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Wings Over Scotland
Hi Wings,
we've added you to our bloglist and hope you can add us to yours? Thanks for the comment,
alba gu brath
BC
Bella Caledonia
Cheers! You’ve been on ours for over a week now…
RevStu
Could Scots do this?
Jim Chalmers
Someone named Ian posted a snippet in the telegraph, from your post on Alan Cochrane’s hypocrisy WRT gaulitergate, only to have it “disappeared” with 30 minutes by the principal. Not even the usual “moderated” flag. The whole the just never existed, I guess.
Alan didn’t like it.
The truth hurts, I guess.
Christian Wright
Here is a wee potted Scottish History
Use it if you wish.
I leave it in just plain text.
Do not post it on NNS, though you may post a link there back to on your own site.
Keep up the good work.
A Very Bad Marriage.
Scotland had only really became a settled and united country since 1237 with the Treaty of York. The agreement between the Scottish & English monarchs settled
the Scottish/English borders. Then, in 1263 the Scots defeated the Norwegians at Largs and, in 1266, Norway ceded The Western Isles to Scotland with the Treaty
of Perth. However, by 1292 when Scotland had tragically ended up with a crisis of royal succession, when Alexander III died at Kinghorn and was succeeded by
Queen Margaret, (Maid of Norway). Then, in 1286, the Maid of Norway was drowned in a shipwreck as she arrived in Scotland and the rough wooing began.
Scotland asked her next door neighbour, King Edward I, to help solve the problem of the disputed line of succession. Next door saw a chance for a marriage
between the two countries, (in those days the husband inherited ALL the wife's goods & chattels, (and the wife became a mere chattel too). Edward I granted the
Scottish crown to John Balliol, at Norham on Tweed, in England, in 1291, and he, “Toom Tabard”, (empty coat), was crowned King of Scotland in 1292. In 1295
Robert Bruce, (grandfather of King Robert), died and King John Balliol signed a treaty with King Philippe IV of France and began, “The Auld Alliance”. A promise
between them of mutual help to fight the English aggressor. In 1296 King Edward took revenge for that treaty by destroying Berwick and slaughtered most of its
15,000 population. The Scots were then defeated by English defenders of Dunbar Castle at the Battle of Dunbar and King Balliol abdicated at Montrose. Also, in
1296, Edward I removed The Stone Of Destiny on which generations of Scottish Monarchs were crowned. Later, in 1296, Edward I summoned all Scottish
landholders to a parliament at Berwick to sign what is known as, “The Ragman Roll”.
However, these things did not go down too well in Scotland and some fought back. By September 1297 William Wallace defeated the English at the Battle of Stirling
Bridge and a letter, sent by Wallace, and the Earl of Moray, to the Mayors of Lubeck and Hamburg said, “The Kingdom of Scotland has, by God's Grace,
recovered by battle from the powers of the English”.
In 1298 King Edward I was avenged by defeating the Scots, led by Wallace, at the Battle of Falkirk. This was the first use by the English of, “The Longbow”. In
1301 Edward I was lodged at the Convent of the Dominicans(Black Friars), at Glasgow's High Street, but the Scottish resistance continued and, at the battle of
Roslin, in 1303 a Scots army of 8,000 routed an English army of 30,000 led by Sir John Seagrave. Also in 1303 France & England made peace which released more
English forces to attack Scotland and in 1304 Stirling Castle, (the last of the free Scottish Castles), was captured by Edward I. The following year William Wallace
was betrayed and handed over to the English. Wallace was brutally executed in 1305. Then, in 1306 one of the most significant events in Scotland's history happened
when Robert Bruce murdered the Red Comyn on the alter steps of the High Kirk of Dumfries. This effectively settled the succession question but was to have terrible
consequences. King Robert was outlawed and hunted. The Pope, the international authority of those times, urged on by King Edward I, had King Robert I
excommunicated. With Scotland's King an ex-communicant, so also was the entire Scottish nation. The Pope ordered that every church service held in England were
to read out a curse upon Scotland. King Robert I fought back and one by one the English held castles were won back for Scotland. In 1307 King Edward I died and
King Robert pressed on winning battle after battle, including Bannockburn in 1314. In 1315 Thomas Dun, a privateer, sailed into Holyhead, captured an English ship
and over-ran the island of Anglesay. Then in 1320, one of the most remarkable documents ever written was sent to the Pope in Rome, “The Declaration of
Arbroath”. A document that is the basis of the legal system of Scotland to this day. The Pope ratified that document and, as the international authority, Scotland was
accepted as an independent sovereign country, but with a difference that marks Scotland out to this day. As the King was ex-communicated he could not have the
God Given divine right of Kings, (that is be sovereign). The Declaration not only declared Scotland free but it stated that in Scotland it was, “The People of
Scotland”, who were sovereign, and they had the divine right of kings. Further, that, in Scotland, the sovereign people chose their leaders and could also dismiss them
and choose another. The Scottish Monarch does not own Scotland or the Scots people but is their choice of leader and the protector of their rights.
