From the archives #13
Posted on
June 14, 2020 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
We’ve noticed a fair few Unionists this week proudly claiming that an independent Scotland would have been too broke to survive the coronavirus pandemic. They might not listen to our many and comprehensive rebuttals, but maybe they’d heed the words of Tony Blair, from way back in October 1987:
The sliding doors of history, there, readers. When Unionists tell you Scotland is feeble, remember who made it that way, and never forget how it could have been.
Commie!
We have dodged so many bullets we could supply the world with lead.
I remember someone, ‘Mr Salmond’ saying Scotland has no debt!
I remember WM Gov PM Cameron admitting that Scotland could go ‘Scot’ free if it voted for independence but it would be bad form if we rotters did it, not cricket kinda stuff. 🙁
I remember it being confirmed by Glasgow Labour MP Davidson Head of the WM Committee that Scotland was not in debt and need not have to pay a ‘population share’ if it decided to go.
I remember Mark Carney in a Westminster committee being asked what was Scotland’s worth.
North of a few Trillion £ …was his answer to a subdued group of Tory members and the press at the meeting and that was before the assets were shared out.
How did we end up here? 🙁
If memory serve, I recall that Thatcher could not have planned to take back the Falklands from Argentina without the wealth boom from the oil industry. As we all know by now the McCrone report hidden away from prying eyes by Westminster for decades showed that an independent Scotland would’ve had an embarrassment of wealth due to North sea oil.
Oil still has a large part to play in society it’s used in many things. However renewable energy is the way forward in my book, still it’s galling to know that once again, that our wealth flowed South to England, with regards to oil, just as it has done for 313 years.
We really couldn’t be worse off than we are now as part of this forced one-sided union.
Shame on those Scots who want the status quo to remain in place.
This is the fundamental reason I support independence.
With a very strong industrial base, oil and gas resources, and a leading financial sector there is no excuse for Britain not having the world’s strongest economy and society. Like a more exciting version of Germany or Sweden.
They made it so that a tiny minority did well out of finance (until they screwed that up), decimated the industry and as Blair says squandered the oil.
You see the consequences in levels of poverty, the inability to handle corona virus and the level of disillusion and alienation that are manifesting themselves in the scenes in London (with which I have little sympathy).
Scotland has consistently voted against this crap, we need to get away from it.
When Unionists tell you Scotland is feeble, remember who made it that way, and never forget how it could have been.
Aye. And theyll make damn sure it stays that way.
Dakk-
Exactly! “Scotland’s too weak to be independent”- not much of an argument for being run by Westminster is it?
Commenters might find this raises their blood pressure when they read it.
“Every Westminster Government in your lifetime has knowingly diverted tens of billions of pounds of Scottish revenues to Westminster. This has led to lower investment in Scotland, higher unemployment, lower economic growth, lower standards of living, economic migration and growing inequality and poverty. All of which would not have been the case if Scotland was an independent country.”
“Internationally, this is the sort of government behaviour that often leads to demonstrations and makes headline news. This might have happened here if it wasn’t for the fact that the Scottish people have largely remained unaware of the nation’s wealth draining south. In this article, we will expose the accounting trick that hides Scotland’s wealth. We will also supply undeniable evidence to demonstrate that if Scotland was already an independent country our economy would be booming and public finances would be debt-free.”
link to businessforscotland.com
Give them the oil. We however, keep the gas. Latest stats show energy consumption almost total!y dependant on gas.
British nationalists completely dominate the media, they occupy key positions in the power structure. Anyone who raises their head above the parap*t gets shot down through bad press and criminal charges.
It’s not surprising that most Scots are ignorant about their true wealth and capacity. You only have to listen to BBC Scotland to hear the “too poor, too wee and too stupid” message reinforced daily.
Surely it contravenes some human right, to be subjected to a daily barrage of negative propaganda?
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It’s truly shocking the amount of people in Scotland who have never read the “ McCrone Report “ and that includes Independence supporters .
I always compare how well off Scotland would have been compared to Norway and I always urge people to go and read it and have even printed out copies of it myself to give to people .
Also had 3 conversations yesterday with people while out doing my essential shopping as I always wear a YES badge and encourage people to wear their YES badges and even gave out 2 badges and “ Big enough Smart enough Rich enough “ sheets of stickers to people who don’t have any which I got from Lyndsay Bruce at
link to ayemail.scot
So can I ask everyone please wear your Yes badges all the time and start that Independence conversation with people from a safe distance of course , The Tory’s have not stopped pushing their Brexit so why should we stop our YES Independence campaigning .
Re me @ 5.02 pm
Forgot to add that it’s amazing how the stickers can accidentally fall off my fingers and end up sticking to lampposts and litter bins etc LOL .
Indeed.
Human rights-based
approaches to poverty
eradication and development
link to actionaid.org
From the BBC in 2006 –
‘The 1970s documents warned that if devolution increased calls for independence, the loss of oil income might leave the UK virtually bankrupt.
A senior Whitehall civil servant wrote: “Progress towards devolution should be delayed for as long as possible, consistent with honouring the government’s commitment to move down the devolution route and containing the SNP lobby in parliament.”
Another official warned in 1975 of the impact on the rest of Britain’s economy if Scotland moved to independence and took control of North Sea oil.
He said: “The Scots have really got us over a barrel here. The prospects for a separate English, Welsh and Ulster economy on the same assumption must look pretty grim.” ‘
link to news.bbc.co.uk
BBC announcer there says here is Nicola Sturgeon ‘leader of the SNP’ making a statement today.
I say to partner…did you not notice.
She: Eh what?
I said. She’s FM of Scotland’s Government!
She: I know??
I say: Maybe the BBC don’t know that…!!
She: Aye your right!
Me: It’s the way the BBC tell it to us. It was ever thus. 🙁
Westminster is still a tool of empire and considers itself above international law. The framework of international law will be undermined if Scotland allows itself to be removed from the EU. That will harm global peace and security.
link to cambridge.org
A Person Hardly, outside of Inner London, the centre of the British financial services industry, North Eastern Scotland, the centre of the British oil industry, has the highest gross regional product per capita in the UK
link to en.wikipedia.org
HYUFD
So what’s your point, Toryboy?
Full text.
link to link.springer.com
@ HYUFD 5:44pm
How boring! We would never rely on oil because of its price volatility and the likelihood that it would be stolen by colonialists from Westminster.
P.S. I hope folk noticed how the international lawyer who penned the previous article, confuses British with English. Scotland is in the same legal position women faced before second-wave feminism. We are invisible and oppressed.
INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION AND PROTECTION
OF FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS
link to scholarship.law.duke.edu
North Sea Oil was one of the greatest natural prizes in all history – and a complete disaster for us.
– Thatcher pumped the oil like crazy to fund her “economic boom” and her ridiculous war. This can be shown by looking at the depletion curves for the UK sector compared to the Norwegian.
It also -allowed- the friedmanite experiment to go full-bore – no more “real capitalism”, no more manufacturing, Northern England and Scottish industry could be devastated, with no payback. Taking away all the jobs is also a great way to destroy labour power. No more coal required – no more turning the lights off. The UK economy could become fully “financialised”, banking and misc. in the south, with some run-off to the loyal voters, and real wealth from the northern oil. This is vicious class war.
In the south, the property bubble was inflated, an undeserved reward for the complacent southern tory – now retiring, sitting on small fortunes of unearned wealth due to the houses they own, the cunts can now sellup and buy small castles in the highlands, then tell us “better together” and ask us “where we are from” when we stay in their guesthouse businesses, then claim all their free crap courtesy of the SNP, and still tell anyone who will listen “that nicola sturgeon is ruining the country”.
But if you point out the state of this shithouse cuntery, the indy gatekeepers will silence you, for criticising “new scots” and some dark accusation of “blood and soil”; to me it looks like stealth colonisation, economic and cultural imperialism, no?
“new scots are scots” has about as much credibility as “trans women are women”; there will also be a lot more of them in the future, as the dumbcunt englanders like to build barratt boxes on floodplains, soon to be uninsurable. The next census will be a shocker. Where will they all go – higher ground, maybe?
Overall, the north sea oil has a similar quality to those tales of cursed gemstones but with a twist – the prize bringing catastrophic misfortune to its (real) owners, but great luck to those who stole it.
A great pity we didn’t have a plan to rectify the situation eh
Oh fk I forgot we have a plan in fact we’re overflowing with fkn plans , plans and instructions coming out of every bleeding Orifice so many we all have constipation.
All we need is some fkr to put the plans into action , any Volunteers ? .
@robert graham says:
14 June, 2020 at 6:15 pm
“All we need is some fkr to put the plans into action , any Volunteers ?”
I think we should form a committee, to decide on the agenda for the committee that will nominate the planning committee…
Also, I am extremely disappointed with the Scottish population of midges. I was out for a walk, expecting them to gather peacefully, only for a few of the wee bastards to get aggressive and have my arms for lunch. I blame Twitter…
Bob Mack @ 4.25 pm.
Don’t be silly, these are our assets. Oil is the basis of many commodities, especially HARD plastic, now possibly more used than steel & its’ variants.
@Confused
Magnificently put.
@robert graham
Yeah, so many plans, but so little time to implement a single fuckin’ one of them because Scots have an inbuilt ability to argue over just about any and every fuckin’ thing. From big shit right down to small stuff you will struggle get two Scots to ever agree to anything.
An average Scottish screenplay:
“Ooh I don’t like that colour”…
“We have other shades of it”…
“Nah, not feeling those particular shades”…
“But the colour spectrum of shades are made up from the only pigments we have available”…
“Well catalytically crack the pigments to make new molecules to change the colour shades we can have”…
“Ok, here are a list of nice molecules”…
“Nah, want more choice”…
“Ok, I’ve split the molecules to atoms”…
“That fuckin proton is revolving at the wrong trajectory around that nucleus”…
Somebody else walks in…
“Fuck the trajectory, the velocity is pissing me off”…
They all die before a suitable colour was selected
THE END
Time to revive this?
The Bells! The Bells!
link to twitter.com
Confused 6.05pm. Absolutely spot on, which is why the welsh will never be independent. And in another 5 yrs with 200.000 more down south selling up and moving to Scotland, the demographics will ensure indy is dead and buried forever.NI who dont suffer from a yearly influx of daily heil readers, and a growing nationalist population will be eventually unified with the republic.
@Dan says:
14 June, 2020 at 6:42 pm
“Yeah, so many plans, but so little time to implement a single fuckin’ one of them because Scots have an inbuilt ability to argue over just about any and every fuckin’ thing. From big shit right down to small stuff you will struggle get two Scots to ever agree to anything.”
Who says we argue about things… 🙂
Mike D I would not be so sure, rural Northern Ireland is beautiful and attractive to retired southerners from England.
County Antrim of course, the largest in Northern Ireland, still has all its MPs from the DUP
Notice Sturgeon is very quiet on ( her words.). that beautiful dream.
To busy being accountable for the colonial administration of Scotland to worry about Independence.
Maybe the membership should make her accountable and then Sack her from her job!!
It’s the only way the beautiful dream will become a reality!
Matt Hancock has tweeted that, wait for it…
“ONLY 36 people have died…”
Only.
Twitter has gone ballistic. Stand by for grovelling “clarification” tomorrow…
(btw I’m not a Twitter addict. I just go on occasionally. More reliable news source…usually)
1987,well before the rearrangment of borders pre devolution,so that he could do the same as Thatcher.
How much is the soveriegn wealth fund he set up worth now,lol?
Or was the cash used to invade someone instead?
*sovereign.
The drip-drip-drip effect of “Too wee, too poor, too stupid”
How many other western European countries with populations under 10m are suffering from being responsible for their own affairs? Just ask their citizens if they’d be better off being run by a larger neighbour.
You’ve just depressed me Rev.
All that oil and what did we get. And now the same with our renewable energy. All that offshore wind.
Ah well HM Treasury will be grimacing at the very recent catastrophe that has befallen the hige Moray East offshore wind project.
The ship, built in China, with a monster crane built to place turbine blades that sit nearly 700 feet above sea level collapsed whilst under test load at Leibher’s crane facilities in Germany. And so unless there is another bespoke ship with a crane many times higher than a multi story tower block sitting in someone’s back yard somewhere in the world, it looks like a major programme hiccup.
Don’t suspect Moray East electricity will be coming on line on time now.
At least it’s not Nicola’s fault. Mind you, ship built in China and commissioned in Germany.. innit great that at least McDonalds are back open.
I’m no Unionist. I criticise Mrs. Murrell and the SNP because I believe they deserve all the criticism that comes their way. They are no longer the party of Scottish independence which I want to see achieved in my lifetime.
So now that I’ve made that bit clear………..
The only reason Mrs. Murrell wants the lockdown to continue is simply because Scotland isn’t paying for it. Scotland couldn’t have afforded to furlough the workforce for this length of time, let alone extend it to October and here’s Mrs Murrell begging the Chancellor to extend it for two years!
Oil isn’t worth a fuck now. It costs more to extract it now than they can sell it for. Essentially, they can’t give it away so don’t give me any shite about how Scotlands oil money could have been used to furlough workers.
What’s the other one I hear? Oh yes, an independent Scotland could borrow the money. Well, that’s a great start to independence, immediate austerity. The borrowing money idea makes the Growth Commission Report seem like a gift from the Gods.
Scotland has borrowing powers now, right now, but they’re not used. Throughout this entire Coronavirus crisis, Scotland could have acted and behaved like it was already independent but no, Mrs. Murrell and the rest of the charlatans prefer to remain tied to their Mothers apron strings.
Anyone who mentions oil now is living in the past when they should really be more concerned with Scotlands future.
Concern Troll,
In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with “concerns”.
The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you’re an ally.
Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets.
The screenshot in the article talks of North Sea oil but since then the massive West of Shetland Atlantic margin fields have been developed.
Foinavon was one of the first along with Schiehallion, and many more since.
IIRC my ROV pilot log had us putting the first of the flow bases down in Foinavon in 1995 or early 96.
Amazing engineering innovation utilised to begin to develop accessing and management of the deeper water fields.
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to offshore-technology.com
link to en.wikipedia.org
Renewables will be the future, Scotland will get shafted on that too unless we get out of this parasitic union.
C’mon Scots, chop chop.
Dan @ 7:58
Don’t forget the 300+ capped wells west of the Hebrides.
I was having an exchange with a fairly famous (infamous?) English writer a few months back and he said he loved Scotland because it reminded him of England when he was a boy.
The demographic shift in England is underway and its not seen positively by many native English as many of the newcomers have their own political blocs and culture within which they stick as they are unwilling to leave their beliefs behind them. The result is a balkanised landscape of different peoples with their own languages, religions, customs and priorities. This observation is seen as racist by the liberal left, including the people ive known in Scottish Indy circles.
However complaining that English people coming to Scotland for a better life and voting for political parties that maintain their sense of culture and identity (at the expense of the Scottish identity) is perfectly fine in Scottish Indy circles from my experience.
This is where the liberal order breaks down. There is nothing wrong with people wishing to maintain their own country, culture and customs and putting the people whose home that country is as a primary consideration. Its not racist or bigoted. We as Scots are far more invested in the welfare of this country than anybody else who comes here.
Scots should decide the fate of Scotland. Not any English, Swedish or Egyptian.
Outside of the propagandized liberal western bubble such thinking is considered normal and healthy. It is only us who allow ourselves to be shamed into the hyper progressive multicultural delusions that are eroding our European cultures, democracies and civilizations by pretending that just because someone comes to a certain country they become of that country in heart and spirit. It simply is not the case.
The usual rebuttal is – ‘ah but country X colonised and took over a whole bunch of countries’.
This argument now is not that far behind being white and apologizing to blacks for the crimes of a miniscule minority of white/jewish people 150 years ago.
Just because a monarch or state used the power of that state to impose the will of a few rich and covetous men on a foreign land does not mean that the ordinary people of the country should have to accept massive demographic change.
As the old saying goes ‘The tyrant loves a foreigner’.
“What’s the other one I hear? Oh yes, an independent Scotland could borrow the money. Well, that’s a great start to independence, immediate austerity. The borrowing money idea makes the Growth Commission Report seem like a gift from the Gods.”
Mist001.
Putting aside for a minute that I agree with you on Sturgeons lack of real action on independence over the last few years. I must say that borrowing is the norm for most countries, so it wouldn’t be unusual for a independent country to begin its new path in the world by borrowing, nearly all countries do it.
Anyone provide figures for the number of EU member states whose economies run at a deficit rather than a surplus?
The Yoons would have you believe they’re not ‘viable’.
How many trillions is the UK in the red to now? 1.5 or thereabouts?
Smoke and mirrors folks, smoke and mirrors…
Mist001. 7.50pm
Perhaps you should stand for the Scottish parliament as an independent list MP. As every village has, supposedly, an idiot, you could be the Holyrood idiot. Not sure if this merits additional payment, tho’.
Imagine you & ‘I will not sit down’ Kelly together.
Well Dan, I’m not sure you’re right about that!
Of course you’re right. It’s all games to let us fight n squabble. Drop another spanner in the works. It’s how we will remain in this situation. We wind ourselves up. The powers dictate the rules, “this is the way!
So the answer is easy, lets have our opinions, speak them, but not get upset. We need to get even.
Let’s not single out individuals, we need to remember that in a democracy, we are never going to agree with every policy. It’ll be fine though if we just all agree with my opinion?
The finishing line is not independence, it’s the Scotland we want to live in without totalitarian issues.
I’m voting SNP,
“This is the way”.
I honestly can’t see how Brexit is constitutionally legal, as it articulates extreme discrimination against those living in Scotland. So Westminster apparently does not consider legal protection under common law applies to Scots. Nor economic or natural law.
European Journal of International Law, Volume 30, Issue 1, February 2019, Pages 73–104
From Joining to Leaving: Domestic Law’s Role in the International Legal Validity of Treaty Withdrawal
link to academic.oup.com
Mist001 says:
“Oil isn’t worth a fuck now. It costs more to extract it now than they can sell it for”
This is incorrect. North Sea Oil extraction costs have never been lower. It currently cost about 11.60 GBP per barrel to extract or 14.50 USD.
link to energyvoice.com
The current oil price of Brent Crude is 38.74 USD and you can’t get a future delivery contract for anything less than 40 USD.
Someone is having a good time on the difference between cost and value.
If only Scots law had gotten around to codifying legal protection for our economic, social, and cultural rights. That would have required Scots law to modernise and, subsequently, to proper democracy in Scotland. It would also have required Scotland to assert its’ popular sovereignty and step out from under Westminster’s authority, so it’s a silly idea.
link to link.springer.com
London created the Continental Shelf Act out of thin air. The Oil and Gas was not in Scottish Waters it was in this new entity. Ask why that was created out of thin air.
Ever wonder why Nicola is reluctant to pull the Indy ref 2 starting gun.
I believe she has evidence we won’t win.
We won’t win because the independence movement are regarded as a catholic friendly movement in a country where the majority definitely are not , I believe she has looked into the abyss and sees civil war if the vote , if it ever comes , if it’s 51 – 49 in favour of independence where exactly does anyone believe the 49 % are going to go ? just walk away and say ah well better luck next time , aye ok .
I have been looking at a few Independence supporting sites and this rise in support I believe is because unionists are inflating the figures and will revert to type when it comes to putting their X on the ballot paper , most here myself included thought 2014 was going to be close but in the end people would see sense , and vote for a brighter future ,
then the silent majority had their say and it was no fkn way Hosea you have had your fun now it’s business as usual ,
That’s why I believe she looked and said it ain’t worth the risk , I don’t blame her if it’s shit there is no way of hiding it , do you fancy the bet ? .
It’s nice to cheer folk up on a wet Sunday night eh .
Most Scots spent most of their lives being told Scotland’s oil was worthless. I can explicitly rtecall being told, it was very poor quality and would run out soon – and that was over thirty years ago!
London Labour and the London Tories have ALWAYS known what the oil was worth, and knew they had to lie to keep on stealing it from Scotland, to spend in England, for the people of England. That is why not one of the unionist parties should ever be re-elected in Scotland. They lied and allowed the theft of Scotland’s wealth. They ALL knew.
When Scotland becomexs independent, we should immediately send a bill to England for the repayment for ALL the oil wealth they have stolen from us. We owe them nothing. They owe us.
Given all that has been done to Scotland, and all that is currently being done to Scotland by the English government, it makes me angry as hell. But what makes me even angrier, is the SNP Scotgov, who apparently have no pressing desire to push for independence. Piddling away one democratic mandate after another.
Independence should be ALL they are focussing on, every single day, until we are free from this odious, unwanted, undemocratic, evil, twisted, so-called ‘union’ with England.
Wake the f*** up, SNP.
We are only up shit creek because our politicians place politics above the law, and when they do consider the law, they put their faith in British constitutional conventions and tradition, which are simply legal pseudo-science.
European Yearbook of International Economic Law 2018 pp 143-174
Reconsidering Sovereignty, Ownership and Consent in Natural Resource Contracts: From Concepts to Practice
link to link.springer.com
What is also great about that excerpt from Blair, is that it confirms what most of us know. Their was no ‘economic miracle’ from Thatcher, no great economic foresight, it was just barrels and barrels of Scotland’s oil.
