The result will be a disastrous embarrassment for the “Indy” cause.
Guardian Online is reporting Labour analysis of the effects of lifting the 2 child benefit cap.
If the cap was to be lifted only for households with two working parents born in the UK, that would benefit 3,700 households, less than 1% of the households that are actually going to benefit from a universal application of the new policy.
Have you worked out who the 99%+ are that lifting the cap is going to benefit yet?
Hint: It’s not indigenous, working Brits.
Keep on paying those taxes, suckers! Your WM government needs the money to keep your replacements comfortable.
Meanwhile ASDA and Tescopoly are still selling Yankee NAZI Booze.
I’m intrigued. What’s “Yankee NAZI Booze”?
What ever Yankee NAZI Booze you can only buy it at ASDA and Tescopoly, I might get a bottle.
Can’t you guess what Yankee Nazi Booze is Hatey?
I would have thought the word Yankee gives a very clear description.
I would have thought also that the policies of Herr Trump of the we want to rule our hemisphere, take Greenland, take Canada, take South America and destroy Russia, China, Iran and North Korea gives a hint.
And lastly, is Whisky spelled as Whiskey, a type of spirit drink made in the southern states of the USA a possible contender for the word booze.
But hey hoe maybe Yankee Nazi Booze means scnapps made in Germany by a company owned by a Chinese man (a Mr Yan kee ?) the more likely meaning.
I’m intrigued too that your good self is intrigued. And here was me thinking simply that it meant USA whiskey.
Certainly won’t be buying any good ol USA whiskey. Much better drinking Scotch whisky made at home. Far superior product aside of which why would you want to buy a foreign whisky from a foreign country that put absolutely huge import duties on Scottish produce.
The whisky experts talk of the legs of a dram.
You must be seeing raised right arms in your whiskey.
Maybe you can provide documentation to proves that Denmark has always owned Greenland.
Denmark was a colonizer of other country’s including stealing land from Inuits who are the one of original inhabitants of Greenland before Denmark set foot on Greenland.
If anyone had claim to Greenland its Saqqaq originally from Canada so really Canada owns Greenland and in no shape or form does Denmark have any legal right when its only occupied Greenland for the last 200yrs or so.
Inuits have a message “Greenland belongs to the Inuits” keir starmer stated the other day its up to Greenland and Denmark to decide Greenland fate, this was a statement from a country who is also a colonizer. So when Starmer made this statement he meant its up the colonizers who have settled in Greenland and for Denmark he’d doesn’t mean the true owners of Greenland the Saqqaq or Inuits.
Lets be perfectly clear here with Starmer statement as a colonizer he’s pointing out that Scotland fate is the same as the Inuits isn’t up to the original inhabitants but the colonizer.
We in Scotland should have had a reply from Swinney or The National putting out about Scotland cause both have been silent on this subject.
If you had any beef with anyone its Denmark, Denmark has no claim nor does England to Scotland and yet both the Scots and the Inuits have no say on their land or any form of democracy.
Weren’t the Vikings Danes?
Isn’t that why England paid Danegeld for so long – to buy off the Vikings?
Didn’t the Vikings own Greenland for quite some time? Back in the period of global warming when the island wasn’t covered in ice and snow but was green? Hence its name. Were there any seal hunting igloo dwellers there when there was no snow to make igloos?
Colonisation, eh? It’s a complex subject, not easily reduced to black and white.
Although the genocide of Scotland’s original inhabitants, the Picts, at the hands of the invading colonisers, the Scots, might be an exception to the rule.
Anybody ken any surviving, real Picts?
Maybes naw, eh?
I think the Innuits came in after the original Vikings’ descendants (Danes) perished because they couldn’t adapt.
So the Innuits would be the evil colonisers.
APEASEMENT of a bully results in more bullying, whether it’s Westminster, Trump, P***n or Xi.
The only person in Europe who appears to get that this latest yanki tactic is fundamentally a question of sovereignty and the status of «international law» is Marine Le Pen and she is prepared to say so.
Trump is a buccaneering business man, a chancer, he wants for America oil & rare earth deposits, he should be offered no chances, zilch, nada,
By the way, when the Vikings first made landfall on the green land it was uninhabited, just like Iceland but significantly not like the territory that became the USA.
But the yankis fixed that «problem»
TURABDIN,
Tomorrow you’ll be arguing that the Bagpipes were invented in Turkey, and you’d be wrong again.
link to en.wikipedia.org
“APEASEMENT of a bully results in more bullying, whether it’s Westminster, Trump, P***n or Xi.”
Aye, the colonial oppressor does what they want with other peoples and territories they annex and dominate. This includes militarily, economically, politically, culturally, psychologically, and more.
That’s colonialism, an whaur colonized Scots an ither doun-hauden fowks onywhair in the warld are makkit bystanders in thair ain laund.
Fowk should read up on the theory that defines oor reality, and explains what independence really means – i.e. decolonization:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Alf,
The Greenlanders where given a referendum and voted for Independence its Denmark who classed it as a overseas territory.
Denmark has no claim to Greenland and neither does the USA. It would appear both Scotland, Greenland along with Catalonia are colonialist provenances who just don’t have any rights and no form of democracy.
But lets STOP beating about the BUSH if Scotland held a legal vote tomorrow on Independence without Westminster approval, Denmark would be one of the first to declare the vote nil and stating it was carried out without Westminster approval.
I ask any sane person, how can a Country become Independent unless the colonizer gives consent. Well here is where our problems are Europe is a rotten cesspit of colonizers and will never give consent to lose what they believe they own.
My argument isn’t for the USA its against these colonizing Country’s who will not fave reality and that’s that they do not have any right to these lands and it needs to be return back to its original inhabitants.
Lets not feel sorry for Denmark, lets feel sorry for the Inuits and Greenland.
“Europe is a rotten cesspit of colonizers and will never give consent to lose what they believe they own.”
Yes, absolutely!
Colonialism is the same ‘scourge’ on ‘a people’ no matter whether it is English rule imposed over Scotland, France over New Caledonia, Denmark over Greenland, or Spain over Catalonia.
And, as we see, America is also still dominated by European colonial culture which confirms once more, if needed, that ‘colonialism is force’ (Fanon).
We have to hand it to Moscow, their former ‘union’ (empire) gave up and liberated a lot of national territories only for American and European colonizers to destabilize the ‘new’ borders and grab what they can.
If you were a paid actor, deliberately working for the British State, to destroy any faith in Scotland’s ability to govern itself, this is exactly how I would advise you to go about it.
Starmer also has the contradictory argument (based as human rights) to give away the Chagos Islands and pay reparations.for colonisation.
A strange settlement,
Which latterly America seems to agree with,
When observing his comments and stance over both lands they contradict each other and contradict the position of England holding Scotland a prisoner. Or Wales,
Ireland I am not sure on as the new UK agreement in 1801/ 02; had to dissolve the the Great Britain parliament between Scotland and England first in 1800, while acting as the Parliament of England as there was no Scottish parliament in 1800,
If the people living on the land or indigenous peopleto the lands are the ones you pay reparations too, then Scotland and Wales would certainly come under that classification.
Starmer the EU and UN could find them selves in a quandary over human rights. And Scotland alone.
Never a truer word spoken by Alf Baird when he says colonialism is force.
Just look at the history of the British Empire and you will see time after time, example after example what force means. But there will come a day when the force that the British Empire will come back to haunt.
I had high hopes for the Alba Party when it was formed. It seems my optimism was misplaced.
Would it not be a good idea for all the wee ‘Mickey Mouse’ independent parties to merge. They might even garner support from 1 or 2% of the electorate if they did!
My visits to Wings are becoming more sporadic, especially the comments section. A quick look reveals the usual dross from the likes of Cheyne and Baird. If anyone cared to look at posts from a year ago, 3 years ago, 5 years ago they would see the same repetitive bilge being spouted again and again.
Is it true that especially Cheyne and Baird do not need alcohol? I understand that they are able to get drunk on the fumes from their ignorance, bitterness and grievances!
What are the UN playing at? Is it now about time that they decreed that Scotland is now independent?
You’d be Hatey too eh.
Anyone else?
GREENLAND INDEPENDENCE.
from WIKI.
«A 2025 poll showed that a majority 84% of Greenlanders would support independence from Denmark, with 9% opposing. 61% opposed independence if it meant a lower standard of living, with 39% in favour. When asked in a binary choice between the USA and Denmark, 85% preferred to be part of Denmark with only 6% preferring the USA».
Independence is thus tied to living standards, rather like Scotland.
Factule….the Inuit reached the territory in circa 13c. well after the Norsemen.
America, this «claim» is an old one not just a Trump dream, wants the island for its resources and its strategic position. It would do to it what it has done to Alaska…..pollute.
“Search Assist
Early Inhabitants of Greenland
Initial Settlement
The first humans are believed to have arrived in Greenland around 2500 BCE.
These early inhabitants were part of the Saqqaq culture, which lasted until about 800 BCE.
Subsequent Cultures
After the Saqqaq culture, the Independence I culture emerged around 2400 BCE and lasted until 1300 BCE.
The Dorset culture followed, with the Late Dorset people settling around 700 CE.
Norse Exploration
Viking Arrival
Norse explorers, led by Erik the Red, settled in Greenland around 980 CE.
They established settlements in the southwestern part of the island, which was likely uninhabited at that time.
Disappearance of Norse Settlements
By the 15th century, Norse settlements disappeared, possibly due to climate changes and conflicts with the Inuit, who began to inhabit the areas previously occupied by the Norse.
Danish Claims
Colonial Period
Denmark-Norway reestablished contact with Greenland in 1721 through missionary efforts, focusing on converting the Inuit to Christianity.
Greenland was formally claimed by Denmark after the separation of Denmark and Norway in 1814.
Modern Status
Greenland was incorporated into Denmark in 1953 and has enjoyed home rule since 1979.”
Not quite sure what you’re saying there, sam, unless it’s that the descendants of the people who were there hundreds of years before Christ are the true owners of a land.
In which case, your conspicuous silence over the countless posts on here in favour of the Palestinian land thieves speaks volumes.
And what’s all this “BCE” shite about? Do the adherents to other religious traditions rush to change their ways of registering dates in case some permanently fault finding grievance mongers take a fit of the vapours?
Do they cocoa.
It’s BC and AD, sam. That’s our Scottish tradition, our religion, our history and our culture.
Get up off your knees, stop cringing, own it and be proud of it.
Hatey doesn’t believe silence speaks volumes at all. He’s certainly never tried it, It’s likely not in the nazi playbook. In fact just keep ranting until you’ve produced volumes and people believe you, that’s the game!
Who’d be Hatey?
Never trust a search assistant, on anything. The Ai trolls everything, including the non fact checked with which the internet is stacked, and relies heavily on Wiki.
The Saqqaq, now extinct are not related to the current Greenlandic Kalaalit people.
“The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.” – Aldous Huxley
Or, to paraphrase Auld Huxley, in the case of colonialism:
“The colonizer’s purpose is to make one people forget that another people are human.”
Anyway, enough of that stuff… let us discuss other stuff.
But first… three questions:
Is the world we now live in brave and new?
Or is it time for the sleepers to awake?
And if the sleepers awake… will they build a new brave new world?
A world without Trumpeters and other assorted mad musicians whose insanely tuneless orchestra is bangin’ oot a discordant tuneless tune using the beleaguered peoples of Earth as its wearied instruments?
H.G Wells of “War of the Worlds” and “The Time Machine” fame wrote other stuff tae… stuff that influenced quite a few famous authors yont him.
