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  1. mumsyhugs says:

    Sad but true 🙁

  2. Andrew says:

    They would rather have Trump than Sanders. The democrats are following the Labour Party. Red Tories.

  3. Ken500 says:

    Obama/Clinton are responsible for the mass killing, maim, murder, rape, molestation and starvation of millions of innocent people. Illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion. Not given the right to basic human dignity. Crimes against humanity. Embezzling and misuse of $Trillions of public money. Bankrupting countries. Made people sick and tired and displaced. Caused the worse migration crisis in the world. Along with their associates in the UK and French Gov most of them should be in jail. Liars, cheats and greedy criminals. Along with their sycophant Press and misreporting. Lower than low, They could not stoop lower. ‘Psycho bastards’.

    The American people made their choice, which should be respected. On balance Trump told the truth.

  4. Alastair says:

    Nice one Chris.
    Meanwhile Donald Trump has a 16th December Court date accused of rape of then 13 year old girl at socialite sex party.
    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-rape-accuser-gets-dec-16-court-date-f/

  5. Stoker says:

    They haw they haw they haw to have known better….

    ((((( TAXI )))))

    Sorry, i’ll just get my coat.

  6. Croompenstein says:

    Sadly true Chris and they let in the horse”s arse..

  7. Effijy says:

    There’s no fool like and old Mule!

  8. Ken500 says:

    Obama/Clinton are warmongering criminal mass murderers. Responsible for deaths and maining of millions of people. Causing the biggest migration crisis in Europe.. They have embezzled €Trillions of public money.and tried to start a 3rd world war. They have disrespect for human rights and common basic dignity, Causing sickness, homelessness and distress to millions of people. They are craven habitual liars and the arch enemy of the people. They have caused bankruptcies in America, and all around the world. Bankrupted their country. Renegade on their broken promises, The lowest of the low for corporate corruption. Broken International Law. They have total disrespect for the rule of Law. Lied, cheated and used extortion and corruption to win elections. Encouraged their terrorism all around the world. The corruption of elite of abuse of power in Washington.

    The American people made their democratic choice and that should be respected. On balance Trump told the truth and the American people responded.

    Obama/Clinton are hated all around the world. They have betrayed nations and human rights and dignity. Along with their sycophantic, misreporting Press associates and their associates in the UK and French Gov. Most of whom should be in jail for crimes against humanity.

  9. Alan Mackintosh says:

    https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/797347582565552128

    Warning, do not have mouth full of tea or toast when watching…

  10. Ken500 says:

    Never has there been so much misreporting and confused total lies in the Press. How low can they go? Can they go any lower? A total corporate mess, Total unreadable, unreasearched out of touch nonsense. A new low?

    Sky (fake news) even complaining about fake ‘News’ on the Internet, They are becoming a corrupt caricature. A parody of themselves.

  11. Grouse Beater says:

    Surprising, Chris, to learn Sanders – the man arguing the case for the poor, the rural, the disenfranchised as well as middle class – polled more than Hillary yet didn’t get the nomination, a grave error of judgement by Democrats.

    And once all the votes are counted it looks as if Hillary polled one million more votes than Trump, but the odd US Electoral College scuppered her election.

    Chilling – I keep seeing uncanny similarities between Trump and Mussolini.

    Your weekend reading:

    Trump – now what? http://wp.me/p4fd9j-b61
    A sci-fi movie: http://wp.me/p4fd9j-b9I

  12. dakk says:

    ‘From now on you’re an ass’

    Nice one Chris.

    Ass or ‘Fanny’as they say in the US might be equally appropriate 🙂

  13. Stoker says:

    OK, folks, here’s the chance to start targeting corrupt councils.
    What better way than to start with our oil capital. 😉

    Please help if you can.

    The Alternative Legacy
    http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/alternative-acc-legacy-report

  14. ahundredthidiot says:

    John Pilger…’ nine out of the ten top arms manufacturers in the world funding Clinton’

    …and some people think Clinton would be better than Trump.

    Funny.

