Wings Over Scotland

Humza deserves the sack, that’s for sure.

Clueless, isn’t he ?

We’re nearing the end of his useless, bullying reign. Good.

Shouldn’t they be rats in the sack?

Love the smug ferret face. Genius.

Stoker @11:03

I think you just described the SNP as a whole – not just its “Leader”.

Did you see the Ghost of Christmas Past in The Guardian today? He is concerned about the rise of the ‘far right’ in Spain. I don’t remember him having much to say when Catalan indy was smashed by the Spanish tho…
What a fkn ghoul he is.

Stoker and Robert Knight – How right you both are.

Nice one Chris, we need a lot more ferrets to get outta the bag and pretty damn quick as well.

Love it – but there aren’t enough ferrets escaping from the sack and besides being too few they are also too late.

Sorry Chris another belter

For some unknown reason I decided to have a wee wander over to the WGD site to read some of the comments.

7 SNP politicians are not standing for re-election. The FM and her deputy resigned. The CEO of the SNP and the Treasurer stood down, a sitting MSP has the whip withdrawn claiming the Party is not interested in Independence, police investigations are still active, yet all seems well with the SNP according to the comments! All the other parties in the UK are apparently in a mess.

I did see some comments that ‘Wings’ posts are all full of nutters and whilst I have to disagree with ‘ALL’ it is true that Wings does have it’s fair share.

The other thing that struck me with WGD is that there is not a huge spread of posters and that, similar to Wings, various individuals post umpteen times per day. Some of them post as much shite as the regulars on Wings-Che, Baird, RoS, Geri amongst others.

Nobody in Scotland appears to know what to do for the best. What a mess.

Lovely ferrets, Chris!

So the current Defence secretary Ben Wallace is thinking of standing down in the Autumn, Ben Wallace wants to be the new spokesperson for Nato, after no one wanted the job and the current spokesperson Jens Stoltenberg was forced to stay in the position for another year.

The calibre of Nato spokesperson isn’t that good with Lord George Robertson holding the post, then Stoltenberg and now Wallace wants it.

Wallace was caught out lying that he captured IRA bombers in NI in the 90’s he was decorated for it, but the MoD put a block on any info on the incident, old newspaper articles show that no one was prosecuted.

Wallace will make an excellent spokesperson for Nato.

link to declassifieduk.org

@dearieme

You have the perfect moniker if you think the solution to anyones problems is getting rid of 2 football teams.

Luigi

That’s the New Pretender, as a result of the flawed and fraudulent election process that left him in charge of Scotland’s pretendy Indy party, and then pretendy FM of Scotland in our own wee, pretendy parliament.

As James Che pointed out, he’s also Keeper of the pretendy Great Seal.

And as others here have pointed out, uncountable Scots are now pretending they never supported or voted for the SNP at all.

Treble pretences all round!

Main.

This is the third time Stoltenberg (aka the Lord Haw Haw of Nato) has had to extend his tenure, because no consensus between Nato members being found on a new Nato SG and chosen ones rejecting the job such as Mette Frederiksen, Kaja Kallas, the prime minister of Estonia was lined up as the next Nato SG but she was relected as PM of Estonia.

Joe Biden wants Ursula von der Leyen to become the next secretary general of Nato.

@Republicofscotland (7.01) –

Aye, he’s just a well-dressed thug.

RoS

So you’ve gone from “no one wanted the job” to “no consensus being found”.

So my first verdict was right:

BS.

And the only eejits bandying about the “Lord Haw Haw” jibe are, like I wrote, eejits.

45 sovereign nations supporting 404 with cold, hard, cash. I look forwards to iScotland becoming the 46th.

No apologies for reposting this link.

Anyone supporting the greedy wee Action Man should be ashamed and the latest virtue-signalling pish from Shirley-Anne Sommerville should be condemned.

No-one’s falling for this pish any more.

21stcenturywire.com/2023/07/13/scott-ritter-investigation-agent-zelensky-part-1/

Robert Hughes – Well written. By the way, Starmer and Sarwar are both coming down the tracks towards us and they’re another pair that love themselves.

O/T: I’ve just finished watching Winnie Ewings memorial service on youtube by IndependenceLive. It had some beautiful solo singing [at 1hr to 1.08] and two excellent eulogies by Alex Salmond [from 39 minutes to 55] and Alex Neil from 1h 11.23.

At 1h 44 Alex Salmond has a word with Humza…

Pfizer, Ursula von der Leyen and €35 billion corruption

link to moderndiplomacy.eu

Fckn moderation!

What did I say now?! *rolls yes*

Anyhoo, great cartoon. There’ll be no discipline. They needed a leader for that role & everyone knew Dumbza wasn’t it. They backed him lol. He should’ve called Sturgeons bluff once in office & cleaned house from day one.

Instead of aiming at the bullseye,too many wading in bullshit!

And if you happen to feel something lumpy under your feet as you try

to move forward,well that’s a scottish politician…that’s what that
is!

It’s not votes those lumps need!

PhilM @ 12:10 am

“The current predicament of the SNP does not surprise me at all.”

It shouldn’t really surprise anyone considering its behaviour is predicted for us by established postcolonial theory, in that: the dominant national party ‘leads the people up a blind alley’; ‘the party machine shows itself opposed to any innovation’ to secure independence; the party elite ‘feathers its nest’ and ‘builds up its pensions’; the party’s ‘will to break colonialism is linked to another will – that of coming to a friendly agreement with it’; and, in order ‘to hold back the movement’ and ‘protect the colonizer’s interest’ the party elite (now working alongside colonial forces) has to become ‘an instrument of coercion’.