Aldous Huxley credited Wells’ “When the Sleeper Awakes” as being an influence when scribbling his well-known story “A Brave New World” ( yet another famous title took from words quilled by Shakespeare):
Will the Scots ever awake, I wonder… and if they do will they be brave enough to build a new world fir thersels fae the ruins o’ thair auld yin?
Shakespeare, Huxley, Wells.
Not one of them penned a single word of Scots in their entire life.
Sure you’re OK, Northy?
THE TIME MACHINE by H. G. WELLS
Beginning of Chapter 4:
« In another moment we were standing face to face, I and this fragile thing out of futurity. He came straight up to me and laughed into my eyes. The absence from his bearing of any sign of fear struck me at once. Then he turned to the two others who were following him and spoke to them in a strange and very sweet and liquid tongue. »
INNEAL NA TÌME (Gaelic translation by MORAY WATSON) –
« An ceann mòmaid eile bha sinn nar seasamh aghaidh ri aghaidh, mi fhèin ‘s an rud bristeach seo às an àm ri teachd. Thàinig e dìreach thugam agus rinn e gàire a dh’ionnsaigh mo shùilean. B’ e a mhothaich mi air làrach nam bonn nach robh sgeul air eagal sam bith na ghiùlan. An uair sin thionndaidh e gu dithis eile a bha ga leantainn is bhruidhinn e riutha ann an cainnt neònach is glè bhinn is siùbhlach. »
The Gaelic edition is available via Gaelic Books Council here:
link to gaelicbooks.org
(Bilingual English-Gaelic edition is available via Amazon)
A thousand curses on Wells for never clarifying what that strange, sweet and liquid tongue was.
Could it have been oor ain mither tung?
Thanks to Wells’ laziness, we’ll never know.
“…very sweet and liquid tongue.”
Wells could only have meant the braw Scots leid… certainly not Gaelic (although it does qualify as a very strange sort of language) and doubly certain not thon sour English speech which is harsh tae the ear and is mair thick gruel than sweet liquid.
The following quote is from TRANSLATING HOMER, John MacLean’s foreword to his Gaelic translation of Homer’s Odyssey (ODUSSEIA HOMAIR, Gairm 1976). Note in present context his pertinent use of the word “timeless“! (John, by the way, was brother of Sorley MacLean).
« For various reasons Gaelic, too, has a timeless quality, and herein lies one of the reasons for its adaptability for translating poetry. It is also not only a more singable, musical language than most, but it has, like Greek, facilities for expressing nuances and emphases which you will rarely find; it not only possesses the power of oral emphasis but, like Greek, records such emphasis in writing to an extent that English does not do. »
“…to an extent that English does not do.”
Aye, if only mair than hauf a dozen fowk roond the wirld spoke the Gaelic, eh?
How much better this Earth might have been.
That John MacLean was an eejit, by the way… Homer never spoke the Gaelic.
Homer will speak Gaelic just as soon as Matt Groening decides he does.
Perhaps in a scene involving Willie the janitor.
GEORGE STEINER: LANGUAGE AND SILENCE (Essays 1958-1966)
« Languages are living organisms. Infinitely complex, but organisms nevertheless. They have in them a certain life force, and certain powers of absorption and growth. But they can decay and they can die.
« A language shows that it has in it the germ of dissolution in several ways. Actions of the mind that were once spontaneous become mechanical, frozen habits (dead metaphors, stock similes, slogans). Words grow longer and more ambiguous. Instead of style, there is rhetoric. Instead of precise common usage, there is jargon. Foreign roots and borrowings are no longer absorbed into the blood-stream of the native tongue. They are merely swallowed and remain an alien intrusion.
« All these technical failures accumulate to the essential failure: the language no longer sharpens thought but blurs it. Instead of charging every expression with the greatest available energy and directness, it loosens and disperses the intensity of feeling. The language is no longer adventure (and a live language is the highest adventure of which the human brain is capable). In short, the language is no longer lived; it is merely spoken.
« That condition can last for a very long time (observe how Latin remained in use long after the springs of life in Roman civilization had run dry). But where it has happened, something essential in a civilization will not recover. »
(Extract from essay ‘The Hollow Miracle 1’)
“English speech which is harsh tae the ear and is mair thick gruel than sweet liquid.”
Aye Northcode, Englis aye gaes in ane lug an oot the ither but nivver touches the saul insofar as Scots speakin fowk are concernt. The same wi Gaelic, or Welsh, Cornish or whitivver ither fowks langages.
It its no yer ain leid, an nivver wis, thars nae pint in pertendin itherwise.
As Billy Kay wrote aboot oor reality:
“Scots will not go away, the death-wish curse that has been upon it since the eighteenth century has gone unfulfilled.”
And this despite over recent decades a UK state-funded Gaelic lobby who, according to Kay, “when they speak of Scotland as a bilingual country, they mean Gaelic and English, an deil tak the hindmaist – Scots bein by far the hindmaist in the linguistic pecking order”, and in seeking to provide for a “monopoly on ethnic Scottishness” at the expense of Scots language speakers.
Which is of course ethnic discrimination against Scots speakers.
THE ORIGINS OF GEORDIE AND NORTHUMBRIAN DIALECTS
« An exploration of the origins of the Geordie and Northumbrian dialect. In this video we explore the Anglo-Saxon influence and ask who were the Angles and Saxons? We look at the Geordie relationship to Frisian and Scots and explore the lexical origins of the English language. We discover that Geordie shares some features and pronunciations with Germanic languages that have been lost in English. We also remember that the region once had Cumbric roots and that a form of Welsh was once spoken in the North, with a legacy only remembered in a handful of place-names and methods of livestock counting in the northern dales. »
link to youtube.com
Why has The National showing a different oil tanker to all the other papers ? The oil tanker in most newspapers is riding high, obviously empty, strange ?
Maybe it’s a Scottish yin heading for Westminster?
HOME SECRETARY FACES LEGAL ACTION OVER HATE CRIME POLICING
Free speech campaigner Harry Miller is seeking a judicial review on the way hate crimes are recorded.
Mr Miller, who has an alleged hate crime against his name, argues that the current system requires officers to “dismiss objective evidence in favour of a perception of hurt feelings”.
In 2021, the former policeman successfully challenged College of Policing guidance on non-crime hate incidents after his details were logged over a ‘transphobic’ tweet. Last month, the College of Policing and National Police Chiefs’ Council announced that NCHIs are to be scrapped, but this does not affect the recording of hate crimes.
‘SKEWED’
Mr Miller warned that Home Office hate crime guidance puts everyone “at risk of being criminalised by both the local police force and the state”.
He added: “It gives the police a government licence to bypass even the most elementary burden of proof, and to criminally pursue and record entirely innocent individuals.
“With this court action, we aim to put right this blindingly obvious wrong on behalf of all who fall within the scope of British jurisprudence.”
Representing the applicant, Conrathe Gardner LLP said: “The Home Office rules are clearly skewed in favour of victims and need to be withdrawn and rewritten. As they currently stand, they are unlawful.”
NCHIs
Controversial non-crime hate incidents (NCHIs) are set to be scrapped under “common sense” proposals that will be presented to the Home Secretary this month.
Following a review, the College of Policing and National Police Chiefs’ Council have concluded that recording “information about non-crime incidents on a crime system is not the right solution”.
Chairman of the College of Policing, Lord Herbert of South Downs, told The Daily Telegraph: “NCHIs will go as a concept. That system will be scrapped and replaced with a completely different system. There will be no recording of anything like it on crime databases.”
Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he said: “It was quite clear that the whole regime needed looking at, that there was a perception that the police were being drawn into matters that they shouldn’t have been. I don’t think the police service wanted to be drawn into them. They don’t want to be policing tweets.”
(The Christian Institute, 8 Jan 2026)
link to christian.org.uk
If you are not allowed to own your own thoughts and express your own opinions then you do not live in a democratic country and are not obliged to defend that country under any circumstances. An opinion from an adult human female.
Amen to that
I was far too generous.
link to capx.co
Phil, I voted for the creation of Holyrood. I was proud when it opened and then when the SNP became the first Scottish government I believe Independence would shortly follow, how wrong was I.
Since 2014 from the stepping down of Alex Salmond Scotland, the Scots and our parliament have all went down hill. The SNP has used our parliament not as a means to secure Independence but as a weapon in witch hold the Scottish people to the union, Nicola Sturgeon even named it the Gold Standard we should all be proud off and she menat.
The political party’s who occupy the parliament say all the right things but they have all got one thing in common they all want to be re-elected and for that reason we do not have a political system in Scotland where these politician fight on the politics but are actively hand in hand working together in order secure re-election.
For anyone who has a keen eye will notice that this so called political divide doesn’t exist and you’ll have the likes of Swinney or Sturgeon saying its because these political part’s need to work together, yes they do but not to deny the people you who put you their any form of democracy and that whats these party’s have done. Scotland has a parliament but no democracy at all, it simple doesn’t exist.
The parliament and the Scotland act was used in which to curtail the Scotland and its people to the union. The SNP has used both process in which we elect MP’s to the parliament and the Scotland act to also curtail out people to the union.
A huge majority of Indy supporters will say the SNP is the only party who can deliver Independence and yet we have been voting for the SNP in number never seen before in the history of Scottish politics and yet in 2026 its the SNP not the unionist who is using the political system and the Scotland act to deny Scotland its rightful place as a Independent Country.
What nationalist leader in world who was a true nationalist, would put forward a plan that resulted in win, win, for the union and this is what John Swinney has done and done with the blessing of the SNP membership.
To argue two votes for the SNP is suicidal and doesn’t result in any party winning a bigger majority in fact you waste votes. The two vote SNP argument will not result in the SNP getting a majority neither will saying you most only vote for, the SNP.
Since 2015 the only party who can deliver Independence wants to go and ask for a section 30 order, but their is a caveat to the SNP Baldrick cunning plan, before the SNP can even go and ask for a section 30 order it has to win a majority first and John Swinney knows this is impossible to achieve. The PM will be justified in turning down John for the section 30, because the SNP hasn’t met its own conditions set out in its Baldrick plan.
Our fight was with the union in 2014 and now its with the SNP, Scottish government, the parliament and the union. In 2004 the parliament opened its doors to unionist and Scots to act in the interest of Scotland and its only taken 22 years for it to be corrupted and its the SNP and Scottish government who done it.
I seen the benefit of the Scottish parliament in 2004 and if I was given the option today I’d vote to close it.
Closing the parliament as a nationalist brings benefits, it take away the Scotland act and bring the Independence case directly to Westminster.
It’s taken you a while to get there 100% Yes.
Not a few people said at the time that the primary purpose of the wee, pretendy parliament was to take the heat out of Indy.
Maybe more Scots should have listened to the people who revealed what was an open secret.
The colonizer And Greenland are in America to discuss Greenland with the Americans, I bet their isn’t one single representing Inuits.
Even if Swinney got a referendum and we won, Independence should never include membership of the EU ever. Once Scotland has become Independent we should fight til our last breath to stay Independence and its this Independence that should enshrined into a written constitution for all to read.
The EU is nothing more that a German capitalist colonizer regime that controls Europe like England does with these Islands.
% Yes,
Indeed a coloniser by a different name is still a coloniser.
When some one else set their code of conduct, their rules and their laws on your Country , and on your people
Decide your fishing and farming laws your food control and supply and regulations imposed, and wether you go to war,
Wether you have freedom of Speech or freedom of travel around you’re own country by the vehicle of your own choice, never mind abroad,
Changes your laws at home in your country from afar,
Choosing how or which energy and price you will pay in a energy rich country
Removing indigenous nations rights first and pushing through the ideology of mass immigration,
It becomes a Colonising dictatorship with parraells to the one we have spent hundreds of years attempting to gain freedom from.
labour, Tories liberals, greens and the SNP have all dutifully played long term roles each pretending they had inherited such a mess from the other and then adding to mess appear to build it further into chaos,
As a continuing slow creeping takeover of people in their own Countries.
