Wings Over Scotland

I always knew those big, black toxic metal underwater ship thingies would come in handy one day. Phew!

The purpose of having Trident on the Clyde is to create a must hit target for any aggressor. In the event of Nuclear war it has been decided by the Toff Boys in London its where the missiles are that will be target no 1, therefore London and the so called Home Counties will be spared as this is the most valuable asset any aggressor would want.
As for Clydeside and central Scotland (there will be more than one bomb) well so what, we can build a monument to the dead and cry crocodile tears at it every year could even lay wreaths of Thistles and have an annual thistle day, should be a few bob in that.

But if we scrap trident, how will we defend the foodbanks??

Excellent. OK, OK enough pressure. Will buy the book. Happy holidays in Spain and the rest of the world. For inspiration.

Spain joined the EU in 1986. Joined the euro in 2002 after a 3 year transition period. Catalonia is an autonomous region of Spain. Not totally autonomous but as damn near to it as possible.

Catalonia is comparable to a State of London S/E, extremely wealthy. Including housing fraud and speculation. Hapoehed in the Costas of the southern coast. Compared to the rest of northern Spain. A Pozzi/pyramid scheme of housing fraud and speculation. Johnny Foreigner defrauded. Many people lost their life savings. Too much superfluous, borrowing and sprctulstion. upon the London lending markets. Some people did very well out of it Defrauding and manipulating the rest of the people, with total disregard for those in poverty/need. Sucking it in. The equivalent of the Tories. ‘Pycho bastards.’ Not the poor under dogs as portrayed,

The situation is entirely different in the UK, The Scottish Ibdependence movement is totally different for those reasons. When/if Caralonia votes No which is highly likely, based on previous voting patterns and the figures, It could/will be used as a stick against the Scottish Independence Movement. To try to beat it with. It will not succeed. The speculation. That is being set up. Lined up even as people speak by ignorant commentators, Do not buy into it. A false narrative by people who have nothing better to do. By not considering the difference. That is the danger of inconsudered interference.

That has been done already by ignorant, incompetent ‘reporters’. This fakse narrative not borne out by the facts.but being reported. If they vote NO. It will be heralded false as a victory agaibst Independence Movements, especially Scotland’s. The MSM will have a field day.a fakse narrative that does not compute by comparison or the figures etc. The incompetent, ignorant MSM has already done that. Playing this false narrative of comparison. Despite the different circumstances,

The Scottish Independence support is higher than support in Catalonia. (40%?) In Dcotland it is 50/50 and holding up well. Increasing? Despite external pressures.

The EU/Eurozone are doing well after the financial crash, Thry have come out the other side with growth and higher productivity and prosperity. Clamping down on the tax evaders who pay no tax on vast profits anywhere in the world. Clamping down on fraud and corruption in the common agriculture zone, encouraging green policies and an equal fair trade dealing, Open to all members saving fuel and energy and advocating equality and fairness. Supporting those who need it all around the world.

The rest of the UK economy is tanking. Scotlabd is only bearing up because of the )SNP) Gov and their advantageous policies. Standing up for ascotlabd. Just keep on voting SNP/SNP. Vote for FFA/Indepenence. Simple. For Scotland to be more prosperous, equal, fairer and happier. It works if you let it. It doesn’t if you don’t. One day at a time. We will overcome. We will overcome. We will overcome. One day soon.

It will be all set up. A central bank etc. This time it will not fail. Go for it when the time is right. Lessons have been learnt. A realignment with the sun and the moon, The runes have been thrown. The spider fed. The spells have been spun like a spiders web. Rehomed and rezoned. The skills rehoned. The concoction brewed. The planets are re aligning with the stars, moon and sun (not that one), in the right orbit. Let the unionists fall into the trap, of their own making. This time the time will be right . The Referendum will be won. FFA/Independence in Europe,

Leave the Catalons/Spain to get on with their own affairs and find their solution. Unique to them.

Go on the internet . PThe narrative is there. It take 5 to 10 mins. Instead of regurgitating nonsense. To find out what is really going on. The transcript available. Stop peddling the myths. It is a unionist trap. Spun by extremely corrupt, immoral people.

With the all too obvious incompetence of the United Kingdom government, that we can all see on a daily basis.

If the United Kingdom ever considered using the USA owned deterrent that is based in Scotland the UK incompetents would forget to change the original targets and take out several Russian strategic targets.

That would then start WWIII between the USA and Russia with both of these World Powers targeting the United Kingdom in general and the Clyde in particular.

Sorry arthur,meant to use your christian name.

That’ll be the Doomsday Clock on the wall, Chris! If ever there was a demagogue ready to scorch the world it’s Trump – and the tragedy is he has fans who will cheer him on as the flames engulf them too!

