Wings Over Scotland

When did she mention Indyref2 Mr Cairns?
Was I sleeping?
OR
Were you dreaming?

-5 ……….there is no -5

Scunnert

There is no “hope” in my hert…………..well mibbee aat Pittodrie aats aboot it.

I have really got to the point where I can’t listen to Lesley Riddoch and her view on Nicola Sturgeon and her admiration of her running the country, listening to her on Independence live to be honest was the last time I’ll listen to Lesley Riddoch or her views.

There seems to be a lot of journalist & bloggers supporting Independence and making a career out of it without actually ever want to push any comments of why we aren’t actually Independent now or criticize the SG lack of progress of a referendum and their dreadful handling of running the country and to praise Sturgeon handling of covid is appalling, I suppose the reason is if we where Independent now what would be these individuals career involve or what would they talk about.

I thought listening to this Lesley Riddoch she wants Sturgeon to be in charge and she happy with sturgeon running the country and very little progress on Independence.

I fail to see any benefit at all in not planning for a referendum and if you’re not planning for one you have no intention of holding referendum now or in the future.
This was my take on listening to the chat on Independence live its only my view, but I don’t know what other thought.

No one in the SNP wants Independence. There’s only one way to freedom and the spirit to achieve that does not exist anywhere in Scotland.

Andy Ellis says on 7 August, 2021 at 8:55 am:

“We can safely leave the Nicola cultists to their delusion that #indyref2 is coming in the first half of this Holyrood parliament.”

Has anyone actually got an archived quote of Sturgeon saying/promising this? I too have this in my head but if i’m forced to think about it i can’t ever recall seeing a real quote from her.

@Stoker 9.16 am

Here:

link to thecourier.co.uk

It was also quoted in the recent reporting of her on NPR a few days ago:

link to npr.org

Nice one Chris, though I don’t think an indyref is even on the board to be honest.

Meanwhile the man with the tweed waistcoat Mike Russell is at it again in the National newspaper today, this time he’s waxing lyrical about how bad the union, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and even Tony Blair is, as if we didn’t already know this.

Tell us something we don’t know Mike, such as how is your plan on making Scotland independent that you must present to the SNP conference next month coming along, or is that too difficult.

On the Vogue magazine saying that Sturgeon is one of the twenty-five most influential women in the UK, the magazine also calls Ruth Davidson a beacon, thanks to her progressive ideas, at least they have a sense of humour at the magazine.

robertknight says:
7 August, 2021 at 9:36 am
Sorry Chris, but you missed one out…

-6 Mars attacks

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Would Mars attacks not be -5 with IndyRef at -6?

What about volcanic eruption? Are we sure the Arthur’s Seat volcano is extinct?

History will judge Sturgeon harshly, for she has betrayed Scotland’s people, particularly those of us who put so much trust in her.

@Sarah 9.59 am

As baleful an influence as the FM undoubtedly is on both the movement and her party, she’s only the flag bearer. Concentrating the fire and the blame on one personality – however influential – is in my view misguided. There’s plenty of blame to go around.

Let’s not forget that she’s supported by a cadre of ultra loyal apparatchiks who show every indication of being effectively a personality cult.

More worrying perhaps is the fact that the rank and file membership of the SNP have proven remarkably indifferent to their organisational and political emasculation. They have acquiesced – if not actively participated – in the process.

Finally Scottish Yes supporters more generally bear part of the responsibility for the present bourach: we were slow to realise that the SNP was failing the cause, and slow to react once that became obvious.

A plebiscitary election was indeed possible in May 2021, just as it will be in 5 years time. Sadly, the minority pushing for that outcome were by and large scorned by the movement as a whole as well as the SNP and Greens. The only rational alternative is to ensure we have a party ready to push hard for it happening at the next election.

John H.

Hopefully she gets judged harshly by the courts long before that, when the truth comes to light!

How ironic would that be…..

” And I would like to offer that choice in the first half of this term of our parliament, which is, you know, by the end of 2023. And we’ll judge within that when the best time to offer that choice is. ”

Sturgeon of the Forked Tongue .

What degree of damage will have been inflicted on Scotland by ” the end of 2023 ” ?

Inflicted not only by the UK State and it’s enforcers – the Internal Market assault alone will be devastating – also by the irredeemable corruption and authoritarian will-to-power of the Sturgeon regime , whose actions will have turned even more people against the aspiration to Independence – ” If this is what Independence will be like I don’t want it ”

Also , the end of 2023 will be conveniently not far from the next H.E : we’ll almost certainly be hearing how the polls are not showing 99% support for Indy , a wee man in Stornaway still has Covid , the shamans @ the National say the Spirits tell them ” now is not the time ” , and their tea leaves augurs confirm this .Any and every excuse for delay . ONE MORE MANDATE and we’re on our way .

ALBA are our only hope – short of the removal of Sturgeon and the poisoned well she has created- and must be supported to the maximum degree

Great “toon” Chris.
Tackety Beets@7.39
-5 Ye beat me tae it loon.

If we know nothing else, it’s that things change, right? It’s natural and inevitable. Call it evolution, revolution, whatever you like, but it can’t be avoided indefinitely.

Then you turn on the radio, and if you happen to be in Scotland, and you’re tuned into the ‘national’ station on a Saturday morning, it’s as if the past decade simply didn’t happen. Shereen, with the usual guests. The ‘news’ itself presented by the same voices. The ‘sport’ and weather, ditto.

The major difference from, say 2012/13, is that ‘independence’ is barely mentioned. But who could blame them, given that the governing party doesn’t seem interested in it either? Radio Scotland has turned into Radio GetYerJag, with output over the past 18months almost entirely Covid-focussed.

We’re all too close to see ‘change’ happening in real-time, but it is happening. It must be. The State broadcasters keeping the cork in, with the approval of the Scottish and UK govts, is only increasing the pressure. None of us know when that cork will pop, but it’s getting closer every day.

Not much to celebrate perhaps, but we have to take whatever we can right now.

Ruby: “It’s a sobering claim – at odds with the inclusive country that many of us like to imagine we inhabit.”

