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Trotters on the desk?!
Send for Orwell.
Brilliant, Chris – you even have us looking through the window.
Life imitating the art of obfuscation and deflection. What we are watching here is of course ‘the tractors’. Damnation is too good for them! Why people vote for these shysters is beyond me.
Closed for annual stock shredding.
Flippin’ the bird. Lol
That middle finger to us all sums her up perfectly.
Brilliant Chris. Hopefully the glass will be replaced with bars soon and she gets to share it with Lloyd
Excellent ‘toon. Sums the SNP up nicely…
The Sneaky Nothing-to-see-here Party.
Bravo Mr Cairns
Brilliant, Chris!
What evidence we have seen so far in the Covid inquiry shows just how much contempt the SNP/Green government have for the Scottish people . The families of the bereaved must truly be sickened by this lot. This week must finally be the nail in the SNP/Greens coffin in Scotland.
Captures the contempt these troughers have for the public perfectly, Chris. And catching her in an unguarded moment of forgetfulness as she flashes a clean pair of heels, because her feet are normally planted well-and-truly under the table.
I also share the sentiments of others and would love to see the day she’s on the other side of a prison exercise yard but something strongly tells me that’s never going to happen. The Teflon Tractor will slip the clutches of justice, her Unionist buddies will make sure of that. 😉
Hahaha, very good Chris
Oh Den, if only it were to turn out so!
It is Scotland’s only chance to escape from the insanity that has swamped Scotland’s politics for the past ten years and more.
However, Scotland’s problem is that about half of the electorate will STILL vote SNP, no matter what.
What bugs me is that under our insane electoral system some 56 MSPs are not elected at all; and some of those not elected are Government Ministers, for example Slater & Harvie.
Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.
We also have the so-called ‘Greens’ who are hardly out of school and who have done nothing in their lives, telling the country what it should be doing. We have the Humzas of this life, and there are many, whose only job has been politics. Because they have no real EXPERIENCE, these people simply do not know what so many people in Scotland have to deal with every day of their lives.
Scotland deserves better. Much better.
Charles ( not the R one) amen to that.
Bang on Chris, the deceits and cover ups are many.
Meanwhile Robin McAlpine has an excellent article on Nato and Atlanticism, and why an indy Scotland needs no part of either.
http://robinmcalpine.org/the-great-thing-about-atlanticism/
Charles says on 27 January 2024 at 11:04 am: “Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.”
Bullseye! Nail hit very squarely on head. And to add to that we also have unelected troughers like Murdo Fraser who for over 20-years has never been elected by the public. A Tory trougher put in place by his Party and, just like the rest of them, has achieved absolutely nothing of note other than a superior bank balance. It is “truly insane” that we allow this situation and allow these troughing failures to make important decisions for us. Madness doesn’t even begin to describe it.
The Peoples University of China previously known as Glasgow University has produced some of the lowest forms of Scottish character.
It might be just as well that Scottish students aren’t allowed there anymore.
Careful, Chris, the SNP’s world-famous rebuttal unit will be on to you.
It’s the Westminster voting system.
They probably set it up like that because they knew there’d be very little yoons voted in given time & they were right. 2007 – just seven year for Salmond to rise.
The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit. It’s not designed for an overall majority so if Scots used their noggin that parly would be a super pro Indy parly.
Sturgeon, the Yoon, locked out that option in 2021. She preferred to work with yoons because yoons wouldn’t push her on independence whereas a super pro Indy parliament would have.
All *both votes SNP* does is allow yoons in & the SNP & Greens to be unaccountable & force through unpopular GRR. (If Alba had been in the cheap seats it’d never have passed) That’s why she bad mouthed Salmond on national telly to make sure that didn’t happen.
Coss party committees are supposed to scrutinise policy through various stages – they’re also asleep at the wheel. That could be argued that’s deliberate – give the SNP enough rope etc, but
There ain’t half some very witty people here on Wings.
I love it!
What’s the ‘rude row’?
Did I miss that by not watching the ‘Covid Inquiry?
Summed up the whole sorry situation perfectly, Chris. That middle finger, the feet on the sill, the closed sign. Gutting but true.
How many of the Scottish populace see the truth about the SNP government? They are only being informed about Sturgeon’s criticism of Johnson – of course, a popular thing to have done.
Sadly, I fear that the SNP high heid yins will all get away with their incompetence and treachery. How I wish that weren’t the case.
ICJ judgement just in –
palestinians are getting themselves deliberately killed to make israel look bad.
this isnt genocide, this is rock n roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTIsnYPG4lU
nazis on the internets are claiming libel and defamation for being compared to israelis
gawd save benji nyetanhoo
and zionists on the lam
they wasnt being wicked
they was just having fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMqGj3z-5XY
what’s the point of human misery, if someone else can’t have a good old laff at it – as jonny rotten once called it “cheap holiday … ”
I felt unsafe today, so I went out and killed all my neighbours in the street, then blew their houses up via gas explosions. I still feel unsafe, for the survivors could be hiding under the rubble harbouring murderous thoughts against me, for no reason whatsoever.
– I think Biden should send me F16s. It could be the 2% ashkenazi in me – I’ll tell you what happened to me, but never what I did.
my granny was a holocaust denier, so I sent her to a rabbi to learn of their religion, then I sent her to a professor to learn of their history; when she returned I asked her what she thought of the holocaust now? She said she couldn’t believe it happened only once.
but in a strange karmic balance my grandad destroyed 100 german planes in ww2 – worst mechanic the luftwaffe ever hired
when you look at western politicans – their desire to force unpopular policies on their people, to destroy their own nations – you start to think ALL of them might be on the take, or being blackmailed; if you aren’t bought and paid for, you don’t get the gig; the few honest men are easy to spot by the hatred they get.
” Scottish Information Office, Closed ”
Was it ever open I wonder. Like many of the SNP’s boasts, just a sham.
The prime example is their latest decision to refuse to report one word of the Hamilton inquiry. Unbelievable.
I do hope this decision is challenged and the Commissioner takes them to court again.
I am sick of reading the phrase ‘not in the public interest’ when they really mean ‘not in the SNP’s interest’
..post locked..
Was going to add, be sure to read manifestos.
The Green horrors are all in it. GRR, Fishing, Bottle return & jury reforms.
Sturgeon & the SNP did a despicable & unforgivable thing by transferring a vote for independence straight to the Greens manifesto for absolutely no reason other than she knew she was leaving & wanted Self ID passed. Well probably discover later that was for a backhander.
Great cartoon. It should be bars for Emelda. She ran her own wee internal mafia & is no better than BoJo for blatant lies & skulduggery during a crisis. She should’ve been out since 2017, when the rot was setting in, when she lost all those WM seats, but the narcissist held on while others would’ve stepped down in shame.
Ruby
She called BoJo “a clown”
& Westminster “A shower”
It’s said on the radio her messages contained “expletives” & was “rude”
Yay! I thought – she’s called everyone C*nts!! Haha!
Nope – disappointed. Just a clown.
Since when was clown promoted tobeing an expletive?
@Confused 12:09
I remain flummoxed.
129 Scotswomen and Scotsmen, good and true, is all that is needed to “seize” HR and enact the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies you claim are Scotland’s true wish.
Heck, you don’t even need that. 70 would see you with the majority you need to govern Scotland.
70 patriotic Scots, not professional politicians, not in hock to Washington, not troughing crims, not captured by gender woowoo or Zionist Nazi-ism. Are we really expected to believe these people can’t be found? Heck, there’s around 20 regular posters on here with iron-clad certainty they know the cures for all of Scotland’s ills. That just leaves 50 more to find from among the alert readership.
Are apathy, laziness and risk averseness really the reasons why nobody is prepared to take their chances? Is it a lingering manifestation of the Scottish Cringe – politicians are “special people” and although we know how to sort everything, we’re but humble “ordinary people” who can’t rise above our station?
Help me out, Confused, I’m flummoxed.
BTW, I hear there’s good salaries, expenses, pensions, etc. if it’s simply fear of losing the day job holding you back.
Humza will be pissed off now the UK stopped payments to his Hamas mates.
What will Humza Boy say now that the UK government has stopped payments to his mates in Hamas.
Genocide John
Of course they can be found.
The SNP removes them from the selection process.
If they weren’t a Sturgeon superfan, had a fake disability or had questions over the sanity of Self ID – they didn’t make the cut.
Do not pass go. Do not collect £80k.
Eejit.
Have you learned nothing since being a wasp on here?
Aww. Main believes the electoral system is functioning.
Bless !
Must admit, the boke started to rise when I misread the headline as “Sturgeon in ‘Nude’ Row. 😉
Remember people used to encourage you to buy The National — “it’s the only pro-Indy paper we have and we should support it…”
You don’t meet those guys nowadays.
The Great Satan (US) and one of favourite minions the (UK) really are run by vile b*stards.
“The UK is to pause funding for the UN’s key aid agency for Palestinian refugees after allegations that several of its employees took part in Hamas’s 7 October attacks in Israel last year.
The announcement comes after the US state department said it would provide no additional funding to the UN Relief and Works Agency until the allegations were addressed. Australia, Italy and Canada have also paused funding for the agency.
A statement from the UK Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) said: “The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.
“The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations. We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it.””
Unionist are fitted with an amnesia helmet.
The memory of a gnat.
How many articles has Stu written on Sturgeons woeful intake over brains & ability?
He’s even provided pictures like a pop up book of horrors of who no one of sound mind would select but miraculously made her shortlist as well as a step by step guide of the skulduggery that’s went on to bump Sturgeon superfans & self ID eejits up to the top of the selection process, exploiting the equality act.
She fcked the SNP & Holyrood by design. Scorched earth her policy. She’ll be awarded some gong later for being the longest serving Unionist in Holyrood that stopped the breakup of the UK.
Maccy Ds are missing their intake cause Sturgeon nicked them all.
I seem to recall a man being sent to prison for calling Sturgeon a rude word and yet here is she doing the self same thing.
Chris another belter and thank you so much for hiding that physog behind the misinformation waste of paper , I cannot stand looking at that coupon with its wee sparrows arse mooth that can churn oot lies like a machine gun
Confused hilarious as always,I would love to see you in politics tell genocide John you will put your name forward after him , geno always wants someone else to go first, just like his unionist mates
Tsk!
All that state of the art surveillance & monitoring tae & they missed that beazer? Not.
They’re really trotting out the propaganda.
How can these people live with themselves, disease and starvation are already rife in Gaza, as the Great Satan’s (USA’s) tip of the spear in the up and coming war against China, Australia announces that it too is also “pausing” any funding to the UNRWA.
Australia’s PM Anthony Albanese is a fool, and Australians will find themselves been drawn into wars they don’t want or need in the future.
@John Main 12.58pm
Fittingly given the subject matter of Chris’ latest excellent cartoon, the low information types infesting BTL comments don’t really the think through the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies they claim are Scotland’s true wish though do they?
They still insist – on no evidence at all – that being anti NATO, anti-EU and anti Great Satan will be a big plus for the independence movement. Odd that when challenged none of them ever come up with any evidence to support their sophomoric crank-left marxism.
It’s a bit like watching the bedraggled wee bunch of SSP types trying to make themselves look relevant of a weekend with their stall on Princes Street. I always feel kinda sorry for them.
Presumably when they and the usual suspects here take control our new sovereign citizens assembly (or will they just go balls in and call it a Soviet?) will have no truck with NATO, the EU, and the Great Satan and all it’s works….which seems a little odd given that at present the vast majority seem to support parties endorsing them.
Why…it’s almost like they don’t have any evidence isn’t it?
Perhaps Hatuey can cast some runes to tell us when the new “Brigadoon goes Albania” will be realised to give us all time to prepare?
Sturgeon must be convicted and punished. If the Scottish political and legal system wants to retain any respect and any cooperation from the people and the wider community then that little Fuck Wit has to go down. Not for vengeance (my preferred choice) but to ensure the system has any credibility at all. There must be sweeping changes. The position of the FM of Scotland must be clearly defined what they can and cannot do. The present situation of an unelected Muslim snake skin oil salesman having a private Hamas with the Mrs at our expense and in our name. Is insanity on a leash.
Sturgeon will be by word for power crazy hatred.
For Example:
” Oh he was acting like a sturgeon what a prick!”
The cream of society has turned. Can you smell that smell. whats that smell.
So the time for talking is over. Its time for action so I’m going the toilet.
President Xiden
Wasn’t that for threatening her assassination?
Hardly the same as calling a clown a clown.
Main says Russti will invade Portugal.
The ‘Nostradamus of Norfolk’ says Russti will be divided up within 4 years.
Sounds contradictory.
I’m holding my breath.
*Alba voted at conference not to support NATO.
*They also support EFTA.
*& We’re not great fans of the great Satan since one put it’s nebb into our independence referendum cause it’d have lost a poodle on the security council.
People interested supposedly interested in indy should have known that eh?
Leslie Riddoch should be made to pay back the money she took for her so called lectures.
Geri @12.02pm
‘The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit’
I have always been a huge critic of the AMS/D’Hondt system: whether it came about through accident or design, it is one of the greatest con tricks ever devised.
But I think your comment about voting for the same party on the regional and list vote simply muddies the waters. I repeat, from a previous comment, the system WAS gamed in 2021, when 185,000 SNP voters voted SNP1/Green 2.
And the SNP, led by Alex Salmond, came to power in 2007 BECAUSE OF SNP 1 & 2, and we rejoiced. The fact is that 90% of voters vote ‘1&2’ and will continue to do so because the list vote is an insurance against failure in the constituency vote.
That one element of the system is pure genius, as it greatly distorts the list counting component – once a party wins a single constituency seat, 50% of their list votes are quietly shredded, rising to 90% if winning all 8.
In addition, all 56 list seats are reserved for registered political parties, vastly reducing the chances of independents ever holding sway – should the voting public ever work out that political parties are the problem, not the solution.
But much as I hate to defend it, it was not AMS/D’Hondt which enabled SNP and Greens to force through the GRRB: there were 9 SNP rebels (plus one SNP coward who declined to vote) which meant that the bill could not pass without support from unionists…and that came is spades from Labour.
Geri thinks Alba represent the views of all the people of Scotland on NATO.
Q: Do you support or oppose Britain’s membership of NATO?
YouGov poll, 22/01/2024 (Scotland figures)
Strongly Support NATO: 49%
Tend to support NATO: 27%
Don’t know: 18%
Tend to oppose NATO: 3%
Strongly oppose NATO: < 3%
Strongly & Tend to Support totals for Scotland are higher than the whole UK figure.
Don't be like Geri folks.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/support-for-nato?crossBreak=scotland
Summed up brilliantly again, Chris, although I have to say she has risen a fraction in my estimation since those sweary tests emerged.
According to some news outlets the Ruskies have already won & so has Gaza.
Not through their belligerent leaders but by the populations who have absolutely zero intentions of signing up to their wackadoo madness & prefer protest instead of a uniform.
Satan has abandoned 404 in favour of I*real & they’ve fcked up reading the room of their neighbours.
Now 404 refugees are being asked to return to take up the slack..
Hmmmmm Return to get my head blown off or stay here in Canada? Thats a toughie. Decisions, decisions. I think they’ll pass.
With trend going downhill.
That last comment was to Ellis
A downward trend. Now look at the chart for nukes. Scotland strongly opposed.
& As NATO is a nuke alliance that buggers that.
The fact you keep failing to accept is you do not know, with any authority, what scotland thinks on a whole host of topics, until Scotland actually holds a referendum on the matter. Until then don’t claim to be an expert based on opinion polls that can change every day of the week depending on the daily news.
Scotland is ant war & anti nukes. We know that already by past events & protests.
Ebook – we can only hope that was because of the “free in 23” regards Green vote.
My message was cut off & follow up went into mod & I just left it. I agree on the both votes can be a good thing but SNP die hards don’t want to accept the more pro Indy parties the better. They’d keep each other in check.
@Geri: you asserting things are true, and them actually being true, are two completely different things. All we currently have to go on is polling evidence. You don’t have any, nor can you show any amongst parties with significant support that backs your claims up.
You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.
Post indy Scots may indeed vote for the removal of nukes, but they’re also overwhelmingly likely to vote in favour of NATO membership and EU membership. Most current NATO members don’t have nukes. Many prohibit their presence on their territory under any circumstances, while some allow them in times of crisis.
You’re not going to see supermajorities in favour overturned because of *reasons Geri pulled out of his arse*.
@ Geri at 5.10 pm
Aye, and one also needs to consider and not forget just how behind the curve and ill-informed the Scottish electorate are by malign influences of our MSM and politicians.
The electorate is constantly fed a load of shite and endures paying for all the flawed policy rollouts from both Westminster, Holyrood, and Local Authorities too.
EG. I visited a couple of my neighbours this afternoon to assess their adjacent fully taxpayer funded solar PV array installations and generation figures.
Both installs were completed in June last year and one has only managed to generate just 290 KWhs, and the other a laughably low 170 KWhs.
Both installs are utter shit as the siting of arrays is so compromised due to shading from buildings, trees, and even the rows of panels shading the rows behind.
That one array has generated a third less than the other shows how flawed the installs are.
290 KWhs at a KWh unit price of 30 pence means the “higher” performing array has only made about 90 quid’s worth of leccy, and both tenants have been getting through around 70 quid of leccy a week during the recent cold spell.
A 4KW PV system should be producing about 3400 KWhs a year, so 290 KWhs in over 7 months is nowhere near that figure.
NB. The arrays I describe above are south facing and will be performing considerably better than the two north facing installations I have previously mentioned.
That’s a lot of taxpayers’ money being spaffed away on greenwashing shite. I would have thought such low performance from dodgy installs would warrant an inquiry as to just how such a flawed initiative came to be.
Houthi’s take out the British-owned oil tanker Marlin Luanda in the Red sea yesterday.
My respect for Yemen grows by the day.
With various UK Tory governments having close connections with Israel, do you ever wonder where the Tories might have gotten the idea for their Rwanda plan?
“The Israeli prime minister is on an official visit to Uganda on Monday, July 3rd. He comes in particular for the commemoration of the Entebbe raid that allowed the release of the hostages of the Air France flight 40 years ago. His brother Yonatan Netanyahu lost his life. Since then, relations between the two countries have warmed. Israel, which is facing the influx of African immigrants, has decided to deport a number of them to a “safe third country” on a voluntary basis. Israel provided them with a travel document and $3,500. Nearly 10,000 people are said to have left Israel for Africa… The Sudanese mainly for Uganda, and the Eritreans for Rwanda. ”
https://www.rfi.fr/fr/afrique/20160703-israel-refugies-erythree-soudan-ouganda?google_editors_picks=true
Incidentally this article might give you an incite as to why the Ugandan judge on the ICJ bench voted in favour of Israel on every single action.
“Uganda-Israel: complex and little-known links”
https://www.rfi.fr/fr/afrique/20160703-ouganda-israel-liens-complexes-peu-connus-entebbe-netanyahu-museveni
Wow, a spate of infantile name calling from the usual suspects.
Yet it continues to be a free Scotland.
All that any poster on here has to do, confident that they have the answers, certain that they can’t be corrupted or compromised, sure that their neighbours will be swayed by their policies and honesty, is get aff their fat erses and stand.
Stand for local council, stand for HR, stand for WM. Whatever.
It would be great if Rev Stu would post an article, outlining just what has to be done, and how much it costs. Every one of the WM and HR incumbents that the regulars just love to hate so much, went through that process and persuaded enough voters to back them.
And if what I eternally read on here is correct, just about every one of these WM and HR incumbents is clueless, misguided, corrupt, compromised or tractorous.
All over Europe, people are forming new parties, giving up the day job, standing for office, and getting themselves elected. It could happen here too, even in Scotland.
And with the certain runaway support of the rest of Scotland, the Wings BTL regulars will be a shoe in. Heck, there’s even one or two I would vote for myself.
@RoS 4:00
Here in Scotland and across the wider U.K. we have strict rules against allowing murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers to have contact with vulnerable groups.
There are plenty of respectable humanitarian organisations, utilising vetted and above suspicion employees, who can take over, and won’t put the Palestinians at risk of further exploitation or injury by the very nasty people who have been unmasked hiding in UNRWA.
I am confident that if you think it through, and imagine yourself and your family in a situation of desperate need, the last thing you would want would be some violently murderous, or pervertedly rapacious criminal working his way into your confidence.
As a member of a «minority» the international community, UN etc could not give a f+++ about….the concern for the 16millions of the self described palastinian arabs leaves me rather unmoved.
5.5 million Scots are more likely to be «eliminated» than the above.
My parents live in the gulf where «palestinians» gravitate in order to make a living, the cutting views of many of the type regarding the current political situation would upset prim covert anti jewish Guardian readers.
A view from the uncensored «street».
In arabic it is not quite so black/white.
TURABDIN
I like the Spanish viewpoint on the religion of peace.
It’s not so long since the Spanish experienced that “peace” at first hand. The memory has been seared into their collective consciousness. So of All the major European countries, they are the most strongly opposed to experiencing it for a second time.
We should listen to them – they know of what they speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPKMRMVE4Y
Have you all seen this? It’s excellent.
There is also a clip of Alex Salmond speaking at the Holyrood Enquiry on Stu’s Twitter.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1751290568435474566
Powerful stuff.
I was able to sit through 3 hours of Alex Salmond giving evidence to the Holyrood Committee and I was riveted.
I was definitely not complaining that it was all too highfalutin for me.
Alex Salmond has a great skill. He is a superb communicator.
Sturgeon & Humza can’t hold my attention for even a minute.
Idiot Main – “Here in Scotland and across the wider U.K. we have strict rules against allowing murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers to have contact with vulnerable groups.”
Eg Isla Blair?
Funny to see yoons riding to the rescue of people they pretend to despise.
Main’ s gnomic gnonsense.
Spanish peace?
Could it be – The Inquisition? – Invasion of the New World, – Franco.
Fock knows.
John Main
13 January, 2024 at 8:11 pm
“I favour forgetting all Guff more Ancient than 60 years and making the simple economic case for Indy.”
Btw, Did the Spanish not expel the Jws because they opened the city gates for the Moors?
I understand everything Alex Salmond says and as I said I am riveted. I can listen to him for hours.
By comparison I haven’t a clue what the last four posts are about. Three from John Main & one from TURABDIN.
With the first one
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820131
I had to check that I wasn’t on an old thread. It was deja-vu all over agian!
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820134
Not a clue
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820135
Is he saying ‘Fuck the Palestians’ what about me?
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820136
What peace is he talking about that the Spanish experienced first hand?
JOHN MAIN
There are two views of «al andalous» aka islamic spain, a haven of tolerance for all or a hell for the non-muslim.
You make your selection according to sensibility. The haven of tolerance theme works in sections of western media.
The expression «a curat’s egg» applies to this world; good in parts if you’re lucky, otherwise keep your luggage pre packed to move on…travel light by choice.
It’s all in the semiotics 🙂
Holy Toledo!
The history of the city of Toledo in Spain is very interesting.
I used to know loads about Spain but I’ve forgotten.
I think the Jews were expelled by the Catholic kings in 1492
It is claimed that the Jews, the Moors and the gypsies all fleeing the inquisition got together in hiding. They danced together all doing their own traditional dances. As a result Flamenco was born.
Lets see if that is possible
Jewish dancing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHRe9qdfLsw
Gypsy dancing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6o9cA1wy0Y
I don’t know what Arab dancing is. All I could think about was belly dancing.
I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6o9cA1wy0Y
That is quite something.
Yes I can see Flamenco being a combination of Jewish, Gypsy & Arab dancing.
@TURABDIN
Thanks for your response.
It’s good to interact with an educated and knowledgeable poster. Keep the posts coming. We need to do what we can to improve the quality on here.
Spanish peace?
What could it mean?
Siesta?
The moments before entering the arena to face the bull?
