Wings Over Scotland

Looks like the BBC have even put a strangle hold on their cameramen. Police estimate the turnout at 1500…..?

However did they win..? 😉

Great day in Glasgow. Well organised and family friendly. It never ceases to amaze me how diverse a cross section of people attend. Young, old, rich, poor, our movement is all encompassing. The 1500 BBC figure is just ridiculous. We were in nearly every hotel and pub near the square and there were over 1500 yessers in the bars, let alone in the square.
Personal highlight for me was the lassie interpreting for the deaf visually interpreting “ian duncan smith”

It almost looks like the BBC photographer was trying to take a picture of the building when some people with flags walked by.

I have said it before and I am happy to say it every day, but if we don’t get some form of unbiased Scottish TV news media, they will continue to eat us for breakfast.

Seven people at the “union day” rally? I have to say I’m actually surprised. Are there really that many of them left?

Dave Smith at 9.03pm……However did they win” ……….By lying.

Have to hand it to everyone at the beeb, they’ve really put on a spectacular display of UKOK bias and attack these last few years alone. It would all be perfectly fine and dandy UKOK media wise, if they weren’t trousering the licence fees of so many suckas, like me.

The streets around the event were swamped by people with flags, it was like a major football game was on, not a political rally.

Project Fear is still running on and on.

The BBC are doing what they’ve been instructed to do-disinform,twist,obfuscate,discredit,scandalise,etc,etc.

Minimalise any Independence related people or topics-project their Establishment crap till they are shut down under the trades description act.(if only).

This will not change until they are broken and irrelevant.

We need to hasten that objective as much as possible.

Let’s finish this with the only thing we have-people power.

Dry your eyes.

On your feet.

We got the end game in sight.

It ain’t over till it’s over.

Complaints made to BBC

Got the nice young man at the complaints desk to log into the DAily Record site, the the BBC, then wings

And send on the 3 links in his report to ,management

Just got back to the house in Sneck 10.15 pm. long day 6.50am train this morning.
It was a great day in Glasgow met loads of new friends,
We have no idea where the EBC got their figures, this is one of the MANY reasons we don’t give the LYING BASTA*DS a penny.
Thanks to everyone there for making it a memorable day.

At best about 3000 + were at the event today going by Glasgow webcam IMO but I suppose that BBC Labour did not have the intellectual acumen, or willingness, to be accurate as it might not suit their political agenda.

Jim Naughty and Nic Robinson are probably the most mental BBC UKOK henchman in London at least. Jakey Bird sneering at Alex Salmond, under the Botox, in a teatime news interview just before 18 Sept was another fine example of BBC gits in UKOK action.

“The National Health Service will crash within two years with catastrophic consequences unless the government orders an immediate multibillion pound cash injection, the former minister in charge of care services says.

The stark assessment from Norman Lamb, minister of state at the Department of Health until May’s general election, comes as fears mount among senior NHS officials, care providers and local authorities that NHS and care services are approaching breaking point.”

Observer, English eyes only BBC.

The BBC is desperate to save money.

I suggest they close down BBC Scotland. Nobody will notice.

Trouble ‘t mill!

link to facebook.com

Barstewards!

Another great event in Glasgow today. I really only
went to take photographs of all the wonderful and colourful people who attend these things.

As usual I was not disappointed. A super day spent with super people. Highlight for me was the arrival of the bikers. The noise thundered around the square like some primordial roaring beast.

Keep up the good work my fellow Scots….we have them on the defensive now.

@Grouse Beater (10.46) –

🙂

Typical !!! Nutters turn up when the grown ups have left the young Yin’s tae party.

By the way lovely to meet all you wingers today x

@Tackety Beets 11.12
Never been so pleased to find out I had been mislead!! (LOL)

Enjoyed the rally very much, are there political speakers anywhere else in the world as articulate, passionate and wonderful as Scottish women?

You can’t beat the on-line subscription to the Sunday Herald and National

Training Day says:
19 September, 2015 at 10:48 pm
Huge turnout of loyal British subjects at Davis Cup in loyal No voting Glasgow dwarfs miniscule rally by separatist insurgent terrorists.

Back the Brits T shirts still available.

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Was talking about this in the previous threat.
The confusion between Britain and the UK

Andy and Jamie Murray support independence, but have no problem being British as well.

Andy Murray was quoted as saying ‘I am proud to be Scottish, but I am also proud to be British. I don’t think there is any contradiction in that.’

We are never going to convince No voters to vote YES if they think part of their identity is threatened. After independence, people can still also be British in a cultural and geographical sense.