If Scotland has a problem with racism, you’re more likely to find it amongst those who wave Union Jacks than those who wave Saltires.

It’s British racism in Scotland that’s the problem. Take that away and there’s not much to speak of.

“Shameful gradual ism” was Alec Salmonds approach to Independence, for years.

Muscle guy. I hope your gathering on Dundee Law doesn’t turn out to be a “superspreader” event. And do you mind awfully if people have anti lockdown protests? It’s funny how approved protests aren’t a threat to public health but anti Government protests are.
As for dropping 2 atom bombs on Japan if you’re a Government facing fanatical resistance in a country covered in mountainous terrain you know you’re going to sustain high casualties. So. In war who would you prefer to die. Your men or the enemy? A no brainer as they say.

An apologist for British racism and anti-vax…

Nobody could accuse you of playing to the crowd on here, pixy.

Very surprised Indyref2 is a high on her list

Doubly surprised its even made any list

Single handily the best agent the British establishment has ever put in place she and her inner circle have managed to stop and even reverse people’s appetite to be free from English rule .

No she’s no a failure she has accomplished exactly what she was put in place to do , a long term asset better known as a sleeper our very own Manchurian Candidate

It’s amazing the English establishment being so scared of a Independent Scotland that they would go to such lengths to keep a whole nation under arrest well then again they have been doing this sort of stuff for hundreds of years we on the other hand are rank amateurs total novices

Aye at it again hatauy

Tossing around the well used Anti Vax shite to close down any discussion , well Governments are being presented with FOI requests in many countries to identify this wee virus bugger

And these Governments are at a loss because so far the plague hasn’t been cornered and identified as there is the wee bugger that causing the problem and they can’t add their names to something that they haven’t identified and based all their emergency legislation on. , all these restrictions are based on False hearsay meant to scare the shit out of the public ,its a fkn con job

-5 Messi signs a 20 year contract with Fishcross Miners Welfare Fc.
-6 The right-wing gutter press get wiped off the face of the earth.
-7 Bush & Bliar share a cell with Clown-show and Trump.
-8 The Tories start to tell the truth.
-9 Clown-show apologises.
-10 The current SNP grow a backbone.
-11 America and Britain finally admit that is was all about oil and not WMDs
-12 We finally find out the use for a Wullie Rennie.
-13 Sorry, I still can’t see an Indy Ref2 on the horizon.
Apologies for the controversial comment in No-5 “20 year contract!!” No real chance of that happening.
Shauny Boy@11.55
Good one.

The 32nd of Julember? Is that not the Dear Leader Minge the Merciless birthday?

Mac. We had our civil liberties removed in March 2020. Waiting for their return with permits and strings attached seems to be the way to deal with flu.

I’m not happy. I’ve had to book an appointment for a vaccine. I didn’t want the vaccine but because Covid has allowed fascism to sneak in by the back door, I’m forced to get a vaccine although officially, I’m not being forced, I’m making my own choice.

In France, you can’t do fuck all unless you’ve had the vaccine. No museums, no galleries, no restaurants and soon, it’ll be no shops and no transport.

Mark my words, this is coming to Scotland in the near future. You WILL have a choice but you’ll have no choice other than to get the vaccine eventually.

Welcome to the New World Order.

This is brilliant. Heartbreakingly spot on.

@ Andy Ellis

“You do have a choice. You can choose not to be vaccinated and not do all the things vaccinated people are allowed to do.”

Here we are Laydeez ‘n’ Gennlemen, an open supporter of fascism.

I have no idea who this Andy Ellis is, or what he’s about. Is he an independence supporter? He seems like an arse to me.

” tin foil hat wearing flat earthers ” , you forgot your usual go-to insults Mr Ellis ie * Blood n Soil Nativists *

Seems to me you’re not that ” intensely relaxed ” about anything other people have a different opinion about : rather , you’re extremely uptight about such

Surprising that an obviously intelligent man like yourself has always to resort to denigration and slur to make a point and has no problem – no doubt is ” pretty sanguine ” about- massive infringements on people’s liberties and has no concern whatsoever about where this assault is leading .

Maybe you still believe in the fiction that once everyone and their dog is vaccinated things will go back to normal , laws brought in under the supposed * State of Emergency * will automatically disappear and we can all live happily ever after .

I wish I had your confidence that would be the case . I don’t

Robert Graham: “so far the plague hasn’t been cornered and identified”

You are actually suggesting the virus doesn’t exist. And you’re offended because I used to the term “anti-vax”.

My god. You really are documentary material, i.e. documentary nuts.

I can’t imagine what it must be like waking up to a world where millions of doctors and nurses are part of an elaborate scam, where millions of sick and dead people are faking it, where whole economies are closed down, etc., etc., all on the basis of a bogus virus that doesn’t exist.

Mr. Brotherhood, my take on it is boring and predictably in line with everything else I’ve said. If people are double vaccinated, and the majority are, they can take part in these things.

As we go into the autumn the argument for vaccine passports will gather force. Right now I don’t think they’re necessary. About 90% of the adult population has antibodies that work right now.

Robert graham.

Wanting to keep Scotland in the union, is Anglo-American.
This becomes obvious as a beacon when looking at parallel leadership placement of dopey puppet leaders,
And strategies of knocking out the people we chose to represent us, and in similar use along with attacks on free speech of journalists, incarcerations by hit jobs.
In fact it may be bold to assume the Anglo side may also be worked by strings.

Bojo trying to hold the union together of late means they are worried and are thinking of ways in advance to bring a grinding halt to independence,
One of the first prime minsters to be seen crossing the border so many times in one century.
Even on a strange tent like journey.

Scotland is strategically geologically placed in the world for war manoeuvres,.
Although bojo is keeping his hand on oil, coal etc, it is not as important as war games.

The issues of us gaining our country as independent is not going to be achieved through any normal routes or recognised conventions,
It is not going to be by marches,
It is not going to be by referendums,
It’s not going to come via the SNP.
It will not be by the Scottish goverment.
It will be by the people in a non violent manner when they are ready to accept. All of the following

1) their sovereignty right first,
2) their human rights,
3) the right to self determination.
4) the declaration of Arbroath as a legal piece of history,
5) the claim of right still in position today.