The key problem remains, which is ‘the peoples lack of knowledge’ about what independence means (i.e. decolonization), why it is necessary (i.e. liberation from oppression), and how it can be achieved, information that is now available:

link to salvo-cor.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com

SNP has the leader, it deserves, a devolved, second rate puppet!

The party has already reached it’s zenith. The cult of personality is over. There is no messiah!

The last thing, the Scottish electorate needs is to fall into the clutches, of another false prophet! Best recognise the fact, Devolution is where SNP resides.

Self-determination rests with the people of Scotland and the Inner House of the Court of Session. Those who so obviously failed the people, SNP, may defer to Westminster in their defence.

Ultimately, resolution can only be found in court sanction of a referendum, on the future of Scotland.

‘The People of Scotland versus The Scottish Parliament’, therein, lies the answer to the question of self-determination.

Scottish politics will remain a farce until the people of Scotland, take back control.

Jimuckmac says:
15 July, 2023 at 10:43 pm

Pfizer, Ursula von der Leyen and €35 billion corruption…

Far be it from me to defend von der Leyen, but she is perhaps in the running for scapegoat of convenience.

I believe the West / NATO/ The EU / problems run much deeper.

While “The Press” in the West would have you believe otherwise, the aforementioned “West” has been comprehensively out thought, out played, and outmanoeuvred throughout the events in Eastern Europe, and have been schooled by Vlad the Unmentionable in virtually every discipline from Military strategy and tactics, Diplomacy, History, Economics and Statesmanship.

Pretty much the only lessons heading in the opposite direction, from West to East, are how “NOT” to do things.

While striving to remain objectively suspicious, how can I describe them, “the Non-Western Journalists” of the world have been given an eye opening “education”, where the conduct of Western Journalists has obliged their opposite numbers to recalibrate the dishonesty of the Western media. Such opinions were never very high to begin with, but there’s a very real sense that all rules, standards, and records have been broken. There ARE no rules.

Yes, of course it takes two to Tango, and only a fool would ignore history of Communist era deceptions and disinformation, but personally, I believe the Battle for hearts and minds was conceded when access to reporting was restricted in the West. Pro Ruskian outlets were shut down, while global observers via the internet have been able to witness Western propaganda being both broadcast freely, and typically, summarily demolished with contradictory evidence. And yes, I mean evidence.

Virtually nothing about the crisis in Yookraine has been reported fairly and objectively in West. The defeat probably hasn’t been as one sided as the defeat of Iraqi or Islamist forces by the Americans, but that is a misleading perspective considering the comparative nature of the fighting. Be under no doubt that the Ruskians took on, and roundly defeated, a potent AFU army trained and backed by NATO. To use the graphic vernacular, they didn’t just beat them, but fked them off the park.

There is an eerily familiar echo to the militarism, with all the high tech advanced modern weaponry coming unstuck when confronted with the crude resilience and obduracy of Ruskians fighting for Ruskia. (Before you say it, to them it IS Ruskia). It is objectively the truth that the Ruskian forces are now doing to Leopards what their grandfathers did to Tigers.

The Ruskians know their history. Their adversaries know their propaganda. And I mean, let’s not even mention the Transgender can of worms, and how that shit is going down in the trenches. FFS, let’s not even go there.

Such reverses as the Ruskian Army has suffered, such as the Nordstream 2, the blown up bridge into Crimea, or the Kakhovka Dam being destroyed, absolutely reek of Western “irregular warfare”, in some circumstances bordering on terrorist style suicide bombing. It is war without bravery.

Yes of course, no argument from me, that the drone attacks upon targets and infrastructure in Yookraine falls into the same category of cowardly and terror inducing attack. However, at least to a degree, the Ruskians do seem to be targetting infrastucture and storage capacity in an attempt to interdict NATO weapons and military personel on their way to the front. They’re saving their own lives.

But the point is, (see? I got to it eventually), for all the hubris, incompetence, disasterous strategic responses, and self inflicted damage of Economic Sanctions, not one single head has rolled. Not a single NATO General advisor has been sacked. Not a single bum has been removed from it’s seat. In fact, Ursula von der Leyen is in the running for promontion to become UN Secretary General. It’s actually insane. It’s all a game to these fkg people.

Right now, nobody is listening. Nobody wants to hear it. But perhaps there is a time coming when the world will be thankful for Vlad the Unmentionable’s restraint. Yes, I said restraint and meant it. Restraint that nearly led to him being deposed by is own Warhawks for NOT being aggressive enough. Maybe take a moment to think about that.

“IF” old Vlad got the heave-ho, and let’s speculate Wagner began to steamroller West to finish the job they should have finished in 1945, (their attitude, not mine). Exactly what would you use to stop them? Javelin missiles? HIMARs? Polish Krebs? Patriots? Leopard 2 Main Battle Tanks?

Sanctions? Didn’t work out so great, did they?

The ONLY thing the West should be launching are the long overdue Peace talks they should have started back in the 1990’s instead of their disingenuous Minsk “Agreements”. Don’t wait for the Americans or the Brits to hatch some “cunning plan”. Just do it for the sake of peace. Isolate and ostracise the shit stirrers.