@ Sandy says:
“As every village has, supposedly, an idiot”
This blog sometimes seems to have more than its fair share.
Post-lockdown magical transformation of society into narnia.
Nah!
Same old same old.
link to archive.is
Julia Gibb at 0947pm,
Exactly, the ‘continental shelf’ – creative accounting (more commonly known as lying) by Westminster, on a grand scale. All in an effort to Steal Scotland’s oil, whilst telling Scots it was worthless.
Rev Stu’s friend Kezia Dugdale reviewing papers on BBC News Channel at 10.30.
Strange that tomorrow’s Herald front page photo of right wing Unionist thugs in George Square fails to capture any Union flags Unionist regalia or Rangers tops. Pretty impressive camera work. Also no outrage from Carlaw Davidson or Red Tory Murray.
@ Robert graham at 9.49: it is a glorious evening here after a beautiful sunny day so I am more optimistic than you!
I think if a vote were held now, or at any time since 2014, “Yes” would win. All the EU citizens would now vote Yes, to start with. Then all the business owners whose income has been affected adversely by Brexit. All those whose eyes have been opened by the Westminster government’s inaction over Covid, plus the lies and incompetence.
We only needed 200,000 more Yes votes in 2014. Now it is in the bag.
Unfortunately the mindset of the high heid yins in the SNP is on the cautious side – understandably in many respects, but not what is needed for those of us whose view is that Scotland is in great danger and we can’t afford to wait any longer.
As others have said, the FM and SNP roles are NOT the same as the Yes movement. We must no longer follow and wait for instructions. Perhaps we could set up the Convention that NS talked about – invite the MPs, MSPs, Councillors and others to decide on the way forward.
Waiting for another year for Holyrood election is just another delay which gives Westminster more time to make trouble and cause damage.
robert graham @9.49pm
“We won’t win because the independence movement are regarded as a catholic friendly movement in a country where the majority definitely are not ” .
Are you just back from statue protection duty ? 77th brigade are getting beyond desperate. WE(NOT YOU obvs) MUST BE WINNING BY A BIG MARGIN.
The independence movement embraces all – happily.
If the SNP high heid yins believe we would lose indy ref , then they are failing Scotland! It is their job to win us independence, not administer devolution.
Sturgeon is doing a great job at ensuring a unionist new labour project is a success! Perhaps she needs reminding its the parties purpose To regain Scotlands freedom!
The FM should be promoting Independence at every turn! Stretched budgets with local authorities, NHS, housing, education, she should be Blaming westminster openly for Scotland not having access to ALL our revinues!
It is quite simple really. Get promoting the word Independence at every turn and start using the mandates to declare independence!
@Robert Louis
Once we are out of lockdown I’m booking myself on a Magical Mystery Tour of Extra Regio.
I’m envisaging it’ll be like Fantasy Island.
#DePlaneDePlane
Without a legally defensible identity, it isn’t possible to make effective claims to human rights. So I suggest the Scottish government seeks new legal advise, as a matter of urgent priority. As they currently appear ambivalent to the value of possessing a sustainable identity.
Sovereignty over Natural Resources under
Examination: The Inter-American System for
Human Rights and Natural Resource Allocation
link to digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu
Great idea for an A5 8-10 page booklet to educate the masses to the differences between civic-based Scottish nationalism and the ethnic-based British nationalism. Even starting it off on the inside front cover with a copy of that ‘Welcome’ letter from Sturgeon a couple of year back?
link to twitter.com
“Mist001 Oil isn’t worth a fuck now. It costs more to extract it now than they can sell it for. Essentially, they can’t give it away so don’t give me any shite about how Scotlands oil money could have been used to furlough workers..”
What a load of bollocks.
@Sarah says:
14 June, 2020 at 10:27 pm
“We only needed 200,000 more Yes votes in 2014. Now it is in the bag.”
Never, ever take votes for granted. That’s how you fail.
Stoker
That’s a great idea. It would need to be properly vetted though.
Handbook of Patriotism pp 1-14
Civic Patriotism vs. Ethnic Nationalism
link to link.springer.com
Mist001
Oil is currently around $40 barrel.
Extraction total costs and delivery to refinery is currently no more than $18.
You do the math, as the Americans say
Nice one rev
The National should publish this.
Just looked at the GDP of Ireland Finland Norway Denmark New Zealand, and Scotland with all our resources is at the bottom. Even Iceland with its tiny pop is better.
We are tied to a dead sheep in a ditch.
When are Scots going to wake up.
To whoever it was that said “I was always told our oil was poor quality”-
I remember being told by an oil chap that North Sea oil is not particularly good for motor fuel, so the stuff in your car is probably from some nasty place in the Middle East with a pliable tyrant who gets invited to Windsor every year in exchange for letting Shell have their wicked way with his country. This will likely be replaced by electrical cars soon, so this will probably reduce our reliance on imports.
However North Sea oil can still be used for industrial purposes e.g. plastics, clothes, etc.
We’ve been hearing a lot about the decline of coal as an electricity source, the dirty secret of that is that it has largely been replaced by gas, so that’s a bonus for Scotland.
In short, the poor quality of North Sea oil will soon be irrelevant.
I mean properly vetted.
link to core.ac.uk
A Person
Again, nice try, but I think you’ll find the oil around our shore is of a rather high quality and value. I’m sure some oil bod will correct me, if necessary.
A.Person
Our oil is of very high quality. Light and low in sulphur. Exactly what the refiners want.
If you don’t believe me look at the price of Brent Blend (which is the industry name for North Sea oil) compared with West Texas or Saudi crude.
Brent always carries a premium on the price.
I stand corrected
@eaker: “in the bag” was a quick way of saying that, for the reasons given, I feel confident [fingers crossed, not walking under ladders, and avoiding black cats]that Yes will get over 50% if it comes to a vote.
Not that it need be a referendum vote, of course.
Ideally I would like a Constitution Convention to announce after due deliberation i.e. 3 months max, that the sovereign people of Scotland have decided to take back control and instruct Scotsgov to inform the world and Westminster.
That way it isn’t a party political matter but a matter of principle.
Failing that way, let’s have a Holyrood election soon – Scots Gov all resign, no-one else can form a government so an election is called. And so we get our plebiscite election this year rather than next.
I know, I’m dreaming.
“ Cameron Brodie @1141 pm “ average North sea crude has an API gravity of around 35 degrees which equates to a light / medium crude of Superior quality to the heavier Middle East crudes. Brent crude always trades at a premium price to US. west Texas crude . Gas/ condensates usually have an API range of 50-70 and heavy crudes ( less than 20 API ) are rare in the North Sea . However , one heavy crude reservoir example is the Recently commenced development of the Mariner field ( ironically here in Scotland our Norwegian friends at Statoil are principals developing this “ Scottish field” ) due to produce 300 million barrels over the next 30 years . ( Not so bad then at 40 usd per barrel ?? ) . The London treasury will of course as usual be “ rubbing their hands “ as per the last 45 years .
North chiel
We really need to jam our collective toes where needed. Scotland’s civic society must be protected from Brexit. 😉
link to link.springer.com
@Stoker
The difference between the Scots and the English is that the Scots havent yet had the cold hard slap back to reality that this empty eyed, naive wishful thinking will bring. High and mighty are the progressive Scots – because they havent yet laid in the bed they want to make
Well, actually thats a lie. Tell them 3 years ago where too much LGBT politics will go and the answer will be the same if you tell them now about their multicultural fantasies of harmony and delight.
Joe
Why be coy?
link to palgrave.com
Sweden now counts grenade attacks as a percentage increase or decrease. There are places where police have to stand when it gets dark so that women can jog safely. A feminist movement called 120 Decibels in Germany – so named for the sound level emitted by a rape alarm. But by all means – please let N Sturgeon tell us how much happier her vision for Scotlands future will make us
Sweden now counts grenade attacks as a percentage increase or decrease. There are places where police have to stand when it gets dark so that women can jog safely. A feminist movement called 120 Decibels in Germany – so named for the sound level emitted by a r*pe alarm. But by all means – please let N Sturgeon tell us how much happier her vision for Scotlands future will make us
Nice to see Joe finally feeling relaxed enough to express his inner self. 😉
link to link.springer.com
@CameronB Brodie
Something to think on:
Pure isoamyl acetate, or mixtures of isoamyl acetate, amyl acetate, and other flavors may be referred to as Banana oil
link to en.m.wikipedia.org
There is a mahoosive difference between Scottish and English culture, in terms of openness to, and respect for, cultural difference. Scottish ‘nationalism’ is supportive of multiculturalism. British “nationalism”, not so much (see Brexit).
Is civic nationalism necessarily inclusive? Conceptions of nationhood and anti-Muslim attitudes in Europe
link to scholar.harvard.edu
Joe
Something for you to think on. Full text.
link to journals.sagepub.com
@ A Person @ 12.01am
Hi AP….an honest mistake based on info given to you by someone else..we have all been there…me especially….multiple times…Lol
To your credit you , unlike some people, conceded you made a mistake….and did it politely…also unlike some people.
Keep posting….. 🙂
Have a nice day ( as it is now 1.43am I can say that..Lol)
Oh my giddy aunt….Oils not worth a thing?…I’m so looking forward to all the Western ” interests ” in the Middle East becoming unnecessary and Brown People not being killed over Oil anymore.
That’ll be quite something…when can we expect it Mist?
Clapper57
Of course this is an open forum but I have my doubt about AP’s sincerity. I wasn’t being an a-hole, I’ve spotted a number of opinions that I felt were quite reactionary.
To clarify I wasn’t saying that our oil was worthless by any means, that would be absurd m, I was saying that it wasn’t suitable for motor fuel but that in the future with the shift from motor fuel to gas-fired electricity this could be to our advantage.
Turns out however that I was mistaken!
-Clapper57- you have a nice day too!
To clarify I wasn’t saying that our oil was worthless by any means, that would be absurd m, I was saying that it wasn’t suitable for motor fuel but that in the future with the shift from motor fuel to gas-fired electricity this could be to our advantage.
Turns out however that I was mistaken and it is suitable for motor fuel! So even better!
-Clapper57- you have a nice day too!
A Person @ 2.04
I was told at primary school “our oil was not *that* kind of oil..it was only good for sewing machines and rusty nuts”.
By the teacher I might add.
The misinformation runs deep,because I don’t think that teacher was lying.She really believe this.
Basically Scotland had a supply of WD40,according to my educator!
Yet, the truth of it is, Brent Crude, as I now understand it,is the standard by which the quality of all other Oils are measured.
And, as I’ve said,they are still killing Brown People for the stuff…
So!!!
Excuse me if I’m doubting the claims that Oil holds nae value now,because that’s no been ma experience at all…!
WD in WD40 means water dispersal. It’s not really classified as a lubricant. Just to let you know.
Lizg and others above,
Aye, the misinformation still runs deep regarding Scotland’s oil. Many still think that it is either poor quality, ‘running out’ imminently, or just not worth very much.
The Fact is Scotland’s oil is of the very highest quality – prices globally are quoted in terms of Brent crude (the Brent field is in Scotland). As for running out, well all oil is running out, it is a finite resource, but let’s just face reality that many oil companies just paid out millions to the English treasury in order tio drill for Scottish oil in completely new fields.
The oil is worth a lot to ANY economy, but also has a more important influence on the percieved strength af an aconomy. It is like going to a bank and asking to borrow 50000 pounds, and they ask you what you can guarantee that with, and you say, ‘oh, I have 50 billion barrels of currently untapped oil in reserve within my territorial waters’. It is for THAT reason, England is so desperate to cling on to Scotland as its last colony. They really NEED to keep stealing Scotland’s wealth, just as they did with every other colony.
Of course the oil is valuable, anybody telling you otherwise is either a fool, or a liar, or a London-worshipping, boot-licking, unionist serf.
Oil doesn’t solve everything for an independent Scotland, but it does help to solidify what is a diverse and strong economy. The back payments we demand from England, for all the oil they have stolen, will also be useful.
This piece below, is a right good read.
Quote “..This is not a time for playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules. This is a time to fight like the Scottish patriots of 1314 at Bannockburn. They knew defeat would end the nation forever. We need to grab this moment in time and make it our own. We cannot hesitate, equivocate or lose focus for a second.
One word from the First Minister and the entire YES Movement will mobilise as one. The door to Independence is ajar, it is time to kick that door off of its hinges. Independence nothing less!..”
link to barrheadboy.com
We can only hope that some day soon, the SNP leadership will wake up from their slumber and get on with it.
This made me cry…for what could have been…
Not quite there yet, but shuffling by degrees.
link to npr.org
Technocratic bureaucracy with a nice dose of faux science and institutional arrogance…..fear not, stay safe, save the régime, wear the mask of conformity.
Not citizens but carbon based units!
@ Monica – don’t get sad, get mad. The lost resources are gone but the future resources are still here. There’s a lot more than oil to be grateful for. When the reckoning comes, the oil revenue goes on our side of the balance sheet.
@Monica Worley
Tak a drink lass! Coz I don’t want to dehydrate you any further or for you to cause a flood with more tears when I point out that last year Norway’s Oil Fund returned a record $180 billion.
Not a bad figure which leads one to ponder that by some bizarre quirk of geology all the “good” North Sea oil just happened to be in the Norwegian Sector rather than Scottish Sector…
Scotland is a country made of coal, floating in a sea of oil, washed by strong winds and tides… and owned elsewhere.
The trick is in taking ownership into new hands, or at least persuading enough of the current owners to switch allegiance.
OT – I’ve just reread Shona Craven’s excellent article in The National on JK Rowling’s essay on the reality of biology. Shona has written the best analysis of the issues I’ve seen to date.
This is why some don’t want you to read JK Rowling’s latest writing
link to archive.fo
The BTL comments are also instructive with the expected ding dong battle between trans allies and women spelling out their point of view (i.e. heresy).
maria Carnero at 12th June 0.17 is particularly good IMO I’ll put the full link in because I don’t see any way to link to the comment directly. It’s too long to copy and paste.
link to thenational.scot
‘everything in life is a risk ‘ said the ‘lockdown’ fanatic. What an ironic little joke.
Give them no fucking oil .
You want be allowed to go forward for Independence without the manic control freakery of Nicola Sturgeon.
The wheels of civilisation run on oil and gas. If the Climate Change lunatics get their way they’ll close down civilisation. You cannot run an economy on hot air. Carbon trading is a racket financed by the banks. It’s bogus.Who is granting permission to plant forrests?
Dan 10.48pm. ‘Extra regio’ more likely somewhere in brigadoon.
Scottish oil worth everything to England but worthless to Scotland. Easy to swindle a poorly educated people and our current education curriculum is no better. It’s full of climate programming and obedient subject indoctrination. It’s a shame to have to correct a teachers work.
The ancient civilisations of Greece and Rome
Had Olive Oil and their only source of Gas was
Through eating spicy food.
We are fortunate that technology has given us successful
Renewable energy sources that can slow, and hopefully stop
The destruction of the plant.
Anyone who has witnessed the unbearable levels of
Pollution in some of the world’s largest cities would never
Argue that we have nothing to worry about.
The hospitals and cemeteries have ample proof that air pollution kills.
Pedigree Chump!
Happy days are here again!
link to twitter.com
@ CameronB Brodie @ 1.53am
Hi Cameron….after posting my comment I realised that those who had corrected AP, including yourself, may think I was referring to them when I said “Unlike some people”…I was NOT.
Cameron the comment I made was a general observation I was making in that sometimes people tend to go mental mental chicken oriental when someone states something they disagree with…..or take it to another level and make personal comments…
I hope you would never think I would ever diss you on this forum as I respect you to much to ever do that.
It’s kinda easy to misconstrue what someone means via a comment sometimes….so I will not judge AP unless he/she writes something that is obviously questionable…
Have a nice day…. 🙂
Mike D,
Brigadoon sounds too Scottish, what about Downbridge.
We can’t have the Scots thinking they have ownership of well, anything.
The SNP or, any future iParty has the perfect tool in our oil fields with regards to negotiations to end the ToU.
Just as the Tories fold their arms and arrogantly refuse to negotiate with the EU, a fair amount of Yessers assume Scotland won’t negotiate with WM when we leave. I mean why should we? “They’ve stripped us of our resources and material wealth for centuries. They’re getting nothing!”
We will negotiate. We must.
And the biggest thing we must offer to the rUK, yes, I used the word OFFER, is the majority of our oil fields.
When Scotland does regain our independence, WM are hardly going to graciously accept. MI5 or whoever will start the persistent campaign of scuppering everything an iSG try to put in place. They’ll offer thousands for pro unionist politicians and commentators to promote rejoining the UK. They’ll encourage other countries (the US) to destabilise any government we put in place, or…invade for our oil and water thus promoted general chaos with a smug wink stating “Well, we knew you jocks couldn’t make it on your own.”
Sounds far fetch but, they have form. Look at Iraq, Venezuela, Syria and Iran. Decades of WM and the US meddling in other country’s politics to get what they want. There’s no one to stop them doing it to an iScotland too.
In offering the rUK the majority of the oil fields, we will hand all that threat right back to WM. Let’s face it, they’ll be skint and will look upon such an offer as a boon to their failing economy. Would certainly oil negotiations if held back long enough until we get what we need to survive as a nation again. And we will need WM to collaborate with us to begin with. We don’t control the National Grid for instance. We don’t control our own internet, and so on.
We’ll be able to cope with what gas and oil reserves we might keep because ultimately, I believe our renewables will see us through. Any ‘energy holes’ suffered initially can be boosted by assistance from France (who already supply England) and Norway, until we get on our feet financially.
We’ll also score massive ‘Green’ points in gifting the majority of our oil fields to WM.
Sure it’ll grate. But we can hold our noses if it secures the future of an iScotland. Dismissing the value of oil as useless to us as a negotiating tool would be folly. Our oil is one of the main reasons WM grasps onto us – so let them have it.
From the Telegraph Nov 2018 –
‘”North Sea oil can still be the bargaining chip we need”
Oil is Britain’s thin red line against a hard Brexit. The North Sea provided an economic buffer during the “winter of discontent” of 1978 and the “Black Monday” stock market crash, which almost destroyed the City a decade later. It may have to serve the same defensive purpose again if Theresa May, the Prime Minister, bungles a deal to leave Europe, or even worse, fails to reach an agreement.
Often derided as an insignificant and declining industry by some economists, oil remains one of the country’s most reliable money spinners and sources of hard foreign currency export revenues. Think of what the UK would be like without the vast wealth generated by the equivalent of 44bn barrels of oil pumped from British territory over the last 40 years.’
link to telegraph.co.uk
UK top 10 exports – oil is 4th.
link to worldstopexports.com
Dugbiscuit, next you’ll be saying wind turbines cause cancer, I heard that one from”Chump”your imperial master.
As far as a “poorly educated people”.
This will be of no interest to you, right through all my years of schooling, I had 1 teacher in primary 7 who taught anything to do with Scottish history.
That my friend is living under totally biased imperial rule, where a certain part of the so called “equal family of nations” history is totally ignored, whether its school curriculum or constant ignorance from the media outlets.
Just take a look over the years, TV dramas, you want a druggie, alcoholic waster, oh aye just a Scot to play the part, etc.
The education system may be different now? but the so called “British History” that is pumped into homes on a daily basis is totally biased, you cannot deny it.
Scottish Independence is the only way we will ever have control, to educate our nation the way Scotland was and our vision of the future.
This is the normal state of the vast majority of countries in the world.
(Many of which have no natural resources.)
FACT.
Mighty s Have to say with an attitude like yours it’s no wonder we can’t get our independence. Still grovelling even after we achieve independence.?
Clapper57
Don’t worry yourself. There’s no guarantee I’m correct and I try not to take things personally anyway. Have a nicer say. 🙂
Don’t think cruelty by the Scottish ruling elite ended with the abolition of slavery. Cruelty comes in many forms.
There is shocking levels of animal cruelty from the SNP Govt but no cries of “SNP bad” from the Tory mob in Scotland about this, as the SNP are in bed with the Tory mob in Scotland when it comes to inflicting unnecessary suffering on animals.
link to independent.co.uk
Scottish government defends ‘illegal’ live calf exports as court battle looms
WARNING: contains scenes of animal distress and factual information that some people may find distressing.
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link to rspb.org.uk
RSPB Scotland calls for immediate halt to mountain hare culls on back of shocking new report
link to onekind.scot
“… the catastrophic decline of mountain hares was revealed by a long-term study from one of Scotland’s most renowned ecologists, Dr Adam Watson which which showed the mountain hare population in the eastern Highlands was just 1% of the level recorded in 1954”.
Studies have now shown the myxamatosis virus that was deliberately introduced to rabbits has now jumped species to hares in some parts of the UK. There are fears the hare population could be wiped out.
Why are hares being slaughtered in huge numbers? Tory toffs’ grouse shooting.
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I’ve already highlighted the Scot Govt re-introduced tail docking of puppies. Why did they do that? The Tory toffs’ shooting fraternity.
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It’s funny how they tell us oil is finished but Westminster won’t devolve it.
I get so angry at the way we have been lied to and blatantly robbed of our wealth. And I dispair at those loyalist pine cones in George Sqr who defend England’s right to continue to do so.
The the most valuable resource a country can have is well educated, healthy and free people. Nothing else comes close
“Scotland has a £13bn deficit,” shrieks Ian Murray.
