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Have a great 2020, readers. We’re still in the UK, for now.

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    1. Bugger le Panda says:

      Yea and never give up.

      Scotland needs necessary evils like you, more than ever.

      Guid new year to all and I hope to live and see Independence. clock of mine is speeding up.

    2. Ian Brotherhood says:

      HNY to all and sundry.


    3. Sharny Dubs says:

      HNY ya’ll

    4. Den Cairns says:

      Encouraging Words Rev. Happy New Year to All.

    5. mogabee says:

      Yeah so we are 😀

      Happy New year all you guys!

    6. Fionan says:

      Happy and successful New Year to Stuart and to all!

    7. Pete Barton says:

      Boris wants us all to be happy,and together I hear.

      We want the same, Boris.

      Just ever so slightly differently.

      Peace and love to all Wingers, and fellow Scots of most persuasions.

    8. Sarah says:

      Best New Year to all readers. Hope over fear.

      The picture above is a Manchester street scene, isn’t it? The New Year version here in the Highlands in the past is of people happily occupying a ditch for several days and none the worse for it. My father-in-law fell in a steep hillside burn – I’ve seen the spot and it is steep! He was a small man so how he got out I don’t know.

    9. Pete Barton says:

      @Abulhaq from the previous thread.

      Small difference between all those former colonies which gained their independence and Scotland..

      It’s important not to forget that losing any one of them didn’t mean the end of the UK.

      Losing Scotland means the end of the ‘UK’

      The consequences which flow from that are indigestible to our establishment.

    10. Lollysmum says:

      Happy New Year to one & all.

    11. Muscleguy says:

      And an Indeed Happy New Year from me.

      Hoping your twitter account will not be long in being rightfully returned as well. IF I had one I wold have stopped it in support of you.

    12. Capella says:

      I see Stu is not making any predictions about how quiet and uneventful 2020 is going to be.

      I hope the AUOB march in January is a success. I hope the aftermath of leaving the EU on 31st January lights up February with our determination to get out of the UK. I hope the Alex Salmond trial in March clears his name and reputation. I hope the Declaration of Arbroath celebrations in April are stupendous. I hope May to September is a happy campaign period for Indyref2. I hope that the referendum launches us as a free and independent nation.

      Hope over fear 🙂

    13. Dorothy Devine says:

      A Happy New Year to all who care for Scotland’s independent future.

    14. katherine hamilton says:

      Holy Crap Rev,
      I read that as you were leaving us! Don’t you f*****g dare. We need you now as never before. Ignore the naysayers. We’ve still got your back.
      To you and yours, Guid New Year, and I wish you all all that you wish yourselves.

    15. Ian McCubbin says:

      Have a great 2020 Stu, stick with us please. To many on independence movement you give confidence and facts

      All the best

    16. terence callachan says:

      Happy new year everyone.
      Scottish independence is coming.
      I don’t agree that SNP are happy to take these next few years and then be dumped for lack of action.
      You don’t do that job in Westminster or Holyrood for the fun of it.
      There’s no fun being SNP in either place listening to English MPs and List MPs that nobody has ever heard of and nobody voted for.

      Every successful cause requires a leader
      Wheel you choose a leader
      Get behind them and support them
      And most of all trust them
      There will always be dissenters within and outwith
      That’s life

      We shall prevail

    17. Col.Blimp IV says:

      This Brexit business has moved the goalposts somewhat, so it is important that the independence movement generally and the SNP in particular re-cut their cloth to suit.

      Westminster plan to seize powers over Scottish matters that were previously devolved to Brussels.

      If under EVEL matters pertaining to England are decided by MP’s who represent English constituencies – It would logically follow that a constitutional precedent has been set that SVSL should also apply.

      SNP MP’s should insist that it does and refuse to be fobbed off under any circumstances and make the decision about where these powers are to be repatriated to.

      Want a vote on Indyref2 – demand it goes on the agenda to be discussed by the representatives of the people of Scotland.

      If they refuse – it will be crystal clear that their Parliament is an English Nationalist front – possibly even to the courts.

    18. terence callachan says:

      This by Craig Murray I very much agree with

      SNAP…me too…I like this as my new year wish too

      Craig Murray

      My New Year Wishes – 1) Scottish Independence
      2) Freedom for Julian Assange
      3) A genuine, public inquest into the murder of Dawn Sturgess
      4) Recognition of the State of Palestine
      5) Genuine moves towards a paradigm shift in wealth distribution here

    19. John Thomson says:

      And voted on by only Scot MPs from Scotland just in case

    20. Simon Curran says:

      RE. Col Bimp IV
      Yes the goalposts have moved and we need to be aware of that.
      I have just read James Robertson’s ‘And the Land Lay Still’. His sweeping novel of post war Scotland is a useful reminder of the big picture. In my mind there is no doubt that the beginning of Boris Johnson’s premiership is going to be seen as a success. The headlines of this morning’s papers were full of ‘Roaring twenties’, ‘Britain sees in New Year on a wave of optimism’, ‘Our decade of Hope and Glory’ Brexit may or may not be a complete catastrophe but those who’ve backed it can’t afford for it not to look successful.
      The SNP and supporters of independence in general need to be aware that in the short term at least Boris Tory party is not going to be the part of austerity and all the hardship that people have had to put up with will be seen as a necessary price to pay so that we might enjoy a better future.
      That’s why we need to be aware of the big picture which is that for the last 300 odd years Scotland has suffered as a result of a union that was widely opposed even at the time. Both then and now there are some individuals who have prospered int that union and who have supported it but the country as a whole would have been far better off without it.
      Keep the big picture in mind and keep your eyes on the prize.

    21. twathater says:

      Stu “We’re still in the UK, for now.”

      Unf****ngfortunately for us

    22. velofello says:

      I expect that most reading this article and responses are aware of the Ten Commandments….Thou Shall not; Thou Shall not… principles, guidelines to living in a civilised society.

      And so, in principle, I do not want to live in a society that imprisons, for no wrongdoing, Julien Assange.

      Nor do I want a Prime Minister, who through his incompetence as Foreign Secretary, has caused a woman, a mother, to be imprisoned in Iran. And to Iranians who might read this, I believed that you as a nation were better than this treatment of the woman.Gain some leverage, release her.

      And so, in principle, i do not want to further witness the disrespectful treatment of our MPs at Westminster. Fight fire with fire. When the Tories walk out when the SNP are speaking, the SNP walk out. When Johnson looks at his phone when the SNP are speaking, walk out.

      The S30 request is a toy for Johnson to tease Scotland. I trust that Nicola has set a time limit on Johnson’s response.

    23. dakk says:

      Cheers,and all the best Stuart and all Wingers.

      This time next year I’d like to think we will have something genuinely worth celebrating.

    24. Tony Little says:

      Belated New Year greetings to all (I’m a daily reader but very occasional contributor)

      Hope we get what we want in 2020. If not now, when?

    25. dakk says:

      Rather than just another excuse for a booze up I forgot to say.

    26. Masslass says:

      Hello Wingers, All the best for 2020 to all of you, especially Stu

      i have lived in Massachusetts for 46 years and i now feel i live in Britain., The amount of British TV shows, Monarchy TV programs, is saturating our TV every night here in Massachusetts . Now today New years Day we have a parade in London filled with USA participation. Cannot help feel after over one year of this saturation of Britishness we are in trouble . I cannot turn my TV on without being bombarded with WW11 or British Monarchy and cooking shows. Sorry for the rant but it is getting to me and i have given up subscribing to PBS her in MA as I feel I’m subscibing to B

    27. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Masslass –

      HNY to you.

      Have to say, your comment there is one of the most intriguing I’ve seen appear btl here, ever.


    28. terence callachan says:

      Hello Massachusetts…

      I’m the same….bombarded with Britishness
      I live in Scotland
      Here in Scotland the people who think of themselves as British
      Do their best to cover up and hide anything that mentions Scotland or shows Scottish origin or identity
      It’s as if they are trying to erase the existence of everything Scottish

      Here in Scotland we know that whenever they mention british they mean English

      Sorry to hear you are being fed all that Britishness and royalty too
      We get it non stop on our tv as well

      England is obsessed with WWII and royalty

    29. terence callachan says:

      I’m looking forward to 11th January and attending the march AUOB Glasgow

    30. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Masslass @ 21:22,

      Hi. Not too sure how you got here, but here you are.

      As we see it, it’s a disillusioned remnant of the UK ruling class wanting to align themselves ever closer with the USA, but you have evidently sussed correctly that it is in fact the other way around. Now that they are free of the clinging overseers of the EU, those dastardly Brit imperialists are determined to get back their Empire and are starting with the very first colonies to quit. Get used to it, because soon the whole world map will be coloured pink again. “Rule Brittania…!”


    31. Stoker says:

      @ Masslass on 1 January, 2020 at 9:22 pm:

      You think you’ve got it bad? lol We in Scotland get all that 24/7 plus a whole lot more. Just prior to the end of 2019, out of sheer curiosity one night, i sat and scanned a weeks worth of TV listings for programmes etc that contained the word British or Brit or any version of Britain.