But right now if someone says has a British identity, most people assume that goes hand in hand with supporting the UK union – especially as Britain doesn’t have a flag of its own, separate from the union jack.

To get well over the 50% mark, the SNP may need to reclaim Britishness. A campaign for a better Britain or something. Independence within Britain, whatever..

To get it over to the general public, that the UK doesn’t own Britishness, and they would still have it after independence.

Hahaha – the BBC will always under-report our numbers. I wonder what they’d say about the brave fistful of unionists trying to look British and proud in a vast expanse of nothingness the day before. Nothing. They’ll not report it because it’s embarrassing. 🙂

I’ve just seen the pictures of those knuckle dragging Union Flag waving morons being cordoned by the police

This is as a direct result of Rangers Football Clubs inability to control this section of it’s support along with the Orange Order actively encouraging these racist nut jobs

If they can’t or won’t control them and Police Scotland don’t start charging them with Breach of the Peace and making arrests this will lead to severe consequences for our country
There are people out there who will take care of these folk and they are much better prepared and much more organised than this bunch, and there’s the problem

Police Scotland will need to get a grip before it starts coz guess who’ll get the blame, but it’ll be too late by then somebody will have died and we might as well fire the starting gun for Cameron’s troops excuse to quell the unruly Nationalists

This is England eh Rule Brittania, every country they touch
it makes you vomit

I posted this on the ‘why-we-wont-give-up’ page a number of minutes ago but, as it’s about today’s rally, I’ll paste it here.

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Hi Onwards (hours ago – I’m not long home from Glasgow.)

““Guy at 0:37 with the Eng-Ger-Land chants””

We stayed to the very end so we could see Gerry Cinnamon. At some point, around the back of 6, Tommy Sheridan asked for a minute’s silence to show solidarity with the refugees heading for the EU. (We were still at the site of the Wings stall, at Sir Walter Scott’s feet.)

As has been typed above, the police had a generally laid-back approach. I didn’t actually see any wandering about in our vicinity until later in the afternoon. Most were wandering around in pairs but there was an inspector (? – white band on the peak of his cap), who was wandering about on his own, blethering with the pairs – and being accosted by a Yesser who wanted a selfie with him.

Just as the minute’s silence began, a couple of individuals came into the square from the south side. One of them was obviously (going by his accent) from another, more southern part, of the UK and shouted out “ENGERLUND! Britain’s better together!”

Two pairs of our finest started walking towards them, from around 50 yards away, formed into a line of four, and ‘forced’ them back, from whence they had come. The more sober, non-shouty one, was by this time, walking backwards, dragging his ‘friend’ and shouting towards the four saviours of the silence, “We’re really sorry…”

The police corralled them right back to the street, where the pair turned and headed across the road, in front of a double-decker.

I thought, “Wouldn’t that be poetic justice.” but they, somehow, got across the road without incident.

I did hear that there were no arrests within the square, the whole day, but britnats were stopped (as mentioned in previous posts here) before they could cause disruption.

@yesindyref2

Well what an absolute jump the gun Capital Numptie am I

I saw the link and didn’t check, how thick can you be

Big sorry’s all round and thank goodness at least it wasn’t tonight and thanks for putting me straight, Me and Mrs Doc have been ranting since we saw it

What a flaming chump I am

Sunday Herald showing itself up for what it really is here:

link to heraldscotland.com

The Sunday Herald does compensate a bit, with its article by Tom Gordon, which could have been a headliner.

“THE SNP’s Westminster leader yesterday took up the challenge set by David Cameron at Prime Minister’s Questions and sent him a list of problems with Tory devolution plans.

Robertson also presented Cameron with a recent report from Holyrood’s devolution committee, which includes Tory MSP Alex Johnstone, which made similar complaints.”

If they have any sense, with their dire Hope over Fear article, they’ll make that one the top of their digital edition. and keep it there

I woke up at stupid o clock with a start,
realizing where I was thought about what had woken me,
It was the thought of a new referendum where Cameron does not assent and we go it alone,
what happens then?
all Cameron has to do is encourage (which he absolutely would) no voters to boycott it,
we end up with 80% yes and a Prime Minister daring us to declare independence, what then?

The only way a new referendum could be seen to be legitimate in the eyes of the world would be for Nicola to stand on a manifesto which says vote SNP for a mandate to go for indyref 2 without an agreement from Westminster we’re screwed!

