Brilliant, Chris – you even have us looking through the window.
Frank Gillougley
8 months ago
Life imitating the art of obfuscation and deflection. What we are watching here is of course ‘the tractors’. Damnation is too good for them! Why people vote for these shysters is beyond me.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Closed for annual stock shredding.
Flippin’ the bird. Lol
Milady
8 months ago
That middle finger to us all sums her up perfectly.
Morgatron
8 months ago
Brilliant Chris. Hopefully the glass will be replaced with bars soon and she gets to share it with Lloyd
What evidence we have seen so far in the Covid inquiry shows just how much contempt the SNP/Green government have for the Scottish people . The families of the bereaved must truly be sickened by this lot. This week must finally be the nail in the SNP/Greens coffin in Scotland.
Stoker
8 months ago
Captures the contempt these troughers have for the public perfectly, Chris. And catching her in an unguarded moment of forgetfulness as she flashes a clean pair of heels, because her feet are normally planted well-and-truly under the table.
I also share the sentiments of others and would love to see the day she’s on the other side of a prison exercise yard but something strongly tells me that’s never going to happen. The Teflon Tractor will slip the clutches of justice, her Unionist buddies will make sure of that. 😉
Dramfineday
8 months ago
Hahaha, very good Chris
Charles (not the R one)
8 months ago
Oh Den, if only it were to turn out so!
It is Scotland’s only chance to escape from the insanity that has swamped Scotland’s politics for the past ten years and more.
However, Scotland’s problem is that about half of the electorate will STILL vote SNP, no matter what.
What bugs me is that under our insane electoral system some 56 MSPs are not elected at all; and some of those not elected are Government Ministers, for example Slater & Harvie.
Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.
We also have the so-called ‘Greens’ who are hardly out of school and who have done nothing in their lives, telling the country what it should be doing. We have the Humzas of this life, and there are many, whose only job has been politics. Because they have no real EXPERIENCE, these people simply do not know what so many people in Scotland have to deal with every day of their lives.
Scotland deserves better. Much better.
Dorothy Devine
8 months ago
Charles ( not the R one) amen to that.
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
Bang on Chris, the deceits and cover ups are many.
Meanwhile Robin McAlpine has an excellent article on Nato and Atlanticism, and why an indy Scotland needs no part of either.
Charles says on 27 January 2024 at 11:04 am: “Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.”
Bullseye! Nail hit very squarely on head. And to add to that we also have unelected troughers like Murdo Fraser who for over 20-years has never been elected by the public. A Tory trougher put in place by his Party and, just like the rest of them, has achieved absolutely nothing of note other than a superior bank balance. It is “truly insane” that we allow this situation and allow these troughing failures to make important decisions for us. Madness doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
The Peoples University of China previously known as Glasgow University has produced some of the lowest forms of Scottish character.
It might be just as well that Scottish students aren’t allowed there anymore.
Doug
8 months ago
Careful, Chris, the SNP’s world-famous rebuttal unit will be on to you.
Geri
8 months ago
It’s the Westminster voting system.
They probably set it up like that because they knew there’d be very little yoons voted in given time & they were right. 2007 – just seven year for Salmond to rise.
The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit. It’s not designed for an overall majority so if Scots used their noggin that parly would be a super pro Indy parly.
Sturgeon, the Yoon, locked out that option in 2021. She preferred to work with yoons because yoons wouldn’t push her on independence whereas a super pro Indy parliament would have.
All *both votes SNP* does is allow yoons in & the SNP & Greens to be unaccountable & force through unpopular GRR. (If Alba had been in the cheap seats it’d never have passed) That’s why she bad mouthed Salmond on national telly to make sure that didn’t happen.
Coss party committees are supposed to scrutinise policy through various stages – they’re also asleep at the wheel. That could be argued that’s deliberate – give the SNP enough rope etc, but
Ruby
8 months ago
There ain’t half some very witty people here on Wings.
I love it!
What’s the ‘rude row’?
Did I miss that by not watching the ‘Covid Inquiry?
sarah
8 months ago
Summed up the whole sorry situation perfectly, Chris. That middle finger, the feet on the sill, the closed sign. Gutting but true.
How many of the Scottish populace see the truth about the SNP government? They are only being informed about Sturgeon’s criticism of Johnson – of course, a popular thing to have done.
Sadly, I fear that the SNP high heid yins will all get away with their incompetence and treachery. How I wish that weren’t the case.
Confused
8 months ago
ICJ judgement just in –
palestinians are getting themselves deliberately killed to make israel look bad.
what’s the point of human misery, if someone else can’t have a good old laff at it – as jonny rotten once called it “cheap holiday … ”
I felt unsafe today, so I went out and killed all my neighbours in the street, then blew their houses up via gas explosions. I still feel unsafe, for the survivors could be hiding under the rubble harbouring murderous thoughts against me, for no reason whatsoever.
– I think Biden should send me F16s. It could be the 2% ashkenazi in me – I’ll tell you what happened to me, but never what I did.
my granny was a holocaust denier, so I sent her to a rabbi to learn of their religion, then I sent her to a professor to learn of their history; when she returned I asked her what she thought of the holocaust now? She said she couldn’t believe it happened only once.
but in a strange karmic balance my grandad destroyed 100 german planes in ww2 – worst mechanic the luftwaffe ever hired
when you look at western politicans – their desire to force unpopular policies on their people, to destroy their own nations – you start to think ALL of them might be on the take, or being blackmailed; if you aren’t bought and paid for, you don’t get the gig; the few honest men are easy to spot by the hatred they get.
Merganser
8 months ago
” Scottish Information Office, Closed ”
Was it ever open I wonder. Like many of the SNP’s boasts, just a sham.
The prime example is their latest decision to refuse to report one word of the Hamilton inquiry. Unbelievable.
I do hope this decision is challenged and the Commissioner takes them to court again.
I am sick of reading the phrase ‘not in the public interest’ when they really mean ‘not in the SNP’s interest’
Geri
8 months ago
..post locked..
Was going to add, be sure to read manifestos.
The Green horrors are all in it. GRR, Fishing, Bottle return & jury reforms.
Sturgeon & the SNP did a despicable & unforgivable thing by transferring a vote for independence straight to the Greens manifesto for absolutely no reason other than she knew she was leaving & wanted Self ID passed. Well probably discover later that was for a backhander.
Great cartoon. It should be bars for Emelda. She ran her own wee internal mafia & is no better than BoJo for blatant lies & skulduggery during a crisis. She should’ve been out since 2017, when the rot was setting in, when she lost all those WM seats, but the narcissist held on while others would’ve stepped down in shame.
Geri
8 months ago
Ruby
She called BoJo “a clown”
& Westminster “A shower”
It’s said on the radio her messages contained “expletives” & was “rude”
Yay! I thought – she’s called everyone C*nts!! Haha!
Nope – disappointed. Just a clown.
Since when was clown promoted tobeing an expletive?
John Main
8 months ago
@Confused 12:09
I remain flummoxed.
129 Scotswomen and Scotsmen, good and true, is all that is needed to “seize” HR and enact the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies you claim are Scotland’s true wish.
Heck, you don’t even need that. 70 would see you with the majority you need to govern Scotland.
70 patriotic Scots, not professional politicians, not in hock to Washington, not troughing crims, not captured by gender woowoo or Zionist Nazi-ism. Are we really expected to believe these people can’t be found? Heck, there’s around 20 regular posters on here with iron-clad certainty they know the cures for all of Scotland’s ills. That just leaves 50 more to find from among the alert readership.
Are apathy, laziness and risk averseness really the reasons why nobody is prepared to take their chances? Is it a lingering manifestation of the Scottish Cringe – politicians are “special people” and although we know how to sort everything, we’re but humble “ordinary people” who can’t rise above our station?
Help me out, Confused, I’m flummoxed.
BTW, I hear there’s good salaries, expenses, pensions, etc. if it’s simply fear of losing the day job holding you back.
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
Humza will be pissed off now the UK stopped payments to his Hamas mates.
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
What will Humza Boy say now that the UK government has stopped payments to his mates in Hamas.
Geri
8 months ago
Genocide John
Of course they can be found.
The SNP removes them from the selection process.
If they weren’t a Sturgeon superfan, had a fake disability or had questions over the sanity of Self ID – they didn’t make the cut.
Do not pass go. Do not collect £80k.
Eejit.
Have you learned nothing since being a wasp on here?
Johnlm
8 months ago
Aww. Main believes the electoral system is functioning.
Bless !
Jim McIntosh
8 months ago
Must admit, the boke started to rise when I misread the headline as “Sturgeon in ‘Nude’ Row. 😉
Hatuey
8 months ago
Remember people used to encourage you to buy The National — “it’s the only pro-Indy paper we have and we should support it…”
You don’t meet those guys nowadays.
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
The Great Satan (US) and one of favourite minions the (UK) really are run by vile b*stards.
“The UK is to pause funding for the UN’s key aid agency for Palestinian refugees after allegations that several of its employees took part in Hamas’s 7 October attacks in Israel last year.
The announcement comes after the US state department said it would provide no additional funding to the UN Relief and Works Agency until the allegations were addressed. Australia, Italy and Canada have also paused funding for the agency.
A statement from the UK Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) said: “The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.
“The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations. We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it.””
Geri
8 months ago
Unionist are fitted with an amnesia helmet.
The memory of a gnat.
How many articles has Stu written on Sturgeons woeful intake over brains & ability?
He’s even provided pictures like a pop up book of horrors of who no one of sound mind would select but miraculously made her shortlist as well as a step by step guide of the skulduggery that’s went on to bump Sturgeon superfans & self ID eejits up to the top of the selection process, exploiting the equality act.
She fcked the SNP & Holyrood by design. Scorched earth her policy. She’ll be awarded some gong later for being the longest serving Unionist in Holyrood that stopped the breakup of the UK.
Maccy Ds are missing their intake cause Sturgeon nicked them all.
President Xiden
8 months ago
I seem to recall a man being sent to prison for calling Sturgeon a rude word and yet here is she doing the self same thing.
twathater
8 months ago
Chris another belter and thank you so much for hiding that physog behind the misinformation waste of paper , I cannot stand looking at that coupon with its wee sparrows arse mooth that can churn oot lies like a machine gun
Confused hilarious as always,I would love to see you in politics tell genocide John you will put your name forward after him , geno always wants someone else to go first, just like his unionist mates
Geri
8 months ago
Tsk!
All that state of the art surveillance & monitoring tae & they missed that beazer? Not.
They’re really trotting out the propaganda.
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
How can these people live with themselves, disease and starvation are already rife in Gaza, as the Great Satan’s (USA’s) tip of the spear in the up and coming war against China, Australia announces that it too is also “pausing” any funding to the UNRWA.
Australia’s PM Anthony Albanese is a fool, and Australians will find themselves been drawn into wars they don’t want or need in the future.
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@John Main 12.58pm
Fittingly given the subject matter of Chris’ latest excellent cartoon, the low information types infesting BTL comments don’t really the think through the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies they claim are Scotland’s true wish though do they?
They still insist – on no evidence at all – that being anti NATO, anti-EU and anti Great Satan will be a big plus for the independence movement. Odd that when challenged none of them ever come up with any evidence to support their sophomoric crank-left marxism.
It’s a bit like watching the bedraggled wee bunch of SSP types trying to make themselves look relevant of a weekend with their stall on Princes Street. I always feel kinda sorry for them.
Presumably when they and the usual suspects here take control our new sovereign citizens assembly (or will they just go balls in and call it a Soviet?) will have no truck with NATO, the EU, and the Great Satan and all it’s works….which seems a little odd given that at present the vast majority seem to support parties endorsing them.
Why…it’s almost like they don’t have any evidence isn’t it?
Perhaps Hatuey can cast some runes to tell us when the new “Brigadoon goes Albania” will be realised to give us all time to prepare?
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
Sturgeon must be convicted and punished. If the Scottish political and legal system wants to retain any respect and any cooperation from the people and the wider community then that little Fuck Wit has to go down. Not for vengeance (my preferred choice) but to ensure the system has any credibility at all. There must be sweeping changes. The position of the FM of Scotland must be clearly defined what they can and cannot do. The present situation of an unelected Muslim snake skin oil salesman having a private Hamas with the Mrs at our expense and in our name. Is insanity on a leash.
Sturgeon will be by word for power crazy hatred.
For Example:
” Oh he was acting like a sturgeon what a prick!”
The cream of society has turned. Can you smell that smell. whats that smell.
So the time for talking is over. Its time for action so I’m going the toilet.
Geri
8 months ago
President Xiden
Wasn’t that for threatening her assassination?
Hardly the same as calling a clown a clown.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Main says Russti will invade Portugal.
The ‘Nostradamus of Norfolk’ says Russti will be divided up within 4 years.
Sounds contradictory.
I’m holding my breath.
Geri
8 months ago
*Alba voted at conference not to support NATO.
*They also support EFTA.
*& We’re not great fans of the great Satan since one put it’s nebb into our independence referendum cause it’d have lost a poodle on the security council.
People interested supposedly interested in indy should have known that eh?
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
Leslie Riddoch should be made to pay back the money she took for her so called lectures.
Ebok
8 months ago
Geri @12.02pm
‘The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit’
I have always been a huge critic of the AMS/D’Hondt system: whether it came about through accident or design, it is one of the greatest con tricks ever devised.
But I think your comment about voting for the same party on the regional and list vote simply muddies the waters. I repeat, from a previous comment, the system WAS gamed in 2021, when 185,000 SNP voters voted SNP1/Green 2.
And the SNP, led by Alex Salmond, came to power in 2007 BECAUSE OF SNP 1 & 2, and we rejoiced. The fact is that 90% of voters vote ‘1&2’ and will continue to do so because the list vote is an insurance against failure in the constituency vote.
That one element of the system is pure genius, as it greatly distorts the list counting component – once a party wins a single constituency seat, 50% of their list votes are quietly shredded, rising to 90% if winning all 8.
In addition, all 56 list seats are reserved for registered political parties, vastly reducing the chances of independents ever holding sway – should the voting public ever work out that political parties are the problem, not the solution.
But much as I hate to defend it, it was not AMS/D’Hondt which enabled SNP and Greens to force through the GRRB: there were 9 SNP rebels (plus one SNP coward who declined to vote) which meant that the bill could not pass without support from unionists…and that came is spades from Labour.
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
Geri thinks Alba represent the views of all the people of Scotland on NATO.
Q: Do you support or oppose Britain’s membership of NATO?
YouGov poll, 22/01/2024 (Scotland figures)
Strongly Support NATO: 49%
Tend to support NATO: 27%
Don’t know: 18%
Tend to oppose NATO: 3%
Strongly oppose NATO: < 3%
Strongly & Tend to Support totals for Scotland are higher than the whole UK figure.
Summed up brilliantly again, Chris, although I have to say she has risen a fraction in my estimation since those sweary tests emerged.
Geri
8 months ago
According to some news outlets the Ruskies have already won & so has Gaza.
Not through their belligerent leaders but by the populations who have absolutely zero intentions of signing up to their wackadoo madness & prefer protest instead of a uniform.
Satan has abandoned 404 in favour of I*real & they’ve fcked up reading the room of their neighbours.
Now 404 refugees are being asked to return to take up the slack..
Hmmmmm Return to get my head blown off or stay here in Canada? Thats a toughie. Decisions, decisions. I think they’ll pass.
Geri
8 months ago
With trend going downhill.
Geri
8 months ago
That last comment was to Ellis
A downward trend. Now look at the chart for nukes. Scotland strongly opposed.
& As NATO is a nuke alliance that buggers that.
The fact you keep failing to accept is you do not know, with any authority, what scotland thinks on a whole host of topics, until Scotland actually holds a referendum on the matter. Until then don’t claim to be an expert based on opinion polls that can change every day of the week depending on the daily news.
Scotland is ant war & anti nukes. We know that already by past events & protests.
Ebook – we can only hope that was because of the “free in 23” regards Green vote.
My message was cut off & follow up went into mod & I just left it. I agree on the both votes can be a good thing but SNP die hards don’t want to accept the more pro Indy parties the better. They’d keep each other in check.
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@Geri: you asserting things are true, and them actually being true, are two completely different things. All we currently have to go on is polling evidence. You don’t have any, nor can you show any amongst parties with significant support that backs your claims up.
You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.
Post indy Scots may indeed vote for the removal of nukes, but they’re also overwhelmingly likely to vote in favour of NATO membership and EU membership. Most current NATO members don’t have nukes. Many prohibit their presence on their territory under any circumstances, while some allow them in times of crisis.
You’re not going to see supermajorities in favour overturned because of *reasons Geri pulled out of his arse*.
Dan
8 months ago
@ Geri at 5.10 pm
Aye, and one also needs to consider and not forget just how behind the curve and ill-informed the Scottish electorate are by malign influences of our MSM and politicians.
The electorate is constantly fed a load of shite and endures paying for all the flawed policy rollouts from both Westminster, Holyrood, and Local Authorities too.
EG. I visited a couple of my neighbours this afternoon to assess their adjacent fully taxpayer funded solar PV array installations and generation figures.
Both installs were completed in June last year and one has only managed to generate just 290 KWhs, and the other a laughably low 170 KWhs.
Both installs are utter shit as the siting of arrays is so compromised due to shading from buildings, trees, and even the rows of panels shading the rows behind.
That one array has generated a third less than the other shows how flawed the installs are.
290 KWhs at a KWh unit price of 30 pence means the “higher” performing array has only made about 90 quid’s worth of leccy, and both tenants have been getting through around 70 quid of leccy a week during the recent cold spell.
A 4KW PV system should be producing about 3400 KWhs a year, so 290 KWhs in over 7 months is nowhere near that figure.
NB. The arrays I describe above are south facing and will be performing considerably better than the two north facing installations I have previously mentioned.
That’s a lot of taxpayers’ money being spaffed away on greenwashing shite. I would have thought such low performance from dodgy installs would warrant an inquiry as to just how such a flawed initiative came to be.
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
Houthi’s take out the British-owned oil tanker Marlin Luanda in the Red sea yesterday.
My respect for Yemen grows by the day.
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
With various UK Tory governments having close connections with Israel, do you ever wonder where the Tories might have gotten the idea for their Rwanda plan?
“The Israeli prime minister is on an official visit to Uganda on Monday, July 3rd. He comes in particular for the commemoration of the Entebbe raid that allowed the release of the hostages of the Air France flight 40 years ago. His brother Yonatan Netanyahu lost his life. Since then, relations between the two countries have warmed. Israel, which is facing the influx of African immigrants, has decided to deport a number of them to a “safe third country” on a voluntary basis. Israel provided them with a travel document and $3,500. Nearly 10,000 people are said to have left Israel for Africa… The Sudanese mainly for Uganda, and the Eritreans for Rwanda. ”
Wow, a spate of infantile name calling from the usual suspects.
Yet it continues to be a free Scotland.
All that any poster on here has to do, confident that they have the answers, certain that they can’t be corrupted or compromised, sure that their neighbours will be swayed by their policies and honesty, is get aff their fat erses and stand.
Stand for local council, stand for HR, stand for WM. Whatever.
It would be great if Rev Stu would post an article, outlining just what has to be done, and how much it costs. Every one of the WM and HR incumbents that the regulars just love to hate so much, went through that process and persuaded enough voters to back them.
And if what I eternally read on here is correct, just about every one of these WM and HR incumbents is clueless, misguided, corrupt, compromised or tractorous.
All over Europe, people are forming new parties, giving up the day job, standing for office, and getting themselves elected. It could happen here too, even in Scotland.
And with the certain runaway support of the rest of Scotland, the Wings BTL regulars will be a shoe in. Heck, there’s even one or two I would vote for myself.
John Main
8 months ago
@RoS 4:00
Here in Scotland and across the wider U.K. we have strict rules against allowing murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers to have contact with vulnerable groups.
There are plenty of respectable humanitarian organisations, utilising vetted and above suspicion employees, who can take over, and won’t put the Palestinians at risk of further exploitation or injury by the very nasty people who have been unmasked hiding in UNRWA.
I am confident that if you think it through, and imagine yourself and your family in a situation of desperate need, the last thing you would want would be some violently murderous, or pervertedly rapacious criminal working his way into your confidence.
TURABDIN
8 months ago
As a member of a «minority» the international community, UN etc could not give a f+++ about….the concern for the 16millions of the self described palastinian arabs leaves me rather unmoved.
5.5 million Scots are more likely to be «eliminated» than the above.
My parents live in the gulf where «palestinians» gravitate in order to make a living, the cutting views of many of the type regarding the current political situation would upset prim covert anti jewish Guardian readers.
A view from the uncensored «street».
In arabic it is not quite so black/white.
John Main
8 months ago
TURABDIN
I like the Spanish viewpoint on the religion of peace.
It’s not so long since the Spanish experienced that “peace” at first hand. The memory has been seared into their collective consciousness. So of All the major European countries, they are the most strongly opposed to experiencing it for a second time.
We should listen to them – they know of what they speak.
I was able to sit through 3 hours of Alex Salmond giving evidence to the Holyrood Committee and I was riveted.
I was definitely not complaining that it was all too highfalutin for me.
Alex Salmond has a great skill. He is a superb communicator.
Sturgeon & Humza can’t hold my attention for even a minute.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Idiot Main – “Here in Scotland and across the wider U.K. we have strict rules against allowing murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers to have contact with vulnerable groups.”
Eg Isla Blair?
Funny to see yoons riding to the rescue of people they pretend to despise.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Main’ s gnomic gnonsense.
Spanish peace?
Could it be – The Inquisition? – Invasion of the New World, – Franco.
Fock knows.
John Main
13 January, 2024 at 8:11 pm
“I favour forgetting all Guff more Ancient than 60 years and making the simple economic case for Indy.”
Btw, Did the Spanish not expel the Jws because they opened the city gates for the Moors?
Ruby
8 months ago
I understand everything Alex Salmond says and as I said I am riveted. I can listen to him for hours.
By comparison I haven’t a clue what the last four posts are about. Three from John Main & one from TURABDIN.
What peace is he talking about that the Spanish experienced first hand?
TURABDIN
8 months ago
JOHN MAIN
There are two views of «al andalous» aka islamic spain, a haven of tolerance for all or a hell for the non-muslim.
You make your selection according to sensibility. The haven of tolerance theme works in sections of western media.
The expression «a curat’s egg» applies to this world; good in parts if you’re lucky, otherwise keep your luggage pre packed to move on…travel light by choice.
It’s all in the semiotics 🙂
Ruby
8 months ago
Holy Toledo!
The history of the city of Toledo in Spain is very interesting.
I used to know loads about Spain but I’ve forgotten.
I think the Jews were expelled by the Catholic kings in 1492
It is claimed that the Jews, the Moors and the gypsies all fleeing the inquisition got together in hiding. They danced together all doing their own traditional dances. As a result Flamenco was born.
Yes I can see Flamenco being a combination of Jewish, Gypsy & Arab dancing.
John Main
8 months ago
@TURABDIN
Thanks for your response.
It’s good to interact with an educated and knowledgeable poster. Keep the posts coming. We need to do what we can to improve the quality on here.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Spanish peace?
What could it mean?
Siesta?
The moments before entering the arena to face the bull?
An attack on Scottish independence?
Fock nose
We definitely need to improve the quality on here.
Ruby
8 months ago
I have an idea how to improve the quality around here.
Johnlm
8 months ago
You can tell when Main is in trouble.
Debate, mockery, and insult having all failed, try toadying flattery.
Dear me, is this what those who fought St. Crispins Day have become?
Dorothy Devine
8 months ago
Famine , sword and fire crouch for employment.
Geri
8 months ago
Ellis
**You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.**
I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to know what the majority would vote for post independence. I do know we’ll return to popular Sovereignty & that means people power. Every decision would go to a public campaign/assembly & referendum. I also very much doubt we’d leave one bastard union & rush headlong into joining TWO others without serious consideration & very public scrutiny & I also very much doubt, as a newly independent country, we’d be setting our sights on joining the wackadoos intent on world domination, do you?
The EU is decades away – currency would be the top priority & per EU own rules – have a long period of stability first. Maybe then they’ll have cleaned in-house. Maybe it won’t even exist as countries increasingly realise they’ve been duped by the yanks & they’re not friends after all but are a threat.
They’re pumping funds to the yanks for a protection racket with some free real estate thrown in & military threat if they don’t comply. The EU are just ideal prime real estate going free for strategic purposes only while their population is being strangled & industries closed.
Ruskies did tell them they’d have been better creating their own alliance & own EU nations – they ignored & scoffed in his face. Now they’re paying the price as their energy was sabotaged by that man nobody & there is hee-haw they could do about it.
NATO have already broken international laws multiple times along with UN directives so maybe you can tell the group why you love them so much & why a supposed international peacekeeper only follows American orders?
David Hannah
8 months ago
I’m not sure what to make about this UN involvement in the Hamas terror attacks.
But Humza has been directly funding this UN agency.
£750,000 to support the agency. More Scottish money given away. And, this time. To terrorists it would seem.
At the same time. I support Palestine.
From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free. Stop the genocide by the Jewish zionist killing machine. With the big noses. And all of their money. Like the Hilary Clinton foundation and Bill – who likes them young – Clinton.
David Hannah
8 months ago
I want an Indy Scotland more than ever.
Outside the war mongering NATO.
Outside the war mongering EU.
Freedom come all, ye.
Hatuey
8 months ago
Ruby: “ I haven’t a clue what the last four posts are about. Three from John Main & one from TURABDIN…”
Me neither. I wish people would devote themselves to explaining ideas in plain English instead of trying to sound like Aesop.
“The writer either has a meaning and cannot express it, or he inadvertently says something else, or he is almost indifferent as to whether his words mean anything or not…”
(George Orwell, ‘Politics and the English Language’)
Geri
8 months ago
Just googled when NATO first went rogue. NATO dropped it’s mask in 1999 when it decided to bomb Yugoslavia without permission but the Yanks had declared it was now in charge of NATO…
**more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continent**
&…
**The attacks that have started on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia a few hours ago are in clear violation of Article 53 of the [UN] Charter. No country, group of countries or regional arrangement, no matter how powerful, can arrogate to itself the right of taking arbitrary and unilateral military action against others. That would be a return to anarchy where might is right. . . . The attacks now taking place on Yugoslavia have not been authorized by the Council, acting under Chapter 7, and are therefore completely illegal. . . . What NATO has tried to do is to intimidate a government through the threat of attack, and now through direct and unprovoked [End Page 25] aggression, to accept foreign military forces on its territory. . . . There are several traditional descriptions for this kind of coercion; peacekeeping is not one of them. 3
more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continents. Issues of human rights violations and the disintegration of states, “inadequate or failed efforts at reforms,” and “the uncontrolled movement of large numbers of people” have been declared to “pose problems for security and stability affecting the alliance.” 5 During such eventualities, NATO forces will be “called upon” to carry out “crisis-response operations,” the “calling upon” being made not by the UN but by NATO’s own political leadership. The summit declaration was in effect the American liberals’ new containment policy with no defined limits on substance, scope, and reach.