The story now moves forward to the Union of the Crowns 1603, Before the Union of the crowns the Princedom Of Wales had become an English Princedom and
the title was either held by the Monarch, or by tradition, by the Monarch's first son. All Ireland was also under the English crown by an act of the Parliament of
Ireland. When Jamie Saxt became also James I of England all four crowns rest upon the one monarchs head. In effect a United Kingdom but although James used the
term the two countries resisted its use but the Monarchy, and English parliament, plotted to have an accepted United Kingdom. To this end they re-introduced and
added to the, “English Navigation Acts”. These were meant to restrict trade with England and the colonies use of English ships and English Crews. These acts led to
wars with several European nations and brought Scotland to her knees. With only English, or English crewed, ships able to deal with both Greater England, (Wales &
Ireland), the Scots were at the mercy of English merchants. Not only did it decimate the Scottish Mercantile Marine but all Scottish export and import trade. You
either paid what English merchants demanded for imports or did without. You either accepted what English merchants would pay for your goods or you let your
food/or goods rot. This is what led to the Darian Expedition as a last throw of the dice for Scotland to obtain her own colonies. The English, aided by the Dutch, even
fiddled that. The English promised that between them and the Dutch they would put up 50% of the funding for the Expedition. They pulled out of the deal after the
ships and stores were bough and equipped, and the crews contracted and engaged. The Expedition was doomed before it started. Then our joint monarch ordered
the Royal Navy NOT to aid the Monarchs Scottish people. There were Royal troops on the isthmus and these too were ordered NOT to aid the Scottish settlers.
The expedition failed and Scotland was bankrupted.
And so the story moves to the period leading to the Treaty of Union of 1707, where threats, bribes and lies were used to get the treaty signed. However, those wars
throughout Europe that the Navigation Acts caused had seen England with a massive national debt while bankrupt Scotland had NO national debt.
So thus we had, “A rough Wooing”, “A Forced Wedding”, and, “An Abusive & Unequal Marriage”. We are now about to have a public and messy divorce, and
divorce settlement. Like all such marriages the abusive and bullying partner never understands why their partner finds it an unhappy marriage.
© Robert Peffers.
Robert Peffers
You could usefully note that this Govt has created a petrol crisis when there isn’t one except the the one they’ve just created, much the same as the referendum. Call me old fashioned but it used to be the job of the opposition not the goverment to create a crisis
cheers
charlie
charlie
Hi, wings
We are a fairly new site, we have had it up and running for a couple months now, but we have been busy making a few tweeks to it etc. The site is mainly an archive of news articles, blogs videos and images all related to independence for cybernats to use and share about the web and for them to help persuade others to vote yes and we even have a few members writting blogs for the website, we also have a forum aswell for discussion. Which is open to everyone. We have added you to our external links and we hope that you could also add us to your own.
I would also ask if it would be ok to re publish and add to our archive some of your material that we think may be informative on certain subject areas that could be helpful in the independence debate? of course a link to your website would be added and whatever material would be credited to yourselves.
Even though we are a fairly new site, we have about 4500 unique visitors to our website each month. We dont ask for donations as the website is sponsored by a friends small business and will be continued to be sponsored up until the referendum, and we are not affiliated with any political party.
Thanks and all the best
Arthur
Arthur
Dear Rev Stu,
Would you like to participate in a debate about a Scottish Constitution – with Lesley Riddoch,Patrick Harvie, Gerry Hassan and Elliot Bulmer plus others. June 28
See http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/3697413062
Alex Grant
Dear Stu,
Following your “Positive cases for the Union” can I claim to have found the only one and that is if we vote to keep the union we won’t be landed with Johanne Lamont and Labour in control of all the levers of state to control of the Scottish economy. Surely a possible candidate for a positive case. Bill
William Pirrie
Great blog, well written with good information and nicely present views / options.