Well, who’s in charge of Scotland’s economy? That’ll be WM. The same WM that has given Scotland only 8% (population share) of its own wealth, taking 92% to rUK.
This THEFT was spelled out to NO voters in 2014 and like lemmings they went and voted for more of the same.
I despair.
Mike d 7.07pm
Absolutely. It’s funny how its mainly Scottish wildlife programs that are networked across the UK almost as though advertising its beauty to England thus encouraging immigration. And the presenters and people interviewed are usually English.
Independence now or occupation.
To everybody that states “Statues don’t matter”.
How would you feel if Westminster decided to erect statues of Mrs Thatcher and all former contemporary Prime Ministers in Edinburgh and Aberdeen because they created “oil wealth” for the UK?
Interesting dilemma.
The possible cost, in may, of the lockdown from the site of the state broadcaster.
Worse now, of course.
Alleged £13bn Scottish deficit chicken feed by comparison.
The true price of thralldom is picking up other people’s bills and being content to do so.
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Link to my post.
link to bbc.co.uk
There’s one wee problem is using oil as an argument (and it is is a good one if you know the true facts):
I don’t know the truth in what was said, but it is widely quoted that the SNP said oil would be over $100 per barrel (or £100). Now the price is way below that, so it is difficult to counter. Then you have Nicola declaring a climate emergency, so oil is persona non grata anyway (or at least to wee Patrick).
Yes, there are the true facts about oil, but there are mixed messages and it makes selling the truth harder. To quote someone: “a lie gets round the world before the truth gets it’s boots on”.
Ottomanboi
You’ve been against lock-down since it started, which leads me to conclude your perspective is political. You’ve also punted philosophers who reject the significance of human biology, and who consider humans to separate from, and above, nature. So you won’t mind if I don’t consider your opinion to be sound.
decision making: rationality and risk
link to us.sagepub.com
sorry….who consider humans to be separate from, and above, nature.
Ethics and Personhood
Some Issues in Contemporary Neurological Science and Technology
link to scu.edu
Rowling has 7 out of 10 of the best-selling kids books on Amazon. That cancellation thing is working out well for the wokes.
CBB 1.13
… still pushing the bigots line then CBB.
It is astonishing that you are so lacking in self awareness that that you accuse folk from one country of being r*****! …. and in so doing, demonstrate your own innate r****m. You are a pseudo intellectual bigot.
Sensibledave
The truth about you chauvanism hurts eh? Away and greet in private.
Ethnicity, Race, and Nationalism
link to annualreviews.org
Beaker says @ 1222 pm “ the SNP said oil would be over 100 usd per barrel . Now the price is way below that it is difficult to counter” . Oil being a commodity and the price consequently fluctuates on a continuous basis linked obviously to supply & demand etc. ( The oil companies well no this ) . Over the lifetime of the North Sea the price has been as low as 9 USD per barrel and yes briefly over 100 usd for a short period . Over the circa 45 years I believe the AVERAGE price for Brent crude is around 39 usd per barrel . ( The Statistica website will give you the average price information for each individual year from 1975 until present ). If you total each individual year’s average and divide by the number of years the result will give you an average price for the whole period .
As I say the average I calculate at circa 39 USD is fairly close to today’s price ( in a market where presently demand is low) . The oil companies (and UK treasury ) are doing quite well thank you with the cost of extraction around 15-17 usd at present . If not they would not have been operating in the North Sea for the last 45 years . Would they ?
Well the unions slabbering pitbulls were out in force in Glasgow’s George Sq yesterday. Skin headed Burberry clad shavs, shouting and acting in an aggressive manner from the Loyalist Defence League surrounded the statute of Englishman Robert Peel, who had links to the slave trade.
Shouting and yelling incoherently whilst waving a first in a straight arm fashion fist, they reminded me of fascists.
Of course Peel is often wrongly credited with founding the the world’s first police force. When infact Glasgow has that honour.
Fifty miles to the East Edinburgh can proudly claim to have created the world’s first modern municiple fire brigade.
A positive aspect of clearing one’s cache once a decade meant I retrieved this clip of Jim Rogers.
Love the flustering of the red dressed woman when Jim gets talking about Scotland.
link to twitter.com
Interestingly today LBC radio, said that Boris Johnson disbanded a group of ministers six months before Covid-19 arose. Their remit was to set up a plan of action that would prevent a pandemic from severely affecting the UK.
Scottish co-leader of the Greens Lorna Slater is furious that the Westminster government is scrapping plans for self- identifying.
I never thought I’d write this but Sturgeon must take a leaf out of Johnson’s book on this one and scrap it as well.
Would Wingers say a wee prayer for the health of SNP MP Amy Callaghan (East Dunbartonshire) or wish her well in your thoughts if you’re not religious, as she has suffered a brain haemorrhage or stroke.
@Republicofscotland 1.06
According to the Times, Starmer is planning to stand back from selfID quietly, kicking it to the long grass. Lammy was unusually equivocal about it on Marr yesterday, so seems like it might be true. The fall-out and in-fighting with the membership has been grim for them too.
Thus providing ScotLab with the perfect opportunity to tag team with the Tories at the election to skewer the SNP, assuming they manage not to bungle it.
Nicola needs to stand up to her particular friends who are pushing this, tell them they mangled their chances, and the opportunity to sneak it through is now gone, too bad, its over. Corona gives her the perfect cover to pull a Now Is Not The Time.
@Dan retrieved this clip of Jim Rogers”
never heard much from Jim Rogers since he moved to Shanghai , he did make a career (and billions) from prescient market calls.
No doubt he will be heavily invested in Commodities now, waiting for the up swing.
“Thus providing ScotLab with the perfect opportunity to tag team with the Tories at the election to skewer the SNP, assuming they manage not to bungle it.”
Allium.
As Orwell said, “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
That perfectly describes Labour and the Tories, as for Sturgeon doing a U-turn on this one, I shalnt hold my breath.
Regarding this 2 meter rule
If it is reduced to 1M, approximately 3ft, then that will accidentally drift into a 2ft distance, and then no distance. It is just human nature.
So if you reduce it to 3ft, then you would be just as well cancel the whole distancing excersice.
Because you can bet your bottom dollar that 1M (3ft), will lead to zero distancing.
And it would make a mockery of all those floor markings and signage.
So summing up,,,it has to be either 2M distancing or non at all.
Republic of Scotland
The UK Labour Party weren’t long in resorting to script after the election of their new leader.
I have listened to him a good few of his front benchers, and as per usual, they avoid like hell giving anyone a straight answer on ANYTHING.
On any issue, they slither around and waffle until the interviewer just gives up and moves on
Labour in England or Labour in Scotland,,,a shower of chancers one and all.
@David at 1:36 pm
Re. Maintaining physical distance
It’s a stroke of luck that due to low uptake of the project I’m sitting on a stock of Sumo Suits from my failed Saltired Sumos Defenders of Scots’ Sovereignty plan that was to engage in Uncivil Obedience as a protest at our expressed will being ignored…
Dan
Wish you luck in all your future endeavours lol
And I am not taking sides in this distancing debate,,,I am just stating the obvious,,,if you have a 3ft distance then human nature will reduce that to 1ft,,, therefore, why have any distancing rules?
David@ 1.47pm.
Firstly what image does it project to have a millionaire knight of the realm as the leader of Labour, it certainly doesn’t give the out a feeling that Labour are in any way a socialist party, well to me it doesn’t.
As for Labour politicians obsfucating, I’m afraid that’s a trait of all politicians, others will gish gallop hoping to distract from the original point.
Republic of Scotland
“Obfuscating”
That’s the word I was looking for.
The Labour Party are World leaders in this practice.
Was out earlier, tried setting the SatNav to go to Extra Regio but audiobabe wasnae havin’ it. 🙁
Next plan: Alexa, play Do You Know The Way To
San JoseE.Regio 😉At least we won’t (I hope) have to suffer the unions, jack boot soldiers Orange Order hatefest this year as they plan a virtual parade to celebrate their religious hatred.
Westminsters obedient Neanderthals are also to broadcast internally I hope, videos of past hatred marches, and a church service to boot.
link to thenational.scot
Republicofscotland
I’ve heard some wag has suggested the virtual parade might be vulnerable to hacking, so it might be possible to create a matrix for those with a penchant for bowler hat and sash combos. 🙂
I hope so Cameron, poking a bit of fun at this antiquated hatefest, would be most enjoyable.
I await a link to it from someone with the know-how.
Extra Regio
EU Customs Portal: Def.
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The extra-regio territory is made up of parts of the national economic territory which cannot be attached directly to a single region that is part of the national geographic territory. It consists of:
a. the national air -space, territorial waters and the continental shelf lying in international waters over which the country enjoys exclusive rights (not relevant for the regional household accounts);
b. territorial enclaves (i.e., geographic territories situated in the rest of the world and used, under international treaties of agreements between States, by general government agencies of the country (embassy, consulates, military bases, scientific bases, etc.));
c. deposits of oil, natural gas, etc. in international waters outside the continental shelf of the country, worked by units resident in the territory (not relevant for the regional household accounts).
Source:
Regional Accounts Methods – Household accounts, 1996 Edition, p.5
Created: 2005-02-02 Updated:2019-05-10
PS:
Figures today:
Scotland………..today…..00……..Total…..2448…BBC
Wales…………..today…..04……..Total…..1448…BBC
N. Ireland………today…..00……..Total……541…BBC
England…………today….*28……..Total..no data..*SUN
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UK……………..today…no data…..Total…*41726..*SUN
Religious intolerance is woven into the fabric of the British identity and British nationalism. It balances the racial predjudice embedded in the British subconscious. Just as well really, or else we’d have a lot of unbalanced bigots determining the future of Scottish culture. 🙁
link to pure.qub.ac.uk
Andrew F @ 5.59pm yesterday
The Unionists also told us we were too wee and poor and stupid to survive the banking crisis.
link to youtube.com
The relationship between racism and religion isn’t simple though, and structural factors, such as legal and education systems, play a significant role in supporting and sustaining both.
Survey Data Indicates a Complicated Relationship between Religion and Racial Attitudes
link to berkleycenter.georgetown.edu
Take a break
And watch this startling mix of comedy and seriousness
John Oliver on the Confederacy
From 2017!
link to youtube.com
Here’s a perspective that can unite all though, IMHO. Believers and non-believers. The political and the a-political. The liberal and the auth…well, you get the picture.
link to scholarship.law.nd.edu
Dan at 1257pm,
That is a helluva clip.
What is most interesting is the way the presenters try soooo desperately to move the conversation away from Scotland, and make out Scotland still couldn’t afford to be independent. What motivates them to do that?? Is it something inbuilt in English presenters, or is their director screaming at them on their earpieces, telling them they are not allowed to say such things on telly???
link to twitter.com
Scotland needs out of this rotten so-called ‘union with England ASAP. Let them pay back all the oil wealth they have stolen and start charging them so they can buy the stuff from now on, the scroungers.
mike cassidy
I meant to say I thought John Oliver’s piece on the Confederacy was very well put together. Thanks for posting it.
Addressing the Aggravated Meeting Points of Race
and Religion
link to core.ac.uk
@Dan
Excellent clip from a while back which I have seen before and forgotten about.
Good catch.
Thanks for posting it again. 🙂
“We’ve noticed a fair few Unionists this week proudly claiming that an independent Scotland would have been too broke to survive the coronavirus pandemic.”
Well, according to Chris Grey’s Brexit blog, link to archive.is that’s nothing compared to the inability of England to survive a no-deal Brexit.
There were a couple useful points in the article, first was a reference to an article from Bloomberg detailing a long list of tariffs and restrictions that are going to come into force – basically the UK is utterly f**ked when it comes to trade and international relations for a very long time to come. Quote:
They – the US, China, India, Russia, the Gulf States, African and Latin American countries, Spain, Mauritius, Argentina – all will say to themselves that Britain is now weak, it needs our support, and we can ask for whatever we want”.
Then Grey actually mentions the breakup of the UK. He rarely acknowledges Scotland in all this, so this in itself is rather interesting.
Given the history of lies and backtracking it’s clear that the only power that Westminster has over Scotland is the power we grant it. Boris and co. are already up to their nostrils in sh*t. With a low oil price, the time to rid ourselves of the accursed union is now. I doubt they’d have the ability to stop us.
Iceland isn’t a tenth of the size of Scotland and
It has fish an hot springs on a lunar type landscape.
Isolated away from the main trading markets and
Yet this nation is thriving.
They put corrupt bankers in prison and rebuilt their economy
After the crash of 2008.
They even beat God and Queenies football team Engerland.
With so many greater resources it would take a corrupt force
Such as Westminster for us to be anything other than more successful.
How about the Russian Controlled Soviet satellite nations bordering the North
Sea, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia?
They have all flourished since escaping the clutches of their overbearing neighbours.
Between them they don’t have a fraction of Scotland’s resources.
Norway got their independence from Sweden and never looked back.
They are one of the richest democracies on the plant and have no debt.
They almost have as much oil as we do but still a fraction of the resources here.
Ireland suffered terribly under English Control with Millions of needless deaths
and indiscriminate killing of civilians suspected of acting against their suppression.
Again this proud independent nation have a buoyant economy and they have never regretted
Casting of the chains of their English Masters.
You better believe they would swap resources with Scotland in a heart beat.
So there we are this Sovereign nation with a wealth of resources is supposed to be the only country
On the planet who couldn’t run their own country and who exist only through the governance of the
corrupt warmongers of Westminster .
As with all other Commonwealth countries it’s time to boot England into the long grass forever!
Ask any raving Britnat Yoon if Scotland can afford independence and their knee jerk answer is “No” but then ask him how much debt England needs to be in to hand over the reigns of government to France and you will receive a confused and perplexed look.
I always find it regrettable that Scottish people think that sovereignty is somehow linked to affordability.
On the subject of oil, countries that produce no oil, their economies benefit from low prices.
Scotland is lucky that the economy can benefit from low oil and high oil prices.
It’s just that different parts of the economy benefit at different times.
Diversity in your economy helps.
It’s a funny old world where some Treaty law is considered an existential threat to English cultural integrity, while other Treaty law is ignored in a manner that produces existential crises for Scotland. Well, no it’s not funny at all.
I don’t know if anyone will remember me pointing out that Brexitanian constitutional practice has a distinctly Hungarian flavour, of partisan legal bias?
Full text.
link to link.springer.com
Just spotted that reigns should be reins of government, oops.
I noted a piece by bozo clownshoe on bbc pravda at 1o’clock , his piece stated that the THOUSANDS of protesters at BLM rallys just CANNOT be ignored and that he will take it on board and address it
YET the 100 thousand’s who marched peacefully and joyously for SCOTLAND’S independence can be willfully ignored , but there again when you have a FM who is more interested in taking part in Brexshit marches or PRIDE marches l’m sure indy marches are not worth fighting for or appearing at
Making the world safe for ‘white people’?
link to globalresearch.ca
Gates belongs to that generation of Americans who think the world wants to be just like them.
Dan, many thanks for posting the clip.
We should have that played on all public buildings/ billboards etc.
Cheers.
Maybe if we marched under the banner
SCOTS LIVES MATTER
@North chiel says:
15 June, 2020 at 12:49 pm
“If not they would not have been operating in the North Sea for the last 45 years . Would they ?”
That is probably a better argument to promote, rather than “oh the oil price will go rocketing up again.” Liked the explanation on the price variances. A simplified argument highlighting the average price is a good way to counter the arguments. Would tie Boris up in knots for sure.
Anyone heard if the media are showing interest in getting the young footballer Marcus Rashford a knighthood.
£20 million and counting, raised for hungry school kids.
Certainly deserves “establishment” recognition for his fantastic efforts.
I don’t watch mainstream TV so not sure if its been spoken about.
Personally I “don’t do” the whole honours system, but when recognition is due, surely this is it.
Mask hysterics.
link to qz.com
Stay safe…and ditch those ethics.
link to globalresearch.ca
Cultural identity and narratives play a significant role in shaping one’s potential to access justice. That’s why I’m terrified of Scotland being dragged out of the EU, which would essentially signify the end of my hope for Scotland to enjoy real democracy.
Full text.
link to link.springer.com
@twathater at 5:44 pm
Think that might be a bit of an ask as Scots seem content to the point of apathy to have circumstances and policies they don’t want forced on them… and then there’s the shit Westminster gets up to!
I previously eluded to a future where the average height of Scots is just 4′ 3″ due to years of wearing down their feet and legs as they spent their time mandate farming.
The unfortunate reality is that Scots will no longer be able to get up off their knees as the knee will become the lowest part of the body.
The one positive from this is that covid infections will no longer occur at Nike conferences…
Scottish Nationalist Party MP Amy Callaghan stable says the Times, Sunday Times web page.
Never heard of the Scottish Nationalist Party, probably because there isn’t one. But the Times know that.
Hope Amy gets back on her feet quickly.
@North chiel,
you say `and yes briefly over 100 usd for a short period`,
2011 the average for the year was $111.26,
2012 the average for the year was $111.63,
2013 the average for the year was $108.56,
between 2008 to 2014 the average over these 7 years was $95.48 per barrel.
The average price between 1976 and 2019 is just over $50 pb,
link to tinyurl.com
44,000,000,000 barrels at an average price of $50 is
$ 2,200,000,000,000,
$2.2 trillion dollars, one of the biggest thefts in history and it`s still going on.
A wee reminder that as usual Colin Dunn aka Indyposterboy and @zarkwan on twitter keeps producing the goods.
Link to 11 pages to scroll through and that is just for A3 posters. Loads more useful material to scroll through.
link to indyposterboy.scot
Some developments on the ISP.
link to twitter.com
Dan 6.26pm your comments can be uplifting , BTW I contacted Stuart about my idea but no response , I was hoping that he would do a post solely to gauge people’s sense of anger and disillusionment in TELLING NS that we are NOT going to accept being ignored and sidelined whilst she polishes her self constructed halo
We are literally fighting for our existence as a Scottish nation against a shower of carpetbaggers whilst she constructs her CV as a world leader in trying for another job
Dan says:
15 June, 2020 at 6:26 pm
@twathater at 5:44 pm
Think that might be a bit of an ask as Scots seem content to the point of apathy to have circumstances and policies they don’t want forced on them… and then there’s the shit Westminster gets up to..
I don’t believe it’s a grassroots problem. In 2014, we established incredible momentum. Yes, we missed out of the Referendum, but the Union had to lie through it’s teeth and skew the narrative to create enough doubts to save the Union, but nevertheless, it was the momentum of 2013-14 which delivered an outright majority in Holyrood and wall to wall SNP representation at Westminster.
Don’t blame the people, nor doubt their commitment. They were up for it, and joining the SNP in droves.
I believed Independence was inevitable after the treacherous Vow, and Brexit was a heaven sent opportunity to ask the question again. We had victory, an emphatic democratic mandate, an explicit Constitutional impasse, and a nightmare prospect of being Brexited and seeing our manufacturing expertise being deregulated and downgraded.
Independence was right there for the taking. But instead of a leader, we had Sturgeon, and a chorus of SNP luvvies who wouldn’t hear a bad word said about her dithering lack of initiative or ambition. We all sat there thinking our enemy was the UK Establishment, not an SNP leadership which couldn’t capitulate fast enough and sold out Scotland’s constitutional strength before the ink was dry on the Brexit result.
I still have hopes, somewhat slim hopes, that an emergency Constitutional interdict or Backstop might yet, even at this late hour, save Scotland from Brexit, and thereby leave the UK Union untenable, and Scottish Independence inevitable.
But none of that is going to happen with Sturgeon at the wheel, and our window of opportunity is closing fast.
I’d be dangerous with a law degree. 🙂
Full text.
International Journal for the Semiotics of Law – Revue internationale de Sémiotique juridique (2019)
On the Limits of Political Emancipation and Legal Rights
link to link.springer.com
Masks unmasked.
link to globalresearch.ca
link to globalresearch.ca
Any medic worth his/her salt would tell you prolonged obstruction of breathing using a non sterile device can produce adverse symptoms.
This is just another manifestation of the spectacular ignorance being displayed by ‘authority’.
Scottish independence is fucked as long as a referendum is the chosen route.
Somebody needs to kick Mrs. Murrell and her chums into the long grass otherwise we’re just clutching at straws.
(see what I did there? Grass. Straws.)
Independence will never happent with this current bunch running the show. A decisive leader, someone who was 100% independence minded would have used the Corona crisis as a pretext for UDI.
@twathater & Breeks
From interactions with my active SNP acquaintances it’s about 50 / 50 on frustration with lack of progress on the Indy front, but that is down to some folk being switched on and others just obediently following Party line.
Most of them are completely unaware of the contention around the GRA stuff which speaks volumes about awareness levels of what is going on in the Party.
If the the SNP are so confident in pushing GRA you’d think they’d have the confidence to at least inform their membership of the details, but there’s fuck all of note about it in any of the emails sent to members from HQ, Constituency, or Branches…
My YES group connections are a different kettle of fish though, and rather than frustration it’s bordering on bewilderment at the choices the SNP seems to be making on various fronts.