The capitulation by Serbia after seventy-eight days of relentless and merciless NATO bombing, against which the Serbs had no defense, cannot justify violations of law. The attack is the equivalent of the FBI bombarding an inner-city neighborhood in violation of federal and state laws, based on the expectation that crimes may be committed. The punishment meted out by NATO preceded the alleged crimes.**
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NATO isn’t a peacekeeper. It’s now the aggressor & from that article – is heading the same way as the ex League of Nations who also let power go to their head for self interest. (Before my time)
As I explained yesterday, Geri, the problem with Ellis’s jingoistic bullshit is that we are only here on this forum talking about independence and things because the Scottish people were appalled at the Iraq “war”.
In other words, if it wasn’t for the very people and standpoint that Ellis continually berates and attacks, the SNP would never have ousted Scottish Labour in 2007, and we wouldn’t have had an independence referendum in 2014. That’s so obvious that it might be regarded as some sort of political truism.
The SNP and independence movement we see today, then, more or less owes its existence to anti-war and anti-US imperialist sentiment in the collective psyche of the Scottish public. Of course, that goes for Alba too, and much else.
Ellis is not only wrong, what he is saying diametrically contradicts the truth and is in fact the opposite of the truth.
Big Jock
8 months ago
Hatuey. There are a million different reasons for a nation wanting independence. For me it’s very simple and uncomplicated. I was born in Scotland, I am a Scot so that’s all the reason I need. All the other stuff to me is window dressing.
Others may want independence for political , economic or pragmatic reasons. But at the heart of everything is our collective Scottish identity. Everything else flows from that.
Geri
8 months ago
Hatuey
Agreed.
Geri
8 months ago
Big Jock
Also agree.
As long as it’s Scots that’s doing the deciding then everything else flows from that.
Unionist continually go off course with the *what ifs & what’s yer plans on* & that’s just a distraction & one the SNP is now intent on pandering to with throwing EU membership into the mix as if that has anything to do with Scotland becoming independent – a pure nonsense & delay tactic cause those would be decided by the people of Scotland & not by the SNP.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Alex Salmond really stepped free from from the crowd when he opposed the bombing of Serbia in 1999.
His opponents piled on thinking he had made a huge error.
The public however, including many in England, thought otherwise.
It took Scottish politics onto a new level and fuelled the rise of the SNP.
Is there someone with any commitment and vision about nowadays?
I don’t see anyone.
Covid, climate nonsense, and trannyism are just three clear examples where a committed politician could represent a large number of disenfranchised voters, but, there is no one.
Very strange.
Hatuey
8 months ago
“There are a million different reasons..”
There was one overarching reason for the rise of the SNP and the victories of 2007 / 2011. That reason was Iraq. By 2007, we knew there was no WMDs and the whole thing was based on lies.
Geri
8 months ago
Johnlm
There could always be Salmond again?
He proposes public assemblies to address the Trannyisim issue & (I think) that would instantly fall apart the moment the pampers brigade were asked a direct question, that’s if they even had the guts to show up to face parents.
Same with the climate. He is well aware it can’t be a bull in a china shop approach.
Whether he can make a comeback is anyone’s guess. Sturgeon has made sure to scunner the fck out of an entire population hoping we’ll all go back in our wee Union Jack box. The momentum squandered. Weans in charge.
He needs to give serious thought to not take seats at WM. We’ve watched 10 yrs of those donkey’s going nowhere but catching fleas on the way to the bars & feathering their own nests.
I don’t see anyone else either. The only three that know their stuff in politics & have a moral compass seems to be Salmond, Hanvey & MacAskill.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Geri
I suppose I’m thinking that Leaders should lead, take some risks.
It’s a truism to say that any politician who says something definite alienates a pile of potential support.
But a politician that is scared to say anything is going nowhere.
A politics run by focus group and SPADs is stagnant.
Public assemblies too are an avoidance of responsibility, though they may have their place.
Salmond or Regan seem to be the leadership ‘talent’ so hopefully they will start stirring some controversy soon, as Salmond did in 1999.
They really missed the boat with Covid, (and still are)
The climate scam is difficult but, to me, looks like it’s going to collapse in the next couple of years.
Trannyism is just barking. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Unfortunately Salmond is connected to two of these issues: Covid believer, pro green issues.
He may be wary of alienating the youth vote over Trans issues, tho’ there too I think people are fed up with it. Good subject for comedy.
Anyway, we seem to be headed for turbulent times and, as in other countries, there is an appetite for political change.
Wait too long and someone else gets to lead.
I’d want to see ALBA stirring up things for the election, rewards to come later.
Breeks
8 months ago
Geri
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 12:36 am
Just googled when NATO first went rogue….
2 things…
Don’t trust Google to find what you’re looking for.
Let me clarify, don’t not trust it, but just don’t assume it’s search engine is particularly ahem, thorough, or telling you everything. Both Google and YouTube have played a big role in skewing the perception of recent world events. Look too at all the jiggerypokery with cyber attacks on so many pro-Indy blogs.
Try Googling Ruskia Today and see where it gets you. A white blackout. Scott Ritter and Douglas MacGregor were also deplatformed at critical times, although they seem to be back on YT. These “silencing” of sources are just examples of Western narratives masquerading as “news”.
I find it all a bit BBC… you might hear something interesting as a headline, but then you need to dig around to get the true story minus the blinkers and agenda filtration.
And 1999? I’d go back further, at least as far back as 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed, and also the Bosnian war of 1992-95. NATO’s motives were already dubious back then, as was their cynical attitude towards UN Resolutions.
Point of fact, Vlad (P)utin cited the same UN Charter to intervene militarily in the Don Bas, to save Ruskian Nationals from shelling, as the US and NATO cited to bomb Yugoslavia and eventually recognise Kosovo. Sauce for the goose and all that.
Also, as reported above, it was the bombing of Yugoslavia without appropriate Resolutions which Alex Salmond described as “unpardonable folly”.
Hands up anyone who still believes it actually was a simple act of folly, not a “deeper” NATO / US agenda in the making…
Salmond was an incredible Statesman with good instincts and the courage to stand against the mainstream opinion, and an Independent Scotland would have flourished under his leadership… at least until NATO wanted him gone. Maybe, in part, that’s precisely what did happen. NATO does mean London after all, not just Washington.
I know, I know, his legacy gave us Sturgeon, so he wasn’t infallible. But maybe if the Faculty of Advocates had struck her off rather than fudged a deal over her departure from the legal profession, then the World would have been a better place all round.
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
A very powerful image by Chris Cairns. I do hope his art can keep up with all the filth that’s about to come out.
“All you have to do is kick in the front door and the whole rotten house of cards will come tumbling down”. A different historical context of course. The SNP/Green monster is about receive a Blitzkrieg from the people.
Geri
8 months ago
Breeks
Aye, I can’t remember if it was Robin McAlpine or Craig Murray who mentioned that a few months ago & gave the heads up Google was messing around – I think it may have been Robin. Google was bumping up to the top what they wanted ppl to read rather than random results based on searches & Ruskies news was a media blackout. (That blows Genocide Johns theory we have a free & uncensored internet thanks to the yanks LOL)
Regards my link – I was just clarifying I had no link to that website cause that’s the next predictable gripe “oh that sites biased, that sites Ruskie sympathisers, that sites fake news” the usual comeback on forums when ppl link sources. “My source is better than your source” type eejits lol
I also agree that it goes away back to the fall of the Soviet Union. The lecturer I listened to a few yrs ago (can’t remember his name now, sorry) Also gave that same timeline & all the manoeuvres they had in place to contain & surround Ruskies & they’ve managed it with NATO.
In the article I linked it goes on to talk about the fall of the league of Nations for the same reason that looks to be repeating itself. Not content on Nations working in harmony for the greater good & abiding by the law – there were three who wished to dominate everyone else where they thought the law was just for everyone else. UN & NATO now repeating it.
I listened to your link the other day. Great discussion & I now subscribe to that ladies channel “Through the eyes of” so thanks for the linking it..
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@David Hannah 12.22pm
I want an Indy Scotland more than ever.
Outside the war mongering NATO.
Outside the war mongering EU.
Freedom come all, ye.
Presumably that’s what most in here want David.
the fact remains that your preferred post independence Scotland isn’t one that has much popular support.
Of course NATO and EU membership are things that are for decision post indy, but what makes you think your views will suddenly overturn those of the vast majority?
John Main
8 months ago
@Hatuey 12:52
That’s certainly an innarestin take. Your “truism” is another man’s brand new novelty. ”Twas ever thus.
I’ll do no more than publish a correction. Where you wrote that the Scottish people decided they wanted Indy because of the Iraq War, in fact, around half the Scottish people might have been appalled enough to want Indy.
Seems a shoogly peg to hang an Indy movement on, especially over 2 decades later, which would also explain how the SNP and Indy itself has run out of steam. Protest votes are great fun, but nobody ever protested themselves to comfortable prosperity. That takes planning, tactics and hard graft, maintained for years.
As people who think like you never manage to understand, there’s another consideration too – what people virtue signal about, online, down the pub, even on the street, is not the same as what people choose in the isolation of the polling booth.
Ruby
8 months ago
Geri
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 7:56 am
Breeks
Aye, I can’t remember if it was Robin McAlpine or Craig Murray who mentioned that a few months ago & gave the heads up Google was messing around – I think it may have been Robin. Google was bumping up to the top what they wanted ppl to read rather than random results based on searches & Ruskies news was a media blackout. (That blows Genocide Johns theory we have a free & uncensored internet thanks to the yanks LOL)
I know you find html very boring so I’m wondering if you would have any interest in SEO Search Engine Optimization. It’s a very interesting topic.
Whether your website appears near the top of the search results is dependent on a number of factors key words, links, name of website etc etc. You can also pay to be near the top these are called sponsored links.
I’ve noticed there are also links with ‘Google guaranteed’ Not sure what that involves.
I don’t know if Google are messing around or if the companies/news broadcasters are just better at SEO than those just not appearing or if they are paying Google to get to the top.
John Main
8 months ago
@Breeks 5:53
Amazing how Breeks can provide us with a potted history of the past 30 years or so, but neglect to mention the little spat in Chechnya, with its tens of thousands of casualties, most of them non combatants.
Geri won’t know about it either, what with her Internet being censored – an intriguing new twist to the “they’re all agin us” trope.
Alert readers will wonder if Breeks intention is just to spin his usual one-sided propaganda piece, banking on there being a few gullible readers prepared to swallow it and cheer along.
Horrified readers may wonder if the situation in Gaza may eventually grow to match its predecessor in Chechnya, and if those pretending Chechnya never happened will find themselves discredited and disqualified when they try to pretend the Gaza situation is uniquely terrible.
Still, all considerations aside, one has to wonder at the constant refrain of pro-Russti posts on Wings BTL.
John Main
8 months ago
@Geri 7:56
Ref your claim that NATO has contained and surrounded Rusttiland.
Does your specially censored Google permit you info about China? Do you know that the Covid Spreaders and the Orcs share 2,600 miles of land border?
Does your ability to think logically extend to understanding that the Covid Spreaders would have to be part of NATO for your assertion to be true?
Don’t get me started on the more than 23,000 miles of coastline Russtiland enjoys. No power on earth and contain and surround all of that.
“Guan Yersel he says is a sign of encouragement
Not something you often get in Scotland.”
I wonder why that is. Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.
I’m wonder if ‘The Cunts’ are here to do precisely that. Every day it’s the same thing. You are stupid and your post are drivel, you fringe nutters will be going nowhere.
Johnlm
8 months ago
Genocide John Main desperately diverting from the ICJ decision with some whataboutery I see.
117 children killed every day in Gaza.
Johnlm
8 months ago
4.5 million deaths (at least) in zionist wars post 911.
The following contains a warning to pro NATO SNP. link to nato.int
Should a NATO member state feel threatened it may call upon «protection» from the alliance, in practice the US.
Turkey, in the above case, felt threatened by Iraq, why is not clarified, but the establishment of protection in eastern Anatolia did secure territory troubled by Kurdish «separatism»: also one of the ancestral «homes» of the beleaguered and marginalized Syriac ethnicity.
It does appear that NATO may respond to a perceived threat to a states territorial integrity that could cover any aspirations some Scots might have to dissolving the UK status quo.
NATO sustains. Who benefits?
Ruby
8 months ago
Ellis presumes everyone posting here is an Indy supporter.
Aye right!
I’m wondering about TURABDIN.
Who is he? What is he?
Why did he change his user name from Ottomanboi to TURABDIN
Did he decide that his story that he was a 17 year old boy recently arrived from Iraq was just too far fetched?
What about DasBlimp does he support Scottish Independence?
A Scot Abroad did not nor did the Captain of the Sinking School
Then there’s John Main & Andy Ellis who hate Scotland and everyone who posts on this site and every other pro-independence site.
Chas is basically just a bit of fluff that’s stuck on Ellis & Mains
red, white & blue coat-tails.
At least DasBlimp, the Captain & Ascot are honest ‘The Cunts’ are pretending to be something they are not.
Shug
8 months ago
I see Neil Mackay in the herald is saying a big boy told him the russians support indy.
Missing the point that Cameron stood inviting Putin to come out against indy.
Missing the point Johnston attended russian bunga bunga parties in italy and took a week to sober up.
Missing the russians the conservatives have promoted to the house of lords
Missing the mysterious dark money that appear via ulster for the no campaign.
Clearly the herald is worth of a journalism award for such nonsense.
John Main
8 months ago
JohnLMAO
117? I read it was 116 on Friday and 118 yesterday.
Maybes “they” are censoring your internet too. I can’t imagine they would only have Geri in their sights. Every poster posing a real threat to the Zionist NWO will have been targeted, and that means even little you, JohnLMAO.
Haha, I crack me up.
To be serious for a mo, I can see from your hair-trigger trolling you’re desperate to make a name for yourself as a Wings BTL “big hitter”. Fair play to you for that – it keeps you off the daytime TV and maybes the sauce too.
We’re close to the top of the month, so I promise to send you a wee post early in February. It’s always a depressing month, so the least I can do for you is give your spirits a wee lift. Start you off in February with some validation.
Keep your eyes peeled – not too long for you to wait.
John Main
8 months ago
Ruby
I have strong hatred and contempt for every Student Grant type figure and every clueless eejit hinger oan who has reduced my country to the sorry condition I find it in. Every brain-dead, tribalist, zombie who jerks into unthinking support on sight of the SNP badge, even after endless posts on here about how they are all tractors and troughers.
And that includes every fearty, virtue signalling, reality denier who won’t call out the grinning, fraudulent stain on Scotland’s honour, currently squatting in Bute House, for what he is – a travesty, and a national disgrace that will indelibly mark Scotland’s historical record for as long as Scotland exists.
You are indited on every one of those charges, so off you go and apply some logic.
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
Geri @7.56am.
Geri.
Its not just Nato bases, of which both Sweden and Finland will now find themselves hosting, its the Great Satan’s (US) bases around the globe that worries folk, Japan alone has 120 US bases in its Ring of Fire around China.
The US has far more bases than Nato here’s a 2021 list of them, though Nato which has no remit in the South China seas want to/has expanded to encompass this region.
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Ruby
8 months ago
Haha, I crack me up.
Everyday more cracks.
The cunt is well cracked!
Totally fuckin’ cracked!
More cracks than Humpty fuckin’ Dumpty.
dasBlimp
8 months ago
Ruby
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 10:40 am
Ellis presumes everyone posting here is an Indy supporter.
Aye right!
I’m wondering about TURABDIN.
Who is he? What is he?
Why did he change his user name from Ottomanboi to TURABDIN
Did he decide that his story that he was a 17 year old boy recently arrived from Iraq was just too far fetched?
What about DasBlimp does he support Scottish Independence?
I do, Ruby. The referendum result baffled me and I came here to find out what makes a ScotNat tick and why they rejected independence. I learn from here that it was because of the votes of non-native Scots. If Salmond was so brilliant he should have seen that one coming.
In any case, I see the Scottish and those of us fighting for an independent Mercia as brothers and sisters in arms. Viva Ashby-de-la-zouch!
Johnlm
8 months ago
Genocide John Main
Please don’t send me a post, I will only have to correct it’s errors and respond.
I’m busy enough editing the daily pish you produce.
“Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.”
Yes, it is well-established in any colonial society “how an elite of usurpers, aware of their mediocrity, establish their privileges. By one means only: debasing the colonized to exalt themselves” (Jean-Paul Sartre).
In this environment the usurper continuously ridicules and destroys the colonized’s history, traditions, languages, culture, beliefs, and limits opportunities for native development (e.g. the cap on Scots university places; high energy and other utility costs; plunder of resources etc).
“The main task of the colonizer is to make any prospect of freedom for the colonized seem impossible” (Albert Memmi).
Hatuey
8 months ago
I’m glad John hasn’t “indited” me.
What happened though, one minute he’s trying to sound like Aesop, next minute he’s a threatening closet-racist hard man?
You’re losing your shit, John, take a break.
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@Geri 11.51pm
I also very much doubt we’d leave one bastard union & rush headlong into joining TWO others without serious consideration & very public scrutiny & I also very much doubt, as a newly independent country, we’d be setting our sights on joining the wackadoos intent on world domination, do you?
You can doubt it all you want, what matters is where’s the evidence to support your assertion that you doubt people would vote the way you disapprove of, when the current figures show your chosen policies are rejected by a supermajority of voters. If wishes were horse, beggars would ride. I think all the evidence shows that post indy the majority of Scots would indeed vote both for NATO and EU membership, however much you and others might disapprove.
As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.
Like so many of the usual suspects in here, you’re long on assertion and wish fulfilment, and short on providing actual evidence, or even a coherent argument in favour of why your fringe minority worldview is suddenly going to become not only more popular than it is now (which is not very popular at all) but actually realisable and shared by the majority.
Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities in favour of EU and NATO membership.
We’ll wait….
TURABDIN
8 months ago
RUBY
Im 20, not 17. That is number in your imagination.
I, my siblings, parents, extended family know more about the nasty reality of contemporary life than many would wish on an enemy.
I was born in a war torn scenario, hundreds of thousands like me. I/we had to grow up very quickly. Precocious maybe.
I cannot go «home». My home is planet Earth, location indeterminate.
Bonne journée madame.
Should ‘Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty’ not be posting on the Doggers site.
He should go there and spam, spam, spam his mince.
How many times is that he’s spammed his mince about Humza ‘fuckin’ Yousaf.
‘Spam & Mince’ that is not a ‘plato combinado’ that should be served anywhere although some ‘Dogs’ might gobble it up!
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@John Main 9.42am
I love it when these lack wits pontificate about their latest hobby horse issue and present it as a self evident truth. The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement is so outlandish that it surprises me even when it comes from fringe nutters as deluded as the usual suspects on here.
It’s a bit like those who drone on about how Salmond was right about Yugoslavia, when of course he was wrong, and it’s most unlikely that his views at the time reflected those of the majority of Scots. Happy to proven wrong, but I won’t be holding my breath to be shown the evidence otherwise.
Funny isn’t it, the sophomoric anti-EU, anti-NATO types continually harp on about there being no evidence, then when presented with the evidence ignore it, and/or insist the super majorites supporting membership will somehow evaporate post independence because *reasons*, whereas we’re enjoined to accept their assertions about the centrality of the Iraq war to the success of the independence movement as a self evident on the basis of…..nada, niente, zilch.
Why, it’s almost as if they haven’t been paying attention to Rev Stu’s concentration on evidencing things. Perhaps they think we won’t notice?
Johnlm
8 months ago
Ellis talking to Main.
It’s like two goldfish having a conversation.
Ruby
8 months ago
TURABDIN
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 11:31 am
RUBY
Im 20, not 17. That is number in your imagination.
I, my siblings, parents, extended family know more about the nasty reality of contemporary life than many would wish on an enemy.
I was born in a war torn scenario, hundreds of thousands like me. I/we had to grow up very quickly. Precocious maybe.
I cannot go «home». My home is planet Earth, location indeterminate.
Bonne journée madame.
Are you 20 today. What about three years ago when you posted as Ottomanboi?
I do not run a brothel so you can quit calling me madame.
Where is your home? Where do you live at the moment? I’m sure if you got in touch with the UK Gov they might be happy to help you out or find you a new home. Fancy Rwanda?
How do you know that many on here haven’t grown up in a war torn scenario for years?
How many years did you spend in the war torn scenario. Details please.
PS We here in Scotland cannot do a solitary thing to help you. Sorry Scotland is just a colony we are helpless we don’t even have a place we can call home.
We tried to help we marched in our millions to try to stop the war.
PPS Could you be clearer as to what you want from this forum?
Do you just want to chat with ‘The Cunts?’
If you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows
Ruby
8 months ago
dasBlimp
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 11:38 am
You spelt “Thpptphtphphhph” wrong.
Ah bless your heart! There’s still hope for you yet.
That comment made me laugh!
Keep doing that and I’ll promote you from being a ‘fat cunt’ to a ‘good cunt’
Mac
8 months ago
Links to Craig Murray starting to appear on quite a few websites I frequent… good move, this is the way to go IMHO.
I think he will be VERY popular and it will make it much harder for them to stitch him up (again).
On this one with Ray McGovern and Mercouris and another geezer (Francis Boyle I think). Good analysis of the outcome of the ICJ and other related matters.
This is very silly: “Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities…”
Do I need to remind Ellis what support for independence was sitting at a year or two before 2014? It’s was less than 30-35%.
Incidentally, the SNP membership has always been quite divided on NATO, primarily because joining NATO is essentially an endorsement of nuclear weapons which the Scottish public and civil society are (or ant least were) against. You really should look into things before shooting your mouth off.
There’s very little in terms of polls and data to make a judgement on when it comes to Scottish public opinion and NATO. That in itself is probably a good indication that public opinion is at odds with the overlords.
We can guess that support for NATO has risen recently in response to the anti-Russian propaganda, it would be shocking if it hadn’t given the intensity of the onslaught, but these are shifting sands.
NATO is a US foreign policy tool and its primary purpose is to keep Western Europeans in line, not Russians. The EU needs to build its own integrated defence and military alliance.
The best way to find out where people stand on issues is through healthy discussion and debate. And we know that opinion changes through open debate (Scottish independence, Brexit, Trump, Gaza, being obvious examples).
It’s noteworthy that so many, like Ellis, are determined to prevent open debate these days, preferring to just shout people down and tell them what they should think.
If this democracy, I want my money back.
Mac
8 months ago
I am not even sure it is ‘two’ Goldfish Johnlm…
I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.
So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.
Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves… it is very sad way to make a living if so. I have seen them on other sites and there is sameness about them.
Not much you can do about it IMHO other than ignore. And that really does work but it takes time to work. I have lost count of the number of folk on here imploring others to ignore them but to no avail.
So it is what it is. Time to go enjoy Sunday.
David Hannah
8 months ago
SNP now forging documents. Confirmed fraud released to newspaper the Sunday Mail.
Dorothy Bain will be working overtime this weekend to cover everything up.
Won’t you Dorothy? She’s covering everything up. She’s a fraud. She’s a chalatan. And she’s bend Corrupt Lord Advocate. Aren’t you Dorothy.
The protector of the cabal?
Time for the national crime agency to huckle every one of you.
You’re all a disgrace to your offices.
David Hannah
8 months ago
When the Scottish cops fail to produce charges.
We must go above the lord advocate.
The British national crime agency. Is above the cops.
Someone get them on the phone.
Confirmed fraud. As revealed by the Sunday Mail (Daily Record).
And yet no charges have been brought.
This doesn’t look good. Does it Dorothy Bain?
It doesn’t look good for you.
It doesn’t look good for police Scotland.
And the SNP now will absolutely face complete and absolute annihilation. A party of fraudsters.
Hatuey
8 months ago
What’s worse, paltering or lying; “The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement…”
To be clear, I said the electoral success of the SNP in 2007 and 2011 was largely attributable to a backlash against Blair and the Iraq War. Everybody knows it’s true. The SNP lost seats between 1999 and 2003. There’s no way they would have won in 2007 (by one seat) if it hadn’t been for the anti-war stance on Iraq.
In turn, based on that success, Salmond secured the 2014 referendum from which the independence movement we know today sprang.
Thus, we are probably only here talking about these things here because of the Iraq War.
Criticising Salmond’s stance on Yugoslavia is deflection from his anti-war stance on Iraq which was pivotal to SNP success. I don’t know why you would want to do that unless it was your goal to traduce Salmond, and that would be an odd thing for an Alba member to do.
Ruby
8 months ago
Johnlm
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 12:01 pm
Ellis talking to Main.
It’s like two goldfish having a conversation.
Goldfish swim around making not a sound. If only!
I think they are more like two parrots.
Johnny Parrot says: Andy Parrot is a pretty boy. Pretty boy Andy Parrot
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! Show parrot money! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Andy Parrot says: Johnny Parrot very pretty boy! Pretty boy. Johnny Boy
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! Nutters! SQUAWK! Fringe Nutters SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Cunt calling! Cunt calling! Cunt calling! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Ooops I nearly forgot about Chastitty Parrot.
I’ll include her more in the next chapter.
She’s very flamboyant she’s a transgender parrot!
Bigot! Bigot! Bigot! Fuckin’ Terfs
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Hatuey
8 months ago
Can you imagine how out of place you’d feel if you were a member of Alba who wanted to impress people with pro-Zionist, pro-US, pro-WWIII, pro-NATO views right now?
If Ellis really is a fish, he’s well out of water.
Dorothy Devine
8 months ago
David Hannah , you are making me wish she wasn’t called Dorothy!
Ruby
8 months ago
OK that’s enough research into ‘Cuntology’ for today. I should be getting my PHD in Cuntology soon from the ‘The BTL University of Wings’
Just before I go anyone know
what a Catfish Cunt is?