  15. t42 says:

    trump to scrap ttip. obama tries to rush through ttip in his last few months in office.
    trump to scrap nato. obama tries to start wars in his last few months in office.

    #vilepopulism

  16. ahundredthidiot says:

    Grouse beater

    on Sanders…..it’s called ‘leverage’

  17. Grouse Beater says:

    Ahundredthidiot: “and some people think Clinton would be better than Trump.”

    Safer.

  18. ahundredthidiot says:

    Grouse beater

    Nostradamus now are you.

    Safer – don’t make me laugh.

  19. Ken500 says:

    There are similarities between Obama/Clinton and Hitler. Craven disgusting criminal mass murderer who try to illegally stifle any opposition. Greedy craven criminals, along with their associates in other Government. Pitting people!s against people against the international interest. What an example to the world. It’s not Nationalism, sweeping the world. It’s getting rid of corrupt International Gov and their cronies who provoke and support terrorism. So nations can live in peace and harmony.

  20. ahundredthidiot says:

    Ken500

    Keep the noise down would you…you can’t talk about peace and harmony…what about all those good old boy jobs in the military industrial complex? the arms manufacturers?

    no, no, be quiet please, roll out Clinton and her backers for the next round of chaos, murder and mayhem. instruct the owned MSM to sell the party line to the gullible masses and…oh, wait…

  21. Grouse Beater says:

    Ahundredthidiot: Safer – don’t make me laugh.

    Talent agent “now are you”?

    There’s no relief in ‘safer’.

  22. Ken509 says:

    Obama/Clinton and their associates rotten to the core, useless and corrupt, International bullies Disgusting individuals. They should be locked up for public safety. A menace to society. “Pycho bastards’. Some of the worst criminals in American history. Pull the plug on them and their bloodletting. The American people have spoken and made their decision. Good luck to them.

  23. Bob Mack says:

    Now that is kicking an ass——— when it’s down.

    Re media, I found a site yesterday which analyses the on line habits of users. Very informative, but perhaps the best piece of information was that 85% of all UK population still relies on TV for its’ main news. That is what we are up against.

    We have to find a way to combat this

    Usual brilliant cartoon Chris. Uncle Sam should also be pointing fingers at himself.

  24. Bob Mack says:

    I just love the way the aptly named poster believes that Trump, an individual he knows absolutely nothing about is somehow preferable to Clinton. It is like picking between identical dogs. One of them has already bitten you, but you look at the other one which is already snarling and growling at you, and think this is the one you would feel safer with !
    Unbelievable.

  25. galamcennalath says:

    Maybe it’s time for the Republican elephant to pack its Trump and say goodbye to the circus? Off she went with a trumpety-trump, Trump, trump, trump.

    Was the original 1956 version a premonition of events sixty years later?

  26. ahundredthidiot says:

    Good cartoon

    But for me it goes like this.

    Sanders got shafted by DNC colluding with MSM to undermine him so Clinton gets in front, wikileaks leads to a resignation.

    Sanders goes on attack, wikileaks show Podesta inclined to remind him of leverage. Sanders backs off due to potential blackmail and even backs Clinton because of it.

    Common theme here is what the American people have now worked out. Clinton. She’s the Ass. Putting herself before her party and now Trump is in the white house. That’s what ones desire for their place in history will get you.

    have we forgotten Blair and Iraq so quickly.

  27. Robert Peffers says:

    @Bob Mack says: 12 November, 2016 at 9:50 am:
    “Usual brilliant cartoon Chris. Uncle Sam should also be pointing fingers at himself.”

    It is an anatomical truth, Bob Mack, that anyone pointing their finger at someone else has three of their other fingers pointing back at themselves.

  28. Bob Mack says:

    @Robert Peffers,

    “FINGERS”. With an S.

  29. Grouse Beater says:

    Ahundredthidiot: “Common theme here is what the American people have now worked out. Clinton. She’s the Ass.”

    So, what’s your solution to the new state of affairs? Is there a different way forward to stop people turning in on themselves?

