Wings Over Scotland

Send for Orwell.

Brilliant, Chris – you even have us looking through the window.

Closed for annual stock shredding.

Flippin’ the bird. Lol

Brilliant Chris. Hopefully the glass will be replaced with bars soon and she gets to share it with Lloyd

Brilliant, Chris!

Captures the contempt these troughers have for the public perfectly, Chris. And catching her in an unguarded moment of forgetfulness as she flashes a clean pair of heels, because her feet are normally planted well-and-truly under the table.

I also share the sentiments of others and would love to see the day she’s on the other side of a prison exercise yard but something strongly tells me that’s never going to happen. The Teflon Tractor will slip the clutches of justice, her Unionist buddies will make sure of that. 😉

Oh Den, if only it were to turn out so!
It is Scotland’s only chance to escape from the insanity that has swamped Scotland’s politics for the past ten years and more.

However, Scotland’s problem is that about half of the electorate will STILL vote SNP, no matter what.

What bugs me is that under our insane electoral system some 56 MSPs are not elected at all; and some of those not elected are Government Ministers, for example Slater & Harvie.

Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.

We also have the so-called ‘Greens’ who are hardly out of school and who have done nothing in their lives, telling the country what it should be doing. We have the Humzas of this life, and there are many, whose only job has been politics. Because they have no real EXPERIENCE, these people simply do not know what so many people in Scotland have to deal with every day of their lives.

Scotland deserves better. Much better.

Bang on Chris, the deceits and cover ups are many.

Meanwhile Robin McAlpine has an excellent article on Nato and Atlanticism, and why an indy Scotland needs no part of either.

link to robinmcalpine.org

The Peoples University of China previously known as Glasgow University has produced some of the lowest forms of Scottish character.
It might be just as well that Scottish students aren’t allowed there anymore.

It’s the Westminster voting system.
They probably set it up like that because they knew there’d be very little yoons voted in given time & they were right. 2007 – just seven year for Salmond to rise.

The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit. It’s not designed for an overall majority so if Scots used their noggin that parly would be a super pro Indy parly.

Sturgeon, the Yoon, locked out that option in 2021. She preferred to work with yoons because yoons wouldn’t push her on independence whereas a super pro Indy parliament would have.

All *both votes SNP* does is allow yoons in & the SNP & Greens to be unaccountable & force through unpopular GRR. (If Alba had been in the cheap seats it’d never have passed) That’s why she bad mouthed Salmond on national telly to make sure that didn’t happen.

Coss party committees are supposed to scrutinise policy through various stages – they’re also asleep at the wheel. That could be argued that’s deliberate – give the SNP enough rope etc, but

Summed up the whole sorry situation perfectly, Chris. That middle finger, the feet on the sill, the closed sign. Gutting but true.

How many of the Scottish populace see the truth about the SNP government? They are only being informed about Sturgeon’s criticism of Johnson – of course, a popular thing to have done.

Sadly, I fear that the SNP high heid yins will all get away with their incompetence and treachery. How I wish that weren’t the case.

” Scottish Information Office, Closed ”

Was it ever open I wonder. Like many of the SNP’s boasts, just a sham.

The prime example is their latest decision to refuse to report one word of the Hamilton inquiry. Unbelievable.

I do hope this decision is challenged and the Commissioner takes them to court again.

I am sick of reading the phrase ‘not in the public interest’ when they really mean ‘not in the SNP’s interest’

Ruby

She called BoJo “a clown”

& Westminster “A shower”

It’s said on the radio her messages contained “expletives” & was “rude”

Yay! I thought – she’s called everyone C*nts!! Haha!

Nope – disappointed. Just a clown.

Since when was clown promoted tobeing an expletive?

Humza will be pissed off now the UK stopped payments to his Hamas mates.

Genocide John

Of course they can be found.

The SNP removes them from the selection process.

If they weren’t a Sturgeon superfan, had a fake disability or had questions over the sanity of Self ID – they didn’t make the cut.

Do not pass go. Do not collect £80k.

Eejit.

Have you learned nothing since being a wasp on here?

Must admit, the boke started to rise when I misread the headline as “Sturgeon in ‘Nude’ Row. 😉

The Great Satan (US) and one of favourite minions the (UK) really are run by vile b*stards.

“The UK is to pause funding for the UN’s key aid agency for Palestinian refugees after allegations that several of its employees took part in Hamas’s 7 October attacks in Israel last year.

The announcement comes after the US state department said it would provide no additional funding to the UN Relief and Works Agency until the allegations were addressed. Australia, Italy and Canada have also paused funding for the agency.

A statement from the UK Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) said: “The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.

“The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations. We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it.””

I seem to recall a man being sent to prison for calling Sturgeon a rude word and yet here is she doing the self same thing.

Tsk!

All that state of the art surveillance & monitoring tae & they missed that beazer? Not.