«NATO has helped advance freedom and democracy in key regions of interest to the United States, thereby also advancing a key US strategic interest: promoting US values among friends, allies, and potential adversaries»
Promoting US values, at least they are honest about that, if not somewhat «adolescent».in tone.
Anton Decadent
8 months ago
With regard to internet censorship about two years ago DuckDuckGo announced that it was no longer going to show search results which it deemed harmful which basically meant anything which contained information which the sites owners did not want the general public to know about.
I was on a couple of dating sites and despite having my search radius set to Glasgow or within a five mile radius of I was continuously matched with women in Africa and/or Asia and appear to have no means of changing this. I would also be matched with ugly men in wigs and the site said that any complaint about this would be binned and that repeat complaints would lead to deletion of account for transphobia. I went and looked up who owned these sites and was surprised to find yet another coincidence.
Over at the foreign owned Herald its latest activist embedded as a politician/scribbler is a “refugee” Glasgow based SNP councillor. If you are not starting to notice patterns you are not paying attention.
With regard to Yugoslavia look up Madeline Albright, who did not know that she was Jewish, apparently, and who advocated bombing the shit out of the country. Sometimes the Guardian let’s things slip and in a piece on Yugoslavia about two years ago it mentioned how the Serbs made up something like 24% of the demographic and Muslims made up 15% but that less than two generations later the Serbs found themselves in a shrinking minority and that was when things kicked off. I watched a talk which was being given by what had been the Canadian ambassador to what had been Yugoslavia and he said that a ceasefire and peace agreement had been reached and was about to be ratified when the Clinton administration contacted the Kosovans and told them to declare UDI and that the US would immediately recognise it and support and arm them and that this continued the war for over a year.
I was looking up maps of demographics in what was Yugoslavia and some of the areas which had been granted to the Serbs were marked as no longer populated by them, they appeared to be being drawn back centrally from the areas which they had been assigned by the peace accord. The areas they had been in were marked as unknown population makeup which seemed a bit haphazard.
Just before her death I read up on Albright and she had formed a conglomerate with Jacob Rothschild and George Soros with the aim of buying every single mobile phone mast in Africa.
With regard to BTL, there are, imo, a couple of people using the racism card in a mirror image of how the anti semitisim card is played.
@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.
Towbar Sullivan
8 months ago
God almighty, is McGammon STILL here!
Geri
8 months ago
Ellis
***As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.***
Ireland. Sweden. Nice to know Iceland do the same. Alien to you I’m sure cause you seem to be an idiot follower, not a leader. A narcissist who seeks no one else’s opinion but your own.
In A NORMAL, independent, democratic country -government seek public opinion on important matters & hold such things as open forums to present FACTS & with clear campaigning especially on contentious issues. Wasn’t that the YES campaign I’ve just described?
NATO, like everything else in this shite hole union, is NOT given full publicity on the BCC & especially not when they fck up. For example, are the public aware it’s broken international laws, only follows orders from the yanks & has it’s own political leaders that defy the united nations? I certainly didn’t a few years ago. It is also a nuclear alliance. It’d have no bother dumping nukes as the yanks have done so before. Or the illegal weapons they used in Iraq.
Public awareness is a wonderful thing. Let’s have a referendum eh!!! Because for all your bluster you dunno wtf Scotland thinks, on any subject. A Yougov poll isn’t, from a few random, isn’t conclusive proof of anything.
Police investigating claims of ‘forged signatures’ on SNP documents
Republicofscotland
8 months ago
“@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.”
No need for the apology, we all get a wee bit heated now and then, you might no see this reply I think I might be under moderation.
The Flying Iron of Doom
8 months ago
Breeks says:
28 January, 2024 at 5:53 am
Try Googling Ruskia Today and see where it gets you. A white blackout.
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second. There’s also a link to the RT Twitter/X/whatever. In any case yer Iron recommends that everyone has as little to do with Google as possible since they have turned into a controller shower of arseholes. Remember 20-25 years ago when their motto was, “Don’t be evil”? Alas in this world, some people really do become the thing they hate…
Hatuey
8 months ago
I didn’t know this was legal or allowed;
“It has emerged Yousaf requested a private off-diary meeting with the Chief Constable of Police Scotland before Sturgeon’s house was raided by fraud detectives. The “one to one” with Sir Iain Livingstone took place on March 31 – just two days after Yousaf became First Minister.
“The meeting is not mentioned in Yousaf’s official diary but papers released via Freedom of Information show his staff requested the summit but declined to say what he wanted to discuss. Police are also investigating more than 1000 alleged instances of fraud. An Amazon account used to buy everyday items is being probed.”
From the Sunday Mail article Ruby linked to above.
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@Geri 1.39pm
I’m interested in places that have actually used such a system and then seen the recommendations through to them becoming policy and being enacted. I’m certainly open to persuasion that it’s potentially a useful tool and perhaps even necessary. I know the Icelanders used a similar method to try and agree a new constitution a few years ago, but it was never enacted I seem to recall.
you seem intent on inferring as a result of some perfectly reasonable questions that I’m fundamentally opposed: I’m not, just sceptical that it would work without evidence to the contrary. Using a citizens assembly to discuss whether to join NATO or the EU, or for any other major issues is certainly feasible.
In the end are the issues decided in such assemblies, or referred for ultimate decisions to referendums? Or are they then passed on to parliament to decide since the parties in them are (presumably?) elected on platforms which may agree with the recommendations, or may not.
The Yes campaign was seen as a real positive by most people, but obviously not all, and I don’t really think it’s comparable with the kind of citizens assembly you seem to be advocating. As I pointed out elsewhere, presumably such assemblies are supposed to be representative of the whole of Scots society, so post indy they will contain a cross section including right of centre voters.
Virtually all similar small European neighbours have conservative and / or Christian Democratic movements, and centrist liberals who make up a significant proportion of the electorate. It’s hardly likely a post independence Scottish electorate will be significantly different, even if there is a “natural” built in left of centre majority in comparison with (say) the current UK.
I don’t really buy the line that Scots are so doon hauden (to use one Alf’s favourite phrases) that they don’t know what’s going because the MSM is rigged or biased. It seems to me to remove agency from them, or more to the point allow them to blame others for their own lack of courage or political will. Of course, it’s much easier to construct a scenario where a big bot did it and ran away, than admit that Scots are just to feart, or too easily led, to put an “x” on a ballot paper.
You’re right of course, a single poll doesn’t prove much. a series of polls saying the same thing IS instructive however. As Rev Stu never tires of pointing out, folk always take issue with polls that don’t tell them what they want to hear.
Polls can’t prove that Scots will support NATO and the EU post independence, neither can they prove the opposite. It is however a brave person who is prepared to say that on the basis of current opinion, the likelihood is that the current supermajorities in favour of both are somehow going to be changed. Not impossible, just fairly improbable.
You’re free to disagree of course, nobody is stopping you: despite your rather desperate attempts to say I’m only interested in my own opinion or that it’s narcissistic. In fact I find the intellectual and political summersaults some people are prepared to perform endlessly fascinating: it’s just that I’m not obliged to take them remotely seriously, nor is it impermissible to to point and laugh at such folk because I think their take on life, the universe and everything is fairly sophomoric.
Doubtless both they and I will survive and get on with our lives.
Breeks
8 months ago
The Flying Iron of Doom
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 4:25 pm
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second….
Follow the link. 😉
Dan
8 months ago
Not that anyone probably gives a shit on Wings over Scotland The Middle East these days.
Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.
For comparison.
The overall generation figures from 14th June 2023 to 27 January 2024 on the two shitty installations I mentioned were – 290 and 170KWhs.
Figures for a properly thought out 3.8KW system installed on a family member’s property.
From June 2023 to Dec 2024 – 2300KWhs (the annual figure for this system over last year was just shy of 4000KWhs).
Those generation figures for the badly installed systems are absolutely horrendous, and when you consider the small amount of electrical power they have generated and those units monetary value, it will take a very long time for the system to get close to any return on investment.
Stoker
8 months ago
Mac says on 28 January 2024 at 12:34 pm:
“I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.”
“So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.”
I often ponder the same thoughts, Mac. There are those who claim to be indy supporters yet seem to spend a lot of their time sitting on here attacking the beliefs of other indy supporters. Why? And if those beliefs they are attacking are as unpopular as they would have everyone believe then why the need to spend all day every day ridiculing those folk and their beliefs?
One of them even claimed to have a military background so you would have thought they, of all people, would know who the real enemy was, wouldn’t you? And i don’t agree with much of those being attacked but neither do i feel the need to pick on them and/or their beliefs.
I guess i can’t get my head around why someone who claims to be pro-indy prefers to waste their own time disrupting these WOS threads by attacking other indy supporters rather than go and frequent the btl threads of the Unionist online newspapers, where most of the Unionist “activists” loiter. That’s where you get to challenge Unionist policies etc.
To me it looks like those doing it are either one of the following, or a combination of the following:
(1) – Narcissists more interested in grandstanding their own perceived greatness. If i were chocolate i’d eat myself sort of thing.
(2) – They are BritNat Unionists masquerading as pro-indy.
(3) – And following on from No2 above but not necessarily the same thing, they are Unionist Trolls.
Mac also said: “Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves…”
And you can take that to the bank, Mac. That’s a dead cert. You only need to look back over the last 3 or 4(?) btl threads and you will find the most blatant, laughable effort yet. You see the comment being posted from a username never seen on here before and within no time at all you see one of the usual suspects quickly appear under his usual Monika responding to the “mystery name” An even bigger giveaway is the utter bullshit in that response. Almost as if he’d created the other account to help him promote his own grandstanding greatness. Have to say, i find it as funny as f@ck. A modern political Del Boy. A chancer and conman. LOL!
Dan
8 months ago
Typo!
That should be:
“From June 2023 to Dec 2023” not Dec 2024…
Breeks
8 months ago
Dan
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 5:13 pm
Not that anyone probably gives a shit on Wings over Scotland The Middle East these days.
Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.
I recall something similar with regards smoking… Going back maybe 25 years, there was a Hypnosis Franchise (Alan Carr maybe?) which boasted a 96% success rate getting people to stop smoking instantly, and never smoke again. In my own personal experience, there’s a 100% success rate. No withdrawal symptoms, no weaning off ciggies, 40+ a day to 0, no preachy attitudes towards other smokers, frankly, no downside whatsoever. Just flicked a switch in my head.
So why, with this miracle on their doorstep, did the NHS start offering everybody Nicotine patches? You have a veritable cure, no side effects, versus simply changing the method of narcotic delivery, so yeah, let’s ridicule the former and throw money at the latter. Never mind the money, just think of all the human misery.
Far as I know, that’s still happening. I don’t really keep up since I haven’t had the remotest urge to smoke in around 28 years. But hey, there’s no proof it works – is there?
Geoff Anderson
8 months ago
Sturgeon created a mini UK in Holyrood. Money intended to help children flowed to Consultants instead link to robinmcalpine.org
Geri
8 months ago
Ellis
They worked in Ireland on the very contentious subject of abortion rights. Salmond put forward it could work with Trans rights too – they’re entitled to rights but NOT at the expense of others. They shouldn’t be in prisons either.
An assembly finding common ground on a contentious topic can reach compromise.
As for it working post indy – that is exactly what popular Sovereignty is. People power.
We also can take reference from the many excellent speakers & events during indyref. Informing the public before an important vote on the matter. NATO would be no different & neither would EU who actually insist on it prior to joining. As I’ve repeatedly reminded Genocide John – the EU insist on a public referendum & everyone is onboard first.
A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying because, as pointed out by the Supreme Court Ruling, Scottish independence would have serious consequences for the remaining Union who would ALSO have to renegotiate it’s own entry & application to International organisations with it’s brand new status too.
As Hatuey says – your pro EU, Pro NATO expansion (beyond it’s initial remit & now world police on just *suspected to happen* crimes, Pro WW3, Pro Yank, Pro Nukes, Pro I*rael, Pro 404, Ruskiephobia seems at odds with Alba for you to be “a founding member”
I think yer in the wrong party.
Dan
8 months ago
In an attempt to drag at least some discussion back onto Scottish matters where we actually should have the power to sort stuff out, rather than seemingly endless waxing lyrical on international matters which we can’t do anything about….
Linking back to this post from last September which mentions the dodgy solar installs, but also contains a link to another post re. local bus services.
So months on through winter (that’s winter when trees are dormant so ideal time for pruning…).
Well, I was speaking to local resident affected by this bus service issue this morning and learnt that it is still ongoing and they have contacted their MSP. Why the heck should they need to involve this level of political representative to sort this out.
Are the local council and 3 Councillors for the ward so utterly incompetent or lacking in power that they can’t manage to cut, or instruct the land owner to cut the overhanging branches that are interfering with road traffic which would clear the obstructions and thus allow the buses to travel along the road without getting the windows smashed.
Chas
8 months ago
I have not been keeping up to date with the various conflicts going on around the world at present and thought it would be a good idea to find out what is going on.
Thankfully there is no need to trawl through the multitude of media outlets to ascertain the facts. A quick look at the comments section on ‘Wings’, with its’ world renowned experts on EVERYTHING, is all anybody really needs. I am always humbled by the extensive knowledge that they possess.
I understand that Ruby had to visit the shop, where she got a scarf for Christmas, with a view to exchanging it. Apparently the one she got was too tight……………
Dan
8 months ago
@ Breeks
Ach give it a few years and they’ll be back to promoting smoking natural “analogue” tobacco ciggies to wean folk off toxic “digital” vapes.
The Woody Allen film Sleeper foresaw this.
1 min clip.
Fair play on switching off the demon crave monster.
My Dad & Brother did the exact same. No gizmos. Just stopped.
My other brother, stressful job, just can’t do it. Even with a bypass late last year the crave was driving him mental.
Anyhoo, yes, they still give the patches, gum, inhaler etc over 12 weeks I think? Prescriptions on the NHS as over the counter is a packet!
The next big bucks is the new fat busting injections. Coming to an NHS soon no doubt.
John Main
8 months ago
Stoker
I’m a Scot. I live in Scotland. I’m a Scotland supporter. My family on both sides are Scots for as many generations as I have investigated.
I’m one of these Sovereign Scots some regulars like to post about. My say is of equal weight to the say of every other Sovereign Scot, whether that suits you or not.
The wider Indy movement, as represented by their tribal brand of choice, the SNP, has right royally fecked over my nation, and trampled all over my sovereignty, my interests, and my prosperity. I’m angry, and the intellectual lightweights and dishonest troublemakers infesting the BTL comments aren’t going to get a free ride to turn my country into any more of an international laughing stock than it is already.
As Hatuey was pointing out just the other day, rational, sane, responsible people read the comments on here. Many of these comments are a disgrace. Many of them are a tissue of lies. Many of them would be a real cause for concern to the commenter’s friends and family if spoken in public.
I’m trying to do what I can to counter the worst excesses of the troublesome and the troubled. If you really believe just leaving some of the effluent on here unchallenged is best for Scotland, then let me tell you – you’re wrong.
Geri
8 months ago
Dan
Good grief!
They get a bigger bus that has to go around a bridge to avoid cutting a few tree branches off?
That’s insane.
John Main
8 months ago
Chas
And Geri will be suing ScotGov and the SNP soon, for continually telling the Scottish people that if we do vote for Indy, no further vote on EU membership will be required, cos the first implies and guarantees the second.
Haha, I crack me up.
Geri wants back in the EU, and will tell any lie, no matter how brazen, or contradicted by facts, to get her way. Maybes she believes all of our internets are being censored, so we can’t work out the truth. Maybes she’s one of those pro-EU carpet baggers using Indy as a stepping stone to her real objective.
Maybes she’s just another “proud, patriotic Scot” who can’t wait to feck off out of the place at the first opportunity. Yay! EU freedom of movement! So long suckers!”
twathater
8 months ago
@ Ruby thanks for the link @ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming
As has been pointed out it seems very opportunistic that sturgeon just happened to absent herself when the police EVENTUALLY found the time to conduct a search of chez sturrell thereby negating the ability of our wondrous MSM and broadcasters to doorstep her
And all of a sudden after almost 2 years of investigation we have our ever vigilant police force in collusion with the forensic investigative world renowned journalism of the daily redcoat revealing publicly to much acclaim that some signatures MAY have been forged, I wonder whose signatures have maybe been forged, could this be another line of defence ,could maybe wee petey be being set up as the fall guy, or is Colin being set up to take the fall, or is honest John throwing himself on the fire to protect his great love, but we all know who will NOT be fingered ( no pun intended)
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@Geri
A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying
I implied no such thing, you merely assumed it. Happy to help.
I wouldn’t know what Hatuey says unless others refer to him.
Perhaps my views on NATO and the EU are the minority in Alba. I can live with that. I think they’re the only really compelling pro-indy force at present, but they’re unlikely to make much progress until the SNP implode IMHO.
I doubt I’d stay in the party if adopted a specifically anti NATo and anti-EU stance, but like a lot of other party members, I don’t think it’s necessary to be absolutely aligned on every policy.
I imagine post indy there will be other parties, and given the current general views of “mainstream” Scots, I’m pretty sure there will be a left of centre party which is pro NATO and pro EU> At least it will be unlikely to contain some of the usual suspects from here which would be a relief.
John Main
8 months ago
Hatuey at 12:27 may really believe that support for NATO has arisen because of anti-Russti propaganda.
That’s what he posts at any rate.
Hard to imagine more effective anti-Russti propaganda than the exhumation of the torture victims and the summarily executed from the mass graves, wherever the Russtis are forced to abandon areas they previously overran.
Although the thousands of documented cases of babies, infants and kids, kidnapped from their birth families and farmed out for adoption in Russtiland runs it a close second.
The west should stop reporting this stuff – it’s giving the Russtis a bad name!
Tell you what you should do, Hatuey. Hit us with some positive, good news stories from the latest territory to fall under the Russti imperialist expansion. Or from some of the still-free places on the receiving end of their rockets, drones, bombs and ballistic missiles.
Don’t leave us waiting too long. The anti-Russti propaganda has us in its grip!
Geri
8 months ago
Genocide John.
I’ve repeatedly made clear that an EU referendum is mandatory on application. I dunno what other way you need it explained. To join the bloc a country needs to hold an EU ref.
You also assume, wrongly, that the SNP would be the new governing party post indy. How stupid can you be? The SNP won’t even be in charge at the next election never mind post indy.
Why don’t you jog on Tory boy. No one btl needs you putting anyone bang to rights on yer endless bullshit.
As Hatuey said the other day, knuckle draggers don’t seem to know they’re knuckle draggers.
You crack yourself up? That I believe 100%. Do you rock back & fourth too waiting on replies?
Dan
8 months ago
@ Geri
Aye, the bus takes an alternate route down dual carriageway now, so several small rural communities on the local road lose service.
The son has to nip away from his work at piece break, head home and pick up his elderly mother to take her down to local town a few miles down the road for a class she holds for other residents in the community.
Absolutely unbelievable that this hasn’t been resolved in months. The bus company would generate a little more revenue from fares if the service passed by these small communities rather than bypass them going down the dual carriageway. Not a lot, maybe, but her fare would at least cover the fuel used by the bus on that 5 mile section of road.
I went into the local council roads dept a few months back and mentioned this issue. Got some lame answer like it was difficult to identify and contact the landowners. But that’s utter bullshit though as it’s the same large estate landowner it’s been for decades on this particular section of road.
Geri
8 months ago
Twathater
**@ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming**
Official business should be conducted in the official residence/Holyrood office & minutes recorded.
Dumbza should watch out. Next we’ll be having another batch of alphabetties claiming all sorts. Isn’t that what Sturgeon did when Salmond arrived for a visit at her home?
Stinks to high heaven if it’s true.
Ebok
8 months ago
Dan @ 5.55pm
‘So many councils across Scotland seem to have lost the plot on what should be their priorities’ (Sept)
At one of the Wee Alba Book events I attended, Alex Salmond said that 95% of the electorate has no interest in politics. This is probably a fair assessment … and the reason politicians have carte blanche to rule as they see fit for a minimum of 5 years.
The 95% that Alex referred to probably rises to more than 99% at council level. Even on Wings, where readers and contributors do have an interest, I’d guess that few could name even 1 of their 4 ward reps.
Few would know the relationship between elected councillors and appointed executives, how executives are appointed and by whom, or who decides on expenditure.
And yet council issues have a greater and more easily understood affect on most folk. Councillors are easier to contact, and more likely to be local: you wouldn’t have a Glasgow councillor living in Dundee, for instance, if you get my drift.
Yet many dismiss local elections, don’t ever consider voting, and most of those that do vote blindly place an ‘x’ alongside their fav. party, missing a golden opportunity to dismantle the party system locally by choosing an independent candidate.
If this gained some traction at local level, there’d be greater accountability, better services, and who is to say that it wouldn’t catch on nationally?
Hatuey
8 months ago
Oh no, John Main, not another baby-killer argument. Like clockwork, every single time they want us to attack someone, people like you fall for stories about babies being tortured and/or killed.
It happened during in WWI;
“One investigation report said that they were given six addresses where Belgian babies’ hands were chopped off, but upon visiting the sites, no such evidence was found.”
It happened in the run-up to the first Gulf War in Kuwait;
“A number of human rights organizations say their investigations do not support it. Amnesty International, for instance, said its inquiries in April, 1991, shortly after the Gulf War ended, “found no reliable evidence that Iraqi forces had caused the deaths of babies by removing them or ordering their removal from incubators.””
“subsequent reports revealed that no such beheadings have been verified by any Israeli or international source – probably because they never happened. This was just one dramatic incident of false reports spreading in the public sphere via mass media to denigrate one’s foes…”
And now we are told it’s Vlad who is at it… there’s countless other examples in history of this sort of propaganda.
In other real world news, we now know and it’s been confirmed by several respected Aid agencies that several thousand totally innocent children have been killed in the latest Israeli “war” on Gaza.
And then there’s this old chestnut;
“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima,” Stahl said. “And, you know, is the price worth it?”
“I think that is a very hard choice,” Albright answered, “but the price, we think, the price is worth it.””
How come you only seem to care about children when you are arguing that we should attack someone? How come you don’t seem to care about the children our policies harm? And why do you and people like you repeatedly fall for this sort of crap?
Who says they wouldn’t be going to work? They can work perfectly well from their consistency office can they not?
So basically it’s just more of the same.
Re the oath & they *really wouldn’t mean it* would be the gift that keeps on giving as yoons & media give them pelters at every opportunity of what else they didn’t really mean in parliament.
Jeez…
Merganser
8 months ago
Hatuey @ 4.31.
Re the meeting between Humza and the Chief Constable on the 31st March last year.
I have read the newspaper article and have tried to find the FOI response which gave the information reported, but without success.
Do you know (or anyone else – the Rev. perhaps) where I can find this response on the official FOI site?
This is a very curious revelation which sets off alarm bells. It needs further investigation.
Geri
8 months ago
Hatuey
It’s a britnat thing.
If it’s not dead babies it’s a good ole sex scandal raping them.
They’re not right in the head.
Anyone would have thought the *shock & awe* reaction would’ve worn off at least by the third outing of the same story/different country by now. Whoever thinks that’s a good propaganda story back at propaganda HQ is obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies.
Shug
8 months ago
I see Mackay has a real funny article in the herald saying the Russians support indy. Funny he missed Cameron standing with Putin or Johnstone partying with them and promoting them to the house of lords.
And they get an award for journalism. You could not make this shit up
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
NATO meaning
Not AlTogether Organised in the event of an all out strike but hey is this a cushy number or what. I get my own penthouse an all FAB!
Hatuey
8 months ago
Merganser, I believe this may be the information you are looking for; link to gov.scot
Click the links to appendices. And please let us know if you find anything of public interest.
Chas
8 months ago
John Main
You do realise that a lot of the all too regular posters on here, was going to name some ‘names’ but decided against it, are far more ‘Scottish’ than you, me and a few others who regularly question a lot of their posts.
Being born and bred in Scotland, with family links going back for generations, is immaterial to them. In their minds, and their minds only, the true test of being a Scot and an Independence supporter is to want Independence tomorrow, with no idea of what that would actually entail. I often wonder how they reconcile their fervour for Independence with those individuals posting on the Wee Ginger Dug site? Both apparently want the same thing yet are the polar opposites in agreeing on who would form a Government. The only other thing they have in common is the hatred of anything English.
Bunter got approx 40% of the vote in the last GE which gave him a landslide. SNP got approx 32% in Scotland, which give them 50+ MP’s to effectively achieve nothing of note. Our electoral voting system has not changed for donkey’s years but Scotland, the UK, indeed the world has changed beyond all recognition. I am not sure if PR is the answer but something surely has to change. The sad thing is that is not in the best interest of the two main Political Parties to change anything.The Scottish Electoral system is also seriously flawed when we have two loons, as Government Ministers, who nobody voted for, but, we all know why they are there!
The outlook is not particularly rosy.
Hatuey
8 months ago
Merg, I did post a link for you to the FOI requests and responses but for some reason it has not shown… maybe it will appear at some point.
Ruby
8 months ago
Ebok
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 7:01 pm
At one of the Wee Alba Book events I attended, Alex Salmond said that 95% of the electorate has no interest in politics. This is probably a fair assessment … and the reason politicians have carte blanche to rule as they see fit for a minimum of 5 years.
The 95% that Alex referred to probably rises to more than 99% at council level.
Would that not be down to the fact that we are a colony?
Also that people believe the councillors are corrupt.
I have often heard people use the term ‘broon envelopes’
and also have no faith in the council doing anything right.
I became interested in politics when the possibility of independence was on the table.
During that time there were a lot more than 5% of the electorate interested in politics. It was all people were talking about for 2-3 years.
Prior to that I just thought one lot got in ie Labour and they mucked up then the other lot got in ie Tories and they mucked up so on an so forth.
Were it not for ‘Women’s Rights’ being in jeopardy I would probably be as switched off as I were prior to the IndyRef debate.
It would be very hard to get people interested in politics at this point in time.
people like you fall for stories about babies being tortured and/or killed
Aw naw! How can I be so dense?
WW1 – “no such evidence was found.” Cool, just a story then.
first Gulf War in Kuwait – “found no reliable evidence.” Cool, another story.
It seems to have just happened in Israel – “no such beheadings.” Whew, yet another story – that’s a relief. Warning bells sounding over the weasel word “seems” though. That word usually marks a lie by the user.