An attack on Scottish independence?
Fock nose
We definitely need to improve the quality on here.
I have an idea how to improve the quality around here.
You can tell when Main is in trouble.
Debate, mockery, and insult having all failed, try toadying flattery.
Dear me, is this what those who fought St. Crispins Day have become?
Famine , sword and fire crouch for employment.
Ellis
**You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.**
I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to know what the majority would vote for post independence. I do know we’ll return to popular Sovereignty & that means people power. Every decision would go to a public campaign/assembly & referendum. I also very much doubt we’d leave one bastard union & rush headlong into joining TWO others without serious consideration & very public scrutiny & I also very much doubt, as a newly independent country, we’d be setting our sights on joining the wackadoos intent on world domination, do you?
The EU is decades away – currency would be the top priority & per EU own rules – have a long period of stability first. Maybe then they’ll have cleaned in-house. Maybe it won’t even exist as countries increasingly realise they’ve been duped by the yanks & they’re not friends after all but are a threat.
They’re pumping funds to the yanks for a protection racket with some free real estate thrown in & military threat if they don’t comply. The EU are just ideal prime real estate going free for strategic purposes only while their population is being strangled & industries closed.
Ruskies did tell them they’d have been better creating their own alliance & own EU nations – they ignored & scoffed in his face. Now they’re paying the price as their energy was sabotaged by that man nobody & there is hee-haw they could do about it.
NATO have already broken international laws multiple times along with UN directives so maybe you can tell the group why you love them so much & why a supposed international peacekeeper only follows American orders?
I’m not sure what to make about this UN involvement in the Hamas terror attacks.
But Humza has been directly funding this UN agency.
£750,000 to support the agency. More Scottish money given away. And, this time. To terrorists it would seem.
At the same time. I support Palestine.
From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free. Stop the genocide by the Jewish zionist killing machine. With the big noses. And all of their money. Like the Hilary Clinton foundation and Bill – who likes them young – Clinton.
I want an Indy Scotland more than ever.
Outside the war mongering NATO.
Outside the war mongering EU.
Freedom come all, ye.
Ruby: “ I haven’t a clue what the last four posts are about. Three from John Main & one from TURABDIN…”
Me neither. I wish people would devote themselves to explaining ideas in plain English instead of trying to sound like Aesop.
“The writer either has a meaning and cannot express it, or he inadvertently says something else, or he is almost indifferent as to whether his words mean anything or not…”
(George Orwell, ‘Politics and the English Language’)
Just googled when NATO first went rogue. NATO dropped it’s mask in 1999 when it decided to bomb Yugoslavia without permission but the Yanks had declared it was now in charge of NATO…
**more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continent**
&…
**The attacks that have started on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia a few hours ago are in clear violation of Article 53 of the [UN] Charter. No country, group of countries or regional arrangement, no matter how powerful, can arrogate to itself the right of taking arbitrary and unilateral military action against others. That would be a return to anarchy where might is right. . . . The attacks now taking place on Yugoslavia have not been authorized by the Council, acting under Chapter 7, and are therefore completely illegal. . . . What NATO has tried to do is to intimidate a government through the threat of attack, and now through direct and unprovoked [End Page 25] aggression, to accept foreign military forces on its territory. . . . There are several traditional descriptions for this kind of coercion; peacekeeping is not one of them. 3
more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continents. Issues of human rights violations and the disintegration of states, “inadequate or failed efforts at reforms,” and “the uncontrolled movement of large numbers of people” have been declared to “pose problems for security and stability affecting the alliance.” 5 During such eventualities, NATO forces will be “called upon” to carry out “crisis-response operations,” the “calling upon” being made not by the UN but by NATO’s own political leadership. The summit declaration was in effect the American liberals’ new containment policy with no defined limits on substance, scope, and reach.
The capitulation by Serbia after seventy-eight days of relentless and merciless NATO bombing, against which the Serbs had no defense, cannot justify violations of law. The attack is the equivalent of the FBI bombarding an inner-city neighborhood in violation of federal and state laws, based on the expectation that crimes may be committed. The punishment meted out by NATO preceded the alleged crimes.**
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NATO isn’t a peacekeeper. It’s now the aggressor & from that article – is heading the same way as the ex League of Nations who also let power go to their head for self interest. (Before my time)
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/20771
As I explained yesterday, Geri, the problem with Ellis’s jingoistic bullshit is that we are only here on this forum talking about independence and things because the Scottish people were appalled at the Iraq “war”.
In other words, if it wasn’t for the very people and standpoint that Ellis continually berates and attacks, the SNP would never have ousted Scottish Labour in 2007, and we wouldn’t have had an independence referendum in 2014. That’s so obvious that it might be regarded as some sort of political truism.
The SNP and independence movement we see today, then, more or less owes its existence to anti-war and anti-US imperialist sentiment in the collective psyche of the Scottish public. Of course, that goes for Alba too, and much else.
Ellis is not only wrong, what he is saying diametrically contradicts the truth and is in fact the opposite of the truth.
Hatuey. There are a million different reasons for a nation wanting independence. For me it’s very simple and uncomplicated. I was born in Scotland, I am a Scot so that’s all the reason I need. All the other stuff to me is window dressing.
Others may want independence for political , economic or pragmatic reasons. But at the heart of everything is our collective Scottish identity. Everything else flows from that.
Hatuey
Agreed.
Big Jock
Also agree.
As long as it’s Scots that’s doing the deciding then everything else flows from that.
Unionist continually go off course with the *what ifs & what’s yer plans on* & that’s just a distraction & one the SNP is now intent on pandering to with throwing EU membership into the mix as if that has anything to do with Scotland becoming independent – a pure nonsense & delay tactic cause those would be decided by the people of Scotland & not by the SNP.
Alex Salmond really stepped free from from the crowd when he opposed the bombing of Serbia in 1999.
His opponents piled on thinking he had made a huge error.
The public however, including many in England, thought otherwise.
It took Scottish politics onto a new level and fuelled the rise of the SNP.
Is there someone with any commitment and vision about nowadays?
I don’t see anyone.
Covid, climate nonsense, and trannyism are just three clear examples where a committed politician could represent a large number of disenfranchised voters, but, there is no one.
Very strange.
“There are a million different reasons..”
There was one overarching reason for the rise of the SNP and the victories of 2007 / 2011. That reason was Iraq. By 2007, we knew there was no WMDs and the whole thing was based on lies.
Johnlm
There could always be Salmond again?
He proposes public assemblies to address the Trannyisim issue & (I think) that would instantly fall apart the moment the pampers brigade were asked a direct question, that’s if they even had the guts to show up to face parents.
Same with the climate. He is well aware it can’t be a bull in a china shop approach.
Whether he can make a comeback is anyone’s guess. Sturgeon has made sure to scunner the fck out of an entire population hoping we’ll all go back in our wee Union Jack box. The momentum squandered. Weans in charge.
He needs to give serious thought to not take seats at WM. We’ve watched 10 yrs of those donkey’s going nowhere but catching fleas on the way to the bars & feathering their own nests.
I don’t see anyone else either. The only three that know their stuff in politics & have a moral compass seems to be Salmond, Hanvey & MacAskill.
Geri
I suppose I’m thinking that Leaders should lead, take some risks.
It’s a truism to say that any politician who says something definite alienates a pile of potential support.
But a politician that is scared to say anything is going nowhere.
A politics run by focus group and SPADs is stagnant.
Public assemblies too are an avoidance of responsibility, though they may have their place.
Salmond or Regan seem to be the leadership ‘talent’ so hopefully they will start stirring some controversy soon, as Salmond did in 1999.
They really missed the boat with Covid, (and still are)
The climate scam is difficult but, to me, looks like it’s going to collapse in the next couple of years.
Trannyism is just barking. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Unfortunately Salmond is connected to two of these issues: Covid believer, pro green issues.
He may be wary of alienating the youth vote over Trans issues, tho’ there too I think people are fed up with it. Good subject for comedy.
Anyway, we seem to be headed for turbulent times and, as in other countries, there is an appetite for political change.
Wait too long and someone else gets to lead.
I’d want to see ALBA stirring up things for the election, rewards to come later.
Geri
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 12:36 am
Just googled when NATO first went rogue….
2 things…
Don’t trust Google to find what you’re looking for.
Let me clarify, don’t not trust it, but just don’t assume it’s search engine is particularly ahem, thorough, or telling you everything. Both Google and YouTube have played a big role in skewing the perception of recent world events. Look too at all the jiggerypokery with cyber attacks on so many pro-Indy blogs.
Try Googling Ruskia Today and see where it gets you. A white blackout. Scott Ritter and Douglas MacGregor were also deplatformed at critical times, although they seem to be back on YT. These “silencing” of sources are just examples of Western narratives masquerading as “news”.
I find it all a bit BBC… you might hear something interesting as a headline, but then you need to dig around to get the true story minus the blinkers and agenda filtration.
And 1999? I’d go back further, at least as far back as 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed, and also the Bosnian war of 1992-95. NATO’s motives were already dubious back then, as was their cynical attitude towards UN Resolutions.
Point of fact, Vlad (P)utin cited the same UN Charter to intervene militarily in the Don Bas, to save Ruskian Nationals from shelling, as the US and NATO cited to bomb Yugoslavia and eventually recognise Kosovo. Sauce for the goose and all that.
Also, as reported above, it was the bombing of Yugoslavia without appropriate Resolutions which Alex Salmond described as “unpardonable folly”.
Hands up anyone who still believes it actually was a simple act of folly, not a “deeper” NATO / US agenda in the making…
Salmond was an incredible Statesman with good instincts and the courage to stand against the mainstream opinion, and an Independent Scotland would have flourished under his leadership… at least until NATO wanted him gone. Maybe, in part, that’s precisely what did happen. NATO does mean London after all, not just Washington.
I know, I know, his legacy gave us Sturgeon, so he wasn’t infallible. But maybe if the Faculty of Advocates had struck her off rather than fudged a deal over her departure from the legal profession, then the World would have been a better place all round.
A very powerful image by Chris Cairns. I do hope his art can keep up with all the filth that’s about to come out.
“All you have to do is kick in the front door and the whole rotten house of cards will come tumbling down”. A different historical context of course. The SNP/Green monster is about receive a Blitzkrieg from the people.
Breeks
Aye, I can’t remember if it was Robin McAlpine or Craig Murray who mentioned that a few months ago & gave the heads up Google was messing around – I think it may have been Robin. Google was bumping up to the top what they wanted ppl to read rather than random results based on searches & Ruskies news was a media blackout. (That blows Genocide Johns theory we have a free & uncensored internet thanks to the yanks LOL)
Regards my link – I was just clarifying I had no link to that website cause that’s the next predictable gripe “oh that sites biased, that sites Ruskie sympathisers, that sites fake news” the usual comeback on forums when ppl link sources. “My source is better than your source” type eejits lol
I also agree that it goes away back to the fall of the Soviet Union. The lecturer I listened to a few yrs ago (can’t remember his name now, sorry) Also gave that same timeline & all the manoeuvres they had in place to contain & surround Ruskies & they’ve managed it with NATO.
In the article I linked it goes on to talk about the fall of the league of Nations for the same reason that looks to be repeating itself. Not content on Nations working in harmony for the greater good & abiding by the law – there were three who wished to dominate everyone else where they thought the law was just for everyone else. UN & NATO now repeating it.
I listened to your link the other day. Great discussion & I now subscribe to that ladies channel “Through the eyes of” so thanks for the linking it..
@David Hannah 12.22pm
Presumably that’s what most in here want David.
the fact remains that your preferred post independence Scotland isn’t one that has much popular support.
Of course NATO and EU membership are things that are for decision post indy, but what makes you think your views will suddenly overturn those of the vast majority?
@Hatuey 12:52
That’s certainly an innarestin take. Your “truism” is another man’s brand new novelty. ”Twas ever thus.
I’ll do no more than publish a correction. Where you wrote that the Scottish people decided they wanted Indy because of the Iraq War, in fact, around half the Scottish people might have been appalled enough to want Indy.
Seems a shoogly peg to hang an Indy movement on, especially over 2 decades later, which would also explain how the SNP and Indy itself has run out of steam. Protest votes are great fun, but nobody ever protested themselves to comfortable prosperity. That takes planning, tactics and hard graft, maintained for years.
As people who think like you never manage to understand, there’s another consideration too – what people virtue signal about, online, down the pub, even on the street, is not the same as what people choose in the isolation of the polling booth.
I know you find html very boring so I’m wondering if you would have any interest in SEO Search Engine Optimization. It’s a very interesting topic.
Whether your website appears near the top of the search results is dependent on a number of factors key words, links, name of website etc etc. You can also pay to be near the top these are called sponsored links.
I’ve noticed there are also links with ‘Google guaranteed’ Not sure what that involves.
I don’t know if Google are messing around or if the companies/news broadcasters are just better at SEO than those just not appearing or if they are paying Google to get to the top.
@Breeks 5:53
Amazing how Breeks can provide us with a potted history of the past 30 years or so, but neglect to mention the little spat in Chechnya, with its tens of thousands of casualties, most of them non combatants.
Geri won’t know about it either, what with her Internet being censored – an intriguing new twist to the “they’re all agin us” trope.
Alert readers will wonder if Breeks intention is just to spin his usual one-sided propaganda piece, banking on there being a few gullible readers prepared to swallow it and cheer along.
Horrified readers may wonder if the situation in Gaza may eventually grow to match its predecessor in Chechnya, and if those pretending Chechnya never happened will find themselves discredited and disqualified when they try to pretend the Gaza situation is uniquely terrible.
Still, all considerations aside, one has to wonder at the constant refrain of pro-Russti posts on Wings BTL.
@Geri 7:56
Ref your claim that NATO has contained and surrounded Rusttiland.
Does your specially censored Google permit you info about China? Do you know that the Covid Spreaders and the Orcs share 2,600 miles of land border?
Does your ability to think logically extend to understanding that the Covid Spreaders would have to be part of NATO for your assertion to be true?
Don’t get me started on the more than 23,000 miles of coastline Russtiland enjoys. No power on earth and contain and surround all of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c42dvgPIfSk
“Guan Yersel he says is a sign of encouragement
Not something you often get in Scotland.”
I wonder why that is. Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.
I’m wonder if ‘The Cunts’ are here to do precisely that. Every day it’s the same thing. You are stupid and your post are drivel, you fringe nutters will be going nowhere.
Genocide John Main desperately diverting from the ICJ decision with some whataboutery I see.
117 children killed every day in Gaza.
4.5 million deaths (at least) in zionist wars post 911.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/05/17/report–4-5-million-deaths-and-counting-in-post-9-11-warzones
The following contains a warning to pro NATO SNP.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm
Should a NATO member state feel threatened it may call upon «protection» from the alliance, in practice the US.
Turkey, in the above case, felt threatened by Iraq, why is not clarified, but the establishment of protection in eastern Anatolia did secure territory troubled by Kurdish «separatism»: also one of the ancestral «homes» of the beleaguered and marginalized Syriac ethnicity.
It does appear that NATO may respond to a perceived threat to a states territorial integrity that could cover any aspirations some Scots might have to dissolving the UK status quo.
NATO sustains. Who benefits?
Ellis presumes everyone posting here is an Indy supporter.
Aye right!
I’m wondering about TURABDIN.
Who is he? What is he?
Why did he change his user name from Ottomanboi to TURABDIN
Did he decide that his story that he was a 17 year old boy recently arrived from Iraq was just too far fetched?
What about DasBlimp does he support Scottish Independence?
A Scot Abroad did not nor did the Captain of the Sinking School
Then there’s John Main & Andy Ellis who hate Scotland and everyone who posts on this site and every other pro-independence site.
Chas is basically just a bit of fluff that’s stuck on Ellis & Mains
red, white & blue coat-tails.
At least DasBlimp, the Captain & Ascot are honest ‘The Cunts’ are pretending to be something they are not.
I see Neil Mackay in the herald is saying a big boy told him the russians support indy.
Missing the point that Cameron stood inviting Putin to come out against indy.
Missing the point Johnston attended russian bunga bunga parties in italy and took a week to sober up.
Missing the russians the conservatives have promoted to the house of lords
Missing the mysterious dark money that appear via ulster for the no campaign.
Clearly the herald is worth of a journalism award for such nonsense.
JohnLMAO
117? I read it was 116 on Friday and 118 yesterday.
Maybes “they” are censoring your internet too. I can’t imagine they would only have Geri in their sights. Every poster posing a real threat to the Zionist NWO will have been targeted, and that means even little you, JohnLMAO.
Haha, I crack me up.
To be serious for a mo, I can see from your hair-trigger trolling you’re desperate to make a name for yourself as a Wings BTL “big hitter”. Fair play to you for that – it keeps you off the daytime TV and maybes the sauce too.
We’re close to the top of the month, so I promise to send you a wee post early in February. It’s always a depressing month, so the least I can do for you is give your spirits a wee lift. Start you off in February with some validation.
Keep your eyes peeled – not too long for you to wait.
Ruby
I have strong hatred and contempt for every Student Grant type figure and every clueless eejit hinger oan who has reduced my country to the sorry condition I find it in. Every brain-dead, tribalist, zombie who jerks into unthinking support on sight of the SNP badge, even after endless posts on here about how they are all tractors and troughers.
And that includes every fearty, virtue signalling, reality denier who won’t call out the grinning, fraudulent stain on Scotland’s honour, currently squatting in Bute House, for what he is – a travesty, and a national disgrace that will indelibly mark Scotland’s historical record for as long as Scotland exists.
You are indited on every one of those charges, so off you go and apply some logic.
Geri @7.56am.
Geri.
Its not just Nato bases, of which both Sweden and Finland will now find themselves hosting, its the Great Satan’s (US) bases around the globe that worries folk, Japan alone has 120 US bases in its Ring of Fire around China.
The US has far more bases than Nato here’s a 2021 list of them, though Nato which has no remit in the South China seas want to/has expanded to encompass this region.
https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/INTERACTIVE-US-military-presence-around-the-world.png?w=770&resize=770%2C770&quality=80
Haha, I crack me up.
Everyday more cracks.
The cunt is well cracked!
Totally fuckin’ cracked!
More cracks than Humpty fuckin’ Dumpty.
I do, Ruby. The referendum result baffled me and I came here to find out what makes a ScotNat tick and why they rejected independence. I learn from here that it was because of the votes of non-native Scots. If Salmond was so brilliant he should have seen that one coming.
In any case, I see the Scottish and those of us fighting for an independent Mercia as brothers and sisters in arms. Viva Ashby-de-la-zouch!
Genocide John Main
Please don’t send me a post, I will only have to correct it’s errors and respond.
I’m busy enough editing the daily pish you produce.
Al Jazeera produced a list of about half the names of dead children your side have murdered.
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
https://archive.is/0JMD7
Archived link. Bloody ads
The mask slips: Nicola Sturgeon put secrecy at the heart of Scotland’s Covid response
Here’s a direct link:
https://www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,the-mask-slips-nicola-sturgeon-put-secrecy-at-the-heart-of-scotlands-covid-response
Holyrood Magazine are good guys.
Ruby @ 10:17 am
“Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.”
Yes, it is well-established in any colonial society “how an elite of usurpers, aware of their mediocrity, establish their privileges. By one means only: debasing the colonized to exalt themselves” (Jean-Paul Sartre).
In this environment the usurper continuously ridicules and destroys the colonized’s history, traditions, languages, culture, beliefs, and limits opportunities for native development (e.g. the cap on Scots university places; high energy and other utility costs; plunder of resources etc).
“The main task of the colonizer is to make any prospect of freedom for the colonized seem impossible” (Albert Memmi).
I’m glad John hasn’t “indited” me.
What happened though, one minute he’s trying to sound like Aesop, next minute he’s a threatening closet-racist hard man?
You’re losing your shit, John, take a break.
@Geri 11.51pm
You can doubt it all you want, what matters is where’s the evidence to support your assertion that you doubt people would vote the way you disapprove of, when the current figures show your chosen policies are rejected by a supermajority of voters. If wishes were horse, beggars would ride. I think all the evidence shows that post indy the majority of Scots would indeed vote both for NATO and EU membership, however much you and others might disapprove.
As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.
Like so many of the usual suspects in here, you’re long on assertion and wish fulfilment, and short on providing actual evidence, or even a coherent argument in favour of why your fringe minority worldview is suddenly going to become not only more popular than it is now (which is not very popular at all) but actually realisable and shared by the majority.
Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities in favour of EU and NATO membership.
We’ll wait….
RUBY
Im 20, not 17. That is number in your imagination.
I, my siblings, parents, extended family know more about the nasty reality of contemporary life than many would wish on an enemy.
I was born in a war torn scenario, hundreds of thousands like me. I/we had to grow up very quickly. Precocious maybe.
I cannot go «home». My home is planet Earth, location indeterminate.
Bonne journée madame.
DasBlimp farted again same sound same smell.
“Pfft” “Fraaap” “Poot” “Blat” “Thpptphtphphhph” “Braaap” “Braaaack” “Frrrt” “Blaaarp”
‘The Cunts’ seem to fart a lot.
You spelt “Thpptphtphphhph” wrong.
Should ‘Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty’ not be posting on the Doggers site.
He should go there and spam, spam, spam his mince.
How many times is that he’s spammed his mince about Humza ‘fuckin’ Yousaf.
‘Spam & Mince’ that is not a ‘plato combinado’ that should be served anywhere although some ‘Dogs’ might gobble it up!
@John Main 9.42am
I love it when these lack wits pontificate about their latest hobby horse issue and present it as a self evident truth. The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement is so outlandish that it surprises me even when it comes from fringe nutters as deluded as the usual suspects on here.
It’s a bit like those who drone on about how Salmond was right about Yugoslavia, when of course he was wrong, and it’s most unlikely that his views at the time reflected those of the majority of Scots. Happy to proven wrong, but I won’t be holding my breath to be shown the evidence otherwise.
Funny isn’t it, the sophomoric anti-EU, anti-NATO types continually harp on about there being no evidence, then when presented with the evidence ignore it, and/or insist the super majorites supporting membership will somehow evaporate post independence because *reasons*, whereas we’re enjoined to accept their assertions about the centrality of the Iraq war to the success of the independence movement as a self evident on the basis of…..nada, niente, zilch.
Why, it’s almost as if they haven’t been paying attention to Rev Stu’s concentration on evidencing things. Perhaps they think we won’t notice?
Ellis talking to Main.
It’s like two goldfish having a conversation.
Are you 20 today. What about three years ago when you posted as Ottomanboi?
I do not run a brothel so you can quit calling me madame.
Where is your home? Where do you live at the moment? I’m sure if you got in touch with the UK Gov they might be happy to help you out or find you a new home. Fancy Rwanda?
How do you know that many on here haven’t grown up in a war torn scenario for years?
How many years did you spend in the war torn scenario. Details please.
PS We here in Scotland cannot do a solitary thing to help you. Sorry Scotland is just a colony we are helpless we don’t even have a place we can call home.
We tried to help we marched in our millions to try to stop the war.
PPS Could you be clearer as to what you want from this forum?
Do you just want to chat with ‘The Cunts?’
If you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows
Ah bless your heart! There’s still hope for you yet.
That comment made me laugh!
Keep doing that and I’ll promote you from being a ‘fat cunt’ to a ‘good cunt’
Links to Craig Murray starting to appear on quite a few websites I frequent… good move, this is the way to go IMHO.
I think he will be VERY popular and it will make it much harder for them to stitch him up (again).
On this one with Ray McGovern and Mercouris and another geezer (Francis Boyle I think). Good analysis of the outcome of the ICJ and other related matters.
http://www.youtube.com/live/zpobNGv8yjc?si=bfKlRpczM43J-Bu1
This is very silly: “Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities…”
Do I need to remind Ellis what support for independence was sitting at a year or two before 2014? It’s was less than 30-35%.