They’re really trotting out the propaganda.

@John Main 12.58pm

Fittingly given the subject matter of Chris’ latest excellent cartoon, the low information types infesting BTL comments don’t really the think through the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies they claim are Scotland’s true wish though do they?

They still insist – on no evidence at all – that being anti NATO, anti-EU and anti Great Satan will be a big plus for the independence movement. Odd that when challenged none of them ever come up with any evidence to support their sophomoric crank-left marxism.

It’s a bit like watching the bedraggled wee bunch of SSP types trying to make themselves look relevant of a weekend with their stall on Princes Street. I always feel kinda sorry for them.

Presumably when they and the usual suspects here take control our new sovereign citizens assembly (or will they just go balls in and call it a Soviet?) will have no truck with NATO, the EU, and the Great Satan and all it’s works….which seems a little odd given that at present the vast majority seem to support parties endorsing them.

Why…it’s almost like they don’t have any evidence isn’t it?

Perhaps Hatuey can cast some runes to tell us when the new “Brigadoon goes Albania” will be realised to give us all time to prepare?

President Xiden

Wasn’t that for threatening her assassination?

Hardly the same as calling a clown a clown.

*Alba voted at conference not to support NATO.
*They also support EFTA.
*& We’re not great fans of the great Satan since one put it’s nebb into our independence referendum cause it’d have lost a poodle on the security council.

People interested supposedly interested in indy should have known that eh?

Geri @12.02pm

‘The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit’

I have always been a huge critic of the AMS/D’Hondt system: whether it came about through accident or design, it is one of the greatest con tricks ever devised.

But I think your comment about voting for the same party on the regional and list vote simply muddies the waters. I repeat, from a previous comment, the system WAS gamed in 2021, when 185,000 SNP voters voted SNP1/Green 2.
And the SNP, led by Alex Salmond, came to power in 2007 BECAUSE OF SNP 1 & 2, and we rejoiced. The fact is that 90% of voters vote ‘1&2’ and will continue to do so because the list vote is an insurance against failure in the constituency vote.

That one element of the system is pure genius, as it greatly distorts the list counting component – once a party wins a single constituency seat, 50% of their list votes are quietly shredded, rising to 90% if winning all 8.
In addition, all 56 list seats are reserved for registered political parties, vastly reducing the chances of independents ever holding sway – should the voting public ever work out that political parties are the problem, not the solution.

But much as I hate to defend it, it was not AMS/D’Hondt which enabled SNP and Greens to force through the GRRB: there were 9 SNP rebels (plus one SNP coward who declined to vote) which meant that the bill could not pass without support from unionists…and that came is spades from Labour.

Summed up brilliantly again, Chris, although I have to say she has risen a fraction in my estimation since those sweary tests emerged.

With trend going downhill.

@Geri: you asserting things are true, and them actually being true, are two completely different things. All we currently have to go on is polling evidence. You don’t have any, nor can you show any amongst parties with significant support that backs your claims up.

You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.

Post indy Scots may indeed vote for the removal of nukes, but they’re also overwhelmingly likely to vote in favour of NATO membership and EU membership. Most current NATO members don’t have nukes. Many prohibit their presence on their territory under any circumstances, while some allow them in times of crisis.

You’re not going to see supermajorities in favour overturned because of *reasons Geri pulled out of his arse*.

Houthi’s take out the British-owned oil tanker Marlin Luanda in the Red sea yesterday.

My respect for Yemen grows by the day.

Wow, a spate of infantile name calling from the usual suspects.

Yet it continues to be a free Scotland.

All that any poster on here has to do, confident that they have the answers, certain that they can’t be corrupted or compromised, sure that their neighbours will be swayed by their policies and honesty, is get aff their fat erses and stand.

Stand for local council, stand for HR, stand for WM. Whatever.

It would be great if Rev Stu would post an article, outlining just what has to be done, and how much it costs. Every one of the WM and HR incumbents that the regulars just love to hate so much, went through that process and persuaded enough voters to back them.

And if what I eternally read on here is correct, just about every one of these WM and HR incumbents is clueless, misguided, corrupt, compromised or tractorous.

All over Europe, people are forming new parties, giving up the day job, standing for office, and getting themselves elected. It could happen here too, even in Scotland.

And with the certain runaway support of the rest of Scotland, the Wings BTL regulars will be a shoe in. Heck, there’s even one or two I would vote for myself.

As a member of a «minority» the international community, UN etc could not give a f+++ about….the concern for the 16millions of the self described palastinian arabs leaves me rather unmoved.
5.5 million Scots are more likely to be «eliminated» than the above.
My parents live in the gulf where «palestinians» gravitate in order to make a living, the cutting views of many of the type regarding the current political situation would upset prim covert anti jewish Guardian readers.
A view from the uncensored «street».
In arabic it is not quite so black/white.

link to youtube.com

Have you all seen this? It’s excellent.