These YES groups have put in absolutely massive time and financial commitments and efforts to get physical YES hubs on High Streets up and running, they are mostly run by highly committed older folk and it is going to be an ask for their efforts and the donations that keep the hubs running to be sustained for years.
“Brexit” was the material change in circumstance and that is happening so time to action Scotland’s Future being in Scotland’s Hands.
Without a campaign and specific date for a democratic event to determine our future the majority of less politically aware folk aren’t going to tune in, so in the meantime we’re just burning up our energies and funds treading water.
It’s not advisable to disenfranchise roughly half the electorate, who voted to maintain UKOK the last time they were asked. Subsequently, there is no legal justification for UDI, IMHO, though there is plenty for Treaty withdrawal. The people will need to determine what to do though, as we are the source of Scotland’s political identity and voice.
International Journal for the Semiotics of Law volume 14, pages299–326(2001)
Arguments in Favour of a Functional Theory of Fundamental Rights
link to link.springer.com
To cut a long story short I missed the daily update from WM so I went to check the UK corona virus count on big Auntie’s web site(s) some time ago now.
I tried both the BBC ‘UK’ page and all it’s windows including the ‘corona virus update’ window ‘ click point on the top bar corona virus news as well.
Nothing about today’s UK numbers
Tried the BBC ‘England’ web page and all the windows…. the same Nothing about todays UK numbers at all and I scrolled back to 14:00 hrs.
BUT found a window with Scottish numbers and Irish numbers.
I checked the three colonial country’s web pages and their virus numbers were front and centre.
There’s a thing!
That the man on the Clapham omnibus wouldn’t believe if you told him, but there it is.
(Or there it’s not)
But lots of stories about crowded shops and corona virus precautions in schools and social distancing down to 1M and a man had a pee in public, an outrage they said…etc etc.
Good old Auntie! 🙁
Scot Findlayson @ 0701 pm . Thanks for the update Scot . I note the latest average for Brent crude is circa 50 USD . As it’s been a few years since I looked at these averages and certainly the most recent years has shown prices higher than the previous overall average . I would emphasise the general point I am trying to make is that the “ oil price crash “ headlines routinely emanating from MSM and the usual Britnat propagandists at Pacific Quay etc. should be viewed in the context of average prices for this commodity . Even at today’s supposedly “ low price” of circa 40 USD they are not so much “ below average” . The oil companies have cut their cost base accordingly.
Usual Scot gov “ bad “ ( Misreporting Scotland )re Health ( New Glasgow hospital ) and Education ( now trying to create their usual “ crisis “ ) , whilst in a matter of fact way they “ inform us “ that Scotland will just have to accept no Brexit transition extension after Dec 31st . Gove must have a direct line to Propaganda Quay , advising them just to let us all know ( as a by the way ) that it’s a “fait accomply “ (BBC Scotland “ bought & sold for English gold” ) .
I also forgot to thank Stuart MacKay for posting the link to Chris Grey’s Brexit blog, though it did set me off a bit. 🙂
link to archive.is
International Journal for the Semiotics of Law volume 14, pages 71–96 (2001)
Freedom, Property and Equality in the Theory of `Fundamental Rights’. A Commentary on an Essay by Luigi Ferrajoli
link to link.springer.com
Breastplate at 5.18-
Problem is so many Scots just think Scotland “is poor”. You tell them, “we’ve got oil, gas* water, farmland, whisky and banking to start with-we’d be a successful independent country” and they bleat “oh but I just don’t think we could afffoorrdd it”.
Are there any other countries which think like this? Why is this attitude so ingrained? And what can we do about it?
Also think it’s funny that the right wing like to accuse us of being “subsidy junkies” but that theyre the ones who want us to sell our nations rights away in exchange for some pocket money.
*= earlier in this thread I said I wasn’t sure about the quality of Scottish oil. I have since been told that I was mistaken and that it is of high quality. Either way oil has many uses and is a valuable asset.
Some very informed comments about our economy and the global oil industry over the week-end.Especial thanks to Business for Independence and their succinct leaflets and booklets packed with all the detailed information.
After the George Square violence yesterday our famous free press plus TV news turn a blind eye. When I think of our SNP Government giving financial hand -outs to this corrupt press I begin to despair!
As has been said here ad infinittum, if we had a free press we would have been independent many years ago!
Noted photographer Tommy Ga Ken Wan was at George As and posted his experience in Facebook. Very very jnformative.
It shows the police up for tolerating these thugs. Try a read.
Sorry ,but this device can’t archive.
Can anyone tell me if this has anything to do with Stu
link to twitter.com
link to globalmeatnews.com
Re Caledonia @ 9.08
Looks like a crude phoney to me.
Westminster is a racist patriarchy, so it is unconcerned that Brexit removes Scots from under the protection of active law designed to protect fundamental rights. The people of Scotland must be given a chance to resist this illiberal cultural subjugation.
International law stands above national law. This is the only way to ensure political opportunism, such as Brexit, doesn’t harm the international order and the rule-of-law.
EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
link to eur-lex.europa.eu
Caledonia-
Doubt it.
Yeah it’s a fake by someone saying Stu is cancelled.
Trans rights fanatics.
#callmedave @ 7:51 pm
It is bias by ommission.
Daily coronavirus statistics are available on the Gov.UK website.
link to coronavirus.data.gov.uk
Total number of lab-confirmed UK cases – 296,857
(Includes tests carried out by commercial partners which are not included in the 4 National totals)
Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases – 1,056
(Number of additional cases on Monday 15 June 2020)
Total number of COVID-19 associated UK deaths – 41,736
(Deaths of people who have had a positive test result)
Daily number of COVID-19 associated UK deaths – 38
(Number of additional deaths on Monday 15 June 2020)
(COVID-19 associated deaths)
Total number by nation
Scotland – 2,448
England – 37,299
Northern Ireland – 541
Wales – 1,448
@North chiel,
$2,200,000,000,000 divided by 5,000,000 population is $440,000 dollars each citizen of Scotland,
ok we would be f@cked by inflation,
which is why Norway doesn`t/can`t spend its oil fund but invests it.
@mr thms
Thanks:
I have the numbers but you’d think our esteemed, and trusted BBC speaking truth unto the Nation would actually take the trouble to report them darn Sarf!
Only where we are is it reported what our numbers are.
“Bias by omission” indeed.
On a lighter note, the piss artist in London managed to get himself 14 days b&b at her majesty’s pleasure.
Forget that virus, this is the virus that really matters now:
link to spiked-online.com
Belonging to an ancient ethno-cultural group whose lives have never mattered and is still on the the subject of this irrational, hostile and ignorant behaviour I give a wry smile.
Universities, supposed centres of classical humanist learning, are capitulating to this just as they did in Hitler’s Germany where self-defining ‘liberals’ through cowardice, facilitated Hitler’s rise.
So what’s next on the menu burning books, burning people?
Modern western civilization is a mere crust over the fiery magma of primal barbarism.
Out of the covid frying pan you go.
Stay safe, do not deviate….and bring a hammer.
Caledonia @ 9.08
It’s definitely nothing to do with Stu…
And the only genuine Wings account on Twitter is the one from the Stall and that’s not the Rev either….
Friends Of Wings…..
That’s us the people below the line who run and support the stall.
I’m sure if Stu ever bothers to pick a Twitter account back up we’ll be left in no doubt it’s him.
Those other’s are just tryin to piggy back on to his brand and ye don’t need me tae tell ye why,having an authentic identity is just something they don’t do!
Ottomanboi
If you’re determined to punt your right-wing agenda, at least try do it with some style please. Spiked?
Racism as a Determinant of Health: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Want to get serious about decolonising society and culture?
Decolonising the Academy, the Curriculum and the History of Decolonisation
link to nias.knaw.nl
And here’s some thoughts on how to decolonise the curriculum. Well, it’s nice to be nice. 🙂
Decolonising the curriculum: challenges and
opportunities for teaching and learning
link to researchgate.net
“ Scot Findlayson @1001 pm “.Scotland’s children’s birthright squandered for decades by successive Neoliberal Westminster governments , always ensuring that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer . ( Foodbanks in Scotland in 2020 . An absolute disgrace ). My hope would be for an Independent Scottish government to use our country’s natural resources for the COMMON GOOD as the Norwegian government has aptly demonstrated ,for the benefit of ALL their people equating to a more equal and content society under the “ Nordic model” of Scandinavian social democracy.
Can I remind all that the gap between the UK rich elite and
The average worker has grown for 57 years consecutively
And you better believe that the real part of the job Boris and
Farage are really focused on maintaining.
You will appreciate that the Red Tories have been in power for much
If that period too as as the Lib Dem’s in coalitions with anyone who will
Take them.
Scotland faces another 10 years of Blue Tories extending this disgraceful
Record at least but Sir Red Tory is there to maintain the status quo if the
Blues drop the ball.
Solution – Take control of an Independent Scotland.
It’s a very long time since I tried any semiotic analysis of the law, but here’s a perspective informed through a basic, critical, training in ethical jurisprudence. Which is nice. 🙂
Use the force FM, you the force.
link to link.springer.com
I have just read the announcement from the Orange Order
That they will have a Virtual Orange Walk due to the usual
Event being cancelled under lockdown rules.
You can go on line to Zoomer where the access code is 1690.
( Don’t tell the Catholics)
The event has many features for the participants to enjoy making it as
Realistic as possible.
There’s pish in the Corner
Knock the living daylights out of the big bass drum at your choice of Chaple.
Start a fight with anyone looking to cross the road.
and the latest feature lets buckfast enriched virtual spit be directed at your
Own selection of Pontiffs dating back to Pope Pius.
We are the virtual people!
Terms and Conditions
Participants must have a mental age of no more than 10 and have no past
Experiences with Christianity or the interior of churches.
This software remains the property of Grand Lodge Auto Theft Ltd.
Caledonia @ 9.08 pm
Elmac , A Person , Liz g
That link to mobile.twitter.com has now gone from twitter , it now says it no longer exists .
Boris and EU officials had a video conference today to underline the fact the Transition period will definitely end 31st December 2020
Not a single word from Nicola Sturgeon on the matter
Because she knows that if she is going to get into a barny about Brexit, then she will get drawn into an independence debate.
Something she wants to totally avoid.
In Sturgeon’s eyes, fighting for Scottish Independence was soooooooo 18th Sept 2014.
GRA is the new “now”
@Ottomanboi
And also for the others who see whats going on – dont be too disheartened. The Scottish electorate arent the best gauge of public awareness – if its not WM they’re blind. Others are much more awake and we have friends in very high places who know the score. Things are going as expected. This was prepared for. 5:5
Sorry for being pushy but I’d forgotten about viewing the law through the lens of semiotics.
Full text.
link to link.springer.com
Vaccines. So whats in it for gates? A 20 to 1 return on investment. From his own mouth.
youtube.com/watch?v=6cfcaK8gBaA
I haven’t exactly forgotten about viewing the law through the lens of semiotics, it’s just I’m very, very, rusty. Know-how is easily forgotten if it isn’t regularly put into practice, and it’s a very long time since I analysed law to ensure its’ bio-neurologically sensitivity.
link to link.springer.com
sorry….bio-neurological sensitivity.
International Journal for the Semiotics of Law – Revue internationale de Sémiotique juridique volume 26, pages275–314(2013)
A Biosemiotic Body of Law: The Neurobiology of Justice
link to link.springer.com
Maggie C @ 12.02
Thanks Maggie C….just another idiot wanting to identify as something they’re not,off to shit stir somewhere else now!
Fightin’ talk from Joanna.
link to twitter.com
I like Joanna Cherry a lot, but there is so little time, and we need her fighting to defend Scotland’s sovereign constitution, not getting bogged down battling domestically with these shit stirring Wokist arseholes.
Joanna seems to be the one live wire in a fuse box full of duds, and the duds seem rather jealous and agitated.
Please Joanna, please, please, please lob a timely Constitutional hand grenade into this Brexit debacle, and earn for Scotland some breathing space and safety from disaster, and some sadly lacking Constitutional respect for our Nation.
If the SNP would stop you or stifle your actions, then maybe you must step outside the SNP, because a constitutional challenge rooted in Scots Law and Scotland’s sovereign Constitution is just too important a thing to be left undone.
Save us Joanna. I think you are one of the very few who can.
When Yoons tell us Scotland is feeble they get away with it because they control most of the public narrative. They are able to pump their spiel directly into every home in the land UNOPPOSED. At least half of Scotland votes and makes decisions in blind ignorance many with self imposed delusions.
Thats what the cause for Independence is up against thats whats holding us back not a Government reluctance to call for another referendum. After everything thats happens after everything that is ongoing we still sit on a vote nobody can call for certainty. Its beyond belief. I keep asking the question how bad does it have to get before people see whats right in front of their face and I keep comming back to the same answer you can fool some of the people ALL OF THE TIME.
Latest count of confirmed #COVID19 cases worldwide at 0000 GMT, June 16
World: 8,005,294
U.S.: 2,111,622
Brazil: 888,271
Russia: 536,484
Indi: 332,424
Britain: 298,315
Spain: 244,109
Italy: 237,290
Peru: 229,736
France: 194,305
Iran: 189,876
(Data: Johns Hopkins University)
The ‘Friends of Wings’ twitter account now has over 3,000 followers.
😉
link to twitter.com
CameronB
I do not believe in the fanciful left right dichotomy.
I believe in Scottish nationalism per se.
I believe that Scots may well have to fight and perhaps even die for their right to independence. World history generally lends support that view.
I believe in the right of minority peoples to have the cultural space to flourish, in that I include my own Syriac heritage.
I believe anglo-american capitalism and its spawn globalism, so called international organizations and mega rich personalities should not assume to lord it over sovereign states and sovereign peoples.
I believe law is made for man, not man for the law.
I do not however believe the fancies of the the gender rainbow cultists or their mates the Mao clones airbrushing history.
The social engineering and authoritarian political chicanery under cover of Covid-19 I also deplore.
If that is what you term rightwing then I do not, to be ultra polite, give a fig.
As to Spiked, I pick and choose discarding what might stick in the craw.
Modern politics is rather like that, is it not?
How’s big pharma doin, guys?
Makin mega bucks….and that before Covid-19
link to popcenter.jhu.edu
Follow link to read.
Must be in mega orgasm mode now!
Re Joanna Cherry commenting on the “silly little boys and girls who call me bigot etc ” somone asked where they were in 2014? Well I remember them at rallies giggling like ninnies and all having “fun”. They had no real interest in independence. It was all a game to them and I was itching to call them out but we were all so desperate not to offend. See where that got us.
These are the woke in the party now older and perhaps getting bitter. They target Ms Cherry,Ms McAlpine and even that nice lady who led the Labour Party in Scotland before K Dugdale.
Every party has its entryists but if ignored they destroy the party. Plenty of examples.
No longer being a member of the SNP I reflect on memories at branch level of things seen and heard that now I know more with hindsight I should have opposed strongly. But I did not wish to offend.
Please learn from my mistakes.
Offend!
Effigy
V good
GLTA!
It seems that Joanna Cherry’s response to the backlash against JK Rowling has really really really upset the wokesters.
Yon Cameron Archibald (aka ‘The Stirling Wolf’) has had a bit of a Twitter meltdown, crying about how his dreams have been dashed, the party he loves (the SNP) is lost to him, he wants to curl up in a ball, yada yada yada… it’d bring a tear to a glass eye so it would.
His tale of woe has sparked an torrent of support. Well, about a dozen RTs and a handful of replies, one of which is this wee gem:
Brilliant deep-cover strategizing there.
@Ian Brotherhood,
The most striking thing about that tweet was the phrase:
“Using our internal majority better”.
That shows what is happening within the SNP.
The Stirling Wolf perhaps felt a Speare to his heart?
link to isp.scot
ISP website is up.
It isn’t the Route 1 Constitutional Motorway that will save us from Brexit which I myself want to see, but that doesn’t mean I don’t support it’s objectives 100%.
It seems very few of us feartie Scots have got the cahonas for a wee blast down the Route 1 Constitutional Motorway, and for some weird reason need a mealy mouthed devolved assembly in their lives.
Sometimes the things that shouldn’t be necessary, just are.
Congrats on the followers Ian Brotherhood. Kinda +1 for me, but I don’t do Twitter so cannot actually follow. But this made me smile…
link to twitter.com
Alex Salmond wiping the floor with the opposition, but making them laugh about it.
Haste ye back Alex. You are desperately needed.
`Beijing says COVID-19 situation is ‘extremely severe’ as new cluster emerges`
Bozo’s UK Ship of Fools link to pbs.twimg.com
@Bob Mack, Famous15 –
Perhaps they feel that they needn’t bother even attempting to conceal what they’re up to as they’re already conversing in a kind of code which few understand.
Either that or they realise that no-one really cares enough to read their conversations.
In any case, the wailing and gnashing of beard-ends suggests that they know the ba’s on the proverbials.
As a matter of interest, what actually is an “internal majority”?
Is it what normal people call a cabal?
“Scot Finlayson says:
16 June, 2020 at 9:37 am
`Beijing says COVID-19 situation is ‘extremely severe’ as new cluster emerges`”
Scot.
If the Beijing flare up is a marker to go by, then we can expect a rise in Covid-19 cases in England. Of course with police Scotland refusing to police our border with England, of which thousands of cars are crossing into Scotland everyday, we can expect a sharp rise also in Covid-19 cases in the near future, regardless of Sturgeons cautious approach on the matter of when to ease the lockdown even further.
This is what happens when you allow another country to control your borders. This in itself makes the case for independence.
Yes Breeks I couldn’t endorse more your sentiment haste ye back Alex Salmond.
Just look at the difference between Alex Salmond’s government and that of Nicola Sturgeons’. The focus, the policies, the vigour, the vision, they could not be more different.
Even looking at things like the resumption of schools one sees chaos. With the SG having been working on schooling for the last four months the FM has now emerged to say that one or two days face to face teaching a week at school is not enough and that local authorities have to develop local plans to deliver this.
That of course is correct. The SG can give strategic guidance and policy but it is the local authorities who have the knowledge of their schools estate, the complexion of it, the pupil ratios, the ancillary facilities in an area. They are the body equipped to deliver the detail, are the body equipped with directors and heads of education, estate departments, social work departments, and all of the other resources that sit under their delivery control.
So why then are we at this late stage only now telling the local authorities to get on with it. That is what they are paid to do. Quite where the 30% classroom size and one day teaching came from I don’t know but it wouldn’t be too difficult to guess.
Whether or not the Education Secretary was been sucked into it as a central core decision is difficult to say. Blended learning as a buzz word sounds all right until you realise what it means. A disaster in the wings – educationally, socially, and economically.
By comparison, maximising school time whilst facilitating social distancing through increasing the school estate capacity seems very much the way to go.
Time therefore for the local authorities to rise to the challenge with the SG’s strategic support. Sturgeon is right on this one. Maximise school time!
The ‘internal majority’ stuff seems odd and paranoid. This isn’t healthy political debate.
Breeks
If Alex Salmond did come back into mainstream Politics again he would get bombarded with questions regarding his recent Court case.
Can you imagine pricks like Sky’s James Mathews asking Alex anything about Scottish Independence?
It would be endless questions about the case and the women at the centre of it.
The BBC would also slaughter him.
Then you have the print media to deal with.
Every newspaper would run with a big picture of Alex with headlines about the court case.
Potential Yes voters would see this as soon as they entered any supermarket.
We know from indyRef1 how down and dirty the Unionist media can get
And Alex Salmond returning to lead the Yes Movement would be a God send for them
They would rip him to shreds
Alex Salmond’s future will probably be as a background advisor.
Hopefully for Joanna Cherry.
BarrheadBoy has a post on the ISP, link to barrheadboy.com
There’s a link to an interesting video describing the D’Hondt voting system and how a pro-independence party could be successful.
The Rev. crunched the numbers before here so I think the “Alliance Party” in the video getting 50% of the list vote is probably a bit optimistic. However it’s great to see somebody putting things into motion.
Also looking forward to see if the ISP can use the non-MSM outlets to punch above their weight.
With the present SNP gov in power I think I’d be afraid of the future. Every woke fancy pandered to, a situation of perpetual guilt over ancestors’ actions etc. I want to be wrong
, but…
Now that independence as a concept has been normalized we need more Indy parties to prevent capture.
It doesn’t matter how many children are in a class at school, 10, 20 or 30, it doesn’t matter because children don’t do social distancing.
It is completely ineffective against transmission of any viruses and is only done by our politicians for perception purposes.
We can’t even let pristine New Zealand enjoy their tag as being “Covid19 Free”.
“New Zealand ends Covid-free run with two cases from UK”
link to bbc.co.uk
David says:
16 June, 2020 at 11:17 am
Can you imagine pricks like Sky’s James Mathews asking Alex anything about Scottish Independence?
I hear what you’re saying David, but it just thoroughly rubs me up the wrong way that the likes of the Alphabet Conspirators should succeed in their unlawful conspiracy, even when it fails. It sets a very unhealthy precedent, and teaches our muckraking enemies that we can be subdued by innuendo, lies and smears.
Their lies and conspiracies must be defeated, and defeated absolutely. Scotland should NOT be a place where conspiracies thrive. We’ve had over 300 years of that shitey malevolence grinding us down, and we should aspire to root it out and make room for something better.