Incidentally, the SNP membership has always been quite divided on NATO, primarily because joining NATO is essentially an endorsement of nuclear weapons which the Scottish public and civil society are (or ant least were) against. You really should look into things before shooting your mouth off.
There’s very little in terms of polls and data to make a judgement on when it comes to Scottish public opinion and NATO. That in itself is probably a good indication that public opinion is at odds with the overlords.
We can guess that support for NATO has risen recently in response to the anti-Russian propaganda, it would be shocking if it hadn’t given the intensity of the onslaught, but these are shifting sands.
NATO is a US foreign policy tool and its primary purpose is to keep Western Europeans in line, not Russians. The EU needs to build its own integrated defence and military alliance.
The best way to find out where people stand on issues is through healthy discussion and debate. And we know that opinion changes through open debate (Scottish independence, Brexit, Trump, Gaza, being obvious examples).
It’s noteworthy that so many, like Ellis, are determined to prevent open debate these days, preferring to just shout people down and tell them what they should think.
If this democracy, I want my money back.
I am not even sure it is ‘two’ Goldfish Johnlm…
I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.
So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.
Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves… it is very sad way to make a living if so. I have seen them on other sites and there is sameness about them.
Not much you can do about it IMHO other than ignore. And that really does work but it takes time to work. I have lost count of the number of folk on here imploring others to ignore them but to no avail.
So it is what it is. Time to go enjoy Sunday.
SNP now forging documents. Confirmed fraud released to newspaper the Sunday Mail.
Dorothy Bain will be working overtime this weekend to cover everything up.
Won’t you Dorothy? She’s covering everything up. She’s a fraud. She’s a chalatan. And she’s bend Corrupt Lord Advocate. Aren’t you Dorothy.
The protector of the cabal?
Time for the national crime agency to huckle every one of you.
You’re all a disgrace to your offices.
When the Scottish cops fail to produce charges.
We must go above the lord advocate.
The British national crime agency. Is above the cops.
Someone get them on the phone.
Confirmed fraud. As revealed by the Sunday Mail (Daily Record).
And yet no charges have been brought.
This doesn’t look good. Does it Dorothy Bain?
It doesn’t look good for you.
It doesn’t look good for police Scotland.
And the SNP now will absolutely face complete and absolute annihilation. A party of fraudsters.
What’s worse, paltering or lying; “The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement…”
To be clear, I said the electoral success of the SNP in 2007 and 2011 was largely attributable to a backlash against Blair and the Iraq War. Everybody knows it’s true. The SNP lost seats between 1999 and 2003. There’s no way they would have won in 2007 (by one seat) if it hadn’t been for the anti-war stance on Iraq.
In turn, based on that success, Salmond secured the 2014 referendum from which the independence movement we know today sprang.
Thus, we are probably only here talking about these things here because of the Iraq War.
Criticising Salmond’s stance on Yugoslavia is deflection from his anti-war stance on Iraq which was pivotal to SNP success. I don’t know why you would want to do that unless it was your goal to traduce Salmond, and that would be an odd thing for an Alba member to do.
Goldfish swim around making not a sound. If only!
I think they are more like two parrots.
Johnny Parrot says: Andy Parrot is a pretty boy. Pretty boy Andy Parrot
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! Show parrot money! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Andy Parrot says: Johnny Parrot very pretty boy! Pretty boy. Johnny Boy
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! Nutters! SQUAWK! Fringe Nutters SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Cunt calling! Cunt calling! Cunt calling! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Ooops I nearly forgot about Chastitty Parrot.
I’ll include her more in the next chapter.
She’s very flamboyant she’s a transgender parrot!
Bigot! Bigot! Bigot! Fuckin’ Terfs
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Can you imagine how out of place you’d feel if you were a member of Alba who wanted to impress people with pro-Zionist, pro-US, pro-WWIII, pro-NATO views right now?
If Ellis really is a fish, he’s well out of water.
David Hannah , you are making me wish she wasn’t called Dorothy!
OK that’s enough research into ‘Cuntology’ for today. I should be getting my PHD in Cuntology soon from the ‘The BTL University of Wings’
Just before I go anyone know
what a Catfish Cunt is?
The strategic value of NATO to the USA
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/NATO_s_Value_WEB.pdf
«NATO has helped advance freedom and democracy in key regions of interest to the United States, thereby also advancing a key US strategic interest: promoting US values among friends, allies, and potential adversaries»
Promoting US values, at least they are honest about that, if not somewhat «adolescent».in tone.
With regard to internet censorship about two years ago DuckDuckGo announced that it was no longer going to show search results which it deemed harmful which basically meant anything which contained information which the sites owners did not want the general public to know about.
I was on a couple of dating sites and despite having my search radius set to Glasgow or within a five mile radius of I was continuously matched with women in Africa and/or Asia and appear to have no means of changing this. I would also be matched with ugly men in wigs and the site said that any complaint about this would be binned and that repeat complaints would lead to deletion of account for transphobia. I went and looked up who owned these sites and was surprised to find yet another coincidence.
Over at the foreign owned Herald its latest activist embedded as a politician/scribbler is a “refugee” Glasgow based SNP councillor. If you are not starting to notice patterns you are not paying attention.
With regard to Yugoslavia look up Madeline Albright, who did not know that she was Jewish, apparently, and who advocated bombing the shit out of the country. Sometimes the Guardian let’s things slip and in a piece on Yugoslavia about two years ago it mentioned how the Serbs made up something like 24% of the demographic and Muslims made up 15% but that less than two generations later the Serbs found themselves in a shrinking minority and that was when things kicked off. I watched a talk which was being given by what had been the Canadian ambassador to what had been Yugoslavia and he said that a ceasefire and peace agreement had been reached and was about to be ratified when the Clinton administration contacted the Kosovans and told them to declare UDI and that the US would immediately recognise it and support and arm them and that this continued the war for over a year.
I was looking up maps of demographics in what was Yugoslavia and some of the areas which had been granted to the Serbs were marked as no longer populated by them, they appeared to be being drawn back centrally from the areas which they had been assigned by the peace accord. The areas they had been in were marked as unknown population makeup which seemed a bit haphazard.
Just before her death I read up on Albright and she had formed a conglomerate with Jacob Rothschild and George Soros with the aim of buying every single mobile phone mast in Africa.
With regard to BTL, there are, imo, a couple of people using the racism card in a mirror image of how the anti semitisim card is played.
@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.
God almighty, is McGammon STILL here!
Ellis
***As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.***
Ireland. Sweden. Nice to know Iceland do the same. Alien to you I’m sure cause you seem to be an idiot follower, not a leader. A narcissist who seeks no one else’s opinion but your own.
In A NORMAL, independent, democratic country -government seek public opinion on important matters & hold such things as open forums to present FACTS & with clear campaigning especially on contentious issues. Wasn’t that the YES campaign I’ve just described?
NATO, like everything else in this shite hole union, is NOT given full publicity on the BCC & especially not when they fck up. For example, are the public aware it’s broken international laws, only follows orders from the yanks & has it’s own political leaders that defy the united nations? I certainly didn’t a few years ago. It is also a nuclear alliance. It’d have no bother dumping nukes as the yanks have done so before. Or the illegal weapons they used in Iraq.
Public awareness is a wonderful thing. Let’s have a referendum eh!!! Because for all your bluster you dunno wtf Scotland thinks, on any subject. A Yougov poll isn’t, from a few random, isn’t conclusive proof of anything.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/#comment-2820274
Here’s an archived link David
https://archive.is/0vfRQ
Police investigating claims of ‘forged signatures’ on SNP documents
“@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.”
No need for the apology, we all get a wee bit heated now and then, you might no see this reply I think I might be under moderation.
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second. There’s also a link to the RT Twitter/X/whatever. In any case yer Iron recommends that everyone has as little to do with Google as possible since they have turned into a controller shower of arseholes. Remember 20-25 years ago when their motto was, “Don’t be evil”? Alas in this world, some people really do become the thing they hate…
I didn’t know this was legal or allowed;
“It has emerged Yousaf requested a private off-diary meeting with the Chief Constable of Police Scotland before Sturgeon’s house was raided by fraud detectives. The “one to one” with Sir Iain Livingstone took place on March 31 – just two days after Yousaf became First Minister.
“The meeting is not mentioned in Yousaf’s official diary but papers released via Freedom of Information show his staff requested the summit but declined to say what he wanted to discuss. Police are also investigating more than 1000 alleged instances of fraud. An Amazon account used to buy everyday items is being probed.”
From the Sunday Mail article Ruby linked to above.
@Geri 1.39pm
I’m interested in places that have actually used such a system and then seen the recommendations through to them becoming policy and being enacted. I’m certainly open to persuasion that it’s potentially a useful tool and perhaps even necessary. I know the Icelanders used a similar method to try and agree a new constitution a few years ago, but it was never enacted I seem to recall.
you seem intent on inferring as a result of some perfectly reasonable questions that I’m fundamentally opposed: I’m not, just sceptical that it would work without evidence to the contrary. Using a citizens assembly to discuss whether to join NATO or the EU, or for any other major issues is certainly feasible.
In the end are the issues decided in such assemblies, or referred for ultimate decisions to referendums? Or are they then passed on to parliament to decide since the parties in them are (presumably?) elected on platforms which may agree with the recommendations, or may not.
The Yes campaign was seen as a real positive by most people, but obviously not all, and I don’t really think it’s comparable with the kind of citizens assembly you seem to be advocating. As I pointed out elsewhere, presumably such assemblies are supposed to be representative of the whole of Scots society, so post indy they will contain a cross section including right of centre voters.
Virtually all similar small European neighbours have conservative and / or Christian Democratic movements, and centrist liberals who make up a significant proportion of the electorate. It’s hardly likely a post independence Scottish electorate will be significantly different, even if there is a “natural” built in left of centre majority in comparison with (say) the current UK.
I don’t really buy the line that Scots are so doon hauden (to use one Alf’s favourite phrases) that they don’t know what’s going because the MSM is rigged or biased. It seems to me to remove agency from them, or more to the point allow them to blame others for their own lack of courage or political will. Of course, it’s much easier to construct a scenario where a big bot did it and ran away, than admit that Scots are just to feart, or too easily led, to put an “x” on a ballot paper.
You’re right of course, a single poll doesn’t prove much. a series of polls saying the same thing IS instructive however. As Rev Stu never tires of pointing out, folk always take issue with polls that don’t tell them what they want to hear.
Polls can’t prove that Scots will support NATO and the EU post independence, neither can they prove the opposite. It is however a brave person who is prepared to say that on the basis of current opinion, the likelihood is that the current supermajorities in favour of both are somehow going to be changed. Not impossible, just fairly improbable.
You’re free to disagree of course, nobody is stopping you: despite your rather desperate attempts to say I’m only interested in my own opinion or that it’s narcissistic. In fact I find the intellectual and political summersaults some people are prepared to perform endlessly fascinating: it’s just that I’m not obliged to take them remotely seriously, nor is it impermissible to to point and laugh at such folk because I think their take on life, the universe and everything is fairly sophomoric.
Doubtless both they and I will survive and get on with our lives.
The Flying Iron of Doom
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 4:25 pm
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second….
Follow the link. 😉
Not that anyone probably gives a shit on Wings over
ScotlandThe Middle East these days.Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.
For comparison.
The overall generation figures from 14th June 2023 to 27 January 2024 on the two shitty installations I mentioned were – 290 and 170KWhs.
Figures for a properly thought out 3.8KW system installed on a family member’s property.
From June 2023 to Dec 2024 – 2300KWhs (the annual figure for this system over last year was just shy of 4000KWhs).
Those generation figures for the badly installed systems are absolutely horrendous, and when you consider the small amount of electrical power they have generated and those units monetary value, it will take a very long time for the system to get close to any return on investment.
Mac says on 28 January 2024 at 12:34 pm:
“I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.”
“So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.”
I often ponder the same thoughts, Mac. There are those who claim to be indy supporters yet seem to spend a lot of their time sitting on here attacking the beliefs of other indy supporters. Why? And if those beliefs they are attacking are as unpopular as they would have everyone believe then why the need to spend all day every day ridiculing those folk and their beliefs?
One of them even claimed to have a military background so you would have thought they, of all people, would know who the real enemy was, wouldn’t you? And i don’t agree with much of those being attacked but neither do i feel the need to pick on them and/or their beliefs.
I guess i can’t get my head around why someone who claims to be pro-indy prefers to waste their own time disrupting these WOS threads by attacking other indy supporters rather than go and frequent the btl threads of the Unionist online newspapers, where most of the Unionist “activists” loiter. That’s where you get to challenge Unionist policies etc.
To me it looks like those doing it are either one of the following, or a combination of the following:
(1) – Narcissists more interested in grandstanding their own perceived greatness. If i were chocolate i’d eat myself sort of thing.
(2) – They are BritNat Unionists masquerading as pro-indy.
(3) – And following on from No2 above but not necessarily the same thing, they are Unionist Trolls.
Mac also said: “Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves…”
And you can take that to the bank, Mac. That’s a dead cert. You only need to look back over the last 3 or 4(?) btl threads and you will find the most blatant, laughable effort yet. You see the comment being posted from a username never seen on here before and within no time at all you see one of the usual suspects quickly appear under his usual Monika responding to the “mystery name” An even bigger giveaway is the utter bullshit in that response. Almost as if he’d created the other account to help him promote his own grandstanding greatness. Have to say, i find it as funny as f@ck. A modern political Del Boy. A chancer and conman. LOL!
Typo!
That should be:
“From June 2023 to Dec 2023” not Dec 2024…
Dan
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 5:13 pm
Not that anyone probably gives a shit on Wings over Scotland The Middle East these days.
Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.
I recall something similar with regards smoking… Going back maybe 25 years, there was a Hypnosis Franchise (Alan Carr maybe?) which boasted a 96% success rate getting people to stop smoking instantly, and never smoke again. In my own personal experience, there’s a 100% success rate. No withdrawal symptoms, no weaning off ciggies, 40+ a day to 0, no preachy attitudes towards other smokers, frankly, no downside whatsoever. Just flicked a switch in my head.
So why, with this miracle on their doorstep, did the NHS start offering everybody Nicotine patches? You have a veritable cure, no side effects, versus simply changing the method of narcotic delivery, so yeah, let’s ridicule the former and throw money at the latter. Never mind the money, just think of all the human misery.
Far as I know, that’s still happening. I don’t really keep up since I haven’t had the remotest urge to smoke in around 28 years. But hey, there’s no proof it works – is there?
Sturgeon created a mini UK in Holyrood. Money intended to help children flowed to Consultants instead
https://robinmcalpine.org/the-false-promise/
Ellis
They worked in Ireland on the very contentious subject of abortion rights. Salmond put forward it could work with Trans rights too – they’re entitled to rights but NOT at the expense of others. They shouldn’t be in prisons either.
An assembly finding common ground on a contentious topic can reach compromise.
As for it working post indy – that is exactly what popular Sovereignty is. People power.
We also can take reference from the many excellent speakers & events during indyref. Informing the public before an important vote on the matter. NATO would be no different & neither would EU who actually insist on it prior to joining. As I’ve repeatedly reminded Genocide John – the EU insist on a public referendum & everyone is onboard first.
A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying because, as pointed out by the Supreme Court Ruling, Scottish independence would have serious consequences for the remaining Union who would ALSO have to renegotiate it’s own entry & application to International organisations with it’s brand new status too.
As Hatuey says – your pro EU, Pro NATO expansion (beyond it’s initial remit & now world police on just *suspected to happen* crimes, Pro WW3, Pro Yank, Pro Nukes, Pro I*rael, Pro 404, Ruskiephobia seems at odds with Alba for you to be “a founding member”
I think yer in the wrong party.
In an attempt to drag at least some discussion back onto Scottish matters where we actually should have the power to sort stuff out, rather than seemingly endless waxing lyrical on international matters which we can’t do anything about….
Linking back to this post from last September which mentions the dodgy solar installs, but also contains a link to another post re. local bus services.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-longest-mile/#comment-2789548
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-scourge/#comment-2788686
So months on through winter (that’s winter when trees are dormant so ideal time for pruning…).
Well, I was speaking to local resident affected by this bus service issue this morning and learnt that it is still ongoing and they have contacted their MSP. Why the heck should they need to involve this level of political representative to sort this out.
Are the local council and 3 Councillors for the ward so utterly incompetent or lacking in power that they can’t manage to cut, or instruct the land owner to cut the overhanging branches that are interfering with road traffic which would clear the obstructions and thus allow the buses to travel along the road without getting the windows smashed.
I have not been keeping up to date with the various conflicts going on around the world at present and thought it would be a good idea to find out what is going on.
Thankfully there is no need to trawl through the multitude of media outlets to ascertain the facts. A quick look at the comments section on ‘Wings’, with its’ world renowned experts on EVERYTHING, is all anybody really needs. I am always humbled by the extensive knowledge that they possess.
I understand that Ruby had to visit the shop, where she got a scarf for Christmas, with a view to exchanging it. Apparently the one she got was too tight……………
@ Breeks
Ach give it a few years and they’ll be back to promoting smoking natural “analogue” tobacco ciggies to wean folk off toxic “digital” vapes.
The Woody Allen film Sleeper foresaw this.
1 min clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=485Em2JF34M
Breeks
Fair play on switching off the demon crave monster.
My Dad & Brother did the exact same. No gizmos. Just stopped.
My other brother, stressful job, just can’t do it. Even with a bypass late last year the crave was driving him mental.
Anyhoo, yes, they still give the patches, gum, inhaler etc over 12 weeks I think? Prescriptions on the NHS as over the counter is a packet!
The next big bucks is the new fat busting injections. Coming to an NHS soon no doubt.
Stoker
I’m a Scot. I live in Scotland. I’m a Scotland supporter. My family on both sides are Scots for as many generations as I have investigated.
I’m one of these Sovereign Scots some regulars like to post about. My say is of equal weight to the say of every other Sovereign Scot, whether that suits you or not.
The wider Indy movement, as represented by their tribal brand of choice, the SNP, has right royally fecked over my nation, and trampled all over my sovereignty, my interests, and my prosperity. I’m angry, and the intellectual lightweights and dishonest troublemakers infesting the BTL comments aren’t going to get a free ride to turn my country into any more of an international laughing stock than it is already.
As Hatuey was pointing out just the other day, rational, sane, responsible people read the comments on here. Many of these comments are a disgrace. Many of them are a tissue of lies. Many of them would be a real cause for concern to the commenter’s friends and family if spoken in public.
I’m trying to do what I can to counter the worst excesses of the troublesome and the troubled. If you really believe just leaving some of the effluent on here unchallenged is best for Scotland, then let me tell you – you’re wrong.
Dan
Good grief!
They get a bigger bus that has to go around a bridge to avoid cutting a few tree branches off?
That’s insane.
Chas
And Geri will be suing ScotGov and the SNP soon, for continually telling the Scottish people that if we do vote for Indy, no further vote on EU membership will be required, cos the first implies and guarantees the second.
Haha, I crack me up.
Geri wants back in the EU, and will tell any lie, no matter how brazen, or contradicted by facts, to get her way. Maybes she believes all of our internets are being censored, so we can’t work out the truth. Maybes she’s one of those pro-EU carpet baggers using Indy as a stepping stone to her real objective.
Maybes she’s just another “proud, patriotic Scot” who can’t wait to feck off out of the place at the first opportunity. Yay! EU freedom of movement! So long suckers!”
@ Ruby thanks for the link @ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming
As has been pointed out it seems very opportunistic that sturgeon just happened to absent herself when the police EVENTUALLY found the time to conduct a search of chez sturrell thereby negating the ability of our wondrous MSM and broadcasters to doorstep her
And all of a sudden after almost 2 years of investigation we have our ever vigilant police force in collusion with the forensic investigative world renowned journalism of the daily redcoat revealing publicly to much acclaim that some signatures MAY have been forged, I wonder whose signatures have maybe been forged, could this be another line of defence ,could maybe wee petey be being set up as the fall guy, or is Colin being set up to take the fall, or is honest John throwing himself on the fire to protect his great love, but we all know who will NOT be fingered ( no pun intended)
@Geri
A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying
I implied no such thing, you merely assumed it. Happy to help.
I wouldn’t know what Hatuey says unless others refer to him.
Perhaps my views on NATO and the EU are the minority in Alba. I can live with that. I think they’re the only really compelling pro-indy force at present, but they’re unlikely to make much progress until the SNP implode IMHO.
I doubt I’d stay in the party if adopted a specifically anti NATo and anti-EU stance, but like a lot of other party members, I don’t think it’s necessary to be absolutely aligned on every policy.
I imagine post indy there will be other parties, and given the current general views of “mainstream” Scots, I’m pretty sure there will be a left of centre party which is pro NATO and pro EU> At least it will be unlikely to contain some of the usual suspects from here which would be a relief.
Hatuey at 12:27 may really believe that support for NATO has arisen because of anti-Russti propaganda.
That’s what he posts at any rate.
Hard to imagine more effective anti-Russti propaganda than the exhumation of the torture victims and the summarily executed from the mass graves, wherever the Russtis are forced to abandon areas they previously overran.
Although the thousands of documented cases of babies, infants and kids, kidnapped from their birth families and farmed out for adoption in Russtiland runs it a close second.
The west should stop reporting this stuff – it’s giving the Russtis a bad name!
Tell you what you should do, Hatuey. Hit us with some positive, good news stories from the latest territory to fall under the Russti imperialist expansion. Or from some of the still-free places on the receiving end of their rockets, drones, bombs and ballistic missiles.
Don’t leave us waiting too long. The anti-Russti propaganda has us in its grip!
Genocide John.
I’ve repeatedly made clear that an EU referendum is mandatory on application. I dunno what other way you need it explained. To join the bloc a country needs to hold an EU ref.
You also assume, wrongly, that the SNP would be the new governing party post indy. How stupid can you be? The SNP won’t even be in charge at the next election never mind post indy.
Why don’t you jog on Tory boy. No one btl needs you putting anyone bang to rights on yer endless bullshit.
As Hatuey said the other day, knuckle draggers don’t seem to know they’re knuckle draggers.
You crack yourself up? That I believe 100%. Do you rock back & fourth too waiting on replies?
@ Geri
Aye, the bus takes an alternate route down dual carriageway now, so several small rural communities on the local road lose service.
The son has to nip away from his work at piece break, head home and pick up his elderly mother to take her down to local town a few miles down the road for a class she holds for other residents in the community.
Absolutely unbelievable that this hasn’t been resolved in months. The bus company would generate a little more revenue from fares if the service passed by these small communities rather than bypass them going down the dual carriageway. Not a lot, maybe, but her fare would at least cover the fuel used by the bus on that 5 mile section of road.
I went into the local council roads dept a few months back and mentioned this issue. Got some lame answer like it was difficult to identify and contact the landowners. But that’s utter bullshit though as it’s the same large estate landowner it’s been for decades on this particular section of road.
Twathater
**@ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming**
Official business should be conducted in the official residence/Holyrood office & minutes recorded.
Dumbza should watch out. Next we’ll be having another batch of alphabetties claiming all sorts. Isn’t that what Sturgeon did when Salmond arrived for a visit at her home?
Stinks to high heaven if it’s true.
Dan @ 5.55pm
‘So many councils across Scotland seem to have lost the plot on what should be their priorities’ (Sept)
At one of the Wee Alba Book events I attended, Alex Salmond said that 95% of the electorate has no interest in politics. This is probably a fair assessment … and the reason politicians have carte blanche to rule as they see fit for a minimum of 5 years.
The 95% that Alex referred to probably rises to more than 99% at council level. Even on Wings, where readers and contributors do have an interest, I’d guess that few could name even 1 of their 4 ward reps.