Meantime the BBC carry on with their insidious propaganda – today’s bit – Sir Peter William Mathieson FRCP FMedSci FRSE the current principal and vice-chancellor of the University of Edinburgh saying Scots university free tuition is unsustainable.
He is English, has the highest university salary of almost £1/2 million, lives in a “grace and favour” mansion with an allowance of nearly £20K !
When it comes to smug colonisers he right up there………..
Looking over old records once again and come across and old treaty that Wales supposedly had with Llewelyn prince of Wale had made with England in 1200s
I cannot find Wale’s version of the treaty wrote down anywhere, only Englands side of the events,
Was looking over the history records of the Treaty of York on 25th September 1237.
In Which The oldest records of deciding Scotland and Englands designated borders were decided and agreed by both parties. Which are pretty much the same today, except for Berick upon tweed.
England called upon Otto of Tonengo, papal Diplomat for aid in setting this treaty,
The treaty was agreed and the two kingdoms and territorial lands agreed.
Scotland was accused of breaching this treaty,
However neither Scotland nor England breached it.
It was on Records that while visting England for a second time Otto thought he would vist Scotland.
But Scotland no visit was welcome to the papal diplomat. That he if he did arrive in Scotland the king could not garantee his safety..
We are and have been taught one sided history here in Scotland and been accused of all sorts throughout the ages and time.
I have no hash with the people of England themselves in England, Wales or Ireland they are pretty much like you and I in their daily lives.
Here in Scotland we have long recognised where the trouble and blame lies.
It is the politicians, the unionist minded and globalists minded, the lies and deceit, arrogance of presumption, the propaganda, twisting truths to fit the narrative required, the enforcement of control, belligerence, and tail spinning yarns to achieve what they want.
The control of people.
To such a degree the will rig elections or cancel them.
The treaty of York, 1237,
It was agreed in that treaty that the laws of Scotland would not ever go for a decision to be made in England,
It used to be mince from 300 years ago. We are now going back 800 years for FFS. Do you really think that all the crap you continually post makes any difference to anything? You are as bad as the supposedly learned Professor!
The story and law of Treaties is such that they stand until they don’t Stand.
When one half of a treaty is accused ( falsely or not ) of breaching the treaty agreement,
The politicians and monarchs rules on treaties in England,
Find a reason to Cancel,
or find a reason to say it is binding on the other half of a treaty,
Simple.
SNP are shameful but feel no shame
Traitors from the SNP membership to councilors, MPs, MSPs, Business for Scotland, Believe in Scotland, The National, and the scroungers who making money trying to FREE there Country when they just couldn’t give a fuck!
John Swinney not informed of US using Scottish airport in military operation. Why would John care he’s just the caretaker who isn’t even in charge of an assembly. Lets be honest the man couldn’t assemble lego into anything meaningful. He’s a poodle for the Labour party, its only The National who believe John has an effect on politics no one else does.
Snp are as shameful as those down south, no different no better.
I saw the vacant glaiket look on Starmers face when ask about What was his opinion regards what Trump was doing,
All managers not managing.
Same breed.
All parties pass their failures on to the next failing manager that does not actually manage until they achieve the accumulation of the whole concept and goal they were aiming for as partners behind closed doors.
That is why it is better that the people rule with their own Sovereignty over their own Countries.
They’re having an exciting day of rest in Tehran. Looks like the experts who wrote off the Domino Theory may have been premature.
Love him or loathe him, Scotland’s greatest living half-son sure knows how to shake things up. Sometimes I wonder what he might have been able to achieve if he was all Scottish.
Europe needs to wake up.
Too long expecting USA to protect them and have gone soft.
Make Europe Great Again.
MEGA.
Anna Paulina Luna, a US Republican congresswoman and ally of Donald Trump, warned she would bring forward legislation to “sanction not only Starmer, but Britain as a whole” if it moved to ban the social media platform X. Lets see if Starmer has metal or if he’s just like Swinney week kneed and poor piss of a human being.
Starmer is to Trump what Swinney is to Starmer a poodle ready and willing to do what ever it take to please its master.
O/T but a very good piece of information.
Alert readers will remember how Joanna Cherry won an important constitutional case in London when Johnson prorogued Westminster. On Monday she is counsel for Salvo/Liberation/Craig Murray’s case to get a Scottish judicial review of the proscription of Palestine Action.
The UK government is challenging the right of Scottish law courts to decide the question of what is permissible under Scottish law and the Claim of Right.
Fingers crossed.
Sarah,
I hate to bust your bubble, but you need to learn and learn the hard way. Scotland will never succeed in British Supreme court, Britian and England are one and the same the united kingdom, its a myth we are all taught to stay loyal.
Salvo/Liberation talking Scotlands case to the UN stating that the act of union doesn’t exist and Scotland want to be classed as a colony by the UN-C24 and now the very same organization who’s states Britain doesn’t exist is using the British courts to ask it to judge on “Salvo/Liberation/Craig Murray’s case to get a Scottish judicial review of the proscription of Palestine Action. The UK government is challenging the right of Scottish law courts to decide the question of what is permissible under Scottish law and the Claim of Right.”.
I can tell you wants going to happen Salvo/Liberation/Craig Murray’s case will fail. I can’t believe the Salvo has just handed the UKG and the Supreme court the claim of right to Judge on and to Judge against Scots only constitutional document.
Lets see what happens. But this is the same Joanna Cherry who sated the SNP law lawyer presented a good case regarding wither or not Scotland had the right to hold a referendum and look what happened their.
I’ve tried to tell people on here about our constitution it should involve Scots and no one else. Salvo and Liberation is being lead in the wrong direction deliberately, from what its was supposed to achieve.
“Salvo/Liberation talking Scotlands case to the UN stating that the act of union doesn’t exist”
Not so. The Treaty and Acts exist all right, but they have never been implemented as per the agreement.
Only Scotland’s former parliament was dissolved. England’s parliament was never dissolved, it continued on as before, was rebranded as ‘UK’, with the addition of Scottish territory which was effectively annexed.
link to youtube.com
Should be a slam dunk.
319 years of documented real world history rendered, what? Imaginary? Overnight!
An absolute bummer for any hapless Scot who’s just blown the thick end of £100 renewing her passport.
Unionist cants the lot of them. They deserve no sympathy.
What an odd post, sarah.
It’s like CM’s defection to Your Party in October last year has completely passed you by.
None sae blind, eh?
Sanction Starmer, sanction Britain.
Surely not. The UK is in a special relationship with the USA.
Great Britain is a mighty country. Not something you wipe off your shoe.
In fact, now out of the EU we have entered our golden era with our best years ahead. And look at our world wide trade deals. I mean our friend the USA may have slaughtered Scotch whisky exports with swingeing tarrifs but we are now going head to head with countries like China.
Makes one proud to be British. Eh?
In this fantasy land who would be First Minister of Scotland?
Change is coming, the people might be sleeping now, but the noise and “populism” that reform will bring to the scottish government will wake a lot of people up.
It is just a damn shame that it has to come from unionists instead of Alba. Alba would be far better for independence but unfortunately the money is with reform and money talks so the big money party will be having a head start on Alba.
One can only hope that the noise reform makes when it becomes the opposition will draw nationalists towards Alba who at least have sensible economic policies too.
Love the flag mate.
Are you talking about the Alba Party? I do agree with on the idea reform will cause a lot of trouble for the SNP and this is what the SNP is worried about.
Reform is a Englsih nationalist party were all the other unionist party try and pretend to unionist they aren’t.
When reform takes the next Westminster election just wait and see who England becomes the focus and all these other nations are put in their place this is when the UK will truly break up.
Whilst it invariably does seem to be mainly those on the left or centre-left who must support independence/decolonization from a moral standpoint, which is what postcolonial theorists also believed, initially at least, Cesaire noted with surprise his realisation that:
“I never thought for a moment that our emancipation could (also) come from the right”
In other words, the racist imperative of a colonial society, with the imposed colonizer culture made dominant over the subordinated culture of the colonized, “is simply a social question” reflecting a cultural (and hence ethnic) divide; meaning that our dilemma is not a matter of left or right, it is about getting rid of a racist colonial system of oppression and exploitation directed at a particular ethnic group and culture, i.e. the Scots.
Or in other words, Cesaire was just another of the whiny, pseudo intellectual, pretentious eternally gum bumping tribal Marxists which infest politics everywhere.
When the sort of ambitious, risk taking doers who naturally sit to the right of the political spectrum saw the justification and the opportunity for independence, then they took it.
If it was up to the likes of Cesaire and his mates, their descendants would still be sitting around, raising and seconding motions, recording minutes, and acting out an unfunny tribute act to the People’s Front For The Liberation Of Judea.
There’s a lesson for Scotland in there somewhere, but I rather think that you, Alf, don’t want it publicised.
@Hatey McHateface,
USA doing what your Great Brutish Empire used to do,
going round the world knocking heads together.
Very quiet from your British Labour about the revolution in Iran,not sure they want to upset their voter base ?
My Great Brutish Empire and my British Labour?
Like many Scots of a certain age, I worry about creeping cognitive decline, or even the ghastly scourge of our time, Alzheimer’s.
Then I read a post like yours and realise I’m not doing so badly.
You have a good day, Scot.
Scottish Parliament, once a source of national pride,
I must have missed that one time.
Sic is ma langsome boredom, which remains unspent bein confrontit as it is wi aw the *bauchness an *dullskitishnes flotterin aboot the waurld theis deys, a pit thegither this sermon… o sorts.
This didactic, up-its-ain-self wee super-mini lecture that micht, hou an iver, be o interest tae sum fowk.
It micht even deleever sum smaw distractioun, perhappin, frae war and aw its wee warmongers; and its wee madmen and their wee mad bombs; and their wee mad trigger-blithe sodjers; an thair wee mad dreams o bein Caesar.
Thaim madmen wha can only debate thru “Argumentum ad Baculum” and whose lack of empathy, compassion, and imagination sways their broken souls to be impressed with the tools of violent persuasion.
They are merely children awaiting a ‘higher authority’ tae slap some sense intae them and help them take another step on the evolutionary ladder so they might catch up with the rest of us.
Onyroad, those folk who would see thersels kings o Earth, Rex Mundi, can fuck right aff, sence the *gyte hae nae richt tae be chefftanes o this waurld… sae here be ma wee ‘sermon’ insteid while we wait for them big weans to just GO… A… WAY:
Right, let’s dance:
2 + 3 = 10
Let’s try that calculation again just to double check… 2 + 3 = 10.
Yep, it all checks out – the answer to the question “What does 2 + 3 equal?”… is 10.
Anyone who thinks 2 + 3 DOES NOT equal 10 is wrong and is an idiot.
I know I’m right and those other folk who arrive at the number 5 as the answer to the question are wrong… morons.
I know I’m right, but why have so many others arrived at an incorrect answer?
I know I’m right and I will not be persuaded otherwise, for I pressed the number 2 on my calculator and then I pressed the plus symbol and then I pressed the number 3 and then I pressed the equals symbol and my calculator told me the answer is 10… my logic is unassailable and so the answer must be 10.
Let’s ask a more demanding question of my ‘calculator’:
Okay, my calculator has considered all the variables as they relate to my world view and my beliefs and the beliefs of my people and what kind of government I think will further my ambition for a safe, secure, and comfortable life for myself and my family and my nation in an independent Scotland and the answer is…
Logic is truth.
Logic is truth… but there’s a caveat.