What a bloody mess, and if we’re not careful, there will be a huge price to pay.

“For entertainment purposes only: The USA wants an EU leader as Secretary General as NATO will become the military wing of the EU once the USA decides to go after China”

Stuart Mackay.

After the fall of the Soviet Union/USSR, Nato had no remit they have to create fear among Europeans, a bogeyman if you like, Nato used DP shells in Bosnia/Kosovo and cluster bomb weapons, it was involved in Syria and Afghanistan, it even has its tentacles into South East Asia, its not as it describes itself a defensive organisation, its a warmongering group of nations led by the US.

link to declassifieduk.org

@ Breeks

Right about now , the Drunk Mole Brothers will be furiously marshalling their collection of paper planes , elastic bullets – which never reach their intended targets , instead recoil back and lodge themselves in the club-feet of the shooters – Intercontinental water-pistols and all the lethally stupid weaponry at the disposal , with the Ramones ” Rocket To R****a ” on heavy rotation ,in an effort to shoot down your typically perspicacious comments .

” ONE ! TWO ! THREE ! FOUR ! cretins want to hop some more

Four-five-six-seven, all good cretins go to heaven

There’s no stoppin’ the cretins from hoppin’

You gotta keep it beatin’ for all the hoppin’ cretins “

ROS

” Interestingly on the lack of any prosecution from the Hague of Blair and Bush over Iraq ….”

Of course , politicians in the West live consequence-free lives ; doesn’t matter how seriously n gravely they fuck-up , they never face even the slightest condemnation , never mind what they should face ie ….jail . In fact , not only are there never any penalties for the death n destruction the wreak on other countries , they go on to amass huge fortunes from their crimes , get to pontificate on global( ist ) forums and – most shocking of all – their opinions are sought and listened to when – inevitably – similar situations of conflict arise .

Breeks @ 10:43 on the 15th;

Absolutely excellent post, well done.

You had the idiot gammon Main spitting out his cornflakes within minutes.

Any updates on that “ticking clock” at Polis Sco’lan’?

@ Owen Mullions at 11.36: “Just as you can hold office and achieve nothing.”

Sturgeon was sitting there, having had the gall to attend. Do you think that she squirmed at that?

There were several points in both eulogies that Humza should have taken on board including Winnie’s 4 points on how Holyrood should conduct itself. At the end of the service, Alex had a few words with Humza – I hope Humza will shake off NS and revert to listening to Alex instead.

The singer was Julie Fowlis, as I expect everyone but me knew! Beautiful songs, beautifully sung. In Gaelic so perhaps not to the Revs taste though.

Sarah – “Winnie’s 4 points on how Holyrood should conduct itself.”

I am now pessimistic for Scotland’s future under Holyrood. Whether it’s SNP or Labour, it doesn’t matter. The spirit of optimism and trust has been destroyed. I don’t think somehow that any of us really know how bad it is at Holyrood.

@ Captain Yossarian: “..any of us really know how bad it is at Holyrood.”

I think the Rev knows and is doing his best to share the word but not getting help from MSM, as usual.

Sarah @9:55 pm

If they were discussing the potential for scottish sharia to allow stoning of the prosecutors, in addition to keeping attempted rape allegators anonymous, it might help explain the hobsons choice*, from a religious perspective, at next holyrood election.

Ditto, and by extension, the outgoing police chief’s extraordinary claim about racism being rife in the civil service (shortly after his old boss had gotten on her knees to channel John Main/Colin Caeperniks demands to be shown the (cough) money, etc)

Robert Hughes

Epic! Although in truth current circumstances dictate that Nicola Sturgeon, like Ruth Davidson elsewhere, might be by far the best candidate for that job. Different circumstances might have seen a more appropriate role reversal but the silver lining for Sturgeon could maybe be having the recent 2 time hot favourite for UK PM as her lead spokesman/ bag carrier. 🙂

*unless and to extent Douglas Ross can benefit from an infeasible amount of second hand stardust in event Ruth Davidson brings home the rugby world cup.

The farce of the SNP

Candidate one:

Have you been investigated by the police? (Allegedly) Fecked off with over £600k? Lost yer party 70k members? Brought the party into disrepute? Fear not, we at the SNP are here to help. Have a bouquet of flowers, a heartfelt apology & you can keep yer job & yer property allegedly obtained by ill gotten gains.

Candidate two:

Have you had a rammy with an eejit at work that wasn’t your fault? Told a few home truths? Served yer constituents 18 yrs service? Were you Mis-sold an independence referendum? Been made to look a fool by the roaster known as Slater? Well you receive a suspension, yer membership revoked & you must leave the party with immediate effect. You’ve brought shame. We have standards & codes of conduct you know! Feck off & yer not coming back..

Btw, Angus has spoken out. Plan B & even writing to Mayhem for a section 30 himself who passed it on to Mundel to reply to. Also spoken out on twitter as well as various podcasts. Telling us a sec 30 *was for the birds* as far back as 2018 & totally exasperated of repeating the same failed plan hoping for a different outcome. Angus is a keeper, imo. Also ace at handling the media & as far as I know has never fluffed an interview & always has an answer. He should’ve been WM leader – instead we had whiney fckn Blackford for yrs. He’ll make an excellent leader of a political part & a future FM of Scotland, imo.

As for Cherry – well she’s doing it for the women, girls & gay rights at WM & those may not be indy but they are our most imminent threat in the here & now & is smashing it out of the park..