Few would know the relationship between elected councillors and appointed executives, how executives are appointed and by whom, or who decides on expenditure.
And yet council issues have a greater and more easily understood affect on most folk. Councillors are easier to contact, and more likely to be local: you wouldn’t have a Glasgow councillor living in Dundee, for instance, if you get my drift.
Yet many dismiss local elections, don’t ever consider voting, and most of those that do vote blindly place an ‘x’ alongside their fav. party, missing a golden opportunity to dismantle the party system locally by choosing an independent candidate.
If this gained some traction at local level, there’d be greater accountability, better services, and who is to say that it wouldn’t catch on nationally?
Oh no, John Main, not another baby-killer argument. Like clockwork, every single time they want us to attack someone, people like you fall for stories about babies being tortured and/or killed.
It happened during in WWI;
“One investigation report said that they were given six addresses where Belgian babies’ hands were chopped off, but upon visiting the sites, no such evidence was found.”
http://www.tbsnews.net/features/panorama/why-murder-babies-pinnacle-war-propaganda-731582
It happened in the run-up to the first Gulf War in Kuwait;
“A number of human rights organizations say their investigations do not support it. Amnesty International, for instance, said its inquiries in April, 1991, shortly after the Gulf War ended, “found no reliable evidence that Iraqi forces had caused the deaths of babies by removing them or ordering their removal from incubators.””
http://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-03-06-mn-3337-story.html
It seems to have just happened in Israel;
“subsequent reports revealed that no such beheadings have been verified by any Israeli or international source – probably because they never happened. This was just one dramatic incident of false reports spreading in the public sphere via mass media to denigrate one’s foes…”
http://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/10/13/watching-the-watchdogs-babies-and-truth-die-together-in-israel-palestine
And now we are told it’s Vlad who is at it… there’s countless other examples in history of this sort of propaganda.
In other real world news, we now know and it’s been confirmed by several respected Aid agencies that several thousand totally innocent children have been killed in the latest Israeli “war” on Gaza.
And then there’s this old chestnut;
“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima,” Stahl said. “And, you know, is the price worth it?”
“I think that is a very hard choice,” Albright answered, “but the price, we think, the price is worth it.””
http://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-iraqi-kids-deaths-worth-it-resurfaces-1691193
How come you only seem to care about children when you are arguing that we should attack someone? How come you don’t seem to care about the children our policies harm? And why do you and people like you repeatedly fall for this sort of crap?
It’s puzzling. Truly puzzling.
News about ALBA…
https://www.offtopicscotland.com/post/alba-important-news
Ian B
Who says they wouldn’t be going to work? They can work perfectly well from their consistency office can they not?
So basically it’s just more of the same.
Re the oath & they *really wouldn’t mean it* would be the gift that keeps on giving as yoons & media give them pelters at every opportunity of what else they didn’t really mean in parliament.
Jeez…
Hatuey @ 4.31.
Re the meeting between Humza and the Chief Constable on the 31st March last year.
I have read the newspaper article and have tried to find the FOI response which gave the information reported, but without success.
Do you know (or anyone else – the Rev. perhaps) where I can find this response on the official FOI site?
This is a very curious revelation which sets off alarm bells. It needs further investigation.
Hatuey
It’s a britnat thing.
If it’s not dead babies it’s a good ole sex scandal raping them.
They’re not right in the head.
Anyone would have thought the *shock & awe* reaction would’ve worn off at least by the third outing of the same story/different country by now. Whoever thinks that’s a good propaganda story back at propaganda HQ is obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies.
I see Mackay has a real funny article in the herald saying the Russians support indy. Funny he missed Cameron standing with Putin or Johnstone partying with them and promoting them to the house of lords.
And they get an award for journalism. You could not make this shit up
NATO meaning
Not AlTogether Organised in the event of an all out strike but hey is this a cushy number or what. I get my own penthouse an all FAB!
Merganser, I believe this may be the information you are looking for; https://www.gov.scot/publications/correspondence-between-police-scotland-and-the-first-minister-between-29-march-5-april-2023-foi-release/
Click the links to appendices. And please let us know if you find anything of public interest.
John Main
You do realise that a lot of the all too regular posters on here, was going to name some ‘names’ but decided against it, are far more ‘Scottish’ than you, me and a few others who regularly question a lot of their posts.
Being born and bred in Scotland, with family links going back for generations, is immaterial to them. In their minds, and their minds only, the true test of being a Scot and an Independence supporter is to want Independence tomorrow, with no idea of what that would actually entail. I often wonder how they reconcile their fervour for Independence with those individuals posting on the Wee Ginger Dug site? Both apparently want the same thing yet are the polar opposites in agreeing on who would form a Government. The only other thing they have in common is the hatred of anything English.
Bunter got approx 40% of the vote in the last GE which gave him a landslide. SNP got approx 32% in Scotland, which give them 50+ MP’s to effectively achieve nothing of note. Our electoral voting system has not changed for donkey’s years but Scotland, the UK, indeed the world has changed beyond all recognition. I am not sure if PR is the answer but something surely has to change. The sad thing is that is not in the best interest of the two main Political Parties to change anything.The Scottish Electoral system is also seriously flawed when we have two loons, as Government Ministers, who nobody voted for, but, we all know why they are there!
The outlook is not particularly rosy.
Merg, I did post a link for you to the FOI requests and responses but for some reason it has not shown… maybe it will appear at some point.
Would that not be down to the fact that we are a colony?
Also that people believe the councillors are corrupt.
I have often heard people use the term ‘broon envelopes’
and also have no faith in the council doing anything right.
I became interested in politics when the possibility of independence was on the table.
During that time there were a lot more than 5% of the electorate interested in politics. It was all people were talking about for 2-3 years.
Prior to that I just thought one lot got in ie Labour and they mucked up then the other lot got in ie Tories and they mucked up so on an so forth.
Were it not for ‘Women’s Rights’ being in jeopardy I would probably be as switched off as I were prior to the IndyRef debate.
It would be very hard to get people interested in politics at this point in time.
Try this, Merganser, second attempt…
http://www.gov.scot/publications/correspondence-between-police-scotland-and-the-first-minister-between-29-march-5-april-2023-foi-release/
And make sure you click appendices.
@Hatuey says: 28 January, 2024 at 7:45 pm
people like you fall for stories about babies being tortured and/or killed
Aw naw! How can I be so dense?
WW1 – “no such evidence was found.” Cool, just a story then.
first Gulf War in Kuwait – “found no reliable evidence.” Cool, another story.
It seems to have just happened in Israel – “no such beheadings.” Whew, yet another story – that’s a relief. Warning bells sounding over the weasel word “seems” though. That word usually marks a lie by the user.
“And now we are told it’s Vlad who is at it.” You reckon he’s not? Why has the ICC issued arrest warrants for the crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas?
Oh wait, you say that’s just a story – relief!
“several thousand totally innocent children have been killed in the latest Israeli “war” on Gaza”.
Ah c’mon now Ted. You’ve “proved” these other ones are all just stories. Where’s your proof of this one then? Testimony from the terrorists staffing UNRWA?
“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died”
Soz an all that, Hats, but you don’t get to string together a bunch of anecdotes, then claim some of them are all lies, and some of them are gospel truths, but only the ones you want to get exercised about are the gospel truth ones. Awa an educate yersel.
And take a wee look in the mirror the next time you want to pontificate about eejits falling for made-up propaganda.
I feel desperately sorry for any cause relying on you to help it out. Cos you’re a consummate dunderheid who tarnishes every cause you try to support.
Merganser, I did post what I think are links to the FOI requests and response from ScotGov but for some reason they aren’t publishing.
It’s a conspiracy, of course, you’re all in on it, even Wings…
The thing about the internet is you can be anything you want to be.
Well you can for a short time and then your posts give you away and others start to suspect you are a fake.
Oh God, they’re not only claiming to be proud of something they had no role or say in, where they happened to be born, they’re now taking pride in where their ancestors happened to be born… down the blood and soil rabbit hole we go.
Speaking of soil, do you know if you go back into your genes far enough, you will find you are related to dandelions? Don’t get upset, we all are. We are related to every living thing.
I wonder if dandelions suffer from pride…
@Geri 6.51pm
I’ve repeatedly made clear that an EU referendum is mandatory on application. I dunno what other way you need it explained. To join the bloc a country needs to hold an EU ref.
You’re wrong. It’s not required for a country to become a member or for the accession process.
@Geri says: 28 January, 2024 at 8:23 pm
obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies
That’s a grand post, a shrewd observation, and a sure-fire vote winner. Did you feel the rapture there, Geri? That was a surge in Indy support, arising from your post.
And you know what? It wasn’t just a surge in support from the heid-the-ba’s either. It was the university educated, the cosmopolitan, the deep thinkers, the politically and economically astute, the movers and shakers, the great and the good, industrialists, bishops, savants, sages, the high IQ people, the savvy billionaires, who suddenly recognised the cogency of your case for Indy:
obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies
Bravo, Geri!
@Dan, I not only read your post but spoke to someone in the real world about it over the weekend re the lack of generated power and ill thought installation.
Why don’t you name names? Is it because you can’t?
There are not that many people posting here. Who are these regular posters, usual suspects, fringe nutters that you cunts refer to on a regular basis?
I interpret all these names as meaning ‘independence supporters’ and that you hate independence supporters. All All this ‘show us the money’ guff is all straight out of your ‘Better Together Handbook’
You will need to be more precise otherwise you are just seen as a squawking parrot
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
Johnny Parrot pretty boy! Usual suspects, Usual suspects, Usual suspects Johnny Parrot Clever Boy
fringe nutters Show me the money, Show me the money, Better Together Better Together
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
How about you go away and write something new not the same mince that you have been spamming for the last three years and see if you can convince me you are not a hard core Unionist coming on here to cause trouble.
Nobody has questioned whether you are Scottish or not. There are plenty Scottish Unionists but like you they are British first.
You can name me any time you like but before you do let me tell you that I’ve heard it all before.
Mark Beggan would like to thank the good Rev Campbell… well thanks for the foundation of truthful journalism.
Hatuey –
You’re too impatient. There can be an indeterminate delay before comment appear. You have to keep refreshing the page.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/#comment-2820348
Hatuey,
Thanks for the info. I have read the FOI release.
Not sure what to make of it. Humza obviously wanted a brief chat with the Chief Constable after a formal meeting. Could have been about anything – we’ll never know. It looks like a formal request was made, contrary to what the paper states. Even if formal notes were taken, reasons would be found for not releasing them.
It just looks suspicious in view of what happened a few days later.
Perhaps Humza just said ” Nicola sends her love”. Ha ha.
Aye so you say Andy but I don’t believe a single word you write, nothing you write, nothing John Main writes and Chas well he’s just another Unionist who has recognised you two for what you are.
Can you name these usual suspects, fringe nutters, etc that you keep pontificating about?
As for TURABDIN I’ll wait to see his answers before deciding about him.
As it stands I’m suspicious.
My last comment had a delay between 5 and 10 minutes before appearing.
It’s great to know there’s been confirmed fraud within the SNP.
Douglas Chapman was right all along…
This is why shifty Peter Murrell wasn’t letting him look at the cooked books.
Walter Scott. “Oh what a tangled Web we weave. When first we practice to deceive.”
I hope the press are viscous this week. Leaky Liz Lloyd has already washed her hands of Sturgeon. You’re on your own now nicola. A leapord doesn’t change its spots now after all.
Delighted with the confirmed fraud.
Charge them boys.
O/T: salmon farming firms taking Don Staniford to court to stop him paddling near their farms and taking videos in order to publicise the damage done to the fish and the environment. They want to stop ANYONE from coming close to their farms AND stop drones flying over i.e. its an attack on all of us.
Lawyers have worked 2 years pro bono on this man’s case but now for the Edinburgh High Court appearance he needs to pay a barrister so there’s a crowdfunder on crowdjustice.com:
“Help Expose the Welfare Nightmare of Salmon Farming!”
https://archive.is/toRZZ
Bloody ads
They are calling him
‘trans paedophile butcher’
Shona says
‘there was “no evidence that holding a Gender Recognition Certificate is exploited by predatory offenders.’
Sigh!
The Tory woman like Kemi Badenoch & Rishi Sunak are pretending the GRA 2004 is not part of UK legislation and they don’t believe men can change sex when the the UK legislation allows for precisely that.
Here’s the direct link. Cant read the archived version for Bloody ads
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-minister-rejected-concerns-trans-31978562
Did we ever find out how the ‘trans paedo butcher’ got his black eye?
BDTT; “You’re too impatient.”
100% guilty. And I’m usually doing 10 things at once, all whilst smoking and drinking coffee.
Merganser, I’m not 100% certain the documents I linked to are the ones referred to in the newspaper… I’ve not had time to look closely and found them in a bit of a rush after a couple of searches – are we assuming they are?
Either way, you’re right. We will never know what they get up to, between their redactions, their deletions, and their generally secretive behaviour we have no chance.
You’ve got to assume that what we do know is only the tip of a massive iceberg, though.
@Andy Ellis 9:09
Geri is an expert on commercial aviation. We don’t know if she flies airliners, or is responsible for bolting on the false doors on the factory floor.
She also has an absolute fixation on getting us into the EU without a democratic mandate. To that end, she repeatedly lies about the SNP’s policy of using any future Indy referendum as a parallel referendum for EU membership. A twofer in other words. A vote for Indy will also count as a vote for joining the EU.
I recognise we don’t see eye-to-eye on iScotland’s relationship with the EU, but I do hope you will accept that we Sovereign Scot citizens of a future Independent Scotland should at least have the opportunity to assess the membership options on offer, before having a free and democratic vote on which we should accept, if any.
But if you don’t agree, I’ll try not to post a hysterical diatribe of potty mouthed insults back at you 🙂
BBC reporting an escaped monkey on the loose in Kincraig.
Anybody noticed if one of the usual suspects has been offline today?
Locals have been advised to hide all SNP badges. If the monkey manages to grab one, it could find itself immediately voted into HR.
And then residency of Bute House is only one fraudulently run election away …
Chas
**Bunter got approx 40% of the vote in the last GE which gave him a landslide. SNP got approx 32% in Scotland, which give them 50+ MP’s to effectively achieve nothing of note.**
The Scottish National Party (SNP) received the most votes (45%, up 8.1% from the previous election) and won 48[n 1] out of 59 seats—a gain of 13 over those won in 2017, and 81% of the Scottish seats in the House of Commons.[2]
Interesting innit. Bunter got less % but managed to pull off *the will of the ppl – Deal or no deal=shit deal* bullshit while Scotland was mocked & told to sit down & shut it about Indyref.
**Our electoral voting system has not changed for donkey’s years but Scotland, the UK, indeed the world has changed beyond all recognition. **
Make up yer mind. Are you Scottish or English? You seem upset Scotland actually did something about it & campaigned for change. Both for Holyrood & permanently through Indyref.
Blame naw voters – they fcked the vote to remain exactly the same & with absolutely fck all idea what that would entail or that of Brexit either.
**I am not sure if PR is the answer but something surely has to change. The sad thing is that is not in the best interest of the two main Political Parties to change anything.**
Then again, do something about it. Why be on an Indy site 24/7 posting how boring we all are. Get England to change. You can start by demanding yer own wee pretendy parliament & then we can all pour over their annual accounts of how pish poor they are. Jellied eels & Jam not exactly racking it in to pay for all the warring they do.
Go & get started. Campaign for English independence.
@Geri 11:56
Dinna fash, ye’re a long way from being boring. The very opposite in fact. I find you continually fascinating, approximately in inverse proportion to the level in your bottle.
And it’s “pore”, not “pour”. Haha, wee Freudian slip from you there, but again, dinna fash.
Shame yer internet is being censored by “them”. You could check this stuff out for yourself.
Genocide John.
The SNP is finished. Over. Finito.
Stop fapping over them. Sturgeon, Dumbza, the EU.
I doubt they’ll survive trannygate to be involved in anything at Holyrood ever again.
& I don’t get why you keep banging on about the EU. Most posts that I’ve read on here seem to be against full membership, at the very least until it gets it’s house in order. I have also said that I’d personally not rush into another union – so yet again you tell lies.
So calm yourself. Deep breaths. No one is dragging yer racist wee arse back there anytime soon are they? Fck me – the SNP couldn’t even secure a glorified opinion poll amongst it’s own citizens who gifted them various mandates, they’re hardly going to go all in & parachute ye intae the EU while you were busy reading up on mutilated babies that just so happen to be in ever Brit war ever started. Funny that innit?
Genocide Gaslighting John
I think you’ll be the one ending up censored if you keep it up.
I suggest you read the rules on correcting people’s grammar & spelling rather than sticking to the subject.
A classic trait by those who have fck all else to say but pick over other people’s grammar & typos on a regular basis.
Get a life.
For goodness sake.
Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty is going on about ‘the usual suspects’
Oh and guess what else he’s on about?
Humza Yousaf and the fraudulent erection. SSDD!
And you know what it’s all your fault, yes you ‘usual suspects’ I’m looking at you. You should be doing something about the fraud in Bute House. You could at least stand for election or erection or something.
Do something you waste of space fringe nutters.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
Fringy fringy nutter Nutty nutty fringer
Fringy fringy nutter nutty cuuuuuuuunt.
Hoorah! Bravo! Guan yersel!
Quote of the day: “the SNP couldn’t even secure a glorified opinion poll amongst it’s own citizens who gifted them various mandates, they’re hardly going to go all in & parachute ye intae the EU while you were busy reading up on mutilated babies…”
Congratz Geri.
Heheheheeee
Hatuey
*Takes a bow* lol
Genocide John is bricking it incase he ends up back in the EU without his knowledge. The Dumbo doesn’t realise his beloved UK will probably be there afore us. They must surely miss being in the thick of it & meddling now that things are hoting up. Maybe Starmer will u turn & frighten the shite out of him lol.
Ruby..
Aye. You’d think these eejits would do something to force change. Scotland did. It isn’t our fault their union is shite – we told them it was. They do feck all about it.
The English are thick as mince. They could jettison the Royals & the two party state if they really, really, really wanted to. Jeez – they’re being restricted beyond belief by the Tories & Labour (who promise to change nothing )but that seems perfectly OK. As long as it’s not the pesky EU imposing their fictitious rules they’re happy for the Tories to do real ones in perpetuity.
All England had to do was protest for workers rights & down tools. Bring the country to a standstill. They couldn’t even do that & Tories changed the rules on voting, protest & crime including thought crime without so much as a squeak from any of them.
Yet here they are, on an Indy site, a site dedicated to change, telling us all where we’re going wrong, were anti English & it’s them who they voted Naw or live in the shite country that hold the power & do nothing with it.
You couldn’t make it up..
There’s a story on the Daily Express. Perhaps Ruby can archive it.
Homicide cops are to interview unite the unions and whistleblowing NHS nurse. Leslie Roberts.
You need to get Leslie Roberts on Wings Over Scotland. She’s making serious allegations and the police about the death protocol introduced by the NHS health boards.
Could this have something to do with whg Sturgeon’s deleted all her bleeding messages?
Leslie lost her relatives to covid. Was also
“She was a senior nurse with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde at the outset of the pandemic. Her original complaint centres on three main allegations – that ministers and officials broke the law by enforcing the infamous policy to clear space in hospitals by transferring elderly and infirm patients into care homes; that ministers and officials knew there were concerns about the efficacy of PPE including face masks, which didn’t provide adequate protection for NHS and social care workers; and that there was an increased use of Do Not Resuscitate orders, leading to unnecessary deaths and suffering.”
The Scottish Daily Express. Whistleblowing nurse Leslie Roberts. She’s making serious allegations.
The massive scale, corporate homicide investigation called operation Koper.
Officers from the Unresolved Homicide Investigation Team – West are searching for pandemic criminality as part of Operation Koper, set up to look into the care home deaths.
Someone needs to get this brave whistleblowing nurse on the phone now. The cops, are interviewing her. Scotland deserves to know, the details. Get her on the prism show. Tell Roddy. Get her on Wings Over Scotland.
Set the truth free brothers and, sisters.
Good suggestion about contacting Roddy MacLeod to have Leslie Roberts as a guest on the Prism show.
Through a Scottish Prism a a very well watched show now and gives great commentary on political developments.
David Hannah
Ignored says:
29 January, 2024 at 3:31 am
The Scottish Daily Express. Whistleblowing nurse Leslie Roberts. She’s making serious allegations…
I’m no friend of Sturgeon, but the Daily Express is not a publication to take seriously, and Ms Robert’s precise credentials as a “whistleblower” need clarification.
As I understand it, Lesley Roberts, Rab Wilson and Roger Livermore made accusations of Corporate Manslaughter against the Scottish Government in March 23. Err, what were these public spirited individuals waiting for?
There “may” be an element of truth in some of it, I really don’t know, but it’s hard to be sure of anything beneath the overwhelming pungency of shit stirring, and serial shit stirring of all things Scottish where the Express is concerned.
Mind, given the dwindling readership of these Unionist rags, perhaps they can be excused for a degree of desperate sensationalism…. A drowning man and all that.
Personally, I just treat these publications like trolls and scroll on by. These days the “news” is generally found elsewhere… pretty much always.
The one qualification I would make, in fairness to these “whistleblowers”, is the big problem with a corrupt mainstream media.
If you do have a genuine grievance, which rancid organisation do you go to for the necessary publicity? You’re kinda stuck, aren’t you?
@John Main 11.30pm
I’m reasonably agnostic about the EU, particularly after its behaviour during the Greek debt crisis and its worrying tendency to kowtow to repressive actors like the Spanish government in relation to Catalonia and to the populist governments in Poland and Hungary.
My personal views however are largely beside the point: all the available evidence suggests that post independence the overwhelming majority of Scots will still be supporting full membership.
Despite Geri’s airily given (and false) assertion that the EU insists on a referendum for a candidate country to join, it’s not an official EU rule either to join or to accede, although historically those applying for membership have done so.
I’d certainly expect there to be one for important matters like EU or NATO membership, or monarchy versus republic, but it wouldn’t be unheard of for such matters to just be voted for in parliament based on the platforms of the various parties: that what representative democracy usually entails after all. Doubtless that would send some of the usual suspects over the edge, or they’d be insisting it can only happen after a Citizen’s Assembly or some form of direct democracy.
After all, it’s not as if a population have ever voted for something as self-harming as leaving the EU is it?
Oh….wait…
@Ruby
“I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.”
Isn’t that a line in a Simon and Garfunkel song?
Tomorrah is the anniversary of the day when a young woman in the HoC gubbed a gubmint Minister for lying to cover up moiders. That should be de rigueur, n’est ce pas? With clubs.For lying.
Sam
Not many of the regulars on here would avoid being clubbed then, would they?
This place would be like an ice flow shortly after a visit by Japanese sealers.
But let’s cut to the big story galvanising Scotland this morning. Are the rumours of an impending by-election in the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey constituency true?
And does that mean the monkey is not only still at large, but did manage to grab itself an SNP badge?
Just to stick my oar into the conversation above between David H. & Breeks .
I am not a doctor and can’t claim to know but these guys are apparently esteemed Professors and the fact they are saying this should give us all pause for thought…
tinyurl.com/2d9jkt56
tinyurl.com/d8sxewju
In the second link one of them is in a big train station in Japan somewhere trying to warn the public. He actually uses the word evil.
I think the people in charge of all the countries rolling out the ‘woke’ agenda on its populations are very likely all the same, for all intents and purposes, evil.
Are they capable of this? You bet they are.
@Andy Ellis
I guess we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out. The War being, of course, the biggest determinant of the two trajectories of interest.
For Scottish Indy, acting to stop it happening. (My view, I know not shared by you)
For the EU, acting to accelerate its break up.
I know that generally on here, we don’t “do” mainstream media, but the Guardian Online yesterday had a couple of very pessimistic articles about the forces tearing at the fabric of the EU.