      I counted and noted 40 programmes, 2 of which used ‘UK’ instead. And whats-more, i know i didn’t get every single one. It’s all part of dissolving our Scottish existence and our history whilst trying to uphold the mythical image of a “superpower”. Either that or there’s a grotesque lack of imagination and talent within the entertainment industry over here. 🙂

      Here’s another example of the kind of crap we have to endure 24/7 – Today at 13:28 hrs the BBCNews24 channel did a special on the New Year fireworks displays from capital cities around the world. London’s was included on the list of 7 places they covered. For some reason Edinburgh, (Scotland’s capital), did not make it onto the list despite our world famous street party.

      Instead, at No7 on the list, what they showed was a clip of the traditional ‘Stonehaven Fireballs Ceremony’ from Scotland. They didn’t state what it was or where it took place, other than “and from Scotland” to a fit of childish giggling from the English presenter and the English weatherman. So all in all Masslass you’ve got it pretty good. 🙂

      Happy New Year to all of Scotland’s independence supporters wherever you bide. May you & your families experience nothing but joy, celebration and the very best of health & happiness for all of 2020. Take care, Troops!

    32. Dr Jim says:


      That’s English broadcasting with a Union flag stuck on it to fool the masses into thinking they’re the made up British nationality,
      Irish no more, Scottish no more, Welsh no more, yet English people can identify as both English and British, they own the titles
      and remember in Scotland we’re not allowed to have any broadcasting service of our own as that’s a Westminster *power* they refuse to devolve, and the excuse for not doing so? the SNP might use that power over broadcasting to do what Westminster does with it

      When a government has the power to remove a licence to broadcast they have the power to control what is broadcast and Scotland has had English broadcasting imposed on us since broadcasting first began

      North Korea’s got nothing on the UK of England government in the insidious rankings

    33. red sunset says:

      Ref @Masslass

      Happy New Year Masslass, wishing all good things for you in 2020.

      PBS (I think) likes to think of itself as a sort of BBC – putting out ‘quality’ programming. (Of course we know better, but that’s been the traditional world view of the BBC).
      I’ve noticed here too an awful lot of second world war stuff on PBS here, also even a lot of first world war stuff. They’ve been putting out a lot of very old black & white material which has been dubbed with colour. Some of it is quite interesting – it certainly gives a whole new feel for what the world was like a century ago. Not just the war action stuff but also a lot of home movies re-dubbed.
      Partially I think this is just commercialism. They’ve found a new way (colour) to tap into a niche market of old fogies who watch this stuff for nostalgia. Also sometimes there’s very little else on that’s not just ‘bread & circuses’ rubbish. There is a market there.
      Why should it be happening right now ? I’m certain it’s with the overall Brexit story of plucky little England that stood alone in her darkest hour and overcame the dastardly foreigners. The huge number of people in England who wanted Brexit include a very sizeable number of Brit Nats. Again that’s a market that’s ripe for selling into anything with Union Jacks.

      Let’s not forget the architect of Brexit was the populist politician. It’s easy to get a following if you appeal to the base instinct of some people against foreigners.

    34. Still Positive says:

      Happy New Year everyone. I wish you all that you wish for yourselves in 2020. Still hopeful we will have voted for independence this year.

    35. Famous15 says:

      Well that is Sky off the list. Lying lice.

      They think they can gaslight Scotland well all they have done is annoy me so much that I will show the McCrone report or at least the pertinent paragraphs to everyone I meet.

      Bugger them and their lying black holes. How could Scotland with so much resources not succeed. They have lied too often.

      Big enough,rich enough,savvy enough.

    36. Morgatron says:

      Happy New Year all out in wings land. Stu, have a topper and no doubt right now you will be sampling some crazy flavoured alcohol ? , but we need you back on the saddle for what I hope to be an important year on the road to independence. Fingers and everything else crossed.

    37. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. nostalgia for lost empire.

      Brexit is not only an expression of nostalgia for empire, it is also the fruit of empire

    38. bobajock says:

      The vision of 2020 … comes with WoS.

      Go Stu, you hit the nail so many times.

    39. Famous15 says:

      When considering all of the rights we are about to lose in this Brexit bash and looking at GRA I was forced to read my notes on Hohfeld,Diaz et al taken in lectures on jurisprudence given by-the late great Sir John McCormick and while regretting his early passing I was taken with the thought that Joanne Cherry might give some input’ I know she is busy and my ear was bent tonight by someone in her constituency singing her praises at solving a difficult battle with the Home Office.

    40. Chic McGregor says:

      Indyref 2 in 2020. I do NOT want to be making the wisecrack ‘Hindsight has 2020 vision’.

    41. John D says:

      Now XR extinction rebellion are saying all roads lead to Glasgow in 2020 .
      Hope to do a trip up for AUOB 11th January

    42. Les Wilson says:

      Just a wee heads up, watching some Youtube stuff, this popped up in adverts.

      The Butchers apron side by side with the stars and stripes.

      So be prepared for a media onslaught. The next state of the US Union is forming.

    43. Artyhetty says:

      Somehow new year seemed to have a black cloud over it, with little to cheer about. I have spent too many hours following what’s happening in Australia, it’s horrific, it’s even more horrific that their conservative religious nut of a PM is so unconcerned, ( it’s gods will?) that he went on holiday, denies climate change, continues to allow massive coal extraction in the country, and it’s all about $’s.

      Anyone not aware of the scale of devastation, the loss of flora and fauna, and the loss of human life, get on twitter to find out. It will affect the global weather system even more, and the worst is yet to come. The smoke is acrid, it’s literally choking people, and farmers having to shoot their cattle to save them from a slow painful death having been burned in the fires. I just cannot watch some of that, it’s absoluteky heartbreaking.

      Their PM should be arrested, the negligence and deliberate refusal to make any sort of pre-planning strategy,even after warnings of this months ago, is utterly criminal! The scientists know perfectly well the weather patterns have created a tinder box Australia, I was watching a couple of films on youtube about it all. For their government to have neglected to even plan and bring in outside help is actually quite evil. Makes you wonder if some folks are actually freaking human.

      I have close family in NSW, my twin lives their with her sons, so am keeping a close eye on what’s happening.

      New year just didn’t feel the same this year, to me anyway, but, wishing Stuart and everyone at WOS a very peaceful year ahead.

      Somehow, we have to keep the right wing nutters from the door, their destruction of the planet has to be stopped.

    44. Artyhetty says:


      Weird wind/weather patterns going on inthe atlantic just now, a stormy day for Scotland especially the western parts. If you want to see it, take a look at ‘earthwindmap’ online, by ‘nullschool’ it’s fascinating. Stay inside if you can, Scotland is still on holiday!

    45. jfngw says:

      Boris Johnson wants to ‘heal the division’, but there is no division in Scotland, every region voted remain. What he is saying is ‘shut up Scotland and get into line’, my reply is FOBOJO.

    46. Capella says:

      @ Artyhetty – thanks for that. Interesting.

    47. mike cassidy says:


      I’m not betting on the world settling down in 2020.

      Ex-Nissan honcho Carlos Ghosn fled Japan by hiding in musical instrument case

    48. Dan says:

      Wild wind on the east coast in the borders area too. Low level cloud appears to be racing past with the higher level cloud almost stationary.
      Maybe it’s just a sign of the quickening, now that the new year has begun and the end of January approaches, hopefully it’ll blow away some of the abundance of political tumbleweed Scotland has allowed to build up.
      UK or EU – There can be only one!

      Looks like some of our tumbleweed has landed in the US if the #tumblegeddon is anything to go by.

      I’m still in mild shock to learn that some Scots paid 12 quid to a UK company to have permission to jump in the sea at Queensferry yesterday.
      It would appear more like an act of civil subservience rather than civil disobedience.
      Mind you, I guess if one meekly accepts the moving of our maritime border, then one would accept paying the new owners to access that water.

    49. CameronB Brodie says:

      More on how Brexit is largely the result of the British establishment’s refusal to address Britain’s corrosive colonial past, which still shapes the social health of Britain today. It’s our colonial past thast is the source of Westminster’s racist paternalism, which Scotland appears to have acquired an unfortunate addiction to.

      (Mis)Rule Britannia: Brexit is the last gasp of empire

      Brexit represents the last gasp of the British empire, argue Sally Tomlinson (Goldsmiths, University of London) and Danny Dorling (University of Oxford). The men who have led it cannot accept that the colonial era, and the exploited wealth that came with it, is over.

    50. Abulhaq says:

      300+ years of British indoctrination and anglicization will take time to correct and eradicate.
      Independence is not just a political matter, it is also cultural and psychological. The virus of colonial dependency is tenacious.
      Whether that is within the capabilities of purely party political entities such as the SNP is an open question. Scotland may need alternative structures which while resolutely pro-independence ie liberation and renewal, may not find favour with the National party establishment which itself has rather too much of the ‘British’ about it.