More despicable crap from the Sun Herald. They just can’t help themselves. The ignorant, arrogant ill researched ‘reporters’ (that a laugh) trouble causers are at it again, People have to go to the ‘foreign’ Press for balanced reporting. MSM in the UK are a disgrace along with their Westminster Unionists controllers. They are more to be pity. It was the corrupt, criminal Murdoch Press who tried to bring Tommy down and deny justice. Nae chance

Most of the newspaper editors/reporters are criminals and should be in jail, along with their criminal collegues at Westminster. They feed off each other. They would do anything to sour any attainment in Scotland. They feed off each other and destroy themselves. The majority hold them in complete and utter contempt. They just make people more annoyed and angry. They are a blight on society.

There are more voters in Scotland who voted for Independence in Scotland pro rata as a %, than voted for a Referendum in Catalonia.

A majority did not vote for a Referendum in Cstalonia 2million out of 5.4 Million voters. (80% turnout?) Pop 7,5million. Another myth lost in translation.

Political Parties from other countries should do some research before giving out unrequested advice. Instead of giving unwarranted factually incorrect advice.

Comparing Independence movement in different places, without proper comparison, is not comparing like with like. A worthless comparison and occupation. Just annoying.

It is not the Spanish Gov stopping a Referedum in Catalonia. A majority in Cstalonia didn’t vote for it.

Regards Rangers fans who are hardline Brits. The club openly encourage them. They feed off bigotry. Without bigotry there is no Rangers.

While Rangers exist,bigotry exists. Hence the unfurling of Union flags at every game. No other club unfurls national flags. It’s a political statement the club make.

The Asian guy that left. Described them as tribal bigots. So there we have it. Support the club and you support bigotry. It’s like trying to claim you only go to the Orange Lodge for cheap beer. If you claim you are only supporting the football. Every penny spent on them helps maintain them and by default complete knuckle dragging anti Scottish bigotry.

The only independent verification of the size of a crowd was of course denied us by the operator of the Webcam. There are always discrepancies between parties as to numbers. You will remember the vast crowds reported last year at Army Day in Stirling which were debunked on Craig Murray’s site.

I wonder whether the Labour controlled council, the cam operator or the more secret echelons of the Unionist State stopped updating the webcam at 12:29. It reeks of “news management”.

I believe the capacity of the square is estimated at something around 15000. That seems to be the limit placed at Hogmanay. So it is not difficult with access to the webcam images to reasonably estimate a crowd. Walter’s statue is bang in the centre.

I would have said that at 12:29 the crowd was likelier to have been a little more than 1500, as the area occupied reached Walter. I would have estimated perhaps a 1/4 of the space was occupied ( perhaps more ). So 1500 is perhaps conservative.

The Rally is not stagnant. People come and go. Some for limited periods, some for longer. Any tally at any given time could be multiplied by 5 (hours) to give a more representational, accurate account, plus include the numbers in Edinburgh Rallies etc. The Millions of voters who support Independence can’t go for many reasons, logistics/financial/work obligations etc. but still support the Rallies. Hope over Fear.

Andy and Jamie Murray both support independence, at the risk of alienating a large number of their support and their sponsors. Few of us put so much on the line when we do the same.
I agree with the previous post which said we will still be British as well as Scottish after a Yes vote.
Norway, Sweden and Denmark are proud to call themselves Scandinavian, but are all completely independent.
The Irish rugby players still play in the Lions and I expect there will be similar instances in the future., when players from these islands find themselves in the same team. (Ryder Cup, Walker Cup, Davis Cup, etc.)

The crowd capacity of George Square is 15000.
link to trafficscotland.org

Folk were spread around the square in different densities, obviously packed at the front then getting thinner around that. If everybody in the square and the saltire wearers in the cafes n streets etc around, was packed into 1/4 of it, it would been rammed. So minimum 3000.

Even the 12:29? webcam shot pretty much shows that and it got busier later.

So the BBC are talking out their arse, but we all know and expect that.

I took a video of the Bikers for Yes from just inside Queen St station steps and the noise was deafening! The square behind looks packed, I showed that video to my son and then the BBC website article and he was shocked at the lying bastards!

@Nodrog 9.28am

Got to agree with you there. I’m not a massive fan of Richard Walker (too much Jeremy Corbyn sycophancy for my taste) but even I think they were out of line there.

It says in the Sunday Herald article the event’s reps had told the reporter they were not doing them any favours! Putting an advert on the front page of the newspaper for weeks on end to publicise the event counts as doing them a favour in my book. What were they thinking?!?

I’m not a great fan of Tommy Sheridan either but he worked his butt off to get a Yes vote last year and he is a rousing speaker. He has my respect for that. I wonder if he personally told the event reps to do this. I was at the event briefly yesterday and thought it was a great and peaceful demo with lots of people still very much enthused about the idea of independence.