Dont let the B*5749Ds get you down
Keep up the good work
nae one
THE RIGHT TO INDEPENDENCE
By Páll Thormod Morrisson
It is a somewhat bizarre idea that a referendum on the independence of a country and nation should be dictated by the neighbouring state from which it might remove itself.
But that is exactly what Scotland is supposed to accept.
A far more sensible idea would be to have a completely separate and independent body to ensure that all things are handled fairly. Recently the Scottish Democratic Alliance approached the Council of Europe to discover its stance on this matter.
A few days ago a British House of Commons report is said to have ‘provided further confirmation’ that the Scottish Government ‘has no legal right to hold a binding independence referendum’, presumably without England’s say-so. If further confirmation is required, it either suggests that the Scottish Government was not listening to the first confirmation or that the English position (as is often the case in most situations) is not as strong as its supporters would like to think it is.
The report claims: ‘Any referendum must have an unchallengeable legal and moral basis, to avoid delays and challenges to the legitimacy of the process and its result.’
It is a pity that Westminster in 1707 was not so observant of the law or the morality of the matter when they bribed the ‘parcel of rogues’ to sell out Scotland against the wishes of the majority of its population, with an enemy army posted at the border to enforce the ‘union’ if it came to that.
The Memorandum submitted to the Council of Europe states: ‘The Government of the United Kingdom…is attempting to deny the legal right of the Scottish Government to hold the referendum, and insisting that it alone is entitled to undertake such a poll. It is also pressing for the earliest possible date for the referendum, because they estimate that there will be more chance of a negative vote if the poll is held as soon as possible. The situation is now wide open to the most blatant form of manipulation of the vote.’ A not unreasonable assertion on the part of the SDA.
The 1989 Conference on Security of Cooperation in Europe declared:
‘[The participating states] confirm that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self determination of peoples, and in conformity with the relevant provisions of the [Helsinki] Final Act, all peoples always have the right, in full freedom, to determine, when and as they wish, their internal and external political status, without external interference.’
The present position of Westminster with regard to Scottish independence is like your next door neighbour telling you whether or not you can use your own front door – a ridiculous state of affairs.
Independence is the natural condition of an adult, never mind a country. Scotland is rich in resources and talent, something our neighbour has been singularly profiting from for far too long. If the relationship between Scotland and England can be imagined as a relationship between people, then Scotland has been treated like a child that requires an adult to handle all its affairs. The child has riches which the adult happily lives off and shamefully squanders, giving the child pocket money now and again.
If you would not accept being treated like that in your personal life as an adult, why would you stand by and let that happen to you and your family in relation to your country?
Pall Thormod Morrisson
I recently sent you some parables on Scottish/British politics. I now have 18. Do you wish me to send the others?
Best wishes,
Sion Rees WILLIAMS
Rev. Stu
Do you have a complete image of your header that I can download and display on my website ?
I want to replace graphics and links to a “Now Not So friendly site”
Aucheorn
“Do you have a complete image of your header that I can download and display on my website ?
I want to replace graphics and links to a “Now Not So friendly site””
The banner is at 1:1 resolution (there’s no higher-res version, it’s the size it appears onscreen), so the easiest thing to do is just grab a picture of it with your Print Screen button.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Stu
How about posting selected commets under the photos in “shiny happy people” in the same way as you did for the Scottish tories at Troon? Got many a good laugh!
(Good work BTW)
Ally
I too would like to see Macart’s booklet. My Dad was CSM in the Argylls July 1944.
Aucheorn
Hi,
Long time lurker here. Great site by the way.
You might be intrested by Paul McConVille thoughts on the “Legal Advice” issue..
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/
Cheers
Turnbull Drier
Not sure this bit is getting followed up but would be interested in hearing more about Scot Gov implementing no homelessness for anyone, rather than the UK policy which is just vulnerable females and families. Small point maybe but someone from a Glasgow homeless shelter was saying “this is impossible” in a new Scottish Labour way.
Having worked in this nonsense housing situation I think the SNP policy is the best way forward for all of the UK and indeed the civlised world, called me old fashioned..
Have a Happy and healthy New Year
Cheers
Charlie
charlie
I am attempting to post a comment in a webkit browser.