There is also a clip of Alex Salmond speaking at the Holyrood Enquiry on Stu’s Twitter.

link to twitter.com

Powerful stuff.

I was able to sit through 3 hours of Alex Salmond giving evidence to the Holyrood Committee and I was riveted.

I was definitely not complaining that it was all too highfalutin for me.
Alex Salmond has a great skill. He is a superb communicator.

Sturgeon & Humza can’t hold my attention for even a minute.

Main’ s gnomic gnonsense.
Spanish peace?
Could it be – The Inquisition? – Invasion of the New World, – Franco.
Fock knows.

John Main
13 January, 2024 at 8:11 pm
“I favour forgetting all Guff more Ancient than 60 years and making the simple economic case for Indy.”

Btw, Did the Spanish not expel the Jws because they opened the city gates for the Moors?

JOHN MAIN
There are two views of «al andalous» aka islamic spain, a haven of tolerance for all or a hell for the non-muslim.
You make your selection according to sensibility. The haven of tolerance theme works in sections of western media.
The expression «a curat’s egg» applies to this world; good in parts if you’re lucky, otherwise keep your luggage pre packed to move on…travel light by choice.
It’s all in the semiotics 🙂

I don’t know what Arab dancing is. All I could think about was belly dancing.

I found this:
link to youtube.com

That is quite something.

Yes I can see Flamenco being a combination of Jewish, Gypsy & Arab dancing.

Spanish peace?
What could it mean?
Siesta?
The moments before entering the arena to face the bull?
An attack on Scottish independence?
Fock nose

We definitely need to improve the quality on here.

You can tell when Main is in trouble.
Debate, mockery, and insult having all failed, try toadying flattery.

Dear me, is this what those who fought St. Crispins Day have become?

Ellis

**You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.**

I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to know what the majority would vote for post independence. I do know we’ll return to popular Sovereignty & that means people power. Every decision would go to a public campaign/assembly & referendum. I also very much doubt we’d leave one bastard union & rush headlong into joining TWO others without serious consideration & very public scrutiny & I also very much doubt, as a newly independent country, we’d be setting our sights on joining the wackadoos intent on world domination, do you?

The EU is decades away – currency would be the top priority & per EU own rules – have a long period of stability first. Maybe then they’ll have cleaned in-house. Maybe it won’t even exist as countries increasingly realise they’ve been duped by the yanks & they’re not friends after all but are a threat.

They’re pumping funds to the yanks for a protection racket with some free real estate thrown in & military threat if they don’t comply. The EU are just ideal prime real estate going free for strategic purposes only while their population is being strangled & industries closed.

Ruskies did tell them they’d have been better creating their own alliance & own EU nations – they ignored & scoffed in his face. Now they’re paying the price as their energy was sabotaged by that man nobody & there is hee-haw they could do about it.

NATO have already broken international laws multiple times along with UN directives so maybe you can tell the group why you love them so much & why a supposed international peacekeeper only follows American orders?

I want an Indy Scotland more than ever.

Outside the war mongering NATO.

Outside the war mongering EU.

Freedom come all, ye.

Just googled when NATO first went rogue. NATO dropped it’s mask in 1999 when it decided to bomb Yugoslavia without permission but the Yanks had declared it was now in charge of NATO…

**more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continent**

&…

**The attacks that have started on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia a few hours ago are in clear violation of Article 53 of the [UN] Charter. No country, group of countries or regional arrangement, no matter how powerful, can arrogate to itself the right of taking arbitrary and unilateral military action against others. That would be a return to anarchy where might is right. . . . The attacks now taking place on Yugoslavia have not been authorized by the Council, acting under Chapter 7, and are therefore completely illegal. . . . What NATO has tried to do is to intimidate a government through the threat of attack, and now through direct and unprovoked [End Page 25] aggression, to accept foreign military forces on its territory. . . . There are several traditional descriptions for this kind of coercion; peacekeeping is not one of them. 3

more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continents. Issues of human rights violations and the disintegration of states, “inadequate or failed efforts at reforms,” and “the uncontrolled movement of large numbers of people” have been declared to “pose problems for security and stability affecting the alliance.” 5 During such eventualities, NATO forces will be “called upon” to carry out “crisis-response operations,” the “calling upon” being made not by the UN but by NATO’s own political leadership. The summit declaration was in effect the American liberals’ new containment policy with no defined limits on substance, scope, and reach.