However with this must come the knowledge that to find a route to the sovereignty of ones country,
It has to start with the people,
it has to be yearned for as if in mourning, for the loss of someone loved so much you want them back, Do any of us here miss our country that much?

It has to come from the heart, rather than relegated solely to the head. That’s why the marches worked and gained momentum
And it has to come with and through the people putting their differences aside to avoid globalism of Scotland.not bystanders.

If I were a troll here trying to stop Scotlands people gaining independence,
I would be looking over my shoulder to see what they were doing to me long term or the country I called home, for this is not solely about Scotland for them. It is about them and their families sovereignty being stolen from them just as much around the nearest corner,
Sometimes it is best not to try invading your neighbours home While you’re own home next door is under attack.
It is no longer about Scotland v England.
It is governments v people all over the world.

There is a way to do this, without violence or marches but I will hold my tongue until people are ready recognise their sovereignty and the love they can show to their fellow man.
NS would not politically survive and I doubt the infiltrators would,

Mist001 says
In France, you can’t do fuck all unless you’ve had the vaccine. No museums, no galleries, no restaurants and soon, it’ll be no shops and no transport.

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Are all the museums, galleries, restaurants, shops, transport providers owned by fascists?

Why are you concerned with Andy Ellis when you live surrounded by people you deem to be fascist.

Sounds like people like yourself are very much a minority in France.

Mist001 says:
7 August, 2021 at 12:40 pm
I’m not happy. I’ve had to book an appointment for a vaccine. I didn’t want the vaccine but because Covid has allowed fascism to sneak in by the back door, I’m forced to get a vaccine although officially, I’m not being forced, I’m making my own choice.

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Who would want Mist001 in your fight against fascism?

He wouldn’t have lasted long in the French Resistance.

Another bit of relatively good news – it might be more appropriate on the previous thread, but I’ll put it here for those who have moved onto this one:

link to twitter.com

With gurus like this where could we go wrong.
link to weforum.org
Sturgeon’s a big fan of the Big I Am.
Politicians’ll suck anything for an ego fix and the supine electorate has sawdust for brains for stoking their vanity.

Ottomanboi.

The US military machine with its over eight-hundred plus bases around the globe creates more greehouse gases than small nations such as Denmark and Portugal.

Its claimed that one B52 Strato-fortress bomber can use as much fuel as a car uses in seven years, and with Biden increasing the USA’s military budget close to a trillion dollars, we only expect the Great Satan’s war machine to pump out more and more greenhouse gases.

Hatuey.
We may not want to sit next to you either because you are still a carrier and transmitter of the virus,
And for those of us whom are already ill, and cannot take the vaccine, you could be lethal, think of all those children who are ill you could kill.

I hope you remember to wash your hands wear you’re mask, disinfectant your shoes and clothes before each building you enter, to stop transmission in the same way they did for foot and mouth.

RepublicofScotland.

And that is why the green deal does not make sense, if governments are not trustworthy in actions following their words.
If they do not stop harbouring nuclear weapons of mass destruction.
Like they accused Iraq of.
Or building warships,
these actions by governments around the world defy how genuine Or serious they are in going green on a very large scale
Just as much as the leaders of our countries moving around from country to country in meetings, including climate change meetings, as they admitted themselves you can still carry the virus even with having two vaccines,
Bringing in new variants such as the meeting they held which included those that later tested positive for the Indian variant into Britain.

Do they hope and prey we are blind, stupid and deaf, actions speak louder than words in reality.

If my concerns for the safety of these Covid vaccines could be mitigated by the inconvenience of not being able to go to cinemas, museums, restaurants etc then I wouldn’t consider myself as having much of a concern in the first place.

I have long advocated waging economic war against the totalitarianism we face. (not fascism – fascism is characterized by ultra nationalism. This is clearly not that. Indeed it is quite obviously the opposite in that regard.)

Using your money tactically is more effective than voting if it is done on a large enough scale. I already gave the numbers of what would happen if a Scottish Independence movement worthy of the name convinced people unhappy with the BBC to stop paying their license and instead divert it to the coffers of the movement – it would be millions in revenue per month. Enough to kickstart the embryo of a kind of parallel state.

Businesses that wish to back up this covid narrative need to be boycotted. Now they are making you boycott them. Great. Nothing lost there.

Whatever your political views it should start becoming clear that we need to start taking power away from corporations and back into our local communities. This is done by putting your money into the community and not into the corporations. Its like voting but you get to do it every day and it directly affects the fuckers who politicians never actually tackle.

Fuck amazon. Fuck Asda. Fuck Tesco. Fuck Netflix. Fuck the BBC. Fuck Sky. Fuck them all. Start funneling your money into real people in your community and get yourself off the addiction of ease and facility that the corporations get you hooked on.

This is actually more powerful than picking whichever fake political arsehole you might find least disgusting once every 5 years.

The powers know this – which is why they interest themselves with economics and leave you to the voting.

As for the people onboard with the covid narrative, who would maybe find what im saying silly – ignore them. They are lost and will ultimately suffer for their lack of care and attention which will hopefully lead them in our direction for which we can welcome them with open arms.

While im ranting – any Scottish Nationalist politician who has not yet expressed some concern about the way covid is being used by governments is not your friend or a friend of Scotland and her people

Spokesperson for ‘racist nursery’ says..
“In addition to our owners being of Asian heritage, across more than a decade we have regularly welcomed both children and staff from a range of different religions, cultural, ethnic and racial backgrounds, including two Muslim families currently”.
Doesn’t say much for the Daily Records standard of investigative reporting. An online search could have identified who owned the business.
Humza is one gawd almighty shit stirrer with a massive chip on his shoulder.
No wonder Nikla likes him.

robertknight at 9.36 am

Would -6 be deep fried Mars attacks?

link to twitter.com

Andy Wightman – “Why I Resigned from the Scottish Green Party”

link to andywightman.com

James Che @3.56pm.