:Your knockout weekend reading:

The Hassan Hustle: link to wp.me
Of man and native: link to wp.me

Just about to set off for the ferry but wanted to wish you all a happy , successful day in Freedom Square.

I have no doubt that whether 1,000 or one million turn up the BBBC/STV will report ‘ over three hundred people attended’- that’s if they bother at all or find some useful cat stuck up a tree instead.

Somebody give Ronnie a hug from me , thanks!

@Ken500

Im not so sure that catalan will vote no.

In the last 24 hours spanish government have sent armed police into catalonia to sieze posters related to the fortcoming independence poll and are threatning to arrest mayors and newspaper editors.

Given Catlonias history with Spain under Franco, this will likely make more people vote for independence.

Spain have also said that nothing is off the table in how they will deal with this.

Denmarks observers are already making complaints to spanish government over this.

Got on the internet read up,on the facts and history, voting patterns and numbers. The figures don’t add up. In any case it is their problem. if they vote. Yes or No. Both sides want to stay in the EU. . A different scenario.The Catalonia/Spain (Quebec) experience can be used against the Scottish Independence movement by false narrative of the full facts.,Regurgitating nonsense. Leave them to it.Stay out of it, The Spanish Gov stayed out of Scottish/UK/EU affairs. Respected neutrality.

Good luck with the Glasgow rally. Thanks for all those who can’t be there. Thanks a million.

Japanese children must be delighted to know that Scotland is host to US weapons managed by Westminster. Japan. after all, has direct experience of nuclear weapons dropped on them by the US… the only country so far to drop nuclear bombs on anyone.

I support the SNP stance. Get rid of these appalling weapons. Who can blame KJU when faced with the history of US/UK aggression.

On a brighter note – Outlander hero’s grandfather, Simon Fraser, may be buried near Inverness. He was thought to have been beheaded in London after Culloden. The Old Fox grave is about to be examined…
link to bbc.co.uk

Good luck everyone in Glasgow today.

Thank goodness for Ferguson Marine in Port Glasgow, and its owned by a good independence supporter, there are some good shipbuilding yards on the clyde that don’t have to build warships to survive

Weapons of Mass Deception!

© Smallaxe

Very good!

Why are the SNP not campaigning to get Trident moved the England? They could block the whole place off and make it inaccessible, they could be working out alternative employment for the workers, they could be making a huge fuss, but nothing.

@ray visino…

Are you like, 10 years old ?

Defence is RESERVED to WM, so we have NO SAY where Trident is based.

It will not be a political party which removes trident from Scotland.

That will ONLY be achieved by voting YES to an independent Scotland in the upcoming referendum.

You best go back to your choo choo set.

A while back they were demonstraiting in London about the air pollution in London saying that a third runway at Heathrow wild affect mainly black populated areas their slogan was black lives matter well I said with every nuclear weapon on Britain plus trident stored in Scotland do Scots lives matter??? I mean the threat of nuclear accidents or being the target in a war is surely a greater health hazard than air pollution???

@smallaxe 9.23 a.m. Weapons of Mass Deception [the MSM]. Excellent!!!

Two links from yesterday’s BBC about Catalonia.

link to archive.is

link to archive.is

@ mike cassidy – thx for link. Didn’t see the “Spain plays Cat and Mouse item. All very interesting to see the techniques an authoritarian state finds to suppress democracy.
link to archive.is

Useless? Trident?

As an accurate defence mechanism, probably.

As a killing machine, it probably works just fine.

As an efficient weapon, it probably costs £1000 for each person it kills.

We ALL need to wrestle control of our nation’s futures out of the hands of (those blinded by) the MILITARY lobbyists.

All blocs and individual nations have now neen aligned like a board game, with the dice (democracy) having been heavily loaded by unnatural politics.

WHO PUT THESE GUYS IN CHARGE?

@Bradford Millar says: 16 September, 2017 at 10:03 am:

” … being honest i cannot see Scotland being in NATO one of the requirements they will impose on us for NATO membership is for FUK (Former UK) to have it’s nuclear base remain in Faslane”

That is very obviously utter claptrap, Bradford. It is the kind of bullshit that is spread all over Scotland by the Westminster Establishment propaganda wing.

Let us, first of all consider the real facts. NATO is:-“The North Atlantic Treaty Organization”, and its current membership is 29 member countries. Of these only two are located in North America – (Canada and the United States) – and 27 are European countries and Turkey is actually in Eurasia.

To gain NATO membership all members must agree to help NATO countries in combat situations. There are only three NATO Member Countries that have Nuclear capability or only two when the real truth is that the United Kingdom’s is actually not an independent deterrent but is actually controlled by the USA.