Logic IS truth, but relativism posits that a truth is only true relative to other truths – and if that is so I need to do quite a bit of work before I can trust that my reasoning is delivering the correct answers I seek to the questions I ask of it… because my ‘pocket calculator’ appears to be fucked if it thinks 2 + 3 = 10.
And if I can’t trust my calculator to give me the right answer to a very simple question how can I hope to trust it with more complex “who should I vote for…” type questions?
Next time – how learning to think critically (or think at aw, even) will help folk decide who to vote for next May… oh, and how to fix a ‘broken calculator’ tae.
* Gyte: Mad, insane, demented, out of one’s senses
* Bauch: Dullness; want or defect of any kind.
* Dulskit: Sluggish and lethargic
By the way… the “Argumentum ad baculum” fallacy was pretty much the only rhetorical device used by the unionist (colonialist if preferred… same thing) “Better Together” anti-Scots, “let’s keep the Scots subjugated by telling them how fucking awful things will be for them if they vote for their own liberation from oppression by a foreign power” campaign back in 2014.
A quick online search will return something like this:
“Better Together” – or else…
Colonialism… the go to “let’s make new friends” approach for thugs.
Argumentum ad baculum will, of course, be from the vocabulary of the purest Scots.
Ah’m oot the day for some messages. Ah’ll try it oot oan every cant ah meet.
NC quotes a definition of ‘Argument ad baculum”; namely that “This fallacy is often used to intimidate or coerce agreement without addressing the actual merits of the argument.”
It is important to note the “is often used…”.
So an argument that presents negative consequences is not inherently fallacious. As an example, the recent announcement by S&P Global that its assessment of Scotland’s economic rating might be downgraded following “any significant movement towards independence” was a statement made as a result of assessing the evidence rather than a fallacious threat.
“…an argument that presents negative consequences is not inherently fallacious…”
There goes “Dances Without Facts” dancing without facts again.
All arguments made in support of the continued subjugation and oppression of the Scots, or any people, are inherently fallacious.
There is no argument possible – nor will there ever be – that can justify the eradication of a people’s history, culture, language and identity and the theft of all they materially possess for economic gain – all such arguments are fallacious… their false premises inevitably lead to false conclusions; their propositions are the claims made by barbarians and their reasoning that of thieves .
S&P Global is a Yankee outfit and as such cannot be trusted; its assessment of Scotland’s economic rating is a nonsense given that Scotland is a colony and can have no economic rating beyond that of “Ripe for Plunder”.
@Northcode – being in the sun here in Cairo has nearly put me in a good enough mood to read all of that (nearly).
Please find a hobby!
A Setterday sermon, Northy!
Fit are ye angling at noo? Ye’ll be claiming the Picts were the Lost Tribe next!
Just heard a rumour that the USA has surrounded Scotland with military assets.That certainly seems to be the case as with USA navy ships coming in to Faslane, military planes in John O Groats Wick airport with more military assets landing in the Uists.
And the purpose of this military deployment is am told is that a Delta force is ready to strike to remove First Minister John Swinney so that a puppet government can be installed.
Now this is not as far fetched as anyone would think. Swinney is already a puppet leader working on behalf of a foreign power.Think Denmark having Greenland as its colony as being similar to England having Scotland as its colony.
So it would make much sense for one puppet leader to be replaced with another. All that oil and gas. All that renewable energy, the huge sea resources around Scotland showed stretching to Rockall and beyond, the potential for more military bases, a compliant local populace. It does make you wonder about the logic of a Delta Force going in to Holly Rood.
And moreover President Trump is half Scots. His mother from Lewis, why should England and Starmer have Scotland. Its an interesting rumour.
John Boys days may well be numbered.
Sorry, Willie, you were on a roll until you wrote “all that renewable energy”.
Edit that out and re-submit your post in a couple of days. Nobody’s gonna notice.
Perhaps this is why Jenny Gilruth falsified her Register of Interests to remove her connections to the US State Department, via its International Visitors Leadership Program?
Jenny has been sheep-dipped, washed clean of the taint of the American Permanent State.
Alf Baird,
I agree with you regards Colonialism,
However I do come to that conclusion from a slightly different angle from yourself and others latterly,
The colonialism of long ago on Scotland was enforced and carried forward by deceit and propaganda,
And Scotland across the nation had no alternative except to believe what it was told by the barons and lords with no access in those Details in centuries gone by,
This is where the idea of Colonialism sprung up from in Scotland,
Today I feel it is the oppressed mind of the people in Scotland themselves that maintains the colonial membrane attitude that surrounds them.
Enough information is available to them nowadays for truths to come about and to lift that subjucation from their Shoulders,
You have tried, I have tried, liberate Scotland have tried, professor Black has tried,, Salvo havo have tried, from all angles and various methods, wings over Scotland have tried,
and many others over the years.
The problem is no longer the facts, the records, the available information, it is the mindset of the people that has become accustomised to the Colonialism after so long to the original perpetrated lie.
We see this in Joanna cherry actions on laws , we see this in the devolved governance, we saw this in Brexit,
And witness it in the McCrone report, and all the other colonial acts that Scottish people just accept into as their lot.
Many examples, to many to name,
But Scotland never made or held a treaty with the parliament of Great Britain,
The mind that has become accustomised to colonialism accepts any propaganda or tail spin yarn it is spun and never thinks to question the reality,
How can the Great Britain parliament even challenge a 1707 Scottish parliament that no longer exist and that never made a treaty with each other?
Englands-Great Britain parliament set up the devolved government parliament in Scotland under the legislation of GB, including reserved matters.
But Scotland is not in a 1707 treaty of union with the Great Britain parliament.
It was with Englands parliament in 1707.
It is not legal as a “Scotland act.” Coming from the Westminster parliament of Great Britain, because Scotland holds no 1707 treaty with that particular parliament.
Colonialism mindset in Scotland prevents the brains from working.
Just acknowledging that Scotland does not hold and never did make a treaty with the Great Britain parliament in 1707 is a beginning.
Then questioning how the great britain parliament ( whom did not make a treaty with Scotland) could sue the parliament of Scotland for walking away as the parliament of Scotland has not existed since 1707.
If the parliament of Scotland has not existed for over three hundred years there are no Scottish representatives sitting in the Westminster parliament of Great Britain, simply due to the fact that the extinguish parliament of Scotland does not exist,
The goons from Scotland in Westminster parliament are represenatives of GB parliament whom Scotland holds no treaty with.
Blimey !
Alf Baird, “James” Cheyne, Willie and Northcode have all come out to play together !
The four Nutters of the Apocalypse !
Oh Gawd!
Now “confused” has joined in !
Aye, a few more might help Scotland shake on the dumbing down effect of minds controlled.
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For one are happy that just a few us can place a fear in unionist minds and Globalist To panic them enough to feel the need to reply or try close us down,
Imagine what the nation of Scotland that wakens up has the possibility to do.
Every tree starts with a seed, until it gathers strength to stand on its own in its own patch of land.
rumour has it, trump saw 2001 : A Space Odyssey the other day, thought it was an intelligence briefing from Area 51 and now intends to take on the “star children” because Titan has lakes of hydrocarbons … the ICE have also been tasked to “build a wall” to keep out the “space w0gs”.
Trump has this habit of being very loud and aggressive in public, beating his chest, just so he can backtrack and appear reasonable, open to compromise, when it comes to really “make the deal” – and still pretend he masterfully brokered “a great deal for america … great deal for americans … ” – and all that shite.
Greenland could allow us a blatant exposition of how geopolitical subversion works; right now, there could be an army of “human rights activists” and “democracy building” NGOs all over Greenland, drumming up any “Greenland Independence Movement” with their regime change playbook – planted stories in the media, fake outrage, “color” revolutions, all that; and next time there is a local election we see their full electioneering machine go into overdrive on behalf of the GIM.
– if GIM “wins”, and it will only have to be on the slimmest of margins (POSTAL BALLOTS! – YAY!!), then the GIM will simply declare independence, knowing the hegemon has their back
the US recognises the new country and its a done deal. Denmark whines at the UN, but no one cares. If they try any “shenanigans”, then “UN peacekeepers” (from the 82nd airborne) arrive to maintain order, the rule of law and liberal democracy, with a responsibility to protect the seal, the narwhal and polar bear.
The US, because there are so few people there and because after all – they print dollars at no cost – can then buyoff the greenies with a couple of million each and half a percent of the mineral rights. Fucked off with the cold, they all piss off to Florida or the Bahamas. The US moves in.
– the point is : independence can happen real easy and real quick, in the right circumstances. But no one in scottish politics has the intelligence to understand realpolitik, how the world really works – either by inadequacy or design. Trump, being a “half scottish golf nut” should be “our boy” – it’s an open goal; he is a narcissist, you give him a membership at the R&A and make him “Laird of St Andrews” – right now, because of the adelson money, he is “issy’s B1tch” but imagine how easy our path would be if he was our b1tch – what is more, I think he would like that.
Scotland is merely a colony of a vassal state; deal with the organ grinder, not the monkey. What is more, historically, a weaker nationalist force can never beat an external imperialist force without outside help to offset the power imbalance. This even happened in america – the yanks like to think they did it all on their own, but without the help of france and even rusha, they could never have won. Suppose we got the referendum, won it by a mile, then the london regime turns round and says : “fuck you and your democracy – the oil, the water, the leccy, the taxes are ours … WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT … tell you what, we will consider the result -advisory- and you can have a constitutional convention to talk about it till 2036 … “; we bleat about it to the UN, and gain the support of Angola and Burkina Faso, and some non binding resolution in our favour … but without the right kind of “friends”, nothing happens; no one fucking cares about our historical claims, rights to self determination, that we are the “good guys” etc
On the (trump being an) “arsehole question”; the world is full of “arseholes”, and you just have to deal with them; it is the height of skill (and why you train diplomats) to get something out of them, to make them work for you. Acting like a child and calling everyone a “smelly poo poo head” gets you nowhere.
Anyone who doesn’t think the iran situation has the CIA/Mossad all over it … I have a high yield investment opportunity exclusively available to sophisticated gentlemen like yourself.
– it stinks of the “arab spring” and “color revolutions”. Astroturf, mainly coordinated by social media. NB social media is good for us, when we want to subvert foreign countries, but its -bad- if elon musk lets you say things we don’t like, or tik tok or discord or whatsapp, allow the spread of “hate”.
You have to consider things in context, allied with the history and constraints that exist.
Iranian protests : it’s about food prices.
“feed the people” is rule #1 for any form of government. This is fuckall to do with hijabs or human rights, it’s more basic than that.
The use of external sanctions and consequent financial pressures has to be noted; I don’t know why food prices are high, maybe a bad harvest.
The history of iran is a sad one; the british and the CIA overthrew the govt in 53 by stirring up the students. Then they got the shah, who was a bastard, a dictator, yes, but he is our guy so it doesn’t matter. Hypocrisy again.
Then the theocracy in 79. Surrounded by US bases and enemies – Saudi, issy, the gulf states – a mix of zionism and the shia-sunni thing. You are at war whether you like it or not. You cannot run the country as in peacetime, for you need much more security, and you have to spend more, much more, money on defence. Iran has done well. You can see what is coming – since its formation issy has systematically wrecked all the countries around it, they are hardly likely to let you off.
I wouldn’t make a big issue about young women on twitter complaining about the hijab. Young women are stupid, across the world, and if you let them decide how the world should be you get the chaos and insanity of … the west. Have you seen these dumb b1tches on instagram and tiktok? Their ideas are stupid and no one should listen to them – this is a universal problem – the insanity of young women (usually solved by a man and a baby).
Iran has problems similar to us; they have a lot of angry young people, born in 2005 FFS, who know nothing, understand nothing, don’t read books anymore, were educated in a prizes for all culture, who think they know more than they do, and have no understanding of the historical events that brought them here. So they protest at not being allowed the total freedom to be arseholes, that western teenagers enjoy.