  30. ahundredthidiot says:

    Grouse

    At the moment there are a few demos in US, kids mostly, young adults. Now, imagine Clinton had won and those demos were attended by mostly white gun owning males in their forties, pissed off with nothing to lose as their work pay goes down, job security out the window, the price of everything goes up and who’s kids have poor job prospects. they now realise the futility of the American Dream.

    The clash of ideologies has begun as people start to realise that capatilism has eaten itself alive.

    Do I have a solution? well, everybody wants to rule the world, don’t they….

  31. Ken500 says:

    Criminal Clinton illegally removed Sauders from the ballot. Would they have been better with a continuance or a clean break and a transfer over of power out of the stinking rotten swamp. Split? but not likely. Clinton financed by every criminal on the planet. The end result is probably a cleaner/break solution. Pay by Muslims to kill Muslims, using the US military as mercenaries. 10 years of it. It just stinks to high heaven. Every way but loose. A clean break might be better.

    There are reports the demonstrators are being bussed in. Funded by George Soros who funded Clinton and funds Amnesty International. Clinton’s last stand and last parting shot. She is a really, really bad person.

  32. Dan Huil says:

    Seems the Trump chump is already backtracking on his more outlandish promises. That will upset his more, ahem, enthusiastic supporters.

  33. heedtracker says:

    The right will destroy us all eventually.

    FT.

    Britain’s Brexiters have seized on the election of Donald Trump, arguing that it offers the chance to strengthen ties with the US, in an echo of the partnership forged decades ago between Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.

    Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has depicted Mr Trump’s victory as “a great opportunity”, emphasised the possibility of a post-Brexit trade deal, and called for Europe to snap out of its “general doom and gloom?…?and collective whingearama” following this week’s election.

  34. louis.b.argyll says:

    Top satire, the eyes have it, shame and anger.

    As we’re seeing, a tiny grain of compassion to Obama’s protection of family health..allows talk of the wall to continue on the other hand.

    The Republican Party has had far more dangerous and extreme ‘influencers’ than Donald Trump. None made president, but they have made warmongers rich and religeous right wing friends powerful.

    Like Brexit, Trump hasn’t been triggered yet. Let’s hope it’s not a machine gun.

  35. Absolutely terrific piece by Wee Ginger Dug in today’s national.

  36. Hamish100 says:

    Surely the “Ass” are those who did not vote because they did not like Clinton.
    Likewise

    The excuse merchants who didn’t vote snp because they didn’t like Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon.

    The stay at homes who couldn’t be bothered.

    When Indyref2 comes our way getting the stay at homes voting for Indy will mean success. Lets use postal votes for these folk as the tories do all the time when visiting the care and rest homes before elections.

  37. Clootie says:

    I think we should keep quite as a nation given that parties selected David Coburn, Kezia Dugdale, Willie Rennie…and people voted for them!

  38. ahundredthidiot says:

    We can also use Trump to help deliver Scotland’s independence.

    He will attack it big time. Good.

    I already have No voter number 9 Swithering.

  39. Breastplate says:

    It’s been over a year since the world found out about Aylan Kurdi.
    Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the 3 year old being washed up on the beach.
    Clinton can’t say the same thing.

    So pardon me if I don’t take anybody seriously who claims Clinton and her regime are not utter fucking nuts.

    Trump may change things, he may not but one thing is certain in my mind, things need to change.

    I don’t have a problem with anti-Trump comments but it would be fantastic if people could drop the hysteria and add a large dose of objectivity.

    Pretty please with sugar on top.

  40. Dr Jim says:

    My name is Donald Trump and I’ve just bought the presidency of the United States

    But you’ll all end up paying for it

  41. heedtracker says:

    BBC Politics
    17 mins ·
    Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn is to compare Donald Trump to the Conservatives, saying neither offer solutions.”

    Ooh, that must really hurt. From JC, el presidente or vice president of CND for decades. As soon Corbyn gets a sniff of real power, he reneges on everything CND stands for and backs Trident 2.