Apart from anything else, Alex Salmond on his worst day is tenfold the leader Sturgeon is, even at her best. He has earned our loyalty. She has squandered it. What does Sky’s James Mathews have to say about that?
Breeks
I also feel your pain, and so will Alex.
But back in this real Unionist world that we live in, I bet you all the advice Alex will be getting will be to stay away from any jobs relating to leadership of the Yes Movement.
Alex Salmond’s best chance of bringing down Sturgeon is for an all out personal attack or her credibility and honesty and loyalty as a leader.
That would open the way for the likes of Joanna Cherry.
Ottomanboi
Fair enough, that’s how you see the world. You can wrap it up in anyway you want, but keep punting a right-wing agenda and you expect me to rip the pish out of your bogus logic, every time.
The Basics of Prosocial Behavior
link to verywellmind.com
Scotf and north ch.
Good stuff although it tends to make my blood boil.
This is the kind of info the National should be printing and dare I say it the SNP. Fat chance.
sorry….keep punting a right-wing agenda and you can expect me to rip the pish out of your bogus logic, every time.
Cultivating Conscience: How Good Laws Make Good People
link to brookings.edu
well said breeks (11:58).
An example of how James Mathews of Sky or the BBC will treat Alex Salmond is to listen into the daily briefings held by Devolutionist Nicola Sturgeon.
They are STILL asking questions about a Nike meeting that was held months ago.
They are like a dog with a bone,,,,as soon as they see a Unionist angle to ANY story, they will run with it, I know I am late in wishing you a Happy Birthday, I know it was on Saturday.
But at least I am thinking of you and sending you good wishes
Hope you are well,,,,and Yes,,,,,I do still love you exagurate it to suit their Unionist masters
So can you imagine that shower of rabid Unionists having Alex Salmond in front of them, to ask what they want and more importantly, put that Unionist slant on any answers Alex put forward?
IMO, it would hold the Yes Movement back, constantly having to explain what Alex actually said.
We would be chasing our tails
So Alex as an unseen advisor would be my option.
His in put would be priceless.
David
Lol
I think somebody’s love song got tied up in my Post
Haha
During these daily briefings by Sturgeon (which are broadcast worldwide), why can’t she add “…but if Scotland was an Independent Nation…
I have never heard her mention Independence or anything relating to it without being prompted.
Unemployment fugures rising.
Just wait to see what happens once this Furlough Jolly ends in October.
At the moment the government are paying 80% of wages PLUS their NI and pensions contributions.
By September the government will cut that back to 70% of wages, but will STOP paying NI and pensions contributions.
Then in October the government will cut that back again to 60% of wages and no NI or pensions contributions, this will be paid for by the employer.
After October ALL Furlough Schemes will end.
There are over NINE MILLION UK employees currently on the Furlough Scheme
Mass unemployment will follow.
Throw Brexit into the mix at the end of the year and you have one helluva train crash approaching at the end of the year.
And the silence on this from the SNP is deafening.
Completely off topic…
link to twitter.com
I want one.
I’d move to the Outer Hebrides just so I could commute. 🙂
I hope that England footballer’s tax affairs are in pristine condition, Tories don’t like being forced to change their policy. Their dailies are probably already on the case. They love to turn hero to zero.
@Republicofscotland
‘This is what happens when you allow another country to control your borders.’
Another country which happens to have 10 times the population to boot.
An excellent column from Ruth Wishart in yesterday’s National “ Michael Gove tweet proved we can’t set Independence campaign aside “
link to archive.li
Since the JK Rowling stramash there’s been a noticeable surge in tweets supporting Joanna Cherry, and the equivalent of Alex Salmond’s Greatest Hits appearing in the form of excerpts from his best WM/Holyrood performances.
Whether he will act as a Dominic Cummings type figure or reclaim a leadership role, it feels like the preparation for a comeback is underway, perhaps in advance of the book’s publication details being released?
@Breeks
That’s quite a fun marine machine. Thanks for posting it.
Also saw that A. Salmond twitter clip up thread…excellent!
PS:
Reading the BBC N. Ireland web site news.
My eye was caught on the ‘Free school meals in England’ story headline a wee black square with ‘false’ written in it.
There was a little arrow on there too for clicking.
Opened it up and it explained the the sub title ‘Wales and Scotland also doing it’ that in fact, (as we all know), Wales had made the decision much earlier.
BBC with a ‘fact false’ finder…Jings! first time I’ve ever seen that?
Add to which even Scotland did it this morning 30mins before Boris decided to join it too.
If you want a laugh, have a swatch at The Stirling Wolf’s twitter timeline.
He’s trying to goad critics by saying that all GCs should ‘join Britain First and be done with it’, but no-one’s biting. He’s basically been reduced to speaking to himself. The arse has fallen out of the entryist Woke project and he knows it.
En garde ye Greens! – The Stirling Wolf could be headed your way soon!
link to twitter.com
Brexit constitutes partisan and illiberal constitutional practice, giving total privilege to positive law, while ignoring natural and socio-economic law. So ensuring a no-deal Brexit in the face of covid-19’s economic and social impacts, must constitute criminal malfeasance in government, IMHO
The first legal duty of public policy is to DO NO HARM. So Scotland desperately needs proper legal defense from Westminster, otherwise Scotland can forget about ever enjoying the benefits of democracy.
link to link.springer.com
Today’s BBC numbers from colonial web sites: +SUN
Scotland…….today…….05……Total….2453….BBC
N. Ireland…..today…….01……Total…..542….BBC
Wales……….today…….08……Total….1456….BBC
England……..today……*79……Total..no data..*SUN
=======================================================
UK………….today…no data…..Total…*41815..*SUN
No corona virus updates on Auntie BBC ‘UK’ or BBC ‘England’ web sites. WM Gov update will smooth it all out later on today.
“Reading the BBC N. Ireland web site news.
My eye was caught on the ‘Free school meals in England’ story headline a wee black square with ‘false’ written in it.”
Callmedave.
Re you mentioning Northern Ireland, I couldn’t quite stop myself from adding that as well as our own jack booted Neanderthals holding their O/O hatefest virtually this year, NIs equivalent, the jack booted Homo Erectus, are to do the same, however get this, they are to march on treadmills.
link to thenational.scot
From the Stirling Whoopie Cushion (thanks Ian Brotherhood) we have this gem:
The fact that just one of them is, is enough to demonstrate that allowing Muslims/Black people into traditionally Christian/White spaces makes them unsafe for white people.
Jeez, he got that precisely backwards. How out of touch can you get.
When the threat of violence is a daily reality for many, reducing the argument to “it happened once, why should it ever be a problem” demonstrates just how ignorant, selfish and clueless pro-GRA people are.
Apparently there’s been a break through on the Covid-19 front.
“A CHEAP steroid has been hailed as a “major breakthrough” in the fight against Covid-19 after it was found to reduce deaths by up to a third among patients on ventilators.
The drug, dexamethasone, is readily available in hospitals and should now become “standard of care” in Covid-19 patients on ventilators or oxygen, researchers say.
They add that this could be done as soon as later on Tuesday, or on Wednesday.
Advice will be going out to all NHS hospitals within the next 24 hours to act on the results, meaning everyone who could benefit from the steroid could get it.”
link to thenational.scot
@Breeks I know we’ve heard this one before, but I really do believe Joanna Cherry is keeping her power dry.
She has to get selected first for Edin Central over fake Robertson, then when she gets elected as an MSP, there will be no holding her back.
I can’t wait
@IanBrotherhood, the Stirling wokes haven’t got a clue, They’re the ones who’ve tied up all the Exec positions and they are still fighting a losing battle.
I do wonder why Emma Cuthbertson resigned, so maybe the hierarchy are starting to pay attention to the criticism of their GRA position.
It is still beyond disgraceful that NS never commented on the level of abuse directed at JKR.
I totally disagree with JKRs political position but whether we like or agree with her or not, she is a worldwide known successful woman who lives in Edinburgh.
The fact that the supposedly feminist FM ignored a woman of her reputation is unbelievable
“It doesn’t matter that ALL Muslims/Black people are not dangerous.
The fact that just one of them is, is enough to demonstrate that allowing Muslims/Black people into traditionally Christian/White spaces makes them unsafe for white people.
This is not bigotry.” – Cameron Archibald
IMHO, this is peak bigotry and racism in a oner, but so is trans-activism, which seeks to impose a twisted, white, liberalism on to liberal society. Which isn’t exclusively white, ffs. I used to think Cameron was one of the good guys, but now I can see his nuts. 🙂
link to link.springer.com
CameronB Brodie,
I think he was trying to be contrarian/rhetorical in one go but this just an excellent example of why trying to be pithy and insightful in 140 characters is generally a bad idea.
selfID -> selfIDiocy
When the OO have this virtual march will we all be thrown off the internet as we will not be allowed to cross their data highway. No doubt currently developing a virtual spitting app, plus a drum loudness control for passing virtual churches.
@liz 3.49
I suspect certain parties assumed that when Rowling came out against GRA, we would all fall into line on the opposite side simply because she is a unionist. Sad, but there we are. I hope no-one at the top thought she deserved the abuse. Its still continuing, and spilling out into the timelines of children commenting on Rowling’s new book, which is disturbing.
Stuart MacKay
If Cameron Archibald is an example of what is coming out of academia these days, then there is no hope for Scotland. Not if we let the woke-set run things anyway.
link to documents.worldbank.org
@Republicofscotland
Aye! Saw that and a treadmill will do most of the ones I’ve seen some good. I doubt it will be much of an event TBH. 🙂
Anyhoo!
An update from HM Gov.
Higher numbers:
Scotland…….today…….05……Total….2453….BBC
N. Ireland…..today…….01……Total…..542….BBC
Wales……….today…….08……Total….1456….BBC
England……..today……*79……Total..no data..*SUN
=======================================================
UK………….today…^233…..Total….^41969….^WM Gov
This still stands at the time of writing:
No corona virus updates on Auntie BBC ‘UK’ or BBC ‘England’ web sites. Again no England only numbers on a public BBC site
After the tracing of the Nike conference strain of the virus is it not about time we traced the Prince Charles strain and see how many cases emanated from his gallivanting around Scotland with the pox.
jfngw says:
16 June, 2020 at 4:34 pm
“After the tracing of the Nike conference strain of the virus is it not about time we traced the Prince Charles strain and see how many cases emanated from his gallivanting around Scotland with the pox.”
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You better order your pine box because it is never going to happen in our lifetimes. I want to know what he got as a cure that the 70,000 odd other Brits didn’t get treated with. That is if he actually had the Tory Pox in the first place.
The woke-set probably consider me an out-of-touch reactionary because I’ve been out of practice for over a quarter of a century. The woke-set have a rather strange interpretation of reality though, so what they think of me is of no great concern to me. What they wish to impose on Scots law is of great concern though, as it will hugely undermine the potential for inclusive sustainability and Scotland’s self-determination. Human rights are grounded in a respect for biology and natural law, not subjective emotions.
I know my shit, the other Cameron, not so much, apparently.
Full text.
link to tandfonline.com;
Get your seat belts on the BBC have a number that is worse in Scotland than the rest of the UK, the excitement at PQ will be palpable tonight. An extra order of toilet paper will no doubt have been ordered to clean up the aftermath.
Liz 3.49pm ‘the fact that the supposedly feminist FM ignored a woman of her reputation is unbelievable ‘.
Speaks volumes really ,nuff said. My SNP bumph and raffle tickets went straight in the recycling bin this morning. I’ll keep my membership going for a wee while yet and see how it all pans out.
CameronB Brodie says:
16 June, 2020 at 4:22 pm
Stuart MacKay
If Cameron Archibald is an example of what is coming out of academia these days, then there is no hope for Scotland. Not if we let the woke-set run things anyway…
Paradoxically, I disagree to a degree. Students are ‘allowed’ to dick heads, go to demonstrations and be radical. It’s a growing / learning thing which students have doing for years.
The problem isn’t that there students plotting radical insurrections, I think that’s quite a normal thing to happen…. just look at who and what students have elected as University Rectors down the years… The problem isn’t that the Wokists are the devil incarnate, but that in the SNP, they have managed to get their “campus shenanigans” to register in the actual SNP policy structure, and evidently without any parental control, and we now have student brats being propelled into elevated positions of control.
While I have no contact with the SNP nor any special insight, I firmly believe the common theme running through the problems and inaction we have at Holyrood comes down to management and leadership, or rather the conspicuous lack of it.
Add to that, the political dimension that party loyalty demands the party to be loyal, and objective criticism is misconstrued as insurrection or ridiculed as heresy. This is the directionless purgatory we’ve all been living with these past 5-6 years, and hasn’t it been such fun?
Finally, in Joanna Cherry, there seems to be an adult in the room, but for those of us more concerned about Europe and Brexit than the social cohesion of the SNP, the time available to save Scotland from Brexit is critically short, and we can ill afford any detours to address the hurty feelings or disruption from the Wokists being reeled back down to Earth.
We need to rewind as if it’s the 24th June 2016, seize command of Scotland’s democratic rejection of Brexit, and create a constitutional backstop which kills either Brexit or the UK Union.
As I said, I know my shit, though I am very rusty. Sorry for the length of this post, but I’ve only posted half the abstract.
link to papers.ssrn.com
Breeks
I chose my words carefully Breeks. I agree that youth is a time for being passionate and egalitarian in outlook, but the law needs protecting from the ignorance of those punting gender-ideology. And so does the SNP.
In keeping with ALL of Breek’s entreaties to Ms Cherry I dearly hope she reads them Breeks
GIVE US HOPE JOANNA
GIVE US HOPE JOANNA
GIVE US HOPE JOANNA and rip the constitution down
GIVE US HOPE JOANNA
GIVE US HOPE JOANNA
GIVE US HOPE JOANNA and get our independence done
Mike d @ 5.24pm
I did the same with SNP envelope, into the bin unopened, and like you I’ll hold my nose and keep my membership going.
However Pete Wishart’s tweet praising the BBC Salisbury propaganda documentary had the finger hovering over the “Cancel Direct Debit” button!
There are too many young politicians out there. Of course, there are capable ones, but immaturity has shown itself in more than incident.
For us of a certain age, think what you were like when a sprightly 22 year old. How many times did you shoot your mouth off before engaging brain?
In fact, it’s quite terrifying that someone with CA’s perspective has any input into party concerns or policy formation, frankly.
Gender Discrimination in Education: The violation of
rights of women and girls
Global Campaign for Education
February 2012
A report submitted to the
Committee on the Elimination of
Discrimination against Women
(CEDAW)
link to cme-espana.org
@Breeks
Id like to respectfully disagree with your opinion on the ‘woke’ students and the danger they pose.
Its a fair bit worse than you imply. A look across the Western world shows a radicalisation of students coming from the professors and institutions themselves that is taking ordinary school students and making them radical minded, brainwashed and taught to attack the pillars of our civilisation. From trans ideology, radical feminism (not the sensible stuff, the batshit stuff) to the racialists we now see blaming whites for everything. In short an attempt to define, codify and then weaponise an artificially created sense of ‘privilege’ against ordinary people. All this while ignoring the criminal actions of international corporations and banks.
The SNP are up to their necks in this along with many governments across the world. Its been on the cards for a long, long time. The ‘long march through the institutions’.
Only a recognition of this will allow people to realise the course that needs to be taken. If we want to have a society that functions where all are equal under the eyes of the law, to have something near free expression and some universal rights then this stuff needs to be totally rejected without mercy or regard for feelings and all who push it called out for what they are. 2 years ago we were saying similar things but the difference is that now we actually see laws coming at us (which are uncannily similar to other countries) that prove the point.
As for Brexit – id like to say that Brexit probably wouldn’t be happening if it wasn’t for this very ideology which has been responsible for some of the more insane policy choices of the EU that have thrown many Europeans under the Woke multicultural bus. Brexit isn’t just a problem for Scotland, the EU itself will cease to exist before long as ordinary people start to reject insane progressive policies forced on them at their expense and without ever asking their opinion.
I wish Scots would take the rose tinted glasses off and start to actually see without the dreamy haze of wishful thinking.
Oh how the ultra unionist STV news revels is any bad news that might shake the foundations of the independence movement. Tonight it’s unemployment, tomorrow it will be a number of hospitals, the next day it will be job losses in the oil industry. The negative narrative goes on and on and on.
Meanwhile our FM Nicola Sturgeon meekly surrenders the upper hand to any set of figures published by any think tank that shows Scotland in a poor light.
Joe
You don’t appear to have a clue but you do appear to have a rather reactionary outlook. I’m not sure if that is because you are ill-informed and rather confused, or if you are a reactionary character who seeks to intentionally confuse and side-track the debate.
” From trans ideology, radical feminism (not the sensible stuff, the batshit stuff) to the racialists we now see blaming whites for everything. In short an attempt to define, codify and then weaponise an artificially created sense of ‘privilege’ against ordinary people. All this while ignoring the criminal actions of international corporations and banks.”
link to cwu.edu
I have an idea what it means but can someone respectfully tell what ‘Woke’ is?
I hope Nicola condemns Prince Charles for breaking Scottish lockdown rules again as he is now in the south of England.
Can Scots now travel without restriction too – clarification please? Hope the press run with this.
I think Woke is to do with suddenly being enlightened.
That you “get it”
You suddenly had your awakening.
You woke up to what was actually going on in the world.
You “Woke” up.
I think!!!
lothianlad –
I think “woke” comes from being “woke on the issues” meaning having fashionable opinions.
To me it looks like a rebranding of “PC – political correctness” culture which first showed up in the 90s, but didn’t really take.
Before this there was the “right on”-brigade, middle class types preaching “revolutionary socialism and class war”, often satirised e.g. the judean peoples front, citizen smith.
The change in these types comes from the adoption of “identity politics” in ever increasing fanatical intensity, away from class war. It use to be all about “the workers rising up” while now its about pronouns, getting your dick cut off on the NHS, 100 genders.
The woke set mostly spend their time denouncing others on social media for the “-isms” which matter. This is called “virtue signalling” and has the character of a new religion, perhaps a form of “new puritanism”, but that’s getting a bit deep.
– oddly, the most satisfying way to upset a wokist is to point out their (typical) enormous class privilege. They do not like that.
Lothianlad
Woke is used as a pejorative against those who support the belief that biology is irrelevant, much like TERF is used against those who ground women’s rights in reality. Although I’ve used woke this way myself, I am strongly influenced by a woke perspective. I just hadn’t seen an opportunity to correct the public’s misunderstanding of what proper woke looks like.
Put simply, those supporting the GRA reforms are considered woke, and have taken the concept of inclusion too far, to the point of excluding biological women from the public sphere. If they were properly woke though, they would be putting the concerns of biological women before those of a minority, and primarily male, concern.
link to scholarworks.uttyler.edu
@ lothianlad
What Woke is?
Not that sure, but think it is people who recognise the rights of those with intersex disorders(possibly possessing the opposite external genitalia to which their chromosomes ‘may’ suggest they should have) to choose their gender.
Or sumhin’ like that.
Pondering Regional List Party stuff.
North East Scotland:
SNP have 8 out of 10 Constituency Seats, the other 2 are Ex SNP Mark MacDonald who’s now an Independent, and Alexander Burnett – Conservative.
All 7 Regional List seats for that area are held by Unionist Parties.
137k SNP Regional List votes got zero SNP seats.
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Mid Scotland & Fife:
SNP have 8 out 9 Constituency Seats, the other 1 is Willie Rennie – Lib Dem
6 of the 7 Regional List seats for that area are held by Unionist Parties with the remaining 1 being Mark Ruskell – Greens.
120k SNP Regional List votes got zero SNP seats.
Couple of links with info if folk want to check things out themselves.
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to parliament.scot
@CamB –
Your knee-jerk rejection of everything Joe posts here is very telling, as is the fact that you seem almost entirely unable to remark on anything without what you perceive to be ‘academic’ back-up.
Joe can speak for himself but I just want to take the opportunity to remind you, yet again, that this is a public forum. It’s not your playground and you don’t get to decide who posts their opinions here. On this thread alone you’ve probably posted approx 15-17% of all comments. Do you think that’s reasonable use of this space? I’m not the only one who feels that it isn’t and we’ll keep reminding you, even though we know, through long and weary experience, that it’ll make no difference.
@Republicofscotland
Indeed unemployment front and centre and the presenter she was giving it laldy!
But the figures for darn Sarf are not in yet!
Douglas Fraser ‘bless’ twice warned caution on the figures , and not to take them at face value….and backed up by the man from the renowned Fraser of Allander Institute who said the same . too early to tell he said … 🙂
But if you have an angle STV, just go for it why dont you.
They even gave the 600,000 figure of people in the UK who had
‘lost employment’ in the last 3-months against the Scottish figure of 300,000.
That’s tiny when you compare them.
Of course unemployment would go up but that Scottish 4.3% STV boomerang is almost sure to come back and bonk them on the skull when the actual figures are duly processed. 🙂
Then off they go onto two more SGov bad stories. 🙁
Another day in Scotland though.
Ian Brotherhood
I’m pretty sure Joe is not a supporter of our cause. So unless you can prove otherwise, I suggest you wind your neck.
@Dan
137k SNP Regional List votes got zero SNP seats.
Would it be better if the dhondt system gave SNP supporters two votes that counted, instead of the one every one else gets?