Furthermore, you are making the stupid Westminster Propaganda claim that in the event of Scotland re-gaining her independence that Scotland will be leaving behind an, “rUnited”, Kingdom. This is demonstratively idiotic. The legal title of the United Kingdom correctly describes it as a union of only two kingdoms and, in any bipartite union, when one partner decides the union is over then both partners part company- there cannot, therefore be a remaining United Kingdom. Wales and Northern Ireland were integral parts of the Kingdom of England in respectively, 1284 and 1542. I.e. The United Kingdom is a union of two Kingdoms – not of four countries.

On Scottish independence the United Kingdom returns to the legal Status Quo Ante of two independent KINGDOMS and thus the Kingdom of England AND the Kingdom of Scotland are both no longer members of NATO and either NATO will have to accept both as members or both as non-members.

Now consider the stark choice that the remaining NATO member states will face – only two of those now have nuclear weapons. These two are the USA & France and the current United Kingdom is at loggerheads with France due to the UKExit now in progress.

The rest of the NATO Member States do not have nuclear weapons and then we have the stark fact that Scotland is in the unique position of having the so called, “North Atlantic Gap”, in Scottish territorial waters and that North Atlantic gap is vital to remaining under control of NATO member countries as it is the doorway for Russian naval vessels gaining entry to the North Atlantic.

Now, Bradford, you may want to reassess your Britnat propaganda inspired claims and consider NOT accepting Westminster Establishment propaganda at face value but to look at the situation as it really is.

I’ve mention only the true facts of what the United KINGDOM actually is but which Westminster runs as if it is the De facto sovereign Parliament of England in control of the three other subservient countries that England holds sovereignty over.

However, there are several other legal facts that are no more than Westminster claims with no other legal claims than Westminster saying, “Because we say so”.

Here are just a few of them:-

The UK is a United Kingdom – it is not a single united country ruled over by England.

Therefore the United Kingdom’s memberships of countless treaties and trade agreements end when the only two kingdoms part company and the United Kingdom ends.

That means all those treaties & agreements made over 400 years are up for renegotiation and cannot be assumed to be only made by the Kingdom of England. So there is an easy and a hard way for all those treaties/agreements to be dealt with.

The easy way is for the parties involved to accept that both partner Kingdoms continue as equal individual members or they do not accept the easy solution and demand that each partner kingdom must renegotiate their membership and that could be a very long drawn out process.

So, just to take the EU membership as a prime example. How will the EU treat the two former UK partner kingdoms?

Simple really – Scots voted to remain the entire Kingdom of England voted to leave. So Scotland, still being EU Citizens, must become the legacy member state and the Kingdom of England, (Three countries), get their democratically voted for wish to leave as is their right as EU citizens to opt to leave.

Kurds now voting for Independence referendum. Is there no end to the desire for self-determination? No.
link to archive.is

@Jockanese Wind Talker

“But all these options can only be done as an Independent Nation State.

First we need an Indy Ref 2 win.”

^ 100% in agreement with the above ^

Is it the case that the UK mainstream media has been gagged by Theresa Mays UK dictator Government from reporting on Catalonia, and the disgraceful breeches of human rights, accompanied by threats to journalists in Barcelona?

Seriously, where is the media coverage??

Where is the condemnation by the Labour party? Solidarity with their global brothers and sisters and all that?

Their are serious echoes of the Franco dictatorship happening right now in Spain, a peaceful democratic movement and vote is being brutally suppressed by Madrid and its henchmen (Guardia Civil) and the media in the UK sticks its collective fingers in its ears, and sings lah, lah, lah… oh ,look a Hurricane in the Caribbean.

Passing the 10,000 hits mark …. link to wp.me

(I must have a read of it sometime.)

Trident is a secret thing that we all pay loadsa money to have but we never see it so given we don’t believe a word that comes out of the UK Guvs mouths about what they spend our money on why do we believe Trident really even exists at all

Maybe they’ve only got like one, like for show, it’s not as if anybody’s allowed to pop down and count, maybe Scotland’s just being used as the decoy target so the “real country” doesn’t get bombed

#showustheTridents

Now that I’ve thought about that, it’s not so funny

Lies, it was all lies says Vince Cable about the Brexit referendum so we must have another one with the truth

Scotland shouldn’t have another referendum though coz eh well , well they just shouldn’t, eh coz different,oh oh and the really big reason, erm well mumble mumble settled will mumble nobody wants it, mumble… NO!

Phew! glad that’s over!