“And now we are told it’s Vlad who is at it.” You reckon he’s not? Why has the ICC issued arrest warrants for the crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas?
Oh wait, you say that’s just a story – relief!
“several thousand totally innocent children have been killed in the latest Israeli “war” on Gaza”.
Ah c’mon now Ted. You’ve “proved” these other ones are all just stories. Where’s your proof of this one then? Testimony from the terrorists staffing UNRWA?
“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died”
Soz an all that, Hats, but you don’t get to string together a bunch of anecdotes, then claim some of them are all lies, and some of them are gospel truths, but only the ones you want to get exercised about are the gospel truth ones. Awa an educate yersel.
And take a wee look in the mirror the next time you want to pontificate about eejits falling for made-up propaganda.
I feel desperately sorry for any cause relying on you to help it out. Cos you’re a consummate dunderheid who tarnishes every cause you try to support.
Hatuey
8 months ago
Merganser, I did post what I think are links to the FOI requests and response from ScotGov but for some reason they aren’t publishing.
It’s a conspiracy, of course, you’re all in on it, even Wings…
Ruby
8 months ago
The thing about the internet is you can be anything you want to be.
Well you can for a short time and then your posts give you away and others start to suspect you are a fake.
Hatuey
8 months ago
Oh God, they’re not only claiming to be proud of something they had no role or say in, where they happened to be born, they’re now taking pride in where their ancestors happened to be born… down the blood and soil rabbit hole we go.
Speaking of soil, do you know if you go back into your genes far enough, you will find you are related to dandelions? Don’t get upset, we all are. We are related to every living thing.
I wonder if dandelions suffer from pride…
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@Geri 6.51pm
I’ve repeatedly made clear that an EU referendum is mandatory on application. I dunno what other way you need it explained. To join the bloc a country needs to hold an EU ref.
You’re wrong. It’s not required for a country to become a member or for the accession process.
John Main
8 months ago
@Geri says: 28 January, 2024 at 8:23 pm
obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies
That’s a grand post, a shrewd observation, and a sure-fire vote winner. Did you feel the rapture there, Geri? That was a surge in Indy support, arising from your post.
And you know what? It wasn’t just a surge in support from the heid-the-ba’s either. It was the university educated, the cosmopolitan, the deep thinkers, the politically and economically astute, the movers and shakers, the great and the good, industrialists, bishops, savants, sages, the high IQ people, the savvy billionaires, who suddenly recognised the cogency of your case for Indy:
obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies
Bravo, Geri!
Anton Decadent
8 months ago
@Dan, I not only read your post but spoke to someone in the real world about it over the weekend re the lack of generated power and ill thought installation.
Ruby
8 months ago
Chas
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 8:40 pm
John Main
You do realise that a lot of the all too regular posters on here, was going to name some ‘names’ but decided against it, are far more ‘Scottish’ than you, me and a few others who regularly question a lot of their posts.
Why don’t you name names? Is it because you can’t?
There are not that many people posting here. Who are these regular posters, usual suspects, fringe nutters that you cunts refer to on a regular basis?
I interpret all these names as meaning ‘independence supporters’ and that you hate independence supporters. All All this ‘show us the money’ guff is all straight out of your ‘Better Together Handbook’
You will need to be more precise otherwise you are just seen as a squawking parrot
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
Johnny Parrot pretty boy! Usual suspects, Usual suspects, Usual suspects Johnny Parrot Clever Boy
fringe nutters Show me the money, Show me the money, Better Together Better Together
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
How about you go away and write something new not the same mince that you have been spamming for the last three years and see if you can convince me you are not a hard core Unionist coming on here to cause trouble.
Nobody has questioned whether you are Scottish or not. There are plenty Scottish Unionists but like you they are British first.
You can name me any time you like but before you do let me tell you that I’ve heard it all before.
Mark Beggan
8 months ago
Mark Beggan would like to thank the good Rev Campbell… well thanks for the foundation of truthful journalism.
Brian Doonthetoon
8 months ago
Hatuey –
You’re too impatient. There can be an indeterminate delay before comment appear. You have to keep refreshing the page.
Not sure what to make of it. Humza obviously wanted a brief chat with the Chief Constable after a formal meeting. Could have been about anything – we’ll never know. It looks like a formal request was made, contrary to what the paper states. Even if formal notes were taken, reasons would be found for not releasing them.
It just looks suspicious in view of what happened a few days later.
Perhaps Humza just said ” Nicola sends her love”. Ha ha.
Ruby
8 months ago
Andy Ellis
Ignored
says:
28 January, 2024 at 9:09 pm
You’re wrong. It’s not required for a country to become a member or for the accession process.
Aye so you say Andy but I don’t believe a single word you write, nothing you write, nothing John Main writes and Chas well he’s just another Unionist who has recognised you two for what you are.
Can you name these usual suspects, fringe nutters, etc that you keep pontificating about?
As for TURABDIN I’ll wait to see his answers before deciding about him.
As it stands I’m suspicious.
Brian Doonthetoon
8 months ago
My last comment had a delay between 5 and 10 minutes before appearing.
David Hannah
8 months ago
It’s great to know there’s been confirmed fraud within the SNP.
Douglas Chapman was right all along…
This is why shifty Peter Murrell wasn’t letting him look at the cooked books.
Walter Scott. “Oh what a tangled Web we weave. When first we practice to deceive.”
I hope the press are viscous this week. Leaky Liz Lloyd has already washed her hands of Sturgeon. You’re on your own now nicola. A leapord doesn’t change its spots now after all.
Delighted with the confirmed fraud.
Charge them boys.
sarah
8 months ago
O/T: salmon farming firms taking Don Staniford to court to stop him paddling near their farms and taking videos in order to publicise the damage done to the fish and the environment. They want to stop ANYONE from coming close to their farms AND stop drones flying over i.e. its an attack on all of us.
Lawyers have worked 2 years pro bono on this man’s case but now for the Edinburgh High Court appearance he needs to pay a barrister so there’s a crowdfunder on crowdjustice.com:
“Help Expose the Welfare Nightmare of Salmon Farming!”
‘there was “no evidence that holding a Gender Recognition Certificate is exploited by predatory offenders.’
Sigh!
The Tory woman like Kemi Badenoch & Rishi Sunak are pretending the GRA 2004 is not part of UK legislation and they don’t believe men can change sex when the the UK legislation allows for precisely that.
Did we ever find out how the ‘trans paedo butcher’ got his black eye?
Hatuey
8 months ago
BDTT; “You’re too impatient.”
100% guilty. And I’m usually doing 10 things at once, all whilst smoking and drinking coffee.
Merganser, I’m not 100% certain the documents I linked to are the ones referred to in the newspaper… I’ve not had time to look closely and found them in a bit of a rush after a couple of searches – are we assuming they are?
Either way, you’re right. We will never know what they get up to, between their redactions, their deletions, and their generally secretive behaviour we have no chance.
You’ve got to assume that what we do know is only the tip of a massive iceberg, though.
John Main
8 months ago
@Andy Ellis 9:09
Geri is an expert on commercial aviation. We don’t know if she flies airliners, or is responsible for bolting on the false doors on the factory floor.
She also has an absolute fixation on getting us into the EU without a democratic mandate. To that end, she repeatedly lies about the SNP’s policy of using any future Indy referendum as a parallel referendum for EU membership. A twofer in other words. A vote for Indy will also count as a vote for joining the EU.
I recognise we don’t see eye-to-eye on iScotland’s relationship with the EU, but I do hope you will accept that we Sovereign Scot citizens of a future Independent Scotland should at least have the opportunity to assess the membership options on offer, before having a free and democratic vote on which we should accept, if any.
But if you don’t agree, I’ll try not to post a hysterical diatribe of potty mouthed insults back at you 🙂
John Main
8 months ago
BBC reporting an escaped monkey on the loose in Kincraig.
Anybody noticed if one of the usual suspects has been offline today?
Locals have been advised to hide all SNP badges. If the monkey manages to grab one, it could find itself immediately voted into HR.
And then residency of Bute House is only one fraudulently run election away …
Geri
8 months ago
Chas
**Bunter got approx 40% of the vote in the last GE which gave him a landslide. SNP got approx 32% in Scotland, which give them 50+ MP’s to effectively achieve nothing of note.**
The Scottish National Party (SNP) received the most votes (45%, up 8.1% from the previous election) and won 48[n 1] out of 59 seats—a gain of 13 over those won in 2017, and 81% of the Scottish seats in the House of Commons.[2]
Interesting innit. Bunter got less % but managed to pull off *the will of the ppl – Deal or no deal=shit deal* bullshit while Scotland was mocked & told to sit down & shut it about Indyref.
**Our electoral voting system has not changed for donkey’s years but Scotland, the UK, indeed the world has changed beyond all recognition. **
Make up yer mind. Are you Scottish or English? You seem upset Scotland actually did something about it & campaigned for change. Both for Holyrood & permanently through Indyref.
Blame naw voters – they fcked the vote to remain exactly the same & with absolutely fck all idea what that would entail or that of Brexit either.
**I am not sure if PR is the answer but something surely has to change. The sad thing is that is not in the best interest of the two main Political Parties to change anything.**
Then again, do something about it. Why be on an Indy site 24/7 posting how boring we all are. Get England to change. You can start by demanding yer own wee pretendy parliament & then we can all pour over their annual accounts of how pish poor they are. Jellied eels & Jam not exactly racking it in to pay for all the warring they do.
Go & get started. Campaign for English independence.
John Main
8 months ago
@Geri 11:56
Dinna fash, ye’re a long way from being boring. The very opposite in fact. I find you continually fascinating, approximately in inverse proportion to the level in your bottle.
And it’s “pore”, not “pour”. Haha, wee Freudian slip from you there, but again, dinna fash.
Shame yer internet is being censored by “them”. You could check this stuff out for yourself.
Geri
8 months ago
Genocide John.
The SNP is finished. Over. Finito.
Stop fapping over them. Sturgeon, Dumbza, the EU.
I doubt they’ll survive trannygate to be involved in anything at Holyrood ever again.
& I don’t get why you keep banging on about the EU. Most posts that I’ve read on here seem to be against full membership, at the very least until it gets it’s house in order. I have also said that I’d personally not rush into another union – so yet again you tell lies.
So calm yourself. Deep breaths. No one is dragging yer racist wee arse back there anytime soon are they? Fck me – the SNP couldn’t even secure a glorified opinion poll amongst it’s own citizens who gifted them various mandates, they’re hardly going to go all in & parachute ye intae the EU while you were busy reading up on mutilated babies that just so happen to be in ever Brit war ever started. Funny that innit?
Geri
8 months ago
Genocide Gaslighting John
I think you’ll be the one ending up censored if you keep it up.
I suggest you read the rules on correcting people’s grammar & spelling rather than sticking to the subject.
A classic trait by those who have fck all else to say but pick over other people’s grammar & typos on a regular basis.
Get a life.
Ruby
8 months ago
For goodness sake.
Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty is going on about ‘the usual suspects’
Oh and guess what else he’s on about?
Humza Yousaf and the fraudulent erection. SSDD!
And you know what it’s all your fault, yes you ‘usual suspects’ I’m looking at you. You should be doing something about the fraud in Bute House. You could at least stand for election or erection or something.
Do something you waste of space fringe nutters.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
Fringy fringy nutter Nutty nutty fringer
Fringy fringy nutter nutty cuuuuuuuunt.
Hoorah! Bravo! Guan yersel!
Hatuey
8 months ago
Quote of the day: “the SNP couldn’t even secure a glorified opinion poll amongst it’s own citizens who gifted them various mandates, they’re hardly going to go all in & parachute ye intae the EU while you were busy reading up on mutilated babies…”
Congratz Geri.
Heheheheeee
Geri
8 months ago
Hatuey
*Takes a bow* lol
Genocide John is bricking it incase he ends up back in the EU without his knowledge. The Dumbo doesn’t realise his beloved UK will probably be there afore us. They must surely miss being in the thick of it & meddling now that things are hoting up. Maybe Starmer will u turn & frighten the shite out of him lol.
Ruby..
Aye. You’d think these eejits would do something to force change. Scotland did. It isn’t our fault their union is shite – we told them it was. They do feck all about it.
The English are thick as mince. They could jettison the Royals & the two party state if they really, really, really wanted to. Jeez – they’re being restricted beyond belief by the Tories & Labour (who promise to change nothing )but that seems perfectly OK. As long as it’s not the pesky EU imposing their fictitious rules they’re happy for the Tories to do real ones in perpetuity.
All England had to do was protest for workers rights & down tools. Bring the country to a standstill. They couldn’t even do that & Tories changed the rules on voting, protest & crime including thought crime without so much as a squeak from any of them.
Yet here they are, on an Indy site, a site dedicated to change, telling us all where we’re going wrong, were anti English & it’s them who they voted Naw or live in the shite country that hold the power & do nothing with it.
You couldn’t make it up..
David Hannah
8 months ago
There’s a story on the Daily Express. Perhaps Ruby can archive it.
Homicide cops are to interview unite the unions and whistleblowing NHS nurse. Leslie Roberts.
You need to get Leslie Roberts on Wings Over Scotland. She’s making serious allegations and the police about the death protocol introduced by the NHS health boards.
Could this have something to do with whg Sturgeon’s deleted all her bleeding messages?
Leslie lost her relatives to covid. Was also
“She was a senior nurse with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde at the outset of the pandemic. Her original complaint centres on three main allegations – that ministers and officials broke the law by enforcing the infamous policy to clear space in hospitals by transferring elderly and infirm patients into care homes; that ministers and officials knew there were concerns about the efficacy of PPE including face masks, which didn’t provide adequate protection for NHS and social care workers; and that there was an increased use of Do Not Resuscitate orders, leading to unnecessary deaths and suffering.”
David Hannah
8 months ago
The Scottish Daily Express. Whistleblowing nurse Leslie Roberts. She’s making serious allegations.
The massive scale, corporate homicide investigation called operation Koper.
Officers from the Unresolved Homicide Investigation Team – West are searching for pandemic criminality as part of Operation Koper, set up to look into the care home deaths.
Someone needs to get this brave whistleblowing nurse on the phone now. The cops, are interviewing her. Scotland deserves to know, the details. Get her on the prism show. Tell Roddy. Get her on Wings Over Scotland.
Set the truth free brothers and, sisters.
Willie
8 months ago
Good suggestion about contacting Roddy MacLeod to have Leslie Roberts as a guest on the Prism show.
Through a Scottish Prism a a very well watched show now and gives great commentary on political developments.
Breeks
8 months ago
David Hannah
Ignored says:
29 January, 2024 at 3:31 am
The Scottish Daily Express. Whistleblowing nurse Leslie Roberts. She’s making serious allegations…
I’m no friend of Sturgeon, but the Daily Express is not a publication to take seriously, and Ms Robert’s precise credentials as a “whistleblower” need clarification.
As I understand it, Lesley Roberts, Rab Wilson and Roger Livermore made accusations of Corporate Manslaughter against the Scottish Government in March 23. Err, what were these public spirited individuals waiting for?
There “may” be an element of truth in some of it, I really don’t know, but it’s hard to be sure of anything beneath the overwhelming pungency of shit stirring, and serial shit stirring of all things Scottish where the Express is concerned.
Mind, given the dwindling readership of these Unionist rags, perhaps they can be excused for a degree of desperate sensationalism…. A drowning man and all that.
Personally, I just treat these publications like trolls and scroll on by. These days the “news” is generally found elsewhere… pretty much always.
Breeks
8 months ago
The one qualification I would make, in fairness to these “whistleblowers”, is the big problem with a corrupt mainstream media.
If you do have a genuine grievance, which rancid organisation do you go to for the necessary publicity? You’re kinda stuck, aren’t you?
Andy Ellis
8 months ago
@John Main 11.30pm
I’m reasonably agnostic about the EU, particularly after its behaviour during the Greek debt crisis and its worrying tendency to kowtow to repressive actors like the Spanish government in relation to Catalonia and to the populist governments in Poland and Hungary.
My personal views however are largely beside the point: all the available evidence suggests that post independence the overwhelming majority of Scots will still be supporting full membership.
Despite Geri’s airily given (and false) assertion that the EU insists on a referendum for a candidate country to join, it’s not an official EU rule either to join or to accede, although historically those applying for membership have done so.
I’d certainly expect there to be one for important matters like EU or NATO membership, or monarchy versus republic, but it wouldn’t be unheard of for such matters to just be voted for in parliament based on the platforms of the various parties: that what representative democracy usually entails after all. Doubtless that would send some of the usual suspects over the edge, or they’d be insisting it can only happen after a Citizen’s Assembly or some form of direct democracy.
After all, it’s not as if a population have ever voted for something as self-harming as leaving the EU is it?
Oh….wait…
sam
8 months ago
@Ruby
“I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.”
Isn’t that a line in a Simon and Garfunkel song?
Tomorrah is the anniversary of the day when a young woman in the HoC gubbed a gubmint Minister for lying to cover up moiders. That should be de rigueur, n’est ce pas? With clubs.For lying.
John Main
8 months ago
Sam
Not many of the regulars on here would avoid being clubbed then, would they?
This place would be like an ice flow shortly after a visit by Japanese sealers.
But let’s cut to the big story galvanising Scotland this morning. Are the rumours of an impending by-election in the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey constituency true?
And does that mean the monkey is not only still at large, but did manage to grab itself an SNP badge?
Mac
8 months ago
Just to stick my oar into the conversation above between David H. & Breeks .
I am not a doctor and can’t claim to know but these guys are apparently esteemed Professors and the fact they are saying this should give us all pause for thought…
tinyurl.com/2d9jkt56
tinyurl.com/d8sxewju
In the second link one of them is in a big train station in Japan somewhere trying to warn the public. He actually uses the word evil.
I think the people in charge of all the countries rolling out the ‘woke’ agenda on its populations are very likely all the same, for all intents and purposes, evil.
Are they capable of this? You bet they are.
John Main
8 months ago
@Andy Ellis
I guess we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out. The War being, of course, the biggest determinant of the two trajectories of interest.
For Scottish Indy, acting to stop it happening. (My view, I know not shared by you)
For the EU, acting to accelerate its break up.
I know that generally on here, we don’t “do” mainstream media, but the Guardian Online yesterday had a couple of very pessimistic articles about the forces tearing at the fabric of the EU.
And one of them coined a memorable phrase: “The EU has a consistent track record of punching below its weight.”
That can be clearly seen in the Red Sea crisis right now. Months of interruptions to crucial EU trade, continuing to escalate, and the EU can do little more than issue some bleats of protest. Whilst hoping against hope that non-EU powers will take the risks and take the costs of dealing with the problem.
Willie John
8 months ago
Why am I able to see inside that office? Shouldn’t it be redacted?
The Flying Iron of Doom
8 months ago
Breeks says:
28 January, 2024 at 5:01 pm
The Flying Iron of Doom says:
28 January, 2024 at 4:25 pm
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second….
Follow the link. ?
My mistake, you’re right enough – clicking on any of the links launches me straight into “Can’t connect to the server at xxx” territory. We can’t blame Google for this however since the links in the search results are perfectly valid; instead, the problem arises due to the EU and UK half-arsedly blocking a number of sites because…well, I forget. Maybe someone else remembers what prompted this censorship?
John Main
8 months ago
@Geri 3:01
It’s “we’re” when you are abbreviating “we are”.
When you write “were”, it renders your sentence incomprehensible, unless the reader takes the time to puzzle it out from its context.
When posting, you should aim to increase the power and reach of your text by making every effort to maximise lucidity and comprehensability. Getting your syntax, grammar and spelling right is a key part of that.
Take the time and trouble to read over each post and make corrections/clarifications before hitting that “Submit” button. You’ll find it pays dividends – trust me on that.
John Main
8 months ago
Flying Iron
Wikipedia is your friend.
As to why it was banned in most of the west, I think somebody sensitive got mis-gendered.
And from that, in today’s moral climate, there can be no return. Soz.
sam
8 months ago
@John Main
“comprehensability.”
You crack me up. Your rude sneering at Geri’s grammar is completely undermined by your inability to spell “comprehensibility”.
Instead of appearing just to be looking for mistakes why not be polite and look at the substance?
David Hannah
8 months ago
There’s the Leslie Roberts homicide cops interviewing the whistleblowing nurse.
And now. Rumour has it. According to the Daily Mail. Ian Blackford’s wife has turfed him out. The humble crofter wants to buy a house in London.
Which would explain why he wants to join the house of Lords.
If only you’d been a better man. I wonder if his wife found out about his role in the failed Alex Salmond conspiracy.
And then she’s kicked him out. I do wonder.
David Hannah
8 months ago
Pile on the agony. I hope the press tear them to shreds this week.
The covid inquiry. Sturgeon takes the stand on Wednesday. Through the book at her.
Sturgeon done it. She’s the one they will blame for all of this!
I can’t wait. I’ve been waiting for years for you Nicola. To be torn to shreds. A reduced figure… If only you’d been a better woman… Yesterday’s woman… If only Nicola. If only your behaviour.
Band over the whatsapp messages you absolute bint! Or we’ll the national crime agency to get the data from Meta. Hand it over sturgeon. You absolute cretin.
David Hannah
8 months ago
It makes me happy. To see the SNP in turmoil. I actually really enjoy it. It makes me smile.
John Main
8 months ago
Yousaf not very popular on the DM Online this morning.
Something about him spaffing our Scottish tax payer’s hard earned on his pals in Gaza.
At least the mystery of Dan’s neglected vegetation is partially solved. Our dosh goes on supporting terrorism, and helping Yousaf’s extended family escape the worst fall out from that terrorism.
Some of the usual suspects should get on there and explain how Yousaf was fraudulently elected by a secretive and corrupt cabal of SNP apparatchiks. As things stand, to most of the outside world, it appears that Yousaf speaks for and represents Scotland.
We all need to get the word out – he does neither.
David Hannah
8 months ago
I seen that John. The First Minister of Gaza has announced that funding will not be suspending the £750,000 of Scottish tax payers money linked to the UNRWA UN agency under investigation for terrorism links.
Hamas Yousless more like.
dasBlimp
8 months ago
Geri
Ignored says:
29 January, 2024 at 3:01 am
Hatuey
*Takes a bow* lol
You couldn’t make it up..
You just did.
John Main
8 months ago
Sam 10:10
Where’s the rude sneering?
Where’s the impoliteness?
Good spot on the spelling error, but be honest, were you really looking at the substance of my post yourself when you decided to make a point about it?
You have certainly inferred stuff about it that wasn’t there.
Ruby
8 months ago
Here you go David
One from The Herald
Whistleblower nurse fears official Scots Covid inquiry ‘cover-up’
Whistleblowing nurse says Scottish Covid Inquiry is ‘fatally flawed’ due to SNP influence
stuart mctavish
8 months ago
John Main @10:22
Cheers John 🙂
I reckon any (expletive deleted) clowns conflating the UN with terrorism must have lost the plot completely and risk removal from office by men in white coats rather than just the police/ electorate*
eg Remember when funding was pulled for NHS after Smeato punched out one of their flaming Doctors at Glasgow airport back in the day?
*If they been using UN as cover for assymetric warfare elsewhere in the region that’s whole other story, albeit one that invites profound reflection on the merits of waiting until they’re inside the cuckoo nest to provide full transparency on such wild conspiracies!
Ruby
8 months ago
David Hannah
Not Ignored
says:
The humble crofter wants to buy a house in London.
Which would explain why he wants to join the house of Lords.
He wants to buy a house in London to ensure he can continue in the Lords when Scotland becomes independent. Remember when the Scottish Lords did research into their position vis a vis continuing in the Lords in the event of Scottish independence. All they had to do was move to England.
He’ll be joining Dr ‘Whatsherface’ soon in the Tory Party.
You need to get the word out about Humza Yousaf’s fraudulent erection.
Hang on! John Main is going to tell us how to do that.
Nutter!
Stu is fed up! So I’m not sure if he’s up to writing about Humza’a fraudulent erection at the moment just for Humpty ‘totally cracked’ Dumpty.
Stu could be fed-up with all the ‘War Porn’ being posted on his website.
I think it was clear that Stu wasn’t into the ‘War Porn’ when he listed UK-raine and Pu*tain as banned words.
Did the ‘War Fetishists’ listen no they did not.
Disrespectful deviant cunts!
Ruby
8 months ago
dasBlimp
Ignored
says:
29 January, 2024 at 10:38 am
Geri
Ignored says:
29 January, 2024 at 3:01 am
Hatuey
*Takes a bow* lol
You couldn’t make it up..
You just did.
That is pathetic Blimp Boy!
Derek
8 months ago
“Ruby
Ignored
says:
29 January, 2024 at 10:50 am
Cunts!”
Nah, they lack the warmth and the depth…
Geri
8 months ago
Geri, Geri, Geri, Geri, Geri…
Wow! I feel like a pop star!
Sam
Cheers! A wee bit of Karma there lol
Genocide John
Who do you think created & funded Dumbzas *pals* in Gaza before it all went horribly wrong?
Gowan, Gowan – give us all a laugh..
Geri
8 months ago
Sunak was elected by a couple of mates.
You’d think Genocide John would be more worried about a UK prime minister in charge of nukes & state security than he would be about a diddly wee branch manager with a few admin duties …but apparently not.
Yoons, who is like them eh?
Merganser
8 months ago
Hatuey @ 11.04.
The link was the right one thanks.
It’s pure speculation on my part, but I think Humza was probably trying to get some information about ongoing events. I imagine he got short shrift.
As the new leader of the party he would have been desperate to know about certain matters and how they were proceeding and probably saw this as an opportunity to test the water with the CC, who was not going to put his head on that block.
But we’ll never know because they won’t tell us. And even if they did say something, we would never know if it was the truth.
The SNP have doomed themselves with their secrecy and lies. The sooner they go, the better.
Ruby
8 months ago
sam
Ignored
says:
29 January, 2024 at 8:09 am
@Ruby
“I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.”
Isn’t that a line in a Simon and Garfunkel song?
Tomorrah is the anniversary of the day when a young woman in the HoC gubbed a gubmint Minister for lying to cover up moiders. That should be de rigueur, n’est ce pas? With clubs.For lying.
Maybe!
I was inspired by a young woman singing during a football match about how she would prefer to be Pakistani than be a Catholic.
Have you got a link to this clubbing of gubmint minister?