I am no psephologist but the idea of the system is that representatives elected reflect % of the vote garnered.
Ian Brotherhood
It might be an idea for you to waken the fuck up and stop being played like a cheap trick.
AWAKE to WOKE to WORK:
Building a Race Equity Culture
link to equityinthecenter.org
@Cameron
“I suggest you wind your neck.”
This above all is a site where Scottish politics is discussed, and there is no prerequisite to adhere to any cause.
It so happens that this site is varied and exciting, with tendency towards Scottish Independence at any legal cost (but not exclusively as there are SNP voters here as well).
@CamB –
Again with the playground stuff…
Since when was this forum closed to anyone who isn’t a supporter of ‘our’ cause?
If it’s an actual echo-chamber you want, there are other pro-indy sites which may fit the bill.
😉
FGS! Scottish jobs lost 30,000 not 300,000.
Sorry folks.
Never try and do another thing when typing on the computer.
🙁 🙁
an Brotherhood
I thought our cause was democratic justice we were interested in. Am I wrong?
sorry….Ian
@Papko
Of course not. But the system is what the system is.
Unless there’s a shift in SNP policy I can’t see me campaigning for them again, but I would consider campaigning and voting for a Regional List Party that better represented my views.
How many of those Regional List votes the SNP get are actually from people that fully endorse every policy the SNP support, and how many of those votes are just means to an end (of the union)?
I have my reservations with Party politics and their whips effectively controlling the elected representative for a specific area, to the point the whip could be forcing a Representative to vote against the very wishes of their own electorate.
I agree a proportional representative system would be the ideal in Scotland, if we were Independent, but we’re not so every election is just a complete fuckin’ fudge for the foreseeable until our Constitutional status is resolved.
Council Elections in Scotland use Single Transferable Vote, Council Elections in England use FPTP, like Westminster UK Parliament General Election. Why the discrepancy if we are “One Nation”?
Cameron b
‘to the point of excluding biological women’
Without chromosome testing, you or I could be biological women with external male genetalia.
I’m not simply stroking my ego, I’m doing my best to defend democracy and the rule of law from right-wing white supremacists. I have a set of skills that enable me to do that, and I’m trying to share them with the readers. So I’m sorry if I appear hostile to some, but I view the world in ways that most folk are probably not trained in.
link
link to racialequitytools.org
I think `woke` was originally from black civil rights in America,
to stay awake to racism or to become awakened to racism, which turned into `stay woke` or `are you woke yet`,
privileged white liberals joined the civil rights movement (fuck@d it up and then fuck@d of)and decided they were also now `woke`,
now the meaning has changed to mean a privileged white liberal that appropriates causes so he/she can feel better about their privileged lives,
it is all about them feeling better not about making the cause better,
thay are called the `Woke`.
Stirling University is infested by them.
dakk
Possibly, but I’ve lived quite happily considering myself male. Do you refute the biological differences between the sexes, or that that they play a significant role in determining the potential for biological women to access health, education, and justice?
link to link.springer.com
Survey from Mr Murrell
Opinion being asked about attending a online conference , I guess this is to replace the national conference anyway last question ,
Anything we could do to assist you during your attendance ?
Answer yes INVITE ALEX
Eh I wonder if I will still get my invitation ? .
Cameron b
‘Do you refute the biological differences between the sexes, or that that they play a significant role in determining the potential for biological women to access health, education, and justice?’
No Cameron I don’t refute that, but then I’m not woke,(gouching more like).
I’ve just been asking around a few questions of young people around me, scientists and medics, and that’s the kind of drift I get from them.
Don’t like asking my daughter too much about it as she’s beginning to think I’ve been living a lie and am closeted 🙂
I blamed my sudden interest in gender on Wings, but she wasn’t having it.
Think I’ll just drop it, and go back to gouching.
dakk
It’s a funny old world. 🙂
link to voelkerrechtsblog.org
@Joe
Yes, time to get back to conservatism, I’m really missing ‘Love Thy Neighbour’, ‘Mind Your Language and ‘It ain’t half hot mum’. Real British values when actors could black up without worrying about the consequences.
CamB
Im not counting and it is not for me to say, But,,, you have posted over 50 times on this page alone.
That has to be some kind of record.
Especially when nobody even reads what you post.
Well 99% of us don’t read what you post.
I posted something last week and because my name is not known, I got hit with the usual shit,,,ya Yoon, ya Troll, you’re a member of the 77th, etc, etc etc…
There is some old saying about always keeping your enemy in sight,,,I thought that would have meant, let them post away on here, at least you know where they are and what they are thinking
Does it not Cameron???
Received this earlier today from a well-connected indy activist who doesn’t want to be named.
Can anyone guess who we were discussing?
Hi jfngw.
Don’t forget this…
(From Wikipedia)
“Set on a factory floor of ‘Lillicrap Ltd’, it starred a blacked up Spike Milligan as an Irishman of Pakistani heritage named Kevin O’Grady, who also featured in episode 7 of the fifth series of Speight’s Till Death Us Do Part.”
link to youtube.com
@Jfngw
It quite a luxury you give yourself – to respond to someones comment by mentioning nothing that they actually said while attempting light mockery.
If we are going to just make up what the other person said as material for our answer then let me respond in kind:
No, I don’t think you marrying your sister is the right thing to do, you perv!
See? We can all do it. Your just slightly more subtle. Slightly
@CamB –
It’s just a marker, but 58 of the 311 comments on this thread?
That’s okay?
Seriously?
As for ‘blacking up’:
If in this world you are concerned with white people putting on black stuff and pretending to be black as a symbol of racism then you best get to bed by 8, and don’t forget to take your favorite teddy bear with you.
We can talk about the real world when you grow up.
Ian Brotherhood
Have you taken the opportunity to educate yourself, or are you simply here to support those spouting pish?
‘The fact is here we are in the summer of 2019, five years on from the 2014 referendum – tonight will be the first time that I have delivered a speech on independence in five years. The SNP’s not campaigned for independence for five years, the Yes movement has to some extent been on the sidelines.’
Ian Blackford in an interview with Greg Russell – ‘The National’ – 8 June 2019
Ian Blackford might have been the SNP’s leader in Westminster but he didn’t make that policy by himself. How many speeches on independence has he made since? How many has Nicola Sturgeon made? Are they too busy keeping us in the European Union, making secret plans, stockpiling dry powder or just plain lotus eating?
Losing lives, losing jobs, losing the EU and losing hope but one year on nothing has changed. The inaction continues and so does the Union..
@Joe
I said, now watch what you say or they’ll be calling you a radical
A liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal
Won’t you sign up your name, we’d like to feel you’re acceptable
Respectable, oh, presentable, a vegetable.
Just logical
@CamB –
And that makes 59.
(At least I can count, eh?)
😉
link to rte.ie
The new outbreak of Covid in Beijing has led to full school closures.
This thing has a way to run.
Rightly or wrongly.
@Joe
No need to black up, here’s some excellent ‘British’ entertainment for you.
link to youtube.com
Dakk
As posted above, the Furlough Scheme ends at the end of October, so any new Covid19 outbreak in the winter won’t be backed up by 80% of your wages being paid by the government.
We really will be up shit Creek
I saw that nicola sturgeon wants the furlough scheme extended for over 2 years!. Thats insane the furlough and all the other measures are bankrupting this country. I am glad she is not running an independent country. She wants it extended for that long while we wait for a “scientific solution” to the virus, which is an admission that she plans on keeping this unscientific lockdown, and the social distancing farce (which virtually nobody obeys any longer) going on until the virus stops existing which is never going to happen.
It also assumes that the lockdown controlled the virus in the first place, which is highly debatable. Other countries like Sweden, Japan, and countries in the third world, which had no or very light lockdowns, have performed comparably or much better than the UK without the lockdown. Lockdowns don’t work. The second wave, which nicola sturgeon constantly scare mongers about, hasn’t materialized in any of the countries that have released their lockdowns yet, how long do we need to wait for it until we can say niocla sturgeon is wrong? Covid 19 is not the flu, nobody has any idea if it comes in seasons. The second wave is a myth.
And furlough isn’t saving the economy it is a very expensive suspended unemployment. There are people out there who actually think that they can sit around for 8 months collecting furlough and then when it ends in october they will just be able to walk back into their normal jobs after the biggest recession in living memory with no problems.
@ Ian Brotherhood 8:37
Nicola Sturgeon – Saviour of the Union. Far into the future her last act as First Minister will be unveiling her statue in Trafalgar Square. By that time there won’t be enough of us left to pull it down
BBC 4 running a programme just now on the history of “British” Docks.
What the betting on them not even making it past Hadrian’s Wall.
Are per with everything with British in the title
Ian Brotherhood
Have you got a relevant set of professional skills that you’ve been eager to share? I’ve done my best not to disappear up-myself, but I’d appreciate it if you were not to disrespect the effort I’ve made to inform the debate.
Glasgow,,,, second City if the Empire, my arse.
It had the biggest slums in Europe
@jfngw
I don’t care what someone did as a comedy routine in the 70’s. Neither should anyone who wants to consider themselves anything like rational.
Im a bit more concerned with what Scotland might look like in 2 years. I’ll leave you to getting upset about what some prat did in the 70’s you fucking imbecile.
And then the trick the English Establishment played was to introduce sectarianism to Glasgow
Get the Catholics fighting the Protestants.
It will take the spotlight off the real problems of poor housing, poor education, poor wages, poor nutrition
And it is still going on today
How fuckin thick are we???
Meanwhile, the South East of Engerland gets richer by the day
Covid19 is going to be a great leveller,if nothing else.
Bipod
On a practical note regarding the furlough scheme, my daughter is hoping to restart her business after Nicola’s big announcement on Thursday but, already, quite a few of her staff are bringing up problems about why they’re not happy – will I be safe? – problems with childcare? – are we compliant with h&s ? In truth, they’re all just having such a great time on 80% pay, reduced tax and NI, zero travelling expenses and nothing much to spend money on.
We’ve created a monster which will be difficult to eradicate.
The sooner Sunak ends furlough the better.
@CamB –
No, come to think of it, I don’t believe I do have a ‘relevant set of professional skills’ to share but I’m quite happy to leave it for others to decide where the disrespect is evident in this thread.
(PS That’s 60, of 326)
😉
Ian Brotherhood
Yes, let’s leave it to the readers to decide who’s impute is worthy of criticism or praise.
Detour-Spotting – cultural bridges to justice
link to culturalbridgestojustice.org
Ian Brotherhood
CameronB Brodie
What you’re supposed to do next is say 58/311 x100 = 19% to the nearest % of all comments are Cameron’s if you want to show off that you got an O’Grade in Maths.
Well done Cam. I think you’ve taken my Wings’ most prolific btl poster title from me. But don’t overdo it. This is the phoney war stage where the SNP and indy movement have nothing but empty rhetoric just now, so I wouldnae try too hard to educate others.
Of course, other people are welcome to write loads of comments too or scroll by.
Anyone for Ratios next? Or Mean, median, mode? That’s education too.
@Joe
I thought it was you that was clutching onto the certainties of the past before the radicals came and changed things to your dislike.
P.S. Mind Your language!
I’m scared for my future and I’m trying not to let the political naivety of Scotland’s electorate, bring about my worst fears. So I’m trying to arm our army with the intellectual weapons they need to defend Scotland from right-wing authoritarianism. So I hope I’ve not been wasting my time.
Equality and Human Rights Commission
Research report 83
The UK and the European Court of Human Rights
link to equalityhumanrights.com
Pythagoras’ theorem
The longest side of a right-angled triangle is the hypotenuse. The hypotenuse is always opposite the right angle.
Pythagoras’ theorem states that, in any right-angled triangle, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides.
If the sides of the right-angled triangle are labelled a, b and c then Pythagoras’ theorem states: a2 + b2 = c2
Let’s apply that to politics: the right angle triangle of SNP, Yes movement and Scotland’s constitutional situation.
Applying the theorem a2 + b2 = c2
We then find the square root of c2 to find the answer.
The answer is Scotland’s chances of establishing a sovereign state is close to zero, on the negative side of zero, approx -10 if Sturgeon is still in charge of the SNP.
jfngw…
I vill say this only wance (again)…
link to wingsoverscotland.com
@CameronB Brodie
I fear what you have on here is more like Dad’s Army than a group of intellectuals you are educating to take on right-wing authoritarianism. I think most of the movers and shakers in society are not sitting commenting on a bloggers BTL site.
Re, British Docks
I was right enough, they told us of Docks in London, Liverpool and Cardiff
Not a peep about Glasgow, infact Scotland never even got a mention.
This is what happens when the english establishment are writing the history books, they control who gets a mention and who gets written right out of history.
@Brian Doonthetoon
Sorry, I didn’t acknowledge your post earlier. I think as Spike Milligan was born in India he thought it was OK to do this, it’s of its time but we’ve moved on.
I also disliked ‘Till Death…’ although it was claimed the joke was on Alf Garnett, he was seen as a hero by many, he spoke for them. Nigel Farage was his re-incarnation but elevated to politics and even more BBC airtime than Mr Garnett.
Cameron you have to tailor your communications to your audience.
I would suggest this is more appropriate for Wings:
link to pri.org
Here is a (slightly edited) example from the website for the GRA debate: “Yer maw’s goat baws n yer da’ loves it (Your mother has testicles and your father loves it): An example of a genre of insult involving accusations against a person’s “maw” or “da” “.
I don’t know why, but Nicola Sturgeon (extending furlough for two years) wants the country to be driven mad mentally and to face economic challenges that will require the head of state to be on tv all the time and at the helm.
She somehow wants everything to change so they are never the same again and I think it is because the fallout from the Salmond trials and everything involved in it is so serious that she needs everything else to change… it is either that or her fall from a position that will go down in the history of Scotland in a very bad way.
Even now, she stirs up horrible mental attacks for people, like there was a day with no deaths and instead of being encouraging, she said “this thing is waiting to cross any bridge we put down for it”… making it seem like an invisible horror and alien plague from a sci-fi movie all rolled into one.
I think the quote is from 1984: “He understood how, he just did not understand why…”
jfngw
I was under no illusion but I thought the Rev’s brand was strong enough to disperse practical knowledge of how to fight fascism. I’m sure there are readers who will be appreciating this stuff, so I’ll just keep doing my thing. It’s taken me long enough to get up to speed, so it would be nice if I was allowed to be nice. For a wee while anyway. 😉
Vertical and Horizontal Perspectives on Rights Consciousness
link to repository.law.indiana.edu
Colin Alexander
There was no need for translation, I’m not totally lacking in awareness. 😉
CameronB Brodie
You’re a nice person and mean well. My opinion is, too much American articles, and no enough about Scotland; just like the BBC.
But, please don’t take offence at being compared to the BBC: you have moral integrity and do give a damn about Scotland.
Hi jfngw…
I vill say this only wance (again)…
It makes interesting viewing from ‘the olden days”, iye?
@jfngw
I wasn’t suggesting you stop. Most of it is too intellectual for me, I think I’m past the age were anything new actually remains for a more than a few minutes. It’s one of the downsides of getting old, I can remember stuff clearly from the 60’s-90’s but yesterday, pffft!
Colin Alexander
None taken, and thanks. I’m certainly not claiming I’ve made the best selection of material every time, but I include American stuff if it applies to over here. Or can be translated to apply. Most of it does already, and will become increasingly so as a consequence of Berxit.
CameronB Brodie
I just copied the translation from the website. I don’t agree with all the definitions given on that website.
eg dobber definition is given as idiot.
Dobber is slang for penis. Walloper is the same.
“Shut ye geggie” should be written as: Shut yer geggie! eg Shut your mouth.
Also, the website misses out an important word to describe Scotland’s chances of restoring national sovereignty under Mr and Mrs Murrell’s woke colonial SNP:
HEE-HAW
Thank you … I have a better understanding of the term ‘ woke ‘ now
Cameron, the Human Rights link was good. Credit to you for that one.
You could be brilliant at finding other stuff, like a new version of Nana’s links on here.
But I would suggest it has to be more of the current affairs politics for Scotland / UK / EU more than USA or academic theory articles.
But, you write what you think is best: Freedom of expression, Article 10, Human Rights Act 1998.
jfngw
You’ll know yourself best.
Physical activity and brain plasticity in late adulthood
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Colin Alexander 😉
Here’s another Scottish word that’s topical:
Smit a verb. definition: to infect or be infected.
eg. I don’t want to get smitted wi Coronvirus so gonnae get oot ma road and gies a wide berth.
Wear a mask or something covering your nose and mouth, to try and reduce your chances of smittin others or getting smitted wi Coronavirus.
Very caustic look at “Curry And Chips”.
I always thought the problem with “Til Death” was that Johnny Speight never got his first choice for Alf Garnett – Peter Sellars.
The ‘satire’ would have been more up front.
But a quality character actor like Warren Mitchell brought a humanity to the role that made it easy for a lot of the audience to circumvent the intent of the writing.
link to archive.is
Mr Brodie can jump straight to here!
“Till Death Us Do Part” and the BBC: Racial Politics and the British Working Classes 1965-75
link to jstor.org
@CamB –
You are being played mister.
Big time.
The scumbags who are doing it know who they are.
Do you?
Best laugh I’ve had in a while.
link to twitter.com
Here’s another gem of Scottish sayings to describe Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership of the movement to restore Scotland’s national sovereignty since 2014:
She’s like the coo’s tail.
eg. She’s always at the back.
There was a certain Alf Garnett type irony of an anti-BLM Loyalist mob in George Square in Glesga desperate to protect black statues of white men.
mike cassidy 😉
Ian Brotherhood
I’m aware I’m being provoked but I was unaware I’m being played. Care to point out how I’m being manipulated away from the cause of justice and equality in law? I’ll stop immediately if you have due cause for concern.
“When slavery came to an end in 1833, the Scots owned more land in the West Indies than the English, and far more than the Irish or Welsh. In 1800, there were 300,000 slaves on the island of Jamaica, and 10,000 Scots. The Scottish colonial elite was very powerful. No wonder so many influential Scots were opposed to emancipation, despite the vigorous abolitionist activity of others of their compatriots”.
link to ritchiesinedinburgh.blogspot.com
Of course, they were enjoying the benefits of Union with England as it was the UK Royalty who were the head honchos of the slave trade:
link to archive.is
The above link is to the Jamaica Observer article :”The British monarchy’s involvement in slavery”
Remember that, when you hear Unionists boast about how the Union has benefited “Scotland”.
Gordon Broon, Mr GB himself will be boasting of that next time:
Scotland’s political and mercantile elite would not have been able to join in the slave trade and profit from the human misery of black African slavery, if it hadn’t been for the benefits of Union with England.
That’s when he’s finished boasting about how the Union has enabled thousands of Scots to die in the British Empire’s wars.
@CamB –
I’ve said enough, and possibly too much.
I wish you well man, and consider you a friend.
Please remember that.
🙁
Ian Brotherhood
Friends trust each other, not randoms on t’internet. I know we don’t really know each other, but it should be obvious we share a common cause. So if you think I’m being played, then I want to hear your take on things.
CameronB Brodie says:
16 June, 2020 at 7:59 pm
dakk
Possibly, but I’ve lived quite happily considering myself male
Good to hear that.
But unless you have a chromosome test you may be a biological female.
Chromosome testing is not used in issuance of birth gender.
Maybe there are a lot of people in the wrong bodies for their chromosomes out there.
Should potential cis men ra—-s deny those people the right to their chosen gender?
@CamB –
Nah, sorry man, much as I’d like to, I have no relevant skill set to deploy.
Time for bed.
😉
Ian Brotherhood
You appear to have a mahoosive chip on your shoulder, so I don’t think there’s much more to be said. 🙁
dakk
You can’t take right away from some to privilege a particular sexuality. Not if you believe in diversity and equality in law. Allowing men to self-ID open women’s spaces up to the intrusion of predatory males. The GRA allowed the legal recognition of adopted gender, it had absolutely nothing to do with redefining “sex”, or self-ID.
Familiar issues dominate a debate on Home Rule for Scotland debate held in the House of Commons on 9 April 1889…
link to api.parliament.uk
Cam b
Allowing men to self-ID open women’s spaces up to the intrusion of predatory males.
So if biological(chromosome wise ) men possessing external female genitalia use women’s space, that’s different then.
Familiar issues dominate a debate on Home Rule for Scotland held in the House of Commons on 9 April 1889…
link to api.parliament.uk
I watched the show about the Russians trying to take out
One of their own for dying against them.
A couple of issues raised lies with the 2 military trained Russians
Seen in the town, no doubt to carry out the deed, come up with the
Excuse they came all this way for a glimpse of Salisbury Cathedral?
Bull shit on the same level as Cummings Driving with his son in the
Back to test his ability to see.
Both parties guilty as hell.
The biggest piece of information revealed came when the Medical Expert
Suggested the Police Station must be closed down as a policeman based
There was contaminated and in critical condition.
By touching anything that he did could other officers and they could spread
The agent further afield.
The medical experts advice was rejected as this obvious step may lead the public
To think the Tory government doesn’t know what it is doing and indicate that the
Contamination was spreading.
Later we see the police station was heavily contaminated and it should have been closed immediately. The Tory government overruled the medical experts and the obvious conclusion
Putting the police and the general public in grave danger in order to appear in control.