    51. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the lingering social impact of colonialism. This is kind of my thing, so fill your boots peeps.

      Colonialism and Psychology of Culture


      There has long been a criticism that scholarship devoted to the study of cultural variation in psychology has too easily ascribed the observed differences between different societies to essentialized notions of ‘culture’ while paying less attention to historical forces that shape these differences.

      In this paper, we argue that the conceptual frameworks of cross-cultural and cultural psychology should allow for analysis of how major geopolitical events and historical processes bear on people’s lives. Specifically, we point to colonialism, a discussion that has been less attended to in psychology, and argue that colonialism and its legacies exert a powerful influence on many worldwide populations.

      Analysis of colonialism and its legacies necessarily calls for attention to its prominent ideological cornerstones: race and ‘culture’, which are also central concepts in psychology as a global discipline. In psychology, colonialism has primarily been engaged in two ways: the study of the colonial impact on individuals; and the consideration of the colonial impact on the discipline and practice of psychology in formerly colonized nation states.

      We review this engagement and introduce examples of scholarship from each. This paper challenges the field to pay greater attention to sociopolitical discourses and historical contexts and, in turn, to theorize culture in ways that are responsive to the fluidity and complexity of
      social lives.

    52. CameronB Brodie says:


      ….the dizzying rate of globalization and increased intercultural contact, psychology is working hard to keep pace. Some view the recent name change of the American Psychological Society to the Association of Psychological Science as a nod to the increased consciousness of psychology as an international project (Chiu, 2007).

      Psychology journals sponsored by the American Psychological Association with high-impact indexes (e.g., Journal of Personality and Social Psychology and American Psychologist) routinely publish conceptual and empirical articles that pay attention to cultural factors, and a number of other psychology journals have also published special issues devoted to culture and ethnicity (e.g., Child Development, Developmental Psychology, Journal of Community Psychology).

      However, scholarship devoted to the study of cultural variation in psychology has long been criticized for being simplistic, ahistorical, and decontextualized. More specifically, culturally focused research has been criticized for its tendency to ascribe observed group differences to East–West binaries (e.g., individualism–collectivism, Judeo-Christian versus Confucian, etc.).

      Moreover, there is little attention paid to the larger historical and contemporary contexts that shape – and reshape – the social lives of these so-called ‘traditional’ cultural variables such as Confucianism or collectivism. Paranjpe (2002, 35) characterized cross-cultural psychology publications as displaying ‘a distinct disdain for history’. Similarly, Gjerde and Onishi (2000, 216–217) charged that the culture and psychology approach suffers from ‘lack of attention to the historical and ideological sources of “culture” ’….

    53. Dan says:

      Erm and erm, chances of indyref this year looking slim / shady…

    54. Republicofscotland says:

      They say it comes in three’s, first we had the passing of Colin Weir, then Alasdair Gray, now the Growth Commission architect Andrew Hughs Hallet has also passed away.

      We’ll miss them all.

    55. Republicofscotland says:

      Nice bit of headling by the unionist Herald.

      “Sturgeon MP admits chance of Indyref2 this year is probably ‘nil’”

      Anyone not fully aware would think that Sturgeon said the above herself. We also must remember what the Rev said about headlines that include words such as probably, could, should etc.

    56. CameronB Brodie says:

      From the perspective of cultural psychology, Brexit indicates Britain’s culture is being focused towards regaining a cultural prestige steeped in racism and the exploitation of others, and their resources. This isn’t a radical or minority view.

      One Big Thing: Britain, Its Empire, and Their Imperial Culture

    57. admiral says:

      Dan says:
      2 January, 2020 at 10:49 am
      Erm and erm, chances of indyref this year looking slim / shady…

      People should remember that these Yoon so-called newspapers are more interested in manufacturing news stories than reporting them.

    58. Capella says:

      Yes that Herald article is yet another “exclusive” written by Tom Gordon and quoting Kenny MacAskill. I rest my case.

    59. CameronB Brodie says:

      And a smidgen more for those who take the “Scottish cringe” seriously.

      The British Empire, Domesticated, Mediated, and Recreated

      In the introductory essay to British Culture and the End of Empire (2001), Stuart Ward contests what he calls the “minimal impact” thesis, the argument that Britain’s imperial experience made little or no impression on British society and culture. According to Ward, the “minimal impact” thesis has been applied mainly to the period of decolonization. He contrasts this to scholarship on the nineteenth century where “the vast body of work on empire and metropolitan culture has collectively shown [that] an imperial outlook had been an integral feature of British public life.”

      Angela Woollacott pronounces a similar judgment on the state of the field in To Try Her Fortune in London: Australian Women, Colonialism, and Modernity, also published in 2001. “It is now well established” she writes, “that colonialism has been an interconstitutive process that shaped British society and culture.”[1]

    60. callmedave says:

      Jings! In irrelevent other news darn Sarf.

      Sir Keir Starmer (he doesn’t use the ‘sir’) well ahead in the Labour leadership preference poll with Rebecca Long-Bailey (Corbynite) well behind.

    61. CameronB Brodie says:

      And one for those who are really, really serious about addressing the “Scottish cringe”.

      Postcolonial and media studies: a cognitive map

    62. Colin Alexander says:

      My unsent letter to my MP:

      “…Whilst the Referendums Bill awaits Royal Assent and the FM awaits a response from the Prime Minister of the UK regarding a s30, which may never be issued, I would like to suggest that there is little to no point in you and the other SNP MPs continuing to attend the UK Parliament, where you are second-class EVEL MPs, in a parliament dominated, as it’s ALWAYS been designed to be, by MPs who have little or no regard for Scotland.

      However, being realistic, even if it is possible and constitutionally legal and lawful, I have no expectation that any of the suggestions below will happen. I have no expectation that Scottish sovereignty will be exercised or asserted by Scotland’s political representatives.

      It is disappointing that it appears the SNP leadership have decided Scotland’s place in the Union is total subjection, in colonial subservience to the power of the unelected Crown in the GB & NI Parliament, despite Scotland being a sovereign nation in, what we were assured, was a union of equals.

      But, these are my suggestions:

      1. The SNP MPs withdraw from UK Parliament and invite all Scotland’s MPs to withdraw with them.

      2. The Parliament of Scotland was only adjourned, never dissolved by Scotland’s parliamentarians. It was announced dissolved by Royal Proclamation of Queen Anne. I believe this was the legal equivalent of Boris Johnson’s prorogation of UK Parliament via The Queen without parliament’s approval. In other words the dissolution of the Parliament of Scotland was not according to Scots Law. Eg. Claim of Right, the Crown usurping parliament and the laws and traditions of the people of Scotland.

      3. Those MPs form a quorum and declare the Parliament of Scotland in session. (The real parliament exercising Scotland’s sovereignty, not a devolution/colonial parliament such as Holyrood).

      4. Those MPs vote that Scotland stays in the EU so they veto Scotland’s EU Scexit as part of the UK.

      5. The Parliament of Scotland seeks Royal Assent as an emergency measure and notifies the EU of the constitutional issue that there is an issue regarding consent for withdrawal from the EU as the people of Scotland are sovereign within the UK union and have exercised their sovereignty to reject EU Scexit / Brexit under the current terms.

      6. The Parliament of Scotland, exercising / representing that sovereignty has no need to seek subservient s30 legislation. A parliament exercising sovereignty and the democratic mandate can order a Scottish indyref, instead of asking permission for a UK state indyref.

      7. The MPs have the democratic mandate to block Brexit. They have the mandate for indyref. The Parliament of Scotland ( that can exercise Scotland’s political sovereignty) is already in existence, and merely in adjournment.

      8. Thus, there is no declaration of independence – yet. No attempt to completely dissolve the Union, until the democratic mandate is clearly established. Scotland would simply be exercising her constitutional rights according in Scots Law and those MPs would be exercising the established democratic mandate already given to them by the sovereign people of Scotland.

    63. CameronB Brodie says:

      From the general to the specific. I don’t know about anyone else, but Brexit kind of destroys my self-conception as being a rights-bearing citizen of a unitary state, which is bound by constitutional law and that respects the moral law foundations of the British constitution. That’s kind of terrifying. No?

      The identity of Brexit: A cultural psychology analysis

    64. Republicofscotland says:

      Here’s an idea, why don’t we (everyone on Wings and those who support Scottish independence) write a letter politely asking the PM Boris Johnson for a S30.

      The letters should be sent to say a AUOB address or a grassroots movement address. From there they should be picked and delivered (hopefully in many sacks) to the door of 10 Downing st, by an array of Scottish bodies, with a rep for each, such SNP Greens, Grassroots movement, Women for Indy, English folk in Scotland for Indy, AUOB etc.

      Independence reps would be there outside Number 10 filming it all as the sacks were delivered to Boris. The unionist media might even show it as well.

      Back home in Scotland we could upload it onto social media, create leaflets, and have discussions about it. Surely that would put added pressure onto Johnson, to physically see hundreds of thousands if not millions of letters demanding a S30.