Rec X
Hi Wings Over Scotland,
I’ve just found your blog and think it’s really great. Whilst I’m undecided on the referendum, although slightly more towards a ‘Yes’ to independance, I’m keen for the debate to be laid out in a fair unbias way especially to young people. Are you aware of any campaigns like this that are non-party political?
Cheers, FlissK
Fliss K
“I’m keen for the debate to be laid out in a fair unbias way especially to young people. Are you aware of any campaigns like this that are non-party political?”
Well, this site isn’t party political. I’m not a member of any party and I have no idea who I’ll be voting for in the next election. But I don’t know if I can think of any site that’s completely unbiased. I’m not sure if that’s even absolutely possible – people tend to make a website when they have an opinion about something, not when they don’t.
The nearest thing I can think of would be the “Referendum 2014″ Scoopit site that’s in our links column, which just collects stories from elsewhere, both mainstream media and blogs. The curator is pro-independence, but the stories are taken from all sides of the debate.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
@Fliss K
Hello Fliss. Thank you for coming to Wings over Scotland.
If it is ‘non-party political’ you are looking for then the YES Scotland campaign is an all party, no party campaign and the equivalent on the No side is called “Better Together”.
There are no “on the fence campaigns” that are neutral. There are plenty of think tanks and civic bodies claiming neutrality, however not all are really neutral. You kind of have to cast your net wide.
I’m afraid this fishing around for information is par for the course. The No campaign have no benefit in laying out information in a fair and unbiased way as a lot of it contradicts what they are telling people.
Although an independence supporting site, Wings tries to lay out the facts to back up its articles and make it easy for people to make up their own minds.
We hope that you continue to visit wings and pass some of those undecided voters our web address and let them come here to see for themselves.
Here are some links you may like:
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/weekend-guest-view-from-the-fence/
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-barnett-trap-and-the-expensive-lunch/
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-only-independence-can-save-our-nhs/
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-wrong-lizards/
Scott Minto (Aka Sneekyboy)
Fliss K:
Even though I support Independence I’m hoping for more impartial sites to emerge. One I can think of from legal people in Scotland from different University law departments is:
http://www.scottishconstitutionalfutures.org/
Meanwhile you’re probably best balancing mainstream media with the likes of this website and Newsnet Scotland, and perhaps Lallands Peat Warriors.
Of the newpapers the Herald is probably the best; I think the editors / owners are anti-independence, but it runs some good articles to balance, or at least fairly impartial.
dadsarmy
I cut and pasted this from the SNP site, with a view to mentioning that I have not heard or seen anything yet on the news about this, nor do I expect to. I would not be surprised to hear nothing from the other parties in Holyrood…
FM cleared by Ministerial Code report
Thu, 10/01/2013 – 12:17
Welcoming the outcome of Sir David Bell KCB’s inquiry into the First Minister’s conduct over the issue of legal advice surrounding an independent Scotland’s continued EU membership – in which the First Minister was again found to have acted entirely in accordance with the Ministerial Code – SNP MSP Aileen McLeod called on opposition politicians to accept the outcome end their run of baseless accusations and smears.
Commenting, Ms McLeod said:
“Sir David has investigated this matter thoroughly and concluded that the First Minister acted in accordance with the Ministerial Code. As he points out, the conclusion of the Edinburgh Agreement provided the right context to obtain advice from law officers – which is exactly what the Scottish Government has done.
“Time and time again, opposition politicians – unable to do their own job properly – have resorted to baseless accusations and personal insults, rather than debate the substantive issues themselves.
“We have now had six referrals under the ministerial code – and in all six cases, the independent verdict has been that the First Minister and his Ministers acted in accordance with the code.
“There are so many pressing issues facing this country, and at the start of the New Year our opposition politicians should be resolving to offer a more positive and grown-up debate that the people of Scotland deserve.”
Peter Mirtitsch
@Rev Stu
Do you have my e-mail address? If you do then would it be possible to e-mail me to give me your address, and who the cheque should be made payable to (if it is different from your name)? Thanks.
muttley79
Something like this
Shortcut to Wings (2)
Dave McEwan Hill
Stuart,
Please let me have your bank account no. I have set up a Paypal subscription but I would prefer you got the whole amount. through a Standing Order as you said no fees at either end,
I have just noticed my website is wrong it should be braemoray.com can you change please.
Aucheorn
Rev, can you have a look at the stuff Pete Wishart is tweeting about Labour and the word “separate” not being allowed in a debate title by the House of Commons, also has huge implications for Scottish Affairs Committee – must be a BIG story here?