Robert Louis said at 12:07 pm
“Is it the case that the UK mainstream media has been gagged by Theresa Mays UK dictator Government from reporting on Catalonia, and the disgraceful breeches of human rights, accompanied by threats to journalists in Barcelona?

Seriously, where is the media coverage??

Where is the condemnation by the Labour party? Solidarity with their global brothers and sisters and all that?…….”

It’s called Selective Reporting at the BBC in Scotland,
and Selective Amnesia by Labour in Scotland. 🙁

Hey Stu,

Did you hear Craig Murray at the rally?

He wants a statue of you in the square.

Our march went frae Holland Street on a beautiful new route thru Glasgow city and arrived at Freedom Square.

Looks like the going to Glasgow Green wiz a bum steer!

Here and now.

hey ruth the no support for indy2 has just walked through the centre of glasgow , aye yer right no support i was seeing things .

its ok you can catch it on the next bbc report ,ten people with strange flags walking through glasgow causing little or no traffic disruption .

police scotland have the situation under control casualties are not expected .

Cearc: “Hey Stu, did you hear Craig Murray at the rally?
He wants a statue of you in the square.”

I’ll pay for the traffic cone!

The terror threat has been elevated to imminent throughout the UK says the news
Police Scotland says no increased threat intelligence reports in Scotland
Welsh police have no reports of the same either

So it’s just Englands UK then

Not being flippant about terrorism just sarcastic about where the media thinks the UK is

Cheers @Cactus says at 2:11 pm

“We’re awe in ra Counting Hoose ra now.”

Hae one for me, just no a Black and Tan

😉

Dorothy Devine @9.30 am

I gave Ronnie a big hug!

@ Ottomanboi, re: Viva Catalonia

We didn’t have a civil war 80 years ago, where we were an anarchist-socialist revolutionary force, so the absence of that as part of our recent history tends to make any touch-paper for mass involvement less effective for our situation. We are far removed from the spirit of revolution; they still have people alive who were present during a revolution.

But I agree with your sentiment.

Hadn’t realised that the Counting House was on the cards but nice to say Hi to Ronnie, Kendo and Co. at George Square.

Very pleasant daunder around Glasgow and even the very small Yoonish ensemble were entertaining…although I have no idea what the guy with the megaphone was saying. He needs to work on his technique. I think his mouth was too close to the mic or something. The only word I heard was Hanover which was right, we did go up Hanover Street.

@Handandshrimp

If your still in the vicinity of the square there are a few Wingers in the counting house. Some you’ve met and some who’d like to meet you.
There is no plan for later but I think people might had for Waxy O’Conner’s two minutes from the square.

Cheers Alex, unfortunately had already jumped on a train home. However, I think we will be doing this again before long 🙂

Dr Jim says:
16 September, 2017 at 2:59 pm
The terror threat has been elevated to imminent throughout the UK says the news
Police Scotland says no increased threat intelligence reports in Scotland

Cops with machine guns on Glasgow city centre today though. There is probably nowhere safe now in teamGB. And all because Blair and Brown’s New Labour wanted to go to war with George fucking Bush. New Labour socialist workers marching off to war with neo fascist Bush GOP, is why we have Trident subs, two aircraft carriers of death, delivered directly to countries in hot places that can’t strike back. But ofcourse they can.

Hope there’s a hell for all the Westminster gimps and their rule britannia war monger liggers, who voted aye for war, war, lots and lots of lovely British wars.

Catalonia?….Catatonia from ‘our’ poisonous propapagandising State run media.

Bet MayBot the proto fascist and her capitalist cronies masquerading as political leaders are writing it all down in preparation for dealing with the ‘Jocks’ when they attempt their puny ‘fightback’…

The UVF serial killers and their coterie of armed scum protected for their silence in crimes perpetrated across the water will be awaiting orders to move on Glasgow to galvanise the ragged arse tory blue nose brigade to attack any public demonstrations in defence of our democratic mugging

Any bets ‘Police Scotland’ will be posted missing?….allowing military crackdown for public order reasons?

Enjoy today…it may be the last time Civic Scotland may be allowed to freely walk publicly.

Glasgow, Glasgow n Glasgow…

Fuck ra tories.

Love U.

Wings.

X.

Scotland Xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Juan P says: 16 September, 2017 at 12:04 pm:

“The Spanish government in madrid have shut down the Catalan government’s independence website and are busy shutting down any mirrors that appear.”

Which is the biggest mistake the Spanish government could possibly make. It will stiffen the resolve of the Catalans and turn most of the rest of the free World against Spain and it will even see Spain put under pressure from the European Union, the Council of Europe and the UN.

I believe that the Spanish Government has just blown any chance they had of defeating the Catalan Indy movement.