James.

The Paris Agreement in 2015, didn’t even come close to limiting a global temperature increase to 1.5 degrees. There’s nothing I’ve seen yet to suggest that anything substantial will come out of Novembers COP26 in Glasgow.

link to 2nsbq1gn1rl23zol93eyrccj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com

I see you mentioned Iraq, did you know that several UK troops received awards for their part in the Great Satan’s (USA) murder of Iran’s General Soleimani in Iraq, in which the UN declared that it was an illegal killing. The UK troops provided logistics out of their base in Muharraq in the despotic regime of Bahrain which the UK vehemently supports, the base costs the UK taxpayer over £270,000 pounds a year, Priti Patel has visited the base, which is close to a well known police station that tortures those who seek democracy in the country.

Couldn’t agree more, Andy, although if they’re anything, they’re shape-shifting lizards… they change their arguments more often than they change their underpants. In both cases it’s the stubborn under stains that hold things together.

@Andy

P.S. I often chuckle to think many of the anti-vaxxers have probably been vaccinated. You just know it, eh… if experience tells me anything, the ones that ‘doth protest too much’ are the most likely candidates.

Haahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaa

Hey guys, can we just get back to Indy related stuff.

Today’s gripe.

It is hard to enjoy this very limited freedom right now in the so called Freedom Days.

My last tour of Sturgeons Scotland was spoiled by “No Overnight Camping” signs on Forestry Commission Land. The kind of behavior I expect from the worst of the Absentee Tax Write Off Heavily Subsidized Landlords. If that wasn’t enough we have to suffer signs saying No Unauthorized Vehicles allowed on Forestry Commission Roads.

I dont think most folk realise just how much of Scotland is covered by Plantation Forestry or Land that is inaccessible despite thier being no Trespass Rights of Way.

Oh and I have seen more than one alleged campsite that doesn’t allow erm TENTS. Yet we are being herded towards such locations by what I regard as Brit Tory Policies instigated by Sturgeons Nonce Party.

The Last tour was also spoiled by what I can only describe as loud mouthed drunken Yahs virtually stroking each other. Didn’t get a wink of sleep that night. We will pay a heavy price for failing to close the Border yet again.

I’ve taken the vaccines but with Bojo telling us
the roll out wipes clean the utter shambles the
Tories have been since it all started.

Why then is the U.K. daily Covid death rate still the worst in Europe?
Might have been nice for an opposition or a real media channel to
ask why we had over 100 Covid deaths today?

No one mentions the excess deaths any longer.
The U.K. has had over 150,000 Covid deaths with
the inclusion of the excess number of 20,000.

Why are the new cases numbers in compatible countries like
France, Germany, Italy, Spain etc so very much lower on a daily basis?

We are living in a Gangster’s paradise.

I thought we were told to ignore Nicola or similar?
Or is it the usual selective subjects?

Andy Ellis
Remember to vaccinate you’re feet in disinfectant, before entering other areas or wear plastic disposable booties and fumigate you’re clothes to contribute in stopping the spread of the virus, as these are things about you’re person that have not been vaccinated,

Wash you’re car or bikes down, at home each time after use to prevent contamination being carried from one area or district to another. As the road has not been vaccinated and could carry the virus.
And leave you’re mail from the postie sitting for a few days beforehand.

Remember not to take flights to foreign countries whereby you cannot challenge the waiter or toilet cleaner to see if they have had their vaccines.

And remember not to mix or live in or around the same route of the migrants crossing the channel to arrive at various British hotels, as the people traffickers seldom covid test their financial supply chain.

Do not eat food, fruit or veg from countries that do not have vaccine passport to prove that all cheap labour workers have been vaccinated.

As clothes and shoes are more often than not, produced in sweat shops abroad with none vaccinated people it would be advisory not to buy clothes without an authenticity of country and factory status verification of each workers vaccines history,
Do not except parcel deliveries from amazon until you can track and trace the product from the origin of producer, storage facility covid safety, all transportation verification on covid vaccinated lorry drivers , shipping container workers, fed ex workers or other service providers.

Do not mix with politicians whom have had covid or the covid vaccine as these people seem to be particularly vulnerable to testing positive to the covid virus more than once.
Please wait for confirmation and further instructions on how to duck and dive the shite about real measures to stop viral infections spreading.

The government have stated on televising MSM broadcast that vaccines do not prevent you getting covid, nor does it stop you spreading the virus to others even if they have been vaccinated,

It just stops you personally having it so bad.

Please adhere to you’re believes as much as we want you to.
A vaccine passport is either digital or paper, and is neither a preventative to your spreading the virus
Keep the fear alive, Please Stay at home, stay safe, and keep the rest of the population safe.

RepublicofScotland.
That explains the status of government to status of people.
You could not have said it better.

Gary45% says:
7 August, 2021 at 5:48 pm
Indy Site, lets talk Indy.

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It’s a bit tricky to talk Indy at the moment because absolutely nothing is happening.

“The biggest propaganda operation in history.

All the alarm bells are ringing.

We’re at a pivotal moment.”

link to 21stcenturywire.com

Despite the headlines, a measured and unhysterical assessment from an academic with a long career in studying propaganda.

link to digitalhealth.net

“What if you haven’t had both jabs?
Undoubtedly many who haven’t had, or cannot have, the vaccine will be worried it will impact their ability to travel.

As mentioned above, many countries aren’t accepting Covid passports as proof of vaccination, so it is unlikely to impact your immediate ability to travel. This could change in the future if vaccination passports become internationally recognised, but we don’t yet know how that will work.

Government guidance for people who haven’t been vaccinated suggests they should follow the entry requirements of the country they are travelling to.

This will likely include proof of a negative Covid test upon arrival. Some countries also require people to quarantine on arrival, so be sure to check advice before travelling.

Details on entry requirements for different countries can be found on the gov.uk foreign travel advice pages and on the websites of your destination country.”