      Just a thought.

    65. Effijy says:

      Starmer will be the next Labour leader.
      He isn’t much of a talent or has any charisma
      But Labour has no talent.

      Time for that Dick Leonard to move on too but
      What have the got to replace him?
      Anwar has money behind him so many be he will finally be given
      One of those 18 month slots in charge until the Holyrood elections?

      It will be at least 10 years until Labour has the slightest chance
      Of moving up the polls to any degree of significance.

      Tory controlled Scotland can look forward to having basic powers removed,
      Terrible Trump Trade deals, sold off NHS, 7% reduction in workers standard of living,
      Growth in Zero Hours jobs, lost jobs, no investment, retirement at 75 and removal of workers rights
      And welfare entitlement.

      The filthy rich will become stinking rich and the big corporations can forget about tax payments.

    66. Masslass says:

      Ian Brotherhood 1 Jan 10.08pm

      Thank you, for your kind remarks. I have been reading Wings for years now, although don’t post much at all. Grammar being the worst subject for me in school way back when, so hesitate posting.

      The BBC TV programs seem to have been stepped up this past year, to even having a “British Night” every Tuesday night dedicated to British programs.

      Three times a day EVERY day we have the Great British Cooking Show, which seems to concentrate on French, German, Dutch Scandinavian pastries , but insist on calling it the GREAT BRITISH COOKING SHOW which I find hilarious.

    67. CameronB Brodie says:

      Britain as most British nationalists like to imagine it, is truly a figment of the imagination and a product of wishful thinking. I might have mentioned that euroskepticism is now a structural characteristic of English/British nationalism. Most euroskeptics appear to think the union a price worth paying to achieve self-determination. I couldn’t agree more. 🙂

      Future of England Survey reveals public attitudes towards Brexit and the union

      Deep divides fuelled by the Brexit debate have been laid bare in new research from Cardiff University and the University of Edinburgh.

      ….Further results reveal possible consequences to the union. In 2017, the research team was among the first to show that a majority of Leavers in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland regarded the unravelling of the Northern Ireland peace process and a second Scottish independence referendum with a Yes vote as a ‘price worth paying’ for Brexit.

    68. Capella says:

      Keir Starmer is a good speaker. He comes across as intelligent and measured. After a couple of years of Boris Johnston, intelligent and measured may sound like a haven – in England.

    69. Clydebuilt says:

      Cameron B. Brodie @10.14am

      “The men who have led it cannot accept that the colonial era, and the exploited wealth that came with it, is over”

      These men are looking to the profits they’ll make from the down fall of the UK economy. They intend to make further profits for decades to come by exploiting the impoverished British workforce no longer safeguarded by EU health and saftey regs.
      The idiots (and their offspring ) who voted for Brexit are going to enrich their leaders.

    70. jfngw says:

      A contract is considered unfair:

      ‘A standard term is unfair ‘if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights and obligations arising under the contract.’

      Obviously the Treaty of Union is excluded from this scrutiny, after all we now have one of the countries denying the democratic right of the other.

    71. Masslass says:

      Terence Callachan, Robert J Sutherland, Stoker, Dr.Jim, Red Sunset
      10.59pm – 11.35pmt

      Thank you all for your posts, and A Very Happy New Year to you all.

      Forgot to add to the above post, the state of Rhode Island just below MA seems to be in competition to see how many BBC programs they can fit into a day.

    72. CameronB Brodie says:

      Apart from disrupting the peace process, obvs.

    73. I support the SNP but I am at a loss to understand why they do not sue the media for all the lies they tell about them I still can’t understand why N S ., did not sue Carmichael for the lies he told about her and the French ambassador??? The way the SNP react is like an open goal for the media no comeback as I have said before to do nothing is in a sense to condone what the media is doing for goodness sake start fighting back PLEASE

    74. msean says:

      Happy New Year to all.

    75. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry about the “being serious” crack earlier on. Of course you don’t have to be an egg-head to be serious about supporting justice and democracy. Or for your actions to have an effect. Evolutionary psychology suggest cherishing liberty is a feature of the human condition. I don’t know what that says about those who will not defend their human rights from a British state that chooses not to acknowledge their sovereign legal personalities.

    76. Masslass says:

      Sarah 6.22pm 1 Jan

      “People happily occupying a ditch for several days”

      Best laugh I’ve had in a long while.Just can’t stop laughing imagining this. Happy New year to you too

    77. Giving Goose says:

      Can I remind everyone to refer to Unionists as British Nationalists in all discourse.

      I use it as a pejorative.

      I also make the distinction that Yes/Independence supporters are Scots/Scottish.

    78. Dr Jim says:

      We will have our family of Nations who will live in peace as friends, but before that we must conquer the Barbarians in the North then Rome will finally have achieved it’s Empire

      Marcus Aurelius Caesar

      The fall of the Roman Empire began shortly after

      Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact, everything we see is a perspective, not the truth, M.A.Caesar

      Rome had a good run, Nazi Germany a shorter existence, is it time for the Britglish Empire to fall, do the Scottish Barbarians hold the key, and will we use it

      Hope so!

    79. CameronB Brodie says:

      I do actually know what that says about those who’s rational capacity is crippled by the cringe, but I’m saving that for another day. 🙂

    80. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Clydebuilt says

      “… by exploiting the impoverished British workforce no longer safeguarded by EU health and saftey regs.”

      We do the imoverished British workforce no favours by perpetuating remainiac myth that the EU is the later day equivalent of “The friend we have in Jesus”.

      The working poor(especially in England) are painfully aware that for the most part, the lower end of the workforce in the agriculture, manufacturing, service and construction industries is dominated by eastern European workers.

      And the non-workshy or those trapped by thatchers benefits system which shifted the emphasis from a being a crutch for those who found themselves between jobs, to a rickety wheelchair for those who have given up trying to find a job that comes close to making them as much as a net £1 an hour better off than they would be on the dole.

      Find themselves forced to seek employment through agencies – and having to sign a form which opts them out of the European Working Time Directive, and that the “Holiday Pay” “guaranteed” to them by the EU, comes in the form of agreeing to have it docked from their weekly wage, they also find out that they have to pay to have a third parasitical organisation receive their wages from the agency and pass it on to the worker, minus a handling fee and that they have the option of paying the employers national insurance contribution if they want to appear like a PAYE employee or going for full blown bogus self-employment in order to recoup the shortfall by bigging-up “expences” so that the taxman can pay for the parasites.

      In short if you think the EU was anxious to save us from the nasty Global Capitalists you are woefully mistaken – That was and is a job for the representatives of the Scottish Workers.

      It is high time that the SNP applied for that Job – because I can’t see any other applicants on the horizon.

    81. Col.Blimp IV says:

      I could have added – “That don’t have Jackboots and union Jack armbands”.

    82. Effijy says:

      Did you see on the English News today that the number of people
      Requiring NHS England medical assistance for eating disorders
      Has doubled since the Tories came in to power.

      How BBC Scotland must wish a major story of that magnitude could replace
      The 2 year old story about pigeons accessing a hospital vent in Scotland.

      You won’t ever hear that English Major crisis story ever again.

      Labour supporting rail union official outraged at train fare rises in Scotland?
      Many Scottish fares are subsidised by Holyrood and our fares are much lower in England’s
      But it seems. SNP are bad again.

      Vote for a Westminster Party and make everything worse!

    83. CameronB Brodie says:

      The EU is certainly not perfect, but there is a plurality of national interests represented in the legislature and character of public policy. Not so much in UKOK plc.


      Brexit and Labour Rights: Challenges and Perspectives
      Workshop Report

    84. Dr Jim says:

      Mr McCawber economics from the Tories, £5 per week extra income for all, £6 per week cost of living increase, result, misery and decline

      Time for Mr Dickens to write another book

    85. Dan says:

      I see 2020 is continuing with the words no longer mean anything theme.

      Greggs are now producing a Vegan Steak Bake.

      Steak Quorn

      *Gravy : Definition – Savoury sauce made with meat juices…

      Yep, that sounds vegan as fuck.

    86. Col.Blimp IV says:

      CameronB Brodie

      I was beginning to suspect that The Rev had suspended your link posting privileges

    87. Col.Blimp IV says:


      I have in front of me, a bottle of “organic”, “Vegan” wine ??

      Forcing me to ponder … does regular wine contain animal derivatives?

      And what fiend decided that the living organism “yeast” is unworthy of the protection from exploitation afforded to other life-forms … have these monsters learned nothing from 50 years of Star Trek?

    88. CameronB Brodie says:

      Col.Blimp IV
      I think I’ve come close more than once. 😉

    89. Capella says:

      @ Col Blimp IV – wine is clarified using isinglass a gelatin which is derived from fish. Sometimes they use casein, a milk protein.

      Organic vegan wine will have neither of these ingredients.