The capitulation by Serbia after seventy-eight days of relentless and merciless NATO bombing, against which the Serbs had no defense, cannot justify violations of law. The attack is the equivalent of the FBI bombarding an inner-city neighborhood in violation of federal and state laws, based on the expectation that crimes may be committed. The punishment meted out by NATO preceded the alleged crimes.**

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NATO isn’t a peacekeeper. It’s now the aggressor & from that article – is heading the same way as the ex League of Nations who also let power go to their head for self interest. (Before my time)

link to muse.jhu.edu

Hatuey. There are a million different reasons for a nation wanting independence. For me it’s very simple and uncomplicated. I was born in Scotland, I am a Scot so that’s all the reason I need. All the other stuff to me is window dressing.

Others may want independence for political , economic or pragmatic reasons. But at the heart of everything is our collective Scottish identity. Everything else flows from that.

Big Jock

Also agree.

As long as it’s Scots that’s doing the deciding then everything else flows from that.

Unionist continually go off course with the *what ifs & what’s yer plans on* & that’s just a distraction & one the SNP is now intent on pandering to with throwing EU membership into the mix as if that has anything to do with Scotland becoming independent – a pure nonsense & delay tactic cause those would be decided by the people of Scotland & not by the SNP.

“There are a million different reasons..”

There was one overarching reason for the rise of the SNP and the victories of 2007 / 2011. That reason was Iraq. By 2007, we knew there was no WMDs and the whole thing was based on lies.

Geri
I suppose I’m thinking that Leaders should lead, take some risks.

It’s a truism to say that any politician who says something definite alienates a pile of potential support.
But a politician that is scared to say anything is going nowhere.
A politics run by focus group and SPADs is stagnant.

Public assemblies too are an avoidance of responsibility, though they may have their place.

Salmond or Regan seem to be the leadership ‘talent’ so hopefully they will start stirring some controversy soon, as Salmond did in 1999.

They really missed the boat with Covid, (and still are)
The climate scam is difficult but, to me, looks like it’s going to collapse in the next couple of years.
Trannyism is just barking. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Unfortunately Salmond is connected to two of these issues: Covid believer, pro green issues.
He may be wary of alienating the youth vote over Trans issues, tho’ there too I think people are fed up with it. Good subject for comedy.

Anyway, we seem to be headed for turbulent times and, as in other countries, there is an appetite for political change.
Wait too long and someone else gets to lead.
I’d want to see ALBA stirring up things for the election, rewards to come later.

A very powerful image by Chris Cairns. I do hope his art can keep up with all the filth that’s about to come out.

“All you have to do is kick in the front door and the whole rotten house of cards will come tumbling down”. A different historical context of course. The SNP/Green monster is about receive a Blitzkrieg from the people.

@David Hannah 12.22pm

I want an Indy Scotland more than ever.

Outside the war mongering NATO.

Outside the war mongering EU.

Freedom come all, ye.

Presumably that’s what most in here want David.

the fact remains that your preferred post independence Scotland isn’t one that has much popular support.

Of course NATO and EU membership are things that are for decision post indy, but what makes you think your views will suddenly overturn those of the vast majority?

Geri
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 7:56 am

Breeks

Aye, I can’t remember if it was Robin McAlpine or Craig Murray who mentioned that a few months ago & gave the heads up Google was messing around – I think it may have been Robin. Google was bumping up to the top what they wanted ppl to read rather than random results based on searches & Ruskies news was a media blackout. (That blows Genocide Johns theory we have a free & uncensored internet thanks to the yanks LOL)

I know you find html very boring so I’m wondering if you would have any interest in SEO Search Engine Optimization. It’s a very interesting topic.

Whether your website appears near the top of the search results is dependent on a number of factors key words, links, name of website etc etc. You can also pay to be near the top these are called sponsored links.

I’ve noticed there are also links with ‘Google guaranteed’ Not sure what that involves.

I don’t know if Google are messing around or if the companies/news broadcasters are just better at SEO than those just not appearing or if they are paying Google to get to the top.

@Geri 7:56

Ref your claim that NATO has contained and surrounded Rusttiland.

Does your specially censored Google permit you info about China? Do you know that the Covid Spreaders and the Orcs share 2,600 miles of land border?

Does your ability to think logically extend to understanding that the Covid Spreaders would have to be part of NATO for your assertion to be true?

Don’t get me started on the more than 23,000 miles of coastline Russtiland enjoys. No power on earth and contain and surround all of that.

Genocide John Main desperately diverting from the ICJ decision with some whataboutery I see.

117 children killed every day in Gaza.

The following contains a warning to pro NATO SNP.
link to nato.int
Should a NATO member state feel threatened it may call upon «protection» from the alliance, in practice the US.
Turkey, in the above case, felt threatened by Iraq, why is not clarified, but the establishment of protection in eastern Anatolia did secure territory troubled by Kurdish «separatism»: also one of the ancestral «homes» of the beleaguered and marginalized Syriac ethnicity.
It does appear that NATO may respond to a perceived threat to a states territorial integrity that could cover any aspirations some Scots might have to dissolving the UK status quo.
NATO sustains. Who benefits?