@Dan 5.12 pm

Anyone that has legitimate health reasons not to be vaccinated, fair enough. But what about all the others (almost certainly vastly more people) with underlying health problems which will be made much worse if they contract Covid from the “great unvaxxed”?

All the folk with asthma and breathing difficulties for example?

The folk who are immuno suppressed?

Haven’t we just been told the number of people in their 20’s being hospitalised with Covid has spiked? If Covid is such a doddle, why did my twice vaccinated work colleagues sister (who is in her mid twenties and otherwise has no health problems) get wiped out for a week when she got Covid.

I wonder if my daughters cancer patient friend who died of Covid in his mid 20’s would be thanking all the anti-vaxxers for spreading their germs because *civil liberties*?

Yes, there are nuances like there are for anything that impacts millions of people. It still doesn’t excuse otherwise intelligent people falling for a-scientific clap trap. You’re just the modern day equivalents of those who begged up the charlatan that assured us MMR caused autism, or that smallpox vaccination was dangerous.

link to ftp.historyofvaccines.org

Tinto Chiel.

I’m not quite convinced that Covid-19 doesn’t exist, however history shows us that its possible to fake an epidemic/pandemic, which happened in the USA in 1976 under then POTUS Gerald ford, a interesting snippet on Ford is that he’s the only POTUS never to be elected by the public to office, and the only Vice President never to be elected by the public to office.

link to globalresearch.ca

Hey I know a better conspiracy theory than the anti vaxxer one,

I looked up into the sky’s with wonderment and amazement all during lock down,
For there it was, for all to see,
in 2020,
The planes had stopped flying and the sky was blue,

Clouds rolled by like they used too.

No more blanket grey,
For who is to say

That experiments in cloud seeding and control.
Was what made our planet so cold,

But climate change is to believed.
It is getting warm.

The sun is dangerous,
And the floods cause harm.

But here I sit,
Realising that caveman never wore sunscreen

That there were floods in Noah’s time.
Did he believe in climate change.

Yet down in history, starvation of the brits.
Food famine and dying livestock.

In the bible, and 1300s 1400s and so on in a historic glitch.
Climate change before the industrial revolution.

Before plastic bag and pollution.
And frozen Britain in the early 1700s.

It is so wonderous,
That climate change is caused by us,

That earth does not please itself.
From before BC, to present day.

That lowering our footprint is true.
But in 2020,
I am wondering why the sky is so blue.

Let me get this right.

They admit the vax does not stop you catching “covid”.

They admit the vax does not stop you passing on “covid”

They admit there are lots of “double vaxxed” in hospital with “covid”.

By that reckoning the non vaxxed are no more dangerous than the righteous ones.

What exactly is the point?

Gary45% says:

So there is plenty to discuss.

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Can you give some examples of what we can discuss?

I would be happy to go along with anything you suggest and contribute if I.

Andy Ellis says: at 6:40 pm

“Anyone that has legitimate health reasons not to be vaccinated, fair enough.”

Good to have you acknowledge this point, so why can’t you put your views across in away that doesn’t get folk’s backs up by derogatorily blanketing anybody that has concerns about receiving the jags at this time as being an anti-vaxxer.
You are an articulate guy so you’re clearly capable of writing in a way that wasn’t so likely to cause this problem.
You start with a similar needlessly hostile modus with discussions about franchise eligibility too.
Most matters are not black and white, so attempting to hold discussions as if they are is far from ideal.

I’ll counter the rest of your post with the alternative point asking why do some folk react badly to the jags.
I’m not talking about feeling a bit off for a few days, I’m talking feeling really bad for a week after the first jag, then recovering, then as soon as second jag was administered they took ill and within two days had a stroke and heart attack (fortunately surviving). This happened to a friend of a friend.
Is that adverse reaction to the jags because they would have been hit hard with the virus, or is it because they were one of the significant number of folk that would be asymptomatic if they caught covid as they already had some natural immunity to it, and as a result of being exposed to whatever is in the injected serums it created an adverse negative reaction.

@ Al Stuart

Aye, whatever…

J Galt,
Yes, you are correct except for the unvaccinated being more likely to spread the virus.
Hatuey as a statistician (I think) has already explained why he believes you are more likely to be infected by the vaccinated, completely destroying Andy Ellis’s argument about the horribly contagious unvaccinated.

@republicofscotland: I hadn’t seen that article on swine ‘flu before but I believe a later vaccine for it was withdrawn after either 50 or 53 deaths (I have read conflicting totals).

At Al-Stuart: Dan is normally the last person to indulge in a “foul-mouthed rant”. Perhaps you have missed Andy Ellis’s habitually gratuitous insults against anyone he disagrees with. And if you think Dan has no appreciation of irony you have obviously missed his humorous comments on the trans debate and the Iona Dicks of this world.

J. Galt boiled it down to the basic question:

“Let me get this right.

They admit the vax does not stop you catching “covid”.

They admit the vax does not stop you passing on “covid”

They admit there are lots of “double vaxxed” in hospital with “covid”.

By that reckoning the non vaxxed are no more dangerous than the righteous ones.

What exactly is the point?”

I’m afraid I’m fast coming to the conclusion that this is not all about a government’s concern for public health but is rather about massive profits for the pharmaceutical companies and more control over us, the proles, for governments.

Sadly, by the time most folk realise the trap they have entered, it may well be too late.

‘Mon the warming lobsters in the pot…..

Everything after indyref is a negative…

Statistics, damned statistics and lies.

Delighted that the Great British Lions have been gubbed by South Africa. There are a few token Scots in the team but Warren Gatland generally does not like Scots in his team. A victory for a small country over the great British Colonial power !!!!

Tinto Chiel says:

I’m afraid I’m fast coming to the conclusion that this is not all about a government’s concern for public health but is rather about massive profits for the pharmaceutical companies and more control over us, the proles, for governments.

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Why would they put us into lockdown, close businesses & have to pay furlough if their main interest was profits for the pharmaceutical companies?

Andy Ellis says:
7 August, 2021 at 8:02 pm

@ Dan 6.40 pm

Some issues are black and white. There are right answers and wrong answers.