Whitaboot “free press” – in the west all the media is owned by about 6 corporations, all headed by jews. You let that poison into your country, it will be destroyed.
“freedom of speech”? – it doesn’t exist in the west; it was removed, again by the jewish lobby, by the -creation- of “hate speech” which grants special rights to certain groups who cannot be criticised in any way.
“feminism” and wimmins rights; feminism, along with gay rights and other things, has destroyed the west; some people have the foresight to see what is coming down the road and decide they don’t want destroyed.
If the persians are not building a nuke, then they fucking well should be, with “neighbours from hell” like they have. In what twisted universe would the saudis, or the issies be “the good guys”? Human rights, democracy, liberty, peace and compromise – they are none of that, on the one hand we have barbaric uncivilised savages with more money than they know what to do with, and on the other an organised criminal gang of psychopaths who think they are the master race.
“defend yourself at all times”
– the downside is that spending your nation’s wealth on weaponry means you aren’t spending it elsewhere – maybe the agricultural infrastructure needs upgraded, maybe the youth want more consumer goods.
Same deal with north korea; the war never ended for them, so they put their efforts into building ICBMs and H bombs, truly impressive engineering (- e.g. the UK failed to build a proper H bomb) while their southern brethren build all the really cool consumer electronics for the rest of us. Smart people, both sides, but they have memories. The north was devastated to such an extent that it would have been called a “holocaust” had hollywood been run by north koreans. They have every right and reason to want to kill americans. Anyone with any sense of pride would too – things do not “start and end” when the western media says so – the chinese remember their century of humiliation at british and US hands, being turned into opium addicts, for example.
Propagandist bullshit – smug little anglo pricks on newsnight going on about iran and freedom and human rights and all that shite (- you live in a country that will jail a woman for a tweet and give a r4pist a suspended sentence and also bizarrely calls r4pe-murder-endupinthekebabs rings “grooming gangs”)
watching the news – the anglos have this kneejerk hatred for any country that booted them out – it’s just hate, any excuse, any reason; and they really hate it if the country is doing much much better than it did under colonial/satrap rule as it proves the lie about “civilising the barbarian / gave the hottentot the railroad”. But what is even worse are the countries which aren’t doing so good, which could legitimately be called “shitholes” … even they don’t want the english back; no one, ever, wants them back, for any fucking reason, or in any circumstance.
– that says a lot. It points to national character, to psychology.
We owe it to our descendants to make our nation whole again, and this means “ANGLO FREE”; we need de-anglification from all society and public institutions, similar to how the nazis were turfed out of Germany post-war.
– the people who are THE FUCKING PROBLEM IN ITS ESSENCE can NEVER be part of any solution, which is, of course, making Scotland better for the Scots, to whom it belongs.
SCOTLAND YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING ENEMY
– IT IS ENGLAND
Aye, Confused, the towel heids just like being oppressed. Their women can’t get enough of being beaten to death if they turn sassy, and shot in the genitals if they turn out to protest.
They’d willingly and happily live like that forever if only they barsturt Jews didn’t keep stirring it.
“Young women” can well speak for themselves, but I particularly deplore your anti-Jewish pitch.
I would draw people’s attention to GEORGE STEINER’s essay THE HOLLOW MIRACLE beginning on page 95 (page 108 of linked PDF) of his book LANGUAGE AND SILENCE:
link to ia800800.us.archive.org
“Young women” may well speak for themselves but what they speak about is another thing. The actions of that nutter over in America who deliberately went out to antagonise trigger happy armed Federal employees then tried to run of them over says otherwise.
Isn’t it remarkable the breadth of knowledge that the regular nutters on here possess when it comes to world affairs. It is almost as if they were briefed by the leaders of certain countries on a daily basis. Even more astonishing is that they seem to think that their repetitive inane ramblings are facts! I wonder how many people start to read their dross but simply give up after a few lines.
I can only assume they have few friends or family hence the time they spend posting on here.
It is embarrassing to read some of the posts. The nutters, of course, are incapable of recognising that.
If the individual wee ‘Mickey Mouse’ independent parties ever merge, i have a suitable name for the new party Cranks R Us.
I gave up on your post after a few lines….
Did Confused upset your Anglo sensibilities?
when Trump came for his trip to Scotland and his motorcade went to Turnberry the Beast limousine bore not the Union Jack but rather the Scottish St Andrew’s` Cross.
Was that Donald making a point.
And Sir Queer Starmer having to scurry up to Scotland for a meet with Donald, was that Trump making another point. Signals like this together with Donald John’s mercurial personality could suggest that his intervention in Scottish affairs, should he decide that they are of interest could be a hard card for folks like Sir Queer Starmer and the establish to deal with.
Its an interesting concept and we do know that Trump has a healthy disregard for Sir Queer Starmer. The diaspora in the USA most certainly played a big part in Irish Independence. Played a big part in the Good Friday Belfast Agreement which the Brits are currently now welching on.
Yes geo-politics is interesting. Wild even. Stranger than fiction. Who would have thought a young Gaidhlig speaker from Lewis, could be the mother of one President Donald John Trump.
Scotland does hold assets that England does not have. And the Donald loves a deal. In fact he both bought and built two golf courses here as a personal choice. Maybe a Delta Force intervention into Scotland might not be a far fetched as might be thought.
And for a jolly thought could you imagine Big John along with Sir Queer in prisoner sump suits, with leg irons and manacles being led into a New York court. Nonsense of course do I hear the cry, that type of thing does not happen – or does it?
The Harlem Shuffle for Big John – what a thought – eh?
willie @ 14.55.
Gosh, even though I can’t quite believe a word of that imaginitive scenario, you didn’t half bring a smile to my bitter old visage this freezing day as I decide which room to try to heat up. So thankyou.
As the 2026 election polling shows, the “true Indy” parties (which the SNP isn’t) will get, what, 1% of the vote? 2%?
If this election is considered a plebiscite election, “true Indy” will have lost in a LANDSLIDE, with 98% of the Scottish people voting for NON-Indy parties.
People who talk about “plebiscite elections” might not like the result of this election.
Willie,
Thought provoking post, He did indeed fly the flag of Scotland from his limousine when in the Country of Scotland,
It is interesting that the british mainstream media always refer to him as british origins
But also acknowledge that his mother coming from Scotland,
Bit of a bone of contention sitting on England, the Country that lacks free speech and cancelled elections.
Explains a lot of the rhetoric coming from down south towards him,
No matter what he does to Whom in favour or not as the case may be, to Starmer and London he is not English origins.
But Scottish, german and American,
I don’t think Scots, germans or Americans are welcome to invade Englands Britain, only the old crusading Countries are made welcome,
I suppose it saves them going of to fight far away in foreign Countries, if they invite the crusades onto home territory.
SCOTLAND was invaded and settled «colonized» by three cultures, Irish aka Scotti, Anglian aka Inglis and Norsemen.
The indigenous locals Brythonic, Kymric, Pictish etc had little to do but put up with it.
‘Twas ever thus?
A very unhelpful comment, TURABDIN. Unsound in various ways already very well aired on Wings. It would be wearisome to rehearse more than one here. –
WERE THE SCOTS IRISH?
« Ewan Campbell authored a paper in 2001, named ‘Were the Scots Irish?’, in the journal Antiquity, which challenged the relationship between the Gaels of Ireland and those of Dál Riata. He stated that there is no archeological or placename evidence of a migration or takeover. This lack of archeological evidence was previously noted by English archaeologist Leslie Alcock.
« Archeological evidence shows that Argyll was different from Ireland, before and after the traditionally held migration, but that it also formed part of the Irish Sea province with Ireland, being easily distinguished from the rest of Scotland. Campbell suggests that Argyll and Antrim formed a “maritime province”, united by the sea and isolated from the rest of Scotland by the mountainous ridge called the Druim Alban.
« This allowed a shared language to be maintained through the centuries; Argyll remained Gaelic-speaking while the rest of Scotland became Brittonic-speaking. Campbell argues that the medieval accounts were a kind of dynastic propaganda, constructed to bolster a dynasty’s claim to the throne and to bolster Dál Riata claims to territory in Antrim. »
If this PDF link doesn’t work, the article can be found elsewhere online:
link to cambridge.org
“A very unhelpful comment, TURABDIN”
I think what you mean, Fearghas, is that such a view is ‘unhelpful’ to the state-funded Gaelic lobby and its re-writing of our history in what we know as Scotland.
You cite one paper to seek to justify your preferred theory when there are endless books and articles by archaeologists and historians that tell us the Dalriada Scots were from Ireland, also following on from even earlier Roman records (see Armit, Celtic Scotland).
You simply can’t accept the fact that ‘Gaelicisation’ was imposed on the Picts and that Pictland was re-named Scotland following incursions from Ireland (see Clarkson, The Picts: A History). Large movements of ‘Scots’ from Ireland to Scotland were also due to the Viking invasion there, followed later by English rule.
Moreover, TURABDIN appears to have forgotten the Roman occupation of Pictland.
So what you’re saying Alf is that the speakers of Scots colonised the (largely) Brythonic speaking lands that now comprise Scotland, and over succeeding centuries extinguished Brythonic, Gaelic and Norse language and culture in Scotland.
Whatever would Fantoosh, Mammy and Ceasar make of the vile Scots colonailists! 🙂
“Whatever would Fantoosh, Mammy and Ceasar make”
Who cares.
It’s all part of his depressingly cringy acceptance of mediocrity that Professor Baird will endlessly quote these alien, foreign, professional grievance mongers, rather than develop his own coherent theories rooted in our own, unique, Scottish circumstances.
“Weel done, Alf. Ye’ve demonstrated, once again, how Scotland no longer has anything new tae say tae the world”.
That about sums it up.
“develop his own coherent theories rooted in our own, unique, Scottish circumstances”
As it happens, this is the only applied theoretical framework explaining Scotland’s colonial condition and urgent need for decolonization:
link to cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com
@Alf
As it happens, this is the only applied theoretical framework explaining Scotland’s colonial condition and urgent need for decolonization:…
And it has about as much relevance as the application of the Marxist-Leninist theory to the current situation of the Scottish nationalist cause.
Much like the post communist marginalisation of Marxist analysis and historiography in the social sciences, rigid and mis-applied use of post-colonial theorising is largely defunct.
As Eric Hobsbawm famously observed of the utility of Marxist analysis, one can use “Marx’s type of questions” without “accepting all his answers”, so to for colonial theory.
Unfortunately for us and the benighted alert readers, the only hammer Alf has in his intellectual tool kit is the sledgehammer of post-colonial theory, ergo every nail must become post-colonial.
As a son of Scotland there is no doubt Scotland is on President Trump’s radar. What does he have in mind for his mither’s country?
He would probably liberate Scotland (sort of) in return for the Scottish Crown, which has been vacant for several centuries. Charlie’s the Real Pretender; Arise King Donald!
We would no doubt still host US nukes but at least we would be a UN member. Given Scotland’s enviable strategic location at the crossroads between Atlantic and North/Baltic/Arctic Seas there is also an American container transhipment trade hub for Europe potential, and a US naval base in Europe, maybe both at Scapa Flow?
Some national and cultural dignity is maybe better than none? Scotland a poodle rather than another poodles bitch.
Mebbe Swinney shuid gie The President a phone? Mair chance o independence thon wey than dependin on the SNP, that’s for sure.
“Scotland a poodle rather than another poodles bitch”
It’s a step up from where we are now for sure… the Scots as a people will get more respect from the Americans than they do from the English and might even be able to begin the healing process in the recovery of their dignity and confidence once more after three centuries under the heel.