These fascist bastard are doing the same thing now with the Covid Virus.
Cameron, with respect, you’re making the flow here really difficult to read with your incredible number of posts.
I have read all your reasons why you continue to do it, and I’ve read the folk who are trying to persuade you to tone it down a bit (and I think that they’re probably coming from a place of not wanting you exploited by folk that they think wish to see the flow disrupted, but that’s just my opinion obv).
Just so you’re clear. I have followed your links on occasion, and I understand that you feel that you are adding your unique contribution here, which you are of course entitled to – the unique quality of this place is that Stu doesn’t have a heavy hand!
Can I make a suggestion though?
It would enable you to post your links for those who appreciate them, as well as not being such a disorderly presence to the conversation flow – do what Nana did and do one post a day with your links. Her’s became an early morning talking point that many looked forward to – yours could be too 🙂
MorvenM @10:59
I never know whether to press the ^ button or launch the remote at the TV whenever that poisonous dwarf appears to tell us how wonderful the Royal Bank of North Britain, and by association us North Britons, are.
Dear RBS, come Indy, kindly GTF! An tak yon talentless wee Yoon wi ye!
dakk
You are looking to use the particular against the interests of the general.
Law needs to be grounded in a foundational moral theory if it hopes to be impartial and universal. Natural law is such a theory, and is fortunately coherent and compatible with our scientific understanding of the “human condition”. That is why it is able to form part of international law’s foundations. The proposed GRA reform would introduce anti-foundational epistemology into the practice of Scots law, thereby colonising it and rendering it arbitrary and tool of power.
These reforms are neither needed, proportionate, or respectful of the human genome. Trans-women are already protected as women in law, which reflects a post-foundational legal epistemology. Which is nice. 🙂
@Effigy
My doubts about that story in Salisbury is that the mafia could do a better cleaner hit. Putin was a KGB colonel and one of the most experienced of world leaders with an effective military. If Putin wanted them dead it would have happened and with much less mess. The story is total bullshit
Ruglonian
I hear you but that’s not what I’m trying to do. I’m trying to show folk the “art of law”, by provide legitimate legal argument that reflects the conversation. I hope I’m not the only WOS reader who respects the law and wants to defend it.
I’m sort of trained as a guide in these circumstances. I certainly don’t want to disrupt the flow, but, and I know I’ll sound up-myself, Scotland needs help from someone trained to tackle colonialism and its’ historic legacy. I also find it hard to allow bogus argument to go without challenge.
So what to do?
Robert Knight,you have the correct Ruth Davidson minime but wrong bank.
‘Yes, transport this vial of horrendously deadly nerve agent to kill this old ex spy who the Brits had already fully debriefed years ago when a gun, knife or baseball bat could work just as easy. But to hell with it, we like it complicated’
Total nonsense
Hey Cam 🙂
I know it’s not your intention to disrupt.
Why not try out my idea (of becoming the ‘new Nana’) and see what the feedback is?
I know that I’d like to have a go-to time to find your stuff and then get the chance to read some of it – I’d personally appreciate if you did a trial of a mega link post at say 11pm, then I’d be able to have the time to read when I’m not too busy with other things.
So Joe, the 2 Russian Military men who were filmed in the town
Did travel all that way just to catch a glimpse of Salisbury Cathedral?
They seen nothing else on the visit and St Paul’s in London
Should have been a can’t miss for Russian soldiers who’s
New hobby is one English Cathedral?
The method gave the men time to leave the country before anyone could know
What happened.
@Ruglonian
I agree. That would be great. Much more concise and organised.
Joe, Effijy-
There is something very odd about the whole thing. It’s like Dr. Evil not killing Austin Powers with a single shot because “give him a more complicated death that he can escape from”.
I reckon it’s either:
a) Putin did it so brazenly and blatantly in order to send a message and stir things up among the NATO countries. I mean, the explanation given was so absurd that there was no way it could possibly have been intended to have been taken seriously
b) some kind of false flag, although by whom and to what end I have no idea
Probably A I’d think?
@Effigy
Im not saying what or why. Im just saying – im no killer but if it was my goal to do so and I had an accomplice we could dispose of that old guy and he wouldnt be found for days. Virtually any able bodied pair of men could do that and get a flight out the same day.
If they were to go down the route of chemical agents then aerosolized cyanide, which kills on contact with skin, would have been better. But a nerve agent that is designed to do mass damage, stick around and WAS DESIGNED by Russia? Honestly buddy. Use your head
@A Person
Im not sure what the purpose would be. But domestic political distraction is the only explanation that is the least ridiculous to me. But who knows.
Ruglonian
So you’re not asking for much then? 🙂
I’m aware I’ve been a bit pushy over the last couple of threads, but I thought I had something useful to contribute. I’ve just reconnected with a wodge of killer knowledge that kind of makes my picture of the law more complete. So I’ll have to put some thought into how to introduce it into the conversation, without being over-bearing or killing the conversation.
I am trying to support ethical rationalism and a respect for the relational autonomy of others. Apart from those I think are supporting the ‘dark side’. 😉
If a false flag it didn’t work very well did it? I’d say the general perception of Putin is that he’s a nasty piece of work but that he’s an effective leader of his country. Russophobia is an elite preoccupation.
@Joe says:
17 June, 2020 at 1:13 am
“If they were to go down the route of chemical agents then aerosolized cyanide, which kills on contact with skin, would have been better. But a nerve agent that is designed to do mass damage, stick around and WAS DESIGNED by Russia? Honestly buddy. Use your head”
I know a lot about nerve and chemical agents, how they persist in the environment and the problems with decontamination. You are talking complete bollocks. That’s all I have to say.
Cameron, I’m sorry if I perhaps came across as pushy, that wasn’t my intention 😀
I’m asking for selfish reasons, obv (I’d like it if you’d do what I suggested cos it’d be handy to copy the link to your one post and put it in a tab that I could then browse through at my leisure), but also cos I’ve seen several exchanges with you and other folk here about this issue and I was trying to keep the peace and find a workable solution.
By “effective” I mean he rules his country firmly whereas it was previously chaotic, the man is a brute.
Ruglonian
You’ll need to remember I’ve not looked at this stuff in over a quarter century. So I’m afraid my mental map of this stuff is a bit patchy, and I’m having to take my points of reference from the conversation. I’ve already destroyed any justification for the GRA reforms, but is there anything in particular you’re concerned over?
Cameron, I hear you, but that’s partly my concern – I’m talking about your perception.
You say that you’ve “already destroyed any justification for the GRA reforms” but that only stands up if folk are reading what you’re posting and then using it in a positive way outwith here.
I’m talking more generally than one specific issue.
What I’m saying is that I see that you’re putting in a great deal of work to bring your specific sources of interest and relevance to us here, and I’d like to see them collated in a more useful way.
As Joe has said @1.07am, if you did a post that was “consise and organised” then your efforts could be better utilised by us all, and you’d be in a better position to get feedback on what you’re posting – win win 🙂
Ruglonian
I’ve not chosen this perspective at random, this is how the Royal Town Planning Institute trained me for a future in town planning, or as government advisor, though I was intending overseas development. So I’m trained in a specific way that respect natural law, post-foundational legal epistemology, and the fabric of international law. I’m also trained to tackle patriarchy and rascism at their cultural root, which is nice. 🙂
I still can’t proof read for toffee.
The Promise of Legal Semiotics
link to digitalcommons.law.yale.edu
Cameron, that’s really cool to know – your individual insight and experience make you an asset to us all here.
That’s what’s so good about this place, all the different folk from all walks of life – I remember my early days here, being in awe of the breadth of society that was represented and wondering how I could ever make my own valid contribution to our cause.
But that is further illustration of why this space is so important.
Posting here gave me my first glimmer of confidence that I could become an activist (yes, everything I’ve done since can ultimately be pinned on that ‘vile’ Stu!)
What I meant by “perception” though was about your perception to see how your links are being seen and used – not just by the other posters but by the silent (lurking) majority of the readership.
I don’t imagine that you post them for folk to just scroll past.
So my idea still stands – why not try the change just for a bit and see how it goes?
Anyway, it’s well past my bedtime now so consider what I’ve proposed and let’s see what folk say about it in the morning!
Ruglonian
I’m certainly not suggesting folk must believe me and follow, though I do have knowledge of how to go about ethical social transformation. All well vetted, or as best I can manage to remember best practice. 😉
Ruglonian
I’ll try to change, though as I’m trying to help bring about change, I might need to change back to the approach you want me to change from. Let’s play it by ear, though I have heard what you’re saying, loud and clear. 🙂
The Hohfeldian Approach to Law
and Semiotics
link to repository.law.miami.edu
“I’ve done my best not to disappear up-myself”
I think if anyone reads their way through this thread or indeed your interactions with the genuine commentators here then they’ll realise how bogus that claim is.
Academic journals are not written to educate the laymen. They are written for peer review & to show off how much the author knows about a subject.
What does that mean in real life?
It means that if you work in that industry or have an express interest in it, then you will understand what is being written. You won’t find it interesting, it’s not written to teach but to show off.
If you have no interest or expertise in the subject matter then it’s drier than an old lizard’s dick that’s dragged itself the width of the Sahara. none of the information within is going get through because you are not the target audience.
I have no doubts about your sincerity or your expertise in this field. Personally I have none, town planning isn’t my bag, baby. To paraphrase form an Austin Powers reference upthread.
Several people have given well intentioned advice or encouragement for you to better utilise your knowledge & get your message across, but you ignore every single one of them. The message they receive is “F-off, you’re not smart enough to understand” That might not be how you percieve that you send the message, but that’s how it reads to most people.
I’m not trying to police the board, heck, I rarely comment.
You admit to being rusty, so here’s my suggestion for you to ignore, then throw an insult in my direction.
Read through your post & the Journal you are linking, use the Journal as a back up for your actual point & link it to the thread. Once you’ve done that, ask yourself, if my granny, niece, the postie or shop keeper would understand it? Only if the answer is yes, then post it.
Otherwise, work on your rustiness, away from Wings without imitating a spambot, or Ken500 as he used to go by.
I have tried to read you’re linked Journals on occasion, but to me they are as appetising as a sawdust sandwich. Once I’ve read my dismissive insult I’ll go back to scrolling past as do, based on comments the vast majority.
Cameron B.
Do you think there are many, if any who read your posts. You have a prodigious output of cut and paste – link post that arrive day and night, day after day, week after week.
I’m sorry but I just don’t read your posts, and just skip over them. Too much stuff Sir. You’ve turned folks off and any message, if there is one, is lost. Best Regards.
Interesting bill and amendments going through Holyrood on animals and wildlife.
Some of it mentioned in the following tweet thread.
link to twitter.com
Much as we all like animals and wildlife there is a difficult balance to be found in this.
The thread mentions beaver management (that’s controlling numbers of them, not being a pimp 😉 ).
Could it be that most of those being culled are situated in unofficial release areas that weren’t chosen as suitable for reintroduction as the beavers would alter existing delicate eco-systems and conventional agricultural land that supplies out food.
I’ve seen landowners having to spend many if not tens of thousand of pounds in fencing to attempt to keep the beavers out of certain areas, yet the beavers can dig under deep buried fencing and still proceed to gain access to gnaw and drop large trees that were specifically planted years ago to create bio-diversity.
OMG such a load of introspective navel gazing on here now…social distancing begets isolation begets segregation begets psychosis.
Throw away gloves and masks, get outside mix, develop a degree of ‘immunity’…..LIVE!
Likewise shout at the suppressive Sturgeon crew to get their heels off Scotland’s jugular before they kill the patient with their overweening attention.
And in a country far away…the summer hots up:
link to thestatesman.com
Call Kaye in full SNPBad this morning on schools going back.
No one on programme giving government/teachers point of view.
Once again they have Tory activist Alison Payne on at the moment without telling listeners that she stood for Edinburgh Council as a Tory.
Unionists claim Scotland is too centralised under SNP but then attack different local councils take local decisions on opening schools.
I’d been wondering why we have been plagued with so many
TV commercials from banks.
If I never see that wee Ruth Harrison look a like
selling Bank of Scotland it will be too soon.
Lloyd’s right there behind you?
Yes with a knife for your back.
An incredible sum in the millions but have been spent by these greedy immoral
Casino Bankers that the tax payer has had to bail out with billions.
Dies anybody watch these adverts and say I think I’ll switch to Bank of Scotland
As the wee woman with shopping bags on her feet is so amusing,
Or isn’t that Black horse nice I’ll send my money over there.
I was asked to give advice to a relative who’d fixed rate term mortgage was ending.
I looked at all the comparison sites for someone else just 2 months ago and although
The bank base rate has fallen to only 0.1%, the banks have recently increased their interest rates
And their Admin fees?
An average Admin fee is now over £1,000 and many want an exit fee I.e you have paid a fortune to
Set up your mortgage, you have paid them over the top interest rates for decades and they’want more because you have paid them off?
Another aspect of bank corruption you may not be aware of is the new Help to Buy scheme.
This is where first time buyers can have the government take out an interest free stake in your
New home. Everything is good until your banks fixed rate term ends.
Most of the banks refuse to touch them and the few that do absolutely screw you to the floor with
Excessive rates and arrangement fees.
It’s all very welcoming but it’s another bankers trap
Council estate loan sharks at least let you know the trouble you are in at the outset.
After all the street naming changes being demanded I’m surprised nobody mentioned Savile Row. A street named by the BBC after how they described the queue of children for the Jim’ll Fix It show. A street known for it sartorial elegance and top quality shell suits.
Tweet from,
Katie Hopkins
@KTHopkins
Dear
@MarcusRashford
Do you think women should think about how they are going to feed a child before they decide to have it?
I do not want to pay to feed other people’s kids. You are welcome to.
Thank you
Katie Hopkins.
reply to Katie Hopkins by,
Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan
·
17h
If only your mother had thought twice.
182,000 likes on twitter.
Heard that euphemism before somewhere.
And folk wonder why Scotland’s getting pumped from both ends? If I though I could leave the debate without jeopardizing my best interests and future, I’d happily let folk get on with it themselves. I care about myself and others though, and recognise when folk clearly don’t understand how to respect the law. So, I’ll continue to do as I see best, and won’t be taking any advice from the narrow minded.
CamB
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,
Hark the Herald!
Opinion: Brian Beacom:
Why I am edging slowly towards the pro-independence point of view
link to archive.is
@Beaker
I probably am. I do not know poisons. I am simply speculating.
Unemployment:
Scotland has one of lowest claimant count increases in UK
link to archive.is
@A person
The reason the Western establishment doesnt like Putin is because he stopped them from looting Russia. If he’d allowed Western powers to take what they wanted he could literally eat live babies and youd hear nothing about him
Joe-
I know
I appreciate the stuff I post is not to everyone’s taste, but I understand democracy and know what it’s supposed to look like. It ain’t Brexitania, that’s for sure.
Ethics, Value, and Interaction: Bridging Natural and Social Histories in a Semiotic Framework
link to anthropology-news.org
@A person
Yeah, sorry. Used to seeing the mainstream British perspective too much
Ignore the witchhunters Cameron selfishness knows no bounds.
cynicalHighlander
I appreciate your support, though I don’t want to divide or ignore folk.
HUMAN RIGHTS AND NATION-BUILDING IN
CROSS-CULTURAL SETTINGS
link to digitalcommons.mainelaw.maine.edu
Hi Cameron. If not the democracy we have, what should it look like? can you show a better example from around the world?
The legalize and archaic language of the criminal lawyers only ever seems to benefit those already in positions of power in any democracy that i can see.
Hmm!
Ten minutes to tin hat time in Holyrood and the weekly inquisition into why Scotland’s so bad. 🙂
Compelling stuff nevertheless.
link to scottishparliament.tv
See everyone on the other side.
@ CBB – I would also like to see some clear definition of the various brands of “nationalism”. We are still being told that “narrow nationalism” is a very very bad thing. But the world is made up of nation states, represented in the UN, Scotland is AFAIK unique in lacking nation state status. What’s wrong with wanting to be a nation state?
We regard nation states as better than feudal monarchies ruled by one person, as is a dictatorship or tyranny. Democratic decision making is a goal worth pursuing. We in Scotland have no real democratic decision making capacity. That’s appalling in the 21st C.
Also, I like Ruglonian’s idea of you posting less often but including a package of links as Nana used to do. You could use notepad to collect your links and add a short explanatory sentence. We could then browse through and click any links we like, or scroll by.
Armitage Shanks
There are lots of ways to measure the level of democracy enjoyed by nations, but I don’t think there is any particular model of democracy that can be chosen as a model for all. Democratic validity tends to depend to the level of public participation, so Brexit should tell folk everything they need to know about Westminster, which is happy to discrimainate against Scotland in order to satisfy the cultural demands of England’s right-wing.
The relation between cultural values and models of democracy: a cross-national study
link to academia.edu
Capella
Steady on, I’m getting up to speed but that doesn’t mean I know it all. Or that I have the skills to do what is being requested. I’ll try to be less obtrusive. 😉
@ CBB – but you have an Athens number? You can access academic research? 🙂
And what do we call nutters who decided that they know what’s best for us children?
defo
Teacher?
Developing pedagogy for responsible leadership: Towards a dialogic theory of democratic education
link to researchgate.net
Blackford at Westminster
He gets two questions a week to ask Johnson.
And time after time they have absolutely nothing to do with Scottish Independence
Today was no different
defo
If you weren’t so resistant to knowledge, you might be better able to recognise practical assistance when it is being offered.
The Dynamics of Democracy, Development and Cultural Values
link to journals.plos.org
CamB
I have a feeling you are working for this 77th Brigade.
For some reason you seem to have your usual supporters coming out of the woodwork and willing you on
Are they also members of the 77th Brigade?
Because you and your supporters do much more damage to Wings than any Unionist Troll would do.
As the BBC and STV news both had unemployment higher than the rUK in Scotland, as their main stories on their teatime time flagship programmes, and gleefully doing London’s beckoning into the bargain.
The head of research at the Fraser of Allander Institute has criticised that as being misleading.
Of course isn’t it that the raison d’etre of the unionist propaganda news outlets in Scotland, to put Scotland down at every turn.
Joe-
Don’t worry about it.
He’s not a nice guy but he’s demonised for the reasons you state.
David
So who are you and why should I care?
Determinants of Political Trust: A life time learning model
link to core.ac.uk
Just dipped in to listen to Nicola Sturgeon for a second, and I actually get the feeling when I look at her that I am looking at my enemy.
Never ever thought I would have thought that if Nicola Sturgeon.
Oh how times have changed
She conned me at the start of her leadership of the SNP
Never again.
There is not one Party in Hollyrood that I would think of joining.
What a sad state of affairs we are in.
CamB 77th Brigade (Scottish Branch)
I’m neither narrow minded or resistant to knowledge.
if you had actually read my post, it was pointing out that your method of pasting links to Academic Journals won’t educate anyone, unless this is already their field.
In what way have I refused to respect the Law? How have I ill defined democracy?
You can’t leave a debate if you’ve never joined it.
Linking to Journals (sometimes relevant, sometimes not) is not debate. It’s a lecture or sermon, where your audience have no interest as the subject is dry. If you can interpret what the Journals say, then sex them up, show a bit of thigh, make them so people can understand them, then maybe people will pay attention.
Even your supporters/friends are encouraging you to limit or compact your output.
Will this comment be read? Processed? acted on? or will we continue to be bombarded with scrolling fodder?
I know where my £1 bet is going.
I don’t think this the forum for you blasting your rustiness, that should be done elsewhere & the fruits of that labour, the polished article should be posted here.
What do I know, I can only read the multitude of posters who have made similar please over the last few months.
O/T
Just completed a YouGov poll from ScotGov regarding their handling of the Coronavirus, I’d be intrigued to see the results if it ever gets published.
Keith fae Leith
Have I directed any comments to yourself? If you’re content for British constitutionalism to determine Scotland’s future, then you are disrespecting international law.
David
Do better.
Holyrood is a talking shop for Devolutionists.
I hate the fuckin place.
Can only watch for two minutes maximum.
Sturgeon has pricks to the left of her,,, pricks to the right of her and pricks at the back of her.
In short,,, Holyrood is full of useless pricks.
David @ 12:48
I would put my mortgage on The Great Academic NOT being 77 Brigade.
77 are many things, but they’re not stupid enough to employ him – not when he’ll do their work for free by boring everyone to death!
ahundredthidiot
Are you still prone to the sound of your own irrational quacking?
Cameron-
. If I’m being honest I’ve commented on here in the past few weeks because I’m bored witless in the lockdown so I’m not saying I add much value to this site. I do however agree with Rev Stu’s aims.
I hold the left-liberal view on almost every issue under the sun, but because I said something that went against some theory you have you have, over a number of threads, called me “a reactionary”. You have told others that you are keeping an eye on me or words to that effect and told them not to listen to me. Frankly that is so obsessive and petty as to be unnerving. I have ignored you, after which you have said, “I see you” as though I am obliged to indulge your nonsense.
David is right, you harm this site. The mainstream media tell people that this site is for crazy extremists. Imagine what a swing voter would think if they came on here and saw all the stuff you post. Please don’t respond with “I’m just trying to spread a message and educate folk”. You cannot seriously think anybody reads the stuff you post. Nobody ever engages in a discussion of it with you. Indeed I doubt it is possible to read twenty-odd academic articles a day, so I must ask whether you actually know what you are posting.