And one of them coined a memorable phrase: “The EU has a consistent track record of punching below its weight.”
That can be clearly seen in the Red Sea crisis right now. Months of interruptions to crucial EU trade, continuing to escalate, and the EU can do little more than issue some bleats of protest. Whilst hoping against hope that non-EU powers will take the risks and take the costs of dealing with the problem.
Why am I able to see inside that office? Shouldn’t it be redacted?
@Geri 3:01
It’s “we’re” when you are abbreviating “we are”.
When you write “were”, it renders your sentence incomprehensible, unless the reader takes the time to puzzle it out from its context.
When posting, you should aim to increase the power and reach of your text by making every effort to maximise lucidity and comprehensability. Getting your syntax, grammar and spelling right is a key part of that.
Take the time and trouble to read over each post and make corrections/clarifications before hitting that “Submit” button. You’ll find it pays dividends – trust me on that.
Flying Iron
Wikipedia is your friend.
As to why it was banned in most of the west, I think somebody sensitive got mis-gendered.
And from that, in today’s moral climate, there can be no return. Soz.
@John Main
“comprehensability.”
You crack me up. Your rude sneering at Geri’s grammar is completely undermined by your inability to spell “comprehensibility”.
Instead of appearing just to be looking for mistakes why not be polite and look at the substance?
There’s the Leslie Roberts homicide cops interviewing the whistleblowing nurse.
And now. Rumour has it. According to the Daily Mail. Ian Blackford’s wife has turfed him out. The humble crofter wants to buy a house in London.
Which would explain why he wants to join the house of Lords.
If only you’d been a better man. I wonder if his wife found out about his role in the failed Alex Salmond conspiracy.
And then she’s kicked him out. I do wonder.
Pile on the agony. I hope the press tear them to shreds this week.
The covid inquiry. Sturgeon takes the stand on Wednesday. Through the book at her.
Sturgeon done it. She’s the one they will blame for all of this!
I can’t wait. I’ve been waiting for years for you Nicola. To be torn to shreds. A reduced figure… If only you’d been a better woman… Yesterday’s woman… If only Nicola. If only your behaviour.
Band over the whatsapp messages you absolute bint! Or we’ll the national crime agency to get the data from Meta. Hand it over sturgeon. You absolute cretin.
It makes me happy. To see the SNP in turmoil. I actually really enjoy it. It makes me smile.
Yousaf not very popular on the DM Online this morning.
Something about him spaffing our Scottish tax payer’s hard earned on his pals in Gaza.
At least the mystery of Dan’s neglected vegetation is partially solved. Our dosh goes on supporting terrorism, and helping Yousaf’s extended family escape the worst fall out from that terrorism.
Some of the usual suspects should get on there and explain how Yousaf was fraudulently elected by a secretive and corrupt cabal of SNP apparatchiks. As things stand, to most of the outside world, it appears that Yousaf speaks for and represents Scotland.
We all need to get the word out – he does neither.
I seen that John. The First Minister of Gaza has announced that funding will not be suspending the £750,000 of Scottish tax payers money linked to the UNRWA UN agency under investigation for terrorism links.
Hamas Yousless more like.
You just did.
Sam 10:10
Where’s the rude sneering?
Where’s the impoliteness?
Good spot on the spelling error, but be honest, were you really looking at the substance of my post yourself when you decided to make a point about it?
You have certainly inferred stuff about it that wasn’t there.
Here you go David
One from The Herald
Whistleblower nurse fears official Scots Covid inquiry ‘cover-up’
https://archive.is/XC9nE
One from the Express
https://archive.is/g8Zwt
Whistleblowing nurse says Scottish Covid Inquiry is ‘fatally flawed’ due to SNP influence
John Main @10:22
Cheers John 🙂
I reckon any (expletive deleted) clowns conflating the UN with terrorism must have lost the plot completely and risk removal from office by men in white coats rather than just the police/ electorate*
eg Remember when funding was pulled for NHS after Smeato punched out one of their flaming Doctors at Glasgow airport back in the day?
*If they been using UN as cover for assymetric warfare elsewhere in the region that’s whole other story, albeit one that invites profound reflection on the merits of waiting until they’re inside the cuckoo nest to provide full transparency on such wild conspiracies!
He wants to buy a house in London to ensure he can continue in the Lords when Scotland becomes independent. Remember when the Scottish Lords did research into their position vis a vis continuing in the Lords in the event of Scottish independence. All they had to do was move to England.
He’ll be joining Dr ‘Whatsherface’ soon in the Tory Party.
https://archive.is/uWMNE
What can one say about these cunts?
Cunts!
Oh Gawd!
You ‘usual suspects’ are at it again.
You need to get the word out about Humza Yousaf’s fraudulent erection.
Hang on! John Main is going to tell us how to do that.
Nutter!
Stu is fed up! So I’m not sure if he’s up to writing about Humza’a fraudulent erection at the moment just for Humpty ‘totally cracked’ Dumpty.
Stu could be fed-up with all the ‘War Porn’ being posted on his website.
I think it was clear that Stu wasn’t into the ‘War Porn’ when he listed UK-raine and Pu*tain as banned words.
Did the ‘War Fetishists’ listen no they did not.
Disrespectful deviant cunts!
That is pathetic Blimp Boy!
“Ruby
Ignored
says:
29 January, 2024 at 10:50 am
Cunts!”
Nah, they lack the warmth and the depth…
Geri, Geri, Geri, Geri, Geri…
Wow! I feel like a pop star!
Sam
Cheers! A wee bit of Karma there lol
Genocide John
Who do you think created & funded Dumbzas *pals* in Gaza before it all went horribly wrong?
Gowan, Gowan – give us all a laugh..
Sunak was elected by a couple of mates.
You’d think Genocide John would be more worried about a UK prime minister in charge of nukes & state security than he would be about a diddly wee branch manager with a few admin duties …but apparently not.
Yoons, who is like them eh?
Hatuey @ 11.04.
The link was the right one thanks.
It’s pure speculation on my part, but I think Humza was probably trying to get some information about ongoing events. I imagine he got short shrift.
As the new leader of the party he would have been desperate to know about certain matters and how they were proceeding and probably saw this as an opportunity to test the water with the CC, who was not going to put his head on that block.
But we’ll never know because they won’t tell us. And even if they did say something, we would never know if it was the truth.
The SNP have doomed themselves with their secrecy and lies. The sooner they go, the better.
Maybe!
I was inspired by a young woman singing during a football match about how she would prefer to be Pakistani than be a Catholic.
Have you got a link to this clubbing of gubmint minister?
I would quite like to see them being dragged naked into the street getting their mouths washed out with carbolic soap and their heads shaved even if they hadn’t a single hair on their shiny heeds.
What ever happened to thon Tory accused of rape? Is the investigation still continuing?
PS You’re pretty ‘au fait’ with the French. Have you already got your O grade mon ami?
@Ruby
Nothing to show the actual event. But here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00nm166
Thon Tory -dinnae ken.
I’d rather be a nutter than a cunt,
Yes, I would if I only could,
I surely would.
Could be catchy. Once in your head.
I’d rather eat a sardine than a whale.
Mais oui. Depuis longtemps. Mais je ne peut parler bien.
Bernadette – elle est magnifique
So, it looks like they’re doing everything possible to silence the whistleblowing nurse, right before our eyes. It’s another judicial charade, a stitch-up, made in Scotland.
There are dark forces at work. You don’t see them, they hide in the shadows, behind curtains and cloaks of secrecy. You’re not allowed to see them, and if you do it’s illegal to speak of them.
You can see what they leave behind though, there’s no hiding that; the carnage, the failure, the broken lives, empty purses, bills, etc.
They can hide evidence of their involvement, but a trail of spotless crime scenes is still a trail.
@Ruby
“mon ami” ou “mon amie”. Mes pronouns, s’il vous plait. Je m’identifie comme un chat.
En francais, tout le temps c’est masculin.
I doubt the Ned in Red would delete all those messages just for a few swear words and insults and incur all those very negative headlines… must be much worse.
Mon non plus Sam.
On dit que je parle le français comme une vache Espagnole
or maybe it was a ‘Basque Espagnole’
or maybe both. Who knows what that even means?
I don’t think it’s good.
That ditty sure is catchy!
‘I’d rather be a nutter than a cunt’
is stuck in my head now!
Bernadette – She is magnifique!
Et maintenant que Vais-je faire? *(that’s a song)
Time for gateau, cafe au lait & a demi-baquette with pate.
a bientot!
*Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apV2VZgyzco
might help to get
I’d rather be a nutter than a cunt’
out of my head!
@John Main 9.07am
It’s possible that “The War” may have the impacts you describe and both make Scottish independence less likely and some crisis in the EU more likely. People here may err on the side of caution and crave less uncertainty, and the impacts of the conflict may accelerate existing issues within the EU…but ah hae ma doots!
WRT to Scotland, I think the SNP omnishambles may open things up, although I don’t expect much action until post Westminster GE: sometimes things have to be destroyed before you can rebuild. There are even now far too many clinging to the idea that the SNP is salvageable or indeed that there is going to be anything worth saving from the wreckage.
An electoral gubbing for the SNP and (hopefully) some well aimed and timed prosecutions and incarcerations should prove a salutary lesson for those still clinging to their discredited faith.
As for the EU, yes it punches below it’s weight, but those making that criticism are generally akin to those pulling the wings off a butterfly and then laughing about it’s lack of ability to fly.
Europeans have (and have had since 1945) a number of choices. They can:
1) depend on the US/NATO as their security guarantor, which is what most have done. This allows most of them to spend less on defence than they probably should, most of the time. The payback is accepting that the US calls the shots in a geo-political sense, and that for the most part you lack the wherewithal politically, economically and militarily to act independently or against the US interests;
2) try to go it alone and either be properly neutral and pay for the privilege by spending decent amounts on defence (like Sweden did until recently) or more or less make yourself defenceless (like Ireland) and trust that nobody is interested in attacking you and you will never find yourself in any danger; or
3) you put together a “third way” with some form of independent European defence and security identity which can act independently of both US or any other potential global strategic threat. There are pros & cons: it would mean we weren’t obliged to follow anyones lead politically and militarily, and provides economies of scale in defence spending, more of which would be spent in Europe providing more investment in R&D and jobs.
It would probably mean sacrificing some national sovereignty to a centralised EU or other body tasked with being a Euro-NATO, whether totally integrated or just confederated with a common command structure would have to be determined.
Prior to Vlad’s special military operation I’d always kinda hoped that there might be a future for a “breakaway” defence and security organisation based on the Nordic countries, the Baltic States & maybe Scotland and Ireland that declared “armed neutrality” & went their own way in the world. I fear that is now even less likely with Sweden and Finland joining NATO.
Perhaps if your imagined breakdown of the EU comes to pass things will change. Life comes at you fast sometimes. The Swedes and Finns I know didn’t see the recent change of direction coming, and we shouldn’t under-estimate just how big a deal that was in both nations given their historic neutrality.
The bottom line is, if we don’t want to be dancing to Uncle Sam’s tune, we have to come up with a viable alternative that is more attractive than the status quo to the majority of our population. So far, those proposing alternatives aren’t making much traction that I can see.
O/T: rather late last night I put on here the title of the Crowdjustice crowdfunder in aid of Don Staniford who is being taken to court by 3 giant fish farm owners including Mowi.
Don objects on animal welfare, environmental and right to roam grounds to the SLAPP case being brought against him. He kayaks close to the farms and other installations to take film of the fish farm operations as evidence of wrongdoing. So these firms don’t like it and seek to ban EVERYONE from going close to the farms or flying drones over them.
Don has received pro bono legal help for 2 years but now the case in the Edinburgh High Court on 1st February requires even more legal time plus a barrister. A £25,000 crowdjustice crowdfunder has been opened:
“Help Expose the Welfare Nightmare of Salmon Farming!”. [Sorry for not linking – still haven’t got round to following Robert Peffers tutoring in 2016 on how to post links!] It has reached £2500 so far, 21 days to go.
Make up your mind mon amie!
Are you a chat or a chatte?
Are you a chatte with a pussy?
Wit?
Ding! Dong! They’re at the door.
They are coming to take he he ha ha ho ho.
Oh no and the chat has just chatte in the corner.
It’s known that GDP is not a good measure of the size of the economy or the welfare of the people in a country.
A new measure might be the Happiness Index.
“Happiness Index, 0 (unhappy) – 10 (happy), 2022: The average for 2022 based on 134 countries was 5.54 points. The highest value was in Finland: 7.8 points and the lowest value was in Afghanistan: 1.86 points. The indicator is available from 2013 to 2022. Below is a chart for all countries where data are available.”
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/happiness/
Lots of small countries at the top. UK score was 6.8.
GDP will be increased in the UK by the recent flooding which causes people to replace damaged items with new.
For the same reason robberies will increase GDP. I think it is possible that the Tories may put in place a secret Robberies Department the function of which will be to increase GDP before the coming election.
Show us the happiness!
Michael Mann is one of the climate scientists who produced the infamous “hockey stick” temperature reconstruction.
It led to all sorts of claims and counter-claims ending in Court.Mann v Steyn.
Here is a bit of a legal finding at the outset.
“Opinions and rhetorical hyperbole are protected speech under the First Amendment. Arguably, several of defendants’ statements fall into these protected categories. Some of defendants’ statements, however, contain what could reasonably be understood as assertions of fact. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently, manipulating his data to achieve a predetermined or political outcome, or purposefully distorting the scientific truth are factual allegations. They go to the heart of scientific integrity. They can be proven true or false. If false, they are defamatory. If made with actual malice, they are actionable. Viewing the allegations of the amended complaint in the light most favorable to the plaintiff, a reasonable finder of fact is likely to find in favor of the plaintiff.”
The sceptical climate scientist, Judith Curry is giving evidence for Steyn.Her website is here.
https://judithcurry.com/
You may watch the trial on Webex room 132
Ruby @ 8.28pm
‘Were it not for ‘Women’s Rights’ being in jeopardy I would probably be as switched off as I were prior to the IndyRef debate’
Wouldn’t it be far better if people became switched off in politics when leaders followed the manifesto they were elected on, showed some measure of competence in delivering pre-election pledges, and distanced themselves from highly controversial issues?
At a local level, if the electorate ‘have no faith in the council doing anything right’ then the revolving door of SNP/Lab/Con administrations solves nothing and shrugging shoulders/not voting/switching parties will never bring about change or accountability.
As long as the public have a fixation of voting for a political party rather than an individual, nothing will change. Outside influences on political parties, whether at local or national level, are endemic, and influencing a council group or party of 64/72 politicians signed up to ‘collective responsibility’ and adherence to the party whip appears to be relatively straightforward. But trying to do that locally or in parliaments where the elected majority independently represent the views of their ward or constituency is quite another.
Your views on Women’s Rights, GRRB, and the GRA are overwhelmingly supported by those outside the HR bubble, but a pack of just 70 MSPs are being allowed to ride roughshod over the views of 4.25 million citizens.
And nothing will change when the revolving door swings from Con to Lab at the GE, and from SNP to Lab in 2026, because, as you rightly point out, ‘It would be very hard to get people interested in politics at this point in time’.
Re. Sarah 1.16
Good call. Those salmon farms are toxic nightmares, basically as damaging to our inshore waters and rivers as deforestation was to our hills and glens.
I will be happy to make a donation as per the link below…
http://www.crowdjustice.com/case/stop-mowi-privatising-public-waters-in-scotland/
@ Hatuey at 4.43: thanks for putting the link on! And for making a donation. I see that since my post the crowdfunder is now at £2905, up £405.
@ sam says: 29 January, 2024 at 1:39 pm
For the same reason robberies will increase GDP. I think it is possible that the Tories may put in place a secret Robberies Department the function of which will be to increase GDP before the coming election
I don’t carry much of a candle for the Tories these days, but in the interests of strict fairness, we should also look at the SNP record (AKA the Tartan Tories – so maybes there’s a wee clue hiding in plain sight).
£600K ringfenced fund – Yup, we was robbed.
£750K UN aid for desperate civilians – Yup, we was robbed.
The honour and tradition of Scottish leader, as represented by the office of First Minister of Scotland, and Keeper Of The Great Seal – Yup, we was robbed there too.
The Tories may well like to do it in secret, but the SNP brazen it out in public.
Oh well, roll on May 2026.
For the avoidance of doubt.
I might respond to the fringe nutters, but, only if the mood takes me. However, I see no point in replying to the absolute fruit cases who are slowly but surely driving the sane from this site.
What do we want-INDEPENDENCE
When do we want it-NOW
What will we do if we get it-FUCK KNOWS
How will we achieve it-BY MAGIC
@ Andy Ellis says: 29 January, 2024 at 1:12 pm
I’m not finding much to argue against in your post. Whilst I would prefer option 3 myself, I’m expecting option 1 – huddle under the US umbrella and pray they don’t snatch it away when the weather turns bad.
I’ve been intrigued by Trump’s very bellicose language over the weekend on the ME situation and the Female Genital Mutilators (Iran). Whilst there is no doubt he’s stoking up passions for party political reasons, if he does make it to the White House he’s going to have to deliver on what he has promised, or threatened.
And that, I suspect, will cause him to change position on 404, simply because the Russtis and the Female Genital Mutilators (Iran) are working together.
What will be interesting will be if the western rhetoric against the Female Genital Mutilators (Iran) continues to ratchet up, if Vlad comes out and openly backs them. An attack on them is an attack on Russtiland sort of thing. Vlad is probably smart enough to realise that would unblock the US aid to 404 though!
One thing I do expect from all of this is a deterioration in our living standards. Western governments have so far made a reasonable job of protecting us from the worst of the recent seismic shocks, but the cupboard looks empty to me. Getting serious about the deteriorating international situation is going to mean some very painful fiscal re-prioritising. It’s going to be fun watching Starmer sort it out!
@sam 2.58: that should be very interesting (and thanks for the link), since climate catastrophists usually avoid debating with Judith Curry because she, like Professor John Christy, argues using data rather than employing computer “modelling”.
On the problems of peer-review generally, this is interesting: https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/
And coming from the BMJ, it’s rather alarming…
@Chas 5.31pm
Chas! As any fule kno we sovereign Scots shall be wafted to the sunny uplands of freeeedom on the wings of our Salvo Claim of Right Breach of Treaties of Union Convention of the Estates Citizens Assembly of ra Peepul, OK?
Anybody who doesn’t agree is a yoon planted 77th Brigade Britnat, right? We don’t need to bother with pesky popular majorities, referendums or plebiscitary elections because there are multiple, guaranteed, unanswerable, patent silver bullet short cuts to the glorious rapture of NATO free, non EU autarky in our neo Brigadoon.
As long as you’re not a mud blood natch. 🙂
Do you worry about the sane being driven from the site, Chas?
Are you as concerned about that as John Main is about the plight of imaginary babies?
Where’s paltering Andy with his moral-equivalence-calculator when you need him…
I see a few US soldiers have been killed but I’m confused about where that happened – some sources are saying it was in Syria, some saying Jordan. And yes, it matters.
I guess it’s time for the US to adopt a John Wayne posture.
Zzzzzzzzz
“What will we do if we get it-FUCK KNOWS”
How about Alba pledging to tax energy companies through the roof? Theres nothing in any contract that can stop a government adjusting tax rates.
And if they choose/threaten to close down operations rather than pay more in taxes, we can offer to buy and nationalise them.
At the stroke of a pen, Scottish people will have near-free heating and electricity.
Andy Ellis
Just after posting that response above, I went over to Unherd for the first time today:
https://unherd.com/thepost/prime-minister-starmer-will-be-more-hawkish-than-any-tory/
Here’s a wee quote:
“one can also see how issues of foreign policy might quickly appeal to a Labour prime minister whose opportunities for domestic reform are constrained. Unable, or unwilling, to solve the major problems impacting millions of voters — from housing to eviscerated high streets — an overseas crusade could seduce. At a dangerous moment for Britain and the world, Labour’s next premier sounds suspiciously reminiscent of its last but one. I’d wager Starmer is more likely to lead us into the next pointless war than almost anyone on the Tory benches”
Spooky, eh?
Here you go Chas
https://archive.is/rsCYu
Have a read of that & tell me what you think
In the report, Levelling Up Secretary Gove said that Scottish independence was the biggest “risk” that the UK Government faced other than the pandemic itself, adding: “Protecting and strengthening the Union must be a cornerstone of all that we do.”
Why would Scottish Independence be the biggest ‘risk’ to the UK Gov? Chas
Do you ever think about that when you demand to be ‘shown the money’
C’mon pal stop posting pish and gives us some serious answers.
Lets focus on the RUK just for today why would Scotland leaving them be the biggest risk?
In view of this do you think if would be a good idea for them to show us the money?
@Chas 5:31pm
You are articulating the consequences of a devisive strategy for over a decade (Primarily by Nicola Sturgeon but also by the UK Conservative Government) And the Covid Public Inquiry has exposed the divisiveness of the 2 Governments. One of the benefits of doing voluntary work is you get to meet people of all persuasion. I had a brilliant chat with a Unionist today. Both of us lamented the lack of Governance at all levels. UK. Holyrood and Local Council. We had more in common than you would believe.
@John Main 5.54pm
Starmer is about as likely to sort things out as J K Rowling is likely to be invited to give an address to the next SNP Party Conference.
With the GE hoving in to view, I wonder if the Tories will make the same mistake they made last time and hang their hat on the wrong issues? May tried to make the 2017 GE about brexit, but voters were probably more focused on austerity and social care policies.
The frothing brexiteers and Powellites now may have a bit of a hard on about stopping boats and all inclusive deals to Rwanda, but I suspect the general population are more exercised about public services and our deteriorating standard of living and prospects.
I expect the coming vote to be the “it’s the public services, stupid!” election.
Perhaps people are now ready for the important lesson of the past several decades: the rot set in when English Conservatism was hi-jacked by thatcher and her crew. Shrinking the state and denying there is any such thing as society won’t deliver world beating public services, nor will it promote equality and levelling up, because trickle down economics is a lie, and the less well off don’t benfit from growing the pie, the rich just eat more of it.
What we end up with is a race to the bottom, a US style system with little or no safety net, rising inequality, deteriorating public services and infrastructure that looks increasingly third world.
Perhaps if Trump wins and opts for the neo-isolationist nuclear option of leaving NATO or bringing it down about our ears, things might change. Some Republicans are sounding pretty hawkish right now, but Trump seems very anti involvement even if he was responsible for taking out Qasem Soleimani in 2020. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden ratcheted up the response to the recent deaths of US service personnel in Jordan in hope it will bring him electoral advantage to be seen as coming down hard on the Iranians.
As the old Chinese curse has it: “May you live in interesting times!”.
@ Hatuey says: 29 January, 2024 at 5:59 pm
Do you worry about the sane being driven from the site
TBQH, I’ve become far more concerned about the insane being driven from the site.
It’s almost impossible to turn the TV on these days without hearing about some deranged lunatic stabbing shoppers, some nutjob blowing up kids, some moonhowler driving a vehicle into a crowd of holidaymakers.
Far, far better for their similarly afflicted brothers and sisters to be at home in their bedrooms, furiously posting on here, denying everything that does not support their warped agenda or pretzel-based sense of grievance. Keeping them on here is ultimately harmless and it protects the public from their capacity for harm.
So Hats, I understand that the sane, reality grounded, facts-based, logically minded pragmatists have been turning this into a toxic site for you lately.
I am truly sorry. Don’t give up on us. Stick around. Post some more.
Starmer won’t be sorting things out with J K Rowling and that’s for sure.
When is the Paris Olympics?
That could cause a bit of a headache for Starmer & Sunack also Greens & Lib Dems & Humza. The whole lot of them.
Transwomen competing against women on the world’s stage could be a huge problem nationally and internationally.
