Wings Over Scotland

Your finger must be glued to the pulse, Chris.

Accolades to follow I’m sure.

Good stuff again. Kevin McKenna’s article in the Herald this morning is well worth a read

Ahh, an NHL (Nationalist Hockey League) net minder.

Hope he has beaucoup skillz as we certainly need someone to stop folk who are supposedly on our side scoring own goals…

From the Herald.
[You also wonder if, after 13 years in government with the virtual guarantee of six more, a sense of entitlement has begun to settle within the minds of those who have starred on that journey. Has the ultimate prize of independence detached the party from the moorings that tether the rest of us to reality?

There is a growing number of disillusioned SNP politicians who feel that a poisonous group of ultras has infiltrated the party and hijacked its popularity to advance a threatening gender-recognition syllabus. The social media activity of these entryists is violent and designed to intimidate. They hunt as a pack and openly discuss ways of destroying their opponents. Several are close to the SNP’s inner sanctum and deep concerns have been expressed to the party executive about their vile conduct. Yet they proceed unchallenged.

Concerns about Mr Mackay’s increasingly bizarre conduct have also been expressed for several years, but it seems they too went largely unheeded. He is a broken man now and it’s my hope that some in the party he gave his life to are offering him the help he needs.]

Many will agree with that but as MacKay was seemingly part of that inner clique why should we feel anything at his departure?
Is Mr McKenna going soft?

Good one Chris, Foote will definitely need a tough skin.

Meanwhile as per usual Englands propaganda machine the BBC, is up to no good again.

link to thenational.scot

Ex-Rangers owner Craig Whyte claims in his autobiography book, that he had the power of the Scottish newspapers to get stories changed from bad to go on Rangers FC.

Whyte claims that it was especially true of the Daily Record and Jim Traynor.

link to thenational.scot

As a Scottish independence march gets set this year to march through Westminster, and one is also to be held in Berlin. Netherlands for Scottish Independence will hold a rally for Scottish independence on Saturday 30th of May in the Hague.

The organisers are currently looking for and contacting speaker to take part. It wilk be a relaxed event with musicians playing various types of music.

Our Europeans brothers and sisters are doing their part to help us gain independence lets get behind them.

Check the National newspapers YesHub page for more details.

Does a leopard change it’s spots?

Does the independence movement trust Mr Foote an inch?

Open question – before anyone else ‘half-inches’ the pun …

I get the feeling there is a growing discontent with the ‘upper echelons’ of the SNP.

As an Independence supporter but not an SNP person, would someone more in the know, care to comment?

Thank you.

His kind, with their all important contact books, are so well established within the media that they now form a conservatively, unified bloc. Expecting anything remotely imaginative from the current SNP leadership is an act of extreme futility, of course. So, expect very little to change, folks.

This appointment stinks. Is he the only unemployed journo in Scotland looking for a job? All converts are to be celebrated, obviously, as is he.

But into the high echelons? Really? Why?

Re. Murray Foote. Everyone deserves a second chace, though some need closer oversight and supervision than others. I hope MF is accordingly monitored.

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Just because I know there are folk who ridgedly resist anything at all related to religion and moral order.

The Oxford Handbook of Jurisprudence and Philosophy of Law
Natural Law: The Modern Tradition

Abstract and Keywords

This article focuses on recent works on natural law theory, particularly those that concentrate on discussing positive law. It opens up with a brief history and overview of natural law theories. The modern legal theorists who identify themselves with the natural law tradition seem to have objectives and approaches distinctly different from those classically associated with natural law.

This article deals with two different types of natural law – natural law as moral/political theory and natural law as legal/social theory – as connected at a basic level. It discusses two lines of thought, natural law and natural rights, as interchangeable, or closely connected and reflects a modern perspective.

The most important idea modern natural law theorists have brought to jurisprudence is that views of law that take into account law’s moral aspirations offer a better understanding of social institution.

Keywords:
natural law theory, political theory, social theory, modern perspective, jurisprudence

link to oxfordhandbooks.com

Beware this Trojan horse.

How hard can it be? These past three years, the SNP could have used Marcel Marceau as Press Officer.

Scotland’s predicament isn’t the Press. Nor the BBC. Scotland’s problem isn’t what it sees and hears, but what it doesn’t see.

Over these past 20+ years, Scotland has had it’s Constitutional integrity diluted, weakened, and rendered a little more obsolete, a little more obscure. We are being assimilated, not like the Borg on Star Trek, but quietly and surreptitiously, imperceptibly. All the hallmarks of Scotland are being eroded, and “Britishised”.

”Scotland’s tartans and clans? Oh didn’t you hear? It isn’t real. Queen Victoria and Albert designed them all.
The pipes and drums? Appearing at any British military parade or tattoo you care to mention, even with UnionJack pipes on occasion.
Scotch produce in a Supermarket? Why it’s all British really. Look at the Union Jack in the Corner.
Scottish Government? Aye, they lap up the word “Scottish” but the British Government has them on a short leash.

Culloden? Oh that was Scot killing Scot don’t you know? I’m sure the battlefield was around here, beside all those houses….”.

We’ve all fucking heard it. Look at what passes for a newspaper these days, in the country which gave the world Rabbie Burns, Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, J. M. Barrie….

All of these erosions of Scotland are happening under our noses, a sustained denigration of Scotland’s noble history as a sovereign Nation which raised army after army to defend itself from molestation from South of the Border, boasted a colourful mix of culture and language enriched for centuries by it’s own sovereign interaction with fellow nations.

Yet here we are, buckled and deformed and transfixed by “devolved” legislation as if it was a magicians spell, and an unbreakable incantation because we “apparently” agreed to it. Read it, “The Scotland Act”, and if you want some further light reading, go ahead and read the Act of Union, and learn what insipid wee words have kept our Nation imprisoned all this time.

Scotland needs to stop listening to the euthanising language and culture of the colonial overlords and their ermine clad Gauleiters, and start hearing the rugged and stubborn resistance of the Auld Scotland which fought Tooth and nail for it’s existence. We fought that well for our existence the French threw a guard of Scottish Soldiers around their own Joan of Arc.