Also remember they’re elected to serve their constituents. Not serve the party with their fcked up policies adopted from another political party by Sturgeon.

Just my bobs worth..

Let’s see.

UK**e voted for independence in 1991. 92% for. Turnout 84%.

Percentage identified as ethnic UK**e 75%. 25% identified as ROosh.

Over time, according to research in Manchester Uni those ethnic identifications have changed.

First in 2014. Then in 2019 and since Feb 2022. Many more now regard themselves as ethnic UK**e.Across all regions. Across linguistics.

What happened?

2013: Yanukovich’s government suspended trade and association talks with the EU in November and opted to revive economic ties with Moocow, triggering months of mass rallies in Ki vive.

2014: The protests, largely focused around Kyiv’s Maidan square, turned violent. Dozens of protesters were kissed.

February 2014: The parliament voted to remove Yanukovich, who fled to Roosh. Within days, armed men seize parliament in the Uk**en region of Comeea and raise the Roosh flag. Moocow annexed the territory after a March 16 referendum which showed overwhelming support in Comeea for joining the Roosh Federation.

Judging by subsequent events in territory occupied there might have been just a teensy weensy icky bit pressure on how to vote.

Aljazeera ran a piece on what was happening in where Don Bass and Lew Hansk were occupied. It is like North Korea it said, with the closest of eyes kept on the population. Theft, violins and torcher.

“For almost two years, he was incarcerated and torchered in these “cellars” until separatists swapped him and dozens of other prisoners in 2017.

Thousands of others were torchered and ab used in the “cellars”, according to rights groups and witnesses. The grave human rights abuses make Don Etsk and Lew hansk far worse than today’s Roosh, an international human rights advocate said.

“The cellars where prisoners are held in Don Etsk, and the widespread use of torcher, are among the most obvious human right issues,” said Ivar Dale, a senior policy adviser with the Norwegian Helsinki Committee, a human rights watchdog group.”

There was no genocide by UK**e anywhere. That is a lie.

It looks to me that UK**e has been ecovering from the effects of colonisation for some time. Some drawn to the East, some to the West and inherited with its freedom a big pile of **it. Corruption, division. now, more united by an ill eagle invasion.

The big increase for support in joining the EU and NATO came in 2019 when Lee Zensky proposed the idea. It was called the Zee lensky effect though some here may call it the Glasgow effect Such is my grip on realty.

Divergent attitudes of Roosh and UK**e to one another is clearly visible in opinion polls. In 2008-2010, during the last three years of UK**e President Viktor Yushchenko’s term when relations were tense following Roosh in vasion of Georg ia on my mind, UK**e attempts to receive a Membership Action Plan at NATO’s Bucharest summit, and an ongoing Roosh-UK**e gas crisis, polls did not show a significant worsening of UK**e views of Roosh. Between 88 and 93 percent of UK**e held positive views of Roosh, with only 6-9 percent espousing negative views.

In contrast, during the same period, the percentage of Roosh holding positive views of UK**e plummeted from 55 to 34 percent. UK**E phobia in the Roosh media peaked during the second half of 2009, when UK**e expelled Roosh diplomats for promoting separatism and Roosh nationalist extremism and President Dmitri Medvedev responded with a threatening open letter to then President Viktor Yushchenko.

In 2010, with the election of Viktor Yanukovych, Roosh attitudes toward UK**e dramatically improved, doubling to a 70 percent approval rating. Yanukovych signed the Khar kiv Accords extending the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement to 2042, and UK**e adopted a ‘non-bloc’ foreign policy and changed its approach to national identity questions such as the Holodomor.

UK**e attitudes toward Roosh were stable until 2013, with positive attitudes ranging from 65 percent in the west to 93 percent in the east. These figures belied allegations of a Roosh phobic western UK**e; only twenty percent of the public there held negative views of Roosh.

Not surprisingly, the major shift in opinion took place after 2014. A major gulf in attitudes rose regarding Come ea, whose annexation was supported by 87 percent of Roosh and opposed by 69 percent of UK**e. In Roosh, both pro-Put it in supporters and anti-Put it in oppositionists like Alexei Navalny and Mikhail Khodorkovsky backed the annexation of Come ea. Seventy-nine percent of Roosh linked that action to the revival of Roosh as a great power and a return to Roosh rightful dominance of the former Sovi 8 Union.

Positive Roosh attitudes toward UK**e once again dramatically collapsed during the Euromaidan, which was portrayed in massive state-sponsored information campaigns as a West ern-backed coup bringing Roosh phobes and fash chests to power.

Beginning in spring 2014, UK**e attitudes toward Roosh begin to massively change—not because of any state-directed propaganda campaigns but in response to Put it in’s millie tary aggression. By mid-2014, positive views of Roosh had fallen to 52 percent. Put it in’s aggression has integrated UK**e and Roosh speakers by bringing the views of eastern and southern UK**es closer to those of central UK**es.

From “The Conversation”

@Shug 4:37pm
I have a different explanation. Nobody was holding the Scottish Government and Nicola to account. Her MSPs,MPs, the MSM and even the Scottish Parliament with their deficient structure and procedural processes. If you want to think about the integrity of the Scottish Parliament think Linda Fabiani. Police Scotland are rightly taking their time in amongst World class diversion and non transparency. The truth will out and people are going to jail. Amen

Republicofscotland says:
16 July, 2023 at 9:59 am

von der Leyen was the German Defence minister for six years (2013/19) it was punctuated with with nepotism and incompetence.