Meanwhile, the shaddow ministerial team charged with aboloshing the House of Lords has been announced. Here’s the full list:

Lord Tunnicliff
Lord Davis
Lord Stevensen
Lord Mendlesohn
Baroness Smith
Baroness Hyter
Lord Kennedy
Lord Beeham
Lord Touhig
Lord Falkener
Lord Rosses
Lord Watson (!)
Lord Davidson
Lord Grantchester
Lord McAvoy
Baroness Jones
Lord Collins
Baroness Morgan
Lord Hunt
Baroness Sherlock
Lord Bach
Lord McKenzie
Lord Bassam
Baroness Wheeler

…all good socialists. I’m sure they’ll do a wonderful job.

Thoozands an Thoozands of People at George Square yesterday & a Large contingent of them Vile of the Vilest Cybernats & they Vile Cybernat Lurkers.

Same as BrianDTT I spoke with the Polis Inspector & Sargent, Not one arrest around the Square, normal Sat arrests outside the area of the Square.

To the many Wingers from Far & Wide, to numerus to name ( did you,s know ah hud ah bad memory JLT & Archie (N/E)lol,we,re gonna hiv tae put up a sign in board fur Wingers ( noo there,s ah idea, aw they introductions).

As is per usual Wingers got stuck in to help out, ( how many of you,s tried to lift that Donations Pail).It,ll take PeteTC a few days tae count the money.

Kendomacaroonbar
iScot Magazines £ 165.40 + 50cents ( thats the start of ma holiday fund fur Oct ha ha )the 50 cents that is.

Oonyhow am aff tae try ma Spirtle curtesy of Mrs & Mr John King ( aye we ken who,s the boss) ah Irene.

I hope everybody arrived home safely. See you,s at the next event Edinburgh 26th Arthur Graham Bell ( witherspoons) West George St 7/7.30pm.

Apologies to those Wingers who We did,nt get a chance to chat to, hectics day, Thanks Again to You,s Wonderful Wingers.

One thing that the Scottish referendum did do is make everyone aware that journalists have a political opinion, and that they use their position to force their political views on ordinary members of the public.

Given that 99.9% of these journalists are unionist, it is now easy to see why Scotland is so F’cked up.

Nice article in Bella. Covers the Unionist’s astonishing ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of their victory very well.

link to bellacaledonia.org.uk

“The reason the Unionists continue to repeat the “once in a generation” mantra is quite simple. They are no longer sure that they can win. Anger, presumption and entitlement is now replaced by fear; they are no longer certain that the Scottish people are committed to the Union…”

I guess on the 19th last year they felt presumption and entitlement. Then, when it was obvious we weren’t going to return to their good old days, they became angry. Now, it is so obvious that fear is being added to their anger.

Has anyone actually seen Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Blair in the same room, just saying like.

Looks about 100 heads across on that photo so roughly a thousand people for every ten deep.

Didnae make it. Wife going to Kenya for a couple of weeks and a house to clear in Auchterarder. Just couldnae be done.

Was informed by a friend who still watches and reads the Brit Nat Press and Media that Special Branch shredded a file in relation to kiddy fiddling amongst the UKOK Establishment and had been ordered to do it by a UKOK Minister. Oh well that doesn’t surprise. UKOK the haven for kiddy fiddlers and cradle snatchers. Just something else to hit the Naw canutes with.

I would have to say that Paul Hutcheon is relatively blameless, he investigates everything and everyone, and that’s his job. He covered the pike BT exposures for instance. It wasn’t for him to decide the front cover, general coverage of the rally, or the articles and photos the Sunday Herald / Herald puts in its digital edition. From his twitter feed it seems he discovered the huffy SH article just this morning.

Perhaps the National can properly cover the rally on Monday, where its sister paper failed so miserably today. Maybe Wingers who were there can send them some photos …

A great day in the Skwerr, good to put faces to Winger names, left my iScot mags in the Horseshoe Bar but they were still sitting on a shelf when I shot back an hour later! 🙂

Sunday Herald pathetic, no red carpet for the prima donna’s, who do they think they are?

The BBC have now released a photo of the Union day celebrations.

link to imgur.com

Karmanaut 11:54

Now call me an old cynic but that photographer looks as though he has been “photo shopped” in.

Just saw a Sunday morning TV programme where they were talking about changing the national anthem from God save the Queen
Anyone else for compiling a list of Westminster betrayals for the unionists
Possibly an hour or so in the yes bar

Echo Dave McEwan Hills Thoughts

Musings from yesterday’s rally in Glasgow and other things.

Heartened to see so many turn out (young and old mix brilliant & vibrant). ProudScotbut’s don’t have anything similar to celebrate; UKIP nutters event a complete 7 person crowd disaster.