It wasn’t a fluke like shitey Scotland winning at football, it was a Scottish culture that bred hardy warriors and stoic wives and widows of tremendous endurance and unbreakable spirit for decade after decade and century after century.

How did the English master Scotland? They made us believe in a wee bit of shite on paper.

That’s not the Scotland I want to live and die in. I want this whole sorry mess sorted before my time on this Earth is up. My Scotland is a sovereign Nation which the Abbot of Arbroath described to Pope in 1320, after it won it’s wars and repelled the colonial invaders. The British now call it the Scottish wars of Independence, but make no mistake, we were Independent and Sovereign throughout, and it was no more a war of Independence than the Soviets throwing the Nazis out of Russia in WW2.

Don’t believe a word of the British propagandists whether they are Tories in a suit or knuckle draggers in a flag. There’s a wee baby being born later today, more than one actually, and for a few moments, that wee baby will be the newest Scot on the planet. And, they, he or she, be they black, white, asian Arab or Jew, will be the newest wee person to become a sovereign Scottish citizen, and sovereign because Scotland’s Declaration of Arbroath made it thus. That wee baby has a Sovereignty as pure and wholesome as she is, and no tosspot politician and wormtongue colonial overlord has any right to curtail the sovereign rights and privileges which Scotland bestows upon that wee Scottish baby. Not now, not ever.

We will stand up for Scotland, because this generation is a stronger generation of Scots than the weaker ones before us. If we need a stronger government than the one we’ve got then we will make one. Recent generations might have failed to get rid of this all pervasive colonial invasion, but we will not. Your Britishness is alien and doesn’t belong here. It never will. This is Scotland. It’s our country, not yours. “Britishness” is your culture, not ours.

Let him come up with a stunt as effective as the Vow to push a win this time and all will be forgiven.

Just got a letter through from the SNP.

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“2020 is going to be a big year, as we build our momentum towards the second independence referendum.

I know you will give as much time and energy as you can into that campaign. But I am writing to ask you to do just a bit more – by joining me in increasing your membership direct debit.

At this hugely exciting time, every one of us must go the extra mile if we are to create the independent new nation, we all passionately want.

That means we need to urgently double the budget for campaigning. If we all chipped in an extra £1 a month, together we’d raise over £1 million more to help the party win over the waverers on the case for an independent Scotland.

By increasing your direct debit now, you’ll be helping us to encourage that movement towards independence. I promise every extra penny you give will be invested in the campaign for Scotland’s future.”

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I wouldn’t necessarily object to putting in a bit more, but I kind of want to see first exactly what the SNP grand plan is for actually getting this second independence referendum. Nothing really on that front to take anything away on.

Well, it looks like no official/governmental body in Scotland will celebrate Prince Andrews birthday on the 19th of February, thank goodness.

South of the Border St Pauls cathedral will ring out the bells for Prince Andrew on his birthday, he was a close friend of sex trafficker Jefferey Epstein.

TinyT says:
8 February, 2020 at 2:07 pm

Listen to Breeks, Scotland’s very own Mr. Sovereignty.

He knows you know, he’ll keep you right.

What the fuck does that mean, Mr. fuckin Newcomer.
Never read any shit you put up till a few days ago. Breeks speaks for most of us.Go back to whatever hole you climbed out of.

@Kenny J

Have I touched a nerve Mr Tagteam LOL

Colin Alexander “claim to be pro-indy” an oxymoron haha

TinyT says:
8 February, 2020 at 2:49 pm

@Kenny J

Have I touched a nerve Mr Tagteam LOL

TinyT says:
8 February, 2020 at 2:56 pm

Colin Alexander “claim to be pro-indy” an oxymoron haha

Funny how these arseholes turn up at regular intervals.
I suppose it gives them a buzz somewhere, Eh Tiny.
Is that a reference to some part of your anatomy ?

We need a leadership prepared to give Johnson and co sleepless night and should they perchance manage sleep, nightmares.
Scotland should be something to fear, something impossible to ignore.
That is where leadership ‘personality’ enters the political field.
The reasonable approach has plainly yielded nothing.
At the moment Scotland is just something adhering to Westminster’s shoe.
We must be the Nemesis to such British Hubris.
NB. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one’s own competence, accomplishments or capabilities; see India.

TinyT wrote on 8 February, 2020 at 3:18 pm:

@Kenny J
“There was a time when this website was the most influential place to visit for solid information for those interested in the facts about Independence v Unionism.”

It still is! The archive facility stores over 5000 articles the vast majority of which are laden with cold hard facts relating to Scotland and the fight to take back our right of self-determination.

@Dan 15:27
Without subscribing to conspiracy theory uncovering the dirt on the British and American empires can be a hard slog. Google is susceptible to pressure. China effectively curtailed its activities.
The US establishment is alleged to have ‘close contacts’. Whether the Brits possess the clout is a matter of speculation.
Sometimes just reading the histories of the former subject nations gives adequate insight into the methodology of imperialist colonialism.
Scotland, rather more than Ireland or Wales, strikes me as providing the blueprint for conquest by the back door.
As to the US we might remember the annexation of Hawa’ii and Puerto Rico to name but two on going examples of colonialism. As for the ethnic cleansing of the native peoples of the ‘USA’….where do you start?
It’s a back handed ‘compliment’ but the Brits generally appear to have had more finesse.
Better at the schmoozing!

RE The SNP Letter-

I normally would send more money but I just can’t without
Knowing how are going to use It now to deliver Indy ref 2.

Will the money print more leaflets, some billboards, an on-line campaign?

Do they want more again for 2021 elections and if successful Indy ref
Campaign 2022.

I’v put a lot of money into a lot of Indy related projects but now all the stars are aligned
For a massive push I want action now.

Tory Gov again we didn’t vote for, a PM who lodged his hate for Scots, £billions to be wasted
On new nuclear weapons to be stored here, paying £billions for England’s stupendous high speed
Railway, being dragged out of Europe against our will, and being ignored or insulted in Westminster
On a daily basis.