And realistically… how long would we hae tae pit up wi Donald as oor King – he must be ower 150 year auld awready.
Good post, Alf.
Aye Northcode, that’s the dilemma with a national tradition whereby oor leeberator aye gets tae be crouned Keeng!
The Scottish wokerati would no doubt prefer the status quo, and oor extinction.
But the fact remains, whither we like it or no, the most powerful politician in the world is a Scotsman, President Donald John Trump.
An he’s nearly 80 so we better get a muive on.
Alf Baird writes a lot of sense, though tongue-in-cheek! Or is it?
Better a peripheral “territory” of the USA than a yapping poodle of the SNP.
I doubt Donald would settle for being king of a mere territory.
There can’t be the slightest doubt that President Trump would prefer being King of Scots in an independent Scotland.
Trump wouldn’t want to be trumped by Chuck in the regal scene.
Scotland might well end up as a vassal nation to America (just as England is now), but she would be a sovereign vassal with King Donald as ‘her main man’ and wearing her croun.
The more I think on the potential of this possible solution for gaining Scotland her ‘independence’ the more sense it makes.
Think of the fun to be had when King Donald meets with King Charles on an equally regal footing live on the telly… what joy!
Farther down the road the Scots can vote on whether they would prefer to be a republic rather than a monarchy, but for now… Donald, King of Scots, works for me
King James VI is dead, long live the King.
Cooking wi gas noo, Northy!
Write up a bigly petition offering The Donald the croun, and beseeching him tae accept it. Use the Declaration Of Arbroath as a template. (Mak sure tae emphasise Scotland’s historical expertise at genocide and oor mony centuries lang identification with The Jews).
Decorate it wi pen sketches o’ North Sea rigs, the best greens from the Auld Course, and bare breasted, barely legal, Amazonian lovelies in skimpy tartan outfits (Trump tartan, natch).
Phrase the entire pitch in Scots sae he can be in nae doot ye’re deadly serious.
Perhaps ask Professor Baird nicely if he or CM could present the petition at a formal ceremony to be held in an UN broom cupboard. Kill twa birds wi ane stane!
@Hatey 9.17am
Write up a bigly petition offering The Donald the croun, and beseeching him tae accept it. Use the Declaration Of Arbroath as a template.
But wait…surely there’s an oven ready and legitimate Stuart pretender Franz, Duke of Bavaria waiting in the wings? There would be a pleasing historical symmetry to a Stuart Restoration. Long Live Francis II!
Interestingly the line of succession then goes to his great nephew Prince Joseph Wenzel of Liechtenstein, so the Stuart King of Scots would also be ruling Prince of Liechtenstein.
I wonder how many Scots would now vote for a republic versus a monarchy post independence given the current execrable standard and performance of our elected officials?
“there’s an oven ready and legitimate Stuart pretender Franz, Duke of Bavaria”
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Be careful!
The Crown Prince, Francis of Bavaria (nae mair o yer wee bit German lairdies, H/T Alf!) is certainly a LEGITIMIST pretender.
But Stuart he is not. The last royal Stuart, Cardinal King Henry IX and I (as he was styled, though NOT by his boss the Pope) died in 1807, having succeeded his brother Charles III, the çi-devant Young Pretender of Whig nightmares, in 1788.
The Crown Prince’s heir presumptive is his brother Max, whose eldest daughter is next in line She is Sophie, Duchess of Bavaria and Princess of Liechtenstein. Her husband has no bloodline succession right. Their son, the Prince you cite, does.
Most people that write Scotlands history come from outwith the Country of Scotland of Scotland itself.
To delete a nation after wars, to annex it, or claim it you get rid of its back ground history, remove the spoils and treasures, burn or tear up books.
This undoubtable happened to Scotland piece by piece, little by little,
The history of Countries is rewritten by someone else.
It is not just Scotland this has happened too, this was done in Wales, England and Ireland to,
I was watching a programme by Lucy Wosley on the English wars of the roses, whereby the propaganda afterwards invented a different background cover story.
If an attempt is made to research certain Irish parliament records you will find that they too suffered from a fire,
A bit more difficult to be rid of heiroglyph language of stones and standing stones from the many sites from Egypt to Scotland.
Defacing some at best, but many remain,
Stolen history, destroyed history,
The supposed stolen stone of destiny is a fine example for the evidence of the attempts made to change history of one nation by another,
Religion does the same, it re- writes laws of the lands
And banning languages and culture across continents has this effect,
Someone else always imposes their new version over ancient history,
This is change of old history, culture, religion and laws is taken shape in Britain at the moment wether by force or politics or that of kings,
History is bunk.
Henry did a lot more for me and for the world than you’ll ever do, so he wins the argument.
Argument! What am I like? There’s no argument!
Completely OT but is the ‘war’ in the middle east ‘over’ or just forgotten about ? I hear nothing on the ‘news’ , I see nothing in the ‘press’ or of the millions trying to survive in a bombed out ,water less, food less , hospital less region.
Who has closed the door? Who wants it ignored?
It’s over. We won. With the exception of one dead body, President Trump got all the hostages home.
Check out the BBC Online and you’ll find pics of well-nourished, well-dressed, happy, Gazan kiddies going back to school.
There’s still some mopping up to be done at the source of the conflict, the Female Genital Mutilators in Tehran, but looks like karma (and President Trump) is coming for them too.
Do try not to choke on your breakfast. Our SNHS has real problems it needs to prioritise.
It’s over. We won. With the exception of one dead body, President Trump got all the hostages home.
I suspect it won’t be over until we see some strange fruit in turbans swinging from the lamp posts of Tehran Hatey.
Whether the orange man-baby will actually follow through on his threats against the mullahs to stop the butchering of Iranian democracy protesters or face more military action is another question of course.
He’s probably too pre-occupied trying to get the JCS to agree to occupy Greenland.
@Andy Ellis
There was more in my original post but it went to moderation.
I was writing about the pictures on the BBC online of well-nourished, well-dressed, happy kids returning to school for the first time in two years.
As for our greatest living half-Scot, I’m sure he can multi-task sufficiently to order military operations in two places at once.
You hear what the media is directed to let you hear about.
Its a constant feed of wrong or misleading reporting. It crosses most MSM and its utterly insidious Of course the Ukraine – Russia war is ongoing. But by and large its off the agenda.
Now it’s Iran. And of course what started out as reports about Venezuela being a drug problem it now emerges that it was all to do with oil and geo politics.
And who is reporting on the woman on hunger strike languishing in an English jail for peaceful legitimate protest. Now into the fifty plus day death zone, we are not hearing much about that.
But maybe as an example the BBC stitching together a fake piece about Donal Trump calling for violence shows just how foul the media is.
Donkey feed, donkey control, and the donkeys, to a large extent buy what they are told. Or is it moderation?
“And who is reporting on the woman on hunger strike languishing in an English jail for peaceful legitimate protest. Now into the fifty plus day death zone, we are not hearing much about that.”
What is there to say? “Fuckwit still hungry.” There’s no news until she either stops or dies.
Breaking into a factory and attacking a policewomen with a hammer so severely that it broke her spine is an odd action to describe as “peaceful and legitimate”.
Indeed Henry 111 father Earl of Cambridge, according to DNA does not appear to be his father at all, Ceciley Nevelle seems to have had alternative friends while hubby was away at war,
Meanwhile Henry V111 appears to claim that his two daughter were illgitimate,
Not surprised that modern day monarchs refuse to supply their DNA to testing. To many Fitz- somebodies going around in them days of old also,
Henry III’s father was NOT the “Earl of Cambridge.”
James’s grasp of history is as laughable as his spelling.
I agree that a lot of history is bunk, most is just tail spun yarns.
The treaty of York 1237 between Scotland and England has as much merit to it as the the treaty of union 1707,
As treaties are often erased and debunked. And as you once mentioned they are just old guff that nobody pays attention too,
@ FEARGHAS MAC FHIONNLAIGH, @ ALF BAIRD, @ ANDY ELLIS.
COMING FROM AN ANCIENT CULTURE whose language, various iterations of the North West Semitic language Aramaic, was once a lingua franca of the Near East, old Persia and with «pockets» in India and China I am aware of the matter of origins, of its fascination and of its potential for division.
Arabization or Persianization of Aramaic/Syriac communities is an on going concern. Fiction, myth and outright lies are encountered with surprising frequency in this domain even from sources academic, I ignore those from politicians, which ought to be more exacting in their analysis.
When the Romans arrived in Scotland they will have encountered a relatively small population speaking a variety of «Brythonic» dialectal isolates, possibly mutually unintelligible, though Jackson re Pictish has suggested there were possible remnants of a non Indo European tongue which manifests itself in toponyms defying interpretation through Brittonic or Goidelic.
The paucity of linguistic material which may be «Pictish» does confound authoritative investigation but place names are informative. Interestingly, for me, «Pit» is very like semitic «bet, vet, beth» meaning place, portion or house, coincidence? In Southern Scotland interpretations of toponyms reveal a language with affinities to Early Welsh e.g modern forms Glasgow, Clyde, Linlithgow, Bathgate, Penicuik, Aberdour, Trossach, Ecclefechan, Penpont et al. The references from Welsh sources to the «gwyr y gogledd», the people of Manau Gododdin and their battle with the Anglian invaders. Anglians whose insular west Germanic dialect became «Scottis», although the term «Inglis» was used earlier.
The Irish from Uladh appear to have arrived at the same time, 5th century? as the Anglians of Bernicia within the boundaries of modern Scotland.
The Irish dialect they spoke morphed into Scottish Gaelic but not without syntactic, phonological and minor lexical input from the Brittonic dialects neighbouring its kingdom of Dál Riata.
The Norseman complete the diversity tapestry Orkneyinga Saga, St Magnus etc.
My point is that Scotland/Alba/Caledonia/Skotland is not a one horse culture. No one faction has a claim to its heritage or to shape the country in its image.
English, the American version, dominates infotech media, the tyranny of English my parents call it, burning up & wiping out all that goes before it, if it not checked.
Diversity is a fire break, there should no squabbling over who designs its features.
I speak and read three forms of Arabic plus Syriac, French, English, some German, Spanish, Hebrew, Farsi and Turkish and mess about with Chinese, Japanese and Swahili….diversity is not killing this cat. My specialism is Mathematical Physics which offers some light relief from cultural mindgames.
Apologies to the Rev for deviating so far off piste.
TURABDIN.
And my sincere apologies to you for the rather exasperated tone of my initial comment. (Though you will perhaps appreciate where I was coming from.)
Many positive discussion points arise from your post, but I must give very brief attention to only a couple for now.
Not sure if Jackson’s notion of a pre-Pictish “non-Indo-European” presence is still current.
A possible Semitic connection with some words is fascinating. The P-Celtic Pictish term “pit” has the cognate Q-Celtic term in Gaelic “cuid” (“portion”). The Brittonic (ie “British”) Picts are designated “Cruithnich” in Gaelic (we note again the initial P/B sound becoming C/K).[I know YOU know all this but am pointing it out for general readers]. As also in the Welsh word for “Head”, ie “Pen”, equaling Gaelic “Ceann” (Anglicised “Kin”, as in Kinlochleven etc).
I have wondered if Semitic “Beth” manifests in Gaelic “Bùth/ Both” and English “Booth”. The name “Buchanan” for example is from Gaelic “Both a’ Chanain” (“Hut/ Residence of the [clerical] Canon”).
A useful site for deciphering Scottish place-names is the database:
AINMEAN-ÀITE NA hALBA / GAELIC PLACE-NAMES OF SCOTLAND at:
link to ainmean-aite.scot
I might also take the opportunity to draw attention to a recent quality illustrated book investigating the Gaelic and Welsh roots of Glasgow place-names:
GLASGOW’S GAELIC PLACE-NAMES by Alasdair C. Whyte
With my greatest respect,
Fearghas.