    Red or blue, the toryboy arsewipes will be the end of us:-(

  42. I think it should be the donkey saying to Uncle Sam,”I might be a donkey but it’s you who is the real ass”.

  43. Bob Mack says:

    @Breastplate,

    Hysteria ? The guy has a nacissistic personality disorder. We should be hysterical given he has just been put in charge of the most powerful country in the world.

    No doubt you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but in this case I know better.

    The last major world leader to have this similar type of personality was Stalin.

  44. Ken500 says:

    Google Alexander Boris Jonston. Look at the calibre of the UK Foreign Secretary. The Criminal Brexiteer. Many politicians have lie to win elections. Some are compulsive liars. Trouble is they always get found out and get elected out. A dangerous game.

    Trump is in administration/power with 500 elected people who have more consolidated power than him. It is States Law that covers most people’s lives in the US. Federal System. Similar (with exception) to the EU but smaller. How many US States plan to leave the Federation? Farague is chapping. He is not a US citizen and doesn’t have a vote for any kind of office in the UK.

    There are Senate elections in the US every two years. Anyone who wants to vote against Trump can change their mind and do it then. Trump has two years, May has two years, Nicola has two years To deliver.

    Trump, Johnston et al do not have a vote on Scottish Independence. Just as people in the UK have no vote in the US, and won’t consider to intervene? They might have an opinion which can change.

    Vote SNP/SNP May 2017. Vote for Independence

  45. Undeadshaun says:

    Off topic

    See torys have stall on local high Street today with petition against indyref2.

    Mostly old people who were signing it.

  46. Breastplate says:

    Bob Mack, we’ve had this discussion already.
    The future is not my domain. Trump may very well in the future be just as bad as the rest but right in the here and now Trump has no blood on his hands.

    Also, let’s be clear. You do not know better, you are by all means allowed to think you do.
    Please do not state what you think will happen in the future as fact, it makes you look foolish.

  47. Bob Mack says:

    I suggest anyone who thinks that Mr Trump could be reigned in by Congress should look at article 2 of the American Constitution. This man has been handed enormous power, which he will most certainly use.

    The Presidents ability to initiate military action without consultation for up to 60 days remains and indeed was only changed to that time limit after the deceptions in Vietnam.

    Mr Trump also has the power if he wished to veto or suspend Congress. No President has been daft enough to try,but what about Donald?

  48. Stoker says:

    Clootie wrote on 12 November, 2016 at 11:17 am:

    “I think we should keep quite as a nation given that parties selected David Coburn, Kezia Dugdale, Willie Rennie..”

    Aye, Clootie, gless hooses, pots-n-kettles an aww that, eh!
    🙂

    Psst, that wee smiley face is blushing something chronic btw.

  49. Robert Peffers says:

    O/T but must be noted.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/wembley-violence-scotland-vs-england-match-marred-by-shocking-scenes/ar-AAkclpM?li=BBrN4i3&ocid=spartandhp

    The truth, though, is contained at the end of the item :-

    “One person was arrested in Trafalgar Square on suspicion of common assault, while a second was arrested at Baker Street station on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly, police said.

    Police were unable to confirm if anyone was arrested at the stadium.”

    BTW: The police do not state from what country those two arrested persons came from.

  50. Ken500 says:

    What is incredible is the fact that Clinton had the out of touch , arrogance, conceit and total non self awareness, to run. The electorate ran the other way.

    The MSM still keep on spinning and lying in total unaware arrogant, out of touch total non self awareness.

    MSM Compulsive liars. They are lying about everything that Trump said.

    Useless Corbyn now. Give it up. Corbyn the compulsive Labour liar. Psycho liars. ‘Jeremy Corbyn the new Trump’ Could there be any more complete nonsense than that?

  51. Breastplate says:

    Bob, I understand that some people believe that directly after the inauguration, Trump will wrestle the military aide carrying the nuclear football to the ground in an attempt to press the big red button. I on the other hand am quite prepared to believe that he won’t.

  52. galamcennalath says:

    Trump, Brexit, UK gutter press … the descent into xenophobic blood and soil nationalism and the violence associated with that type of thinking, is getting worse. This is shocking …

    Police have told Gina Miller … to avoid public spaces for her own safety. The millionaire businesswoman … has been told it is unsafe for her to go outside after her family was targetted with abuse. The 51-year-old complained to police after her children faced verbal attacks ….