What more could our enemies give us weaponise our Indy Campaign?

The time is now. Name our next radical move and my money is on its way,

It’s always a pleasure to dip into the Chris Cairns website.

(Though the btl, not so much.)

Scottish Rugby- Absolutely shocking start and we have a gale on our side this half.

Excluding the House Jock commentators, is there any Scottish rugby team member who actually belives in a independent Scotland?

Or is the usual 80 minutes proud Scots routine.

Cannae believe folk waste their time watching a InternationalRegional Rugby team from a place that didn’t have the gumption to think it would be better being a country in control of its own destiny, rather than being fleeced in an “equal” union with a bunch of charlatans and spivs.

The only thing that marginally impresses me is that the team actually manage to pull their oan socks up and tie their oan boot laces without having to rely on some other entity to help seeing as it is too difficult to do such independently.

Though to be honest wi youse, full disclosure n’ aw that, I’m only one and a half beers in a made a total cunt of serving my meatballs on tae ma rice with balls rollin all over the gaff.
Maybe I should get masel in a union pronto so my partner could do these complex tasks…

An imperial manifestation of the ‘too stupid’ to run their own country meme.

The human zoo.

link to archive.is

Hey Breeks 1.58pm……..I thought you said English and British are the same thing
English means british
British means English

Why do you keep using both

I’m in Ureland just now and the commentary is such a relief. No slimy house jocks, and honors seeking g spineless boothroyd.

Until were a totally I dependent, we will never psychologically be ready to not feel inferior. That game was there for the taking! They not us decided to go for it.

I look at Ireland and as a country, they actually have belief! Time to ditch the reptiles and the Sru.

Damn predictive text!!!! Smart phones suck! You get the drift though ?

One thing that has always confused me, because it’s totally mind-fuck illogical, are the advocates of democracy and referendum who seem to think that an assertion of constitutional sovereignty somehow undermines their argument and demolishes the principle of a democratic referendum.

It’s like going to a medieval foot solder armed with a sword, and telling him you’ve got a brand new contraption called a machine gun, and he refuses to listen because he’s really, really, attached to his sword.

But this machine gun will win your battle…

“No, don’t want to listen. You just want my sword do you? I know what your game is”.

No mate. I don’t want your sword. It’s a machine gun. Let me show you how it works. It means you win. It’s free, it’s yours, it’s locked and loaded and ready to go…All you have to do is point it and pull the trig…

“Nope. No. We don’t want any machine guns here. We’ll just stay as we are and give old Excalibur another quick polish…”

But they’ve all got machine guns on the other side, but not as good machine guns as this one here that I’m giving to you.

“No, nope. No machine guns. You can’t stab somebody in the kidneys with a machine gun. Now can ye eh? Answer that clever dick. Eh? See? Ye cannae. Nae answer.”

What the actual fuck do you do with an independence supporter who doesn’t want to know about Scotland’s actual, factual, written down and recognised lawful Sovereignty? I honestly don’t know. Do you give him a hug and warm blanket, or a slap about the head for being so fucking thick?

You feel like a monster about to crush his wee dreams trying to make him realise that unless you take care of the nasty sovereignty business underpinning your wee referendum, the result is going count for absolutely nothing, because win, lose, or draw, nobody, you hear me? NOBODY, is obliged to heed the result. They can ignore it, ignore you, and turn around and walk away. You’re pissing in the rain, …just like the Catalans.

Europe has been sitting there for three years trying to spell it out. Any dissolution of the UK of the UK has to be legal and constitutional!. “No, no, nope, none of that Constitutional malarkey here… we can maybe, possibly win a referendum if we can just manage to get agreement from our overlords to let us have a vote respect the result….”

“Mate, what the fuck do you think Sovereignty does? Why do you think I’ve been droning on, and on, and on about Sovereignty for what feels like about 100 years? I’ve had to listen to hours and hours and hours of your utterly pointless pish and conjecture about Section 30 Agreements, a whole exercise just proved utterly, utterly futile, because Boris the overlord has just said “get stuffed”, and all the wheels have suddenly fallen off your wee wagon.

“Ooh. Oh. What do we do now??”

Face palm….

Ended my SNP membership on Friday 31st January after 20+ years. That speech was the last straw. Got a letter from them this morning. Was expecting “Please re-join anytime, blah, blah…” Instead, it was Peter Murrell’s letter, begging for more money. They must have forgotten to take me off their mailing list.

I suppose there’s no point in asking what happened to my contribution to the fund for the referendum that never was. Still, at least now I won’t be helping support the likes of Murray Foote and the woke brigade.

I don’t always agree with Robin McAlpine and have laughed at some of his articles in the past, but I’m sorry to say he’s probably spot on with this one:

link to commonspace.scot

Good stuff as ever Breeks.
It really has almost got to the point of comedy now with many of our elected Scottish politicians finding the time to put a rainbow twibbon in their profile pic whilst ignoring their country is being systematically ravaged by psychopaths and crooks, which if allowed to continue will likely mean our politicians will have even less power and influence to affect a wide range of policy.

Grabbing and igniting a candle on the 31st of January to leave a light on in Europe seemed like a rather inappropriate and forlorn last minute gesture when the big ol’ Sovereignty Spanner could have been picked up and wielded the moment the EU ref. result was in, to start undoing the nuts that bind us in the UK union, whilst simultaneously tightening the bolts to keep us held firm in European Union.

@Abulhaq

You can try getting folk to read this old article.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

MorvenM @ 7.45

Ditto. Told them where to put their membership and the reasons why on 31 January and received same begging letter today.