Ottomanboi says:
16 September, 2017 at 6:15 pm
If Scotland aspires to walk on the ‘international stage’ then Kurdistan and Catalonia matter.

With all due respect to those countries in waiting, none of them can even dream of coming close to the strategic importance of Scotland today, let alone Scotland’s natural resources, green and mineral, vast oceanic territory, extraordinary scientific, industrial soci economic contributions to the whole bloody planet, you get the picture…

One of teamGB’s greatest propaganda triumphs over Scots, shat out over and over by their BBC Scotland gimps, SLabour, tory dingdongs, Billy Connolly etc, is that Scotland really is just a region, not even anything like Catalonia really, and not to do down great Catalonian masters like Picasso, Miró and Dalí:D

Lochside says:
16 September, 2017 at 5:46 pm
Catalonia?….Catatonia from ‘our’ poisonous propapagandising State run media.

That last comment was for you Lochside, seeing as you’re the dilettante prick spotter. Its propagandising, by the way.

The ‘spendid islolation’ of Britain pace Brexit, has no place in the Scotland we all, I trust, desire.

Or not sticking your oar into other countries affairs, is another way to go. Brexit Britain’s being going around the world begging for trade deals, just as long it’s not with the dreaded EU.

Brexit Britain sells incredibly deadly weaponry for example, to anyone at all, for any purpose, like Saudi’s slaughtering Yemeni children with British guided missiles, the laser systems currently made in Scotland.

link to savethechildren.org.uk

@heedtracker
there is no such thing as ‘neutrality’. A free Scotland would be required to have an opinion, whether its politicians wished it or not. It is part of being a mature and responsible nation. Could a sovereign Scotland remain detached from the posturings of N Korea?

Heed the ba’… prickspotter I may well be… and one spotted prick are you …pedantic bawbag…..go back to adoring your slovenian lover and pointlessly and endlessly trolling other trolls with your riddles.. you diddler.

The 2008 Basque referendum on the question of Independence was prevented by the Spanish Gov,stating that only the Spanish Gov could hold a legitimate referendum,

the Basque`s appealed but the ruling was upheld by the European Court of Human Rights.

The Spanish Gov will block the Catalan Referendum.

Thank you Daisy Walker = ) Good words to a lovely tune!

Cactus and co. Well done! Big crowd big march for Indy 🙂 Have a grand time together 🙂 Wish I was there too!

Grouse Beater, a GOLD parking cone, yes?!

Chris, this must be an absoutely terrifying time for the People of Japan. BAN THE BOMB ! It’s the only way for a civilised world.

May our friends in Catalonia have the democracy and peace to pursue it that they so deserve. And may our friends in Spain find a way to accept this peacefuly and graciously.

Have a lovely evening folks =)

Ottomanboi says:16 September, 2017 at 2:47 pm:

“Can’t understand the ‘keep Catalunya at arms length, coz we’re different’ attitude.”

Yep! It is very, very obvious that you cannot understand it, Ottomanboi. For starters no one, well no one I’ve noticed on Wings, said anything about keeping them at arm’s length.

Only that the two situations are quite different and what is more the differences were made clear.

That being so the two situations cannot be compared to each other. Just as Oranges & Apples are both fruits but adding a number of oranges to a number of apples makes neither a quantity of oranges nor a quantity of apples. It makes either a bowl of fruit or a fruit salad.

The only things Catalonia & Scotland have in common is they both seek to be independent countries and both will ultimately succeed in doing so. As such we should, and do support each other. What we cannot do is learn from each other for the two situations are not comparable.

Scotland is the only legally equally sovereign partner kingdom in a United Kingdom that is currently being illegally ran as if the country of England was the United Kingdom yet England has no elected Government. Westminster is working as if it were the Government of England that no one has elected as such.

Westminster is using EVEL in order to govern England and prevent the other countries in the United Kingdom interfering in how they run England but Westminster is also claiming sovereignty over the other three countries of the United Kingdom and one of them, Scotland is a partner kingdom.

Westminster, is as its title attests, the United Kingdom parliament and there are only two kingdoms that signed the Treaty of Union.

In the case of Spain they are a unified country but are run as autonomous regions of one country. At the present time Catalonia has far more autonomy than Scotland has yet Scotland is legally a fully equal sovereign Kingdom that along with the three country kingdom of England are the only legal partners in the United Kingdom.

We thus cannot learn anything from each other but that doesn’t prevent us from supporting each other.

Lochside says:
16 September, 2017 at 7:41 pm
Heed the ba’… prickspotter I may well be

You’re more than that Lochside, is the point. Going to tell us how we’ll all be killed by the UVF again, in between prick spotting?