Hardly ridiculed in any press.

Understand FM’s stance on persuasion of No voters to realise SNP competence in Govt is key, particularly from within the most extreme ‘Austerity’ controls in decades and also we can’t conflate everyday No voters with rioting idiots (largely Rangers affiliation clowns), but the suppression of reporting that regrettable part of the referendum is a stain that won’t go away until it is cleared up just how one sided, embarrassing & repressive to Scotland the Establishment control of the media is.

BBC Scotland viewing numbers & trust (like Labour North Region) must surely be in terminal decline.

Strange position taken by the SH today over exclusion from the rally back stage area and digs at T Sheridan; (cuts both ways editor).

Why does this form the basis of the report ?

Herald reporting of T Sheridan court case was particularly cutting and no doubt why restrictions were in place.

Paul Hutcheon’s style & narrative in all things suggest a real ‘hate for the world at large’ and no doubt the organisers thought ‘once bitten’ etc.

But why not just say a more in depth report was not possible due to restrictions of the press etc ?

Stick to the positive of the thousands in attendance if you are behind a cause, plenty of other papers capable of the brick batts.

Also heard about the ‘locked in syndrome’ displayed by Johann Lamont this morning.

It is clear there are workings fully functioning inside Labour North & control of their party (regarding free vote & opinion expression on Yes sympathies), but they just can’t say the words because of a sad restrictive inability to speak the bleeding obvious about a different Scotland being not only possible but desirable.

If you get a chance listen back to it online ( BBC Scotland News iplayer), it is an eye opener.

Glasgow is now the clearly YES Capital ! and Glasgow City Council know it.

I think these hours-long rallies with singers, face painters etc, have lost any political impact they may have had, partly due to people coming and going throughout the day. It’s diffusing any symbolic power the rally might have.

I’d like to see a one-hour rally starting and ending on time, with a “warm up” speaker followed by a headline speaker who makes a properly prepared speech with a central, inspiring message.

A panoramic shot of the whole square during the main speech would demonstrate the true scale of political support and an alternative head-count with photographic proof to back it up.

I look forward to being monstered for daring to suggest this “fun and frolics for all the family” approach fails to send a larger, symbolic message out to the wider world.

Big Jock says:

20 September, 2015 at 11:33 am

Britishness is bound in imperialism,religious intolerance,suppression and that Fleg. The whole point of independence is to cast that tainted cloak and move on.

Salmond was wrong regards that by the way. It was to cater for the soft Brits.
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Of course it was, and it was entirely the right approach.
Sturgeon is right too. It’s the No voters we have to convince.

Those with a 100% Scottish identity are more likely to vote YES anyway.

Like it or not, many have a part-British identity, and if they feel that is safe after independence, they are more likely to vote for it.

I honestly do think we will have a far better Scotland AND a better Britain after independence. We will have less division, and a new relationship of equals where Scottish identity and democracy will always be secure.

I’ll admit it, right now, the sight of all the union jack clad fans at the tennis for example, annoys me. But after independence it wouldn’t bother me at all.
Food branded with a British label would simply be food from the British Isles – not a political statement. Same with the British Bake-off and all the rest – They would just be TV shows. Contestants from Scotland would still take part and be part of the ‘great British public’

We need to convince people that independence would result in not just a better Scotland, but a better Britain.
If you take away the unequal political union of the UK, then many people still want to feel be part of cultural Britain.

So maybe we shouldn’t just wave YES Scotland flags and banners, but ‘YES Britain’, or ‘Better Britain’ ones.

And it would piss off the hardcore BritNats who only see Britain connected with London rule, and who try to paint us as ‘separatists’

Oh and I am not British in any way. I getting sick fed up to the back teeth being told that I am. I am a modern Scot end of and my loyalties are to Scotland and not to a warmongering British State that is stuck in the Victorian Era and longs for the return of an Empah where the sun never sets.

Oh and I heard we are on the last season of UKOK Abbey. Great reward for the canutes that voted Naw.

Craig Murray-good point to make about security passes needed for the 1st time.To me it shows the organisers as trying to learn from previous experiences in putting on events & a realisation that they needed to be more professional. Hope over Fear was very clearly a cut above previous events-a huge number of speakers & acts to fit in but they did it well & it showed.

I liked the fact that they managed to slot in Eddi Reader who was out shopping & decided to go over & volunteer to sing & that there were activities to entertain the youngsters-if the kids aren’t happy the parents don’t stay!