I would quite like to see them being dragged naked into the street getting their mouths washed out with carbolic soap and their heads shaved even if they hadn’t a single hair on their shiny heeds.
What ever happened to thon Tory accused of rape? Is the investigation still continuing?
PS You’re pretty ‘au fait’ with the French. Have you already got your O grade mon ami?
Mais oui. Depuis longtemps. Mais je ne peut parler bien.
Bernadette – elle est magnifique
Hatuey
8 months ago
So, it looks like they’re doing everything possible to silence the whistleblowing nurse, right before our eyes. It’s another judicial charade, a stitch-up, made in Scotland.
There are dark forces at work. You don’t see them, they hide in the shadows, behind curtains and cloaks of secrecy. You’re not allowed to see them, and if you do it’s illegal to speak of them.
You can see what they leave behind though, there’s no hiding that; the carnage, the failure, the broken lives, empty purses, bills, etc.
They can hide evidence of their involvement, but a trail of spotless crime scenes is still a trail.
sam
8 months ago
@Ruby
“mon ami” ou “mon amie”. Mes pronouns, s’il vous plait. Je m’identifie comme un chat.
En francais, tout le temps c’est masculin.
Mac
8 months ago
I doubt the Ned in Red would delete all those messages just for a few swear words and insults and incur all those very negative headlines… must be much worse.
Trotters on the desk?!
Send for Orwell.
Brilliant, Chris – you even have us looking through the window.
Life imitating the art of obfuscation and deflection. What we are watching here is of course ‘the tractors’. Damnation is too good for them! Why people vote for these shysters is beyond me.
Closed for annual stock shredding.
Flippin’ the bird. Lol
That middle finger to us all sums her up perfectly.
Brilliant Chris. Hopefully the glass will be replaced with bars soon and she gets to share it with Lloyd
Excellent ‘toon. Sums the SNP up nicely…
The Sneaky Nothing-to-see-here Party.
Bravo Mr Cairns
Brilliant, Chris!
What evidence we have seen so far in the Covid inquiry shows just how much contempt the SNP/Green government have for the Scottish people . The families of the bereaved must truly be sickened by this lot. This week must finally be the nail in the SNP/Greens coffin in Scotland.
Captures the contempt these troughers have for the public perfectly, Chris. And catching her in an unguarded moment of forgetfulness as she flashes a clean pair of heels, because her feet are normally planted well-and-truly under the table.
I also share the sentiments of others and would love to see the day she’s on the other side of a prison exercise yard but something strongly tells me that’s never going to happen. The Teflon Tractor will slip the clutches of justice, her Unionist buddies will make sure of that. 😉
Hahaha, very good Chris
Oh Den, if only it were to turn out so!
It is Scotland’s only chance to escape from the insanity that has swamped Scotland’s politics for the past ten years and more.
However, Scotland’s problem is that about half of the electorate will STILL vote SNP, no matter what.
What bugs me is that under our insane electoral system some 56 MSPs are not elected at all; and some of those not elected are Government Ministers, for example Slater & Harvie.
Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.
We also have the so-called ‘Greens’ who are hardly out of school and who have done nothing in their lives, telling the country what it should be doing. We have the Humzas of this life, and there are many, whose only job has been politics. Because they have no real EXPERIENCE, these people simply do not know what so many people in Scotland have to deal with every day of their lives.
Scotland deserves better. Much better.
Charles ( not the R one) amen to that.
Bang on Chris, the deceits and cover ups are many.
Meanwhile Robin McAlpine has an excellent article on Nato and Atlanticism, and why an indy Scotland needs no part of either.
link to robinmcalpine.org
Charles says on 27 January 2024 at 11:04 am: “Under our corrupt system those 56 MSPs are put in place by their PARTIES. Harvie & Slater who pontificate on all manner of insane policies, and introduce them for legislation which ends up being challenged in the courts, have never been elected by anybody and are now in Government! It is truly insane.”
Bullseye! Nail hit very squarely on head. And to add to that we also have unelected troughers like Murdo Fraser who for over 20-years has never been elected by the public. A Tory trougher put in place by his Party and, just like the rest of them, has achieved absolutely nothing of note other than a superior bank balance. It is “truly insane” that we allow this situation and allow these troughing failures to make important decisions for us. Madness doesn’t even begin to describe it.
The Peoples University of China previously known as Glasgow University has produced some of the lowest forms of Scottish character.
It might be just as well that Scottish students aren’t allowed there anymore.
Careful, Chris, the SNP’s world-famous rebuttal unit will be on to you.
It’s the Westminster voting system.
They probably set it up like that because they knew there’d be very little yoons voted in given time & they were right. 2007 – just seven year for Salmond to rise.
The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit. It’s not designed for an overall majority so if Scots used their noggin that parly would be a super pro Indy parly.
Sturgeon, the Yoon, locked out that option in 2021. She preferred to work with yoons because yoons wouldn’t push her on independence whereas a super pro Indy parliament would have.
All *both votes SNP* does is allow yoons in & the SNP & Greens to be unaccountable & force through unpopular GRR. (If Alba had been in the cheap seats it’d never have passed) That’s why she bad mouthed Salmond on national telly to make sure that didn’t happen.
Coss party committees are supposed to scrutinise policy through various stages – they’re also asleep at the wheel. That could be argued that’s deliberate – give the SNP enough rope etc, but
There ain’t half some very witty people here on Wings.
I love it!
What’s the ‘rude row’?
Did I miss that by not watching the ‘Covid Inquiry?
Summed up the whole sorry situation perfectly, Chris. That middle finger, the feet on the sill, the closed sign. Gutting but true.
How many of the Scottish populace see the truth about the SNP government? They are only being informed about Sturgeon’s criticism of Johnson – of course, a popular thing to have done.
Sadly, I fear that the SNP high heid yins will all get away with their incompetence and treachery. How I wish that weren’t the case.
ICJ judgement just in –
palestinians are getting themselves deliberately killed to make israel look bad.
this isnt genocide, this is rock n roll
link to youtube.com
nazis on the internets are claiming libel and defamation for being compared to israelis
gawd save benji nyetanhoo
and zionists on the lam
they wasnt being wicked
they was just having fun
link to youtube.com
what’s the point of human misery, if someone else can’t have a good old laff at it – as jonny rotten once called it “cheap holiday … ”
I felt unsafe today, so I went out and killed all my neighbours in the street, then blew their houses up via gas explosions. I still feel unsafe, for the survivors could be hiding under the rubble harbouring murderous thoughts against me, for no reason whatsoever.
– I think Biden should send me F16s. It could be the 2% ashkenazi in me – I’ll tell you what happened to me, but never what I did.
my granny was a holocaust denier, so I sent her to a rabbi to learn of their religion, then I sent her to a professor to learn of their history; when she returned I asked her what she thought of the holocaust now? She said she couldn’t believe it happened only once.
but in a strange karmic balance my grandad destroyed 100 german planes in ww2 – worst mechanic the luftwaffe ever hired
when you look at western politicans – their desire to force unpopular policies on their people, to destroy their own nations – you start to think ALL of them might be on the take, or being blackmailed; if you aren’t bought and paid for, you don’t get the gig; the few honest men are easy to spot by the hatred they get.
” Scottish Information Office, Closed ”
Was it ever open I wonder. Like many of the SNP’s boasts, just a sham.
The prime example is their latest decision to refuse to report one word of the Hamilton inquiry. Unbelievable.
I do hope this decision is challenged and the Commissioner takes them to court again.
I am sick of reading the phrase ‘not in the public interest’ when they really mean ‘not in the SNP’s interest’
..post locked..
Was going to add, be sure to read manifestos.
The Green horrors are all in it. GRR, Fishing, Bottle return & jury reforms.
Sturgeon & the SNP did a despicable & unforgivable thing by transferring a vote for independence straight to the Greens manifesto for absolutely no reason other than she knew she was leaving & wanted Self ID passed. Well probably discover later that was for a backhander.
Great cartoon. It should be bars for Emelda. She ran her own wee internal mafia & is no better than BoJo for blatant lies & skulduggery during a crisis. She should’ve been out since 2017, when the rot was setting in, when she lost all those WM seats, but the narcissist held on while others would’ve stepped down in shame.
Ruby
She called BoJo “a clown”
& Westminster “A shower”
It’s said on the radio her messages contained “expletives” & was “rude”
Yay! I thought – she’s called everyone C*nts!! Haha!
Nope – disappointed. Just a clown.
Since when was clown promoted tobeing an expletive?
@Confused 12:09
I remain flummoxed.
129 Scotswomen and Scotsmen, good and true, is all that is needed to “seize” HR and enact the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies you claim are Scotland’s true wish.
Heck, you don’t even need that. 70 would see you with the majority you need to govern Scotland.
70 patriotic Scots, not professional politicians, not in hock to Washington, not troughing crims, not captured by gender woowoo or Zionist Nazi-ism. Are we really expected to believe these people can’t be found? Heck, there’s around 20 regular posters on here with iron-clad certainty they know the cures for all of Scotland’s ills. That just leaves 50 more to find from among the alert readership.
Are apathy, laziness and risk averseness really the reasons why nobody is prepared to take their chances? Is it a lingering manifestation of the Scottish Cringe – politicians are “special people” and although we know how to sort everything, we’re but humble “ordinary people” who can’t rise above our station?
Help me out, Confused, I’m flummoxed.
BTW, I hear there’s good salaries, expenses, pensions, etc. if it’s simply fear of losing the day job holding you back.
Humza will be pissed off now the UK stopped payments to his Hamas mates.
What will Humza Boy say now that the UK government has stopped payments to his mates in Hamas.
Genocide John
Of course they can be found.
The SNP removes them from the selection process.
If they weren’t a Sturgeon superfan, had a fake disability or had questions over the sanity of Self ID – they didn’t make the cut.
Do not pass go. Do not collect £80k.
Eejit.
Have you learned nothing since being a wasp on here?
Aww. Main believes the electoral system is functioning.
Bless !
Must admit, the boke started to rise when I misread the headline as “Sturgeon in ‘Nude’ Row. 😉
Remember people used to encourage you to buy The National — “it’s the only pro-Indy paper we have and we should support it…”
You don’t meet those guys nowadays.
The Great Satan (US) and one of favourite minions the (UK) really are run by vile b*stards.
“The UK is to pause funding for the UN’s key aid agency for Palestinian refugees after allegations that several of its employees took part in Hamas’s 7 October attacks in Israel last year.
The announcement comes after the US state department said it would provide no additional funding to the UN Relief and Works Agency until the allegations were addressed. Australia, Italy and Canada have also paused funding for the agency.
A statement from the UK Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) said: “The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.
“The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations. We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it.””
Unionist are fitted with an amnesia helmet.
The memory of a gnat.
How many articles has Stu written on Sturgeons woeful intake over brains & ability?
He’s even provided pictures like a pop up book of horrors of who no one of sound mind would select but miraculously made her shortlist as well as a step by step guide of the skulduggery that’s went on to bump Sturgeon superfans & self ID eejits up to the top of the selection process, exploiting the equality act.
She fcked the SNP & Holyrood by design. Scorched earth her policy. She’ll be awarded some gong later for being the longest serving Unionist in Holyrood that stopped the breakup of the UK.
Maccy Ds are missing their intake cause Sturgeon nicked them all.
I seem to recall a man being sent to prison for calling Sturgeon a rude word and yet here is she doing the self same thing.
Chris another belter and thank you so much for hiding that physog behind the misinformation waste of paper , I cannot stand looking at that coupon with its wee sparrows arse mooth that can churn oot lies like a machine gun
Confused hilarious as always,I would love to see you in politics tell genocide John you will put your name forward after him , geno always wants someone else to go first, just like his unionist mates
Tsk!
All that state of the art surveillance & monitoring tae & they missed that beazer? Not.
They’re really trotting out the propaganda.
How can these people live with themselves, disease and starvation are already rife in Gaza, as the Great Satan’s (USA’s) tip of the spear in the up and coming war against China, Australia announces that it too is also “pausing” any funding to the UNRWA.
Australia’s PM Anthony Albanese is a fool, and Australians will find themselves been drawn into wars they don’t want or need in the future.
@John Main 12.58pm
Fittingly given the subject matter of Chris’ latest excellent cartoon, the low information types infesting BTL comments don’t really the think through the common sense, Scotland-first, real world, policies they claim are Scotland’s true wish though do they?
They still insist – on no evidence at all – that being anti NATO, anti-EU and anti Great Satan will be a big plus for the independence movement. Odd that when challenged none of them ever come up with any evidence to support their sophomoric crank-left marxism.
It’s a bit like watching the bedraggled wee bunch of SSP types trying to make themselves look relevant of a weekend with their stall on Princes Street. I always feel kinda sorry for them.
Presumably when they and the usual suspects here take control our new sovereign citizens assembly (or will they just go balls in and call it a Soviet?) will have no truck with NATO, the EU, and the Great Satan and all it’s works….which seems a little odd given that at present the vast majority seem to support parties endorsing them.
Why…it’s almost like they don’t have any evidence isn’t it?
Perhaps Hatuey can cast some runes to tell us when the new “Brigadoon goes Albania” will be realised to give us all time to prepare?
Sturgeon must be convicted and punished. If the Scottish political and legal system wants to retain any respect and any cooperation from the people and the wider community then that little Fuck Wit has to go down. Not for vengeance (my preferred choice) but to ensure the system has any credibility at all. There must be sweeping changes. The position of the FM of Scotland must be clearly defined what they can and cannot do. The present situation of an unelected Muslim snake skin oil salesman having a private Hamas with the Mrs at our expense and in our name. Is insanity on a leash.
Sturgeon will be by word for power crazy hatred.
For Example:
” Oh he was acting like a sturgeon what a prick!”
The cream of society has turned. Can you smell that smell. whats that smell.
So the time for talking is over. Its time for action so I’m going the toilet.
President Xiden
Wasn’t that for threatening her assassination?
Hardly the same as calling a clown a clown.
Main says Russti will invade Portugal.
The ‘Nostradamus of Norfolk’ says Russti will be divided up within 4 years.
Sounds contradictory.
I’m holding my breath.
*Alba voted at conference not to support NATO.
*They also support EFTA.
*& We’re not great fans of the great Satan since one put it’s nebb into our independence referendum cause it’d have lost a poodle on the security council.
People interested supposedly interested in indy should have known that eh?
Leslie Riddoch should be made to pay back the money she took for her so called lectures.
Geri @12.02pm
‘The Scottish electorate need to understand the system & unlearn the SNP 1& 2 bullshit’
I have always been a huge critic of the AMS/D’Hondt system: whether it came about through accident or design, it is one of the greatest con tricks ever devised.
But I think your comment about voting for the same party on the regional and list vote simply muddies the waters. I repeat, from a previous comment, the system WAS gamed in 2021, when 185,000 SNP voters voted SNP1/Green 2.
And the SNP, led by Alex Salmond, came to power in 2007 BECAUSE OF SNP 1 & 2, and we rejoiced. The fact is that 90% of voters vote ‘1&2’ and will continue to do so because the list vote is an insurance against failure in the constituency vote.
That one element of the system is pure genius, as it greatly distorts the list counting component – once a party wins a single constituency seat, 50% of their list votes are quietly shredded, rising to 90% if winning all 8.
In addition, all 56 list seats are reserved for registered political parties, vastly reducing the chances of independents ever holding sway – should the voting public ever work out that political parties are the problem, not the solution.
But much as I hate to defend it, it was not AMS/D’Hondt which enabled SNP and Greens to force through the GRRB: there were 9 SNP rebels (plus one SNP coward who declined to vote) which meant that the bill could not pass without support from unionists…and that came is spades from Labour.
Geri thinks Alba represent the views of all the people of Scotland on NATO.
Q: Do you support or oppose Britain’s membership of NATO?
YouGov poll, 22/01/2024 (Scotland figures)
Strongly Support NATO: 49%
Tend to support NATO: 27%
Don’t know: 18%
Tend to oppose NATO: 3%
Strongly oppose NATO: < 3%
Strongly & Tend to Support totals for Scotland are higher than the whole UK figure.
Don't be like Geri folks.
link to yougov.co.uk
Summed up brilliantly again, Chris, although I have to say she has risen a fraction in my estimation since those sweary tests emerged.
According to some news outlets the Ruskies have already won & so has Gaza.
Not through their belligerent leaders but by the populations who have absolutely zero intentions of signing up to their wackadoo madness & prefer protest instead of a uniform.
Satan has abandoned 404 in favour of I*real & they’ve fcked up reading the room of their neighbours.
Now 404 refugees are being asked to return to take up the slack..
Hmmmmm Return to get my head blown off or stay here in Canada? Thats a toughie. Decisions, decisions. I think they’ll pass.
With trend going downhill.
That last comment was to Ellis
A downward trend. Now look at the chart for nukes. Scotland strongly opposed.
& As NATO is a nuke alliance that buggers that.
The fact you keep failing to accept is you do not know, with any authority, what scotland thinks on a whole host of topics, until Scotland actually holds a referendum on the matter. Until then don’t claim to be an expert based on opinion polls that can change every day of the week depending on the daily news.
Scotland is ant war & anti nukes. We know that already by past events & protests.
Ebook – we can only hope that was because of the “free in 23” regards Green vote.
My message was cut off & follow up went into mod & I just left it. I agree on the both votes can be a good thing but SNP die hards don’t want to accept the more pro Indy parties the better. They’d keep each other in check.
@Geri: you asserting things are true, and them actually being true, are two completely different things. All we currently have to go on is polling evidence. You don’t have any, nor can you show any amongst parties with significant support that backs your claims up.
You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.
Post indy Scots may indeed vote for the removal of nukes, but they’re also overwhelmingly likely to vote in favour of NATO membership and EU membership. Most current NATO members don’t have nukes. Many prohibit their presence on their territory under any circumstances, while some allow them in times of crisis.
You’re not going to see supermajorities in favour overturned because of *reasons Geri pulled out of his arse*.
@ Geri at 5.10 pm
Aye, and one also needs to consider and not forget just how behind the curve and ill-informed the Scottish electorate are by malign influences of our MSM and politicians.
The electorate is constantly fed a load of shite and endures paying for all the flawed policy rollouts from both Westminster, Holyrood, and Local Authorities too.
EG. I visited a couple of my neighbours this afternoon to assess their adjacent fully taxpayer funded solar PV array installations and generation figures.
Both installs were completed in June last year and one has only managed to generate just 290 KWhs, and the other a laughably low 170 KWhs.
Both installs are utter shit as the siting of arrays is so compromised due to shading from buildings, trees, and even the rows of panels shading the rows behind.
That one array has generated a third less than the other shows how flawed the installs are.
290 KWhs at a KWh unit price of 30 pence means the “higher” performing array has only made about 90 quid’s worth of leccy, and both tenants have been getting through around 70 quid of leccy a week during the recent cold spell.
A 4KW PV system should be producing about 3400 KWhs a year, so 290 KWhs in over 7 months is nowhere near that figure.
NB. The arrays I describe above are south facing and will be performing considerably better than the two north facing installations I have previously mentioned.
That’s a lot of taxpayers’ money being spaffed away on greenwashing shite. I would have thought such low performance from dodgy installs would warrant an inquiry as to just how such a flawed initiative came to be.
Houthi’s take out the British-owned oil tanker Marlin Luanda in the Red sea yesterday.
My respect for Yemen grows by the day.
With various UK Tory governments having close connections with Israel, do you ever wonder where the Tories might have gotten the idea for their Rwanda plan?
“The Israeli prime minister is on an official visit to Uganda on Monday, July 3rd. He comes in particular for the commemoration of the Entebbe raid that allowed the release of the hostages of the Air France flight 40 years ago. His brother Yonatan Netanyahu lost his life. Since then, relations between the two countries have warmed. Israel, which is facing the influx of African immigrants, has decided to deport a number of them to a “safe third country” on a voluntary basis. Israel provided them with a travel document and $3,500. Nearly 10,000 people are said to have left Israel for Africa… The Sudanese mainly for Uganda, and the Eritreans for Rwanda. ”
link to rfi.fr
Incidentally this article might give you an incite as to why the Ugandan judge on the ICJ bench voted in favour of Israel on every single action.
“Uganda-Israel: complex and little-known links”
link to rfi.fr
Wow, a spate of infantile name calling from the usual suspects.
Yet it continues to be a free Scotland.
All that any poster on here has to do, confident that they have the answers, certain that they can’t be corrupted or compromised, sure that their neighbours will be swayed by their policies and honesty, is get aff their fat erses and stand.
Stand for local council, stand for HR, stand for WM. Whatever.
It would be great if Rev Stu would post an article, outlining just what has to be done, and how much it costs. Every one of the WM and HR incumbents that the regulars just love to hate so much, went through that process and persuaded enough voters to back them.
And if what I eternally read on here is correct, just about every one of these WM and HR incumbents is clueless, misguided, corrupt, compromised or tractorous.
All over Europe, people are forming new parties, giving up the day job, standing for office, and getting themselves elected. It could happen here too, even in Scotland.
And with the certain runaway support of the rest of Scotland, the Wings BTL regulars will be a shoe in. Heck, there’s even one or two I would vote for myself.
@RoS 4:00
Here in Scotland and across the wider U.K. we have strict rules against allowing murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers to have contact with vulnerable groups.
There are plenty of respectable humanitarian organisations, utilising vetted and above suspicion employees, who can take over, and won’t put the Palestinians at risk of further exploitation or injury by the very nasty people who have been unmasked hiding in UNRWA.
I am confident that if you think it through, and imagine yourself and your family in a situation of desperate need, the last thing you would want would be some violently murderous, or pervertedly rapacious criminal working his way into your confidence.
As a member of a «minority» the international community, UN etc could not give a f+++ about….the concern for the 16millions of the self described palastinian arabs leaves me rather unmoved.
5.5 million Scots are more likely to be «eliminated» than the above.
My parents live in the gulf where «palestinians» gravitate in order to make a living, the cutting views of many of the type regarding the current political situation would upset prim covert anti jewish Guardian readers.
A view from the uncensored «street».
In arabic it is not quite so black/white.
TURABDIN
I like the Spanish viewpoint on the religion of peace.
It’s not so long since the Spanish experienced that “peace” at first hand. The memory has been seared into their collective consciousness. So of All the major European countries, they are the most strongly opposed to experiencing it for a second time.
We should listen to them – they know of what they speak.
link to youtube.com
Have you all seen this? It’s excellent.
There is also a clip of Alex Salmond speaking at the Holyrood Enquiry on Stu’s Twitter.
link to twitter.com
Powerful stuff.
I was able to sit through 3 hours of Alex Salmond giving evidence to the Holyrood Committee and I was riveted.
I was definitely not complaining that it was all too highfalutin for me.
Alex Salmond has a great skill. He is a superb communicator.
Sturgeon & Humza can’t hold my attention for even a minute.
Idiot Main – “Here in Scotland and across the wider U.K. we have strict rules against allowing murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers to have contact with vulnerable groups.”
Eg Isla Blair?
Funny to see yoons riding to the rescue of people they pretend to despise.
Main’ s gnomic gnonsense.
Spanish peace?
Could it be – The Inquisition? – Invasion of the New World, – Franco.
Fock knows.
John Main
13 January, 2024 at 8:11 pm
“I favour forgetting all Guff more Ancient than 60 years and making the simple economic case for Indy.”
Btw, Did the Spanish not expel the Jws because they opened the city gates for the Moors?
I understand everything Alex Salmond says and as I said I am riveted. I can listen to him for hours.
By comparison I haven’t a clue what the last four posts are about. Three from John Main & one from TURABDIN.
With the first one
link to wingsoverscotland.com
I had to check that I wasn’t on an old thread. It was deja-vu all over agian!
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Not a clue
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Is he saying ‘Fuck the Palestians’ what about me?
link to wingsoverscotland.com
What peace is he talking about that the Spanish experienced first hand?
JOHN MAIN
There are two views of «al andalous» aka islamic spain, a haven of tolerance for all or a hell for the non-muslim.
You make your selection according to sensibility. The haven of tolerance theme works in sections of western media.
The expression «a curat’s egg» applies to this world; good in parts if you’re lucky, otherwise keep your luggage pre packed to move on…travel light by choice.
It’s all in the semiotics 🙂
Holy Toledo!
The history of the city of Toledo in Spain is very interesting.
I used to know loads about Spain but I’ve forgotten.
I think the Jews were expelled by the Catholic kings in 1492
It is claimed that the Jews, the Moors and the gypsies all fleeing the inquisition got together in hiding. They danced together all doing their own traditional dances. As a result Flamenco was born.
Lets see if that is possible
Jewish dancing
link to youtube.com
Gypsy dancing
link to youtube.com
I don’t know what Arab dancing is. All I could think about was belly dancing.
I found this:
link to youtube.com
That is quite something.
Yes I can see Flamenco being a combination of Jewish, Gypsy & Arab dancing.
@TURABDIN
Thanks for your response.
It’s good to interact with an educated and knowledgeable poster. Keep the posts coming. We need to do what we can to improve the quality on here.
Spanish peace?
What could it mean?
Siesta?
The moments before entering the arena to face the bull?
An attack on Scottish independence?
Fock nose
We definitely need to improve the quality on here.
I have an idea how to improve the quality around here.
You can tell when Main is in trouble.
Debate, mockery, and insult having all failed, try toadying flattery.
Dear me, is this what those who fought St. Crispins Day have become?
Famine , sword and fire crouch for employment.
Ellis
**You and all your hard of thinking compadres keep insisting you know what Scots think and how they will react and vote post indy, while complaining when I point out the overwhelming current support for a broadly Atlanticist, multilateral, pro-EU stance. You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own class of facts.**
I don’t think I’ve ever claimed to know what the majority would vote for post independence. I do know we’ll return to popular Sovereignty & that means people power. Every decision would go to a public campaign/assembly & referendum. I also very much doubt we’d leave one bastard union & rush headlong into joining TWO others without serious consideration & very public scrutiny & I also very much doubt, as a newly independent country, we’d be setting our sights on joining the wackadoos intent on world domination, do you?
The EU is decades away – currency would be the top priority & per EU own rules – have a long period of stability first. Maybe then they’ll have cleaned in-house. Maybe it won’t even exist as countries increasingly realise they’ve been duped by the yanks & they’re not friends after all but are a threat.
