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    1. cearc says:

      Very good, Chris.

      Nutshells come to mind.

    2. Stoker says:

      Her gun is a bit small, should she not have a tank? 🙂

    3. Conan the Librarian says:

      Chris has the scowl down to a T.

    4. Ruglonian says:

      Brilliant cartoon – Inconceivable policy 🙁

      (Mhairi Black gave an impromptu speech in George Square on Thursday evening – check it out – she seemed to really articulate the feeling about this disgraceful new political low)

    5. Snode1965 says:

      Can someone clarify for me…are these tax credits equivalent to the old family allowance?

    6. Socrates MacSporran says:

      I get the impression Ruth the Mooth is so far up herself, she will probably contact Chris to try to get the original, and have it framed.

      And still the Yoons love her and denigrate our First Minister. Nicola is Champions League class – the Mooth would struggle in the local pub league.

    7. Bugger (le Panda) says:

      Was wondering how you were going to handle this one Chris, subtly or full metal jacket.

      Problem solved; both.

      Time to stop pussyfooting with this lot”

      Bits on, steel toecaps and get in there. No more Mr Nice Guy.

      For the record Anas Sarwar, I was speaking metaphorically about the footwear

    8. Stoker says:

      Give her caricature a tank and Nazi swastika armband and it would be the Battle of the Bulge all over again.

      BTW, she rings a bell, i’ve seen her somewhere before! Got it, she’s the result of Nazi experimentation involving Hermann Goering.

    9. Arthur Martin says:

      Your cartoon says it all Chris. Captures perfectly the brutality of this terrible policy.
      I reckon RapeClauseRuth already knows that the continuation of the Union is a lost cause especially with the realities of Brexit becoming clearer.
      She is a careerist and is dutifully making all the right noises in the hope that her Tory chums recognise her heroic efforts to keep Scotland subservient, and offer her a job in a cosy wee Tory seat after Scotland becomes Independent.
      She cares nothing for ordinary folk, it’s all about Ruth. I personally can’t wait till she vanishes from the Scottish political scene as so many have done before her.
      A horrible despicable party filled with the dregs of society.

    10. X_Sticks says:

      The mooth and her chums are trying to defend the indefensible. She’s just managed to alienate many of the middle ground folk that would have held their noses and voted for the tories believing that to be a vote to preserve the ‘union’. It will have made many of them question rule by the London tories altogether.

      Another step closer to the prize.

      And speaking of prizes, today’s prize for cartoons undoubtedly goes to Chris Cairns. Another nail cleverly dealt with 🙂

    11. Robert Louis says:

      I’m just glad that people in Scotland are getting to see the true nature of Ruth Davidson. In some ways, reflecting the way in which the Tory party has become an extreme right wing organisation, intolerant of other cultures, obsessed with punitive hurtful policies against the poor, and keen to insult and denigrate other countries including Scotland.

      When the last Tory Government was in power under thatcher and John Major, before David Cameron, they were universally known as the nasty party. This was accurate. Thatcher did things which served no good purpose apart from punishing poor, homeless and disabled people, to the benefit of the rich.

      David Cameron, tried to change the Tory party, and moved it away from its petty minded, dogma-driven vengeance politics, but now here in 2017, we have incompetent, second-rate people like Boris the clown, Theresa May and Ruth Davidson, literally enjoying punishing poor people, disabled people, and women who have been raped.

      My instinct is that this support for the hideous rape clause will backfire on Ruth. You see, Tories like her, when they think of rape victims, they envisage a single mother living in a flat on a housing scheme. But people in all social classes experience rape, and so do their families and relatives. They know the pain, rich or poor.

      Of course people in higher social classes are not affected by benefits, or the rape clause, but those who know of rape regardless, will still be utterly appalled by Ruth Davidson. It matters not if you are on benefits or not, or indeed for that matter whether you have been raped or not, it is obvious this rape clause and associated benefit changes are punitive, will save little money overall, and are utterly, utterly devoid of one shred of humanity.