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All issues are black and white.

There are right and wrong answers only.

Wrt to vaccination, labelling those who have chosen not to have this vaccine as anti-vaxxers is an absurd stance to take. More so when valid reasoning is provided to support the stance.

Yet here you are, all blinded by your own fragile ego.

Your bland style of writing was apparent in your thesis, which you have referenced as giving you the authority to identify as an expert in international relations.

My question is – Does it, aye?

I’ve never tried to close down any discussions on here and I don’t think anyone else here has the right to either. If people want to debate covid stuff, let them do so.

Actually, if there’s one subject that gnaws at me, it’s independence. I don’t know how anyone can discuss the subject with a straight face these days, not while Monsters Inc. are running the show.

There’s no permutation of bad things anyone could say about the Sturgeon regime that hasn’t been said a thousand times before.

She’s turned us all into those grotesque figures that Bacon painted, waiting at the base of the crucifixion.

I’ll wait because there’s nothing else to do. It’s resurrection or bust. But I’m sick of talking about why we are left waiting and the thing we are waiting for.

No offence intended to those who think otherwise.

Brexit shortages Breeks. You must be mistaken. The empty shelves in the supermarkets are a Brexit dividend.

And the petrol stations with typically up to half of the diesel pumps closed due to the tanks being empty, that’s another Brexit dividend.

Or what about the engineering and construction industry on a go slow or stoppage due to lack of cement, or plasterboard. That’ll be another Brexit dividend.

Tis truly fantastic, our Majestic Britannia out of supplies and on a go slow whilst Europe prospers. They don’t like it up em, but we do.

Oh the joy and our second rate navy is off on a world tour to kick Chinese and Russian ass too. Methinks the Ruski’s and the Chinese could sink Britain’s finest and send the bits home in union jack liveried poly bags. Wouldn’t that be lovely, a lovely war where John Bull and Horatio Nelson could die for their country. Would make one proud, very proud.

Yes War War, that’s the ticket, that is what we want. Loose the fuckin nukes, Britannia’s back. Cruising for a bruising Igor or Chineeman. Who dare meddle with Big Britannia.

There rant over. Who cares if we’re short of goods and our economy is on stop.

@J Galt, 7.00
What exactly is the point?

The bank repo market crashed on September 17 2019. link to wallstreetonparade.com
(Crisis started August 14 2019 link to wallstreetonparade.com
(And the crisis has continued – Wall Street on parade’s ongoing series on the Federal Reserve’s 2019-21 Bailout of Wall Street link to wallstreetonparade.com)

So under cover of a pandemic terror campaign, there is the controlled demolition of economies ushering in neo-feudalism (“you will own nothing and you will be happy”, “build back better”, “the New Normal”, marketing slogans based on “COVID 19: The Great Reset”by Klaus Schwab). Contact tracing is being positioned to become an enabler of mass surveillance. This would be the only reason for the Vaccine Passports given the fact that the experimental gene therapy injections do not provide sterilising immunity so people who have taken the injection can still catch and transmit the infection.

“Beautifully said by the twenty-year old student, who confronted Sturgeon today at her constituency festival, and asked her why she hasn’t opposed the removal of oil in the Cambo field”

Frankly, I would be far more impressed if the 20 year old had confronted Sturgeon today and demanded a credible justification as to why the political fraud is negligently haemorrhaging Scotland’s children’s biggest assets by deliberately delaying Scotland’s independence in order to allow the English establishment to benefit from what is obviously one of the biggest oil deposits in Europe.

I understand they are planning to start the pumping of oil of this Scotland’s oil deposit in 2022. If the political fraud was a real nationalist, she would be fighting tooth and nail to get independence before then, so Scotland could get ALL the benefit from ITS asset. Instead, what we have in control of Scotland’s government and in control of Scotland’s pro independence MPs is a spineless political fraud who is deliberately denying Scotland its self determination in order to hand Scotland’s assets over to England and then pay some sort of deflecting lip service to environmentalism to distract us of the real problem here.

It would be interesting to know if that massive oil deposit is one of the main reasons why this political fraud is pushing indyref back. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is. Of course the English establishment (and the American one) must take the biggest chunk of Scotland’s resource, as they have done with every other one. That is what the political fraud is there for, isn’t she? to hand everything of value out and to leave the Scottish people without it.

The cynical in me does not believe the 20 year old and does not believe that there is now interest in stopping the pumping out of this oil field at all. The cynical in me thinks that this climate protest against this oil field is just another engineered smokescreen to save the political fraud’s arse and, once again, make the people of Scotland think that our best assets are worthless, that our oil is bad and that we are better off handing it over to England as it has been happening for the last 40 years.

The oil contained in that oil field is worth a fckng fortune and could do a lot of good to Scotland. It could offer a future to our children and grandchildren. It could help to create jobs to retain our young people here instead of watching them emigrate. it could reduce the drug deaths. It’s Scotland’s oil. It’s scotland’s asset and it should not be England’s and American’s establishment profiting from it, it should be the people of Scotland, our children and grandchildren who profit from it. And this would have been the case if instead of a political fraud batting for the other side what we had in control of Scotland’s government and the SNP was a proper nationalist FM, one that protects the interests of Scotland rather than sacrificing them for the sake of those of England’s elite. One that safegardes our assets instead of handing them over.

Now that I have learned about this oil field being started to produce oil in 2022, I have not a shadow of a doubt this political fraud has wasted 6.5 years of Scotland’s time and is prepared to waste another 10 so the English establishment can drain that massive oil field dry leaving Scotland, once again, barren with nothing.

This new oil deposit is just another example of how Scotland is being pillaged and how those who are tasked to protect our interests like this FM are instead betraying Scotland for the sake of England’s elite interests and helping them to drain Scotland of wealth.

The protest against the oil field is another example of the continuous gaslighting Scotland is being subjected to, just like the visit of the blond buffoon to the offshore wind farm.

Considering that the English establishment stands to make an absolute fortune out of the draining of that massive oil deposit, are we expected to believe now that suddenly, the blond buffoon, the tories and the English establishment that pulls his strings suddenly developed a conscience for the environment and an interest in wind farms?

yeah, right.