Remember back in 2016 when Labour’s National Executive Committee decided to ban new members from voting in fresh Labour leadership contest.
One wonders if it gave any other parties ideas…

In the Republic of Ireland the press cover good news stories as well as bad about their country
In Northern Ireland the press cover bad news stories about the Republic and bad news stories about Sinn Fein

Familiar stuff eh, but the British press isn’t controlled, Nah of course it’s not

Breeks @ 1.42pm a very informative and emotive posting Breeks and people like Tiny t attempting to denigrate your contribution shows that certain supposed supporters are quite content to delay and kick our dreams into the long grass in the hope that maybe bozo will come to their rescue and block our hopes and ambitions in perpetuity

If Tiny t is not a brit Nat he certainly speaks their language

RTE reporting that exit poll shows FG, FF and SF all tied on 22%. (Margin of error is 1.5%)

Breeks 7.44pm…

But most of the people that vote for nearly all MPs in Westminster are actually English people

Nearly all the British nationalists in U.K. are English

You don’t have to hate or as you say “ object to “ English people
But to ignore that Westminster and British nationalism would not exist without the huge majority of English people voting for it is to ignore reality

Once Scotland is independent once British nationalism no longer rules Scotland you will be able to enjoy Christmas’s with English neighbours every bit as much as you can now but the number of English people still wanting to control Scotland will not have diminished

British nationalism only exists because English people vote for it and there are more of them than Scotland wales Ireland added together

Dan @ 17:02,

Don’t mind a bit of banter, that was a little tongue-in-cheek of me anyway, after all. =grin= Actually, I admire that way you and Dr.J can get over a point with a laugh to help it along!

I’m all for debate about the issues, and I have been somewhat critical of the present SNP leadership strategy myself, even taken brickbats for it at times on here for my pains. That’s all as it should be. Even the usual concern trolls, who soon become well-known anyway.

What really makes my blood boil though is that misbegotten offspring of BT who don’t come here or elsewhere in the social mediasphere to discuss issues (since they would quickly lose) but instead devote their energies to denigrating individuals in the indy leadership (especially SNP) via baseless personal insinuations. Their aim is evidently a deliberate calculated attempt to diminish anyone capable of leadership in order to harm and divert the increasing public shift toward independence. All done by unsubstantiated smears, nods and winks. A constant dribble of poisonous character assassination from people who claim to support independence but whose every effort is negative. We could call them the Proud Poison Dwarves (PPDs). As we have seen recently, as the polls have moved toward indy, the mask has slipped from some of the concern trolls and revealed PPDs.

Another (relatively small) group are the disenchanted egoists (DEs). People who have had their nose put out of joint one way or another by the SNP, or those who have an attenuated following and bitterly envy the relative success of the SNP, or those whose zenith is long past and can’t come to terms with the loss of influence. I’m sure we can all think of particular individuals who fit into these categories. Starting with Jim Sillars, who is now shamefully reduced to writing pathetic letters to the Tory papers.

In a way they are worse, because they are attacking the very cause they claim to espouse, motivated by mere personal pique. If they were truly worth anything, they would be far bigger than that.

Lastly there are the dummy followers (DFs), the emotionally incontinent who voraciously and indiscriminately hoover up the crap from the others and gleefully regurgitate it with their own imaginative and equally-baseless embellishments. These are the useful idiots that the PPDs are targeting, the equivalent of zombie servers who unwittingly provide an increased background of confusion and misdirection for their manipulators.

All of which has nothing to do with policy and issues, and everything to do with harming decent people’s reputations by whisper and innuendo. A continuation of the relentless negativity of the other side back in 2014, driven by an increasingly-desperate feeling that they are fast losing the argument, haunted by a graveyard of lies. Hence the waves of insinuation that magically appear these days in the wake of every good poll result for indy.

If I get angry at such dastardly and underhand efforts, I do not apologise for it. You all should be helping to see these people off by appropriate public ridicule, which is what they fully merit.

Oh, and here’s a quick tell, peeps. If you see the name “Murrell” in a posting (besides this one, natch! =grin=), you have one of the above right there in plain sight. Note them well.

‘Labour’ in Ireland is down to 4.6%.

Breeks
You keep on keepin on my friend.
While I’ve said in the past that we are not on that path at the moment… It’s still a valid route to Indy and should we turn to it your efforts will go a long way to the understanding of it.
I know you think we should have been doing this along time ago…but we are where we are and as the section 30 route closes the more people that point to the constitutional route the better.
That big dummy has no way out of this and his last best chance was to win another no vote and he is so caught up in sayin no he can’t see he’s practically sealing the deal. 🙂

@ Ian Brotherhood.

Thanks for the link to the interview with Lord Salisbury. I mean he’s not exactly telling us something we don’t know, and if we know it and he knows it, wtf are the SG faffing about for.

One other point which I think is rarely if ever pointed out is that where Westminster acts against our or our representatives expressed will in all constitutional matters then they must be acting unlawfully.

Quick power update for folk staggering back from the pub and making a cuppa and toast.

Environmentalists (not necessarily green voters) chuffed to see approx 45% of grid power being generated by wind.

Brexitmentalists fuckin ragin to see approx 7.5% of grid power still coming from pesky furriners even when they’ve left the EU.

link to gridwatch.templar.co.uk

I will apologise for this bit of my post at 10.04pm

( thought I would add it here to annoy SNP luvvies )

Everyone has the right to their opinions the fact that I disagree with them is my prerogative , After all I hope we all have the same thing in common INDEPENDENCE for Scotland

“Every day this more and more feels like one flew over the cuckoo’s nest”

You’re a star 🙂

Al-Stuart @ 03:17,

I didn’t mention any names of posters on here, but funnily enough you seem to recognise yourself anyway, so I’m sure we’re all obliged for the gratuitous self-identification. You just can’t help yourself, can you? Loadsa black letter ranting as per usual and all.

You are very ready to smear others without a shred of substantiation, you vile little creep, but you just can’t stand hearing some salient home truths, even when not directed specifically at you. That one must surely have struck home.

I’m confident though there are plenty of lurkers out there who are not only well able to recognise what I’m saying, but can also see fine for themselves who is involved in this contemptible smear campaign directed against people whose shoes they will never be able to fill in a million years.

Fool or knave, with types like you it doesn’t even matter. Fester away in your typical corrosive Labourite negativity. You’re history now anyway and we’re not fooled.

And here, today, you see the problem folk have with the SNP. Lead story in the National newspaper, is about Holyrood just legislating for indyref anyway, and then letting Westminster challenge it via the courts if it wants to. Sounds good.