It looks as if Thomas Lia is taking legal action he feels he should be allowed to compete as a woman in the Paris Olympics.
People switch off from politics but they love sport especially the Olympics.
jim murphy – savior of scotland
on politics hub – sophie – next hour
Hats off to Hatuey : a series of brilliant posts , above , mon brave .
Here’s whose side the slaughter-supporting goons on here are on
https://outlook.live.com/mail/0/inbox/id/AQMkADAwATY3ZmYAZS1kYmQ0LTRhZjctMDACLTAwCgBGAAADqa0SHTgw906yy2XZsyGhYgcALhp0oulldEuf%2FC%2BwrZZEigAAAgEMAAAALhp0oulldEuf%2FC%2BwrZZEigAHwbuBKwAAAA%3D%3D
Stu , if you see this could you delete my post , above : I inadvertently C&P direct from my email rather that from the link itself !
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-four-horsemen-of-gazas-apocalypse?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=778851&post_id=140896990&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreem
Andy Ellis
5.56
Agree with everything you wrote.
I await some cohesive strategy for Independence from somebody, anybody but I do not see any Party even attempting to do so. I mistakenly thought that if a Political Party was wanting to achieve something worthwhile they would try and convince the electorate to their point of view. Silly me.
There are no MAGIC shortcuts but some individuals cannot or will not see it. Let’s not worry-it will all be fine!
George Ferguson
6.17
Unfortunately it suits the current Governments at Holyrood and Westminster to be divisive and hostile towards each other. The SNP need to stoke the hatred of all things English, for the benefit of the braindead faithful. The Tory’s simply point out the woeful record of the SNP over the past 9 or so years which gets them off the hook.
I find it difficult to say who I despise the most-Tory’s or SNP. Let’s call it a draw.
I hate to say it but the best thing that could happen to the UK, is for everybody to vote Labour and obliterate both of them and we can start again in Scotland. I await pelters for stating that-not that it bothers me in the slightest.
@Andy Ellis
Leaving aside the speculation about NATO i would guess that a great many here would agree with you.
A vision for an independent Scotland would exclude neoliberalism. Why?
Some scandals arise from neoliberalism. Finance trumps health.The endless stream of hospital scandals in England – Kent, Stafford, many others- where thousands of deaths arise from making hospitals compete against each other while government fails to regulate them effectively.
The same approach allowed banks to be too big to fail while creating the circumstances in which they would fail – no effective regulation. The authors of this were Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown. Since 2000 £53 billion from the ten biggest banks has been paid in compensation for misconduct/mis-selling going back to the 1990s.. Banks should be public utilities not private vehicles for looting public assets.
Some PFI contracts are soon to end. Some in Scotland (Royal Infirmary is one) will not see the buildings return to public ownership. They will have to be bought back, costing millions. This despite the fact that the PFI companies may have already received ten times the original building cost. More looting of public assets and closing of hospital beds.. Professor Pollock, a public health researcher says when a hospital is PFI it loses about 30% of beds to prioritise debt payment.
PFI companies were supposed to maintain PFI buildings. As contracts end there is likely to be tension between the PFI operators and Council/ Health bodies over whether this has been done adequately. There may have been more looting of public assets.
Since 2010 billionaires in UK increased in number from 54 to171. The richest 1% in the UK have more wealth than 70% of the population combined. They own 36.5% of all financial assets. No sound economy can exist on such foundations.
Thanks, Mr Hughes. One does one’s best.
Actually, though, in terms of ripping holes in the crap Ellis, Main, and others plaster here, it’s not exactly difficult. They’re trying to defend the indefensible and they know it.
Every argument they rely on has been destroyed in the last few days.
Every. Single. One.
@ Hatuey says: 29 January, 2024 at 6:07 pm
At the stroke of a pen, Scottish people will have near-free heating and electricity
It’s a sure-fire vote winner, Hats. You should stick it on your manifesto and stand as an independent. HR, or WM, you can’t lose.
I suspect you’re not in my constituency, but if by chance you are, you’ll have my vote. Just for being the first one to finally show me some money.
As I have pointed out on here more than once – if people really are scunnered with the existing politics and politicians, then they should get aff their fat erses and stand for office themselves.
It’s even more of a no-brainer for people convinced they have not only all the answers, but wildly popular answers too.
It’s mystifying why it’s not happening. And this a WM election year too.
@Tinto Chiel
As I expect you know, Mann was party to the “hide the decline” debacle.
A temperature reconstruction was made using tree rings as proxies. A massive area in Russia had one tree as proxy.
A problem was found in the modern age of the reconstruction. The reconstruction in the modern age did not match the measured temperature.
A big problem. If the reconstruction was inaccurate in one age why should it be taken as accurate in earlier years.
What the team sought to show was that there was no Medieval Warm Period and that modern warming was “unprecedented”.
Instead of showing the flawed reconstruction the team deleted data from 1940 on and substituted the measured temperature for it.
Made no mention of it so as not to “give fodder to the sceptics.”
Folland of the Met Office was heavily involved in this. He also was involved in the Met Office trying to put the thumb on the scale of the measured temperature
John Main, why did you answer a question above that was clearly directed at Chas?
Do you have more than one account, then?
@ Robert Hughes says: 29 January, 2024 at 7:42 pm
That article is a bit dated though, Bob. Still banging on about genocide when the ICJ ruled last week it’s not.
Here’s the laugh out loud quotes from it:
And it could all end if the U.S. chose to intervene
The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting
Lies. Of course. The fighting will continue if all they have are knives and lumps of concrete, iron bars and broken bottles.
Intervene, turn off the tap, whatever, as long as Hamas are sworn to the eradication of Israel and the extermination of the Jews, the war goes on. If anybody ever swears an oath to exterminate you, Bob, the penny may finally drop for you too. You will finally understand how one-sided peace ends for the peaceful side.
A useful article, coming from those determined on the eventual victory for Hamas, would be one that honestly and realistically addresses the aftermath options:
1) A genocide, and this time a real one. Or:
2) Several million Jewish refugees to resettle.
Apart from the usual suspects, nobody’s frightened of harsh truths on here, Bob. So why not outline the harsh truth of what you really want. At least we’ll know what we’re dealing with.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820532
I read that overly long post and I don’t get what he’s saying.
My analysis for what it’s worth is that the problem for whichever party get in and for the UK population is that the UK has no fuckin’ money. No money that the can show ‘Humpty totally cracked Dumpty’ no money for public services, NHS, housing for refugees, unemployment benefit or even state
pensions.
Your state pension is now a benefit and it will be means tested. There will be no unemployment benefit if you haven’t got a job then you starve. If you want to take a book out of the library you will be charged £2 and all the rest. It’s all understandable ‘cos no fuckin money.
They’ll be taking back control. They’ll be no protesting and no freedom of speech and if you break the rules your bank account will be closed.
They have no money hence the big worry about Scottish independence.
The bloke who wrote that overly long post did not mention problems with ‘gender recognition’ even once. I predict that could be a huge problem for all political parties. Well that depends on how many deviants & fetishists there are in the UK. There seems to be loads coming out of the closet on a daily basis just wanting to live their authentic lives.
All these sex changes are going to have a big impact on the NHS. Drugs for life, plastic surgery, laser hair treatment, penis to vagina conversion, vagina to penis, breast transplants & breast removal. And follow up visits for life.
I’m surprised Humza hasn’t been removed from office today. I had expected Alister Jack to say something on why Scotland is still funding the UNWRA in light of 12 of their employees being sacked for the terror attack links.
Humza failed to mention the Jewish on Holocaust memorial day on two occasions. Very bizzare. But that’s Humza for you.
@ Hatuey says: 29 January, 2024 at 8:11 pm
Soz Hats.
Since you proved to me yesterday that in every war, the stories of innocent deaths are just fabricated propaganda for the consumption of gullible fools, I haven’t been able to think straight.
And then when I read your game changer idea about near-free heating and electricity for us Scots, I just wanted to hand the whole complicated shooting match over to somebody who has all the answers.
Thus my plea for you to stand for office.
Soz again for being out of order. But I really would vote for you.
It was interesting (to me at least) that the former FM’s BBF, Ms Lloyd, retained her WhatsApp messages from the Dreghorn Diva and produced them nicely when asked. Suggesting perhaps that she was more politically aware than others in the administration and always intended to ensure that she covered her own back when the wheels came off.
This attracted my notice mainly because as far as I recall she was unable to produce similar messages at the Alex Salmond inquiry. Were one of a cynical turn of mind it would be tempting to speculate that she may have had something to fear had all those particular messages been discolsed.
Can’t wait for Ms Sturgeon’s appearance on wednesday, when I’d guess she’ll either have some of her constant, “I may have been told; I’d need to check on that, or the ever faithfull, I could have been aware of this however I have no recollection of it”.
Or, much more interesting, she let’s us know whom she has decided to throw under the ‘bus and starts to play the name game.
I support the Palestinians. But Hamas Humza. The First minister of Gaza. And the false minister of Bute House that cheated his way in a fraudulent election. And who is anti Christian. And anti LGB having dodged the vote.
Hamas Humza brings shame upon Scotland. I’m surprised Alaister Jack hasn’t given him a good talking down behind the scenes. I suspset our colonial masters will not be impressed by him deviating on foreign policy.
Ms Lloyd, retained her WhatsApp messages
All except those between Mar-Sept 2020
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPKMRMVE4Y
FF to 6.43 approx re missing What’s Apps between between Mar-Sept 2020
@Chas 6:50pm
If we called it a draw it would have to be a nil nil draw. Meanwhile people are genuinely suffering. All my kids are paying more for their mortgages just now, thanks to Liz Truss. Equally my daughter is not sending her children to school thanks to the imported ideologies of the manic Scottish Government. I was very happy to discuss these matters with a Unionist. I can speak to sensible people who care about public services and in the interests of ordinary people. I will attend the next branch meeting of Alba. I have one representative in the Scottish Parliament namely Ash Regan. I will relay to Wingers the NRS cover up before I go then everything I research or learn from previous SNP contacts is going to my sole Scottish Parliament representative.
@John Main
“Still banging on about genocide when the ICJ ruled last week it’s not.”
Still banging on about the ICJ when it has only reached an interim conclusion.
“Friday’s ruling does not determine whether Israel is committing genocide, as South Africa has alleged. But Judge Joan Donahue, the current president of the ICJ, said while announcing the provisional measures that the court had concluded that the “catastrophic situation” in Gaza could get much worse by the time it delivers its final verdict, necessitating provisional measures…
…“The ruling sends a strong message to Israel that the court views the situation as very serious and that Israel should do what it can to perform restraint in carrying out its military campaign,” said Michael Becker, an assistant professor of international human rights law at Trinity College in Dublin who also served as an associate legal officer at the International Court of Justice in The Hague from 2010 to 2014.”
I*rael created & funded Hamas, ya eejit.
& I*real is the one doing the exterminating. They’re the Nazi.
Not the Ruskies, not the Chinese, not the Iranians.
The I*stalis.
Do P*lestinians give one shiny shite about what the ICJ ruled?
No.
They care about their dead families currently lying under rubble. & The absolute inhumane way their UNARMED brothers & sisters were executed.
The whole world has watched a genocide & the whole world who cheered it on will pay the heavy price when they seek retribution.
“I’m going to bury my wife & dig up my gun – cause today I’m gonna kill someone”
They never learn.
I*steal has killed itself. There’s no way back from this even if they cleared ever single person out. The holocaust & antisemitism sympathy *permanent get out of jail card* is well & truly fucked for life now.
@Sven says: 29 January, 2024 at 8:32 pm
Good spot on the WhatsApp messages.
Can we say throw under the van instead?
Nicola always wanted to stress the subtle and not so subtle differences between WM and her during the good ol’ Covid Years, and it would be only fitting if she were to be granted her own, slightly different, metaphor.
And for her, an apt metaphor too.
Al Jazeera continues.
“Isr4el is required, under the ICJ’s ruling, to submit a report within a month showing that it is complying with the provisional measures. South Africa will have the chance to pick holes in Isr4el’s claim..
..Legal experts expect Isr4el’s allies in the West, including the US, to respect the ICJ’s ruling. To fail to do so would have serious repercussions…
..Some evidence suggests that Isr4el knows this, too. Soon after South Africa announced that it would bring a case before the ICJ, Isr4el’s tactics on the ground started to change, experts said.
There was “a rush to wipe out any possibility for a Palestinian return to the north of Gaza”, Hassan said, pointing to controlled b0mbings of universities and hospitals. “Once you have hospitals taken out, you make it impossible for people in w4r to stay. That’s a part of a strategy to force Palestinian population transfer and permanent displacement.”…
…The ICJ ruling could add steam to the push for a ceasefire in Gaza and for the US to insist on a higher level of accountability when it comes to Isr4eli military action.
“The minute the US says, ‘We’re no longer resupplying you,’ this w4r on Gaza has to end,” Hassan said.
I can understand that.
I’ve just been reading this:
https://archive.is/iTUdS
Montana Family Loses Custody Of Teenage Daughter After Expressing Opposition To Her Gender Transition
@ sam says: 29 January, 2024 at 8:57 pm
Still banging on about the ICJ when it has only reached an interim conclusion.
Oh Sam, that really is pathetic.
I was responding to Bob above, who found it necessary to break into Rev Stu’s Indy website with a link to his current hobby horse.
Sure, the ICJ wants Israel to minimise innocent casualties.
And no, the ICJ does not think Israel has to cease fighting.
And no, if it’s not a genocide now, and Israel continues minimising innocent casualties, then it won’t be a genocide further down the line either.
Genocide John
**Since you proved to me yesterday that in every war, the stories of innocent deaths are just fabricated propaganda for the consumption of gullible fools, I haven’t been able to think straight.**
You haven’t been able to think straight all year life.
Remember when America was going in to save the poor woman & children of Iraq from barbarism & WMD that was coming right for us & killed up to 1 million in the process & left it in a bigger mess?
Remember when America was going in to save the poor women & children of Afghanistan from the barbarism of the Taliban & then tuck tailed & run leaving them to be slaughtered by the umm, Taliban they were supposed to be eliminating?
You keep falling for the same shite over & over & over again..
Now it’s the Ruskies, the Chinese, the Iranians. We need saving from their barbarism. They’re coming right for us…whaaa whaaaa ….Zzzzz
When do you think the penny will drop that there are no services cause of all the wars?
Scotland doesn’t escape. £65 million from our budget was given to a crack addict to help with further corruption in 404 that was rank to start with. OOps! I meant *The war effort*
That’s just dandy except we didn’t have a say, have no foreign policy & we’re a branch office with pocket money. Why we funding English decisions?
Yet cheerleaders like you wonder why services are shit.
& Btw, English government.
England is in charge.
Not Scotland. Not Wales. Not NI.
So drop the “ant English” bullshit. No one else imposes this shit on us but England.
Back in 2019 I linked Sturgeons UN Q&A on X where an Australian investigative jurno asked Sturgeon about the practice of removing Trans kids as young as seven from their families & taken into care.
She very much doubted that happened & anyway young people know their own mind.
The warnings were there. I was told to shut it. I was a Yoon causing trouble – despite the link to the Q &A session LOL!
They must be running out of kiddies to fiddle so now they’re just inventing charges to replenish stock to either fiddle with or experiment on.
This will bankrupt governments when people wake up from their trippin..
@ Geri says: 29 January, 2024 at 9:02 pm
Thanks for your post.
As always, you give us much to think on.
I am curious about this statement:
the whole world who cheered it on will pay the heavy price when they seek retribution
When you say “the whole world”, do you really meant that?
Can you provide any evidence of countries or people cheering it on? There has certainly been lots of examples of people who believe a one-sided cease fire won’t work – heck, I’m one of them. But that’s not been cheering it on.
Let’s focus on the retribution. Who gets it? Do they have it coming? What can they do to protect themselves against it? Should they be pro-active in stopping this retribution before it arrives?
Just how confident are you that you won’t be on the receiving end of some of this retribution? Retribution is so indiscriminate these days.
As often as not, it’s those who are entirely blameless who catch it – just ask any Manchester Arena survivor.
Haha, look at me – rambling on again. Hope I don’t give you nightmares!
Soz Geri, your posts have once again deteriorated past the point where they can be meaningfully responded to.
I do like to encourage you from time to time, but there are limits.
Logically though, if the tales that the women and kids needed protection from Taliban slaughter were lies, then what can we conclude from your claim that the Taliban went on to slaughter the women and kids?
See when you come up with logic like that, Geri, it just “flies” richt o’er ma heid.
Genocide John
Yes they cheered it on. Sunak, Starmer, the EU, the USA. They waxed lyrical on whether shooting & killing unarmed civilians was a genocide or not. Then they waxed lyrical if turning off water & electricity was really a crime against humanity or not. Then they waxed lyrical it was *both sides*
You may have noticed these eejits couldn’t quite decide but they could deffo decide in condemning Ruskies LOL
Do they have it coming? Let me guess…Hmmm, my entire family has just been killed & a family member needs urgent medical attention – oh fck! There goes the hospital. Oh no!! Someone has turned the light out too! Holy shit – I better go to a designated safe exit *BOOM* …fuck!
The USA & Britnats create Terrorists. Terrorists don’t need an army. They just take the devastation to the cheerleaders soil – see how they like it at home.
What can they do to stop it? Stop funding war. Stop meddling. Abide by international law. Call out injustice & punish it. Put war criminals on trial. Condemn atrocities & sanction.
You really don’t see your world view as the aggressor do you?
You only see everyone coming to get you while you ignore you annoyed the fck out of them first & now roll over to play victim as all bullies do.
Retribution comes in many forms. Turning off I*raeli oil & never ending weapons trade would be a great place to start along with rounding up the war criminals. Not giving idiot *to do* lists.
When an entire region is wiped out – when will it dawn on you thickos that is just the start of the show – not the end of it?
Rev, have you noticed that Aberdeen “Independence” Movement seem to be very active at the moment? The Voices for Independence compilation list had 6 [SIX] entries from them yesterday.
What’s going on? Have they seen the light and are now trying to tell everyone about how the SNP have let us all down? And that women are only adult, human, females? 🙂
Genocide John
The USA wasted $billions to eradicate the Taliban. They were gonnie show ’em!
They got trounced.
Yet another drubbing. (As often is the case. Mouth almighty only seems to ever talk a good game. Results – not so much)
They left with the Taliban still in charge & a load of free weapons – cheers guys! Lol
The Taliban then killed the Afghans the yanks & Brits promised to help.
“We’ll send planes! Cats & Dugs first tho! It’s for chariteeee”
Phew! My wee world feels so much safer now!!
I’m so glad we have American Britnats – world police, making us all safer.
Oh no, now another country needs fixing..A warmongers work is never done eh? Dinnie fash – world police to the rescue.
Some of the posts on here are like Nero’s harp.
“Law enforcement agencies have the potential to retrieve deleted data, including from encrypted chat apps like WhatsApp, by acquiring and searching iPhones.”
“Reputable companies such as Cellebrite in Israel and Grayshift in Atlanta develop forensic tools commonly used as extraction software. These tools scan smartphone databases, including Apple iOS, for residual files. Law enforcement agencies and organizations equipped with Cellebrite’s Physical Analyzer have had access to technology that can retrieve deleted WhatsApp messages from Apple iOS databases for the past two years.”
http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/potential-forensic-tools-recovering-deleted-whatsapp-messages/
Including yours, Mark.
Before the Sturgeon reactor went into meltdown, before it was obvious that she was in league with the Satan, years before, people were warning about the damage she would cause and leave behind. Too many who could have made a difference kept supporting her.
She was the political equivalent of Chernobyl and has left Scottish politics a radioactive wasteland.
Nero’s harp? Lol. What difference does it make?
I fully understand the differences between Unionist & Independence supporters.
What I don’t understand is why the two groups posting here are so at odds.
The two groups I am referring to are Ellis, Chas & Main & everyone else.
What are Ellis, Chas & Mains problems with those they refer to as the usual suspects, fringe nutters moon howlers etc etc.
It’s as if they really hate everybody.
What is their problem. What has everyone done to upset them.
“the most vicious, dangerous and resourceful criminal mind of the last decade”
A description given to Kate Barker AKA Ma Barke
Seek sanctuary in a Scottish Embassy. Rapists, paedophiles,deviants, gangster’s, missing persons. Come to Scotland ya all welcome at Uncles Humza,s Bazzar.
Ruby
At a guess? Not bowed & scraped & told them how wonderful they are & agreed with their every point of view.
That’s usually what sends narcissists tonto isn’t it? The crowd isn’t giving them their full attention so they’ll stamp feet, belittle & name call & hope that gets everyone’s attention & a response.
Poor Chas is always bored & always telling the group just how bored they really are. Someone has a hold of their knicker elastic & not letting them leave.
Ellis – at a guess his ASS ego & others have all been banned so he’s back with the one remaining thinking no one will notice. Sshhhh!
Genocide John is here for the body count while wondering when we can start on Ruskies, China & Iran. Also wondering why he’s no money & why there are immigrants. Three gubbings in 20 yrs isn’t enough. The UK can *show him some money* when millions are given to Lord Halfwit of Mordorshire to hold *a full enquiry* of why a big mouth wasn’t exactly a plan.
DasBlimp is English & lost his way to the Daily Fail..
Be patient, Ruby, I’ve put Ellis and Main on a depatterning program (“psychic driving”) and I believe we are starting to see results. The goal is to erase their identities and rebuild from scratch.
I was originally intending to transform them into considerate, conscientious, human beings, but I think that was possibly too ambitious; it believe they’re too far gone and we may need to settle for garden-variety assholes.
lol @ “Also wondering why he’s no money & why there are immigrants…”
I actually suspect Main is some sort of genius marketing guy that works for Humza.
Worked on me — I never liked Humza until I started reading Main’s comments.
While unionists have been fapping over Sturgeon, Dumbza, a diddly branch office, WhatsApp messages, forensic tents, teabags & burner phones..
The UK government has quietly pushed through extensive new laws & restrictions.
Priorities eh?
Those *true patriots* that handed their country to foreign oligarchs & a foreign media (while also brexiting with a straight face cause of foreigners) – telling indy supporters where we’re going wrong with an admin office & basically calling for one of their own to be burned at the stake cause of whatsApp.
Call in the FBI..
Hatuey
Me too lol!
It immediately makes you look at his opponents & who he’s up against & instantly puts him in a new light & to cut him some slack.
On a serious note tho – he had the opportunity to defy Sturgeon & call her bluff after being elected – he missed a sitter there. Now he’ll be recorded as the one that finally killed the SNP stone deid.
I wake up every morning knowing there’s another nail in the gangsta bitch coffin.
He who is without sin, casts the fist stone.
Saint Nic was quick to judge Alex Salmond. Wasn’t she? Unfortunately for the former Queen Nicola…
Her approval rating has dropped 37 points. Hahaha. Excellent.
Sturgeon now sits at – minus 19 points.
Isn’t it cold down Nicola? Cold in hell?
She repeated her demented smears and innuendos about an innocent man.
Salmond, was no saint he said but he’s was a good man. That was his words.
And now the Scottish public can judge you for the monster that you are chief mammy. We know what you’ve done.
You judged us during covid 19. You locked us away. And now we are coming to lock you away, you twisted evil fiend.
Hand over the messages Sturgeon.
He who is without sin, casts the fist stone.
If only you hadn’t been a Judas. Sturgeon the Judas. The Betrayer.
You read what you sow. Someone should tell Nicola Sturgeon to read the bible. She’ll be swearing on oath on it soon.
In our majority white Christian country.
Will you tell the truth? The whole truth, and nothing but the truth Nicola?
Or will we have to ask MI5 to retrieve the whatsapp messages for us?
How do you plead Nicola – 19, minus 19 disapproval rating Sturgeon?
Remember Alex Salmond’s words Nicola.