      Just as the poll tax brought down that witch Thatcher, so I think we will see the rape clause hung around the neck of Theresa May, and her second rate, fawning poodles like Ruth Davidson.

    12. Juteman says:

      A dangerous woman. All that cheery patter masks something sinister inside.

    13. Socrates MacSporran says:

      I checked through the London-based papers this morning, no mention of Ruth the Mooth and her incredible efforts to get “SNP Baaad” out there with regard to the odious “Ruth Clause”. Not even the allegedly “left wing” Guardian is having a go at the Ruthsfuhrer – it is, within the M25 bubble at least – a non-story.

      But, I bet they will be all over Pete Wishart like a rash, once the news of his hilarious tweet gets as far as that there Lunnun.

    14. Chris, I know that you rely on your wife to point to posts on here that would make you blush. This is one.
      In a hundred years from now, this extraordinary pictorial comment on the Evil that stalks Scotland, will feature in history books, like Hogarth before you.
      Again you invoke anger and defiance, and stiffen our resolve to banish the Cold Heartless Bastards Together from our land for ever.
      Thank you.

    15. Socrates @8.13 am.
      Another CTF skit comes to mind. Newcomer being shown around the office by an old lag who labels fellow workers as ‘Cans’ and ‘Cant’s.’
      Davidson, Dugdale’ Rennie, Mundell, Murray, and Carmichael, and their ugly little band of Unionist gravy trainers are right bunch of ‘Cant’s.’
      Do you think that I’ll make the front page of the Hootsman tomorrow. Oh, please, if there is a god.

    16. ronnie anderson says:

      MUGGED And for the rest of there lives under Tory Govs.

      Good one Chris.

    17. FM says:

      Brutal! Good job!

    18. The Isolator says:

      Ouch…yah.Hard hitting as ever Chris.Bullseye!

    19. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Ruglonian

      Alison & Mhari both made good speeches , its the 1st time I’ve had a chance to speak to Mhari since HOF, also Brendan O Hara attended , many of the would be candidates for the Glasgow Local elections were conspicuous by there absence, one notable candidate Mr Graham Campbell late of SSP & RISE or any of the other shoe ins of the NE Glasgow for SNP .

      Hi K1 & friend Rose & CrazyCat Bob Sinclair.

    20. starlaw says:

      Hi Chris another great cartoon, but could have made gun a bit bigger.
      Had a friend who worked on stage props told me to make weapons oversize … for better effect.

    21. Les Wilson says:

      Ruth the Mooth is a bully and indeed has a very big mooth. She does not do decency nor compassion of any kind, and that is coming to bite her in the ass. She just verified how nasty her party really is.
      Some Scots were forgetting the earlier days of Thatcher but Ruth, personally has brought them back from the brink of voting for her.

      I can hear them now saying ” what the hell was I thinking! these are the stinking Tories, phew!”

    22. Sinky says:

      Socrates MacSporran says: @ 8.13

      Just heard Radio Scotland GMS newspaper headlines and no mention of The National front page highlighting seven Tory candidates implicated in racism.

      But enough for London press reviews to ignore the paper that backs the views of over one million Scots voters but no excuse for BBC bias by omission.

    23. cearc says:

      Everyone seems to be concentrating on the women concerned but not a lot of attention is being given to the children who will have ‘conceived by rape’ on their bureaucratic record for life.

      This is surely a much greater breach of their privacy. Also, probably, a fact that their mother wouldn’t want them to know.

    24. Socrates MacSporran says:

      In an earlier post, I referred to Ruth the Mooth as “the Ruthsfuhrer”; on reflection, this was the wrong label to attach to her.

      Ruth aspires to be Gauleiter of the region of Scotland – taking her orders from those higher up the food chain, but, doing her bit to keep the natives suppressed.