But wait, that really isn’t the plan by the SNP is it, further into the article, Alex Neil, MSP says;

“But I agree with the First Minister, we have got to give democracy every chance, so if we get to 2021 and the SNP win an overall majority on the back of a mandate for indyref2, then democratically and morally Johnson cannot say no.

“But let’s try and force him into accepting the wishes of the people first if we win that mandate next year.”

[my bolding]

And there, for all to see, is the problem, people within the SNP think it is just quite ok to diddle on until 2021, and only then to start pushing for indyref.

That will be too, too late. And besides there are many who will not vote SNP next time around. They primised a referendum in 2020, so they will not have my vote, if they do not hold it.

How cosy eh? How slick. re-elect us, so we have another five years in our well-paid jobs, and we will really, really, try to have indyref. Honest.

No. The SNP have been given electoral mandate after mandate after mandate. They just won 80% of Scottish seats at the election, but Boris still says no. So, why does anybody think for even one second, that yet another electoral victory for the SNP will change things. But magically, if the SNP msp’s all get re-elected in 2021, then according to Alex Neil, “Johnson can’t say no”.

Utter, utter self-serving p*sh.

Straight out of the failed Scottish labour handbook. Keep re-electing us, and we’ll keep aiming to hold indyref. Honest!

The SNP can go swivel.

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Oh dear me, Robert, you just can’t help yourself.

It seems your “passion” has turned into a toxic brew of self flagelation and trolling others who are not members of your cult.

Robert, you grandstand about being a person who loves to debate, but not once have you made an effort to answer my empirical point?

Why are you here?

You have made a virtue of abusing others. Your love is to troll people here who have a genuine interest at what is happening in Scottish politics. God help the soft no voters after they read your bile. BobbyJ, when faced with a Troll there is a mirror policy. I just give your steaming excrement back to you on a plate with a side order of facts.

As with the site owner, I have little time for fools or charlatans and call them out.

Before you splatter another bitter rant from a lost Fundy soul on what is supposed to be a HUMOUROUS segment about a cartoon on how YOUR leader has employed the AUTHOR OF THE “VOW”, maybe you could stay on topic for the attention span of a goldfish? Robert…

What do you think about the FACT the current McWoke leadership at the SNP have employed the author of the infamous VOW that arguably cost Scotland its Independence?

Are you not disturbed by that?

As for substantive matters, Robert the master baiter and supreme troll leader, how about answering my earlier post?

Do you accept the WoS article about the Hubris risk to the SNP?

The same risk that saw ordinary voters of “New” Labour go from a great majority to ONE seat in Scotland?

Do you not see the risks as narrated by this website’s owner. Or are YOU the plant? Is it your job to pi55 off and pi55 on those people like me who have been LENDING the SNP their votes for 14 years?

I care about whether the SNP leadership can get their act together. Or more likely can get Alex Salmond or Joanna Cherry voted in as SNP Leader with a new team other than the McWoke Brigade and the Derek Mackay hingers oan. I trust the received wisdom that Stuart Campbell has assembled on and within this site. A bitter pill, but good medicine as it alerts those who can remedy the problems and helps them avoid another SNP meltdown in 2021. If we lose that election. IndyRef2 WILL BE OFF THE MENU footprint FIVE TO TEN YEARS. Ya roaster.

Robert, is there any danger in you answering the elephant-in-the-room subject written by Stuart Campbell? How do YOU explain the article and FACTS as detailed in this WoS article…

The Betrayer?

Let’s face it Robert, you are a toom tabard, and empty vessel, a vacant shirt. All bitter key banging bluster foaming at the mouth.

Robert J Sutherland, if you had any substance, you would debate the facts, not have a hissy fit!

If you mattered one iota, you WOULD be concerned with the remedial action required to save the SNP suffering another defeat in 2021 at Holyrood,

You SAY you are a fact based person. In 2017 the SNP went from 59 MPs down to 36 MPs.The party of Scotland LOST 23 MPs. Only the arrogant fool fails to learn the lessons of the past. For sure these losses are at RISK of being repeated in 2021 at Holyrood..

These are the things that matter. Not you. Not me. Yet you drag these threads down to ad hominem attacks and set yourself up as the Big Troll. You’ve already been found out as wanting to be the pro team owner of WoS as per an earlier thread.

Once you answer the facts as referenced above, then maybe you will get further engagement. Until then you are on the SCROLL PAST list.

Frankly you have failed to understand all the research, time, effort and work into IndyRef1 and IndyRef2 by the real owner of this website. Are you sure you wouldn’t be happier with the McWoke McMoaners over on Scot Goes Pop?

Dr jim. 9.26pm. I remember growing up as a youngster in Ireland watching RTE. Never once did i hear them insinuate their country was shite.

Whatever self imposed restrictions we believe the SNP/SG have placed on themselves, whatever threats to our politicians and our Parliament that may or may not have been made, we know one thing for certain, that Westminster has ignored the democratically expressed will of the Sovereign People of Scotland and that alone is enough for the people of Scotland to act.
Christine Graham was in no doubt as to how Independence would be achieved, people on the streets demanding it, and lets be in no doubt, in 2016, the FM made it clear that she would act when we told her to, it would appear we have shouted loud enough.
Well, we need to start shouting now.
On the streets, gathering signatures for a petion that orders on pain of treason that the Scottish Parliament repeals the Act of Union and withdraws from the Treaty, orders our MP’s home to form a second chamber, orders the Queen of Scots before the Scottish Parliament to account for her actions in direct contravention of the Declaration of Arbroath and orders a judicial review on what criminal action can pressed against Politicians, media and organisations which have corrupted the constitutional process using lies, misdirection, misrepresentation and threat.
No easy task, it would require the Yes movement to mobilise and act as one, it will take time and effort, but without doubt it is a clear demonstration of Sovereignty in action, by the people, for the people.

Get Murray Foote to start a pirate radio station and over time see which government tries to shut it down, will the Scottish Government tell everybody not to pay the licence for Westminster’s propaganda machine, Scotland needs its own media outlets so Scots can communicate with Scots and people working and living in Scotland, so Scots can advertise to Scots and people working and living in Scotland, we’ll never get the truth from anybody unless genuine people start taking over our media and advertising outlets.