    90. red sunset says:

      @Col.Blimp IV 4.15

      Ref vegan wine.
      I noticed a couple of weeks ago the ingredient “milk” listed on a bottle of white wine.
      Can’t remember right now what brand, but was certainly quite taken aback.

    91. Capella says:

      @ red sunset – they will be referring to casein, a milk protein. Since a young girl died on a flight to France after eating a Pret a Manger sandwich full of unlisted sesame seeds, food labelling has been tightened up. People allergic to milk need to know if there is casein there.

      There is a very moving radio 4 programme interviewing the father of the girl. Probably available as a podcast.

    92. Capella says:

      A Bright Yellow Light – 37 mins – Radio interview of Nadim Ednan-Laperouse on the death of his daughter Natasha from an allergic reaction :

    93. red sunset says:

      Cheers Capella, you learn something new every day 🙂

    94. Dr Jim says:

      Are we discovering more allergies or are we becoming weaker thus more susceptible to the same allergens we always had, if it’s the second then we’re in trouble

    95. Capella says:

      @ Dr Jim – probably very few of us ever ate a sesame seed 30 years ago. Those who did maybe died of unknown causes.

      Milk allergy is quite common. I have read that Chinese people don’t have the enzyme to digest milk. We have persisted eating it for so long most people don’t react noticeably. But whether it’s the lactose or casein that upsets people – I don’t know.

      Wheat now has such a different genetic makeup that it is a completely different food to more primitive grains. Modern humans can struggle to digest it and especially its protein, gluten.

      One theory is that we have so worn down our system with toxins that the gut can’t deal with foreign proteins which then get into the blood stream and the body reacts to get rid of this invader.

      But there is certainly an epidemic of allergies nowadays.

    96. Dan says:

      Eggs can be used in wine making too apparently.
      After this wee Wings science class how many vegans are now gonna have to change their wine choices.

    97. Capella says:

      @ Dan – I’m vegan and I won’t drink wine with casein or isinglass in it. And I used to make it. That’s more to do with animal welfare. I hardly ever drink alcohol now anyway.

    98. CameronB Brodie says:

      You can’t get much cross-over than this, IMHO. The British constitution views Scotland as being different but legally equal to England. Westminster acts as if Scotland is the same but legally inferior to England. International law currently views biological women as being different but legally equal to biological men. Enforsing gender ideology in law transforms this relationship, to one where biological women are considered the same but inferior to biological men. Reason appears to have left contemporary Britain, so here’s some insight in to how the law can reconnect with its roots. A bit of Critical Rationalism.

      how the law might be made more rigorous
      as a system of analysis and discovery.

    99. Fireproofjim says:

      Re Allergies.
      The main reason for the increase in allergies these days is the obsession with ultra-cleanliness.
      Every day you see advertisements for products which kill 99% of all known germs. Many of the bacteria thus wiped out are beneficial to our wellbeing.
      Also it is very important that children’s immune systems are exposed to a good mix of bacteria when very young so that their system learns to fight the harmful bugs.
      Ideally small children should get dirty and play with dogs and cats. A little dirt never hurt anyone.
      And that’s also a good excuse to put off the dusting when there’s football on TV.

    100. Capella says:

      @ Fireproofjim – I agree that we tend to kill off good bacteria. But where we need good bacteria is in the gut. We don’t drink water from wells and streams now and the stuff that comes out of the tap is dosed with chlorine. But public water supplies have to be free of germs otherwise we would have epidemics of typhoid, cholera and hepatitis.

      Now we have epidemics of allergies.

    101. Stoker says:

      admiral says @ Dan on 2 January, 2020 at 11:16 am:

      “People should remember that these Yoon so-called newspapers are more interested in manufacturing news stories than reporting them.”

      But yet you, and other so-called indy supporters, still go out of your ways to post direct links to their websites, blogs, articles and/or social media accounts etc. Why? It can always be avoided, there’s absolutely never any justifiable reason for it.

      And the vast majority of them on here who do it know exactly by doing so they are helping our No1 block to independence (the BritNat “media”) to pull in much needed clicks, advertising finances and potential new readers etc.

      But as i’ve said often, readers of WOS who never post btl on here can see exactly what’s going on and who the regular names are involved. Most of the long-termers also know what’s going on and that every name you see doing it isn’t necessarily a different person.

      EG: There is at least 4 accounts that belonged to a certain individual who seems to spend its life frequenting the lower btl bowels of those BritNat rags which achieves absolutely nothing but help to put food on the tables of those who would crap and piss all over Scotland. Thank goodness The Rev binned at least one of those accounts just recently.

      These are folk who attempt to dominate the btl threads then bore the shit out of everyone else with how knowledgeable and correct they always think they are. In their own minds at least anyway. Thank goodness there are far more savvy indy supporters than there is cretinous indy impostors.

      BritNat BUM (British Unionist Media) rags have been dying on their feet for some time now thanks mainly to the likes of WOS educating us all on how they operate to manipulate and deceive their audiences.

      Their modern online replacements are in a daily battle with each other to gain a foothold in and dominate that particular market place and they’re being helped by so-called independence supporters who post those direct links.

      The modern online BritNat propaganda platforms are all about the clicks. Their very survival depends on it and they will never stop getting in the way of Scotland taking back our right of self-determination. So what true indy supporter, in their right mind, would want to help them to destroy us?

    102. You could not make it up Sir Keir Starmers standing to be the new leader of the Labour Party I mean a Sir to represent the working class that he deserted to become a Sir ??? Him and his ilk do not belong in the Labour Party and never have done Macconnell Hilary Benn Kinock etc., J Corbyn was a threat to them so with the help of the media they are getting rid of him and the real working class will not be represented again just ignored as usual the things labour do amaze me I mean puting an Englishman in charge in Scotland it’s like a death wish Momentom should clear out all these charlatans and get the real working class in charge for a change

    103. Dan says:


      I’ve mentioned I grow most of my veg now. I brought my homegrown tatties, parsnips, carrots, onions, beetroot and chutneys with me whilst I’m visiting the family over crimbo season and we’ve been consuming them.
      I spread some dung on my veg beds before I left to visit family, and I collected seaweed a couple of days ago after a beach plastic cleaning session, and that seaweed will add more minerals to the soil.
      Also try to catch my own fish and animals when I have time, as animal treatment and welfare does also concern me.
      When I chap a fish on the napper to feed myself, I take the moment to acknowledge the life I am ending, but know I am eating a locally sourced and sustainable food source with no packaging, no diesel transportation, no refrigeration, no profit for big corporates.

      The allergy stuff interests me as I’ve been fortunate enough nearly all my life to be very robust, but the last year has seen something up and currently going through a load of tests with out wonderful Scottish NHS to see if we can find the issue. Basically feels like my body is under constant load with a load of symptoms I’ve never suffered from before.

    104. TJenny says:

      ‘The reason that all wines are not vegan or even vegetarian-friendly has to do with how the wine is clarified and a process called ‘fining:

      Popular animal-derived fining agents used in the production of wine include blood and bone marrow, casein (milk protein), chitin (fiber from crustacean shells), egg albumen (derived from egg whites), fish oil, gelatin (protein from boiling animal parts), and isinglass (gelatin from fish bladder membranes)’.


    105. Capella says:

      @ Dan – the best things you can eat are your own home grown veg and fruit. Organic. The NHS does its best but I think they are challenged when it comes to identifying allergies unless it’s very obvious. Cutting out toxins and eating a whole food plant based diet (with some well sourced fish and meat if you like them) is the best we can all do.

      Good luck in tracking down the cause of any problems. Youtube is a great source of info on these issues (and also rubbish too it has to be said).

    106. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Dan.

      RE: mineralisation of soil.

      You may find this web site an interesting exploration. It is no longer in existence on the web but was captured by the Internet Archive.

      That’s my sister and by late brother-in-law you will see in the first pic. The navigation of the site can be a tad frustrating; eg, there are 6 links at the top of the home page but other links appear on different pages, not featured on the home page.

      A re-jigged version of the site was captured in August last year, before it demised.

    107. Breeks says:

      Stoker says:
      2 January, 2020 at 5:39 pm
      admiral says @ Dan on 2 January, 2020 at 11:16 am:

      “People should remember that these Yoon so-called newspapers are more interested in manufacturing news stories than reporting them.”…

      It’s not just what they say, but what they omit.

      The media was tripping over itself to ask SNP politicians about what they’d do when Boris Johnson refuses to agree a Section 30, because the wanted footage of our resigned subservience. But back when Ian Blackford asserts Scotland will not be removed from Europe against it’s will, where are all the questions about “how are you going to do it Mr Blackford?” “What powers will you use to keep Scotland in Europe?”

      Strange how the media’s curiosity falters whenever Scotland might have the upper hand.

      We don’t have a Scottish Broadcasting media. We have propagandists trying to indoctrinate our thinking. They are as much an enemy of Scotland as an occupying army who might raise arms against us.