I see Neil Mackay in the herald is saying a big boy told him the russians support indy.

Missing the point that Cameron stood inviting Putin to come out against indy.

Missing the point Johnston attended russian bunga bunga parties in italy and took a week to sober up.

Missing the russians the conservatives have promoted to the house of lords

Missing the mysterious dark money that appear via ulster for the no campaign.

Clearly the herald is worth of a journalism award for such nonsense.

Ruby

I have strong hatred and contempt for every Student Grant type figure and every clueless eejit hinger oan who has reduced my country to the sorry condition I find it in. Every brain-dead, tribalist, zombie who jerks into unthinking support on sight of the SNP badge, even after endless posts on here about how they are all tractors and troughers.

And that includes every fearty, virtue signalling, reality denier who won’t call out the grinning, fraudulent stain on Scotland’s honour, currently squatting in Bute House, for what he is – a travesty, and a national disgrace that will indelibly mark Scotland’s historical record for as long as Scotland exists.

You are indited on every one of those charges, so off you go and apply some logic.

Haha, I crack me up.

Everyday more cracks.

The cunt is well cracked!

Totally fuckin’ cracked!

More cracks than Humpty fuckin’ Dumpty.

Genocide John Main

Please don’t send me a post, I will only have to correct it’s errors and respond.
I’m busy enough editing the daily pish you produce.

Al Jazeera produced a list of about half the names of dead children your side have murdered.
link to interactive.aljazeera.com

Ruby @ 10:17 am

“Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.”

Yes, it is well-established in any colonial society “how an elite of usurpers, aware of their mediocrity, establish their privileges. By one means only: debasing the colonized to exalt themselves” (Jean-Paul Sartre).

In this environment the usurper continuously ridicules and destroys the colonized’s history, traditions, languages, culture, beliefs, and limits opportunities for native development (e.g. the cap on Scots university places; high energy and other utility costs; plunder of resources etc).

“The main task of the colonizer is to make any prospect of freedom for the colonized seem impossible” (Albert Memmi).

@Geri 11.51pm

I also very much doubt we’d leave one bastard union & rush headlong into joining TWO others without serious consideration & very public scrutiny & I also very much doubt, as a newly independent country, we’d be setting our sights on joining the wackadoos intent on world domination, do you?

You can doubt it all you want, what matters is where’s the evidence to support your assertion that you doubt people would vote the way you disapprove of, when the current figures show your chosen policies are rejected by a supermajority of voters. If wishes were horse, beggars would ride. I think all the evidence shows that post indy the majority of Scots would indeed vote both for NATO and EU membership, however much you and others might disapprove.

As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.

Like so many of the usual suspects in here, you’re long on assertion and wish fulfilment, and short on providing actual evidence, or even a coherent argument in favour of why your fringe minority worldview is suddenly going to become not only more popular than it is now (which is not very popular at all) but actually realisable and shared by the majority.

Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities in favour of EU and NATO membership.

We’ll wait….

DasBlimp farted again same sound same smell.

“Pfft” “Fraaap” “Poot” “Blat” “Thpptphtphphhph” “Braaap” “Braaaack” “Frrrt” “Blaaarp”

‘The Cunts’ seem to fart a lot.

Should ‘Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty’ not be posting on the Doggers site.

He should go there and spam, spam, spam his mince.

How many times is that he’s spammed his mince about Humza ‘fuckin’ Yousaf.

‘Spam & Mince’ that is not a ‘plato combinado’ that should be served anywhere although some ‘Dogs’ might gobble it up!

Ellis talking to Main.

It’s like two goldfish having a conversation.

dasBlimp
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 11:38 am

You spelt “Thpptphtphphhph” wrong.

Ah bless your heart! There’s still hope for you yet.

That comment made me laugh!

Keep doing that and I’ll promote you from being a ‘fat cunt’ to a ‘good cunt’

This is very silly: “Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities…”

Do I need to remind Ellis what support for independence was sitting at a year or two before 2014? It’s was less than 30-35%.

Incidentally, the SNP membership has always been quite divided on NATO, primarily because joining NATO is essentially an endorsement of nuclear weapons which the Scottish public and civil society are (or ant least were) against. You really should look into things before shooting your mouth off.

There’s very little in terms of polls and data to make a judgement on when it comes to Scottish public opinion and NATO. That in itself is probably a good indication that public opinion is at odds with the overlords.

We can guess that support for NATO has risen recently in response to the anti-Russian propaganda, it would be shocking if it hadn’t given the intensity of the onslaught, but these are shifting sands.

NATO is a US foreign policy tool and its primary purpose is to keep Western Europeans in line, not Russians. The EU needs to build its own integrated defence and military alliance.

The best way to find out where people stand on issues is through healthy discussion and debate. And we know that opinion changes through open debate (Scottish independence, Brexit, Trump, Gaza, being obvious examples).