    This is becoming totally unacceptable.

    Perhaps she should consider moving to Scotland. We have our loony fring too, but it seems to becoming mainstream in South Britain!

    http://archive.is/wz77g

  53. Dorothy Devine says:

    Breastplate , I am with you on this.

    The choice offered the American people was incredibly awful but to choose a Clinton would have been the worst choice.

    From ‘ dodging sniper fire in Kosova’ , to Benghazi embassy and ‘we came , we saw , he’s dead Ho! ho!’ – the woman is just as deranged and dangerous as those who went before her.

    Trump may surprise folk ,certainly the words he uttered about leaders around the world give me hope of change and we will all have to wait and see if they were only words.

    I have great difficulty with the plethora of anti Trump articles in our media – not a word agin’ Hillary , just a nice picture of her in the great outdoors with her grandchild and daughter ‘ just a day after her defeat ‘ as though she had had some sort of massive life saving surgery and was bravely , braving the elements.

    I would love to know , in a country where folk are living out of dumper trucks , just how much the hideous debacle cost – money talks right enough.

  54. Bob Mack says:

    @Breastplate,

    He would not require to wrestle the military aid to the ground. The American President is the Commander in Chief of ALL American military. The aide would simply hand him the box.

  55. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Obama/Clinton are responsible for the mass killing…”

    The focus of the cartoon is the Democratic Party, not the US electorate. The criticism is of the party for choosing the wrong candidate. It appears you agree with that criticism, so what’s your beef?

    “The American people made their choice, which should be respected.”

    Absolutely.

    “On balance Trump told the truth.”

    This, however, may be the stupidest thing any human has ever said.

  56. heedtracker says:

    “The American people made their choice, which should be respected.”

    Absolutely.

    “I love the poorly educated!” Trump roared at Nevada. He lost Nevada.

  57. Breastplate says:

    Rev, Chris did get it spot on.

  58. Smallaxe says:

    Well done Chris:

    I knew something wasn’t right when I did not cry and then I laughed and laughed until I cried.

    Peace Always

  59. Luigi says:

    Sure, the Democrats were asses, but the role of the american MSM should not be underestimated. The media turned what should have been a grown-up, serious political debate into a dumb reality show. The Reality King won.

    Anyone surprised, I mean really?

  60. heedtracker says:

    Graun tories say,

    http://archive.is/L5dWb

    Foreign policy
    Brexit and Trump could leave UK stranded between estranged allies
    US election result may prompt EU to drive a harder bargain with UK, or it may decide that a quick and dirty deal is a necessity

    and,

    Prince Harry: the ‘grown up’ royal taking the fight to the tabloids
    The young prince has been in the spotlight this week, as papers discovered his relationship with actress Meghan Markle”

    Look at us everyone, we’ve got nukes, royals, and a special relationship.

  61. Stu – based on your opinion and what you have said about Clinton as the Democrats’ choice, are you indicating that you would have voted for Trump in the same circumstances? To my eyes you are saying that a vote for Trump, in the circumstances of who the Democrats chose, was justified. I do not accept your argument.

  62. Ken500 says:

    The baised Tory Royals who indulge in illegal wars blowing the Middle East to bits. Killing and maiming million of innocent people. Out of touch sense of entitlement. Multimillionaires. They even try to control the Press. Their constitutional remit is to be totally impartial, which they absolutely do not honour.

    Who told the truth is a matter of opinion? The Press take everything totally out of context and are continuing to do so. Miss reporting comment. That is why many website are so successful in garnishing opinion.

  63. galamcennalath says:

    Turning attention away from the Democrats to the UK’s own Lib Dems, I see there is a conference motion calls for “all options” to be open after Brexit vote.

    I wonder if they are serious about ALL options, or is it ALL within the UK as they fantasise about federalism.

    IF (massive if) they pass a motion as being open to Indy, as a last resort, then that would be welcome. I hae ma doobts !