“History won’t be kind” to you Nicola. And ” Scotland will never forgive you.” (SNP).
Through the book at her boys. And every one of her ilk. Including Dorothy Stain of the Clown office of Clowns.
@ Geri says: 30 January, 2024 at 1:28 am
they’ll stamp feet, belittle & name call
Ah Geri, that raised a wee smile first thing of a January morning.
Keep putting in the night shift if you can consistently deliver this kind of pure comedy gold.
I hear the girls in Corton Vale are calling her, Lady Covid – minus 19.
Isn’t that right Saint Nic? Now turned sinner?
It’s a sin.
As President of the ‘convenient forgetfulness society’ I look forward to our blessed patron Saint, Nicola’s appearance at the Covid Whitewash on Wednesday……or is it Thursday or……what enquiry?…..I can’t actually recall.
Innarestin article on Unherd this morning:
https://unherd.com/2024/01/should-nations-have-a-right-to-conquest/
It’s about looking at this complicated colonialism thingy from a historical perspective. And yes, it does mention the current ME conflict. Here’s a wee quote:
“We need to recognise the difference between people reclaiming land that they personally lived on, and land that their grandparents lived on, now inhabited by grandchildren of the people they accuse of having dispossessed them. Even in the space of less than a generation, at some point it may make sense for contending parties to reach an agreement in which compensation takes a non-territorial form. An insistence on justice should not condemn us to conflict without end.”
Easy to say, perhaps, when as the author freely admits, he’s writing from a location that used to belong to another ethnic group.
But that’s probably true of most Scots in Scotland this morning too. Anybody know any Picts? Naw, me neither.
If the SNP has deleted digital data it was meant to retain for records purposes, and such material was also evidence in potential criminal prosecutions, then presumably all those deliberately responsible for ignoring these professional parameters will soon be facing charges of perverting the course of justice.
It might take Police Scotland’s Operation Treebeard a decade or two to get around to it, but surely arrests must follow.
Now that the truly laughable idea of conscription is being floated ( Jemima Bull v The Bear = Stenhousemuir v Barcelona )….. I’m confident the Hinge & Bracket ( Dr Evadne Ellis n Dame Hilda Main ) ” de nos jours ” will be first in line to sign-up ; seeing as they’re so keen in inciting the death of others , elsewhere : or , if that comedy duo are – safely – past fighting age ( hence the homicidal gung-ho ) they’ll happily send their children to be slaughtered in some foreign field in defence of England’s * greatness * and the privilege of being shat-on continuously by their superiors for another 300+ years .
Go on , Evadne & Hilda , lead by example ; take terminally boring bozo Ch’ass with you , he ain’t no ” War Horse ” , but donkeys can be useful , he could carry your packed lunches , feather pillows , hand sanitiser , moisturiser , and – most essentially , mirrors .
You’ll probably be exhausted by the time you’ve * yomped * as far as Lesmahagow , so I recommend you book a B n B well in advance . One with a stable ; for Ch’ass
@Robert Hughes 8.24am
The trouble with having a caricature-ish world view is that you tend to assume everything for neatly in to your simplistic view of life, or looked at more charitably your lumbering attempts at humour have all the finesse of a jackhammer.
I doubt the armed forces would have much use for someone of my post free bus pass vintage, although if they’re thinking about conscription at that level, things would presumably have gone pretty pear shaped in general. The military effectiveness of Dad’s Army or latter day Volkssturm isn’t likely to be that great.
Like so many of the usual suspects however, all you have is an intellectual hammer, so every problem looks like a nail to you.
Interesting that your first reach in discussion of the ridiculous calls for conscription is not to address the issues, but to straw man people you disagree with or dislike.
In fact I agree that conscription is a daft idea, about as daft as the rest of your post. No great surprise there then.
John Main @ 7:45 am
“It’s about looking at this complicated colonialism thingy from a historical perspective.”
Colonialism may be obscured by an oppressor/culture, but it is not so complicated.
Colonialism for an oppressed people begins at the time of their occupation, 1707 in our case. People are driven out of their homeland one way or another, some 3-4 million Scots since the mankit violated treaty; and, lacking sovereignty, the people aye remain subject to population displacement.
Which explains why the only remedy for colonialism is for ‘a people’ to reclaim their sovereignty, and to tell the usurper whaur tae gae.
https://salvo-cor.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/THEORETICAL+CASE+FOR+SCOTTISH+INDEPENDENCE.pdf
@ Robert Hughes says: 30 January, 2024 at 8:24 am
Andy Ellis effectively dealt with your brainfart, Bob, but I would like to add one further point for consideration.
In the event it does come to boots on the ground and blood spattered trenches, our immigrant populations will be doing the brunt of the sacrificing, mostly because they are increasingly doing the brunt of the breeding.
Once that is over, they will (rightly) regard what’s left on these islands as theirs, having made the ultimate sacrifice for “their wee bit hill, glen and inner city dumping ground”.
There’s a million historical precedents showing us the ultimate fates of societies and peoples who thought that defending what they had was strictly for eejits, and openly scoffed as they watched others accept the challenge of doing the defending on their behalf.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/#comment-2820695
Ding! Ding!
Usual suspects!
Intellectual hammer. WTF? That’s a new one!
That’s ‘Usual Suspect Robert Hughes’ being told that not every problem is a nail that he should attack with his intellectual hammer.
If I had a hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this land
I’d hammer out danger
I’d hammer out a warning
I’d hammer about the love between my brothers and my sisters
All, all over this land
Hateuy
29/1 8.11
Apologies for not responding to your post last night.
I was too busy reading up on the two year old conflict between China and Taiwan which you confidently predicted, umpteen times, late 2022. Information on it is somewhat difficult to find!
A wise man once said ‘A little knowledge is a dangerous thing’. No need for you to worry. You do not appear to have any knowledge whatsoever.
@ Alf Baird says: 30 January, 2024 at 9:13 am
I disagree. Pragmatically, it’s complicated.
Take the 3-4 million displaced Scots you mention. Every one a colonist of wherever they were displaced to.
I’m guessing you don’t seriously expect that their descendants, umpty millions of them, should be telt whaur tae gae, which would either be into the sea somewhere, or back to Scotland.
But, if that’s really what you think, please outline your plans. Include provision for all of English descent to be forced south across the border, etc etc. Mind to plan for tit-for-tat expulsions from down south.
Use the Greek and Turkish population swaps of the first half of the twentieth century as an example. I believe that is widely acknowledged as having beggared both countries for a generation, and left a hostile legacy retained to this day.
But, it’s not all bad news. As a means of ridding us of oor ain wee pretendy FM, the idea may gain some limited traction.
But as I said, I don’t really think that’s what you intend. And thus I think mention of the 3-4 million displaced Scots is irrelevant.
Humpty ‘totally cracked’ Dumpty has some new ideas about the ‘complicated colonialism thingy’ he’s been reading innarestin articles again.
What would he do if there were no innarestin’ articles for him to plagiarise. He might have to form his own thoughts.
He reckons Muslims will be happy to go off to the Middle East to kill other Muslims all so they can claim Scotland as theirs.
Totally cracked!
He parroted that ‘Andy Parrot is a very clever boy! Clever Boy! Clever Boy!
Andy Parrot!
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
Andy Parrot is always a very clever boy according to Wee Johnny Parrot.
Spam & Mince! Spam & Mince! Spam & Mince!
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820712
Ding! Ding!
Humza’s Fraudulent Erection
He’s read an ‘innarestin’ article and now he’s got some ideas.
Why is conscription a daft idea?
‘We’ve got no jobs to give you here
So we are sending you to the Middle East’
What happens to the folk who can’t find a job and are looking to be paid unemployment benefit?
What about the UK taking a tip from Biden and offering to make a ‘woman’ of those willing to fight for ‘their country’?
How well would conscription go down amongst the voters.
Humpty’s idea: Send all the immigrants to fight for ‘their/our’ country. Vote winner in England. yes/no
Send all the Scots to fight for England, they make good soldiers. Vote winner in Scotland? Aye/Nae
OK lets hear your ideas (yours not something you have read just this mornin in an innarestin article)
Chas: “Apologies for not responding to your post last night.”
It’s okay, honestly. After a couple of hours, I realised you weren’t coming and decided to do my intellectual nails.
Robert Hughes;
Oh, dear – I fear your ‘Hinge & Bracket’ post hit a nerve! (lol)
All 3 on shift this morning, nodding dogs all in agreement with each other nae doot. (I no longer read their BS).
Link for live Covid Inquiry coverage.
Kate Forbes doing her thing right now. Big Honest John is up later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb688uzWfpM
https://wingsoverscotland.com/full-transparency/comment-page-1/#comment-2820711
Chas reporting for duty to tell ‘Usual Suspect Hateuy’ that he has no knowledge whatsoever. Basically he’s saying ‘Usual Suspect Hateuy’ is dumb just like everyone else on here except Ellis Chas & Main.
These three are the ‘Brains of Britain’
British brains for British jobs.
These three are Better Together. A match made in heaven!
Hey Chas are we still all part of your ‘Bonnie Purple Heather Brigade’?
PS. I’d rather be nutter than a cunt.
Oh yes I would.
It’s weird that even The National is not covering Forbes evidence at the Covid Inquiry.
That’s my good deed done for today. The ‘Three Cunts’ have been given some attention so not to move on to what is going on in Scotland.
https://archive.is/cxzm2
He says
Don’t forget, the SNP mission is to destroy the United Kingdom, levelling-up secretary tells Covid inquiry in Scotland
“Some of the language used, the desire to have ‘a good old-fashioned rammy with the UK government’, and some of the other language used, which I shan’t repeat now, does lead me to believe that at that point, there was a desire to pursue differentiation for the sake of advancing a political agenda.
I wouldn’t worry Michael it’s all talk and no action.
Well sure it’s to ‘advance a political agenda’ but that has nothing to do with Independence or as you call it destroying the UK.
How dare you! I am not English I am a citizen of a free and independent Mercia. Sign up and join me in the struggle to cast off the yoke of our Norman oppressors and colonialists!
https://independentmercia.org/
Ian Brotherhood @ 10.43.
Thanks for link IB.
That one is getting old Blimp Boy!
Never mind your worn out old jokes get back to your day job.
I’ve made loads of typos and spelling errors.
The ‘usual suspects’ & ‘fringe nutters’ are usually clever enough to figure them out but I’m not sure about your three pals.
Get a wiggle on fatso!
PS Have you spoken to Turabdin I believe he’s a citizen of Mesopotamia and is fighting for independence for Mesopotamia.
You could maybe compare notes.
How many of the ‘Mustn’t grumble Brigade’ have registered on your website.
I’d rather be a hammer than a nail
Yes, I would,
If I only could.
I’d rather be a nutter than a cunt
Yes I would…
Today is the anniversary of the day when Bernadette Devlin walked across the aisle in the House of Commons and struck Reggie
Maudling for lying about the Sh00ting of innocent people. Exemplary behaviour.
The Three Cunts is a Western film about three assholes who get mistaken for heroes in a tiny omelette in Scotland. Not to be confused with Local hero
Just testing
My reply to James, Hatuey & Iain disappeared.
Mr Toad is an odious cretin
“Some of the language used, the desire to have ‘a good old-fashioned rammy with the UK government’, and some of the other language used, which I shan’t repeat now, does lead me to believe that at that point, there was a desire to pursue differentiation for the sake of advancing a political agenda.”
Show the Dunkirk spirit
Take it on the chin
Herd immunity
It’s just the Flu
Eat out to help out
Do I have to attend COBRA?
I was just out driving to test my eyesight
I didn’t know a party was a party
Anyone have a holiday home going spare? I feel a self isolation period coming on..
Don’t give PPE to the Scots..
I seem to recall Sturgeon didn’t deviate until Wales told BoJo to fck off & then she got some bottle.
She was certainly no leader. She followed along like a puppy instead of closing Scotland & telling the Royals t get tae fck..
I’ll try this
Mornin James
You should read them they are priceless!
Mornin Hatuey
It’s them sort of nails he’s talkin’ about.
Sometimes it takes a hammer to get them off.
I’ve had nails with stars, glitter and even Christmas trees but I haven’t had the intellectual nails yet. Maybe next time I can have a PHD on my nails.
Hi Iain
Thanks for the link.
Katie Forbes now that should be interesting.
There is no way she will tell lies or have have done anything devious.
Are these available to watch after the event?
John Main @ 9:55 am
“left a hostile legacy retained to this day”
This is why a colonised people ‘will never be at peace’ so long as colonialism continues. And no matter whether Scots, Irish, Welsh, Ukrainian, Kurds, Palestinians, American Indian, aborigine Australian, Polynesian etc. Why do you think there is an independence/liberation movement in Scotland and elsewhere? It is because the people ‘are not at peace’.
Indigenous peoples have rights, including the right of self-determination, right to their languages, their own culture, their own resources etc, all of which are deprived them under colonial oppression – hence they are ‘never at peace’. The right to self-determination is about bringing peace and respect to nations, and putting an end to imperial rule and the exploitation of peoples. Scotland isnae ony different.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/indigenous-peoples/un-declaration-rights-indigenous-peoples
John Main: “There’s a million historical precedents showing us the ultimate fates of societies and peoples who thought that defending what they had was strictly for eejits, and openly scoffed as they watched others accept the challenge of doing the defending on their behalf.”
What the fuck? What?
A million historical precedents of what?
Can you point to one, just so we know wtf you are talking about?
Yes, good morning, Ruby. I see you are busy keeping the rabble in line for us. Well done. They seem to be on some sort of war footing.
I can’t stop laughing at the intellectual hammers… absolutely fucking crackers.
Though not an enormous fan of Ms Forbes, thus far in her evidence to the inquiry she looks like a white line drawn down a black board in comparison to the previous, shifty no marks.
And Mr Swiney coming this afternoon will only make her openness and honesty even more apparent I’m sure.
With regard to being dragged into unjust land/resource/power grabs and regime changes which the populations of Western nations were in no way in favour of let us remember that prior to being a senior member of the New Labour government Alastair Campbell was employed by one Robert Maxwell, that name an alias, and was also familiar with his daughter and her friend Jeffrey.
It’s so good I thought it deserved to be posted at least twice.
Hi Sam
I haven’t seen that film but I’ve heard the song about the ‘Three cunts that sat upon a wa’
‘The first cunt was greetin for his maw’
and that was long before they even got anywhere near the B&B in Lesmahagow.
ALF BAIRD.
The UN-DRIP is another document from that organization that is more noise than substance. As a member of an endangered human species, which is what all that verbiage is about, the NY based UN has shown little concern for a case that dates from the time of the League of Nations. So unlike the rather fake palestinian ethnicity, they are levantine Arabs in reality, we are not new players in this colonialist game of shadows and mirrors.
We have decades of experience of «international concern».
Documents like DRIP are open to broad interpretation, depending on the translation.
There were four states against the declaration, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & USA. Eventually they signed the declaration, rather odd, what version did they sign and what interpretation did they put on it? All 4 of those states have a dark history in the matter.
The contemporary UN is more concerned with woke topics than ethno-cultural ones.
I fancy that was why the Sturgeon SNP went down that route, more scope for non entities to flourish.
However, I do wish you the very best in your endeavours.
Conscription is an excellent idea, and the last thing that the East India Company or whatever they are called now want.
Conscription (or maybe a better term is National Service or something else less press-gangy) is central to a self-sufficient (in basic essentials) country. But that is not the well trained, disposable, often immigrant or child-care-system fighters the corporations have been using since Vietnam, whose future is often a sleeping bag, dog and bowl in a dead Centre or a merc somewhere totally lawless. The citizens would be a lot more choosy about what they got involved in.
Ruby says:
“Go on , Evadne & Hilda , lead by example ; take terminally boring bozo Ch’ass with you , he ain’t no ” War Horse ” , but donkeys can be useful ”
Can I remind Ruby that ‘donkeys’ tend to become generals in the Brit army!
Scottish lions should steer clear.
I am seriously starting to wish that the repetitive posters forever declaiming they are going to stop reading, scroll on by, mark with an ‘X’, etc. would just fecking well do that.
Looking at this morning’s collective contributions from the behaviourably challenged, it’s hard to see anything positive whatsoever in it, either about Scotland, or for Scotland.
Something else I am seriously starting to consider. Given Hattrick’s admitting of my considerable power and influence on here (my dissing of Dumza is making him start to support Dumza), I’m wondering if I should utilise this influence to move the narrative in my preferred direction.
Come over all pro-Hamas for example. Or call for further tartan taxation, with more generous spaffing of the dosh to Dumza’s pet causes and extended family relocation projects.
This ploy could be remarkably effective when dealing with people incapable of independent thought, and roiling with resentful hatred. Not naming any names right now.
But enough musing. I note JohnLMAO is MIA since Sunday. And the Kincraig monkey is still at large, with the Beeb reporting it was running from a fight.
As RoS has proved many times, anything the Beeb reports about Scotland is a tissue of lies.
But it’s still the kind of innarestin story that makes you think.
one of the reasons you can’t read about anything important – politics, economics, history – from an englishman is the “anglo reality distortion field” which applies the anglos narcissistic biases to whatever is being discussed, sometimes to the point of omissions … simple solution, read widely; even americans (who have their own blind spots) don’t think like englishmen and can provide a clear perspective on many things. E.g. I am reading BLOOMBERG NEWS – what is on the go
NORWAY’S SOVEREIGN WEALTH fund has “underperformed” – it only made a 16% profit, about 213B USD (3x the Scottish budget) – so hard times for the vikings and thank fuck we have those city boys looking after our cash for us, the wise, but fair, pimp hand of the anglo. This was the first time in 5 years it had failed to make its own benchmark and obviously refutes the case for independence. The UK never missed a benchmark, because it has none, because it has no fund; clever.
BLACKSTONE is building a 25B USD chain of power hungry data “centers”; you should really build these places where there is – cheap leccy, colder temperatures and a lot of water – that is most efficient. Where can such places be found? I wonder if the DTI is running about doing a “come to Scotland” pitch? No I don’t – of course it isn’t – anything outside the golden triangle doesn’t matter.
MORE UK COMPANIES ARE GOING BUST THAN ANY TIME IN 30 YEARS. The number of companies going bust in the UK jumped to the highest level in 30 years as businesses were hit by a combination of high borrowing costs, surging inflation and weakening consumer demand. Did not hear about this on the BBC. An oversight, obviously. The tories always sold themselves as being “economically competent” i.e. “you might like labour, but they can’t run the shop”. The tories can’t run the shop either, they never could – they are only skilled at filling their pockets and their friends.
THE UK ESTIMATED ITS POPULATION WILL BALLOON BY 9.9% IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS, according to the Office for National Statistics (mainly driven by migration). Let that sink in – 10% in 15 years?! That is a lot. And all the parties, are all for it. But – automation and AI will lead to a loss of demand for huge labour sectors, and there is no demand for the migrants; what is going on? It looks designed to destroy the welfare state, the NHS, and also destroy the middle class too – we will all be equal at the bottom, with nothing. I would have thought the Mail, brexit boys, farage, tice – all that gang would be going apeshit about this … but no, silence, it is all just play acting for the voters. It does not worry me – it looks like the english have decided to kill england (popcorn time), but maybe they think they can all escape to Scotland, which is a problem. But “more people = growth”, right, and growth is good.
The great Burns line “gift tae gie us – to see ourselves as other see us” – that could never have been written by an englishman, it could never be conceived. If you want an insight into how the empire was run, and by whom, read the american, Quigley on “the anglo american establishment” which gives a clear line on their thinking last century – the anglo saxons are the master race and we are going for an entire world empire, federally structured, but under us (liebensraum? manifest destiny? world revolution? pah!) … and this is the same idea the americans took up after ww2 when they became top dogs; the “milner/rhodes” crowd created the entire western foreign policy establishment including things like chatham house, which tried to brainwash us all over covid; their legacy is current, and we are all, alas, forced to live in “the past”, the bad ideas of dead men, which never die, keep infecting us all.
TURABDIN @ 1:02 pm
“The UN-DRIP is another document from that organization that is more noise than substance.”
Yes, I appreciate that the UN, whilst so heavily influenced by dominant powers, has proven itself thus far to be not quite up to its intended task of ending Imperial exploitation. However, there is some indication of progress, not least in the ICJ decision last week re Palestine.
Once the Imperial wall starts to fall many more peoples may become free – at least four in the UK alone. Our nations remain the only ‘bulwarks’ against Imperialism (Edward Said).
It’s funny how the Dad’s Army brigade on here are always worrying about what others might think if they read comments on here.
I can’t think of anything more shameful, embarrassing, and dishonest than giving visitors the impression that Scottish people are in favour of massacring Palestinians, bombing everybody, and funding Nazis in Eastern Europe.
Can you imagine taking this message to the doorsteps? “Yes, yes, you’re freezing and starving but we are spending a fortune making life miserable for a lot of people right now and you’ll just need to deal with it… and if we get independence, you’ll be dealing with it then too….”
I’m not sure about the reasons why, but Scottish people are better than that, more considerate, conscientious, and sympathetic. They say we are “left-leaning” but I don’t think that quite sums it up; it’s deeper than that, deeper and more fundamental than politics.
Garavelli Princip
It was Robert who wrote that brilliant line.
But no worries if you want to attribute that whole post to me.
I would be very proud to have written that post. It’s fuckin’ brilliant!
I’m amazed that Prof Windbag read it. I thought he only checked the homework of his ‘pets’ and gave them all top marks and gold stars.
Ruby
Ignored says:
30 January, 2024 at 1:55 pm
Garavelli Princip
“It was Robert who wrote that brilliant line”.
Sorry, I need to be more careful.
My apologies to Robert.
John Main
Ignored
says:
30 January, 2024 at 1:20 pm
I am seriously starting to wish that the repetitive posters forever declaiming they are going to stop reading, scroll on by, mark with an ‘X’, etc. would just fecking well do that.
I bet you do pal! No sorry I’ve got my beady eye on you.
Cunt!
@ Hatuey says: 30 January, 2024 at 1:55 pm
Scottish people are better than that, more considerate, conscientious, and sympathetic
Ah ken Hattrick.
And you can confirm it by logging on here each morning, and perusing the previous night’s posts, from around the time the boozers shut!
Another gem from “left leaning” Hattrick.
BTW, that might be due to an outsized chip on one shoulder, or maybes just the afore-mentioned boozer.
We need you hale and hearty for your foray into politics, Hattrick. Get yersel checked oot. I said earlier it’s open to anybody, but you do probably need to be able to walk in a straight line!
I bet you do pal! No sorry I’ve got my beady eye on you.
Cunt!
@Johm Main
“..behaviourably challenged..”
Spelling challenged.
Ruby’s got both eyes on you.
I’d rather be a nutter…
I think Humza will need The River City set to do his canvassing in soon. The real streets won’t be safe! After this and what else to come? It isn’t gonna be “comfortable” for the SNP/Green boys/girls/experiments. They will reap what they have sewn.
Begbies Trainor report says 47,000 UK businesses are at risk of collapse
The construction and property sectors, among others, bear the brunt of the crisis. Urgent measures are necessary to alleviate the burden of debt and foster an environment conducive to business survival and growth.
It’s all over now, baby Blue
frae finbold
“In an era where financial institutions are expected to uphold the highest standards of transparency and ethical conduct, the United Kingdom’s banking sector continues to face increased regulatory scrutiny. In this line, over the past twelve months, UK banks have been hit with unprecedented regulatory fines, with cumulative penalties reaching staggering proportions.
According to data acquired by Finbold, UK banks incurred fines totaling $222.16 million (£178 million) between June 2022 and June 2023, spanning 12 months. Among these fines, Santander UK accounted for the largest portion, with $133.73 million, representing approximately 60% of the cumulative penalties.”
Banks have been fined some £53 billion (FT) since 2000 for misconduct going back to the 1990s.