It’s noteworthy that so many, like Ellis, are determined to prevent open debate these days, preferring to just shout people down and tell them what they should think.

If this democracy, I want my money back.

SNP now forging documents. Confirmed fraud released to newspaper the Sunday Mail.

Dorothy Bain will be working overtime this weekend to cover everything up.

Won’t you Dorothy? She’s covering everything up. She’s a fraud. She’s a chalatan. And she’s bend Corrupt Lord Advocate. Aren’t you Dorothy.

The protector of the cabal?

Time for the national crime agency to huckle every one of you.

You’re all a disgrace to your offices.

What’s worse, paltering or lying; “The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement…”

To be clear, I said the electoral success of the SNP in 2007 and 2011 was largely attributable to a backlash against Blair and the Iraq War. Everybody knows it’s true. The SNP lost seats between 1999 and 2003. There’s no way they would have won in 2007 (by one seat) if it hadn’t been for the anti-war stance on Iraq.

In turn, based on that success, Salmond secured the 2014 referendum from which the independence movement we know today sprang.

Thus, we are probably only here talking about these things here because of the Iraq War.

Criticising Salmond’s stance on Yugoslavia is deflection from his anti-war stance on Iraq which was pivotal to SNP success. I don’t know why you would want to do that unless it was your goal to traduce Salmond, and that would be an odd thing for an Alba member to do.

Can you imagine how out of place you’d feel if you were a member of Alba who wanted to impress people with pro-Zionist, pro-US, pro-WWIII, pro-NATO views right now?

If Ellis really is a fish, he’s well out of water.

OK that’s enough research into ‘Cuntology’ for today. I should be getting my PHD in Cuntology soon from the ‘The BTL University of Wings’

Just before I go anyone know
what a Catfish Cunt is?

With regard to internet censorship about two years ago DuckDuckGo announced that it was no longer going to show search results which it deemed harmful which basically meant anything which contained information which the sites owners did not want the general public to know about.

I was on a couple of dating sites and despite having my search radius set to Glasgow or within a five mile radius of I was continuously matched with women in Africa and/or Asia and appear to have no means of changing this. I would also be matched with ugly men in wigs and the site said that any complaint about this would be binned and that repeat complaints would lead to deletion of account for transphobia. I went and looked up who owned these sites and was surprised to find yet another coincidence.

Over at the foreign owned Herald its latest activist embedded as a politician/scribbler is a “refugee” Glasgow based SNP councillor. If you are not starting to notice patterns you are not paying attention.

With regard to Yugoslavia look up Madeline Albright, who did not know that she was Jewish, apparently, and who advocated bombing the shit out of the country. Sometimes the Guardian let’s things slip and in a piece on Yugoslavia about two years ago it mentioned how the Serbs made up something like 24% of the demographic and Muslims made up 15% but that less than two generations later the Serbs found themselves in a shrinking minority and that was when things kicked off. I watched a talk which was being given by what had been the Canadian ambassador to what had been Yugoslavia and he said that a ceasefire and peace agreement had been reached and was about to be ratified when the Clinton administration contacted the Kosovans and told them to declare UDI and that the US would immediately recognise it and support and arm them and that this continued the war for over a year.

I was looking up maps of demographics in what was Yugoslavia and some of the areas which had been granted to the Serbs were marked as no longer populated by them, they appeared to be being drawn back centrally from the areas which they had been assigned by the peace accord. The areas they had been in were marked as unknown population makeup which seemed a bit haphazard.

Just before her death I read up on Albright and she had formed a conglomerate with Jacob Rothschild and George Soros with the aim of buying every single mobile phone mast in Africa.

With regard to BTL, there are, imo, a couple of people using the racism card in a mirror image of how the anti semitisim card is played.

@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.

Ellis

***As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.***

Ireland. Sweden. Nice to know Iceland do the same. Alien to you I’m sure cause you seem to be an idiot follower, not a leader. A narcissist who seeks no one else’s opinion but your own.

In A NORMAL, independent, democratic country -government seek public opinion on important matters & hold such things as open forums to present FACTS & with clear campaigning especially on contentious issues. Wasn’t that the YES campaign I’ve just described?

NATO, like everything else in this shite hole union, is NOT given full publicity on the BCC & especially not when they fck up. For example, are the public aware it’s broken international laws, only follows orders from the yanks & has it’s own political leaders that defy the united nations? I certainly didn’t a few years ago. It is also a nuclear alliance. It’d have no bother dumping nukes as the yanks have done so before. Or the illegal weapons they used in Iraq.

Public awareness is a wonderful thing. Let’s have a referendum eh!!! Because for all your bluster you dunno wtf Scotland thinks, on any subject. A Yougov poll isn’t, from a few random, isn’t conclusive proof of anything.

“@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.”

No need for the apology, we all get a wee bit heated now and then, you might no see this reply I think I might be under moderation.