Did anyone notice the Her Majesty’s Government full page advertisement on page 24 of the Scottish Sun yesterday advising that the NHS was prepared for the Coronavirus outbreak.

Save for telling folks that the best way to avoid Coronavirus was to always carry a tissue to catch one’s sneeze before thereafter always binning the tissue the advert seemed purposely designed to show that HMG was in control and or that the Scottish Government and the Scottish NHS was not.

Pure political advertising by HMG standing in the dog’s basket to show who’s master.

And are we to expect more of this intervention from Boris Johnstone into police, education, and all the other areas currently governed by the Scottish Parliament.

I know what I think.

@breeks

this is all very good but you dont actually say what it is you want nicola to do??

FFS Everyone with an ounce of sense knows even the best NHS in the UK
has no chance of managing the Corona Virus.

So people in England think they have it, they panic and head to A & E
They are among the millions in work and food bank poverty so you can
Forget any shit about them turning up with face masks, rubber gloves and
Goggles to protect the eyes.

They sit among all the other ailments and spread to all of them.
It’s on the seats and door handles so it can be spread for days.

The staff share it and they take it to the wards and then home and from their
To public transport, places of work and schools.

There is absolutely no chance of Bojo being able to support an epidemic with
The resources he and his chums have decimated.

Can we have that walk at the border now?

Watching Brewer, Keith Brown was good and got some of his points over well. The point about staffing costs at the new Edinburgh Children’s hospital wasn’t clear. Was he suggesting there is a staff sitting at home being paid for nothing whilsts awaiting the opening of the hospital? Surely the vast majority, if not all, are employed at the old site or across other sites?

They are really going for Joanna Cherry now. This is a witch hunt. I saw on Twitter someone showed a passage from the old accounts of the witch hunters of old in Scotland – they were known as the ‘common prickers’ after their practice of using needles to determine whether the ‘witch’ felt anything.

link to books.google.co.uk

I see we are back to compiling lists of who is good and bad on this site again based on our views of the SNP and whether this means you are not a true believer. ‘Common prickers’ is a good way to describe those who set themselves up as the arbiters of what is OK for others to say and believe. We can all be guilty of this. Let’s try not to be ‘common prickers’!

Isnt it interesting. The left within the country are tearing each other apart with some showing themselves to be complete totalitarians. Imagine what happens when that ideology takes the supreme reigns of a countries power? You dont have to. Just read history. Maybe its time some of you started to consider what you think you know?

schrodingers cat says:
9 February, 2020 at 10:41 am
@breeks

this is all very good but you dont actually say what it is you want nicola to do??

I want the Scottish Government, that is Scottish MP’s, Scottish MSP’s, to step outside and away from Westminster, and Holyrood, and call a session of the Old Scottish Parliament, the original Scottish Parliament which has not sat since 1707, and swear in those MP’s as Scottish MP’s loyal only to the lawful Constitution of the Nation of Scotland, and the Popular Sovereignty of the People.

Until further notice, put Holyrood in stasis, together with the Scotland Act and Sewel Convention, and reconstitute the “true” Government of Scotland through a Scottish Convention, and see that Scottish Parliament bound to only respect the sovereign will of the people of Scotland.

Let me quote to you again the Scottish Government’s description of how it sees itself constituted…

”….the United Kingdom is found across customs, practices – some unwritten – and various accumulated pieces of legislation. The Acts of Union between Scotland and England are among those founding statutes.
More recently, however, the Scotland Act 1998, the Scotland Act 2012, the Scotland Act 2016, as well as the European Communities Act 1972 form the basis upon which Scotland is governed.
These statutes, agreements and associated conventions, such as the Sewel Convention, set out the roles and responsibilities of the Scottish Parliament and Government, and those of the UK Government and Westminster.Therefore, Scotland’s current place within the United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom’s (and Scotland’s) relationship with the EU is formed from a combination of laws and practices built up over time, which cannot be seen in isolation.”

I would hold a session of Scotland’s elected MP’s, call it a Constitutional Convention if the expression isn’t worn out through misuse, and denounce or purge from the Constitution of Scotland’s Government all “colonial” type legislation which is incompatible with or runs contrary to, the essential principles of Scotland’s Popular Sovereignty as defined in Scotland’s Lawful and Internationally recognised Sovereign Constitution as it stood before 1707.

I would next run a similar exercise to audit the Treaty of Union for similar incompatibilities with Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution before 1707, paying particular attention to the “sovereignty by convention” which Westminster arbitrarily assumes for itself through ambiguous and unwritten protocols, and lodge a formal motion at the UN and Council of Europe that the UK Governments “Sovereignty by Convention” is nonsense, and UK Sovereignty is formally a disputed sovereignty, and that the UK seeks to unlawfully usurp and subjugate the formerly recognised and undisputed Sovereignty of Scotland.

This action by itself would not itself end the Union, but a sovereign Scottish Parliament sitting in session outside a UK Parliament would if I’m correct, constitute a material breach of the Treaty of Union, but it’s arguable that principle was already broken by Westminster itself when setting up Holyrood. And that isn’t the only “asymmetrical” interpretation of Union which has taken place by Westminster’s hand. Brexit, EVEL, differing Tax raising power, NI’s trade deal… these are all technical breaches of the Union Treaty.

Formally disputing UK Parliamentary Sovereignty would plunge the UK into a genuine constitutional crisis, with effective government largely paralysed until the dogs breakfast of the UK’s unwritten constitution, and in particular whether the Union does constitute unlawful subjugation, can be sorted out.

It is my firm belief that Scotland’s case for National Sovereignty is beyond doubt, and I further believe that an English (or British) Parliament’s capacity to reign sovereign over Scotland against Scotland’s will is equally beyond doubt.. they cannot. The dispute of UK Sovereignty would focus entirely on the mysterious “convention” of the Union which somehow merges the Popular bottom up Sovereignty of the people of Scotland with the hierarchical top down divine sovereignty of a monarch and the monarchs Parliament.