He also tweeted last night:
“Every constituency chair from every Scottish Conservative constituency invited to number 10 tonight. Hmm!”
WTF is going on?
Adrian B
ALERT
I have on some authority that the deputy editor is presently at the helm in the Herald. This might explain the total absence of the malevolent Magnus in today’s edition and a tiny inside piece only in yesterday’s plus a much more balanced constitutional debate in its pages all this week – and particularly in the letter section.
I’ve actully bought it again this week.
Of course the editor and Magnus might just be away bonding somewhere at the moment.
But then again the proprietors may have noticed the need for two craven apolgies over the last few weeks over front page headlines that were total bollocks and decided enough is enough.
Dave McEwan Hill
The Beeb in a spot of bother?
gerry p
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-911-truth-movement-goes-to-court-in-the-uk/5323188
gerry parker
Hey. I’ve written something that you might want for your ‘And Finally’ on a slow news day. Mail me and you can see what you think.
Cuphook
Hi Wings et al
I’m brewing up an idea which is designed to put pressure on the BBC in Scotchland to behave themselves. I’ve had positive reactions from people around me, and could now do with input/feedback from like-minded (i.e. pro-Independence) people who are media, legal and e-savvy.
If you or any readers are interested (or even just intrigued) please contact me at indysolutions14@gmail.com
IndySolutions14
Seen This?
http://forargyll.com/2013/03/south-scotland-msp-raises-the-mystery-of-1980s-west-coast-oil-capped-on-westmister-instructions/
scotchman
Hi
I’ve enjoyed reading your daily updates and, as a dithering and swithering but probably ‘yes’ voter, one of my main worries about independence is that there is no proper fourth estate in Scotland. I’ve therefore signed up for a regular paypal to you as I think it’s important that this sort of channel, with intelligent criticism of the cut-and-paste press releases that we usually get, continues to exist.
Having said that, there is something you do that really annoys me, and it’s a kind sneering nastiness towards those who don’t agree with you. The most obvious example is when you call Johann Lamont the Labour “leader”. She is not the Labour “leader”, she is the Labour leader. You might not like that, you might not like her, but those sneery little inverted commas are petty, and nasty and have no place in serious discussion.
Another example is that you quite often say, about people you disagree with, “poor X, he’s quite, quite mad’. Again, this is the sort of remark that has no place if you want to be taken seriously. Play the ball, not the man, please.
Livia
“Having said that, there is something you do that really annoys me, and it’s a kind sneering nastiness towards those who don’t agree with you. The most obvious example is when you call Johann Lamont the Labour “leader”. She is not the Labour “leader”, she is the Labour leader. You might not like that, you might not like her, but those sneery little inverted commas are petty, and nasty and have no place in serious discussion.”
I agree with you that it could come across that way, and have considered dropping it before now, but there’s a serious point being made. Lamont is absolutely clearly NOT the leader of a party, something that’s been demonstrated over and over again in the time since she was elected. “Scottish Labour” is a branch office that takes its orders from Westminster, and the quote marks are a shorthand way of reminding people of that. On balance, my view is that that’s a sufficiently important point to outweigh the possible misinterpretation – we can’t afford to forget that a No vote is a vote for London rule.
I appreciate the reminder, though. When you spend any serious amount of time looking at or listening to Scottish Labour and the No campaign in general, it’s easy to let contempt for their cynical, crass dishonesty rise to the surface, and we need to keep it to a minimum. But at the same time, we have to allow ourselves a little release of steam once in a while, and also the odd laugh at our opponents’ expense to keep our spirits up. If you want readers to return, there has to be entertainment as well as information.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
I appreciate the reasoned response. It is absolutely your call, of course.
I’m going to say one more thing and then I promise I’ll drop it, OK? Here’s what these quotes remind me of, and perhaps why they invoke such a strong reaction: In the very right wing sites like Guido Fawkes ( which I’ve been stupid enough to read occasionally) they invariably refer to people with Pakistani or Bangladeshi names who happen to be in the news as “British”, with inverted commas, when the people in question are in fact, British. That is the kind of nasty, petty tone *I* read into it whenever I see that particular style.
Anyway. Keep up the good work.