They’re pumping funds to the yanks for a protection racket with some free real estate thrown in & military threat if they don’t comply. The EU are just ideal prime real estate going free for strategic purposes only while their population is being strangled & industries closed.
Ruskies did tell them they’d have been better creating their own alliance & own EU nations – they ignored & scoffed in his face. Now they’re paying the price as their energy was sabotaged by that man nobody & there is hee-haw they could do about it.
NATO have already broken international laws multiple times along with UN directives so maybe you can tell the group why you love them so much & why a supposed international peacekeeper only follows American orders?
I’m not sure what to make about this UN involvement in the Hamas terror attacks.
But Humza has been directly funding this UN agency.
£750,000 to support the agency. More Scottish money given away. And, this time. To terrorists it would seem.
At the same time. I support Palestine.
From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free. Stop the genocide by the Jewish zionist killing machine. With the big noses. And all of their money. Like the Hilary Clinton foundation and Bill – who likes them young – Clinton.
I want an Indy Scotland more than ever.
Outside the war mongering NATO.
Outside the war mongering EU.
Freedom come all, ye.
Ruby: “ I haven’t a clue what the last four posts are about. Three from John Main & one from TURABDIN…”
Me neither. I wish people would devote themselves to explaining ideas in plain English instead of trying to sound like Aesop.
“The writer either has a meaning and cannot express it, or he inadvertently says something else, or he is almost indifferent as to whether his words mean anything or not…”
(George Orwell, ‘Politics and the English Language’)
Just googled when NATO first went rogue. NATO dropped it’s mask in 1999 when it decided to bomb Yugoslavia without permission but the Yanks had declared it was now in charge of NATO…
**more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continent**
&…
**The attacks that have started on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia a few hours ago are in clear violation of Article 53 of the [UN] Charter. No country, group of countries or regional arrangement, no matter how powerful, can arrogate to itself the right of taking arbitrary and unilateral military action against others. That would be a return to anarchy where might is right. . . . The attacks now taking place on Yugoslavia have not been authorized by the Council, acting under Chapter 7, and are therefore completely illegal. . . . What NATO has tried to do is to intimidate a government through the threat of attack, and now through direct and unprovoked [End Page 25] aggression, to accept foreign military forces on its territory. . . . There are several traditional descriptions for this kind of coercion; peacekeeping is not one of them. 3
more disturbing is NATO’s new strategic concept, declared at the Washington summit on 24 April 1999. The scope of NATO’s interests now goes well beyond its territory to all the continents. Issues of human rights violations and the disintegration of states, “inadequate or failed efforts at reforms,” and “the uncontrolled movement of large numbers of people” have been declared to “pose problems for security and stability affecting the alliance.” 5 During such eventualities, NATO forces will be “called upon” to carry out “crisis-response operations,” the “calling upon” being made not by the UN but by NATO’s own political leadership. The summit declaration was in effect the American liberals’ new containment policy with no defined limits on substance, scope, and reach.
The capitulation by Serbia after seventy-eight days of relentless and merciless NATO bombing, against which the Serbs had no defense, cannot justify violations of law. The attack is the equivalent of the FBI bombarding an inner-city neighborhood in violation of federal and state laws, based on the expectation that crimes may be committed. The punishment meted out by NATO preceded the alleged crimes.**
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NATO isn’t a peacekeeper. It’s now the aggressor & from that article – is heading the same way as the ex League of Nations who also let power go to their head for self interest. (Before my time)
link to muse.jhu.edu
As I explained yesterday, Geri, the problem with Ellis’s jingoistic bullshit is that we are only here on this forum talking about independence and things because the Scottish people were appalled at the Iraq “war”.
In other words, if it wasn’t for the very people and standpoint that Ellis continually berates and attacks, the SNP would never have ousted Scottish Labour in 2007, and we wouldn’t have had an independence referendum in 2014. That’s so obvious that it might be regarded as some sort of political truism.
The SNP and independence movement we see today, then, more or less owes its existence to anti-war and anti-US imperialist sentiment in the collective psyche of the Scottish public. Of course, that goes for Alba too, and much else.
Ellis is not only wrong, what he is saying diametrically contradicts the truth and is in fact the opposite of the truth.
Hatuey. There are a million different reasons for a nation wanting independence. For me it’s very simple and uncomplicated. I was born in Scotland, I am a Scot so that’s all the reason I need. All the other stuff to me is window dressing.
Others may want independence for political , economic or pragmatic reasons. But at the heart of everything is our collective Scottish identity. Everything else flows from that.
Hatuey
Agreed.
Big Jock
Also agree.
As long as it’s Scots that’s doing the deciding then everything else flows from that.
Unionist continually go off course with the *what ifs & what’s yer plans on* & that’s just a distraction & one the SNP is now intent on pandering to with throwing EU membership into the mix as if that has anything to do with Scotland becoming independent – a pure nonsense & delay tactic cause those would be decided by the people of Scotland & not by the SNP.
Alex Salmond really stepped free from from the crowd when he opposed the bombing of Serbia in 1999.
His opponents piled on thinking he had made a huge error.
The public however, including many in England, thought otherwise.
It took Scottish politics onto a new level and fuelled the rise of the SNP.
Is there someone with any commitment and vision about nowadays?
I don’t see anyone.
Covid, climate nonsense, and trannyism are just three clear examples where a committed politician could represent a large number of disenfranchised voters, but, there is no one.
Very strange.
“There are a million different reasons..”
There was one overarching reason for the rise of the SNP and the victories of 2007 / 2011. That reason was Iraq. By 2007, we knew there was no WMDs and the whole thing was based on lies.
Johnlm
There could always be Salmond again?
He proposes public assemblies to address the Trannyisim issue & (I think) that would instantly fall apart the moment the pampers brigade were asked a direct question, that’s if they even had the guts to show up to face parents.
Same with the climate. He is well aware it can’t be a bull in a china shop approach.
Whether he can make a comeback is anyone’s guess. Sturgeon has made sure to scunner the fck out of an entire population hoping we’ll all go back in our wee Union Jack box. The momentum squandered. Weans in charge.
He needs to give serious thought to not take seats at WM. We’ve watched 10 yrs of those donkey’s going nowhere but catching fleas on the way to the bars & feathering their own nests.
I don’t see anyone else either. The only three that know their stuff in politics & have a moral compass seems to be Salmond, Hanvey & MacAskill.
Geri
I suppose I’m thinking that Leaders should lead, take some risks.
It’s a truism to say that any politician who says something definite alienates a pile of potential support.
But a politician that is scared to say anything is going nowhere.
A politics run by focus group and SPADs is stagnant.
Public assemblies too are an avoidance of responsibility, though they may have their place.
Salmond or Regan seem to be the leadership ‘talent’ so hopefully they will start stirring some controversy soon, as Salmond did in 1999.
They really missed the boat with Covid, (and still are)
The climate scam is difficult but, to me, looks like it’s going to collapse in the next couple of years.
Trannyism is just barking. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Unfortunately Salmond is connected to two of these issues: Covid believer, pro green issues.
He may be wary of alienating the youth vote over Trans issues, tho’ there too I think people are fed up with it. Good subject for comedy.
Anyway, we seem to be headed for turbulent times and, as in other countries, there is an appetite for political change.
Wait too long and someone else gets to lead.
I’d want to see ALBA stirring up things for the election, rewards to come later.
Geri
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 12:36 am
Just googled when NATO first went rogue….
2 things…
Don’t trust Google to find what you’re looking for.
Let me clarify, don’t not trust it, but just don’t assume it’s search engine is particularly ahem, thorough, or telling you everything. Both Google and YouTube have played a big role in skewing the perception of recent world events. Look too at all the jiggerypokery with cyber attacks on so many pro-Indy blogs.
Try Googling Ruskia Today and see where it gets you. A white blackout. Scott Ritter and Douglas MacGregor were also deplatformed at critical times, although they seem to be back on YT. These “silencing” of sources are just examples of Western narratives masquerading as “news”.
I find it all a bit BBC… you might hear something interesting as a headline, but then you need to dig around to get the true story minus the blinkers and agenda filtration.
And 1999? I’d go back further, at least as far back as 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed, and also the Bosnian war of 1992-95. NATO’s motives were already dubious back then, as was their cynical attitude towards UN Resolutions.
Point of fact, Vlad (P)utin cited the same UN Charter to intervene militarily in the Don Bas, to save Ruskian Nationals from shelling, as the US and NATO cited to bomb Yugoslavia and eventually recognise Kosovo. Sauce for the goose and all that.
Also, as reported above, it was the bombing of Yugoslavia without appropriate Resolutions which Alex Salmond described as “unpardonable folly”.
Hands up anyone who still believes it actually was a simple act of folly, not a “deeper” NATO / US agenda in the making…
Salmond was an incredible Statesman with good instincts and the courage to stand against the mainstream opinion, and an Independent Scotland would have flourished under his leadership… at least until NATO wanted him gone. Maybe, in part, that’s precisely what did happen. NATO does mean London after all, not just Washington.
I know, I know, his legacy gave us Sturgeon, so he wasn’t infallible. But maybe if the Faculty of Advocates had struck her off rather than fudged a deal over her departure from the legal profession, then the World would have been a better place all round.
A very powerful image by Chris Cairns. I do hope his art can keep up with all the filth that’s about to come out.
“All you have to do is kick in the front door and the whole rotten house of cards will come tumbling down”. A different historical context of course. The SNP/Green monster is about receive a Blitzkrieg from the people.
Breeks
Aye, I can’t remember if it was Robin McAlpine or Craig Murray who mentioned that a few months ago & gave the heads up Google was messing around – I think it may have been Robin. Google was bumping up to the top what they wanted ppl to read rather than random results based on searches & Ruskies news was a media blackout. (That blows Genocide Johns theory we have a free & uncensored internet thanks to the yanks LOL)
Regards my link – I was just clarifying I had no link to that website cause that’s the next predictable gripe “oh that sites biased, that sites Ruskie sympathisers, that sites fake news” the usual comeback on forums when ppl link sources. “My source is better than your source” type eejits lol
I also agree that it goes away back to the fall of the Soviet Union. The lecturer I listened to a few yrs ago (can’t remember his name now, sorry) Also gave that same timeline & all the manoeuvres they had in place to contain & surround Ruskies & they’ve managed it with NATO.
In the article I linked it goes on to talk about the fall of the league of Nations for the same reason that looks to be repeating itself. Not content on Nations working in harmony for the greater good & abiding by the law – there were three who wished to dominate everyone else where they thought the law was just for everyone else. UN & NATO now repeating it.
I listened to your link the other day. Great discussion & I now subscribe to that ladies channel “Through the eyes of” so thanks for the linking it..
@David Hannah 12.22pm
Presumably that’s what most in here want David.
the fact remains that your preferred post independence Scotland isn’t one that has much popular support.
Of course NATO and EU membership are things that are for decision post indy, but what makes you think your views will suddenly overturn those of the vast majority?
@Hatuey 12:52
That’s certainly an innarestin take. Your “truism” is another man’s brand new novelty. ”Twas ever thus.
I’ll do no more than publish a correction. Where you wrote that the Scottish people decided they wanted Indy because of the Iraq War, in fact, around half the Scottish people might have been appalled enough to want Indy.
Seems a shoogly peg to hang an Indy movement on, especially over 2 decades later, which would also explain how the SNP and Indy itself has run out of steam. Protest votes are great fun, but nobody ever protested themselves to comfortable prosperity. That takes planning, tactics and hard graft, maintained for years.
As people who think like you never manage to understand, there’s another consideration too – what people virtue signal about, online, down the pub, even on the street, is not the same as what people choose in the isolation of the polling booth.
I know you find html very boring so I’m wondering if you would have any interest in SEO Search Engine Optimization. It’s a very interesting topic.
Whether your website appears near the top of the search results is dependent on a number of factors key words, links, name of website etc etc. You can also pay to be near the top these are called sponsored links.
I’ve noticed there are also links with ‘Google guaranteed’ Not sure what that involves.
I don’t know if Google are messing around or if the companies/news broadcasters are just better at SEO than those just not appearing or if they are paying Google to get to the top.
@Breeks 5:53
Amazing how Breeks can provide us with a potted history of the past 30 years or so, but neglect to mention the little spat in Chechnya, with its tens of thousands of casualties, most of them non combatants.
Geri won’t know about it either, what with her Internet being censored – an intriguing new twist to the “they’re all agin us” trope.
Alert readers will wonder if Breeks intention is just to spin his usual one-sided propaganda piece, banking on there being a few gullible readers prepared to swallow it and cheer along.
Horrified readers may wonder if the situation in Gaza may eventually grow to match its predecessor in Chechnya, and if those pretending Chechnya never happened will find themselves discredited and disqualified when they try to pretend the Gaza situation is uniquely terrible.
Still, all considerations aside, one has to wonder at the constant refrain of pro-Russti posts on Wings BTL.
@Geri 7:56
Ref your claim that NATO has contained and surrounded Rusttiland.
Does your specially censored Google permit you info about China? Do you know that the Covid Spreaders and the Orcs share 2,600 miles of land border?
Does your ability to think logically extend to understanding that the Covid Spreaders would have to be part of NATO for your assertion to be true?
Don’t get me started on the more than 23,000 miles of coastline Russtiland enjoys. No power on earth and contain and surround all of that.
link to youtube.com
“Guan Yersel he says is a sign of encouragement
Not something you often get in Scotland.”
I wonder why that is. Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.
I’m wonder if ‘The Cunts’ are here to do precisely that. Every day it’s the same thing. You are stupid and your post are drivel, you fringe nutters will be going nowhere.
Genocide John Main desperately diverting from the ICJ decision with some whataboutery I see.
117 children killed every day in Gaza.
4.5 million deaths (at least) in zionist wars post 911.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/05/17/report–4-5-million-deaths-and-counting-in-post-9-11-warzones
The following contains a warning to pro NATO SNP.
link to nato.int
Should a NATO member state feel threatened it may call upon «protection» from the alliance, in practice the US.
Turkey, in the above case, felt threatened by Iraq, why is not clarified, but the establishment of protection in eastern Anatolia did secure territory troubled by Kurdish «separatism»: also one of the ancestral «homes» of the beleaguered and marginalized Syriac ethnicity.
It does appear that NATO may respond to a perceived threat to a states territorial integrity that could cover any aspirations some Scots might have to dissolving the UK status quo.
NATO sustains. Who benefits?
Ellis presumes everyone posting here is an Indy supporter.
Aye right!
I’m wondering about TURABDIN.
Who is he? What is he?
Why did he change his user name from Ottomanboi to TURABDIN
Did he decide that his story that he was a 17 year old boy recently arrived from Iraq was just too far fetched?
What about DasBlimp does he support Scottish Independence?
A Scot Abroad did not nor did the Captain of the Sinking School
Then there’s John Main & Andy Ellis who hate Scotland and everyone who posts on this site and every other pro-independence site.
Chas is basically just a bit of fluff that’s stuck on Ellis & Mains
red, white & blue coat-tails.
At least DasBlimp, the Captain & Ascot are honest ‘The Cunts’ are pretending to be something they are not.
I see Neil Mackay in the herald is saying a big boy told him the russians support indy.
Missing the point that Cameron stood inviting Putin to come out against indy.
Missing the point Johnston attended russian bunga bunga parties in italy and took a week to sober up.
Missing the russians the conservatives have promoted to the house of lords
Missing the mysterious dark money that appear via ulster for the no campaign.
Clearly the herald is worth of a journalism award for such nonsense.
JohnLMAO
117? I read it was 116 on Friday and 118 yesterday.
Maybes “they” are censoring your internet too. I can’t imagine they would only have Geri in their sights. Every poster posing a real threat to the Zionist NWO will have been targeted, and that means even little you, JohnLMAO.
Haha, I crack me up.
To be serious for a mo, I can see from your hair-trigger trolling you’re desperate to make a name for yourself as a Wings BTL “big hitter”. Fair play to you for that – it keeps you off the daytime TV and maybes the sauce too.
We’re close to the top of the month, so I promise to send you a wee post early in February. It’s always a depressing month, so the least I can do for you is give your spirits a wee lift. Start you off in February with some validation.
Keep your eyes peeled – not too long for you to wait.
Ruby
I have strong hatred and contempt for every Student Grant type figure and every clueless eejit hinger oan who has reduced my country to the sorry condition I find it in. Every brain-dead, tribalist, zombie who jerks into unthinking support on sight of the SNP badge, even after endless posts on here about how they are all tractors and troughers.
And that includes every fearty, virtue signalling, reality denier who won’t call out the grinning, fraudulent stain on Scotland’s honour, currently squatting in Bute House, for what he is – a travesty, and a national disgrace that will indelibly mark Scotland’s historical record for as long as Scotland exists.
You are indited on every one of those charges, so off you go and apply some logic.
Geri @7.56am.
Geri.
Its not just Nato bases, of which both Sweden and Finland will now find themselves hosting, its the Great Satan’s (US) bases around the globe that worries folk, Japan alone has 120 US bases in its Ring of Fire around China.
The US has far more bases than Nato here’s a 2021 list of them, though Nato which has no remit in the South China seas want to/has expanded to encompass this region.
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Haha, I crack me up.
Everyday more cracks.
The cunt is well cracked!
Totally fuckin’ cracked!
More cracks than Humpty fuckin’ Dumpty.
I do, Ruby. The referendum result baffled me and I came here to find out what makes a ScotNat tick and why they rejected independence. I learn from here that it was because of the votes of non-native Scots. If Salmond was so brilliant he should have seen that one coming.
In any case, I see the Scottish and those of us fighting for an independent Mercia as brothers and sisters in arms. Viva Ashby-de-la-zouch!
Genocide John Main
Please don’t send me a post, I will only have to correct it’s errors and respond.
I’m busy enough editing the daily pish you produce.
Al Jazeera produced a list of about half the names of dead children your side have murdered.
link to interactive.aljazeera.com
link to archive.is
Archived link. Bloody ads
The mask slips: Nicola Sturgeon put secrecy at the heart of Scotland’s Covid response
Here’s a direct link:
link to holyrood.com
Holyrood Magazine are good guys.
Ruby @ 10:17 am
“Has it something to do with us being a colony? Is it important for our coliniser that we don’t have any confidence in ourselves.”
Yes, it is well-established in any colonial society “how an elite of usurpers, aware of their mediocrity, establish their privileges. By one means only: debasing the colonized to exalt themselves” (Jean-Paul Sartre).
In this environment the usurper continuously ridicules and destroys the colonized’s history, traditions, languages, culture, beliefs, and limits opportunities for native development (e.g. the cap on Scots university places; high energy and other utility costs; plunder of resources etc).
“The main task of the colonizer is to make any prospect of freedom for the colonized seem impossible” (Albert Memmi).
I’m glad John hasn’t “indited” me.
What happened though, one minute he’s trying to sound like Aesop, next minute he’s a threatening closet-racist hard man?
You’re losing your shit, John, take a break.
@Geri 11.51pm
You can doubt it all you want, what matters is where’s the evidence to support your assertion that you doubt people would vote the way you disapprove of, when the current figures show your chosen policies are rejected by a supermajority of voters. If wishes were horse, beggars would ride. I think all the evidence shows that post indy the majority of Scots would indeed vote both for NATO and EU membership, however much you and others might disapprove.
As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.
Like so many of the usual suspects in here, you’re long on assertion and wish fulfilment, and short on providing actual evidence, or even a coherent argument in favour of why your fringe minority worldview is suddenly going to become not only more popular than it is now (which is not very popular at all) but actually realisable and shared by the majority.
Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities in favour of EU and NATO membership.
We’ll wait….
RUBY
Im 20, not 17. That is number in your imagination.
I, my siblings, parents, extended family know more about the nasty reality of contemporary life than many would wish on an enemy.
I was born in a war torn scenario, hundreds of thousands like me. I/we had to grow up very quickly. Precocious maybe.
I cannot go «home». My home is planet Earth, location indeterminate.
Bonne journée madame.
DasBlimp farted again same sound same smell.
“Pfft” “Fraaap” “Poot” “Blat” “Thpptphtphphhph” “Braaap” “Braaaack” “Frrrt” “Blaaarp”
‘The Cunts’ seem to fart a lot.
You spelt “Thpptphtphphhph” wrong.
Should ‘Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty’ not be posting on the Doggers site.
He should go there and spam, spam, spam his mince.
How many times is that he’s spammed his mince about Humza ‘fuckin’ Yousaf.
‘Spam & Mince’ that is not a ‘plato combinado’ that should be served anywhere although some ‘Dogs’ might gobble it up!
@John Main 9.42am
I love it when these lack wits pontificate about their latest hobby horse issue and present it as a self evident truth. The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement is so outlandish that it surprises me even when it comes from fringe nutters as deluded as the usual suspects on here.
It’s a bit like those who drone on about how Salmond was right about Yugoslavia, when of course he was wrong, and it’s most unlikely that his views at the time reflected those of the majority of Scots. Happy to proven wrong, but I won’t be holding my breath to be shown the evidence otherwise.
Funny isn’t it, the sophomoric anti-EU, anti-NATO types continually harp on about there being no evidence, then when presented with the evidence ignore it, and/or insist the super majorites supporting membership will somehow evaporate post independence because *reasons*, whereas we’re enjoined to accept their assertions about the centrality of the Iraq war to the success of the independence movement as a self evident on the basis of…..nada, niente, zilch.
Why, it’s almost as if they haven’t been paying attention to Rev Stu’s concentration on evidencing things. Perhaps they think we won’t notice?
Ellis talking to Main.
It’s like two goldfish having a conversation.
Are you 20 today. What about three years ago when you posted as Ottomanboi?
I do not run a brothel so you can quit calling me madame.
Where is your home? Where do you live at the moment? I’m sure if you got in touch with the UK Gov they might be happy to help you out or find you a new home. Fancy Rwanda?
How do you know that many on here haven’t grown up in a war torn scenario for years?
How many years did you spend in the war torn scenario. Details please.
PS We here in Scotland cannot do a solitary thing to help you. Sorry Scotland is just a colony we are helpless we don’t even have a place we can call home.
We tried to help we marched in our millions to try to stop the war.
PPS Could you be clearer as to what you want from this forum?
Do you just want to chat with ‘The Cunts?’
If you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows
Ah bless your heart! There’s still hope for you yet.
That comment made me laugh!
Keep doing that and I’ll promote you from being a ‘fat cunt’ to a ‘good cunt’
Links to Craig Murray starting to appear on quite a few websites I frequent… good move, this is the way to go IMHO.
I think he will be VERY popular and it will make it much harder for them to stitch him up (again).
On this one with Ray McGovern and Mercouris and another geezer (Francis Boyle I think). Good analysis of the outcome of the ICJ and other related matters.
link to youtube.com
This is very silly: “Feel free to tell us how you’re going to convince the roughly 30-35% of Scots who are right of centre politically, the super majorities…”
Do I need to remind Ellis what support for independence was sitting at a year or two before 2014? It’s was less than 30-35%.
Incidentally, the SNP membership has always been quite divided on NATO, primarily because joining NATO is essentially an endorsement of nuclear weapons which the Scottish public and civil society are (or ant least were) against. You really should look into things before shooting your mouth off.
There’s very little in terms of polls and data to make a judgement on when it comes to Scottish public opinion and NATO. That in itself is probably a good indication that public opinion is at odds with the overlords.
We can guess that support for NATO has risen recently in response to the anti-Russian propaganda, it would be shocking if it hadn’t given the intensity of the onslaught, but these are shifting sands.
NATO is a US foreign policy tool and its primary purpose is to keep Western Europeans in line, not Russians. The EU needs to build its own integrated defence and military alliance.
The best way to find out where people stand on issues is through healthy discussion and debate. And we know that opinion changes through open debate (Scottish independence, Brexit, Trump, Gaza, being obvious examples).
It’s noteworthy that so many, like Ellis, are determined to prevent open debate these days, preferring to just shout people down and tell them what they should think.
If this democracy, I want my money back.
I am not even sure it is ‘two’ Goldfish Johnlm…
I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.
So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.
Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves… it is very sad way to make a living if so. I have seen them on other sites and there is sameness about them.
Not much you can do about it IMHO other than ignore. And that really does work but it takes time to work. I have lost count of the number of folk on here imploring others to ignore them but to no avail.
So it is what it is. Time to go enjoy Sunday.
SNP now forging documents. Confirmed fraud released to newspaper the Sunday Mail.
Dorothy Bain will be working overtime this weekend to cover everything up.
Won’t you Dorothy? She’s covering everything up. She’s a fraud. She’s a chalatan. And she’s bend Corrupt Lord Advocate. Aren’t you Dorothy.
The protector of the cabal?
Time for the national crime agency to huckle every one of you.
You’re all a disgrace to your offices.
When the Scottish cops fail to produce charges.
We must go above the lord advocate.
The British national crime agency. Is above the cops.
Someone get them on the phone.
Confirmed fraud. As revealed by the Sunday Mail (Daily Record).
And yet no charges have been brought.
This doesn’t look good. Does it Dorothy Bain?
It doesn’t look good for you.
It doesn’t look good for police Scotland.
And the SNP now will absolutely face complete and absolute annihilation. A party of fraudsters.
What’s worse, paltering or lying; “The idea that opposition to the Iraq war was the only, or even prime, reason for the subsequent rise of the independence movement…”
To be clear, I said the electoral success of the SNP in 2007 and 2011 was largely attributable to a backlash against Blair and the Iraq War. Everybody knows it’s true. The SNP lost seats between 1999 and 2003. There’s no way they would have won in 2007 (by one seat) if it hadn’t been for the anti-war stance on Iraq.
In turn, based on that success, Salmond secured the 2014 referendum from which the independence movement we know today sprang.
Thus, we are probably only here talking about these things here because of the Iraq War.
Criticising Salmond’s stance on Yugoslavia is deflection from his anti-war stance on Iraq which was pivotal to SNP success. I don’t know why you would want to do that unless it was your goal to traduce Salmond, and that would be an odd thing for an Alba member to do.
Goldfish swim around making not a sound. If only!
I think they are more like two parrots.
Johnny Parrot says: Andy Parrot is a pretty boy. Pretty boy Andy Parrot
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! Show parrot money! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Andy Parrot says: Johnny Parrot very pretty boy! Pretty boy. Johnny Boy
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! Nutters! SQUAWK! Fringe Nutters SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Cunt calling! Cunt calling! Cunt calling! SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Ooops I nearly forgot about Chastitty Parrot.