That “Sovereignty by Convention” by the way has just seen the emphatic democratic will of Scotland’s desire to stay in Europe arbitrarily overruled, which makes it quite a sinister and unscrupulous Convention which really needs to be audited for legality.

I don’t think a Constitutional Court would be fobbed off with some unwritten and notional concept of abstract sovereignty, not when Scotland can describe and set out its own case for sovereign legitimacy in explicit terms and actual documentation, and make an equally powerful demonstration of our subjugation via Brexit.

Even if that Constitutional Court baulked at the responsibility of declaring the UK Constitutionally unsound, and found a loophole to wriggle out in order to save the UK as an “established” convention, Scotland would have every right to demand that convention be properly codified, and the apparent subjugation of Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution explained in detail.

@ Stoker – the previous consultation in 2017/18 had 15,697 responses of which only 49% were from Scotland. See the report on the consultation of the Sottish Government pages.

Profile of respondents

In total, 15,697 responses were available for analysis, of which 15,532 were from individual members of the public and 165 were from groups or organisations. Overall, 49% of respondents to the consultation are resident in Scotland, with 38% resident in the rest of the UK and the remaining
13% resident elsewhere in the world.

link to gov.scot

I have read that the current consultation is also open world wide though I don’t have the quote to hand. Will post if or when I find it.

Or…

Here’s another suggestion.

Suppose a group of Scots take inspiration directly from the Declaration of Arbroath, which literally says our Constitution is valid and quorate for as long as there are 100 of us…

Rather that setting up a Scottish Parliament superior to Holyrood, and create headaches for the SNP, suppose instead we set up a Scottish Senate, with 100 Scottish Senators satisfying the stipulated protocols of the Declaration of Arbroath, and setting themselves up as an upper house and second chamber for Scottish Government which is not answerable to Westminster in any way, and would be quite at liberty to veto any Holyrood legislation which threatened to erode or subjugate the Sovereign Constitution of Scotland.

If the 100 Scottish Senators were to be the custodians of Scotland’s Constitution, using the established Claim of Right, it could legitimately expect or demand fealty and recognition from Holyrood, and thereafter the senate could audit and review all the colonial legislation like the Scotland Act, and provide the Scottish Government with an active Constitutional watchdog which wasn’t a Parliament itself, but was not controlled by Westminster, and didn’t give Westminster due excuse to shut down Holyrood and impose direct rule.

How would we select 100 senators? Well they have to be sovereign Scots, but that’s the only stipulation. But maybe, here’s a cautious suggestion, we elected 100 Scottish Senators as a kind of Scottish honours system… Not like the House of Lords gravy train, but reserved for people who actually deserve recognition for their services to Scotland. No Royals in sight, and no wee animals skinned to make any robes.

Bottom line is, we give the elected Scottish Government a Constitutional Big Brother to provide more sovereign muscle and leverage to Holyrood and if necessary overrule the Democratic Assembly if it acts outside or inconsistent with the Nation’s Constitution.

Westminster says we need a Section 30… The Constitutional Senate says we don’t. Proceed.

Westminster says Constitutional Matters are reserved. The Constitutional Senate says the Scotland Act and Sewel Convention have no jurisdiction or legal personality under the Nation’s constitution, which the Senate serves, only the devolved assembly, which respects the Claim of Right, as in fact does Westminster.

I contributed to this site for years until recently, when I became frustrated beyond hope by the SNP loyalists and their deluded optimism about Blackford et al ‘stopping Scotland being dragged out of Europe by Brexit’.

I decided to wait, yet again, to see the ‘rabbit out of the hat’ moment occur. The only thing that occurred was another mandate was pulled out of the SNP’s collective library of feeble excuses. AS ever, decisive action, i.e. a move to dissolve the Union, never happened…more abject surrender by Manager Sturgeon and her acolytes. Lies, lies and more lies.

In 2011, the SNP un-noticed by most of the nationalist voting population decided that the previously agreed UK wide basis for Independence, which was to win the majority of SEATS, was to be dropped in favour of a ‘Referendum’. This previous premise was consistent with the idea of the UK as a representative democracy. It was also the basis for every General election in history. Indeed it was validated by none other than Margaret Thatcher.

Instead Alec Salmond, inveterate gambler, threw our sovereignty on to the table with the idea of the Edinburgh Agreement and the 2014 Referendum. Our freedom and sovereign status was thus put up for the throw of a loaded Britnat dice. The result sold us into devolved slavery. The Scottish people (apparently) were ‘British’ for a ‘lifetime’.

Since then, the supine, spineless SNP have lied and misled our population. Frozen into suspended amber by the Westminster inspired trance of: privilege, (limited) power and wealth. A coterie of value signalling self regarding dilettantes disdainful of the AUOB and the ‘YES’ movement, fiddle away, literally, with many unsavoury ideas and behaviours while our Sovereignty burns.

Our People voted in 2016 to remain in the EU. The SNP have ignored that decision in favour of currying favour with their masters. They have misled with false hope and affirmations that have proven to be empty, Their total disdain for their party rank and file, and the general public deserves to be challenged by the YES movement as the ("Tractor" - Ed)s that they are.

Our country has been denuded of the talented, the young and the creative by the sloth running our country now for three centuries. With an elite that is anti-family,anti-Scottish and anti-self determination in the fullest sense, no much wonder our land empties of native youth and is supplanted by the sterile middle aged good lifers Brits and backed up by the brain dead orange dullards and self haters.

We must act now judicially via the UN and , if it’s not too late, the ECJ. The Supreme Court is a modern Blairite invention and has no right to be involved in Scotland’s law or Sovereign status. If our institutions of law , religion and government had stood by our ACT of Union and Claim of Rights as those were and continue to be breached by our co-signatory to the Union,the situation we are facing today would have been put to the sword years ago. Johnson is planning a new constitution. It will castrate the talking shop run by the current dupes and placemen/women and we will be under effective Direct Rule. As it ever was, it is up to the PEOPLE of Scotland to overthrow our corrupt leaders judicially via Sovereign demands. Time is running out…we must act now!