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Broomsticks

I’m posting this brief rhetorical analysis of my earlier ‘speech’ post separately because that post was getting to be on the long side.

Of course my ‘speech’ was deliberately way over-the-top, more of an unconvincing rant really, so that I could highlight how rhetoric is constructed.

All the Scots need to do is vote for independence using some kind of democratic mechanism. Not quite the same thing as the American revolution.

And I’m sure King Charles III isn’t nearly as bad as I made him out to be. I’ll be honest, that little bit in the middle of my speech about him, and England, was nicked.

It was actually part of the peroration of Frederick Douglass’s 1852 Fourth of July address. Douglass (1818–95) was born into slavery in Maryland, but escaped to the North and became one of the most celebrated campaigners for abolition. He was having a go at America and its hypocrisy over slavery.

My effort at speech writing uses a number of rhetorical figures including: Anaphora (possibly Obama’s favourite figure), Litotes, rising and descending Tricolon, Alliteration, Personification, and Hyperbole.

It’s constructed like this:

First comes the Exordium. That’s where you make the audience receptive using one of a number of techniques, but mostly just getting your audience to think of you as one of them – hence ‘Obama’s’ references to Uncle Sam and ex presidents with a Scottish heritage and his own Scottish heritage.

Next comes the Narration. Narration is the who, what, when and where. That’s where you lay into your opponent, often with a bit of spin and hyperbole.

Finally comes the peroration. The peroration is where the speaker can really have fun. This is the opportunity to end on a twenty-one-gun salute, to move the audience to tears of pity or howls of rage, to wheel out your grandest figures and highest-sounding words (I think I might have failed here with my effort).

The peroration often uses figures of auxesis (a gradual increase in intensity) and repetition – frequently pulling together words or themes from earlier in the speech. This is where many orators will crank it up a wee bit in the direction of the grand style.

Of course my rhetorical breakdown is at best very basic. It can get a lot more complex and intricate but I’ve given you the bare bones of rhetorical construction.

And lastly, I apologise for my poor attempt at speech writing. I suspect there won’t be much in the way of career opportunities in that discipline for me.

But I hope at least I’ve given some idea of how powerful rhetoric can be and how we should always take the speeches we hear and the literature we read with a pinch of salt – at least until we’re sure of their validity.

@ Northcode 11.09pm TBQH northcode I enjoyed your previous speech irrespective of certain others efforts to demean and denigrate your work,I wouldn’t worry about their criticism I have yet to see any positivity in their comments which is a pity as some of their previous exhortations were bordering on lucidity

@Northcode

I’m sure that I spotted a hendiadys in there.

@ Northcode

I agree with Twathater’s comment below your last , above .

Your fictional speech is a fine one . Too fine to ever be uttered by the collection of feeble mirror-gazing narcissists that comprise this generation of politicians

Northcode, ignore the smug entitled bastard.

Quite hard to find this so the sound is not the best but check out the insanity that is being taught to kids and the madness that is going on in schools as a result.

Of course Nicola gets an honorary mention…

People identifying as cats, other animals etc etc…

youtube.com/watch?v=pPz4f-Q7D3g

It’s safe to say, the Scottish National Party has played a significant part in undermining any faith the Scottish electorate had in politics.

As far as I’m concerned, immanent elections have absolutely no bearing on pursuit of self-determination, by the general public.

Politicians are now almost irrelevant, except for future court proceedings, as respondents to legal action for misrepresentation of our right to self-determination!

@twathater. Thanks, tawathater. Much appreciated.

@Robert Hughes. Thanks for the compliment, Robert. Again, much appreciated.

@Dorothy Devine – 🙂

The paratactic @Oneliner – at least one Hendiadys, and a couple of Transferred Epithet, too.

“What the fuck has happened to our once proud shipbuilding tradition?”

Sadly, folk have now been asking that question for 50 years. The tories (red and blue) decided to put everything on a shiny, globalist future, where everything of any value was outsourced around the world (cheap labour) and London made a mint out of laundering the world’s dirty money. Easy money. Home manufacturing was too much like hard work. Investment? Why bother? Worked a treat – for a while.

Well, now with the Brexit hangover and BRICS kicking in, we are in a very different world. Globalism is off the agenda (some deluded fools think it is still going to happen) and even the dirty money is going elsewhere. Those countries that sold off the family silver in a hurry and banked everything on a global economy (essentially the west, led enthusiastically by the US and it’s UK puppet) are now seriously screwed. Folk’s this ain’t going to end well. Empires rarely go quietly.

Ron Clark
6.44
The Finns honed their shipbuilding skills through paying WW11 reparations to the USSR. Then they made their name building ice breakers and developed Nokia mobile phones. Now it’s cruise ships. They’re independent and they’re imaginative.

Northcode

Your didactic posts on rhetoric are always a welcome feature of Wings.

I wonder, could you do one about adianoeta? I learned that term recently. It would be good to have your take on it sometime. Of course you may have posted about it before.

@Ian Brotherhood says:17 July, 2023 at 12:14 pm

Not long to go now before Scots Indy can really break out the celebratory bunting, eh Ian?

Do make sure do tell us beforehand exactly what we will all be celebrating, there’s a good chap.