No other country in the world considers the discovery of massive oil deposits as a burden. Yet, here in Scotland we are constatnly being gaslighted to think it is a burden and we are better off without it. And all because we have a extremely greedy neighbour that wants the full benefit from it and we have useless, corrupt and unprincipled politicians in control of Scotland who fall over themselves to hand everything of value to that neighbour.

I cannot begin to describe the contempt I have for this FM. An utterly and completely useless Scotland’s FM as there ever was one. Absolutely useless to protect Scotland’s interests. Absolutely useless to protect Scotland’s assets. Absolutely useless to push Scotland’s autonomy to protect Scotland’s citizens of a pandemia. Absolutely useless to deliver democracy. Absolutely useless to protect our autonomy. Absolutely useless to abide by international law and respect Scotland’s legitimate right to self determination. Absolutely useless at understanding and safeguarding Scotland’s popular sovereignty, rights and powers. But hey, she is the best asset the labour party and of course Westminster have ever had in Scotland.

So, when did she met her boss Starmer during his last visit to patronise the Scottish people? Are we expected to believe that the two leaders of the two main England parties have been to Scotland at the same time and they did not visit their asset?

That 20 year old young lady says she is worried about her future. Well, if she is worried about her future she should be demanding the political fraud to stop procrastinating and start acting as a fckng leader and a pro independence FM by delivering independence to protect Scotland’s assets instead of haemorraging them. She has wasted us 6.5 years already. She has wasted us countless powers and the control of several assets. Now she is losing us years of revenues from the oil in that combo oil field.

When enough is enough?

@Mia 9.33 pm

Given the circumstances and location you’d think the pertinent question would have related to why her government was cutting off funding for the Govanhill Law Centre?

Young people these days, honestly 🙂

Mia @9.33pm.

Its patently obvious to me that the SNP have be infiltrated, and are now on a go slow, if not a complete halt to Scottish independence.

If the (IRA) and the (NUM) can be infiltrated to the very top the SNP can also fall victim to this and I believe they have.

A bit of background reading on the length of the British states arm.

link to campbellmartin.blogspot.com

link to dailymaverick.co.za

link to powerbase.info

link to undercoverresearch.net

@Andy Ellis

This political fraud has been handing Scotland’s assets over to England like sweeties for 6.5 years. Sorry, I do not fall for that environment protest. I am convinced it is more gaslighting, just like the continuous gaslighting the Scottish people has been subjected to for over 40 years because Scotland has oil that the English ruling elite want for themselves.

How many billions per year of revenue from that Scotland’s oil field is the political fraud going to haemorrhage from Scotland for her deliberately delaying independence?

I think we should start adding up the real economic cost of having this political fraud for 6.5 years in control of Scotland’s government and the SNP. Her 6.5 years of “blunders” have certainly not been cheap. We complained about the 6000 sq miles of territorial waters labour stole from Scotland right before opening Holyrood and handed over to England, but I think the worth of this oil deposit together with all the powers and assets the political fraud has already handed over to England, including the NHS and the water, the shale gas licences in Scotland, the number of unnecessary deaths due to COVID and the economic damage her continuous lockdowns have inflicted on Scotland because she couldn’t find the backbone to lock the borders, the expensive civil and criminal cases against Mr Salmond, the cost of the parliamentary inquiry and of course the cost of the malicious prosecutions actually surpasses that by a mile.

I am sick of the procrastination, sick of being patronised, sick of this woman’s contempt for democracy and self determination and sick of the continuous undermining of Scotland’s assets under her watch so England can continue bleeding Scotland dry.

Andy Ellis says:
“I wonder if my daughters cancer patient friend who died of Covid in his mid 20’s would be thanking all the anti-vaxxers”

I wonder also if the still grieving parents of this young man would be at all comfortable with a pointedly resentful and acerbic individual using their son’s tragic and untimely death to score points on, what, an independence blog?

Here’s a different way of looking at the whole ‘bug/vaccine’ thing…

If you accept that people such as the late Chooky Embra and Stanley Johnson are typical of a certain mind-set (i.e. that of the people who actually have real power) then they should be taken seriously when they openly state what, to them, is ‘the truth’.

Because no matter how outlandish it may sometimes appear to us plebs, we have to remember that we *are* just plebs, and don’t think the way our superiors do. We just can’t. And they know we can’t.

To them, we are livestock. Calling us ‘subjects’ is, in their eyes, a very great honour – one we don’t appreciate nearly enough.

I posted a link here, yesterday, to the full Guardian interview (*) with Stanley Johnson (2012) – a brief segment has gone viral on Twitter, sparking a rash of rebuttals and ‘explanations from so-called ‘fact-finders’. The controversial segment is at approx 22mins.

Regardless of how one interprets the whole interview, the one solid fact is this – Johnson spoke the truth as he sees it. He stated his sincere belief that Britain having a projected population of 70 million is just ‘ridiculous’ and that he would be much happier if it were ‘around the 15 million mark’. He wasn’t joking. And he underscored the longevity of his interest in this subject by referring to a paper he wrote for the Conservative Party, in 1972, entitled ‘Why Britain Needs A Population Policy’. (which is available for purchase via GoodReads, if anyone’s that interested.)

It doesn’t matter what ‘we’ think of these comments, because Stanley’s just ‘Boris’s Dad’ and has always been a bit of a joke, yah? It doesn’t matter that Boris, along with his siblings, listened to their father and absorbed his ideas every bit as keenly as the rest of us did with our Da’s. Prince Philip doesn’t matter – it’s easy to dismiss him as a racist oaf who joked that he wanted to be reincarnated as a deadly virus which would wipe out most of humankind.

It doesn’t matter that Johnson and Phil The Greek both gained prominent positions (in their respective ‘organisations’) developing policy on environmental concerns. It doesn’t matter that Phil was President of the WWF when everyone knew that he enjoyed nothing better than legally blasting the living daylights out of any large creature he could find, at home or abroad. And it certainly doesn’t matter that Stanley Johnson was trying to develop a population policy for Britain whilst fathering six children.