I didn’t know this was legal or allowed;

“It has emerged Yousaf requested a private off-diary meeting with the Chief Constable of Police Scotland before Sturgeon’s house was raided by fraud detectives. The “one to one” with Sir Iain Livingstone took place on March 31 – just two days after Yousaf became First Minister.

“The meeting is not mentioned in Yousaf’s official diary but papers released via Freedom of Information show his staff requested the summit but declined to say what he wanted to discuss. Police are also investigating more than 1000 alleged instances of fraud. An Amazon account used to buy everyday items is being probed.”

From the Sunday Mail article Ruby linked to above.

I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second….

Follow the link. 😉

Mac says on 28 January 2024 at 12:34 pm:

“I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.”

“So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.”

I often ponder the same thoughts, Mac. There are those who claim to be indy supporters yet seem to spend a lot of their time sitting on here attacking the beliefs of other indy supporters. Why? And if those beliefs they are attacking are as unpopular as they would have everyone believe then why the need to spend all day every day ridiculing those folk and their beliefs?

One of them even claimed to have a military background so you would have thought they, of all people, would know who the real enemy was, wouldn’t you? And i don’t agree with much of those being attacked but neither do i feel the need to pick on them and/or their beliefs.

I guess i can’t get my head around why someone who claims to be pro-indy prefers to waste their own time disrupting these WOS threads by attacking other indy supporters rather than go and frequent the btl threads of the Unionist online newspapers, where most of the Unionist “activists” loiter. That’s where you get to challenge Unionist policies etc.

To me it looks like those doing it are either one of the following, or a combination of the following:
(1) – Narcissists more interested in grandstanding their own perceived greatness. If i were chocolate i’d eat myself sort of thing.
(2) – They are BritNat Unionists masquerading as pro-indy.
(3) – And following on from No2 above but not necessarily the same thing, they are Unionist Trolls.

Mac also said: “Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves…”

And you can take that to the bank, Mac. That’s a dead cert. You only need to look back over the last 3 or 4(?) btl threads and you will find the most blatant, laughable effort yet. You see the comment being posted from a username never seen on here before and within no time at all you see one of the usual suspects quickly appear under his usual Monika responding to the “mystery name” An even bigger giveaway is the utter bullshit in that response. Almost as if he’d created the other account to help him promote his own grandstanding greatness. Have to say, i find it as funny as f@ck. A modern political Del Boy. A chancer and conman. LOL!

Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.

I recall something similar with regards smoking… Going back maybe 25 years, there was a Hypnosis Franchise (Alan Carr maybe?) which boasted a 96% success rate getting people to stop smoking instantly, and never smoke again. In my own personal experience, there’s a 100% success rate. No withdrawal symptoms, no weaning off ciggies, 40+ a day to 0, no preachy attitudes towards other smokers, frankly, no downside whatsoever. Just flicked a switch in my head.

So why, with this miracle on their doorstep, did the NHS start offering everybody Nicotine patches? You have a veritable cure, no side effects, versus simply changing the method of narcotic delivery, so yeah, let’s ridicule the former and throw money at the latter. Never mind the money, just think of all the human misery.

Far as I know, that’s still happening. I don’t really keep up since I haven’t had the remotest urge to smoke in around 28 years. But hey, there’s no proof it works – is there?

Ellis

They worked in Ireland on the very contentious subject of abortion rights. Salmond put forward it could work with Trans rights too – they’re entitled to rights but NOT at the expense of others. They shouldn’t be in prisons either.

An assembly finding common ground on a contentious topic can reach compromise.

As for it working post indy – that is exactly what popular Sovereignty is. People power.

We also can take reference from the many excellent speakers & events during indyref. Informing the public before an important vote on the matter. NATO would be no different & neither would EU who actually insist on it prior to joining. As I’ve repeatedly reminded Genocide John – the EU insist on a public referendum & everyone is onboard first.

A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying because, as pointed out by the Supreme Court Ruling, Scottish independence would have serious consequences for the remaining Union who would ALSO have to renegotiate it’s own entry & application to International organisations with it’s brand new status too.

As Hatuey says – your pro EU, Pro NATO expansion (beyond it’s initial remit & now world police on just *suspected to happen* crimes, Pro WW3, Pro Yank, Pro Nukes, Pro I*rael, Pro 404, Ruskiephobia seems at odds with Alba for you to be “a founding member”

I think yer in the wrong party.

I have not been keeping up to date with the various conflicts going on around the world at present and thought it would be a good idea to find out what is going on.

Thankfully there is no need to trawl through the multitude of media outlets to ascertain the facts. A quick look at the comments section on ‘Wings’, with its’ world renowned experts on EVERYTHING, is all anybody really needs. I am always humbled by the extensive knowledge that they possess.