Capella-thanks for the RT interview with Alex Salmond link. Good interview 🙂

Too much is being made of Tommy Sheridan in this just because it suits the media agenda
These Rallies are about Scotland not one man and nobody should expect them to be professionally run affairs he’s not an events organiser or a booking agent

Tommy Sheridan is a speaker of his own opinions as are we all
that’s why there are other speakers
Whether you like the Rallies or not isn’t the point, it’s the profile that counts and that one man is trying to do that in his way, others may have done this or that differently but does it really matter, it’s the effort that counts

I personally am not a fan of the Rallies because they’re a bit amateurish but I’m there nevertheless to support the
people of our country in one cause, and let’s face it everybody’s happy nobody gets hurt and most have a damn good time

Where else can you put together an event like that where everybody is friendly and courteous to each other in their thousands with no police necessary

That in itself is a damn fine achievement so whoever runs it I say more power to them

Frogesque , great pictures – nothing better than the rev of many bikes and the smell of Castrol R !

Though I like your counting skills I don’t want us to emulate the Labour Policy of multiplication!

Thanks for the Alex RT interview. Tried to get it unsuccessfully.

Getting the book now. Looks interesting.

Ken500
Yes, a clear statement of political intent. That would never do.

Robert Peffers,

Now Robert, it’s not my pace to suggest that you may have it wrong but “Those who create businesses should be, “celebrated and supported”, surely means.

‘Gie us y’money and we’ll get you a peerage, honest’.

I reckon the big business donations stopped dead after the election,

Ken500
And in the great tradition of Scottish open mindedness, let’s not even try it. Let’s keep doing the same things over and over expecting a different result. Brilliant.

Super photos Archie [not Erchie]

As a pro indy celebration to contrast with last year’s scenes in George Sq on the 19th, yesterday’s rally was perfect. Just a happy, positive gathering of like minded folk including, at least one no voter I was aware of who has moved to yes over the past year.

That statement of hope and positivity is the reason why I travelled for two hours to get there, why my mum spent three hours travelling.

There would have been stories aplenty in that crowd had the Sunday Herald looked for them. The rally wasn’t about Tommy Sheridan, it was about the positivity of the Yes movement. Their response to press access issues at such a massive event that necessitated crowd management suggests to me that perhaps they were attending with an agenda in respect of the organisers. It’s disappointing that they reacted in the way they did.

The drop in nature of the rally suits us and I suspect many others. If it was a protest event or demonstration then having a mass of people at a particular time is obviously very important, but this was a coming together and a celebration rather than protest. As an event to normalise public political conversation and give a platform to a diverse line up of voices it was a great success.

Watch & smile as young boy takes down anti-gay preacher

link to advocate.com

I see Murray brothers against the World in the Davis cup has gone well again 🙂

frogesque says at 3:04 pm:-
“Not so much as a carp, more a mouse adrift in a very big sea. Totally out of her depth.”
Scottish Labour’s Leader Kezia Dugdale BBC Scottish Politics car crash interview:-
link to bbc.co.uk

Too many people just insulting the BBC. How can we challenge them (possibly legal action?) and bring their lies to a halt? For example, on a day like yesterday, could we get some reputable body to estimate and publish an independent estimate which demonstrates the truth. We are leaving too much space to the partisan Unionists and their servants, and then just descending afterwards to unproductive argument. Who is, or should be, in charge of media strategy? They need to go for action in rebuttal, not just words.

I see Kezia was “astonished” Is that a compulsory state of mind for Labour leaders?

She also said that 50% of children from the most deprived areas can’t read. That isn’t actually true. The term is read well by 11. That is read an age appropriate piece and be able to discern motive and underlying themes in the text.

This is from the Save the Children piece Read On Get On

Inequalities in reading ability in Scotland, compared internationally, show some recent improvement. A study of international reading showed a slight reduction in average reading scores amongst primary school pupils in Scotland between 2001 and 2006, compared to an improvement in average reading scores in many other countries.

From 2006 to 2009 Scotland’s own performance remained steady. Since 2009, Scotland’s relative position compared to OECD countries and other parts of the UK has improved, with a greater number of countries performing significantly
lower, and fewer countries performing similarly to Scotland.

In addition, international evidence suggests that the extent of the relationship between deprivation and reading performance in Scotland reduced between 2009 and 2012 and
sits around the OECD average. However, the likelihood of
disadvantage affecting a pupil’s score was similar in Scotland to the OECD average.

It is an interesting document with lot of good points about the importance of early year pre-school development too. In short no matter where you are in the world poverty, social disadvantage and parents with little interest in education themselves will result in poor achievement at school.

The big difference between the Save the Children document and Kezia is that Save the Children are interested in education whereas Kezia is interested in saying SNPbad.