Livia
I understand the point, but obviously don’t wish to be held responsible for Guido Fawkes’ many and heinous crimes. I also doubt that we have much of a readership crossover. But constructive criticism is always welcome here.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Scotchman, re seen this: http://forargyll.com/2013/03/south-scotland-msp-raises-the-mystery-of-1980s-west-coast-oil-capped-on-westmister-instructions/
I was brought up in Ayrshire and remembered the exploration drilling taking place. I also remember the local MP (David Lambie, Labour) making a bit of a stooshie that the MoD were hampering progress. It therefore didn’t take long to find two relevant articles.
From the Glasgow Herald on 14 September 1983: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19830914&id=ivU9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=CUkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3594,2623144
his probes were subsequently dismissed out of hand as there was ‘no evidence’ of oil existing: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=1984-01-18a.299.5
I’m sure there are plenty more articles if I had the time to search (e.g. there are loads of Hansard Q&A’s, notable from George Foulkes!)
dmw42
Hi Rev
Oh Look! http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/ireland-returns-10-bond-market-175637324.html
How interesting
Dramfineday
Rev,
Spotted the “Mr Balls’s demand for an emergency tax cut echoes calls from Conservative MPs and business groups” tweet and thought you might like to see the numbers that he relates to in the piece
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt-to-gdp
Balls has a point – its getting close to double the 2009 figure.
Adrian B
RE: Faulty Electrical Goods,
There is a legal requirement for manufactures to keep spares for 5 years.
Electrical retailers are well known for passing the buck – stick to your guns and don’t accept the first offer from the insurance company.
Do some research on the “6 year rule”
Get the model no. and do some online checking to see if its a common problem with the same model – if its a common problem, then it will add weight to your case.
I am sure you probably know most of this already, but just saying.
Adrian B
Hi there, we linked to you on our shiny new website, was wondering if we could be placed into your links section in return.
many thanks
RFS
Radio Free Scotland
Rev,
Yesterday I spent a significant part of my day on Facebook refuting unionist scare stories relating to Schengen and Border controls post independence on a Better Together post -
https://www.facebook.com/bettertogetheruk/posts/509015595823624
There’s a few things which I noticed which are perhaps worth highlighting –
The main person I had a dialogue with, Reuben Webbe, has a a very new fb profile – 25/03/2012. If you type this name into google there is a linkedin profile for a person of the same name who is a “Digital and Transmedia Native and Disruptive Social Thinker and Guerilla Ideasmith”. Yes, really!
I convincingly managed to refute his lies and scaremongering with this official document -
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmfaff/writev/643/m05.htm
Within hours my Facebook account had been hacked.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to be more than coincidence that the first time I have a robust dialogue on fb on a Better Together post that this has happened.
Is big brother watching?
Is this an example of Better Together using professionals, posing as the public to manage social media?
Should I make a tin foil hat?!
Keep up the excellent work, your website has really motivated me to fight all the negativity and lies the Unionists produce.
Suilven
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/03/22/commentary/scots-have-nothing-to-lose-going-the-indy-route/#.UU2CsRzIbEQ
McHaggis
From Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland
“The economy of Scotland is closely linked with the rest of the United Kingdom and the wider European Economic Area. Scotland has the second largest GVA per capita of countries in the United Kingdom after England, though it is still lower than the average of the United Kingdom as a whole. Revenue from North Sea oil and gas is not included in these figures.”
Anyone care to update wikipedia with figures INCLUDING North Sea oil and gas revenues?
scotchman
Just a suggestion:
Here is a point for my fellow YES campaigners, the NO lot are trying to make something of the fact that, in their opinion most of us are SNP and yet none of them ever say what party they normally support, i would suggest that we start asking them, their response (either way) could be very enlightening, especially if they still won’t say!
Jim Mitchell
Followed the link, so I am posting here
My records show that I donated £208 on 6 February.
(gone through my Halifax creit card on that date).
Crediting in the name of JPJ2 would be just fine-I use that designation in tribute to my
blood relative, John Paul (Jones), often described as the “Father of the American Navy”.
I am sure he would have voted “Yes”
JPJ2
Hi Stu,
Donated a couple of ten ball one off payments the last 2 or so months (memory like a sieve today) and have just fired off a tenner which should be winging its way too you (all right i know thats poor!) again as i like others am more than keen Scotland needs the site both sides of the referendum. Youre a very deserving cause and our country is calling us all.
Hadnt bothered checking before about my name on the credits. See that its not there so i suppose i should add my name in case others think im a skin flint! You can use my posting name EdinScot or my real name Martin Pringle. Not fussed either way. Your call.