  64. Valerie says:

    Just read a piece in the Independent, saying Trump is already making noises he is not sympathetic to funding the alleged ‘moderate rebels’ in Syria any more.

    Everyone by now must be able to agree that for the last 5 years, Syria is a regime overthrow, led by USA, and backed by the West. It’s Syrians that have paid the highest price, and if Trump withdraws the money and firepower from Syria, and truly focuses on Da’esh, that has to be a win.

    I think the real danger from Trump is for Americans themselves, because it’s the right wing nutters, he will have to rely on, like Palin, Giuliani and Pence. These are the folk that will know how to operate him for their own ends.

    I have to say whilst Trump horrifies me, what I find really repugnant, is everyone in the UK acting like they have never heard this type of stuff here!

    They are acting as if the Brexit filth never happened, or they don’t know about hatred peddled by our MSM.

    The hypocrisy here is rank.

  65. Bob Mack says:

    Does anyone on this site actually believe that the American public was down on Hillary due to her foreign policy ?

    I think not. The USA has been bombing ,robbing and disenfranchising nations for the last 5 decades with only limited public admonishment at home. They do not care who the President bombs as long as it is said to be justified.

    That is the problem now. Hillary is seen as the Establishment but Donald has promised them what ? No immigrants , no Muslims, America first, trade deals cut.A fresh look at defence and allies. A new beginning with their country at the forefront.
    Sound familiar ?

    We could go on and on. He has offered them radical solutions to major issues. He has appealed to the dark selfish xenophobic in the masses and it worked. Now he has to deliver. No iffs,no buts.

    Yet ,apparently we should give him a chance

  66. Breastplate says:

    Dorothy Device, it would be great if there was a positive influence on American foreign policy by Trump or absolutely anyone for that matter.
    If the American electorate wanted to occupy the moral high ground they wouldn’t have voted for the republicans or the
    Democrats.
    Many people seem to be able to think the worst of Trump and the best of Clinton.
    I believe their using separate yardsticks on both candidates.Consistency is needed and people should be comparing the worst of Clinton with the worst of Trump or the best of both.
    It is my opinion when people lose sight of this, they do themselves and everyone else a disservice.

  67. Breastplate says:

    Devine.Sorry Dorothy

  68. heedtracker says:

    The baised Tory Royals who indulge in illegal wars blowing the Middle East to bits.

    I listened to grown up, super rich and very Prince Harry yesterday, read out the great English war memorial “If I should die, think only this of me: That there’s some corner of a foreign field. That is for ever England.” on BBC r4 especially, introed by Eddie Mair, £400k a BBC year, most happy groveling to our chums in the south.

    What about the Scots soldiery that sacrificed everything, 2016?

    This week, at end of BBC Question Time, our English chums groaned and moaned like the constipated, when the word “Scotland” was mentioned, by the rather special SNP MP panelist Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh.

    Oaaaah, aaaah, ooaawah ooooh, “Scotland,” you lost, shut up and go away.

  69. Breastplate says:

    Bob, American domestic policy doesn’t interest me in the least.

  70. Bob Mack says:

    @Heedtracker,

    If you read the next few lines of that poem by Rupert Brooke he writes of the rich soil being further enhanced for having English dead buried in it. Ffs.

    Noble sentiments for ignoble reasons.

  71. Bob Mack says:

    @Breastplate,

    I gathered that. You think everything works in isolation. Little compartments that never intrude into other areas of policy.

    Watch what happens when America needs oil. ? Sorry,did you miss that bit ?
    The Middle East didn’t.

  72. Thepnr says:

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

    Abraham Lincoln

    Might be some truth in that. Good toon Chris.

  73. Breastplate says:

    Bob, that’s when it spills over into foreign policy we feel the effects

  74. Bob Mack says:

    @Breastplate,

    You seem unable to grasp that most foreign policy is set as a result of domestic need. Why is that ?

  75. heedtracker says:

    Bob Mack says:
    12 November, 2016 at 1:48 pm
    @Heedtracker,

    You’d need to be a poet to even begin to express the whole staggering WTF of it all, as the grown up Prince Harry recited.