OT re the Independence March in Inverness a couple of weeks ago

Scottish Drone Services have uploaded on YouTube a 7 minute clip of the march introduced by Phil Webster,a Londoner living in Scotland.

I’ve never heard of Scottish Drone Services—-but I have now.Bookmarked.[smiley].

link to tinyurl.com

You know anytime I feel a wee bit doon by the lack of movement from the Scottish government on independence.

I just hop over to Colins Twitter page and realise the is a great wee country worth fighting tooth and nail for.

Here’s one of Colins wee crackers.

“Imagine if the UK had sent 100% of its revenue to the EU, got just 55% back to spend on itself, and was then told it was liable for a big chunk of EU overspend and debt interest. Imagine the anger. Yet it argues that this is fine and normal for Scotland.”

link to mobile.twitter.com

I’m a bit pissed off at Sturgeon leading us up the garden path for the last three years. Did David Cameron ask the EU for a mandate to hold a referendum, not he did not.

Sturgeon should either grow a backbone and push on with a consultative referendum or stand aside and let someone who has a spine do it.

The truth is the English are jealous of the Scots they know we invented most things and have all the natural resources in abundance and we have a glut of tractors to back the English up yes we are so brainy that when given the chance of freedom we chose to remain slaves and a black man came from America to advise us to do so obamha

Sturgeon should just clear her desk – hopefully by the end of this month.

If not, our ‘Lady Caesar’ should beware the ides of March; courtesy of AS.

Craig Levein when he was Scotland manager played a 4-6-0 team formation.

11 players on the Scotland goal line trying to defend 0-0.
No attempt to win. Letting the opponent take control of the game while sitting back defensively.

It’s like Nicola on independence. No attempt to win independence. No attempt to take the game to the opponents. All defence, trying to hang on to devolution colonial power.

Craig Levein was sacked as Scotland manager.
Nicola Sturgeon should also be sacked.

Ian Brotherhood posted a good link to an interview with Lord Salisbury, he stated that because we had the referendum in 2014, that westminster had already conceded that the people of Scotland were sovereign by agreeing to the referendum.
I remember on the lead up to the Edinburgh agreement, Cameron was never off the tv, telling us all that he wouldn’t agree to a referendum, but I aIso remember that everyone and his dog on this site and everywhere else were adamant that he wouldn’t dare refuse, because, well, because we are sovereign.
That’s not the problem though, we need to act like a sovereign nation, if we want to be treated as a sovereign nation.

@ Capella 5.15pm I was aware from reading something online that the original consultation was open to the world for comments and at that time was equally outraged , I mean do other countries eg China , Russia , India or the good old USA open consultations whereby all citizens around the world get a say on what LAWS should be implemented in that country

As I posted previously this to me is a DELIBERATE ATTEMPT to gerrymander the result of said consultation by inviting trans supporting groups from all erts and perts to FORCE Scottish people to accept this policy and law due to overwhelming skewed numbers

As I have said repeatedly on here I am not a SNP member but I am a SNP voter and I watch twatter regularly and anyone on here that thinks this is a storm in a teacup should visit twatter and see the amount of VERY angry people who have vowed they will not vote SNP due to this abomination aligned with their disgust at Nicola and the SNP’S procrastination

This is the REAL threat not the bozo

@Golfnut 10.33: I have been thinking along the same lines about an alternative to an official referendum.

A petition from the public to Holyrood instructing them to withdraw Scotland from the Union would show public support for independence if signed by enough. It would need to be Scotland-based signatories though.

How could this Scotland-residents petition be organised? In 1947-50 the Scottish Covenant demanding a devolved Parliament was signed by around 2 million. We should be able to get those numbers much more quickly nowadays even if it has to be a manuscript, not on-line, petition.

Thoughts?

@breeks

some interesting ideas but they are symbolic guestures, I cant see why bojo would take any notice. but you could argue that bojos continual refusals is helping nos2yes

it looks like sinn fein are going to win the irish ge, they have not only a mandate but a legal right to hold a ref in NI. Mary Lou Macdonald as Taoiseach will have no reason to agree to any deal for the UK. a brexit no deal looks even more likely today

organising indyref2, i cant see why not, it may be granted a s30 between now and the actual date. a legal challenge, sure, go for it, if we lose i dont think we are any further back than where we are now.

the momentum is with us. support for the snp on the constituency vote in may 2021 is at 50% and growing.

bojo can only ignore us for so long. his position is untenable

Dr Jim 2.28pm

The difference between them and now

Is that then , there were only about 100,000 English people living in Scotland

Now there are between half a million and three quarters of a million

And Scotland’s population has hardly changed

The ten yearly census is to happen this year

It will be interesting to see if they change the questions

9 February, 2020 at 2:28 pm

Much of the money to be spent on *convincing* Scotland to continue to be a colony of England will be targeted at cinema goers with adverts proudly boasting of how wonderful and prosperous our precious Union has been over the time since England has stolen everything Scotland ever produced, including large doses of how pathetic Scotland would be without Englands management of this theft

Considering how expensive it is to go to the pictures now and how shite the movies they show are, most people don’t bother going anymore and just wait until the movies come on to the Kodi box streams.

A fool and their money….

In relation to Scotland the Tories have a majority of 80 at Westminster elected on a no to indyref2 policy on their 2019 manifesto, respecting the fact the 2014 referendum was a ‘once in a generation’ vote as Salmond promised.

HYUFD said:

“DUP still has most seats and votes in Northern Ireland”

The DUP got 8 MP seats out of 18 and got 31% of the votes cast.

Source: link to bbc.co.uk

The good ship Brexitengland sets out on its maiden voyage

Captain HYFUD on deck

link to twitter.com

Question!

Why does HYUDF,a Tory councillor from Essex spend so much time here telling lies and sowing discord.

Why does he wish to cling to Scotland when he clearly thinks we are spongers?

Perhaps the truth is Scotland is the modern jewel in the crown of British imperialism.

We are too valuable to be allowed a democratic answer in my lifetime.Or can we speed things up.