I understand that Ruby had to visit the shop, where she got a scarf for Christmas, with a view to exchanging it. Apparently the one she got was too tight……………

Breeks

Fair play on switching off the demon crave monster.

My Dad & Brother did the exact same. No gizmos. Just stopped.
My other brother, stressful job, just can’t do it. Even with a bypass late last year the crave was driving him mental.

Anyhoo, yes, they still give the patches, gum, inhaler etc over 12 weeks I think? Prescriptions on the NHS as over the counter is a packet!

The next big bucks is the new fat busting injections. Coming to an NHS soon no doubt.

Dan

Good grief!

They get a bigger bus that has to go around a bridge to avoid cutting a few tree branches off?

That’s insane.

@ Ruby thanks for the link @ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming

As has been pointed out it seems very opportunistic that sturgeon just happened to absent herself when the police EVENTUALLY found the time to conduct a search of chez sturrell thereby negating the ability of our wondrous MSM and broadcasters to doorstep her
And all of a sudden after almost 2 years of investigation we have our ever vigilant police force in collusion with the forensic investigative world renowned journalism of the daily redcoat revealing publicly to much acclaim that some signatures MAY have been forged, I wonder whose signatures have maybe been forged, could this be another line of defence ,could maybe wee petey be being set up as the fall guy, or is Colin being set up to take the fall, or is honest John throwing himself on the fire to protect his great love, but we all know who will NOT be fingered ( no pun intended)

Hatuey at 12:27 may really believe that support for NATO has arisen because of anti-Russti propaganda.

That’s what he posts at any rate.

Hard to imagine more effective anti-Russti propaganda than the exhumation of the torture victims and the summarily executed from the mass graves, wherever the Russtis are forced to abandon areas they previously overran.

Although the thousands of documented cases of babies, infants and kids, kidnapped from their birth families and farmed out for adoption in Russtiland runs it a close second.

The west should stop reporting this stuff – it’s giving the Russtis a bad name!

Tell you what you should do, Hatuey. Hit us with some positive, good news stories from the latest territory to fall under the Russti imperialist expansion. Or from some of the still-free places on the receiving end of their rockets, drones, bombs and ballistic missiles.

Don’t leave us waiting too long. The anti-Russti propaganda has us in its grip!

@ Geri

Aye, the bus takes an alternate route down dual carriageway now, so several small rural communities on the local road lose service.
The son has to nip away from his work at piece break, head home and pick up his elderly mother to take her down to local town a few miles down the road for a class she holds for other residents in the community.
Absolutely unbelievable that this hasn’t been resolved in months. The bus company would generate a little more revenue from fares if the service passed by these small communities rather than bypass them going down the dual carriageway. Not a lot, maybe, but her fare would at least cover the fuel used by the bus on that 5 mile section of road.
I went into the local council roads dept a few months back and mentioned this issue. Got some lame answer like it was difficult to identify and contact the landowners. But that’s utter bullshit though as it’s the same large estate landowner it’s been for decades on this particular section of road.

Dan @ 5.55pm

‘So many councils across Scotland seem to have lost the plot on what should be their priorities’ (Sept)

At one of the Wee Alba Book events I attended, Alex Salmond said that 95% of the electorate has no interest in politics. This is probably a fair assessment … and the reason politicians have carte blanche to rule as they see fit for a minimum of 5 years.

The 95% that Alex referred to probably rises to more than 99% at council level. Even on Wings, where readers and contributors do have an interest, I’d guess that few could name even 1 of their 4 ward reps.

Few would know the relationship between elected councillors and appointed executives, how executives are appointed and by whom, or who decides on expenditure.

And yet council issues have a greater and more easily understood affect on most folk. Councillors are easier to contact, and more likely to be local: you wouldn’t have a Glasgow councillor living in Dundee, for instance, if you get my drift.

Yet many dismiss local elections, don’t ever consider voting, and most of those that do vote blindly place an ‘x’ alongside their fav. party, missing a golden opportunity to dismantle the party system locally by choosing an independent candidate.

If this gained some traction at local level, there’d be greater accountability, better services, and who is to say that it wouldn’t catch on nationally?

News about ALBA…

link to offtopicscotland.com

Hatuey @ 4.31.

Re the meeting between Humza and the Chief Constable on the 31st March last year.

I have read the newspaper article and have tried to find the FOI response which gave the information reported, but without success.

Do you know (or anyone else – the Rev. perhaps) where I can find this response on the official FOI site?

This is a very curious revelation which sets off alarm bells. It needs further investigation.

I see Mackay has a real funny article in the herald saying the Russians support indy. Funny he missed Cameron standing with Putin or Johnstone partying with them and promoting them to the house of lords.

And they get an award for journalism. You could not make this shit up

Merganser, I believe this may be the information you are looking for; link to gov.scot

Click the links to appendices. And please let us know if you find anything of public interest.