    It is another country, what runs Scotland, and that’s probably why some of what they say and do is so weird. And its a country that is profoundly tory too.

    eg,

    Rancid The Graun in trolling action of it’s Scotland region of greater England today,

    http://archive.is/oWjpf

    Josh Halliday North of England correspondent
    Friday 11 November 2016 17.06 GMT

    Kenya
    British aristocrat shown cocaine haul he is accused of trafficking in Kenyan court
    Jack Marrian, grandson of sixth Earl Cawdor, appeared visibly distressed as 100kg of class A drug was displayed at Nairobi trial”

    Fair enough this is a faux centre left national British broadsheet, hellbent on stopping Scottish democracy, but is there really no news for their Scottish readers today? How about Scots in the USA’s Trump reaction? Nothing.

  76. Bob Mack says:

    Most foreign policy is set to fulfill domestic need.

    Trade deals,defence.alliances ,all come from domestic policy requirements. They are bound and mutual.

  77. Breastplate says:

    Bob, I’m not denying the relationship but I feel it would be wrong to get involved before it has been shown to have detrimental effect on us.
    Does that not seem logical to you?

  78. heedtracker says:

    BBC Politics
    47 mins ·
    After coming under criticism for arranging an interview with the president of the National Front in France, Andrew Marr Show editor Rob Burley defended this decision.”

    Why not though? Purely logical BBC choices. Like how Jim Naughty and his Pacific Quay rammed a UKIP nutcase like Coburn down our vile sep throats, Farage is never off the box, the UKIPster what said Sturgeon should have her mouth and legs taped shut, all given hours of BBC air time.

  79. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “are you indicating that you would have voted for Trump in the same circumstances?”

    The best way to know what I’m saying is always to look at what I actually say, rather than making stuff up.

  80. carjamtic says:

    The three men they claim they admired the most,
    Have headed for the coast.

    Donkey’s left to reflect the loss,
    And a diet of clowns and candy floss.

    #collectingmoonbeamsinajar

  81. Vestas says:

    There’s a decent chat over at The Intercept on US presidential political fallout :

    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/12/dissecting-a-trump-presidency/

  82. Stoker says:

    Rev wrote over on WOS Twitter:

    “Got me a Netflix trial. Time for a Black Mirror overdose.”

    Just finished watching the lot on Thursday. Oink! Oink!
    🙂

  83. ben madigan says:

    @ Ken500 who wrote “The MSM still keep on spinning and lying in total unaware arrogant, out of touch total non self awareness”.

    I’m not entirely sure this is true. The MSM, polls etc serve to “nudge” people along a certain voting path in an attempt to get the vote that best serves their masters/owners. They know all about the psychological pressure exercised by constant advertising.

    https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/trump-triumphs/

  84. K1 says:

    Thanks for that Vestas. One of the salient points that struck me of the many that were discussed in that podcast was this notion of the ‘transition’ being the ‘democracy’ marker in the US when one administration hands over to another even if they have completely opposing views. The point one of them made was how that message is the one POTUS is focusing on during these protests against Trump’s victory.

    The difficulty though is that this particular candidate aided and abetted by mainstream journalism was given a platform to incite hate and divisiveness that has terrified large parts of the American population. So, should ‘they’ now just ‘accept’ what was completely ‘unacceptable’ and more saliently the POTUS himself suggested that Trump was such a terrible prospect in light of his aides having to take his twitter account away from him, how could he be considered responsible enough to be given the nuclear codes?

    That’s some level of cognitive dissonance from the POTUS and any democrats that are saying ‘give him a chance’? So is it therefore right to continue to protest and take whatever actions (peacefully and actively fighting against his presidency and the rise of the far right that this has emboldened within the US) necessary that people see fit in light of the utter hatefulness that his candidacy promoted?