    108. Gary45% says:

      I’ve missed your post regarding health issues.
      I posted this a while back for another winger who was having issues.
      Have a look at a book called “Eat Right 4 Your Type”, its a fantastic book which steers you in the direction of what foods are bad and what are good for you depending on your blood group.
      Randy Mamola the ex motorcycle GP rider got me and my wife into it in 2001.
      We tried it, “to prove it wouldn’t work”, but when we got right into it,the results were amazing. We have since started to eat some of the bad things, but know how it will effect us.

      E.G, Blood group A, don’t eat bananas,or drink orange juice they cause indigestion, also potatoes are out, cow dairy, anything with lactose. (I suffered for years thinking I was eating “healthy foods” like that.
      Other blood groups are different.
      Get the book on EBay.
      Also not to cause alarm, pending on where you are in Scotland, stop drinking the tap water, a mate in the Aviemore area has had issues regarding the water supply, up where we live you can smell chlorine first thing in the morning.(It never used to be like that)

    109. Sarah says:

      @Masslass at 2.17. Glad that my tale is giving you a laugh – much-needed by all of us, I have to say.

      Your TV horrors – Great British this, Great British that – is what we have been complaining about for years. It is a great shame that it is being inflicted on innocents abroad as well. I feel I should apologise! I don’t watch any TV now as we cancelled our licence and find we don’t miss it at all.

    110. Fionan says:

      On the allergies topic, I suffered dreadful IBS for years, sometimes used to pass out with the pain. For completely different reasons, I became vegan just over two years ago, cutting out meat first, then a month later dairy. As soon as I cut out dairy, the IBS stopped. Just like that! Within a year, my diabetic blood measurements had returned to normal non-diabetic levels.

      From all the research I have done over the years, I think allergies are multi-factorial – the ultra-cleanliness which prevents our immune system from building it’s ‘library’ of allergens, the presence of many unnatural chemicals ( by which I mean they aren’t present in our immediate environment in reactive states normally but have been released by human industrial activity)and the consumption of unnaturally high levels of animal derivatives and secretions. Asians have a high rate of lactose intolerance for instance. And I suspect so do many western peoples hence the development of ‘syndrome’ disorders such as IBS. In countries where dairy consumption is high, the rates of auto-immune disease such as Rheumatoid Arthritis are correspondingly high – milk is pro-inflammatory in the human body, and the calcium in milk which we are told is good for health, is actually in a form which we find hard to absorb and utilise in our bodies. Osteoporosis, therefore is actually higher in populations where dairy consumption is higher.

      When I was doing my pharmacology/toxicology degree in the early 90s, it was already known that meat, especially cooked meat, is carcinogenic as well as being contributory to cardiovascular disease. I cant help wondering why this fact is only now becoming known publically. Lobbyists for the meat/dairy industries? And there is still very little discussion of the high levels of toxic heavy metals such as lead in fish, tuna being one of the worst affected, at least in studies from several years ago.

      The WHO now recommend a vegan diet for health. Some of the champion weightlifters and athletes in the world are vegan and so are the largest animals like elephants and gorillas.They obtain their protein almost exclusively from plants.

      And for any vegans out there who enjoy their wines but find it difficult to source vegan wines, the coop lists theirs, and the wine club Laithwaites has recently brought out some vegan wines.

    111. Breeks says:

      Holy shit. Estimated 480 million animals dead in Australia’s bush fires. Let that number sink in….

      I wonder if they’re still going ahead with their 460 sq Km coal mine in Queensland which they approved in September.

      Scotland’s oil should stay in the ground, and we’ll finance our future with a capital fund derived from renewables.

    112. Pete Barton says:

      Very informative, people!

      Will look your links up.

      @Breeks, your comments are spot on.

    113. Fionan says:

      Breeks @6.55pm

      I agree, the situation in Australia is horrific, and made so much worse by the refusal of their Premier to even acknowledge the seriousness of the situation which, given the number of people dying as the fires rage, is criminal. It is so tragic that even the iconic little koala is facing extinction due to these fires. So many brave and valiant people trying to save humans and animals alike, without any reward or thanks even from the Aussi government, and they wont admit that this sort of situation is going to arise over and over and more frequently as climate change reaches the point of no return, in around eight years according to some experts.

      And I am now fearing that we still wont have our indy or even indyref2, by the time the extinction events hit us.

    114. Davie Oga says:

      “Scotland’s oil should stay in the ground”

      That would be a radical policy shift, but attainable over a period of weaning. Start with no oil exports and reduce domestic consumption. Scotland needs to create “Stat”electric.

    115. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Kinda O/T but an interesting article in The Guardian, concerning Gaelic, Scots, Doric and so on.

      And on the same language subject, a couple of articles in The Tully… I haven’t archived the first one because the video wouldn’t archive.

    116. terence callachan says:

      CameronB Brodie

      I read your link about “ the Scottish cringe “ effects of colonialism Sheffield Uni

      Very interesting
      Something I’ve thought about often in the past so it’s nice to read that someone else noticed it too because many people think it’s there but then give themselves a shake and say no it’s not possible
      Is it ??
      Then proceed happily in the thought that it isn’t a creation.

      When I arrived back in Dundee forty nearly fifty years ago having lived overseas and in England and NI
      I was a novelty
      Because of my English accent
      Schooled in English schools in England and overseas
      There really were so so few English spoken people living in Scotland back then

      The number is significant now
      Census is once a decade
      I think the number has grown more quickly this last decade because more people have had money from the sale of a house this last decade than years previous and have used it to buy in Scotland at a lower price for the same or better house with money to spare and perhaps support an earlier retirement than would have been possible in England

    117. Andrew (Andy) Crow says:

      U fuckin’ K.

      Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

    118. mike cassidy says:


      We don’t need no stinking Section30.

    119. Capella says:

      @ BDTT – I saw some articles on Duolingo’s free Gaelic classes and the amazing response. I tried downloading the app to my phone but it hasn’t appeared so will have another go.

      I also read that children in Glasgow being taught in Scots did much better in school. Makes sense really.

    120. CameronB Brodie says:

      terence callachan
      Crack on there. All the best for the new year, but please stop looking to impose voting restrictions on constitutional matters, that are out of step with other European states, for example. 😉

      Academia considered the post-colonial, an ethical perspective from which to view culture and society. Post-colonial feminism in particular. Or at least that was the case a quarter of a century ago, and is probably still the case. The post-colonial follows a gender-critical approach, as biological women tend to disappear from sight and consideration otherwise.

      Introducing Postcolonialism in International Relations Theory

      Postcolonialism examines how societies, governments and peoples in the formerly colonised regions of the world experience international relations. The use of ‘post’ by postcolonial scholars by no means suggests that the effects or impacts of colonial rule are now long gone. Rather, it highlights the impact that colonial and imperial histories still have in shaping a colonial way of thinking about the world and how Western forms of knowledge and power marginalise the non-Western world.

      Postcolonialism is not only interested in understanding the world as it is, but also as it ought to be. It is concerned with the disparities in global power and wealth accumulation and why some states and groups exercise so much power over others. By raising issues such as this, postcolonialism asks different questions to the other theories of IR and allows for not just alternative readings of history but also alternative perspectives on contemporary events and issues.

    121. mike cassidy says:


      But what else were you gonna call it?

    122. mike cassidy says:


      So that’s how Brigadoon is such an accurate representation of Scotland!

    123. Dan says:

      Cheers for the responses.
      I’ll chase up a few things when I get a chance. That there could be the issue for so many folk. How many people actually have the time spare in their busy lives to even begin to look into and understand the implications of what we ingest.


      Aye, further developments of renewable power technology is something we really need to get on with. Scotland has phenomenal potential. I used to work with ROVs, had a chat a couple of days back with someone currently in the industry and their recent work had them busy with the installation of offshore wind turbines.
      Not sure what is happening with Meygen and their tidal power project on the Pentland Firth. Recall there may have been a hold on further development due to UK / EU situation.

      Noticed this tweet the other day from John Robertson who has the the excellent Talking Up Scotland site, which is well worth bookmarking.

      My concern is it may still be the huge energy corporates that will effectively dominate the industry with their profit driven narrative, which means even though the energy is “green”, it may still leave many on lower incomes struggling with fuel poverty.

    124. terence callachan says:

      What s when you are colonised ….yes we know …that’s what they’ve done to scotland

      On the other hand in his portrait of the colonized Memmi touches on three areas: ‘Mythical portrait of the colonized’, ‘Situations of the colonized’ and ‘The two answers of the colonized’. In the first he argues that a mythical portrait is constructed on a dialectic of good and bad, where the good always generates from the colonizer and the bad from the colonized. Nothing the colonized can do can alter this myth, for example, Arab hospitality which can hardly be seen in a negative light, is turned on its head by the colonizer; it comes to be seen as ‘the colonized’s irresponsibility and extravagance, since he has no notion of foresight or economy’

    125. terence callachan says:

      We recognise this too….this is how england Scotland

      Similarly in the second account of the ‘Situations of the colonized’, the colo- nized is dispossessed of everything, from history to citizenship and even language. Finally in the ‘The two answers of the colonized’ Memmi envisages what options are left to the colonized: either assimilation or revolt; both carries a high price as the first meets with the colonizer’s rejection. The colo- nizer is not capable of incorporating the Other, as the incorporation of the Other would entail its own destruction:
      To say that the colonizer could or should accept assimilation and, hence, the colonized’s emancipation, means to topple the colonial relationship…In other words the end of the colony as a colony, and the end of the mother country as the mother country. To put it bluntly the colonizer would be asked to put an end to himself. (

    126. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Fionan: “…as climate change reaches the point of no return, in around eight years according to some experts.”