O/T – a bit late and I should be out clubbing etc anyway,
Just watched a u/tube clip of Dave McEwan hill interviewed at the forward shop in Dunoon, in my view a very good watch and should have a wider audience, So many interesting and intelligent folk supporting YES the biggest problem is probably getting the information around,
The interlopers who have attached themselves to almost every Indy site are doing it to create a fog and gum up the works and some how prevent the free flow of information everyone should have.
Again a good view well worth the effort looking for it, Forward Shop Dunoon .

re;Heedtracker@6.27&Ottomanboi

Yep, and vice versa. If Catalonia and Kurdistan are hoping to feature on the ‘international stage’ then Scotland matters. In fact if Scotand didn’t ‘matter’ we would be independent right now, set adrift by UKOK a long time ago.

I was watching some good youtube vids about Scotland’s peatlands. Did you know that Scotland consists of 20% peatland, and has 15% of the worlds ‘blanketbog’. Now that might seem insignificant, (as a friend in Eng told me Scotland is ‘insignificant’, prior to Sept 14) but it’s massive. 15%, in the world and the yoons started to destroy it with drainage and useless pine trees for tax evasion and to make a quick buck, in the 60/70/80s. It’s now it’s costing loads to restore if that is even possible. Hopefully the Scotgov have stepped in just in time.

I’d say that Scotland is very significant, I mean carbon store capacity of Scotland, via peatbogs, exceeds all of that of England’s forests. Hugely important as we all know.

It surely must be morally criminal to have nuclear weapons, anywhere. To have them forcibly housed in a next door country, against the will of the people living there, doubly criminal.

Great image today Chris btw.

Enjoyed the walk and rally in Glasgow today, not as busy as last year but good all the same.

One criticism I did hear apart from Marmite, love him or hate him Sheridan was that it’s difficult to get to Glasgow or Edinburgh from Inverness for a 10/11am start.

So, how’s about a YesNess rally? I’m sure the good folk of Inverness could accommodate a few visitors although last time I went there parking was a real pain. Need some local input.

Personally I’m lucky, I can use the Halbeath P&R and use my wrinkly’s bus pass, alternatively the use the campervan and make a few days for a trip.

Burp!

Hi dakk, hi rjs, hey Daisy!

You can come under ra umberella.

We are and be cool.

iScotland sooner than we think…

Wink wink. 😉

The hard core are about to vacate the bar…

Ronnie Anderson, Ruglonian et aye.

FUCK RA TORIES!

You know who ye are.

Love the love xx.

Aweright dare Chris Cairns.

The nuclear umbrella.

Aye.

Weave always owned midnight.

22nd Century iScotland.

Do it for yer kids.

Do it for you.

Hey pals, home safe thanks to the lovely Ronnie – no night bus nutters for me! – and a big good night kiss to all my boys 😉
See you all soon, thanks for another brilliant evening – Onwards!

@Ruglonian (12.27) –

Hoots tae you sister – twas a braw nicht indeed.

😉

aw we need noo is Cactus tae report in hame safe .

Ian Brotherhood , see ah telt ye Wingers Wing it Great night Lads N Lassies .

Headin’ home the auld fashioned way Ronnie…

These boots were made fur walkin’.

Will shout ye when ahm HOME.

@Ronnie Anderson et al –

Youse are aw pure bams.

At’s aw am sayin’.

😉

XXXX

It looks like people in Catalonia and not voting in high enough numbers to support holding a Ref in Independence. 2014.

2.300,000+ voted YES. To hold a referendum. The Catalonian authorities (politicians) of the totally autonomous region did/will not disclose the full result? of Voter %? Turnout It is calculated 30% to 40% of the electorate voted. It does appear a majority did not vote (to hold a referendum) The population is 7.5 million. Some will not be eligible to vote ie children etc. It is unlikely 1/3 of Catalonia population are children? Like most European counties the population is falling without migration. There was a dispute about €6Billion (£4Billion at the time. – exchange rate) This is not as high as it looks, Catalonia is 1/5 – 20% of the Spanish population. One of the wealthy provinces in Spain.

The banking crash in Spain predominately happened on the Costas. The Mediterranean coast. Housing fraud and speculation of which Catalonia played a part. Spain was borrowing too much from London lending markets which fuelled the banking crisis (in Spain) Holiday homes. Many EU citizens and others lost their life saving or deposits on houses etc which were not build or were of lower value. Worth half. People were defrauded with no rights. The Spanish legal system neeeds overhauling. It is geared to cheat, ‘foreigners’ EU citizens and residents.