I’ll include her more in the next chapter.
She’s very flamboyant she’s a transgender parrot!
Bigot! Bigot! Bigot! Fuckin’ Terfs
SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!
Can you imagine how out of place you’d feel if you were a member of Alba who wanted to impress people with pro-Zionist, pro-US, pro-WWIII, pro-NATO views right now?
If Ellis really is a fish, he’s well out of water.
David Hannah , you are making me wish she wasn’t called Dorothy!
OK that’s enough research into ‘Cuntology’ for today. I should be getting my PHD in Cuntology soon from the ‘The BTL University of Wings’
Just before I go anyone know
what a Catfish Cunt is?
The strategic value of NATO to the USA
link to atlanticcouncil.org
«NATO has helped advance freedom and democracy in key regions of interest to the United States, thereby also advancing a key US strategic interest: promoting US values among friends, allies, and potential adversaries»
Promoting US values, at least they are honest about that, if not somewhat «adolescent».in tone.
With regard to internet censorship about two years ago DuckDuckGo announced that it was no longer going to show search results which it deemed harmful which basically meant anything which contained information which the sites owners did not want the general public to know about.
I was on a couple of dating sites and despite having my search radius set to Glasgow or within a five mile radius of I was continuously matched with women in Africa and/or Asia and appear to have no means of changing this. I would also be matched with ugly men in wigs and the site said that any complaint about this would be binned and that repeat complaints would lead to deletion of account for transphobia. I went and looked up who owned these sites and was surprised to find yet another coincidence.
Over at the foreign owned Herald its latest activist embedded as a politician/scribbler is a “refugee” Glasgow based SNP councillor. If you are not starting to notice patterns you are not paying attention.
With regard to Yugoslavia look up Madeline Albright, who did not know that she was Jewish, apparently, and who advocated bombing the shit out of the country. Sometimes the Guardian let’s things slip and in a piece on Yugoslavia about two years ago it mentioned how the Serbs made up something like 24% of the demographic and Muslims made up 15% but that less than two generations later the Serbs found themselves in a shrinking minority and that was when things kicked off. I watched a talk which was being given by what had been the Canadian ambassador to what had been Yugoslavia and he said that a ceasefire and peace agreement had been reached and was about to be ratified when the Clinton administration contacted the Kosovans and told them to declare UDI and that the US would immediately recognise it and support and arm them and that this continued the war for over a year.
I was looking up maps of demographics in what was Yugoslavia and some of the areas which had been granted to the Serbs were marked as no longer populated by them, they appeared to be being drawn back centrally from the areas which they had been assigned by the peace accord. The areas they had been in were marked as unknown population makeup which seemed a bit haphazard.
Just before her death I read up on Albright and she had formed a conglomerate with Jacob Rothschild and George Soros with the aim of buying every single mobile phone mast in Africa.
With regard to BTL, there are, imo, a couple of people using the racism card in a mirror image of how the anti semitisim card is played.
@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.
God almighty, is McGammon STILL here!
Ellis
***As for the planned citizens assemblies, it’s an interesting thought experiment, but about as likely to be realised as Scots voting to reject NATO and the EU. Where else does this? Iceland maybe…? I’m not sure how practical establishing such a system is in a country of 5.5 million rather than 350,000 but there’s nothing to stop those in favour campaigning for it. That’s a long way from making it happen, or assuming that many people share your aspirations.***
Ireland. Sweden. Nice to know Iceland do the same. Alien to you I’m sure cause you seem to be an idiot follower, not a leader. A narcissist who seeks no one else’s opinion but your own.
In A NORMAL, independent, democratic country -government seek public opinion on important matters & hold such things as open forums to present FACTS & with clear campaigning especially on contentious issues. Wasn’t that the YES campaign I’ve just described?
NATO, like everything else in this shite hole union, is NOT given full publicity on the BCC & especially not when they fck up. For example, are the public aware it’s broken international laws, only follows orders from the yanks & has it’s own political leaders that defy the united nations? I certainly didn’t a few years ago. It is also a nuclear alliance. It’d have no bother dumping nukes as the yanks have done so before. Or the illegal weapons they used in Iraq.
Public awareness is a wonderful thing. Let’s have a referendum eh!!! Because for all your bluster you dunno wtf Scotland thinks, on any subject. A Yougov poll isn’t, from a few random, isn’t conclusive proof of anything.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Here’s an archived link David
link to archive.is
Police investigating claims of ‘forged signatures’ on SNP documents
“@RoS, I apologise for flying off the handle at you a few days ago.”
No need for the apology, we all get a wee bit heated now and then, you might no see this reply I think I might be under moderation.
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second. There’s also a link to the RT Twitter/X/whatever. In any case yer Iron recommends that everyone has as little to do with Google as possible since they have turned into a controller shower of arseholes. Remember 20-25 years ago when their motto was, “Don’t be evil”? Alas in this world, some people really do become the thing they hate…
I didn’t know this was legal or allowed;
“It has emerged Yousaf requested a private off-diary meeting with the Chief Constable of Police Scotland before Sturgeon’s house was raided by fraud detectives. The “one to one” with Sir Iain Livingstone took place on March 31 – just two days after Yousaf became First Minister.
“The meeting is not mentioned in Yousaf’s official diary but papers released via Freedom of Information show his staff requested the summit but declined to say what he wanted to discuss. Police are also investigating more than 1000 alleged instances of fraud. An Amazon account used to buy everyday items is being probed.”
From the Sunday Mail article Ruby linked to above.
@Geri 1.39pm
I’m interested in places that have actually used such a system and then seen the recommendations through to them becoming policy and being enacted. I’m certainly open to persuasion that it’s potentially a useful tool and perhaps even necessary. I know the Icelanders used a similar method to try and agree a new constitution a few years ago, but it was never enacted I seem to recall.
you seem intent on inferring as a result of some perfectly reasonable questions that I’m fundamentally opposed: I’m not, just sceptical that it would work without evidence to the contrary. Using a citizens assembly to discuss whether to join NATO or the EU, or for any other major issues is certainly feasible.
In the end are the issues decided in such assemblies, or referred for ultimate decisions to referendums? Or are they then passed on to parliament to decide since the parties in them are (presumably?) elected on platforms which may agree with the recommendations, or may not.
The Yes campaign was seen as a real positive by most people, but obviously not all, and I don’t really think it’s comparable with the kind of citizens assembly you seem to be advocating. As I pointed out elsewhere, presumably such assemblies are supposed to be representative of the whole of Scots society, so post indy they will contain a cross section including right of centre voters.
Virtually all similar small European neighbours have conservative and / or Christian Democratic movements, and centrist liberals who make up a significant proportion of the electorate. It’s hardly likely a post independence Scottish electorate will be significantly different, even if there is a “natural” built in left of centre majority in comparison with (say) the current UK.
I don’t really buy the line that Scots are so doon hauden (to use one Alf’s favourite phrases) that they don’t know what’s going because the MSM is rigged or biased. It seems to me to remove agency from them, or more to the point allow them to blame others for their own lack of courage or political will. Of course, it’s much easier to construct a scenario where a big bot did it and ran away, than admit that Scots are just to feart, or too easily led, to put an “x” on a ballot paper.
You’re right of course, a single poll doesn’t prove much. a series of polls saying the same thing IS instructive however. As Rev Stu never tires of pointing out, folk always take issue with polls that don’t tell them what they want to hear.
Polls can’t prove that Scots will support NATO and the EU post independence, neither can they prove the opposite. It is however a brave person who is prepared to say that on the basis of current opinion, the likelihood is that the current supermajorities in favour of both are somehow going to be changed. Not impossible, just fairly improbable.
You’re free to disagree of course, nobody is stopping you: despite your rather desperate attempts to say I’m only interested in my own opinion or that it’s narcissistic. In fact I find the intellectual and political summersaults some people are prepared to perform endlessly fascinating: it’s just that I’m not obliged to take them remotely seriously, nor is it impermissible to to point and laugh at such folk because I think their take on life, the universe and everything is fairly sophomoric.
Doubtless both they and I will survive and get on with our lives.
The Flying Iron of Doom
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 4:25 pm
I dunno what you’re doing wrong but, here at Flying Iron HQ, searching for said thingie returns the RT website as the first link with the Wikipedia entry for RT as the second….
Follow the link. 😉
Not that anyone probably gives a shit on Wings over
ScotlandThe Middle East these days.Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.
For comparison.
The overall generation figures from 14th June 2023 to 27 January 2024 on the two shitty installations I mentioned were – 290 and 170KWhs.
Figures for a properly thought out 3.8KW system installed on a family member’s property.
From June 2023 to Dec 2024 – 2300KWhs (the annual figure for this system over last year was just shy of 4000KWhs).
Those generation figures for the badly installed systems are absolutely horrendous, and when you consider the small amount of electrical power they have generated and those units monetary value, it will take a very long time for the system to get close to any return on investment.
Mac says on 28 January 2024 at 12:34 pm:
“I have plenty of people and websites I think are talking industrial scale pish, WGD springs to mind, but would I spend anytime there arguing with them… fuck no.”
“So to spend all day on here pouring out the same drivel on a massive scale strongly points to those actors that Craig Murray refers to in his ‘signature’ to his articles.”
I often ponder the same thoughts, Mac. There are those who claim to be indy supporters yet seem to spend a lot of their time sitting on here attacking the beliefs of other indy supporters. Why? And if those beliefs they are attacking are as unpopular as they would have everyone believe then why the need to spend all day every day ridiculing those folk and their beliefs?
One of them even claimed to have a military background so you would have thought they, of all people, would know who the real enemy was, wouldn’t you? And i don’t agree with much of those being attacked but neither do i feel the need to pick on them and/or their beliefs.
I guess i can’t get my head around why someone who claims to be pro-indy prefers to waste their own time disrupting these WOS threads by attacking other indy supporters rather than go and frequent the btl threads of the Unionist online newspapers, where most of the Unionist “activists” loiter. That’s where you get to challenge Unionist policies etc.
To me it looks like those doing it are either one of the following, or a combination of the following:
(1) – Narcissists more interested in grandstanding their own perceived greatness. If i were chocolate i’d eat myself sort of thing.
(2) – They are BritNat Unionists masquerading as pro-indy.
(3) – And following on from No2 above but not necessarily the same thing, they are Unionist Trolls.
Mac also said: “Would not be surprised if there were a few, all having a ‘conversation’ with themselves…”
And you can take that to the bank, Mac. That’s a dead cert. You only need to look back over the last 3 or 4(?) btl threads and you will find the most blatant, laughable effort yet. You see the comment being posted from a username never seen on here before and within no time at all you see one of the usual suspects quickly appear under his usual Monika responding to the “mystery name” An even bigger giveaway is the utter bullshit in that response. Almost as if he’d created the other account to help him promote his own grandstanding greatness. Have to say, i find it as funny as f@ck. A modern political Del Boy. A chancer and conman. LOL!
Typo!
That should be:
“From June 2023 to Dec 2023” not Dec 2024…
Dan
Ignored says:
28 January, 2024 at 5:13 pm
Not that anyone probably gives a shit on Wings over Scotland The Middle East these days.
Further to my last post highlighting totally flawed taxpayer funded solar PV installations.
I recall something similar with regards smoking… Going back maybe 25 years, there was a Hypnosis Franchise (Alan Carr maybe?) which boasted a 96% success rate getting people to stop smoking instantly, and never smoke again. In my own personal experience, there’s a 100% success rate. No withdrawal symptoms, no weaning off ciggies, 40+ a day to 0, no preachy attitudes towards other smokers, frankly, no downside whatsoever. Just flicked a switch in my head.
So why, with this miracle on their doorstep, did the NHS start offering everybody Nicotine patches? You have a veritable cure, no side effects, versus simply changing the method of narcotic delivery, so yeah, let’s ridicule the former and throw money at the latter. Never mind the money, just think of all the human misery.
Far as I know, that’s still happening. I don’t really keep up since I haven’t had the remotest urge to smoke in around 28 years. But hey, there’s no proof it works – is there?
Sturgeon created a mini UK in Holyrood. Money intended to help children flowed to Consultants instead
link to robinmcalpine.org
Ellis
They worked in Ireland on the very contentious subject of abortion rights. Salmond put forward it could work with Trans rights too – they’re entitled to rights but NOT at the expense of others. They shouldn’t be in prisons either.
An assembly finding common ground on a contentious topic can reach compromise.
As for it working post indy – that is exactly what popular Sovereignty is. People power.
We also can take reference from the many excellent speakers & events during indyref. Informing the public before an important vote on the matter. NATO would be no different & neither would EU who actually insist on it prior to joining. As I’ve repeatedly reminded Genocide John – the EU insist on a public referendum & everyone is onboard first.
A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying because, as pointed out by the Supreme Court Ruling, Scottish independence would have serious consequences for the remaining Union who would ALSO have to renegotiate it’s own entry & application to International organisations with it’s brand new status too.
As Hatuey says – your pro EU, Pro NATO expansion (beyond it’s initial remit & now world police on just *suspected to happen* crimes, Pro WW3, Pro Yank, Pro Nukes, Pro I*rael, Pro 404, Ruskiephobia seems at odds with Alba for you to be “a founding member”
I think yer in the wrong party.
In an attempt to drag at least some discussion back onto Scottish matters where we actually should have the power to sort stuff out, rather than seemingly endless waxing lyrical on international matters which we can’t do anything about….
Linking back to this post from last September which mentions the dodgy solar installs, but also contains a link to another post re. local bus services.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
link to wingsoverscotland.com
So months on through winter (that’s winter when trees are dormant so ideal time for pruning…).
Well, I was speaking to local resident affected by this bus service issue this morning and learnt that it is still ongoing and they have contacted their MSP. Why the heck should they need to involve this level of political representative to sort this out.
Are the local council and 3 Councillors for the ward so utterly incompetent or lacking in power that they can’t manage to cut, or instruct the land owner to cut the overhanging branches that are interfering with road traffic which would clear the obstructions and thus allow the buses to travel along the road without getting the windows smashed.
I have not been keeping up to date with the various conflicts going on around the world at present and thought it would be a good idea to find out what is going on.
Thankfully there is no need to trawl through the multitude of media outlets to ascertain the facts. A quick look at the comments section on ‘Wings’, with its’ world renowned experts on EVERYTHING, is all anybody really needs. I am always humbled by the extensive knowledge that they possess.
I understand that Ruby had to visit the shop, where she got a scarf for Christmas, with a view to exchanging it. Apparently the one she got was too tight……………
@ Breeks
Ach give it a few years and they’ll be back to promoting smoking natural “analogue” tobacco ciggies to wean folk off toxic “digital” vapes.
The Woody Allen film Sleeper foresaw this.
1 min clip.
link to youtube.com
Breeks
Fair play on switching off the demon crave monster.
My Dad & Brother did the exact same. No gizmos. Just stopped.
My other brother, stressful job, just can’t do it. Even with a bypass late last year the crave was driving him mental.
Anyhoo, yes, they still give the patches, gum, inhaler etc over 12 weeks I think? Prescriptions on the NHS as over the counter is a packet!
The next big bucks is the new fat busting injections. Coming to an NHS soon no doubt.
Stoker
I’m a Scot. I live in Scotland. I’m a Scotland supporter. My family on both sides are Scots for as many generations as I have investigated.
I’m one of these Sovereign Scots some regulars like to post about. My say is of equal weight to the say of every other Sovereign Scot, whether that suits you or not.
The wider Indy movement, as represented by their tribal brand of choice, the SNP, has right royally fecked over my nation, and trampled all over my sovereignty, my interests, and my prosperity. I’m angry, and the intellectual lightweights and dishonest troublemakers infesting the BTL comments aren’t going to get a free ride to turn my country into any more of an international laughing stock than it is already.
As Hatuey was pointing out just the other day, rational, sane, responsible people read the comments on here. Many of these comments are a disgrace. Many of them are a tissue of lies. Many of them would be a real cause for concern to the commenter’s friends and family if spoken in public.
I’m trying to do what I can to counter the worst excesses of the troublesome and the troubled. If you really believe just leaving some of the effluent on here unchallenged is best for Scotland, then let me tell you – you’re wrong.
Dan
Good grief!
They get a bigger bus that has to go around a bridge to avoid cutting a few tree branches off?
That’s insane.
Chas
And Geri will be suing ScotGov and the SNP soon, for continually telling the Scottish people that if we do vote for Indy, no further vote on EU membership will be required, cos the first implies and guarantees the second.
Haha, I crack me up.
Geri wants back in the EU, and will tell any lie, no matter how brazen, or contradicted by facts, to get her way. Maybes she believes all of our internets are being censored, so we can’t work out the truth. Maybes she’s one of those pro-EU carpet baggers using Indy as a stepping stone to her real objective.
Maybes she’s just another “proud, patriotic Scot” who can’t wait to feck off out of the place at the first opportunity. Yay! EU freedom of movement! So long suckers!”
@ Ruby thanks for the link @ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming
As has been pointed out it seems very opportunistic that sturgeon just happened to absent herself when the police EVENTUALLY found the time to conduct a search of chez sturrell thereby negating the ability of our wondrous MSM and broadcasters to doorstep her
And all of a sudden after almost 2 years of investigation we have our ever vigilant police force in collusion with the forensic investigative world renowned journalism of the daily redcoat revealing publicly to much acclaim that some signatures MAY have been forged, I wonder whose signatures have maybe been forged, could this be another line of defence ,could maybe wee petey be being set up as the fall guy, or is Colin being set up to take the fall, or is honest John throwing himself on the fire to protect his great love, but we all know who will NOT be fingered ( no pun intended)
@Geri
A brand new government, in a brand new parly, recently returning to it’s proper statehood & brand new on the Int stage would NOT be business as usual or a simple transfer of power as you seem to be implying
I implied no such thing, you merely assumed it. Happy to help.
I wouldn’t know what Hatuey says unless others refer to him.
Perhaps my views on NATO and the EU are the minority in Alba. I can live with that. I think they’re the only really compelling pro-indy force at present, but they’re unlikely to make much progress until the SNP implode IMHO.
I doubt I’d stay in the party if adopted a specifically anti NATo and anti-EU stance, but like a lot of other party members, I don’t think it’s necessary to be absolutely aligned on every policy.
I imagine post indy there will be other parties, and given the current general views of “mainstream” Scots, I’m pretty sure there will be a left of centre party which is pro NATO and pro EU> At least it will be unlikely to contain some of the usual suspects from here which would be a relief.
Hatuey at 12:27 may really believe that support for NATO has arisen because of anti-Russti propaganda.
That’s what he posts at any rate.
Hard to imagine more effective anti-Russti propaganda than the exhumation of the torture victims and the summarily executed from the mass graves, wherever the Russtis are forced to abandon areas they previously overran.
Although the thousands of documented cases of babies, infants and kids, kidnapped from their birth families and farmed out for adoption in Russtiland runs it a close second.
The west should stop reporting this stuff – it’s giving the Russtis a bad name!
Tell you what you should do, Hatuey. Hit us with some positive, good news stories from the latest territory to fall under the Russti imperialist expansion. Or from some of the still-free places on the receiving end of their rockets, drones, bombs and ballistic missiles.
Don’t leave us waiting too long. The anti-Russti propaganda has us in its grip!
Genocide John.
I’ve repeatedly made clear that an EU referendum is mandatory on application. I dunno what other way you need it explained. To join the bloc a country needs to hold an EU ref.
You also assume, wrongly, that the SNP would be the new governing party post indy. How stupid can you be? The SNP won’t even be in charge at the next election never mind post indy.
Why don’t you jog on Tory boy. No one btl needs you putting anyone bang to rights on yer endless bullshit.
As Hatuey said the other day, knuckle draggers don’t seem to know they’re knuckle draggers.
You crack yourself up? That I believe 100%. Do you rock back & fourth too waiting on replies?
@ Geri
Aye, the bus takes an alternate route down dual carriageway now, so several small rural communities on the local road lose service.
The son has to nip away from his work at piece break, head home and pick up his elderly mother to take her down to local town a few miles down the road for a class she holds for other residents in the community.
Absolutely unbelievable that this hasn’t been resolved in months. The bus company would generate a little more revenue from fares if the service passed by these small communities rather than bypass them going down the dual carriageway. Not a lot, maybe, but her fare would at least cover the fuel used by the bus on that 5 mile section of road.
I went into the local council roads dept a few months back and mentioned this issue. Got some lame answer like it was difficult to identify and contact the landowners. But that’s utter bullshit though as it’s the same large estate landowner it’s been for decades on this particular section of road.
Twathater
**@ Hatuey 4.31pm I too was unaware that these types of meetings were correct or above board ,unminuted, unrecorded and obviously unwitnessed WHY would any official put themselves in that position and why would the approach be made by underlings, the stench is overwhelming**
Official business should be conducted in the official residence/Holyrood office & minutes recorded.
Dumbza should watch out. Next we’ll be having another batch of alphabetties claiming all sorts. Isn’t that what Sturgeon did when Salmond arrived for a visit at her home?
Stinks to high heaven if it’s true.
Dan @ 5.55pm
‘So many councils across Scotland seem to have lost the plot on what should be their priorities’ (Sept)
At one of the Wee Alba Book events I attended, Alex Salmond said that 95% of the electorate has no interest in politics. This is probably a fair assessment … and the reason politicians have carte blanche to rule as they see fit for a minimum of 5 years.
The 95% that Alex referred to probably rises to more than 99% at council level. Even on Wings, where readers and contributors do have an interest, I’d guess that few could name even 1 of their 4 ward reps.
Few would know the relationship between elected councillors and appointed executives, how executives are appointed and by whom, or who decides on expenditure.
And yet council issues have a greater and more easily understood affect on most folk. Councillors are easier to contact, and more likely to be local: you wouldn’t have a Glasgow councillor living in Dundee, for instance, if you get my drift.
Yet many dismiss local elections, don’t ever consider voting, and most of those that do vote blindly place an ‘x’ alongside their fav. party, missing a golden opportunity to dismantle the party system locally by choosing an independent candidate.
If this gained some traction at local level, there’d be greater accountability, better services, and who is to say that it wouldn’t catch on nationally?
Oh no, John Main, not another baby-killer argument. Like clockwork, every single time they want us to attack someone, people like you fall for stories about babies being tortured and/or killed.
It happened during in WWI;
“One investigation report said that they were given six addresses where Belgian babies’ hands were chopped off, but upon visiting the sites, no such evidence was found.”
link to tbsnews.net
It happened in the run-up to the first Gulf War in Kuwait;
“A number of human rights organizations say their investigations do not support it. Amnesty International, for instance, said its inquiries in April, 1991, shortly after the Gulf War ended, “found no reliable evidence that Iraqi forces had caused the deaths of babies by removing them or ordering their removal from incubators.””
link to latimes.com
It seems to have just happened in Israel;
“subsequent reports revealed that no such beheadings have been verified by any Israeli or international source – probably because they never happened. This was just one dramatic incident of false reports spreading in the public sphere via mass media to denigrate one’s foes…”
link to aljazeera.com
And now we are told it’s Vlad who is at it… there’s countless other examples in history of this sort of propaganda.
In other real world news, we now know and it’s been confirmed by several respected Aid agencies that several thousand totally innocent children have been killed in the latest Israeli “war” on Gaza.
And then there’s this old chestnut;
“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima,” Stahl said. “And, you know, is the price worth it?”
“I think that is a very hard choice,” Albright answered, “but the price, we think, the price is worth it.””
link to newsweek.com
How come you only seem to care about children when you are arguing that we should attack someone? How come you don’t seem to care about the children our policies harm? And why do you and people like you repeatedly fall for this sort of crap?
It’s puzzling. Truly puzzling.
News about ALBA…
link to offtopicscotland.com
Ian B
Who says they wouldn’t be going to work? They can work perfectly well from their consistency office can they not?
So basically it’s just more of the same.
Re the oath & they *really wouldn’t mean it* would be the gift that keeps on giving as yoons & media give them pelters at every opportunity of what else they didn’t really mean in parliament.
Jeez…
Hatuey @ 4.31.
Re the meeting between Humza and the Chief Constable on the 31st March last year.
I have read the newspaper article and have tried to find the FOI response which gave the information reported, but without success.
Do you know (or anyone else – the Rev. perhaps) where I can find this response on the official FOI site?
This is a very curious revelation which sets off alarm bells. It needs further investigation.
Hatuey
It’s a britnat thing.
If it’s not dead babies it’s a good ole sex scandal raping them.
They’re not right in the head.
Anyone would have thought the *shock & awe* reaction would’ve worn off at least by the third outing of the same story/different country by now. Whoever thinks that’s a good propaganda story back at propaganda HQ is obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies.
I see Mackay has a real funny article in the herald saying the Russians support indy. Funny he missed Cameron standing with Putin or Johnstone partying with them and promoting them to the house of lords.
And they get an award for journalism. You could not make this shit up
NATO meaning
Not AlTogether Organised in the event of an all out strike but hey is this a cushy number or what. I get my own penthouse an all FAB!
Merganser, I believe this may be the information you are looking for; link to gov.scot
Click the links to appendices. And please let us know if you find anything of public interest.
John Main
You do realise that a lot of the all too regular posters on here, was going to name some ‘names’ but decided against it, are far more ‘Scottish’ than you, me and a few others who regularly question a lot of their posts.
Being born and bred in Scotland, with family links going back for generations, is immaterial to them. In their minds, and their minds only, the true test of being a Scot and an Independence supporter is to want Independence tomorrow, with no idea of what that would actually entail. I often wonder how they reconcile their fervour for Independence with those individuals posting on the Wee Ginger Dug site? Both apparently want the same thing yet are the polar opposites in agreeing on who would form a Government. The only other thing they have in common is the hatred of anything English.
Bunter got approx 40% of the vote in the last GE which gave him a landslide. SNP got approx 32% in Scotland, which give them 50+ MP’s to effectively achieve nothing of note. Our electoral voting system has not changed for donkey’s years but Scotland, the UK, indeed the world has changed beyond all recognition. I am not sure if PR is the answer but something surely has to change. The sad thing is that is not in the best interest of the two main Political Parties to change anything.The Scottish Electoral system is also seriously flawed when we have two loons, as Government Ministers, who nobody voted for, but, we all know why they are there!
The outlook is not particularly rosy.
Merg, I did post a link for you to the FOI requests and responses but for some reason it has not shown… maybe it will appear at some point.
Would that not be down to the fact that we are a colony?