I could rant on about this stuff all night, but I’ll spare ye – just please consider this…

Robert McNamara, in ‘The Fog Of War’, outlined 11 Lessons he’d learned in his long life. The first was ‘Empathize With Your Enemy.’

So, let’s imagine that people like Stanley Johnson and Phil (God rest ‘im) are honestly articulating the concerns of the elite. The global population has to be reduced. Drastically.

And they see it as their duty. It’s The White Man’s Burden, redux…

So, if you accept that that’s how *they* view it, and if you acknowledge that they have the power to do it. (Because let’s face it, we don’t.)

How would you do it?

Have a Third World War?

You can’t just get reps of monarchies to have a long weekend at a stately pile, ‘Remains of the Day’-style. People now are too clued-up generally. And too comfortable. They’re simply not going to allow themselves to be marched off to war.

Nuke them?

Nah, it’ll just poison the planet even more.

Kill them via cancers introduced via shite food and tampered-with water supplies?

Hmm, mibbe, but that’s too slow…

So, how would you go about it?

Eh?

Hatuey?

Andy?

Just being logical, and objective, how would you tackle this particular ‘problem’?

Genuinely curious for your thoughts.

Because I’m fucked if I can think of a more effective method than what’s happening right now.

* link to youtube.com

@Ian B: Bojo Senior may be seriously deranged, but he’s only spouting the same old eugenicist crapola that the Rothschilds and their like have been ejaculating for a long time of long times.

I’m ok with it as long we start the winnowing out at the top, removing the “worthless eaters” like the royals, nobility and other establishment toadies and genuflectors until we are left with the real contributors to society, from the hypothetical, eternal wee post mistress at Muckle Flugga to the sort of selfless guy who built Calum’s Road on Raasay.

@Tinto Chiel (11.23) –

Johnson doesn’t ‘sound’ deranged though, does he? He appears to be ‘intensely relaxed’ about it all (i.e. advocating a cull of humankind), presumably because he’s used to doing so without much resistance. He certainly didn’t get much from yon Vidal character.

Alan Clarke was another one who perhaps spilled just a bit too much, giving us oiks some wee clues to work with.

I daren’t comment on your ‘winnowing’ idea…

(But it’s a fuckin belter!)

😉

On the other hand of course, England taking Scotlands oil reduces the risk of an invasion or regime change by the USA.

I think that’s the closest we’ve ever gotten to you outlining your viewpoint on any of this, Brotherhood.

So, basically, there’s potentially an argument along the lines of ‘the vaccine is possibly being used to kill off about 75% of the population who the rich and powerful think are surplus to requirements and having a negative impact on the environment…”

I’m going to struggle to answer that seriously without sounding like I’m trying to wind people up, but I’ll give it a try.

First thing, the vaccine appears to be saving lives, not killing people. All the evidence suggests it’s saving a lot of lives in the UK right now. If we are going to doubt the data and all the doctors and experts on this — and possibly assume they’re all in on the plot — well, we are well and truly down a rabbit hole…. and well and truly fucked.

Secondly, not only do we have lots of data, science, doctors, and experts who suggest the opposite (that the vaccine is saving lives, not killing people), we have lots of corroborating evidence that suggests the rich and powerful are keen to get back to business as usual rather than kill billions of people.

Third, most importantly, there’s virtually no evidence outside of those videos you link to that supports the mass extermination theory.

We can see what the rich and powerful are doing every second of every minute on the stock market and there’s no indication that they are planning for a future with dramatically less people. On the contrary, it’s very much business as usual there, and there’s a lot of optimism.

Lots of us think there are too many people on the planet and have concerns about the environmental impact, pollution, etc. That doesn’t mean we want to mass murder billions of people. And there are potential solutions outside of mass extermination.

The attitude of the rich and powerful to climate change is written everywhere in lights. There’s no real attempt to hide it. They simply don’t give a fuck. Most of them undoubtedly think their wealth will allow them to ride it out unscathed, whatever happens, and they are probably right.

If it gets really bad and wipes out billions of people, well, from the uncaring bastard’s perspective you hint at, that would be a solution, not a problem. There’s actually a science behind that too, called Gaia Theory which I sort of believe in…

Hatuey says:
8 August, 2021 at 12:47 am

I think that’s the closest we’ve ever gotten to you outlining your viewpoint on any of this, Brotherhood.

So, basically, there’s potentially an argument along the lines of ‘the vaccine is possibly being used to kill off about 75% of the population who the rich and powerful think are surplus to requirements and having a negative impact on the environment…

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Then, finally, you acknowledge the plausibility of such a plan, which is what Ian’s point actually was.

To claim that there are only vaxxers and anti-vaxxers shows that totalitarianism is your bag. Vaccination for breakfast, lunch and tea every day is delicious at this time of year, I hear?

“If it gets really bad and wipes out billions of people, well, from the uncaring bastard’s perspective you hint at, that would be a solution, not a problem. There’s actually a science behind that too, called Gaia Theory which I sort of believe in…”

Gaia hypothesis pits living organisms against their inorganic exterior, the thing organisms originate from in the first place. Sounds a riveting read.

Scott: “finally, you acknowledge the plausibility of such a plan, which is what Ian’s point actually was.”

In the biggest comment I’ve possibly ever made, I flatly rejected the “plan”. You’re confusing my determination to answer seriously and without ridicule for an acknowledgement of the plausibility.

Gaia Theory, in a nutshell, postulates that organic systems will self regulate. There’s good evidence of that happening at various levels, but I wouldn’t want to bore you.

Re Covid 19 and Flu Vaccines – The Rich effin Tory Yoons want Lebensraum. From their point of view there are too many prols in the UK and by that I mean too many Jocks, Taffs and Micks and other peasants in the Britisher Isles. They would love nothing more than Covid 19 and the Flu to wipe us all out. They wont loose any sleep over mass murder like their spiritual leaders from 1930’s Germany. Herd Immunity Uber Alles!!!!