Wings Over Scotland

It’s a hard choice. Oat cakes or independence? Hmmmmm….. Maybe that will be the fabled third option or second question?

in return the FM will give him another Bannock….”Burned” I hope.

‘FREE Nairn’s Oatcakes’, they deserve independence too. 😀

As a Nairnite, I feel duty-bound to state categorically that widespread rumours of the political oppression and persecution of our oatcakes are totally unfounded and the product of external elements attempting to contain and undermine our fine shire’s peaceful economic development. Oatcakes, along with all other grain-based citizens of Nairn, enjoy full freedoms of speech, expression, media and association in all places within the borders, from Ardclach to the sea!

It is admittedly true that a small number of oatcakes – duped by external forces intent on destabilising our domestic affairs – have unfortunately taken extreme measures on occasion in recent years. Unavoidably, this has led to the necessary introduction of certain measures, such as the controversy over digestion without trial. It is disgraceful that the legitimate and legal steps we have taken to counter this violent baked-goods extremism have been misconstrued as “persecution”. 

Seems to me that the Bitter Together campaign are running scared somewhat.

All we ever get from them is we are Bitter, I mean Better, Together without any examples of such. Now we have the Cameroon bar apparently bending over backwards to please A.S. just so long as he buries the “second question”. I wonder why, what on earth are the Bitter group terrified of? It couldn’t possibly be something to do with actually having to give more powers to Scotland if we voted for Devo whatever instead of Independence could it?

Well perhaps these little ditties below might answer a few questions as to the thought processes of the Bitter campaign, I know the Bitter group don’t do joined up thinking but hey I’m being kind to them for once. :LOL: 

link to express.co.uk 

 
link to scotsman.com 

Noow I don’t know about anyone else, but could this sudden eureka moment that the Cameroon bar has recently experienced have something to with the fact that the Bitter group are trying to slide these two stories out under the cover of a “good news” story? Surely not, Westminster doesn’t indulge in such underhand activities, do they?  😆 

My own reading of this, and I could be wrong is that Slab thought to use Cameron to be “bad cop” to their “good cop”…He would do all bullying and impose conditions from on high. But it seems he is unwilling to play this role, and Slab seems to have decided on being “Maniac Cop”.
Cameron doesn’t want to give AS everything he wants, but knows he can’t really stop the referendum either. He has played the hand he was dealt and seems willing to cash out at this stage and hand it over to the Scottish Parliament.

Salmond won’t do anything until his consultation comes out, so we’ll have to wait and see. Expect more insanity and silliness from Slab and their Slib-dem side kick in the coming weeks.

@Majorbloodnok If you take the Unionists at their word, we can’t be trusted to make our own oatcakes. We couldn’t be a player on the world stage, we couldn’t form our own foreign policy, we can’t afford an army or have “special forces”.
We would culturally bereft without the BBC, and functionally retarded without the common cultural bonds with the rest of the UK. England, our number one customer would strangely become our No 1 competitor. 80% of Scots are on the sick, the remainder work for the state and spend recycled tax income from England.
We don’t know how to run banks, businesses or fight wars. Indeed, England may be forced to bomb our airports and ports, our Borders would be as bad as the Northwestern Frontier…its pretty sorry state of affairs if you believe as they do.
But if we vote no to independence, they’ll maybe think about the possibility of considering on letting us have some Jam.

Then you wake up, and realise that they are talking out of their backsides. 😉

And another thing.  Are oatcakes cakes or biscuits?  Would have a bearing on the VAT situation, I shouldn’t wonder.

DougtheDug

I actually think that you’re giving the Unionists too much credit. They have shown themselves to be incapable of strategic thinking and their standard position has become automatic opposition to anything that Alex Salmond and the SNP says.
 
I think that they fixate on the second question as they genuinely believe that Salmond wants to use it as a safety valve in case Independence isn’t achieved. It is after all what they themselves would do. Their main desire is to disable Salmond (who they see as the independence movement) and return to normal politics. I think Salmond is their prize as they want to be seen as being more politically astute than him.
 
The fact that they’ve now walked into a trap is, perhaps, beginning to dawn on them, but they’re still incapable of playing the game. With all other issues out of the way and everyone fixating on the second question only Salmond can win (look how much he’s won by doing nothing) – he’d love to accommodate the electorate but the Unionists refuse to support their own policy. 20% of the electorate who don’t want the status quo then have to make a decision.
 
There’ll be one question and a result that even Willie Rennie can work out. He won’t like it though.

 DougtheDug
I don’t think I am underestimating the London politicians. Just look at them.
 
What would Alex Salmond gain by giving in on this point at this time? The Unionists have giving in, or have indicated that they’re prepared to give in, to every issue that they considered contentious. I think that they have been caught up in the Olympic hysteria and see this as a chance of inflicting a unrecoverable blow to the YES campaign. They want to be seen as reasonable people and to portray Salmond as being awkward, but the longer Salmond strings them along the more they will be in the media denouncing the choice of the majority, and their own supposed choice.
 
I don’t think that the Unionists own devolution or the second question. It’s a legitimate right of any people to improve their government and all this talk of devolution and independence being two separate journeys is a nonsense. Who owned devolution prior to 1997? The people of Scotland. If Unionists believe increased devolution to be an alternative to independence then they must give us concrete proposals before the referendum. We know that they won’t as London doesn’t want change. It doesn’t want any threat to its status.
 
If a group like civic Scotland managed to formulate a Devo Max proposal it could, if conditions were right, make its way onto the ballot paper, but I don’t think that the momentum is there for it to happen. I also don’t think it would be as easy as people believe for Westminster to ignore a Devo Max result, if the questions were laid out in a clear manner acceptable to the Electoral Commission. If they were to say NO or put it to a UK wide vote it would only result in another independence referendum but with one question, or a velvet divorce like Czechoslovakia.
 
I think that Salmond is astute enough to concede the second question at a time that will be more damaging to the Unionists. At the moment he’s just sitting by the river.