See this?
The genetic landscape of Scotland and the Isles
link to pnas.org
“I speak and read three forms of Arabic plus Syriac, French, English, some German, Spanish, Hebrew, Farsi and Turkish and mess about with Chinese, Japanese and Swahili….diversity is not killing this cat.”
Whit, ye bide here an ye dinna hiv ony Scots leid in yer heid?
Whit aboot ‘oor’ diversity?
You’re plummeting, Alf.
Dinna be daft, Alf.
Us Scots fowk be ane o the wrechit o the Earth… ye micht as weel expect a hantle o coortesy praisentit oan a silver plaitter wrappit aboot wi ribbon afore ither, graunder , fowk see fit tae coont us pairt o thair diversitie.
Nothing has changed since I was a child…
We Scots are still looked at doun the noses o oor ‘betters’ as if we are shit-oan-a-stick e’en tho as a people we are generally better mainert and mair inventive, clever, bright, brilliant, sharp, quick-wittit, smert, canny, astute, intuitive, alert, insightful and perceptive than mony ither fowk aboot this Earth – specially thaim wha leeve neist door tae us.
The Scots inventit maist o the modern world efter aw.
“You’re plummeting, Alf.”
Only in your eyes, Gael.
And only because Professor Baird challenges your false narrative on the importance of Gaelic to the people of Scotland, and your erroneous insistence that Gaelic is a national language of Scotland when it’s only spoken by less than a quarter of 1% of the indigenous population.
Also, ‘plummet’ means something other in the language of the Scots than your intended meaning… in Scots it’s a pommel or knob on the hilt of a sword. Sometimes weighted with lead.
An appropriate definition as Alf often runs your arguments clean through the heart and kills them stone dead with his metaphorical sword.
“plummeting”
The point, which you appear to have missed, is that our friend wha comes here tae bide notes he speaks some 12 languages, yet he disna bather lairnin ony o his host fowk’s languages, neither Scots nor Gaelic.
For what then do you offer your “greatest respect”?
Alf writes: « The point, which you appear to have missed, is that our friend wha comes here tae bide notes he speaks some 12 languages, yet he disna bather lairnin ony o his host fowk’s languages, neither Scots nor Gaelic. For what then do you offer your “greatest respect”? »
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Alf,
The point, rather, which you yourself appear to have missed, is that TURABDIN clearly knows exponentially more about Scottish linguistics than 90% of native Scots. We should therefore fairly assume he has some working aquaintance with Scots and Gaelic. TURABDIN has my greatest respect for that. And he should have yours.
References skimmed from TURABDIN’s post –
« Brythonic, Pictish, Goidelic.»
« Welsh sources to the “gwyr y gogledd”, the people of Manau Gododdin and their battle with the Anglian invaders…whose insular west Germanic dialect became «Scottis», although the term «Inglis» was used earlier.
« The Irish dialect they spoke morphed into Scottish Gaelic but not without syntactic, phonological and minor lexical input from the Brittonic dialects neighbouring its kingdom of Dál Riata. »
« The Norseman complete the diversity tapestry Orkneyinga Saga, St Magnus etc.»
« English, the American version, dominates infotech media, the tyranny of English my parents call it, burning up & wiping out all that goes before it, if it not checked. »
“disna bather lairnin ony o his host fowk’s languages, neither Scots nor Gaelic”
Whoops! Correction required.
“disna bather lairnin ony o his host fowk’s MINORITY languages, neither Scots nor Gaelic”
And why should he.
I guarantee there are no readers on Wings, whether above or below the line, who aren’t literate in English.
And another thing. I’d be obliged if any of the eternal wangers oan and oan aboot Scots could point to any article Rev Stu has ever penned in either Scots or Gaelic.
If there aren’t any, then perhaps the eternal wangers oan and oan aboot Scots should develop the courage of their convictions and get tae.
They could form their own site. Take turn about posting and commenting in blissful happiness.
@ Northcode says:11 January, 2026 at 10:43 pm
“‘plummet’ means something other in the language of the Scots than your intended meaning… in Scots it’s a pommel or knob on the hilt of a sword. Sometimes weighted with lead”
Awa wi yer racist assumption that we’re a’ thick, uneducated Jocks, Northy. Some of us clearly see through yer pseudo-intellectual posturing.
“Plummet” is derived from the Latin for lead, “plumbum”.
In this case, and certainly in many others, your so-called “Scots” is cod Latin inexpertly picked up from an earlier wave of colonisers – the Romans and their side kicks.
Scottish National Dictionary (pre 1700)
PLUM(M)ET, -at, n. Also: plwm(m)-, plumb-, plomand -ett, -it.
Only Sc.: The pommel or knob on the hilt of a sword.‘Sometimes weighted with lead’.
[ME. and e.m.E. plomet (Wyclif), -ette (Caxton), plommet (1483), plummet(te (1494), ball of lead used for various purposes, OF. plommet, plombet, plummet, ball of lead, dimin. of plomb lead.]
Scottish National Dictionary (1700–)
PLUMMET, n. Sc. usage: the pommel of a sword, freq. weighted with lead
The reason the Scots language is of central importance to the matter of independence is because it is primarily the Scots language and Scottish culture that gies Scots fowk oor national consciousness and oor national identity.
Without this national consciousness and national identity there could be no Scottish independence movement. The basis of the Scottish independence movement is therefore the solidarity of Scots language speakers, aboot twa million o us still the day.
Which, by implication, confirms that the Scottish independence movement is obviously not dependent on the English language; as one would expect, the latter gives people an English (or supposedly ‘British’) identity, thus making identity of the colonized ‘uncertain’ (Memmi).
‘Cultural assimilation’ and language subordination of native Scots language will obviously tend to shift allegiance awa fae Scottish independence, which is the intention of Linguistic Imperialism.
And neither is the Scottish independence movement dependent, nor could it ever be dependent, on 50,000 Gaelic speakers.
Which explains why the British state disna fund nor lairn the Scots langage tae Scots bairns in schuils! And why the Scots language is and remains, despite its ongoing discrimination and subordination, a determinant of Scottish independence:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
@ Alf Baird says: 12 January, 2026 at 11:06 am
“Scots language speakers, aboot twa million o us still”
I’ll do the math.
That’s aboot three an a hauf million Scots wi nae Scots.
If you believe that Scots language speakers are the people who support Indy, and English speakers are the yoons, gi it up noo, Alf.
Ye’re wasting yer time.
@ Northcode says: 12 January, 2026 at 10:33 am
“plomet (Wyclif), -ette (Caxton), plommet (1483), plummet(te (1494), ball of lead used for various purposes, OF. plommet, plombet, plummet, ball of lead, dimin. of plomb lead.]
Scottish National Dictionary (1700–)”
Fit swickery are ye aboot noo, Northy?
Are ye trying tae deny these are all derived from the Latin for lead?
Are ye trying tae deny the Romans preceded 1700 and even 1494?
Yer condescending assumption we all zip up the back o oor heids is tantamount tae anti-Scots racism.
Haha, by your own definition. Those of us not congenitally cringing can laugh it off.
“I’ll do the math.”
2+3 = 10
It’s hardly worth the effort, but let’s gie it juist wan mair try, eh?
Defintion of the Scots word Plummet on the DSL
The Scots language, commonly known as “Scots”, for those who aren’t yet aware has recently been declared one of the national languages of Scotland, alongside Gaelic, by the Scottish Government.
Yet another inconvenient trowth for unionists (colonialists if preferred… same thing) to thrash aboot in frenetic frenzy ower attemptin tae persuade us indigenous Scots (Jocks they call us – and no meant in a nice way aither) itherwise.
Us Scots kin be shuir we’re richt aboot a thing whin the Inglis try sae haurd tae tell us we’re awfu wrang aboot it.
“I might also take the opportunity to draw attention to a recent quality illustrated book investigating the Gaelic and Welsh roots of Glasgow place-names:
GLASGOW’S GAELIC PLACE-NAMES by Alasdair C. Whyte”
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Seconded.
It is excellent- even if you don’t know Glasgow. Wonderfully accessible, far from the sole preserve of scholarly Fearghas!
A hiv makkit this short Sunday sermon…
First: Ither fowks cultures are mild cuiriosities tae me tho a widnae dream o commentin’ oan thaim yont ruisin thair guid pints if ony and hauden ma tongue if nane.
Tho if a culture had the nature of a coloniser aboot it… then a wid hae nae problem condemnin’ it since it wid hae nuthin but contempt fir me and ma fowk and ither peaceful peoples o Earth.
Hou and iver thon micht be this mair important message fowk shoud see.
So the moral o ma wee sermon is this, be better men, ye pricks… or God WILL fuck ye up.
Amen.
“Tho if a culture had the nature of a coloniser aboot it… then a wid hae nae problem condemnin’ it since it wid hae nuthin but contempt fir me and ma fowk and ither peaceful peoples o Earth.”
BILLY KAY: ‘SCOTS IS DESCENDED FROM NORTHUMBRIAN’ —
« The language of the Angles, Inglis, brought north from Northumbria into Berwickshire in the seventh century, remained the language of a minority in Scotland; but even when the power of Gaelic was at its height and it was absorbing other linguistic groups, the people of this south-east corner continued speaking Inglis.
« Part of the great northern dialect area of Old English, the Inglis of the settlers was a Germanic language brought to Britain during the folk migrations from northern Germany by Anglo-Saxon tribes around the fifth century AD.
« The major dialects of Old English – Kentish, West Saxon, Mercian and Northumbrian – probably reflect the pattern of settlement by Angle, Saxon and Jute, and their respective dialects, in different parts of Britain.
« Scots is descended from Northumbrian, while Standard English emerged from the East Midland dialect of Mercia. Although markedly different, the Old English dialects did share a common store of vocabulary. Due to the different linguistic developments in the separate states of Scotland and England, however, the language of England lost many old words which are retained in Scots.
« Examples of these include dicht (to wipe), sweir (reluctant), blate (diffident), reik (smoke) and greet (to weep). Characteristic Scots sounds, too, such as coo and hoose for cow and house, or richt and nicht for right and night, were common to all the Old English dialects but disappeared from Standard English due to sound shifts which occurred in Southern and Midland dialects. If antiquity was any justification for a language’s survival, a special case could certainly be made for Scots against Standard English, as guardian of an older form of English.
« This Northumbrian Inglis held on to its heartlands in the South-east, while Gaelic made spectacular gains elsewhere in the kingdom until its expansion was arrested at the end of the eleventh century. It was as if Inglis was biding its time until the political moment was right for its star to rise at the expense of Gaelic.
« There [the Inglis Lothians] the Scottish court was wide open to influences from the south, and political turmoil in England at the end of the eleventh century was to have far-reaching effects on Scotland’s subsequent linguistic history. Here we can pinpoint the exact moment when Gaelic began its decline as the language of status in Scotland, to be superseded over the following centuries by the Germanic language called variously Inglis, Scots or English. »
(Extracted from ‘SCOTS: THE MITHER TONGUE’ by Billy Kay, pp 50-53)
Northcode writes « Tho if a culture had the nature of a coloniser aboot it… then a wid hae nae problem condemnin’ it since it wid hae nuthin but contempt fir me and ma fowk and ither peaceful peoples o Earth. »
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Please ponder this comment:
link to wingsoverscotland.com
2016: Salmond leads a trade delegation to Tehran and suggests a “Scotland Week” in Iran.
2026: Salmond’s erstwhile fans stand with JK Rowling in calls supporting Donald Trump in a strategic bombing campaign and regime change campaign in Iran.