More power to your elbow Rev. This site is making a difference.
EdinScot
Know thy enemy!
Hi Rev have just read about the unsolicited text massages on NNS. Having had a look re Blue State Diamond it is obvious this is where all this crazy stuff is coming from and they’ve worked with slab before and with westminster. We are so in a catfight but at least we know what we’re up against. I dont know what on earth we can do to counteract the damage they can and will do. AS will have to find some counterpuncher to take this machine on as its massive. The hard hitting strategy of BSD will take its toll eventually, I fear. Reminds me of the terminator movies. Bet this is what the dirty Vitol money is funding cause it wont come cheap! Anyway a couple of informative links.
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/gregorpoynton?_mSplash=1
http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/blue-state-digital-takes-over-world
(Some interesting stuff here)
Weedeochandorris
Hi Rev, how about introducing a button to show the articles in printer-friendly format? I would like to print some articles to leave around my workplace.
The Man from Del Monte
Rev, disgusted by the media hype over Calman. Well done for taking a stand and pointing out that hearsay is still the rule of law for some. The truth will out!!! Keep up the good work.
Paul Watson
Seems like auld news but did you ever know about this? ”ORGANISERS of the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow are calling on all Borderers to support ENGLAND.” http://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/roundup/articles/2013/04/15/453378-borders-urged-to-support-england-at-games
Weedeochandorris
Dear Stu, I created this wee tribute, for inspiring me as a nipper - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Stuart_Campbell
Hillbillyholiday
“Dear Stu, I created this wee tribute, for inspiring me as a nipper – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Stuart_Campbell“
Crivvens, that’s awfully kind, but I had to ask for one Wiki entry to be deleted ages ago because it came under sustained attacks from vandals/stalkers, so I wouldn’t hold out hopes of it lasting too long unmolested…
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Thank you Stu,
I felt it was the least I could do, and what with the ‘heated atmosphere’ surrounding the Indie debate, I figured a decent impartial article would help a little. I already asked a Scottish admin contact of mine (who helped me deal with the Thatcher fallout so is used to dealing with ‘contentious figures’!) to keep an eye out, as will I.
If needs be he can either semi-protect the page (a la Maggie or the Pope) or if it gets really bad it is possible to fully protect it (like Scientology).
All the best,
Mike
Hillbillyholiday
Ah, I see now the trouble you had before. Took some digging, given the morass of data (and shiteness of search-engine on WP). How unfortunate about that murderer chap. I liked this in particulars:
"..in my experience Wikipedia is staffed by arrogant jobsworths drunk on the power they wield over the encyclopaedia's hapless subjects."
Many of us feel that way..
(p.s. Although, to be honest, they're not all monsters, it's a pretty thankless task for those that perform it well – personally I wouldn't touch the job, as I detest authority in general and the voting process is savagely critical of new candidates)
Hillbillyholiday
Unable to post comments. Any technical problems on Wings side?
AmadeusMinkowski
Had just this minute found them in the spam filter while looking for something else. Approved now, no idea what Akismet objected to.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
To a large extent, WP is a meritocracy based on your edit-history.
The most famous editor in wikiland is a Manc called Malleus Fatuorum (Hammer of Fools) You’d probably get on. He is quite foul-mouthed and abusive to those who make dumb errors, and recently he conducted a two year “sockpuppet” mission to prove a point/take the piss out of admin, a move that would have seen anyone else banned like that. However, he has a track record of years of serious editing, which counts for a lot over there.
As a relatively new user, I don’t carry much weight, so I tried to alert a level-headed Scottish admin to intervene in that situation earlier. Unfortunately, he is a tad slow at times, and someone else got the other guy involved. It sucks, but the work you are doing here is far more important, fuck Rangers!
If you don’t know what I’m talking about, then clearly I’m completely mistaken, am waffling utter shite, and wasting your time., so sorry for that.
Hillbillhoilday
First Bedroom Tax Eviction in North Lanarkshire!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=578481638840480&set=a.192375567451091.43122.191782724177042&type=1&theater
AmadeusMinkowski
interesting piece on Scotspolitics.com
http://scotspolitics.com/uncategorized1/the-economic-case-for-scottish-independence
Jim
Rev, a good article from the FT and the ‘Crane Indicator’
Shocking. I think you will like it.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dafd13d4-b3fc-11e2-b5a5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2UVSVnH51
Ericmac