Frankly I think all the people trying to convince you to spread your message another way are simply trying to soft-soap you as you will not listen to other posters’ concern when expressed clearly. Look at how rude you have just been to David, defo and earlier to Ian Brotherhood
This site is an important arena in Scottish journalism, not your, or anybody else’s, personal plaything. I am a member of a couple of music/film forums and if you were on any of them you would have been blocked by now.
I now await being sent abuse simply for asking you to think of others in this forum.
A Person
I wasn’t only concerned by what you objected to, but by the way you objected. I acknowledged it was only a hunch, but if you’re happy to knock-back (free) specialist advice, then I need to doubt your judgement. Just saying.
@CameronB Brodie
This information was posted some time ago by a commenter. I apologise for being unable to provide a name.
‘The Gentleperson’s Guide to Forum Spies’ in cryptome.org describes ‘Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum’.
Reading through, it is easy to see why commenters on this site might be suspicious of your motives. Technique 3 seems particularly relevant in your case. Even if not deliberate your contributions must be of great help to the opponents of this site.
I used to think Johnson was trolling.
But he’s not, is he?
Its Cummings who is doing the trolling.
Sending his puppet out to do this nonsense about boomerangs and penguins.
link to twitter.com
Time for a song.
link to youtube.com
Ron Maclean
Perhaps you’re correct but I’m not prepared to leave my human rights in the hands of those who don’t understand the law.
Decoding International Law: Semiotics and the Humanities
link to oxfordscholarship.com
CameronB Brodie
I would rather learn of YOUR opinions and theories rather than you pasting other’s opinions / theories.
Can the Rev not just give Cameron, our “education officer” his own rolling page where he could pursue his educational pontifications without annoying the congregation.
A page like off topic which just rolls on year after year . That way he and his fanboys could bugger off there and leave the rest of us to debate in blessed ignorance.
Cameron-
You’re perfectly entitled to doubt my judgement- it’s been wrong often enough! But I don’t appreciate one passing comment meaning that you then label me persona non grata.
With all due respect, I am under no obligation to accept specialist advice on my opinions, and I must ask you what kind of specialist you are to be giving me it. That’s not to say that all your opinions or wrong or that you lack knowledge, but that doesn’t make you The Source Of All Wisdom.
Colin Alexander
I doubt I was capable of that when I was involved, not to any great degree of competence anyway. I’ve never claimed I know it all, I just have a structured and ethical world view. Which I’m trying to share an insight into.
Arthur C
Now your talking. 🙂 (joke)
Wonderful trade deal proposed between Borisland and Australia.
That goodness to lose your pitch in the world’s biggest trading market
To ensure that we are now free to negotiate our own deal for Uranium,
Opals, Kangaroo Stakes and hats with corks dangling on strings.
Place your orders now and beat the rush, if you don’t mind the carbon
Footprint of transporting these items 12,000 miles.
Can we send them back Rolf Harris?
Cameron B Brodie
For what it’s worth.
Posting like Nana did would certainly be more useful for me.
Especially if you did it at a regular time too…it doesn’t have to be morning,just “samey” 🙂
Liz g
That’s asking me to step up to another level of commitment entirely, which I’m prepared to make, though unsure of how to go about it right now, or if I’m capable. I’ve been winging it, so far, and I’m wary of changing approach. I’ll try to be as unobtrusive as possible while I put some thought into this. 😉
@Ian Brotherhood, I think we all know exactly who this person is talking about.
There is no doubt she has impressive skills, otherwise she wouldn’t have pulled the wool over so many eyes, many will still not hear a word against her.
She is indecisive,overly cautious, wants to be liked and despite it being the unionists labelling her chief mammy, I agree with them.
She wants to be loved, particularly by the youth, which is why she indulges them.
But you cannot be all things to all wo/men.
True leaders don’t worry about being disliked.
She has dithered over indy and wasted so much time and opportunities, for that she will not be forgiven.
As for the whole AS fiasco, I still don’t understand why she facilitated that. Someone must have persuaded her it could be dealt with internally, well she really didn’t know Eck if she thought he wouldn’t come out fighting.
I did read a journalist say, she was taken aback at how angry she was, well doh!
That to me shows she lives in a little bubble surrounded by enablers. She has to go or we’re sunk
mike cassidy says:
17 June, 2020 at 1:24 pm
….Sending his puppet out to do this nonsense about boomerangs and penguins.
link to twitter.com
I am stunned.
This has gone beyond ridicule now.
CamB
All this publicity might be too much for you.
Do we need to put you on suicide watch?
You seem a very vulnerable and fragile snowflake.
Do we need to install a suicide inspection hatch at the top of your door, so we can look in and make sure you aren’t swinging from your crystal chandelier???
I’m trying to think of a more humbling embarrassment than Boris Johnson, but the best I can come up with is Boris Johnson marooned on his zip line with his little flags.
PS just saw that comment, that Nicola wants two year furlough, she actually scares me now.
If that is true,she’ll want this so there will be no Holyrood elections 2021, AS said he’d hold off till Covid emergency is over, she doesn’t want it to be over.
I’ve posted a couple of comments to people on twitter who’re terrified to break the rules.
Some poor guy saying he hadn’t seen his mum in months cos she lives 10 miles away.
I asked him what’s the difference if he travelled an extra few miles, how does that change anything. He responded by talking about second waves and the need to keep in doors etc It’s madness.
But if you disagree with these demands, you get jumped on , for ‘killing people’.
If this continues AS will need to break cover sooner.
Liz
To add to the Sturgeon non interest in Independence, Blackford continues with his “We must save england from Boris” theme at Westminster.
BBC have web site numbers for where we are + MSM data.
Scotland………today…09…….Total….2462….BBC
Wales…………today…10…….Total….1466….BBC
N. Ireland…….today…01…….Total…..543….BBC
England……….today..*77…….Total..*28138…*SUN +NHSE
=========================================================
UK……………today…no data..Total..*42046…*SUN
No BBC web site ‘UK’ or ‘England’ or ‘corona’ mentions numbers for darn Sarf at the time of writing. 🙁
“You seem a very vulnerable and fragile snowflake.”
Do we need to install a suicide inspection hatch at the top of your door, so we can look in and make sure you aren’t swinging from your crystal chandelier???”
You what?
Democracy: the forgotten determinant of mental health
link to researchgate.net
Liz-
Never subscribed to the “Sturgeon is an MI5 plant” theories but this would almost make you believe it.
Our economy will be in ruins, it frightens me the number of people who think money grows on trees. A doctor friend of mine expressed bewilderment that “working-class people want to go back to earn money for rich people”, blissfully unaware of how life is for those not paid £5k from the public purse every month. Small businesses that people put their life’s work into flushed down the plug hole. Many of them SNP supporters by the way. NHS wards are empty but the economic crisis will kill the whole system.
People are cracking up with boredom and frustration, relationships are collapsing, people are taking to drink and drugs.
In Wales people are flicking over the border to Bristol to buy cars because the English showrooms are open, this will kill that business in Wales. Similar could happen here, I already know of people who are planning to go on holiday to England because Scottish hotels will be closed.
I’m no Brendan O’Neill moaning about not being allowed to go to the pub, I accept there was a need for the lockdown and obeyed it, but our young people can’t all put their lives on hold indefinitely to protect twenty pensioners per week. In a war the young are asked to sacrifice, in this situation maybe the old must be asked. Only 26 under 45 have died in Scotland, and average death age is 81!
In my experience in the past ten days people have started to flout the rules and to be honest I don’t blame anyone.
Many of those affected are SNP supporters- unlike what NS wants you to think not all of her voters are woke professionals in the West End of Glasgow. An SNP figure who made a fuss about it could get some traction.
China is dealing with the reality that Cov D mutates. Beijing is proof. It will mutate here as well.
You want to be free? Fine, go ahead. Go out all you want and mix with anybody who wishes you to. Pay the fines and appeal to the courts about your human rights to be dumber than a donkey.
However,if you get caught in the inevitable second wave don’t think you will gather any sympathy. You did it in full knowledge of the facts.your chouce, so please don’t whine to the rest of us about being in jail and being a prisoner.
Bob-
Nobody is saying “be dumber than a donkey”, precautions will have to be taken, just that we can’t put life on indefinite hold “just to be on the safe side”.
Hell, even in health terms, ignoring all economic and social issues (which have their own health aspects), the number of deaths caused by undiagnosed cancers is higher than the number dying of the virus.
I don’t like who I am agreeing with about this but that’s life!
All viruses mutate.That’s why we cannot ‘cure the common cold’ or eradicate the flu virus..
If you think the solution is to never leave the house again, that is your choice.
I prefer to follow the facts, such as how other countries are returning to normality and there has been no second wave.
There are less than 600 people with suspected Covid in hospital in Scotland and 11 in ICU.
Seasonal deaths are now at normal levels and I know the reason given is, that’s because lock down worked.
The facts are people have broken the rules, you see the clypes on about it every day on SM.
There was that BLM protest, which NS didn’t want people to go to, and the week after that, there were less new cases in Glasgow
The original lockdown was so the NHS would not be overwhelmed and could prepare for new cases, that is where we’re at just now.
Staying in doors means less exercise, less vit D, more stress, domestic abuse has increased, more alcohol consumed, all of which will lower your immune system and make it harder to fight off any disease.
We are bombarded by micro organisms daily, our bodies build up immunity due to this daily battle.
Follow the facts, not the hype.
Now that corona virus is out there you will probably get it, the question is just when.
The lockdown was to allow the NHS to prepare and have capacity, it worked (yes the clown in Downing St screwed it up by starting too late but that’s not relevant). It has also helped scientists investigate treatment like the one announced yesterday.
So the question now is, when would you like to get this disease?
A) after cowering in your house, with declining health
B) after living your life, having done exercise, built up immunity etc
As I say, 26 people under 45 have died of it in Scotland, every one of those deaths IS tragic but do we need to ask the other couple of million younger folk to squander their prime of life just in case?
Cammy
… I note that your pseudo intellectual contributions are as boring, irrelevant and annoying to most others are as they are to me.
How does it feel to be accused of being in the 77th? Haha!!
Sensibledave
I know I’m not dodgy, so it barely registered. Are you still hostile to limited government and equality in law?
Interesting results for 2019 for N.I, from their ‘Life and Times’ national surveys.
“Since 1998, the Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey has put on record the attitudes, values and beliefs of the people in Northern Ireland to a wide range of social policy issues”
I take a passing interest, if anywhere is a bellweather for Unionism it’s N.I – looks like their hold is drifting away, replaced by a greater pool if ‘undecideds’, or the ‘agnostic’ I suspect Unionism’s hold is slipping everywhere but England.
Anyway, analysis of such things is @Rev Stu’s domain (perhaps he’ll take a gander) but very interesting survey questions and figures in there.
link to ark.ac.uk
Is there going to be a Wings based Indy party for the Holyrood Regional List.
If so, better get a wiggle on, two parties are already out of the blocks. Independence for Scotland and Alliance (for Yes)
Only 10 months to get it done!
Above, for clarity, second list party to get going is called Alliance for Independence
Scottish Parliament debating Animals and Wildlife Bill now
https://www.scottishparliament.tv
“If you’re content for British constitutionalism to determine Scotland’s future, then you are disrespecting international law.”
I’m not, fairly simple answer to your accusation. a statement people can understand.
As i has said before, I don’t doubt your desire, your qualifications, merely your methods of communicating.
~90% of the feedback you get outwith the obvious trolls is to dial it down, provide a blurb, or better still an opinion.
the other 10% are backing you up, but saying “Why don’t you condense it & make a post at a set time so we can know it’s coming & look at it then” Like Nana used to do.
Do you take it on board? A quote form the source doesn’t help the layman, but a description (like the back cover of a novel) would.
You are the specialist here, so it would massively help your mission if you summarized the Journals for us mere mortals.
Just out of interest, what makes you think I support British Constitutionalism? or was that just one of your less aggressive dismissive insults?
@Capella
Which party is the ‘wild life’ and which the ‘animals’?
I’m with the hares, birds, otters, and reynard and could be persuaded about the beavers maybe!
Keith fae Leith
Thanks for the advice but I think I’ll follow my training and instincts. I’m very aware my welcome is in jeopardy, but I see that as a result of hostility towards ethical knowledge and moral realism. That hostility is not coming from me.
Rethinking Digital Democracy: From the Disembodied Discursive Self to New Materialist Corporealities
link to researchgate.net
New numbers update:
Scotland………today…09…….Total….2462….BBC
Wales…………today…10…….Total….1466….BBC
N. Ireland…….today…01…….Total…..543….BBC
England……….today..*77…….Total..*28138…*SUN +NHSE
=========================================================
UK……………today….184..Total…42153….BBC
No BBC web site ‘UK’ or ‘England’ or ‘corona’ mentions numbers for darn Sarf at the time of writing. ?
PS:
‘NO UPDATE’ ON CONTACT TRACING APP
Downing Street said there was “no update” on when the NHS Covid-19 contact-tracing app would be ready for roll-out.
It comes after the Health Secretary promised it would be ready last month.
The Prime Minister’s official spokesman, asked when the app would be made available to the public, said: “I don’t have a date.”
Asked to confirm what the problem was with the app, he said: “The latest test and trace numbers will be published tomorrow, tomorrow morning I believe.
“There may well be the opportunity for you to ask further questions about the app during the course of the day, but I’ve not got any update.”
Mon the Himalayan Aardvark.
Eel Lives Matter!
Talking of cute fluffy animals, Massie the younger on Aunties Media show now.
Non indy subject, but the Dear leader and the gang might like a shooftie anyway.
I’m not from a medical background at all, so I don’t know about viruses and flu, but I can read, and what I do read is that the first wave of the Spanish flu, Spring 1918, was mild, with mortality rates not all that different from normal. Hmmm, Sound familiar?
But the second wave, in Autumn 1918, was much more deadly. The virus had mutated into a more lethal form, and went on to kill between 17-50 million people, many of them young, bucking the trend of ‘normal’ influenza.
There was also a third wave, and a fourth, although the second wave was the most deadly, because by the 3rd and 4th wave, protocols were better and the drugs were working better.
Now I don’t like the lockdown, maybe it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut, maybe it isn’t. I don’t know. But IF history repeats, we are at Summer 1918, seeing the end of the first wave before the beginning of the deadly second wave. Maybe Spring 2020 was our “dry run”….
We must HOPE that COV19 doesn’t mutate into something more lethal, because if it does, we must HOPE once again that the declining effectiveness of antibiotics doesn’t release a lethal stain of COV19 that is also something of a resistant superbug COV19 which we cannot suppress with medicines.
It seems to me, we are all in a risk assessment / risk management stage of proceedings, desperately trying to find effective treatment and vaccinations, but with half an eye on the risk that the virus might yet turn much nastier than it already is.
If we are lucky, the virus will NOT mutate into a mass killer, (say, something like Ebola Virus with an 80%+ lethality), because frankly, watching our lax and complacent UK attitudes to lockdown, I think it’s safe to say we’d be right up Shite Creek.
The fact we’re not up Shite Creek, (at least not yet), and feeling happy and joyful like we’ve dodged a bullet so easily that our lockdown looks like it was all overkill, well, that’s a luxury that’s been afforded us by the simple fact that COV19 has NOT mutated into a super lethal strain… like the second wave of Spanish Flu.
So Yes, maybe it is ok to ease lockdown, cautiously, but we have all got to be ready and prepared for lockdown to be slammed back down if COV19 comes back as something nastier.
So, while we’re all hoping for the best, play the percentages. Wear your masks. Social distance. Wash your hands, … just in case COV19 isn’t done with us yet. Do the things that are easy to do.
If time proves we’re all off the hook, then that’s terrific, but we should count our blessings and make good the flaws and faults in our lockdown and containment protocols, rudely exposed as inadequate by what has proved itself to be a relatively benign COV19, rather than a lethal one.
The history of Spanish Flu shows us what can happen, not necessarily what will, but we surely know what what is possible and the warning signs to look out for…
Sobering thought… If COV19 was a practice drill for Lockdown, judging by the spread, I reckon the UK failed it’s test, and would be sent home with “must try harder” on it’s report card.
There are positives mind… I think furloughed wages has avoided a lot of heartache. Suspending MOT’s gets a tick too… measures that have actually been helpful.
Cammy 3.38
… if you are not part of the 77th, why are you doing their job for them by turning everyone off and away with your boring, repetitive, incessant pseudo intellectualism? People “see you” Cammy! Or, more correctly, see through you.
Does the graphs & stats, no condolences and without barely a pause now the football!…. FGS! 🙁
I see the 4 Nations graph showing details of hospital deaths have been missing for a few days now. Wonder why. 🙂
That’s all folks.
Breeks. The early indications were that the virus had already mutated multiple times to less harmful versions within months of it first coming to light as is the nature of corna viruses.
My view is if it really was zootropic and a randy pangolin shagged a bat which then somehow passed it on to humans (really) then Im sure we would have culled the domestic cat and dog population just to be safe. But somehow no one ever suggested that. I
“All this publicity might be too much for you.
Do we need to put you on suicide watch?
You seem a very vulnerable and fragile snowflake.
Do we need to install a suicide inspection hatch at the top of your door, so we can look in and make sure you aren’t swinging from your crystal chandelier???”
This is totally unacceptable. If people don’t start behaving themselves I’m going to put the whole fucking comment section on pre-moderation.
“I’m very aware my welcome is in jeopardy, but I see that as a result of hostility towards ethical knowledge and moral realism. That hostility is not coming from me.”
No, it’s coming from the fundamental disrespect shown to other commenters by treating the comments like a university workgroup rather than a community of people. Take a day off once in a while.
Sensibledave
You see what you want to see, which isn’t the same as what I see. So I suggest you fill your boots. 😉
link to researchgate.net
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Will do.
Breeks,
If people with red hair were immune from this coronavirus, should they be in lockdown in empathy with others? It’s a serious question.
Bob Mack,
If you were self isolating, why would it matter to you specifically how many people went to work or to the park for a walk?
@Breeks I’m not an expert but I did study microbial genetics and immunology as part of my degree.
The Spanish flu was horrendous, all those poor people dying.
The historically interesting thing for me was the timing.
So many people’s immune systems would have been shot to hell with the stress of WW1.
The soldiers in particular, probably had been carrying numerous low level infections for years, all of that would have put stress on their ability to deal with a serious infection.
Viruses constantly mutate, and can even become weaker, after all they do not want to kill off their hosts.
Be vigilant but unfortunately, there is a serious lack of experts in government.
Antibiotics are only effective against bacteria, not viruses
@Beastplate,and
It doesn’t matter to me.We are adults. If you want to defy the regulations then please go ahead. We either listen to the amateur scientists on here or people who have done it all their lives for a living.
Accept the consequences of your own actions whatever they be, whether fines ,illness or anything else.
You decide for hou, but you only.
A Person 3.16
B
To your final paragraph -No
Bob,
I don’t understand why you are being evasive.
It’s a simple question and I know that you know the answer.
The ultra unionist STV news giving plenty of airtime to the unelected ermine vermin Jack McConnell, and what he thinks Scotland should do about getting schools back teaching, who gives a toss what McConnell thinks.
McConnell who’s the poor man’s version of Tony Blair, returned £1.5 billion pounds to Westminster from Holyroods coffers, claiming he couldn’t find anything to spend it on in Scotland when he was FM.
For this devious underhand act against Scots, he received his knighthood. McConnell was the FM that brought Trump to Scotland. If memory serves it was McConnell who allegedly chartered a helicopter for Trump, which in the process broke some Scottish parliamentary rules.
Good to see Donald MacAskill from Scottish care commission put Andrea Brymer of STV news right on her correspondent using a predominantly English report on care home funding etc from Unison ( under the guise of the UK ) . He rightly informed her that Scottish Care home funding & regulations etc . is entirely separate from England .
I see Boris is getting a paintjob on the aircraft.
All I have are visions of his big face painted on the side.
Type in “megabus glasgow” in Google Images and you will see what I mean.
Bob Mack
All the regulations in Scotland change tomorrow.
There will be far more freedom for all.
More people will be allowed to meet,,, even in houses.
More works will be returning, High streets opening up, outside drinks will be allowed.
What will you do after tomorrow Bob?
Do you agree with Sturgeon that this should be happening so soon?
Would be interested to see what you think
@Breastplate,
Sorry I thought the answer was rather obvious. This started with one individual. Just one. Demand an end to lockdown all you wish, but remember you, also by that action ,take a degree of personal responsibility for those who die it anything goes wrong.
Perhaps though you can disassociate yourself from that.
I don’t envy Nicola Sturgeons job one bit.
Bob,
I’m not trying to upset you.
I’m merely trying to engage in a reasonable debate as I have follow up questions.
As I’ve said before on here, we should all be able to adjust our thinking and therefore our actions to a logical approach to solving problems that face us.
Emotional entrenchment is not conducive to reasonable discourse, just ask any Unionist.
@David,
I agree with the experts. If they say it is safer then fine. However, if you think tomorrow is going to be carte Blanche for everybody to do anything, I fear you are mistaken.
Follow the science not the guesswork of amateurs.