Funny old world!
link to scotcourts.gov.uk – to watch tomorrow Monday 12th Jan from 09.30 the Court of Session case of Craig Murray applying for judicial review of the Terrorism Act 2000 [Proscribed Organisations] [Amendment] Order 2025.
In England there is a judicial review case on the same subject. The UK government is opposing the Scottish case on the grounds that the English case decision should also apply to Scotland!
Scotland’s separate legal jurisdiction was preserved by the Treaty of Union. If the UK government win their argument then Scotland’s status is threatened.
This is why we have to resist, and spread the word so people understand Scotland’s rights.
This court case has a crowdjustice.com crowdfunder “Scottish Challenge to the Proscription of Palestine Action”. Target £70,000 – currently £51,143.
Great news, sarah.
Personally, I can’t wait until it becomes legal to march through Scotland’s streets, chanting about “rivers” and “seas”, etc.
I have a muckle hammer too. Let me about an aircraft or two, see if I can’t bring it down on some unsuspecting zionist’s heid.
Crowdfund Arabic classes next, sarah. Let’s get the chants right.
Any word of a crowdfund for the ayatollahs? Surely Scottish women like yourself must be among the staunchest supporters of the medieval, patriarchal regime?
Great news, sarah.
Personally, I can’t wait until it becomes legal to march through Scotland’s streets, chanting about “rivers” and “seas”, etc.
I have a muckle hammer too. Let me about an aircraft or two, see if I can’t bring it down on some unsuspecting sap’s heid.
Crowdfund Arabic classes next, sarah. Let’s get the chants right.
Any word of a crowdfund for the ayatollahs? Surely Scottish women like yourself must be among the staunchest supporters of the medieval, patriarchal regime?
Hatey, you could get the UK government to invite some of your Azov Brigade pals (the UK government loves them too, invites for drinks at Chequers etc) get the torches in and you could march about Edinburgh chanting and all sorts at night.
You’d be able to swap national hero Stepan Bandera anecdotes, who knows you may even be inspired to join the international Azov Brigade and help out more than just using your keyboard.
Don’t worry about the Oreshnik missiles the UK government announced a big cash injection to weapons R&D to keep Brit troops and mercenaries ahead of the game.
Go for gold Hatey, you’ll be a hero; what a guy!
@DaveL
Why don’t you practise swinging your keyboard at arms length. Firmly grip your keyboard on the short side, really put your legs, waist and back into it, focusing on pivoting about your vertical axis as fast as you can.
Just get a feel for it. From left to right and from right to left. Don’t hit anything (the wall, the TV, the missus) unless you really want to.
See what I mean? You won’t be mocking that in future!
What? You don’t like my suggestion? What’s wrong with you?
Go on tell us about Stepan Bandera then…
An article about Homeless Project Scotland:
link to unherd.com
Just finished listening to the live stream of the court of session proceedings in the case of the proceeding relating to the Scottish Courts having jurisdiction to hear acti9ns raised by Scots in Scotland.
Joanne Cherry KC very eloquently and expertly laid out why the action should be allowed to proceed.
I would not attempt to rerun her arguments but the hearing is well worth a listen because it summarises why it is so important on so many levels that silencing the Scottisgh courts is wrong.
The destruction of the Scottish legal system and indeed Scotland is very much part of this. But so is the right of honest decent people’s rights to congregate and express peaceful comment.
Many people, peaceful innocent people, are facing grave convicti9ns as terrorists and th3 law of their land, and tge courts of their land are being denied the right to review indeed if the Court of Session rul3s in favour of Mr Murray petition this will r3sult in the squashing of the pot3ntial convictions currently being pursued.
Important, crucially important, and so much more so than many of our fellow citizens realise.
Decision expected in aroundca week.
Maybe Rev Stu would do a piece on this cas3 and put up a video of the court live stream
@ Willie at 10.52 a.m., many thanks for posting your report on this morning’s court case. It is good to know the decision will be so quick – usually it seems to drag on for months.
Did you get any impression of the judge’s response to Joanna’s argument?
Sarah,
It will come to many eventually that they will have to make a decision on wether the treaty of union is old rubbish wrote on old parchment paper, to old to make count,
That the treaty is binding only on Scotland,
But not Englands Great Britain parliament.
In the case of Lord Gray in the select Commitee we see it wrote down That the treaty is not binding on the parliament of Britain,
If Scotland wishes to be excluded from these many impositions on law it must use its brains a little bit more than clinging to an old story that no one in Scotland ever witnessed.
The Sentence you repeat, that the UK case ?
That the English decision must apply to Scotland..
The delimma here for England is the very fact it is contesting the Scottish case.???
Admits that there are two sets of differing laws between Scotland and England, and the parliament of the UK parliament of Anglo- Ireland.
Scotland has to realise that it is a strange treaty that separates Scotland as a Country from the rest of Britain that and that only Scotland is bound to uphold its half of that treaty,
Whilst England and Englands half of the treaty does as it pleases.
There are those in Scotland that cling on to the one sided old crumbled treaty that I cannot fathom.
There is no reason or rhyme to their purposeful imaginations. Other than wanting a union to exist.
The parliament of England that made the new Anglo- Ireland united kingdom of Great Britain has no such hang-ups,
Those wishing and hoping the treaty exist today could test it in a dramatic way,
Take the BBC TV licence and the letters they send everyone in Scotland for instance.
Two sets of laws.
TV licence state it is a criminal offence not to pay if watching BBC programmes in Scotland.
On the other hand…
Article XV111 in the treaty of union states that the people of Scotland have Private Rights that are unalterable.
How is TV licencing going to enforce this,
As you’re private rights in Scotland, would include your private rights of your home against intrusion into your home of public bodies such as BBC, a corporation and public body, The police, which are also a public body,
Everyone in Scotland has these Private Rights if you believe that the treaty of union exists and everyone in Scotland could refuse to pay that public body or enforcement team of that public body intruding in their home and related to their privately bought TV that sits in their home,
It has to be the standard legal position in a treaty that States [private rights in Scotland ] in a treaty to-up hold those articles as mentioned as UNALTERABLE,
Then you decide if other bigger laws of Scotland were alterable or not,…like free speech in Scotland
the private right to chose the energy source that heats your home in Scotland.
The private right to belief in sex is determined biologically. Not through public agendas.
, the private Right for all Scottish people to self determination without permission required.etc,
These Private Rights are for the people in Scotland not for public bodies.
Your either into a full on belief that the treaty of union still binds Scotland or it is a farcical hoax.
You cannot be selective in the articles picked out just when it pleases.
Because Private Rights of the people in Scotland would be included in all laws from Westminster parliament and all laws that applied to Scotland,
And this is where it becomes very complicated for the Snp and the devolved governance.
They either trust they are part of a union with England and must adhere to all those articles the treaty or deny the Private Rights of the Scottish people in a 1707:treaty of union that are stated as…..unalterable.
Which would cause chaos and make…void…pretty much all the laws they have passed since coming into power in the devolved governance,
As they would intrude on the [ private Sovereign rights of the Scottish people ]… by [ public bodies such as government laws ]
Westminster parliament have been trying to alter article XV111 for a long period of time to complete the Union, as Scotlands laws differ from the laws of England.
But it States that Article XV111 is UNALTERABLE.
Even for a incomplete union to hold they must retain all the articles.
Good points, James!
More and more I see what Cunningham Grahame meant when he said that the problem for regaining Scotland’s rightful status is the Scots who have a lack of imagination. They cling to the incorrect version of the “Union” and will not listen to the truth of the matter.
Time for a reminder:
In braw rich Scots leid:
Ther scarce be a wird pit doun here fae colonialists (unyonists if preferryd… baith be alike) that’s onythin’ ither than abuise, threit, lie, errure, afftak, diveesion, diversioun, distractioun, logicale fallace, or hatesome antiScot rethorik.
In threidbare English:
There’s barely a comment posted here by colonialists (unionists if preferred… same thing) that is anything other than insult, threat, lies, error, mockery, division, diversion, distraction, logical fallacy, or hateful anti-Scots rhetoric.
As ever, Northcode, this is the sad truth. I cannot for the life of me understand how any Scot would want their country and culture subsumed by another, nor anyone on general principle would wish that to happen to anyone else.
You’ve got it all arse over tit, sarah.
There’s no true, Sovereign, patriotic Scot who wants to see his or her country represented on the world stage by congenital dunderheids.
Whether that’s in the highest echelons of power (Hollyrood), or down at the grassroots level on Wings BTL.
There is little that damages Scotland more than the demented ravings of eejits. The demented ravings of eejits are never going to advance the cause you support.
Simply tolerating an eejit because “his heart is in the right place” won’t cut it.
Unless you intend to storm HR with a Kalashnikov, you need to inspire unconvinced Sovereign Scots to support your cause. There are many strands you could pull on to convince them – competency, the economy, realpolitik, accountability – all come to mind. There are plenty of others
Unconvinced Sovereign Scots won’t warm to cringy bleating victim-hood, never-ending wanging oan about a language they don’t speak (Scots), or cheer-leading for the humous scum who have spent the past 20 years utterly destroying the future of their own people.
The cultural assimilation process seeks to make the colonized ‘into something else’ (Memmi).
Colonialism is described as ‘hateful racism’ (Cesaire) in part because it subordinates and invalidates the language and culture of the colonized, whilst elevating the language and culture of the colonizer.
The colonized are made to believe this ‘colonial hoax’ which leads them also to ‘internalize’ the racism they suffer (Fanon), resulting in the ‘self-hatred’ or ‘cringe’ that we see btl here and elsewhere.
Hence the colonized suffer from two racist aspects: 1. that colonialism itself is racism, and; 2. that the colonized also suffer from internalized racism.
And these aspects of racism and hence ethnic oppression which become institutionalised in a colonial society tend to be ‘obscured’ (Memmi) due to cultural assimilation.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
MacDiarmid was certainly conscious of the reality of colonialism, identity and loss of nationality for Scots under English domination, as weel as the critical importance o oor ain Scots mither tongue tae wha we are, still:
“A Scottish poet maun assume
The burden o’ his people’s doom,
And dee to brak’ their livin’ tomb.
Mony ha’e tried, but a’ ha’e failed.
Their sacrifice has nocht availed.
Upon the thistle they’re impaled.
You maun choose but gin ye’d see
Anither category ye
Maun tine (lose) your nationality.”
I dunno what edition you’re looking at, Alf.
But there’s no “(lose)” in the last line you quote in mine.
I’m guessing you’ll now be inundated with clued-up posters all keen to correct your error, just like me.
Aye, weel spattit, Hatey.
Ye shoud mebbe get a wee jobby as a colonial watchdug?
Ye hiv tae handit tae MacDiarmid tho:
colonialism’s a ‘livin tomb’ for Scots richt eneuch;
an, whaur oor fowk ‘tine (i.e. lose) thair nationality’.
MacDiarmid kent a hunner year ago that Scots were colonized!
Aye, Alf, weel spattit.
The extra word wrecked the scansion, and that would have sore aggrieved Grieve.
My prediction about you being inundated with other correcting comments was, of course, tongue in cheek. The usual suspects excel at talking the talk. Walking the walk is a different matter.
Did Christopher ken we were colonised? Or did he just think we lack the gumption for Indy?
He would probably have been familiar with the too wee and too poor claims, but as he died in 1978, he probably never had to thole the bitter dregs of the “Independence In Europe” sell out.
Perhaps that would have galvanised him to write a new poem.
“Walking the walk is a different matter.” Aye for sure it’s hard yards when you’re goose stepping everywhere.
Looky here, Professor Baird.
DaveL wants to discuss classic poetry written in the Scots leid.
This is gonna be great!