    I think they have a legitimate right to protest. Ah wouldnae advocate violence (it seems the violent stuff is coming from Trump supporters), but it seems to me that it is the ‘correct’ response from those who he has actively threatened and has garnered groups such as the KKK as advocates of his message, who are now ‘acting out’ what they now see as a ‘legitimate’ agenda to persecute those that Trump has pointedly stated are the ‘enemy’. He has in effect put American citizens (documented and undocumented) into a state of fear.

    And what is remarkable is that they have no one representing them at the higher levels of government, no one is prepared to make the very point that he is ‘still’ that dangerous and unstable individual that he was before Tuesday, when they too were loudly rejecting his narrative, but now that his is POTUS elect? They are circling the wagons to protect the hierarchy of the institution but none of them has come forward to challenge Trump to unreservedly apologise and denounce what is being ‘acted out’ in his name.

    This takes me to the wider global governments’ response. We know there was/is a ‘general’ concern about Trump. Some have expressed opinions and others not and I noted yesterday/the other day on here many were criticising Nicola for making comment at all, in her support of Clinton etc. I’ve not read it yet but Kevin McKenna has an article, the headline is unambiguous, he also thinks that she has erred in this regard.

    This is where ah part company from those who ‘view’ it as a faux pas on Nicola’s part.

    I see an individual prepared to retain a consistent position in her political values who recognises ‘danger’ when she sees it. She will not ‘align’ and neither should she with a demagogue. Neither for expediency or a ‘favourable’ view from the new ‘King’ should she ever bow and lose her integrity. People have spoken about this as if Trump’s vindictive and shallow and has no ‘favourable view’ of our cause. Here’s the thing I could give two fuck’s what his view is of our cause. He is not the decider of my fate.

    We could all do to learn from the past, those that meekly stood by and appeased the rise of dictators allowed those dictators to crush their own populations’ will because of (corrupt) trade deals and non interference (when it suited). But the stinking hypocrisy of those that suggest that Nicola Sturgeon keep her mouth shut in terms of her preference in any kind of ‘working relationship’ with a new POTUS are the very same people who fail to see that they are being played with by the same ‘elites’ who on the one hand say ‘don’t vote for her/him’ cause they are bastards and in the very next breath say ‘oh get over it, give them a chance’.

    Their aim has always been the same ‘divide and conquer’. Well, congratulations those that have a ‘beef’ about Nicola stating an opinion, you just fell into an old trap…what you missed was a human being with integrity calling a bastard a bastard…and meaning it.

    I think the popular vote (irrespective of Clinton the corrupt one) legitimises the protesters and if POTUS and POTUS-elect don’t start acknowledging the very real harm that has been caused by Trumps invective. The good ole’ YooEssofAy will implode. They are hugely underestimating the fight back. Much like us in Scotland, those of strong values and good intent know danger when they see it and they are fighting for their freedom to have their values upheld too.

  85. K1 says:

    I have literally just seen this on Washington Post:

    ‘They came in their thousands — the children of immigrants, transgender individuals, women and men of all different ages and races — to demonstrate against President-elect Donald J. Trump on Saturday in New York.

    Some held handwritten signs like, “Show the world what the popular vote looks like.” The throng chanted, “Not our president!”

    In one of the largest anti-Trump demonstrations since his election on Tuesday, a mass of people marched from Union Square in downtown New York to Trump Tower, the headquarters and home of Mr. Trump.’

    The peaceful protests are spreading through all the big American cities, not just NY.

    http://archive.is/aM0GS

  86. K1 says:

    Oops…New York Times actually.

  87. Cactus says:

    In Meh-Key-Co they call it a ‘Pinata..’ it’s got stuff inside.

    All the ring-master needs is his club.

    Nice ass, si.

  88. Should do one for SLAB. That’s the only way they are going to get hee haw. 🙂

    BTW Read somewhere that Putin has made Trump an honorary Cossack. Maybe the SG could follow suit and make him an honorary Bawsack.

  89. Big Jock says:

    Poppies are just an excuse for the British state to appear pious to the world.

  90. Ben Taylor says:

    It’s a sad truth. But hopefully Trump won’t target these innocent immigrants who also worked and contributed for the country. Everybody’s useful anyway.



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