Guys,

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“She also said that 50% of children from the most deprived areas can’t read. That isn’t actually true. The term is read well by 11. That is read an age appropriate piece and be able to discern motive and underlying themes”

To which Gordon Brewer then replies “we knew that already.” No wonder they sit there in their £300 million Pacific Quay glas box of grog and smirk at each other. Or why does Brewer back up red Tory girls like Kezia?

No wonder Alex Salmond, explaining to one more far right torygraph bullshtter on Question Time last week, that its really dudes like Brewer and co that are the extremists, got such a huge round of applause from the live studio audience.

To which Gordon Brewer then replies “we knew that already.” No wonder they sit there in their £300 million Pacific Quay glas box of grog and smirk at each other. Or why does Brewer back up red Tory girls like Kezia?

That should be Pacifc Quay, their £300 million glass box of grot! ios 9 even more anoying than 8.

Just reading around online news stories.

Cameron has apparently claimed in a response to Angus Robertson that all the promises made to the people of Scotland have been delivered.

One of these instances which begs the question, “who is he trying to kid?” Us, himself, the London bubble?

Cameron must be aware polling has found only 9% of Scots agree with him.

The indisputable fact that is, it will be us, the people of Scotland, who will decide if WM has delivered, just doesn’t seem to be in his mind.

I find it really difficult to understand what goes on in that guy’s mind. Period.

Rancid old The Graun getting a ticking off BTL with 579 likes too. It’s taken nary a week of JC crucified by our extremist creep show media but some are waking from their red and blue Toryboys rule the world slumber

“Ed Vulliamy, your paper and the guardian have completely blown it, I along with thousands of others now refuse to buy your shitty rag.

25 years I’ve read this paper – since I was a youngun. To put up with the spectacle of a supposedly “progressive” pair of newspapers attacking a man who had the guts to stand up against the terrible horrors of this disgusting government with principals that this paper claimed to support.

How dare they wheel you out to write this slightly condescending apology for failing to successfully piss on something that you clueless hacks don’t understand.

Your media is a zombie in the death throws, but really it died years ago.

I will never pay for another newspaper – and I will come here on CIF and continue to link to articles containing facts that debunk your dreadful spin and you will allow it, supposedly in the name of free speech but really just because you are an organ of Capital, and as Marx once pointed out “the capitalist will sell us the rope to hang him with” so keep printing your garbage – because it gives us something to push back against and the more you print the more we’ll push.

Reply Report? 10 out of 10. Must try harder though, progressive liberal Englandshire:D

Fireproofing it is you that is wrong. The original British were the Britons. They settled in South West Scotland. They were overun by the Picts and eventually the Scots. The Scots came from Eire. The British Isles describes a geographical area not a race or nationality. Most of England was Anglo Saxon who came from middle Europe. The Welsh Scots and Irish are Celts. We share The British Isles but that is just a convenient name for the islands.

Please do some research and come back. Modern day British nationality was invented post union. And there in lies the problem and why the term British cannot be used like Scandinavia. Because people like you don’t understand the difference.

Also for the record people can feel any identity they wish. However the comment that I am British whether I like it or not. Sounds hell of a like fascism to me. I dont like it, and I don’t feel British.

Anyone who tries to enforce an identity on another,has a form of insecurity about their own beliefs and identity.

@Iain More says: 20 September, 2015 at 1:33 pm:

” … Oh and I am not British in any way.

Pish!

“… I getting sick fed up to the back teeth being told that I am.

No one here told you that, Iain, but you cannot be Scottish without being British and you claim to be Scottish.

“I am a modern Scot end of and my loyalties are to Scotland and not to a warmongering British State that is stuck in the Victorian Era and longs for the return of an Empah where the sun never sets.

Mair Pish! There are five, (independent), British States.

The non-UK Republic of Ireland, The non-UK Bailiwick of Jersey, The Non-UK Bailiwick of Guernsey, The Non-UK Isle of Man and the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.

Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland and England are all British countries that comprise a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland that is a state.

Whether you like it or not your claim to be a Scot, modern or ancient, qualifies you as a Briton. There is no such state as Britain as Britain is an archipelago of many thousands of islands. Here’s a list of most of them : –

link to en.wikipedia.org

What Britain is NOT is The United Kingdom and what the Scots want independence from is the United Kingdom and that is mainly from England as many Welsh also want to leave the Union. Now will you please stop doing the Unionist’s propaganda for them?

Big Jock, “The Scots were from Eire.”

Not necessarily, BJ. The author of the monograph below still sticks to his guns:

link to electricscotland.com

Otherwise, I agree with you, I think. British is properly a geographical term but it has been so poisoned by UKOKery that I could never describe myself as such.