Also that people believe the councillors are corrupt.
I have often heard people use the term ‘broon envelopes’
and also have no faith in the council doing anything right.
I became interested in politics when the possibility of independence was on the table.
During that time there were a lot more than 5% of the electorate interested in politics. It was all people were talking about for 2-3 years.
Prior to that I just thought one lot got in ie Labour and they mucked up then the other lot got in ie Tories and they mucked up so on an so forth.
Were it not for ‘Women’s Rights’ being in jeopardy I would probably be as switched off as I were prior to the IndyRef debate.
It would be very hard to get people interested in politics at this point in time.
Try this, Merganser, second attempt…
link to gov.scot
And make sure you click appendices.
@Hatuey says: 28 January, 2024 at 7:45 pm
people like you fall for stories about babies being tortured and/or killed
Aw naw! How can I be so dense?
WW1 – “no such evidence was found.” Cool, just a story then.
first Gulf War in Kuwait – “found no reliable evidence.” Cool, another story.
It seems to have just happened in Israel – “no such beheadings.” Whew, yet another story – that’s a relief. Warning bells sounding over the weasel word “seems” though. That word usually marks a lie by the user.
“And now we are told it’s Vlad who is at it.” You reckon he’s not? Why has the ICC issued arrest warrants for the crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas?
Oh wait, you say that’s just a story – relief!
“several thousand totally innocent children have been killed in the latest Israeli “war” on Gaza”.
Ah c’mon now Ted. You’ve “proved” these other ones are all just stories. Where’s your proof of this one then? Testimony from the terrorists staffing UNRWA?
“We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died”
Soz an all that, Hats, but you don’t get to string together a bunch of anecdotes, then claim some of them are all lies, and some of them are gospel truths, but only the ones you want to get exercised about are the gospel truth ones. Awa an educate yersel.
And take a wee look in the mirror the next time you want to pontificate about eejits falling for made-up propaganda.
I feel desperately sorry for any cause relying on you to help it out. Cos you’re a consummate dunderheid who tarnishes every cause you try to support.
Merganser, I did post what I think are links to the FOI requests and response from ScotGov but for some reason they aren’t publishing.
It’s a conspiracy, of course, you’re all in on it, even Wings…
The thing about the internet is you can be anything you want to be.
Well you can for a short time and then your posts give you away and others start to suspect you are a fake.
Oh God, they’re not only claiming to be proud of something they had no role or say in, where they happened to be born, they’re now taking pride in where their ancestors happened to be born… down the blood and soil rabbit hole we go.
Speaking of soil, do you know if you go back into your genes far enough, you will find you are related to dandelions? Don’t get upset, we all are. We are related to every living thing.
I wonder if dandelions suffer from pride…
@Geri 6.51pm
I’ve repeatedly made clear that an EU referendum is mandatory on application. I dunno what other way you need it explained. To join the bloc a country needs to hold an EU ref.
You’re wrong. It’s not required for a country to become a member or for the accession process.
@Geri says: 28 January, 2024 at 8:23 pm
obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies
That’s a grand post, a shrewd observation, and a sure-fire vote winner. Did you feel the rapture there, Geri? That was a surge in Indy support, arising from your post.
And you know what? It wasn’t just a surge in support from the heid-the-ba’s either. It was the university educated, the cosmopolitan, the deep thinkers, the politically and economically astute, the movers and shakers, the great and the good, industrialists, bishops, savants, sages, the high IQ people, the savvy billionaires, who suddenly recognised the cogency of your case for Indy:
obviously a nonce & has a bit of an obsession/projection thing going on involving babies
Bravo, Geri!
@Dan, I not only read your post but spoke to someone in the real world about it over the weekend re the lack of generated power and ill thought installation.
Why don’t you name names? Is it because you can’t?
There are not that many people posting here. Who are these regular posters, usual suspects, fringe nutters that you cunts refer to on a regular basis?
I interpret all these names as meaning ‘independence supporters’ and that you hate independence supporters. All All this ‘show us the money’ guff is all straight out of your ‘Better Together Handbook’
You will need to be more precise otherwise you are just seen as a squawking parrot
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
Johnny Parrot pretty boy! Usual suspects, Usual suspects, Usual suspects Johnny Parrot Clever Boy
fringe nutters Show me the money, Show me the money, Better Together Better Together
Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!
How about you go away and write something new not the same mince that you have been spamming for the last three years and see if you can convince me you are not a hard core Unionist coming on here to cause trouble.
Nobody has questioned whether you are Scottish or not. There are plenty Scottish Unionists but like you they are British first.
You can name me any time you like but before you do let me tell you that I’ve heard it all before.
Mark Beggan would like to thank the good Rev Campbell… well thanks for the foundation of truthful journalism.
Hatuey –
You’re too impatient. There can be an indeterminate delay before comment appear. You have to keep refreshing the page.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Hatuey,
Thanks for the info. I have read the FOI release.
Not sure what to make of it. Humza obviously wanted a brief chat with the Chief Constable after a formal meeting. Could have been about anything – we’ll never know. It looks like a formal request was made, contrary to what the paper states. Even if formal notes were taken, reasons would be found for not releasing them.
It just looks suspicious in view of what happened a few days later.
Perhaps Humza just said ” Nicola sends her love”. Ha ha.
Aye so you say Andy but I don’t believe a single word you write, nothing you write, nothing John Main writes and Chas well he’s just another Unionist who has recognised you two for what you are.
Can you name these usual suspects, fringe nutters, etc that you keep pontificating about?
As for TURABDIN I’ll wait to see his answers before deciding about him.
As it stands I’m suspicious.
My last comment had a delay between 5 and 10 minutes before appearing.
It’s great to know there’s been confirmed fraud within the SNP.
Douglas Chapman was right all along…
This is why shifty Peter Murrell wasn’t letting him look at the cooked books.
Walter Scott. “Oh what a tangled Web we weave. When first we practice to deceive.”
I hope the press are viscous this week. Leaky Liz Lloyd has already washed her hands of Sturgeon. You’re on your own now nicola. A leapord doesn’t change its spots now after all.
Delighted with the confirmed fraud.
Charge them boys.
O/T: salmon farming firms taking Don Staniford to court to stop him paddling near their farms and taking videos in order to publicise the damage done to the fish and the environment. They want to stop ANYONE from coming close to their farms AND stop drones flying over i.e. its an attack on all of us.
Lawyers have worked 2 years pro bono on this man’s case but now for the Edinburgh High Court appearance he needs to pay a barrister so there’s a crowdfunder on crowdjustice.com:
“Help Expose the Welfare Nightmare of Salmon Farming!”
link to archive.is
Bloody ads
They are calling him
‘trans paedophile butcher’
Shona says
‘there was “no evidence that holding a Gender Recognition Certificate is exploited by predatory offenders.’
Sigh!
The Tory woman like Kemi Badenoch & Rishi Sunak are pretending the GRA 2004 is not part of UK legislation and they don’t believe men can change sex when the the UK legislation allows for precisely that.
Here’s the direct link. Cant read the archived version for Bloody ads
link to scottishdailyexpress.co.uk
Did we ever find out how the ‘trans paedo butcher’ got his black eye?
BDTT; “You’re too impatient.”
100% guilty. And I’m usually doing 10 things at once, all whilst smoking and drinking coffee.
Merganser, I’m not 100% certain the documents I linked to are the ones referred to in the newspaper… I’ve not had time to look closely and found them in a bit of a rush after a couple of searches – are we assuming they are?
Either way, you’re right. We will never know what they get up to, between their redactions, their deletions, and their generally secretive behaviour we have no chance.
You’ve got to assume that what we do know is only the tip of a massive iceberg, though.
@Andy Ellis 9:09
Geri is an expert on commercial aviation. We don’t know if she flies airliners, or is responsible for bolting on the false doors on the factory floor.
She also has an absolute fixation on getting us into the EU without a democratic mandate. To that end, she repeatedly lies about the SNP’s policy of using any future Indy referendum as a parallel referendum for EU membership. A twofer in other words. A vote for Indy will also count as a vote for joining the EU.
I recognise we don’t see eye-to-eye on iScotland’s relationship with the EU, but I do hope you will accept that we Sovereign Scot citizens of a future Independent Scotland should at least have the opportunity to assess the membership options on offer, before having a free and democratic vote on which we should accept, if any.
But if you don’t agree, I’ll try not to post a hysterical diatribe of potty mouthed insults back at you 🙂
BBC reporting an escaped monkey on the loose in Kincraig.
Anybody noticed if one of the usual suspects has been offline today?
Locals have been advised to hide all SNP badges. If the monkey manages to grab one, it could find itself immediately voted into HR.
And then residency of Bute House is only one fraudulently run election away …
Chas
**Bunter got approx 40% of the vote in the last GE which gave him a landslide. SNP got approx 32% in Scotland, which give them 50+ MP’s to effectively achieve nothing of note.**
The Scottish National Party (SNP) received the most votes (45%, up 8.1% from the previous election) and won 48[n 1] out of 59 seats—a gain of 13 over those won in 2017, and 81% of the Scottish seats in the House of Commons.[2]
Interesting innit. Bunter got less % but managed to pull off *the will of the ppl – Deal or no deal=shit deal* bullshit while Scotland was mocked & told to sit down & shut it about Indyref.
**Our electoral voting system has not changed for donkey’s years but Scotland, the UK, indeed the world has changed beyond all recognition. **
Make up yer mind. Are you Scottish or English? You seem upset Scotland actually did something about it & campaigned for change. Both for Holyrood & permanently through Indyref.
Blame naw voters – they fcked the vote to remain exactly the same & with absolutely fck all idea what that would entail or that of Brexit either.
**I am not sure if PR is the answer but something surely has to change. The sad thing is that is not in the best interest of the two main Political Parties to change anything.**
Then again, do something about it. Why be on an Indy site 24/7 posting how boring we all are. Get England to change. You can start by demanding yer own wee pretendy parliament & then we can all pour over their annual accounts of how pish poor they are. Jellied eels & Jam not exactly racking it in to pay for all the warring they do.
Go & get started. Campaign for English independence.
@Geri 11:56
Dinna fash, ye’re a long way from being boring. The very opposite in fact. I find you continually fascinating, approximately in inverse proportion to the level in your bottle.
And it’s “pore”, not “pour”. Haha, wee Freudian slip from you there, but again, dinna fash.
Shame yer internet is being censored by “them”. You could check this stuff out for yourself.
Genocide John.
The SNP is finished. Over. Finito.
Stop fapping over them. Sturgeon, Dumbza, the EU.
I doubt they’ll survive trannygate to be involved in anything at Holyrood ever again.
& I don’t get why you keep banging on about the EU. Most posts that I’ve read on here seem to be against full membership, at the very least until it gets it’s house in order. I have also said that I’d personally not rush into another union – so yet again you tell lies.
So calm yourself. Deep breaths. No one is dragging yer racist wee arse back there anytime soon are they? Fck me – the SNP couldn’t even secure a glorified opinion poll amongst it’s own citizens who gifted them various mandates, they’re hardly going to go all in & parachute ye intae the EU while you were busy reading up on mutilated babies that just so happen to be in ever Brit war ever started. Funny that innit?
Genocide Gaslighting John
I think you’ll be the one ending up censored if you keep it up.
I suggest you read the rules on correcting people’s grammar & spelling rather than sticking to the subject.
A classic trait by those who have fck all else to say but pick over other people’s grammar & typos on a regular basis.
Get a life.
For goodness sake.
Humpty ‘fuckin’ Dumpty is going on about ‘the usual suspects’
Oh and guess what else he’s on about?
Humza Yousaf and the fraudulent erection. SSDD!
And you know what it’s all your fault, yes you ‘usual suspects’ I’m looking at you. You should be doing something about the fraud in Bute House. You could at least stand for election or erection or something.
Do something you waste of space fringe nutters.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.
Fringy fringy nutter Nutty nutty fringer
Fringy fringy nutter nutty cuuuuuuuunt.
Hoorah! Bravo! Guan yersel!
Quote of the day: “the SNP couldn’t even secure a glorified opinion poll amongst it’s own citizens who gifted them various mandates, they’re hardly going to go all in & parachute ye intae the EU while you were busy reading up on mutilated babies…”
Congratz Geri.
Heheheheeee
Hatuey
*Takes a bow* lol
Genocide John is bricking it incase he ends up back in the EU without his knowledge. The Dumbo doesn’t realise his beloved UK will probably be there afore us. They must surely miss being in the thick of it & meddling now that things are hoting up. Maybe Starmer will u turn & frighten the shite out of him lol.
Ruby..
Aye. You’d think these eejits would do something to force change. Scotland did. It isn’t our fault their union is shite – we told them it was. They do feck all about it.
The English are thick as mince. They could jettison the Royals & the two party state if they really, really, really wanted to. Jeez – they’re being restricted beyond belief by the Tories & Labour (who promise to change nothing )but that seems perfectly OK. As long as it’s not the pesky EU imposing their fictitious rules they’re happy for the Tories to do real ones in perpetuity.
All England had to do was protest for workers rights & down tools. Bring the country to a standstill. They couldn’t even do that & Tories changed the rules on voting, protest & crime including thought crime without so much as a squeak from any of them.
Yet here they are, on an Indy site, a site dedicated to change, telling us all where we’re going wrong, were anti English & it’s them who they voted Naw or live in the shite country that hold the power & do nothing with it.
You couldn’t make it up..
There’s a story on the Daily Express. Perhaps Ruby can archive it.
Homicide cops are to interview unite the unions and whistleblowing NHS nurse. Leslie Roberts.
You need to get Leslie Roberts on Wings Over Scotland. She’s making serious allegations and the police about the death protocol introduced by the NHS health boards.
Could this have something to do with whg Sturgeon’s deleted all her bleeding messages?
Leslie lost her relatives to covid. Was also
“She was a senior nurse with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde at the outset of the pandemic. Her original complaint centres on three main allegations – that ministers and officials broke the law by enforcing the infamous policy to clear space in hospitals by transferring elderly and infirm patients into care homes; that ministers and officials knew there were concerns about the efficacy of PPE including face masks, which didn’t provide adequate protection for NHS and social care workers; and that there was an increased use of Do Not Resuscitate orders, leading to unnecessary deaths and suffering.”
The Scottish Daily Express. Whistleblowing nurse Leslie Roberts. She’s making serious allegations.
The massive scale, corporate homicide investigation called operation Koper.
Officers from the Unresolved Homicide Investigation Team – West are searching for pandemic criminality as part of Operation Koper, set up to look into the care home deaths.
Someone needs to get this brave whistleblowing nurse on the phone now. The cops, are interviewing her. Scotland deserves to know, the details. Get her on the prism show. Tell Roddy. Get her on Wings Over Scotland.
Set the truth free brothers and, sisters.
Good suggestion about contacting Roddy MacLeod to have Leslie Roberts as a guest on the Prism show.
Through a Scottish Prism a a very well watched show now and gives great commentary on political developments.
David Hannah
Ignored says:
29 January, 2024 at 3:31 am
The Scottish Daily Express. Whistleblowing nurse Leslie Roberts. She’s making serious allegations…
I’m no friend of Sturgeon, but the Daily Express is not a publication to take seriously, and Ms Robert’s precise credentials as a “whistleblower” need clarification.
As I understand it, Lesley Roberts, Rab Wilson and Roger Livermore made accusations of Corporate Manslaughter against the Scottish Government in March 23. Err, what were these public spirited individuals waiting for?
There “may” be an element of truth in some of it, I really don’t know, but it’s hard to be sure of anything beneath the overwhelming pungency of shit stirring, and serial shit stirring of all things Scottish where the Express is concerned.
Mind, given the dwindling readership of these Unionist rags, perhaps they can be excused for a degree of desperate sensationalism…. A drowning man and all that.
Personally, I just treat these publications like trolls and scroll on by. These days the “news” is generally found elsewhere… pretty much always.
The one qualification I would make, in fairness to these “whistleblowers”, is the big problem with a corrupt mainstream media.
If you do have a genuine grievance, which rancid organisation do you go to for the necessary publicity? You’re kinda stuck, aren’t you?
@John Main 11.30pm
I’m reasonably agnostic about the EU, particularly after its behaviour during the Greek debt crisis and its worrying tendency to kowtow to repressive actors like the Spanish government in relation to Catalonia and to the populist governments in Poland and Hungary.
My personal views however are largely beside the point: all the available evidence suggests that post independence the overwhelming majority of Scots will still be supporting full membership.
Despite Geri’s airily given (and false) assertion that the EU insists on a referendum for a candidate country to join, it’s not an official EU rule either to join or to accede, although historically those applying for membership have done so.
I’d certainly expect there to be one for important matters like EU or NATO membership, or monarchy versus republic, but it wouldn’t be unheard of for such matters to just be voted for in parliament based on the platforms of the various parties: that what representative democracy usually entails after all. Doubtless that would send some of the usual suspects over the edge, or they’d be insisting it can only happen after a Citizen’s Assembly or some form of direct democracy.
After all, it’s not as if a population have ever voted for something as self-harming as leaving the EU is it?
Oh….wait…
@Ruby
“I would rather be a fringe nutter than a cunt.”
Isn’t that a line in a Simon and Garfunkel song?
Tomorrah is the anniversary of the day when a young woman in the HoC gubbed a gubmint Minister for lying to cover up moiders. That should be de rigueur, n’est ce pas? With clubs.For lying.
Sam
Not many of the regulars on here would avoid being clubbed then, would they?
This place would be like an ice flow shortly after a visit by Japanese sealers.
But let’s cut to the big story galvanising Scotland this morning. Are the rumours of an impending by-election in the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey constituency true?
And does that mean the monkey is not only still at large, but did manage to grab itself an SNP badge?
Just to stick my oar into the conversation above between David H. & Breeks .
I am not a doctor and can’t claim to know but these guys are apparently esteemed Professors and the fact they are saying this should give us all pause for thought…
tinyurl.com/2d9jkt56
tinyurl.com/d8sxewju
In the second link one of them is in a big train station in Japan somewhere trying to warn the public. He actually uses the word evil.
I think the people in charge of all the countries rolling out the ‘woke’ agenda on its populations are very likely all the same, for all intents and purposes, evil.
Are they capable of this? You bet they are.
@Andy Ellis
I guess we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out. The War being, of course, the biggest determinant of the two trajectories of interest.
For Scottish Indy, acting to stop it happening. (My view, I know not shared by you)
For the EU, acting to accelerate its break up.
I know that generally on here, we don’t “do” mainstream media, but the Guardian Online yesterday had a couple of very pessimistic articles about the forces tearing at the fabric of the EU.
And one of them coined a memorable phrase: “The EU has a consistent track record of punching below its weight.”
That can be clearly seen in the Red Sea crisis right now. Months of interruptions to crucial EU trade, continuing to escalate, and the EU can do little more than issue some bleats of protest. Whilst hoping against hope that non-EU powers will take the risks and take the costs of dealing with the problem.
Why am I able to see inside that office? Shouldn’t it be redacted?
@Geri 3:01
It’s “we’re” when you are abbreviating “we are”.
When you write “were”, it renders your sentence incomprehensible, unless the reader takes the time to puzzle it out from its context.
When posting, you should aim to increase the power and reach of your text by making every effort to maximise lucidity and comprehensability. Getting your syntax, grammar and spelling right is a key part of that.
Take the time and trouble to read over each post and make corrections/clarifications before hitting that “Submit” button. You’ll find it pays dividends – trust me on that.
Flying Iron
Wikipedia is your friend.
As to why it was banned in most of the west, I think somebody sensitive got mis-gendered.
And from that, in today’s moral climate, there can be no return. Soz.
@John Main
“comprehensability.”
You crack me up. Your rude sneering at Geri’s grammar is completely undermined by your inability to spell “comprehensibility”.
Instead of appearing just to be looking for mistakes why not be polite and look at the substance?
There’s the Leslie Roberts homicide cops interviewing the whistleblowing nurse.
And now. Rumour has it. According to the Daily Mail. Ian Blackford’s wife has turfed him out. The humble crofter wants to buy a house in London.
Which would explain why he wants to join the house of Lords.
If only you’d been a better man. I wonder if his wife found out about his role in the failed Alex Salmond conspiracy.
And then she’s kicked him out. I do wonder.
Pile on the agony. I hope the press tear them to shreds this week.
The covid inquiry. Sturgeon takes the stand on Wednesday. Through the book at her.
Sturgeon done it. She’s the one they will blame for all of this!
I can’t wait. I’ve been waiting for years for you Nicola. To be torn to shreds. A reduced figure… If only you’d been a better woman… Yesterday’s woman… If only Nicola. If only your behaviour.
Band over the whatsapp messages you absolute bint! Or we’ll the national crime agency to get the data from Meta. Hand it over sturgeon. You absolute cretin.
It makes me happy. To see the SNP in turmoil. I actually really enjoy it. It makes me smile.
Yousaf not very popular on the DM Online this morning.
Something about him spaffing our Scottish tax payer’s hard earned on his pals in Gaza.
At least the mystery of Dan’s neglected vegetation is partially solved. Our dosh goes on supporting terrorism, and helping Yousaf’s extended family escape the worst fall out from that terrorism.
Some of the usual suspects should get on there and explain how Yousaf was fraudulently elected by a secretive and corrupt cabal of SNP apparatchiks. As things stand, to most of the outside world, it appears that Yousaf speaks for and represents Scotland.
We all need to get the word out – he does neither.
I seen that John. The First Minister of Gaza has announced that funding will not be suspending the £750,000 of Scottish tax payers money linked to the UNRWA UN agency under investigation for terrorism links.
Hamas Yousless more like.
You just did.
Sam 10:10
Where’s the rude sneering?
Where’s the impoliteness?
Good spot on the spelling error, but be honest, were you really looking at the substance of my post yourself when you decided to make a point about it?
You have certainly inferred stuff about it that wasn’t there.
Here you go David
One from The Herald
Whistleblower nurse fears official Scots Covid inquiry ‘cover-up’
link to archive.is
One from the Express
link to archive.is
Whistleblowing nurse says Scottish Covid Inquiry is ‘fatally flawed’ due to SNP influence
John Main @10:22
Cheers John 🙂
I reckon any (expletive deleted) clowns conflating the UN with terrorism must have lost the plot completely and risk removal from office by men in white coats rather than just the police/ electorate*
eg Remember when funding was pulled for NHS after Smeato punched out one of their flaming Doctors at Glasgow airport back in the day?
*If they been using UN as cover for assymetric warfare elsewhere in the region that’s whole other story, albeit one that invites profound reflection on the merits of waiting until they’re inside the cuckoo nest to provide full transparency on such wild conspiracies!
He wants to buy a house in London to ensure he can continue in the Lords when Scotland becomes independent. Remember when the Scottish Lords did research into their position vis a vis continuing in the Lords in the event of Scottish independence. All they had to do was move to England.
He’ll be joining Dr ‘Whatsherface’ soon in the Tory Party.
link to archive.is
What can one say about these cunts?
Cunts!
Oh Gawd!
You ‘usual suspects’ are at it again.
You need to get the word out about Humza Yousaf’s fraudulent erection.
Hang on! John Main is going to tell us how to do that.
Nutter!
Stu is fed up! So I’m not sure if he’s up to writing about Humza’a fraudulent erection at the moment just for Humpty ‘totally cracked’ Dumpty.
Stu could be fed-up with all the ‘War Porn’ being posted on his website.
I think it was clear that Stu wasn’t into the ‘War Porn’ when he listed UK-raine and Pu*tain as banned words.
Did the ‘War Fetishists’ listen no they did not.
Disrespectful deviant cunts!
That is pathetic Blimp Boy!
“Ruby
Ignored
says:
29 January, 2024 at 10:50 am
Cunts!”
Nah, they lack the warmth and the depth…
Geri, Geri, Geri, Geri, Geri…
Wow! I feel like a pop star!
Sam
Cheers! A wee bit of Karma there lol
Genocide John
Who do you think created & funded Dumbzas *pals* in Gaza before it all went horribly wrong?
Gowan, Gowan – give us all a laugh..
Sunak was elected by a couple of mates.
You’d think Genocide John would be more worried about a UK prime minister in charge of nukes & state security than he would be about a diddly wee branch manager with a few admin duties …but apparently not.
Yoons, who is like them eh?
Hatuey @ 11.04.
The link was the right one thanks.
It’s pure speculation on my part, but I think Humza was probably trying to get some information about ongoing events. I imagine he got short shrift.
As the new leader of the party he would have been desperate to know about certain matters and how they were proceeding and probably saw this as an opportunity to test the water with the CC, who was not going to put his head on that block.
But we’ll never know because they won’t tell us. And even if they did say something, we would never know if it was the truth.
The SNP have doomed themselves with their secrecy and lies. The sooner they go, the better.
Maybe!
I was inspired by a young woman singing during a football match about how she would prefer to be Pakistani than be a Catholic.
Have you got a link to this clubbing of gubmint minister?
I would quite like to see them being dragged naked into the street getting their mouths washed out with carbolic soap and their heads shaved even if they hadn’t a single hair on their shiny heeds.
What ever happened to thon Tory accused of rape? Is the investigation still continuing?
PS You’re pretty ‘au fait’ with the French. Have you already got your O grade mon ami?
@Ruby
Nothing to show the actual event. But here.
link to bbc.co.uk
Thon Tory -dinnae ken.
I’d rather be a nutter than a cunt,
Yes, I would if I only could,
I surely would.
Could be catchy. Once in your head.
I’d rather eat a sardine than a whale.
Mais oui. Depuis longtemps. Mais je ne peut parler bien.
Bernadette – elle est magnifique
So, it looks like they’re doing everything possible to silence the whistleblowing nurse, right before our eyes. It’s another judicial charade, a stitch-up, made in Scotland.
There are dark forces at work. You don’t see them, they hide in the shadows, behind curtains and cloaks of secrecy. You’re not allowed to see them, and if you do it’s illegal to speak of them.
You can see what they leave behind though, there’s no hiding that; the carnage, the failure, the broken lives, empty purses, bills, etc.
They can hide evidence of their involvement, but a trail of spotless crime scenes is still a trail.
@Ruby
“mon ami” ou “mon amie”. Mes pronouns, s’il vous plait. Je m’identifie comme un chat.
En francais, tout le temps c’est masculin.
I doubt the Ned in Red would delete all those messages just for a few swear words and insults and incur all those very negative headlines… must be much worse.