Some of us Sovereign Scots can’t quite see how our own Scottish independence and freedom from colonialist imperialism is going to be enhanced by a stunning victory for oppressive, militarist, colonialist imperialism just the other side of Europe.

Fucks sake, some of us are so dense we can’t even see how Scottish aspirational EU/EFTA membership is helped by an existentialist threat to the EU. What are we like, eh? Too fucking stoopid, honestly it’s embarrassing that you will have to step in and teach us.

So, Ian, me auld mucker, take some time out from your celebratory dancing around the funeral pyre of yet another sovereign, independent nation and culture to explain why we must all join in.

Northcode

Thanks Northcode. I shall look forward to reading it.

@Brian Doonthetoon says:17 July, 2023 at 1:26 pm

That’s a great article, thanks for the link.

Ian B .

As anyone who watched the Scott Ritter video you posted the other day SHOULD realise , Agent Z is so mired in corruption and deceit , his role as the US’s glove-puppet means he will sacrifice any amount of his countrymen – indeed the totality of the country – in the desperate effort to preserve his own worthless skin . Even if it means bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war , or over that brink .

People need to remember , the likes of Agent Z , the ” tactical nuclear strikes ” fantasists in and around the White House / Pentagon and the rabid profit-at-any-human-cost dogs of the MIC are psychopaths ; morally , spiritually & psychologically depraved beyond remedy . They must be stopped before they precipitate the destruction of us all

The brotherhood gathered together today united in their belief of the pure evil of UK**e should first check their sources.

In particular, the past convictions of Mr Ritter, much admired by some.

@sam says:17 July, 2023 at 3:20 pm

it does not explain the popularity of UK**e’s president abroad. Here, too, shared values are the key…

An innarestin assessment.

Maybes shared values are the key to the usual deplorables’ continuing rabid enthusiasm for the Orcs too.

Luckily, their warped and perverted shared values are a million miles away from the shared values of the majority of decent Scots. Decent Scots may well be split approx 50-50 on Indy, but we can all recognise another Sovereign Nation fighting mightily for its independence, freedom, culture and language against a vicious, colonialist, invading, occupying empire.

And thus we can nearly all be on the right side of history with this one.

Usual deplorables excepted.

@sam (3.20) –

‘Sorry to disappoint you, Ian, the UK**e soldiers’ deaths are not as high as you thought.’

If that’s the best you can do you must be a bit thick as well as a nasty-minded cunt.

@Ian Brotherhood says:17 July, 2023 at 4:20 pm

If that’s the best you can do you must be a bit thick as well as a nasty-minded cunt

Aw Ian, brave face an that.

And remember hearts and minds. You’re trying to convert decent Scots to supporting the genocide of a free and independent nation and culture. Simply spouting expletives won’t do that.

And if you’re worrying your bunting won’t keep, dinna fash, that stuff is good for years.

@Republicofscotland says:17 July, 2023 at 4:13 pm

Ah ken fit ye mean RoS. One hard-done-by imperialist aggressor invaded and is destroying a former colony, and it’s the former colony’s bastarding fault it can’t get its produce shipped to market through the ports under the control of the imperialist aggressor.

It’s a crying shame how the MSM twists everything to make it look like the imperialist aggressor is at fault.

BTW, couldn’t you do with shedding a few pounds? Free up a bit grain for those countries that need it more?

@Captain Yossarian says:17 July, 2023 at 4:29 pm

Perhaps Holyrood as a respected institution just needs a bullet in the head?

The incumbents of HR knew that the election process that put HY in place as SNP leader was deeply flawed and mired in illegality.

But the incumbents of HR went ahead and elected him FM anyway.

By doing so, they showed that they don’t care about the law, they don’t care about appearances, and they don’t care how the reputation of Scotland looks to the rest of the world.

They don’t care about handing ammunition to Scotland’s enemies, because any legit politician facing and negotiating with HY will know he is a fraud, and thus in a weakened position.

And they certainly don’t care about us ordinary Scots.

Sadly, I think the root of it all is that we ordinary Scots don’t care, and from that, everything else flows.

Ever seen any #NOT MY FM banners? Naw, me neither.

“Ian Brotherhood says:
17 July, 2023 at 4:20 pm
@sam (3.20) –

‘Sorry to disappoint you, Ian, the UK**e soldiers’ deaths are not as high as you thought.’

If that’s the best you can do you must be a bit thick as well as a nasty-minded cunt.”

Deflection there, Ian. Just telling you the figures you quoted can’t be verified by a reputable source and also are not regarded by US Defence Intelligence as accurate.

If you are not going to acknowledge the possibility of being wrong why mention the UK**e losses in the first place and why the petulant reaction rather than admitting the possibility of being wrong.

It’s not so long ago that you were thanking me for providing you with information. Now I provide you with information that looks to be more accurate than that in your post and you go ape.

@Robert Hughes

“fuck-off with conflating the people of Uk rain with the targets of our condemnation ie …the despicable leaders they’re currently cursed with”

Generally populations do understand their leaders pretty well and it is indisputable that now that particular leader has approval ratings of over 90%. A reasonable person might think it useful to take account of those ratings and the wisdom of the population in deciding what is “despicable” about that leader.

Mr Ritter does have convictions. According to the BBC, “Scott Ritter has been found guilty of unlawful contact with a minor following an online sex sting operation.

Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, had a sexually graphic online chat in 2009 with an undercover police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl named Emily.”

He is your source. The only one?

Luigi @ 11:44 am

“What the fuck has happened to our once proud shipbuilding tradition?”