      A shill for the energy industry, or just a moron?

    127. terence callachan says:

      CameronB Brodie…

      I don’t want to impose voting restrictions that are out of line with EU rules

      I do want it talked about and recognised as an important issue
      We know the british government lie
      I think they lie about the number of English people moving to live in Scotland
      We need a census more often than once every ten years
      The British government employs a lot of people in Scotland and many of them come here from England
      England is a country that does not want free movement of people from country to country
      Well that’s not quite true they do want it for themselves it’s just they don’t want it for everyone else

    128. CameronB Brodie says:

      terence callachan
      Well there you go, nice one prof.

      Toward a Sociology of Colonial Subjectivity: Political Agency in Haiti and Liberia

    129. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Watching Terence quote that stuff is reminding me of The Lawnmower Man. Only if Jobe was comatose then brought up to the level of a parrot.

    130. CameronB Brodie says:

      terence callachan
      I stand corrected.

    131. callmedave says:

      The PM’s senior adviser has called for changes to how government works, saying there are “profound problems” with how decisions are made.

    132. terence callachan says:

      Good Jobe or bad jobe

    133. terence callachan says:

      Mike Cassidy…..brigadoon

      They are still doing it
      You know ?
      Every week there’s another scot on telly telling us how scotland is
      Giving a description so wildly incorrect that you know right away they’ve done it for the money

    134. terence callachan says:

      CameronB Brodie…..

      Thanks …downloaded …will read

    135. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      For those who have cottoned on to the Climate Emergency.

      For the past 22 million+ years, there has been a glaciation every 100,000 years. It’s The Earth’s cycle.

      We are due another one now – and have been for the past ten years or so.

      So what is the Human response to this impending catastrophe?

      Answers on a postcard to anyone who gets it.

    136. Effijy says:

      Just seen an advert by Jose Mourinho for a gambling web site?

      The football manager has had an annual salary of over £10 million for the last decade and
      Very good wages for a decade prior to that.

      He first got sacked at Chelsea FC and picked up around £16 Million on a settlement.
      He returned a few years later and was sacked again picking up only £6 Million this time.

      Manchester United sacked him and paid around £22 Million for the privilege.

      He worked as a punter for TV stations at the World Cup picking up 450,000 per day.

      He currently earns £288,000 per week with Tottenham Hotspur.

      This guy needs a job selling on line gambling to the gullible?


    137. mike cassidy says:

      Brian Doonthetoon 10.17

      This will interest you.

      From ten years ago.

      On a site for those skeptical even then of climate change skeptics.

      “Simulations of the climate response if the sun did fall to Maunder Minimum levels find that the decrease in temperature from the sun is minimal compared to the warming from man-made greenhouse gases”

    138. Willie says:

      Colin Alexander @12.04.

      Simply put –

      The Act of Union was not brought about by a referendum but by Scottish parliamentarians voting to suspend the Scottish Parliament to facilitate a Union.

      Why then is it the alleged law that Scotland requires a referendum to bring about an end to the Union. Indeed, it was Margaret Thatcher’s view no less that all that was needed to end the Union was for a majority of Scottish MPs to vote for that.

      All this talk of constitution and the requirements for 90% of one eyed, one legged Scots to pirouette on their missing leg all subject to an S30 order granted by the supreme Westminster is a load of tosh. Westminster are making it up as they go along making Jocko Monkey dance on the end of a string.

      So, get to it SNP, I’m sure there’s enough legal firepower to establish that Westminster does not have the legal authority to stop Scottish MPs adopting alternative actions. Let’s push this so called Brit constitution to destruction.

    139. Kangaroo says:

      Brian Doonthetoon 10:17

      “So what is the Human response to this impending catastrophe?”

      Answers on a postcard to anyone who gets it.

      Human Answer : We’re having a smoko, mate.

    140. Willie says:

      Put even more simply. Scotland voted to return over 80% SNP MPs.

      By comparison Borish Johnson has nothing like 80% of the MPs or the percentage vote that the SNP was given in Scotland, but hey, he sees it as a stinking majority that allows him to do what he likes in Scotland.

      So tell me how this act of Union – British Constitution works, is it English man kick Scottish man in head and repeatedly so until Scottish man give in to English man superiority. Seems so Jiocko, now fuck off and be quiet and take your SNP monkeys with you.

    141. twathater says:

      OT Watched a programme earlier on Yesterday channel it was about underground spaces , Edinburgh was featured re Burke and Haire but what was TRULY amazing was the underground spaces in Helsinki and other parts of Finland a small nation of i think 500000 souls

      Some spaces were originally blasted out of the granite rock to act as shelters during the cold war but those and others have been transformed to accommodate various other activities such as swimming pools and leisure centres , sewage works ,art installations , churches ,go cart tracks and suchlike

      It shows that small countries with small populations can inventively utilise and adapt their resources to benefit their citizens , they don’t have to yearn for an empire or delude themselves that they are a world power

      Well worth a watch

    142. Richardinho says:

      Love the artwork!

    143. Fionan says:

      ‘A shill for the energy industry, or just a moron?’

      RN, what a rude and unpleasant personal attack. Are you a misogynist, a troll, or just a thoroughly unpleasant and arrogant person who only wants their own opinions to be heard?

    144. Capella says:

      @ Fionan – RN is all three. Just ignore.

    145. Abulhaq says:

      Was the last election about stopping Brexit, a leftist front to halt Johnson or even something to do with Scottish independence? Who needs BritState divide and conquer when we seem rather good at it ourselves.
      When sight of the aim is lost and when you put too much faith in the machinations of politicians, betrayal and disillusion ensues.
      There is something ‘third world’ about this scenario. Political stasis and frustration leading to what?
      What has happened to HOPE?
      US has killed man responsible for engineering the defeat of Islamic State in Iraq & Syria. Take cover!

    146. jfngw says:

      Spotted some LibDem claiming to be pansexual, what is this, some sort of kitchen utensil fetish?

    147. jfngw says:

      Now it’s got me thinking when I was young the co-op van (62247) always asked if I wanted plain or pan when getting bread, now I’m not sure what he was asking!

    148. Dorothy Devine says:

      Looks like we may not need to worry about climate change anyway as the end of the world took a step closer thanks to our best friends in the States who have killed a top Iranian general with a drone strike.

      They are now hustling their countrymen out of Iraq in case of massive retaliation. Not to mention the Israeli PM has scuttled back to Israel in case it over spills into his interfering country which has been fighting inside Syria.

      I’m sure our wondrous P.M will somehow succeed in blaming Russia.

    149. mike cassidy says:


      Don’t worry about pansexual.

      Just a term for people too wimpish to admit they’re attracted to both sexes.

      Carry On Panning!

      What a film!

    150. Dan says:

      News article headline on my email site reads like it was Scotland’s fault, but the following few sentences tell a different story.

      Scotland could have helped England prevent blood tragedy, document suggests

      Hundreds of haemophiliacs could have been spared infection with HIV if England had sought help from Scotland in manufacturing blood products, new documents suggest.

      A letter dated January 1990 shows Scotland had previously had spare capacity to help England produce the much-need blood product Factor VIII, but Government officials in England rejected the idea.

      Instead, England continued to import large amounts of Factor VIII from risky sources abroad, including US prisoners and drug addicts who were infected with diseases including HIV.

      The contaminated blood scandal has been labelled the worst treatment disaster in the history of the NHS, leaving thousands of patients infected with hepatitis and HIV, and causing many early deaths.

      Most of those involved had the blood-clotting disorder haemophilia and relied on regular injections of Factor VIII to survive.

      But they were unaware they were receiving contaminated Factor VIII and, despite repeated warnings, continued to be given the product throughout the 1970s and 1980s.

      The latest document was released under the Freedom of Information Act to campaigner Jason Evans, whose father died in 1993 having contracted hepatitis and HIV.

      In it, Professor John Cash, a former director of the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service, said the decision not to use Scotland’s spare capacity to produce Factor VIII for England was “a grave error of judgement”.

      Scotland had been virtually self-sufficient in the manufacture of its Factor VIII which took place at the Protein Fractionation Centre (PFC) in Liberton, a suburb to the south of Edinburgh.

      The letter said the Scottish PFC had had “very substantial” spare capacity, which had been verified during an experiment at the centre.

      Mr Cash wrote: “It was assumed by those of us on the shop floor that this experiment would expedite arrangements to give England and Wales assistance – but nothing materialised.”