However the Spanish Gov without fair or favour do enforce the Law when it comes to wrong doing. People are arrested and charged sent to prison if convicted. No matter who they are. Lawyers, judges, politicians, royalty, sports personalities, wealthy, poorer, thieves and murderers etc. This can act as a deterrent. Crime by comparison is relatively low. In the UK wrongdoers are lauded and honoured, especially donators who perpetuate the system and pollute the criminal justice system.

The Catalonia question is – two questions – ‘Should Catalonia be a State’. Then. ‘Should Catalonia be an Independent State. The second question can’t be answered. Without the 1st question being YES. In Spain other resident EU citizens can only vote in local or EU elections. They can’t vote in regional or national (Gov) elections) or Referendum? Or stand for election? Not eligible. It is reported they were/are eligible to vote in the Catalonia Ref Question? Is that accurate?

This is all totally different from the Scottish Ref (movement). In Scotland a majority of people voted for parties who supported it. On a PR (which is intentionally deliberately confusing for voterrs) A higher % of voters voted for it in Scotland. It is 50/50? A higher number. There is more support for Independence in Scotland. Higher nos voted for it proportionately

There is no fiscal autonomy in Scotland. Scotland is screwed big time by Westminster politicans for whom Scotland did not vote etc. Deceived criminally. Unlawfully mismanaged by a criminal Westminster Gov for whom the majority in Scotland did not vote. It is not about ‘Nationalism’. It is about right and wrong. It is about representation and fairness. No taxation without representation. Proper consultation. Not lies, deceit, misrepresentation fiddling the books and fraudulent representation. Betraying the voters since 1928 and before.

It could be argued the Spanish Gov authorities are restoring authority/order according to the majority people’s wishes. The Catalonian authorities are acting lawfully. According to the people’s wishes, voting pattern. The Catalonian authorities do have a majority in coalition with another Party. However it would appear a majority of the Catalonia electorate are not voting for it when the question was asked about having a Ref. It was an extremely low turnout (30/40%) for whatever reason. They will have to sort it out. Hopefully peacefully and democratically.

Spain is a beautiful country with wonderful people. Heathy lifestyle and diet. A realitively new Democracy. A constitutional monarchy. 1976. Joined the euro, after a three year transition 2002. EU membership has been good for Spain as most European counties. Both Catalonia/Spain want to stay in the EU. That is not a problem. Westminster Gov is more corrupt than Spanish Gov. Spain is more equal, fair and happy, Good healthier lifestyle and diet. More sunshine and free time which makes people happier. The rest of the EU (Eurozone) are doing better economically than the rest of the UK. With less debt.

There is a far higher support for Ibdependence in Scotland 50/50. With a far higher grievance. Total Lack of full fiscal autonomy which is backed by 70% of support.

The situation is different in every way. Any similarity cannot be considered without considering and comparing the differences. The problem is the Catalonia (Quebec) situation will be used by an ignorant and incompetent MSM et al, deliberately. To try and discredit the Scottish Independence Movement. Whatever happens and whatever way the vote goes or events turnout in Catalonia. The comparisons are already being made. Without considering the full facts.

If people believe in FFA/Independence and Scotland to be a more prosperous, equal, fair, happy caring, cohesive country. Just vote SNP/SNP Vote for Independence Never waver. Ever. Or it will never happened. Do not let outside influences distract from the prize. Go out and do all anyone can manage to make it happen. . Do not let illegal, contemptible Westminster criminal actions distract from the goal to transform Scotland into a more equal and fairer more happy democracy.

Westminster mismanagement is costing Scotland £20Billion a year. Illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion. Never vote unionist/green. They can’t be trusted in any way shape or form. Devious liars. They renege on their promises Vows. Just look at the 6 white men Green representation in Parliament. To see how they lie. Lack of gender deviation. Any excuse will do. The talk the talk but do not walk the walk. Or practice what they preach..They renege on green policies. The SNP are greener than the greens on a balanced economy. They get things done. The unionist in coalition mismanage and ruin the economy. Waste £Billions of public money and ignore the electorates wishes, especially of those who vote for them.

Links

link to indyref2.scot

link to rbs.postach.io

link to calumcashley.blogspot.co.uk

link to fginsight.com

link to jonworth.eu

link to vanityfair.com

link to dw.com

link to thecanary.co

Good morning, Nana, quite dull here today. Thank you, for your links. Kettle’s on.
🙂

I can’t ever …ever …see any nation using nuclear weapons, no matter how bad things might be for them. I’m sure it was Condoleeza Rice, who over a decade ago when the US was still having major problems with Iran, had warned that any nation (non-Western nations that is …let’s be honest here) built and then used the weapon, would not exist the next day. Their land and their people would be ash. I would agree with that assessment. If the North Koreans decided to fire an armed nuclear weapon at another nation, then irrespective that China sits on the North Korean border, the other major nuclear powers of the world (US, Russia, Britain and France) would nuke North Korea right out of existence. We would deal with the vast problems of radiation and the consequences of genocide in the aftermath.