The fact is we do not educate enough of our own people to design and build ships, or much else it seems. For many years our universities have mostly employed and educated people from other countries and cultures to do such things elsewhere, and to do most of our thinking for us.

O/T

Don’t usually bother with social media but I’ve been spending a lot of time on YouTube lately.

I’ve noticed quite a few adverts from the Scottish Labour branch highlighting. They are not promoting their policies but highlighting the SNP financial investigation and other scandals involving the party.

I have no doubt that these adverts will be on other social media platforms.

Leaving aside the glaring fact that the unionist branches in Scotland can lean on their London paymasters for financial assistance that the SNP can never dream of having, it looks like Labour is going all in to get more Westminster seats here.

It is hardly surprising that the SNP Westminster MP’s are doing their best to either find alternative careers or finding ways of keeping their seats.

The red tory branch manager in Scotland Anas Sarwar makes up a pathetic excuse to defend his millionaire knight of the realm boss.

“ANAS Sarwar has made a ridiculous excuse for Labour’s decision not to scrap the two-child benefit cap – claiming that changing the policy would risk a repeat of the disastrous Liz Truss mini-budget.

The Scottish Labour leader claimed there were fears of repeating the financial mismanagement imposed by Truss and then-chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng, which saw inflation rise, the pound collapse and a hike to mortgage interest rates.”

I don’t have much hope, any, that Operation Branchform will result in prosecutions of those who deserve it. COPFS has permitted prosecutions of clearly innocent parties – Mark Hirst and Alex Salmond, for example – and I can’t see them suddenly pursuing justice instead.

Iain MacWhirter’s article refers to rumours within the SNP about charges being imminent in Operation Branchform case. Can anyone else see a change of heart in COPFS? I hope for but doubt it.

“Ian Brotherhood says:
17 July, 2023 at 6:09 pm
@sam (5.08) –

I hope for your sake that you are a 77er or suchlike because if your comments today are sincerely held personal opinions then you are sick in the head.”

I shouldn’t have called you a cunt and it won’t happen again – ”

Still deflecting I see. Not willing to admit the possibility of being wrong?

You’ve called me in your previous post “thick” as well as a cunt. Now you say I’m sick in the head, conditionally of course. I have to be believing what I post. Or be a 77er. Is that ageist?

Would you withdraw the remark about being “sick in the head” if I said I don’t ever mean what I say?

Did you know that phrase, “sick in the head” is identified in medical research literature as derogatory towards people with mental health problems? Use of it among the young is an obstacle towards those with mental health problems seeking help. Youngsters get such derogatory language from the media and parents.

You only mentioned deaths of soldiers. You might have mentioned deaths of civilians. Of course, those are overwhelmingly from one country.

And you were only interested in one country?

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 9,177 civilian deaths as of June 30, 2023. Furthermore, 15,993 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.

Michael Forsyth’s mother, or maybe his sister, was a school teacher and so took an interest in education and managed it in conjunction with the Councils and Unions and kept it on a steady course. Same for policing, law, the health service and all the rest of it. That’s the point I was making. Now, after 25-years of devolution, it is all in a mess. As far as PFI goes, England dropped that 6 or 8 years ago. Scotland still uses it to build everything (some of it quite badly, I would add). That’s why we are constantly complaining we don’t have enough money. A lot went wrong pre-Devolution and I agree with you on of that, or most of it, but a lot has gone wrong in the last 25-years here too, hasn’t it. It’s been a missed opportunity – can we agree on that?

Sarah – I understand that at least one other outside agency is involved, so it’s not just Police Scotland and the COPFS. I’m therefore optimistic that the correct arrest(s) will be made. I have absolutely no inside knowledge by the way.

I was trying to think of the image that captures the Sturgeon years best.
For me it is a toss-up between:
1. Painted-on windows on the Glen Sannox
2. Classroom doors cut-off at the bottom (Have tried to find out through FOI if any actually were but “ScotGov does not keep records”).
3. A cardboard box for newborn babies box (that does not work).
We desperately need Branchform to seer these into the electorate’s conciousness to ensure that no Sturgeon-like cult is ever permitted to form again.
Well, at least not until the next time.

@Republicofscotland says:17 July, 2023 at 7:19 pm

The relevance of your ferret onto the sovereignty of the Falkland Isles eludes me, but maybes you could answer a simple question.

Has the bastarding English government told Argentina that they regard the Falklands as English and that any attempt to attack them will be met with a nuclear response?

Haha, just my little joke.

Here’s a wee quote from those bastarding liars at Wiki:

“A referendum on political status was held in the Falkland Islands on 10–11 March 2013. The Falkland Islanders were asked whether or not they supported the continuation of their status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom in view of Argentina’s call for negotiations on the islands’ sovereignty.

On a turnout of 92%, 99.8% voted to remain a British territory, with only three votes against. Had the islanders rejected the continuation of their current status, a second referendum on possible alternatives would have been held. Brad Smith, the leader of the international observer group, announced that the referendum was free and fair and executed in accordance with international standards and international laws.”

Sovereign Falklanders, eh? No, don’t tell us, it’s the wrong sort of sovereignty, or it fails to pass your self-imposed ideological purity test.

Sovereign Falklanders right enough. They wouldn’t see you or others who think like you in their road.