In whatever circumstances, I’m just a Scot.

Big Jock. We have no evidence of tribal names pre- Roman era. The Romans named them Britannia (England), the troublesome north Caledonia (Scotland) and Hibernia (Ireland). Any records from these times are either Roman propaganda or from Latin writing priests.

Can’t believe this hasn’t hit its target yet: link to indiegogo.com

Tinto. I think that’s the point I was trying to make. There is nothing British that I want to carry with me post independence.

Doesn’t help when your ancestors are from Eire in my case.

I like Tommy. He might be a flawed individual. But by God he has passion and eloquence when speaking. He is the kind of guy needed to get people extremely motivated. Very clever individual with a wry sense of humour. Fuck the Sunday Herald!

@galamcennalath

RE: Cameron

He’s playing to the balconies as usual. I suppose in a way he could be said to have delivered exactly what he promised – nothing, or rather nothing worth having. It was the meeja and the clunking fist that led people to believe that a near federal solution/devo max/FFA was on the books.

I’m sure Cameron would say – ‘I can’t help what people choose to believe’. ‘Course one thing he did promise was that ‘nothing was off the table in terms of devolution’, now on that he definitely did not deliver. What was it? Something like twenty amendments tabled during the Scotland bill debates and every single one, EVERY SINGLE ONE, was knocked back by the government/establishment party majority and that included FFA.

Nowhere to hide for either the media or Cameron. The referendum was bought on a false promise. They know it. We know it and an increasing number of those who voted for it know too.

You can’t govern on the back of a lie and not expect karma to come back and bite you on the arse eventually. The made people feel afraid and they made people feel ashamed. In my experience, people don’t like to be made to feel afraid or ashamed. Not at all. Cameron will regret that, just as Labour have.

Tick tock.

@Big Jock says: 20 September, 2015 at 6:03 pm:

“Fireproofing it is you that is wrong. The original British were the Britons. They settled in South West Scotland. They were overun by the Picts and eventually the Scots. The Scots came from Eire.”

Sorry Big Jock but it’s you who has it wrong. The old taught history is balderdash and was told as being wave after wave of invaders annihilating, or driving out their predecessors.

Modern archaeology proves this picture is basically wrong. For more than 10,000 years people have been moving into, and out of, Britain, often in substantial numbers. However there has always been a genetic continuity of the population.

Before the Romans, what became, “Britain”, was only a geographical area with no political meaning or cultural identity. Yes the British gene pool has changed but it did so far less and far more slowly than the old, ‘invasion’ theory believed. The idea of large-scale migrations has been largely discredited.

Genetic continuity of a population does not stop great cultural changes and new identities. It is common to see population cultural change, including taking on completely new identities, with little or no biological change in a population.

Even although millions of Britons since Roman times have thought of themselves as being, ‘British’, this totally false identity was only created in 1707 with the Union of only England, Wales and Scotland and that is the UK – not Britain.

Before Roman times ‘Britain’ was a geographic area with no political meaning, and no single cultural identity. This was true until the 17th century, when James I of England and VI of Scotland tried, and failed, to form a pan-British monarchy.

Throughout recorded history the main island has consisted of multiple cultural groups and identities. Many of these groupings looked overseas for their closest connections and did not connect well with fellow islanders, many of whom were much harder to reach than their neighbours in Ireland or even in continental Europe.

It is thus daft to regard Britain in isolation and we must consider it, with Ireland, as part of the wider ‘Atlantic Archipelago’, and nearer to continental Europe and, like Scandinavia, as part of the North Sea world.

This was shown when North Sea Oil saw the North Sea extensively surveyed and the discovery of what we now call, “Doggerland”, a fertile lower area than what was to become the British Isles. Then the North Sea rose and the Doggerland residents moved to the higher lands of Britain.

Here’s another wee fact – recent archaeological digs on Scottish Sea Stacks and islands revealed that the artefacts found predated those dug up on mainland Ireland. This indicates that, at best, the Scots were a tribe all around the Irish Sea and not immigrants from Ireland.

Perhaps the migration was actually in the opposite direction but common sense dictates that as the sea and estuaries were the superhighways, while the on-land area was covered by dense Caledonia Forest.

In fact, even today, there is less than 25 miles between Scotland and Ireland. Not only that but genetic testing shows that the white native Britons are more or less identical and directly linked to the ancient, Stone-Age, Britons. Our differences are thus obviously cultural rather than genetic.

Man, Male, Masculine Homo Sapien,

Scottish British Caledonian

Be what you want to be,say whatever the hell you want to say
As long as it hurts nobody else that seems OK to me

I’m Back and I’m proud ( Just thought that one up )