However, as much as Kim Jong-Il may appear to be the mad man (and to a certain degree, he probably is), the man has no intention of nuking anyone. Simply put, he is building these weapons as a guarantee for successful negotiations, so that now and again, he can flex his muscles to get better trade agreements for his regime. For as long as food and fuel continue to supply his nation, then his rhetoric will simply be a case of mouthing off at anyone and everyone without really threatening a possible course of war. Kim Jong-Il knows that using just even one missile, or if his language did become seriously volatile, could not only see actual war, but before war would happen, he could potentially see himself overthrown by the Chinese, if not by his own Generals, as they become determined to stop the ‘problem’ that is endangering the world at that point. Kim Jong-Il knows that one or two of his own Generals, quietly persuaded by the Chinese, could end him. What General wouldn’t want to hold the reins of power if promised a better trade deal from the Chinese ally for as long as they govern a ‘softer’ North Korea?

But as to the UK having Trident. Yep …a complete waste of money. If any Western nation were to use the weapon, it would be America. I can’t ever see Britain or France using it. And if they did, well… the fury of the rest of the world would lead to sanctions and trade embargoes which would collapse either economy overnight. Only the US, Russia (and possibly China) could ride out any world sanctions. Therefore …why does this wee Island that pretends to be a great imperial power and sits at the Atlantic’s edge, with no real enemy for almost 3,000 miles …need a weapon that is only gathering dust in four submarines or in a bunker on an army base. I see no reason for it at all.

Good morning Smallaxe.

Earlier reply has gone astray. I think I forgot to remove the http from the Thomas Muir lecture by Tommy Sheppard.
It may appear later when Rev has cleared it so best check back.

Don’t want to risk a hammering for double posting!

iMO for YES2 to succeed it must move forward as a board collection of distinct organisations targeting different groups. However, all with the same message that Scotland must be governed by those who live here.

” English Scots for YES…persuade other English people are to vote yes, but almost as importantly, reassure the nation that there is no anti-englishness in the YES movement; as our motto put it, because it’s not about where you were born, but where we are going together, as a country. “

link to englishscotsforyes.org

Another group which is becoming active is … Pensioners for independence.

http://pensionersforindependence.scot

These two groups represent demographics which need targeting!

Re universal credit. Mark sums it up here:

link to marksimonfrankland.blogspot.co.uk

English Scots for Yes are suggesting they want to get a group funded to go to Catalan for the vote, as observers.

I think you need election experience, but good for them trying to get something going.

Valerie says:
17 September, 2017 at 11:04 am
English Scots for Yes are suggesting they want to get a group funded to go to Catalan for the vote, as observers.

We need to stay out of Catalonia completely. Its none of our business, observers or not. Some Spaniards are going to lose big time, just like Scotland did 2014.

The idea of “observers” in Catalonia is just more nonsense. Did you appreciate this from Andrew Marr and this staggering chunk of BBC attack propaganda, rammed down our throats in 2014?

link to bbc.co.uk

heedy,

Yesterday, I wandered within hearing range of R4 which I had forgotten to switch off and caught a voice saying,

‘India … following the loss of British Rule’.

No idea what it was but ‘LOSS of British Rule’ really caught my attention!

Ronnie, Ian and the rest of you who made the Rally Yesterday.

I hope it all went to plan and you all had a great day.

I was away drilling for Oil so couldn’t make it.

See you lot soon.

Look forward to any pics or video from Yesterday being posted up on Wings.

@ Valerie re English Scots for Yes , the 1st thing they need to buy is a Alarm Clock for Math he’s late for every event lol.

Spot on cartoon. Scrap Trident.

Okay, whilst the UK gov is wasting billions on destruction toys and being a general laughing stock around the world, back on earth, we have this appeal to help feed real people, our people who are suffering the wilful neglect of self same government.

This guy tries to stop a fair number of folks from starving, helps keep them warm and attempts to give them some hope. His expectations of being able to carry on doing this through the winter have been delivered a severe dunt with prospective funding denied. He has written a book to raise funds and has an appeal on Justgiving.

Blog here:
link to marksimonfrankland.blogspot.co.uk

Justgiving:
link to justgiving.com

Systems are overhauled following technical advancement.
Some resist, but then the benefits become apparent to all.

Treaties are overhauled when a great wrong is to be righted.
Some resist, but then the benefits become apparent to all.

Except where greedy motives have hoodwinked society itself.