Viscount Ennui @ 19.42

Perhaps the image of the “private” former First Minister calling a press conference to announce that she was making no comment and that “she was convinced she had committed no offence”.
Laugh ? I was almost tempted to go out and stand a round for everyone.

Main.

“Argentina’s government is celebrating a decision by a UN commission to expand its maritime territory in the South Atlantic Ocean by 35% to include the disputed Falkland islands and beyond.

The Argentine foreign ministry said its waters had increased by 1.7 million square km (0.66 million square miles) and the decision will be key in its dispute with Britain over the islands. Argentina lost a brief, bloody 1982 war with Britain after Argentinian troops seized the South Atlantic archipelago that Latin Americans call the Malvinas.

The UN commission on the limits of the continental shelf sided with Argentina, ratifying the country’s 2009 report fixing the limit of its territory at 200 to 350 miles from its coast.”

I found this reply to above by the English government very enlightening in a hypocritical sense.

“The British government says islanders cannot be forced to accept Argentinian sovereignty against their will.”

Putting Scotland’s position aside for a moment with the above in mind, one wonders what the Chaggossians would make of that statement

Of course UK oil companies are making a fortune from oil found in Argentine territorial waters, under the guise that the Falkland island are cough cough British.

link to polarjournal.ch

Craig Murray,
Yes, it always seems important to some to play the man and not the ball.
“Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.”

@Breastplate says:17 July, 2023 at 8:47 pm

If we accept there are two sovereign nations, sharing a common border, then one of these nations is a good bit over the shared border on the other nation’s territory.

It “suits me” to believe this. Not only is the lie in the MSM, it is in all the “alternative” news sources the deplorables like to cherry pick from when it suits them.

It “suits me” to believe that borders should be respected as an ultimate principle of international relations, not the least because I dearly wish for the borders of my own nation, Scotland, to be respected and held sacrosanct.

BTW, bad timing with your post. Immediately above, RoS is claiming that what the inhabitants of any area of the world’s surface actually want is irrelevant. Tough for the Dons U Bass, eh?

To be fair, tough for the UK rainy folks too, but fortunately, we can discount every wibble RoS writes, as if taken seriously, it would end all hope for Scots Indy. Tough for us, eh?

Not to mention world peace.

Anyways, as you pointed out, it’s all lies. The cluster munitions, the nuclear sabre rattling, the mass graves, the drone attacks, the existence of the big bridge, the sinking of the big ship, the n@zis, Wagner, dead kids, rescued cats, those fake refugees in Sue Ryder, all lies, lies and more lies.

That’s what it “suits you” to believe isn’t it:

the Russ Ian government will lie to its people, the Uk rainian government will lie to its people and our Governments (both of them) will lie to us.

So how do we find out the truth? Unfortunately the answer is we don’t

Ouija boards, clairvoyance, has their time finally come? Try them out and report back, BP.

@ Captain Yossarian at 7.23: “…at least one other outside agency is involved, so it’s not just Police Scotland and COPFS. I am therefore optimistic that the correct arrest[s] will be made.”

I pray that your optimism is justified. They have got away with so much when I have thought their come-uppance was inevitable that I hardly dare hope any more.

That’s a good point, Breastplate.

@Dan says:17 July, 2023 at 8:38 pm

open the fucking doors a bit

Ah Dan, your naive innocence is oddly touching, even if it does hint at what must be your advancing age and lack of contact with modern day Scottish reality.

When was the last time you were in a Scottish school, in the Central Belt, say.

These places are locked down, often with campus police officers on duty, because otherwise, some knife-wielding or gun-toting maniac could burst in and start slaying anybody within reach.

You can’t just open the fucking doors and leave them open.

Salmond’s speech on Winnie. Starts at roughly the 39 minute mark.

youtube.com/watch?v=KGlnX89nzR4

What a class act Alex Salmond is.

Stuart MacKay @ 9:51 pm

“The Falklands”

Importantly, the UK Decolonization Committee (C-24) did not accept the referendum result on the island (to remain part of Britain) because it did not take account of the descendants of the indigenous population that had been evicted by the British. Which suggests we need to consider then the descendants of 3-4 million displaced Scots since British rule was imposed in Scotland.

@ captain yossarian 5.31pm can I ask when you first arrived in the uk as I am 72 years of age and have lived all my life in Scotland and have no recollection of those honest and decent Scottish Secretaries from the unionist parties you speak of, every last one of them was a Scots but who desperately wanted to be english, so much so that they even returned £1.5 billion pounds to the english treasury because they couldn’t find anything worthwhile to spend it on in Scotland

My family were all liebour voters who believed that labour represented the working class and maybe in the early years they actually did, but I can assure you speaking from lived experience of 72 years they BETRAYED the working class
sturgeon and her fellow depraved perverted deviants have wreaked havoc on Scotland’s governance for the last 9 years but that pales into insignificance when compared with the decades of labour corruption in Scotland and the ROUK and the destruction wrought on the whole of the uk by the greed driven amoral tory incompetents
It is the rose tinted all our yesterdays guff so beloved of the english working classes that allows these parasitical bastards to get away with muuurduur

Get Alex Salmond the phone. If he reads this. We need the Commonwealth Games to return to Glasgow.

We should step in and take the bid. It would help the national pride for an Independent Scotland.

Sturgeon of course only wanted Eurovision.

We need the commonwealth games to come back to Scotland. Let’s make it happen!

A summer of Independence as big Eck said. We need to promote our national identity to the world. Again!