Banks should be public utilities, not private looters of public assets.
“No council is immune to the risk of running into financial difficulty. As our worrying survey shows, many now face the prospect of being unable to meet their legal duty to set a balanced budget and having Section 114 reports issued,” said LGA chair Shaun Davies.
One in five English Council is in financial trouble This is the “top-ish” estimate. So it could be more.
More cuts to English public services = more shit for Scotland.
ALF BAIRD @1:46pm
The so called modern world has been shaped by imperialism and colonialism in one guise or another. The toxic refuse from both is piled up planet wide. Every continent is now physically, culturally and ethnically subject to drift and change in the tectonic structure, borders are proving quite threadbare.
The once unchallengeable sociopolitical structures are under strain, hence the current militaristic paranoia. The strong are being proved to be not so strong and subversive nomadism is on the rise. I am part of the latter.
Will WWIII reset, a voguish term, the order of things or just bury us all, quha kens?
You are totally right about colonialism, until there is a «correction» the big bullies will continue to dictate the rules, the terms, the order of existence.
The Scottish situation which has strong indicators of self imposed internal colonialism via the agencies of the Unionist establishment is a particular but not exceptional problem and one which I suspect will not yield to orthodox method as exemplified in the current congealed party political system of the British state.
Some things just cannot be shifted without major effort. As usual weaknesses are opportunities to those with the skill to spot them.
Best wishes.
I knew there was something not quite right about the Paul Simon song. This is the one I was thinking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMXpQNTNVkU
Try it and see. You’ll have to be fast when you sing ‘fringe nutter’
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
Fringy fringy nutter Nutty nutty fringer
Fringy fringy nutter nutty cuuuuuuuunt.
Singing ‘aye, aye, yippee, yippee aye!’
Singing ‘aye, aye, yippee, yippee aye!’
Singing ‘aye, aye, yippee, aye, aye, yippee!’
Aye, aye, yippee, yippee aye
Might need some work. Can you help?
Yes. Step away from the bottle.
Alternatively,
You could try smashing ‘fringe nutter’ into ‘frutter’. It scans better that way.
You’re welcome.
Hatuey @ 1:55 pm
“They say we are “left-leaning” but I don’t think that quite sums it up; it’s deeper than that, deeper and more fundamental than politics.”
Yes, independence has little to do with political ideologies of Left or Right, of capitalism versus socialism, or whatever else. This is where people on the Left and even oor ain daeless national parties get awfu confused aboot the purpose of independence.
As Frantz Fanon explained:
“For us who have decided to break the back of colonialism….the problem is felt to be fundamental, (that is) the legitimacy of the claims of a nation. (However) It must be recognized that the political party which mobilizes the people hardly touches on this problem of legitimacy.”
On the more ‘deeper’ matter in question, this relates to ‘national culture’. Fanon reminds us that independence is primarily ‘a fight for a national culture’ and that:
“…culture is first the expression of a nation. In the colonial situation, culture, which is doubly deprived of the support of the nation and the state, falls away and dies. The condition for its existence is therefore national liberation and the renaissance of the state.”
Yes yes yes but what about Ruby’s particular problem with her
‘frutter’ song? It’s alright you banging on about Fanon and colonialism but it doesn’t help Ruby does it .. and she’s one of your ain. Have some allegiance man.
Genocide John
**And you can confirm it by logging on here each morning, and perusing the previous night’s posts, from around the time the boozers shut!**
Dame Hilda Main, I’m on puppy patrol, SIR!
I’m manning the barricades, SIR!
You should see the shiii.. SIR!
What time is lights out, SIR?!
Get you. Wanna be milk monitor. Shall yer beloved Tories have the whole internet shut down by 8pm & join Moggy in the parlour for bible study?
Confused – highest rate of businesses going bust in Poland too & conscription notices issued. All the news is found outside the UK.
Ellis & Main will be delighted to know old duffers don’t get a pass. They’ll be digging the graves & picking fruit. Work will set them free.. about time. Where do they think they’re going with their free bus pass? Down the legion war room for dominos & a half pint? Pffft!
dasBlimp @ 4:10 pm
“It’s alright you banging on about Fanon and colonialism but it doesn’t help Ruby does it .. and she’s one of your ain. Have some allegiance man.”
A wad say Ruby, Geri etc an masel are in cultural solidarity; its yersel an ithers like ye wha hiv the colonizer’s cultur, an view a’thing aboot Scots as subordinate.
Your posts make about as much sense as Ruby and Geri’s. I’ll give you that.
Alf: “independence has little to do with political ideologies of Left or Right, of capitalism versus socialism, or whatever else…”
I said last week that colonialism is a state of war against the colonised — I think Turbadin dismissed me as a “pedant” — even where there are no obvious weapons, bullets, bombs, etc.
Some people might not want to acknowledge it, fear goes hand in hand with these things, but the UK Union amounts to a war against Scotland and the Scottish population. The Unionist argument, in that sense, is that the war is over and we lost; but kowtowing only confirms the power dynamics that are in play, it doesn’t change or remove them.
Being so servile that our master has no need for his whip, after all, doesn’t mean we are not his slaves.
And it’s a brutal and violent war, one that comes with all the regular trimmings; destroyed communities, low life expectancy, drug and alcohol abuse, impoverishment, hopelessness, not to mention a constant flow of people wanting to get out, like refugees, and a million other problems.
Independence is more important than politics, I agree, but, above all else, it’s a fight for peace.
@ Ruby says: 30 January, 2024 at 2:23 pm
I’ve got my beady eye on you
Ah c’mon now Ted.
Fa’s cryin ye hae beady een?
Ah widnae dare!
@ Alf Baird says: 30 January, 2024 at 4:32 pm
There’s a big difference between finding some of the regulars on here to be frankly a disgrace and an embarrassment to our nation and country, and viewing “a’thing aboot Scots as subordinate”.
You’re an educated man. You know the differences between those who are themselves uneducated, those who recognise their lack of education and wish to learn, and those who just want to revel in mockery and insult at anything they don’t understand.
The latter have no place in Scotland’s journey, wherever that may take us.
In some ways you remind me of the intelligentsia who cosied up to the Bolsheviks in pre-revolutionary Russia. They thought they could ride the tiger, and still be calling the shots once the new government was in place.
What actually happened was that their learning and soft hands got them a death sentence.
HATUEY
Empires and there modern equivalent «spheres of influence» have gone to war in order to preserve the peace also civilized values, their particular notion of both.
I was born in december 2003 in Bagdad….i know something of peace, values, civilization….Made in USA.
My theoretical physics studies give me more «peace».
Sorry about the pedant thing. 🙂
@ Hatuey says: 30 January, 2024 at 4:53 pm
You’re not going to like this, Hats, but bear with me. As I read your post, I could hear the “Battle Hymn Of The Republic” swelling to a mighty crescendo in ma heid.
The needle did jump a couple of times though:
doesn’t mean we are not his slaves
Slavery is illegal, Hats, on both sides of the border. If you truly believe you’ve been enslaved, call 999. The polis will have you sprung within hours.
it’s a fight for peace
Ah, the best kind. Nothing like shouting “I’m doing this for peace” as you stamp on somebody’s face. Finally, something we can agree on. Let’s draw up lists and see if there’s any matches.
Back to the hymn now:
“Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!” All together now from the top!
I was in Baghdad in 1985. That means I was in Baghdad when you was in your dad’s bag. Boom! Boom!
@ TURABDIN says: 30 January, 2024 at 3:38 pm
I believe that if a majority of Scots voters want the breakup of the UK, then they will vote for a political party that will bring about that result.
It really is not rocket science. In politics, the impossible remains impossible until it becomes inevitable.
No doubt I will be shouted down in a minute because it didn’t happen in 2014. It didn’t happen because the Referendum was lost. There hasn’t been another one since because everybody in the know understands there is still no majority in support.
That really is not rocket science either.
If a consistent, clear, unambiguous majority for Indy ever develops in Scotland, then politicians will emerge to lead it. That’s always how it is in any mature democracy.
Short of WM declaring martial law and suspending all elections, it’s just not possible to stop convinced, dedicated Indy supporters from forming themselves into a party, organising their policies, and standing for election. It’s just not possible to stop any of today’s existing, elected politicians from stating they will treat the next elections as plebiscites and putting that to the Scottish people.
Heck, there’s a perfect opportunity coming up this very year.
All the huffing and puffing on here is just a way of avoiding the ghastly truth that dare not speak its name – right now, the support for Indy isn’t there.
Cue primary school playground pelters.
You’re an educated man. You know the differences between those who are themselves uneducated, those who recognise their lack of education and wish to learn, and those who just want to revel in mockery and insult at anything they don’t understand.
What does that all mean? What does it mean to be educated?
What is the difference between being educated and brain washed?
I would say to be able to ‘revel in mockery & insult’ you would need to be quite creative.
ie To be able to see that the sky can be green & the grass can be blue.
If you are too brain washed aka educated that possibility would never enter your over educated brain.
The big danger of being too ‘brain washed’ is you might not be able to laugh at yourself believing that you are a very clever boy. You’ve got certificates to prove it. You can even upload them to the internet for all to see.
You are a very clever boy and everyone else is stupid.
OK you might be able to recite the Burns poem and explain it’s meaning to the ‘uneducated’ but God help someone who presents you with that gift through ‘mockery & insult’
“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
Time for you to learn to laugh at yourself.
Like the transwoman being misgendered you get upset when given that gift.
Why are you always so keen to prove the uneducated are stupid.
I can’t even be bothered looking over what I’ve just written.
THE BTL editors will be along in a jiffy to correct it.
“When the student is ready the teacher will appear.’
I was ready and Alf appeared.
When the student is truly ready… The teacher will Disappear.”
That’s is quite funny Blimp Boy.
Sometimes your jokes are a hit other times total tumbleweed.
Thank for attempting to help with my song.
Sorry that’s another
‘Get aff yer rubbish’ from me.
Keep trying!
Hurry up with the editing.
@Turabdin
The issue for those raging against the current world order of course is that the alternative just isn’t that attractive, because it isn’t the kind of “lets all sit around, have a group hug, sing kumbaya, and solve the world’s problems” kind of deal. The most likely alternative to the current set up of course is a system dominated by authoritarian regimes like China, Russia and Iran.
We’ve seen their notions of peace and civilized values too. Folk aren’t clamouring to move to these countries, or adopt their systems.
I wonder how folk think some form of new world order will be set up, who will police it, pay for it and enforce the directives the new leadership decides upon?
I tend to agree with those who think the UN is a busted flush, but if we want an international organisation that makes a difference, what are the implications for all of us, and more particularly for a newly independent Scotland of the future? Do we participate, or stand aloof?
When I try to access Stu’s twitter or X I am getting a clock error, your clock is ahead WTF, has anyone found a way to access twitter comments as in the old days without having to join
C’mon Ruby help me out point out a workaround purleese
Have you checked your clock? No idea what that is about.
I know you probably wont like my workaround but here goes.
Just join Twitter.
The last time I checked Stu’s twitter he said he was fed-up.
He was also eating fresh fruit which was a surprise.
I whole pineapple yes an actual fresh pineapple and not a big bag of pineapple cubes from the Olde Worlde Sweet Shop.
Re fruit, the SNP’s campaign slogan could be Ban Anas.
When reading the ‘comments’ on any ‘Wings’ article I generally start at the bottom and work my upwards. I am sure that many will do the same.
Whilst perusing todays posts I find no comment on the ongoing Covid enquiry which I thought would have some interest and relevance to Scotland. I did see lots about other stuff!! Admittedly I did not go too far upwards as you can only read so much dross without losing interest.
I have some ‘insider’ knowledge into the Covid enquiry result which I am happy to share.
‘Mistakes were made but,lessons have been learned. No individual was at fault especially those of an SNP persuasion. The deletion of WhatsApp messages which gave an insight on what was really going on behind some of the Government’s decisions is totally irrelevant.
The main plus for Scotland and indeed the whole of the UK is that all of us Barristers, Solicitors and general hangers on involved have made lots of lovely cash during the enquiry and will keep proceedings going for as long as we possibly can. We are, of course, ready to volunteer our services when the next enquiry comes along. Given the performances of the respective Governments in Westminster and Holyrood this will not be too long.’
Did anyone see the post from Baird, on an entirely different subject from his usual mince? No………neither did I!
Let’s hear it for the Kincraig monkey – still free.
Not colonised, enslaved, or a running dog lackey of the imperialist Great Satan.
There’s a rumour the polis are investigating a break in to a garden shed in the area – the owner reckons a tube of blue erse paint is missing.
It’s a fact the monkey was seen on the railway line. There’s another rumour it was trying to grab a train south, to Edinburgh, and on to HR.
These are both great rumours – I just started them myself.
Freedom!!!
Anybody speak Macaque? I think that’s what it’s saying, but I want an expert opinion.
Very good.
Tomatoes are a fruit.
You’ve been spared my rotten tomatoes with that one.
I’m afraid the SNP campaign has gone ‘pear shaped’ before it even started.
Your frutter idea was crap so I’m going with just nutter.
No fruit just nutter.
Try it again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMXpQNTNVkU
I would rather be a nutter than a cunt.
I would rather be a nutter than a cunt.
Fringy fringy nutter Nutty nutty fringer
Fringy fringy nutter nutty cuuuuuuuunt.
Singing ‘aye, aye, yippee, yippee aye!’
Singing ‘aye, aye, yippee, yippee aye!’
Singing ‘aye, aye, yippee, aye, aye, yippee!’
Aye, aye, yippee, yippee aye
got any alternative word for ‘usual suspects’.
Maybe just suspect? What do you think?
I would rather be a suspect than a cunt?
Moonhowler?
Moon Howler, wider than a mile
I’m crossing you in style some day
We’re after the same rainbow’s end
Waitin’ ’round the bend
My huckleberry friend
Moon Howler and me
That song is not east to sing.
@John Main 5.54pm
Ach, there you go applying common sense again John: it’ll never catch on here tha’ knows! The problem for those insisting Scots particularism makes independence inevitable is – as you rightly point out – that what stands in our way isn’t colonialism, or oppression or violence, it’s a collective lack of imagination and political balls.
The self regarding Scottish people are better than that, more considerate, conscientious, and sympathetic line is in the end just another way to shift the blame for a lack of courage by insisting that “we wuz robbed”, or “we’ve been acculturated/colonised/oppressed/enslaved”.
It’s far easier to construct such grandiose intellectual “castles in Spain” than admit the quotidian truth.
Indy supporters aren’t going to construct the majority required for independence by playing to the gallery that we’re uniquely incapable, but by presenting a more convincing alternative. Independence is normal: lots of others without our manifest advantages manage it, and few of them were able to achieve it by the simple expedient of putting an “x” on a ballot paper.
Some in here have convinced themselves that our self regarding left of centre-ism supports their worldview: it’s the Scottish difference, right? Against “the man”, supporting the poor Palestinians (tho oddly, most of the rest of them can just GTF….sorry Country 404 folks, Uyghurs, Kurds, Rohingas….wrong sort of oppressors so you don’t count!), anti EU, anti NATO, anti WEF.
Aw the stuff they assure us makes us different and will go down so well on the doorsteps and at election time, when what folk really want is a country mile away from the fervid Albanian Brigadoon of their dreams.
Quick question for the “intellectual hammers”
How DO YOU know Scots aren’t in the majority for indyref already?
If we’re NOT colonised why can’t we hold a referendum & why aren’t we in full control of our resources & immigration?
Why does a sovereign nation need *permission* from Engurlund if it can leave or not. Why do we need *imagination* instead of just asking the people in a democratic vote what her citizens think?
Answers on a postcard please.
Cause yer just serfs & assume Scots aren’t an equal partner & is subordinate to Engurlund.
@ Geri says: 30 January, 2024 at 8:30 pm
Quick answer for the [deep breath] Naw, jist goanny naw write it.
WM election in 2024.
Nothing stopping any existing Scottish party from making it a plebiscite on Indy.
Nothing stopping any new Scottish Indy party from forming and standing on a plebiscitary platform. 59 seats, so 59 people needed to stand.
Nothing stopping any Scot from getting stuck in and standing, for a new party, or as an Independent for Indy.
Nothing stopping you, Geri. Geddit? Nothing stopping you. Get aff yer fat erse and then we only need another 58.
If the Indy support is really there, then the votes will follow, as sure as night follows day.
If you believe in your heart of hearts the Indy support isn’t there, then keep right on bleetin and greetin and stamping your foot on here.
Ash Regan outlined what had to be done during the SNP Leadership campaign. If it’s a good enough idea for her, then it’s more than good enough for me.
Why the feck is it no good enough for you?
Ellis: “The self regarding Scottish people are better than that, more considerate, conscientious, and sympathetic line is in the end just another way to shift the blame for a lack of courage by insisting that “we wuz robbed”, or “we’ve been acculturated/colonised/oppressed/enslaved”.”
You should read it again, in context. The “better than that” part is actually a reference to people like you who support killing innocent civilians left, right, and centre, arming Nazis, turning a blind eye to genocide, ignoring international law, and are generally selfish cowards.
I don’t think your views (summarised above) are representative of the people of Scotland — yes, I think they (Scottish people) are better than that (better than you). Get it?
The issue of what visitors to this website might think as they read the comments is something you bring up repeatedly. Most, I imagine, would find your comments a shameful embarrassment to the civilised world as a whole, though, not just Scotland.
Turabdin, no need for you to apologise to anyone here but feel free to subtract 1 from the many million apologies we owe you (for needlessly destroying your country).
@Geri 8.30pm
Polls (including one of Rev Stu’s from memory) have consistently shown a supermajority of Scots think only Holyrood should decide when and how often we hold referendums. That must contain a decent number of unionist voters.
However, that doesn’t translate automatically into a 2014 style referendum without both sides agreeing. We know britnats aren’t going to honour the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement precedent, hence the calls for plebiscitary elections.
Not having the ability to hold referendums or have full control of our resources and immigration is a product of the flawed devolutionary system we operate under. If the aim was just “better devolution”, or devo-max or the full Home Rule promised by Gordon Brown and his mates in the Vow, then we’s till have to negotiate the precise terms with Westminster.
There are precedents for systems where the parties had much more devolution, like Austria & Hungary after 1867, or Norway and Sweden after 1815…but that’s not what most of us really want, is it? We want control of all our resources and every area of policy.
We don’t need permission to leave. We do need to demonstrate a clear majority, voting in response to a clear question, in either plebiscitary elections or a referendum. Nothing less will do.
The British nationalists aren’t obliged to make it easy: successive governments have said they have no selfish interest in preventing independence for Scotland, or Irish re-unification, if the majority want to change that status. They can sit there until the cows come home just saying: “We’ve never said, no never just not now”.
If we can’t hold a “legal” referendum that will be internationally recognised, the only plausible alternative is plebiscitary elections.
The right of self determination isn’t in the gift of Westminster, nor can they try to prevent it by claiming it’s unconstitutional: the right isn’t automatic or unlimited however. In the end, the only way to restore our independence is for thr majority to support it and take it, not ask for it. Nobody is going to drop it in our laps, or recognise any of the various fanciful extra-parliamentary cunning plans for indy trotted out by what Chas has I believe christened “frutters”.
Happy to help!
Hatuey @ 4:53 pm
“Being so servile that our master has no need for his whip, after all, doesn’t mean we are not his slaves.”
Aye, the colonial mindset ‘condition’ provides for such servility, indeed it craves it, demands it even.
What Equiano wrote of this ‘power’ in 1789, and Memmi in the late 1950s, and Gordimer since, tells us that:
“Slavery was not abolished, it evolved into colonization.”
@Hatuey 8.59pm
I ignore virtually all your output, unless as in the case of that quote someone else quotes your vomitus, but Ill rise to the bait because yours jumped out as it was tail end Charlie so to speak.
Of course it isn’t true I support killing innocent civilians, arming Nazis, turning a blind eye to genocide, ignoring international law, or that I’m a selfish coward. Desperate straw manning on your part doesn’t help what passes for your case.
I abhor the killing of all civilians of whatever nationality and wherever it happens. Like the vast majority of people I’m not a pacifist or Quaker however, and accept that in conflict situations people die. Emoting that we should end war won’t stop the conflicts currently taking lots of lives in variojs parts of the world.
I support democracies, including that in Country 404. You support the regressive opposition and would happily sacrifice the independence of the country invaded to placate the imperialist coloniser who invaded them a year ago. You don’t have the moral high ground here.
I’ve opposed genocidal actions for all my adult life, whether in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia or anywhere else. Genocide means something. Words have meanings as Rev Stu always says.
You might think I’m a selfish coward, but at least I have the courage not to hide behind an anonymous profile on here like you do so you can dip you poison without fear of people in the real world knowing what a piece of work you are. The light to some is an unwelcome friend of course.
Naturally you think you represent the majority of Scots. you’re wrong of course, and have no evidence to back your bald assertions up. Stun us wi’ another. My very mainstream views are those shared by the overwhelming majority, as evidenced by the fact that’s the way they vote.
If they supported your views, we’d see it in polls and in support for parties advancing those policies or platforms. All you have is the equivalent of repeating that Tinkerbell is real.
you don’t speak for all visitors to theis site or readers, any more than your fringe nutter worldview resonates with the movement or the general population. It’s your puerile, sophomoric views that are the embarrassment, whether here, in Scotland or out in the big bad world. Your Wolfie Smith politics aren’t persuading any but the fringe left, and they won’t deliver independence.
Hatuey
The ICJ says it’s not genocide.
That’s a fact. A chiel that winna ding.
One day there might be a real genocide, and your hysterical OTT misrepresentation of the situation in Gaza will act like the boy who cried “wolf”.
Nobody will believe it, even when it is true.
Okay guys, you’re great. Carry on.
Warning to anyone thinking of joining Alba
Both John Main and Andy Ellis are members of Alba.
If you have an ‘Albanian Brigadoon Dreams’ think again.
John Main seems keen on ‘standing for election’ so maybe take care who you vote for.
Do members of Alba get chucked out for bad behaviour?
I’ve basically got them apologising, Ruby, trying to explain themselves, backtracking, on the run… all of a sudden Ellis is Gandhi and Main is only worried about wolves or something.
Total lightweights.
Ellis
**However, that doesn’t translate automatically into a 2014 style referendum without both sides agreeing. We know britnats aren’t going to honour the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement precedent, hence the calls for plebiscitary elections.**
Sovereign Nations don’t have to agree jack shit. That’s the whole point of being Sovereign. One Nations Sovereignty does not trump over the other.
So if a sovereign nation wishes to hold a referendum, every day of the week if it so chooses, it’s fck all to do with England.
**successive governments have said they have no selfish interest in preventing independence for Scotland, or Irish re-unification, if the majority want to change that status. They can sit there until the cows come home just saying: “We’ve never said, no never just not now”.**
If you believe that horseshit then you really are delusional.
Precedents my arse.
SNP has had six mandates. Majority Pro Indy elections & Parly & they still never agreed to even discuss it.
England had one vote on Brexitshit & enacted it immediately without asking it’s other Sovereign partner if it was OK.
You seem to be confused over what Sovereignty is & also what democracy is.
Regardless of English MPs outnumbering us in parliament – they still don’t trump over another sovereign nation.
Ruby
I very much doubt that. They don’t even know policy or that Hanvey has already acquired International legal opinion.
Wolves?
One love bite from one of these shapeshifting wolves and
not only will he grow fangs and a fur coat he will become one those hated ‘Moonhowlers’
Oooooooooooooooowhoo!!
twathater
Never got back to me. I’m wondering if you got his clock sorted or if he joined Twitter?
Clock sorted: That sounds quite threatening.
Hey pal you better watch it or you’ll be getting your clock sorted.
lol @ watch it or you’ll be getting your clock sorted.
That’s usable, for sure.