      Mr Cash also spoke of “serious defects in the operational liaison” between the Scottish Home and Health Department and the Department of Health and Social Services in England.

      He had attempted to “persuade on numerous occasions” those higher up of the need for joint working, but to no avail.

      He added: “I sense the ineptitudes of the past – 1970s and 1980s – are about to catch up with us.”

      Mr Evans, founder of the Factor 8 campaign group, said: “This is an incredible piece of evidence.

      “We have testimony in black and white here, from a very senior source, which effectively shows hundreds of HIV infections within the haemophilia community could and should have been prevented.

      “The statistics say it all – 59 haemophiliacs were infected with HIV in Scotland, as opposed to 1,243 in England, where a high proportion of HIV-infected Factor VIII from the US was used.

      “It fills me with a distinct sense of horror that so many of these people would still be alive if it were not for the total negligence that took place.”

      Des Collins, senior partner of Collins Solicitors, representing 1,400 victims and families, said self-sufficiency in Factor VIII is one of the main issues currently being investigated by the current public inquiry into contaminated blood.

      He added: “It is obvious that had the UK produced more of its own Factor VIII products, which this evidence makes clear was entirely possible, there would have been far fewer HIV infections.”

      In 2016, former health minister Lord Owen said his pledge to make the country self-sufficient in Factor VIII was scrapped in the dawn of the first Thatcher government.

      He said “that programme was effectively starved of money, blocked and they gave up self-sufficiency”.

      In 2017, Prof Cash told a BBC Panorama programme that “if you look at the difference between England and Scotland in terms of the outcomes, you have to conclude, that it was not unavoidable, it was avoidable.”

      A Department of Health and Social Care spokeswoman said: “The infected blood tragedy should never have happened and the ongoing public inquiry was set up to get to the truth and give families the answers they deserve.

      “We are committed to being open and transparent with the inquiry and have waived the usual legal privileges to assist the process.”

      The infected blood inquiry will resume its public hearings in February 2020.”

    151. Willie says:

      A war with Iraq?

      Now that would be an opportunity, as the last Secretary of State for Defence declared, for Great Britain to project lethal force on the world stage.

      Just think about it. A good going war with the conflagration spreading across the Middle East and beyond and GB at the heart of it. The roar of Rule Britannia and national pride would be tremendous.

      I mean remember the Falklands. Ships leaving Portsmouth with women waving their bra’s and cheering wildly. Stirring stuff.

      And when they sunk the Sir Galahad we brought em back in boxes wit( full military honour having served their country well. And yes, when special forces later crept up in 5he night on a barracks of sleeping Argie soldiers, we slit every one of their throats in an attack that man6 would have described as a war crime. Abut we know better.

      Ah well we can but wait and see if we get the opportunity to do a bit of damage and show the world that we are a world power not to be messed with. Britain at its best.

    152. Dan says:

      @mike cassidy & jfngw

      I think I might be pansexual as love my new airfryer chip pan, and have had numerous steamy affairs with colanders.

    153. Breeks says:

      jfngw says:
      3 January, 2020 at 9:25 am
      Now it’s got me thinking when I was young the co-op van (62247) always asked if I wanted plain or pan when getting bread, now I’m not sure what he was asking!

      I’ve not heard that expression for a long time.

      Apart that is from a quip on Twitter that is, which said an Independent Scotland would make toasters big enough to fit the bread in… lol

    154. Liz g says:

      Dorothy Devine @ 9.41am
      Aye… And the last time the US messed with Iran in a big way the retaliation brought us the Lockerbie Atrocities!!
      And still we don’t learn to get as far away as possible from the US and it’s side kick Westminster….
      Both of whom put the target on our backs that is Faslane and and Coleport.

    155. galamcennalath says:

      @jfngw @Breeks

      Another expression I haven’t heard for donkeys is “that’s a a bit pan loaf”, meaning something was a bit posh or pretentious.

    156. Breeks says:

      Liz g says:
      3 January, 2020 at 11:23 am
      Dorothy Devine @ 9.41am
      Aye… And the last time the US messed with Iran in a big way the retaliation brought us the Lockerbie Atrocities!!
      And still we don’t learn to get as far away as possible from the US and it’s side kick Westminster….
      Both of whom put the target on our backs that is Faslane and and Coleport.

      Thing is too, at the risk of sounding picky about your method of ex judicial assassination, there seems something cowardly about killing people by drone.

      I mean, I get the logic that you’re not risking you’re own people, but the people you are bombing on the ground will just be all the more incensed at the craven cowardice of the delivery. To me it seems absolutely certain that it will turn moderates into radicals more effectively than any hate fuelled Imam.

      If you really can reach out your hand of death with such omnipotence, then what would it pain you to actually prove guilt in an accredited judicial process beforehand? This wasn’t a death sentence, it was an extrajudicial assassination. In dispassionate and objective terms, it was both a murder and an act of war.

      America has been looking increasingly ugly for some time now. It’s an ugliness that’s more than skin deep and it’s going to endure for many years and decades to come. What kind of people do you think these Mexican children separated from their parents and kept in cages will grow up to become? Asking you Donald Trump, you wicked and spectacular arsehole.

      Sadly, in Boris Johnson, the UK has a rotten flunky who is just as craven, and will sign their endorsement on any atrocity for which Trump needs an accomplice.

      Put an end to this Union. I want no part of it.

    157. CameronB Brodie says:

      Did the Nazis not get the benefit of due legal process before execution? The Anglo-American sphere of influence certainly appears to be marching to the beat of a particularly illiberal drum nowadays. Who’s next?

    158. John H. says:

      Willie 10.19am.

      As I remember it the ship carrying the body bags docked and unloaded in the middle of the night. No grand parade for those boys. Or maybe I don’t remember it correctly.

    159. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Breeks says:

      “…an Independent Scotland would make toasters big enough to fit the bread in… lol”

      That is no laughing matter!

      The decline of the Scottish Plain Loaf coincided with the rise of the Toaster. Toasters that were designed and manufactured in England, to specifications that were deliberately incompatible with the dimensions of the daily bread of the people of Scotland.

      And sold to us as essential symbols of a modern 20th century culture in which Scottish stuff had no legitimate place.

      Plain Breid was Too Big, Too Rich in flavour and Too Brilliant to be tolerated by the perpetrators of the Myth that Scotland was :
      Too Small
      Too Poor
      Too Stupid

      To make a slice of toast … never mind run our own country.

    160. Liz g says:

      Breeks @ 12.56
      I want no part of it either Breeks…
      And would also like to point out that had we voted to leave in 2014 and were independent right now…
      If we’d also agreed to rent Faslane and Coleport to Westminster that target would still be very much on Scottish Backs…
      ( I’m not talking about a full scale nuclear strike here,I’m talking about a specific attack on the base)
      We need to get well away from the US/UK warmongering!

    161. Dorothy Devine says:

      Can’t agree more Liz.

      This latest US action is totally horrific and endangers us all.

    162. Willie says:

      Retaliation may be on the cards.

      An attack on Saudi oil assets, the sinking of a few tankers in the straits of Hormuz,a flurry of false flag incidents, and the turning of Iran into a Syria writ large.

      Yee haw Cowboy,and Blighty will be doing it.

    163. Liz g says:

      Dorothy Devine @ 3.40
      Aye Dorothy…. We rent that Base ( or any other ) to Westminster Subs and it’s US controlled missiles sends a message we’re on their side.
      Telling them to get their Neuks out of our counry ASAP, tells the world we’re stepping away from this constant warmongering in other people’s countries.

    164. Joe says:

      RE US assassination of Iranian.

      I didnt see much liberal outrage when Obama had drones kill everyone at weddings to get just 1 or 2 terrorists.

      Now you are all clutching your pearls in horror. I need to stop reading this shit, its making me ashamed to be of the same nationality as you hypocrite kunts.

    165. CameronB Brodie says:

      I thought you’d already decided we were below you. Sure enough, a non-judicial killing is a non-judicial killing, and one US president is pretty much like the others. But you’re not seriously trying to justify this latest act of moral irresponsibility?

    166. Dorothy Devine says:

      Then you weren’t bloody listening Joe – there’s a surprise.

      Obama has a nice smile , he ain’t too good on anything else.

    167. terence callachan says:

      Twathater 2.27an

      Check out Finland airlines
      You point out Finland is a smallish population
      The destination choice of their airline is staggering compared to Scotland

      Once independent Scotland can have its own airline and many many more destinations from Scotland

      I see TUI now only do holidays from Glasgow
      Stopped Edinburgh flight departures

    168. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi terence callachan at 9:08 pm

      You typed,

      “Once independent Scotland can have its own airline and many many more destinations from Scotland”

      What about..

    169. Karmanaut says:

      Thanks for all the great work.

      Going into 2020 with some apprehension, tbh. Feels like we’re on a knife edge. There seems to be a clear path for the unionist parties to undermine the SNP, which presumably they will take, and therefore set back the push for indy.

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