      So, for me, henceforth, she will be: would-be Gauleiter Ruth.

    25. ronnie anderson says:

      Me Bad re my post at 8.44.

      Jacqueline McLaren SNP prospective candidate for Canal ward was in attendance at the R***Clause protest .

    26. Phydaux says:

      This image speaks to my anger and disgust…a true depiction of Ruth Davidson as a nasty thug devoid of decency and humanity and with a bloodthirsty contempt for the people of Scotland.Her militarised language, absence of goodness, ideology of human beings being considered superfluous, organised lying and craven obedience to the authority and culture of power of her masters in London and its grotesque economic inequality, bear all the hallmarks of totalitarianism.

      Thank you Chris for helping to galvanise me to work even harder in campaigning for the local elections, to actively encourage others to vote till you boak, as Stuart rightly recommends and especially in my Leith Walk ward where the obnoxious Ruth Davidson lives.

    27. ronnie anderson says:

      Quell Surprise Kelvin McKenzie ( SUN ) has been reported to Police for printing Racist Slurs in his column by Jo Anderson ( mayor of Liverpool ) & not before time on that Mouthpiece.

    28. starlaw says:

      Scottish Tories now morphing into UKIP under Ruths leadership.

    29. Alba 46 says:

      Alison Thewliss is like a dog with a bone. She discovered this nasty piece of legislation tucked away in a much bigger parliamentary bill.She had continually raised this issue both in westminster and in Scotland for well over a year. Initially she was a lone voice in the wilderness but she wasn’t deterred.

      She has never given up her absolute determination to keep this disgusting bill in as high a profile as possible. It has gained substantial traction more recently to such an extent that even Dugdale and labour are on board, for them a road to Damascus moment perhaps?

      I genuinely believe that the profile of this bill has been raised to such an extent that when we look back, it will turn out to be a defining moment on the road to independence.

    30. stu mac says:

      I don’t know if this link has been posted before but just in case here it is:

      I think it’s a good reply to those who ask why don’t SNP MSPs counter the anti-SNP arguments more effectively.

    31. Smallaxe says:

      These people go to war “with god on their side”. I am not a Christian but I have read the bible, this, from the New Testament.

      (Matthew 19:13-15; Mark 10:13-16)

      “And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God”.

      What god are these people worshipping? (Genuine Question)

      Thank you, Chris, for showing that all cartoons are not meant to be funny, this one should make any compassionate human being weep.

      Peace, Love and Compassion for the sake of all Humanity

    32. Brian Powell says:

      I think folk may want to look up ‘Propaganda Criminals’ when considering Kelvin McKenzie articles or those in the Daily Mail, the Express and increasingly in the Telegraph.

      If it had been reported in Scotland and not by the Mayor of Liverpool in England it would be ignored by the press and the BBC. I should add the SBBC to that list for propaganda criminals.

    33. TJenny says:

      Phydaux – I’m also in the Edin Leith Walk ward and didn’t know Ruth lived here. Having looked at the list of candidates, I think I’ll rate the ‘indy’ candidate, Alan Gordon Melville, 4th from bottom above the 2 Slabs with the Tory at the very bottom. Even though AGM stood as a UKIP candidate in both Holyrood and Westminster elections – and lost both times, natch. 🙂

    34. Wee Alex says:

      Just back from visiting relatives in Coventry.

      They vote Tory as they see the Tories as a middle of the road tolerant party who understand the working class.

      This type of coverage never finds its way into there household. They were completely unaware of this or the savage cuts to welfare. It’s not covered in the press or TV.

      They are utterly appalled and intend to take it up with their local party, Thay also intend to follow Wings.

      The only problem for them is who to vote for in the future.

    35. Calum McKay says:

      This is the tories and davidson’s true colours shining through.

      Can you imagine the out cry from fraser, davidson, may, express, telegraph or mail if the SNP had come up with policy, far less enacted it?

      The tories rowed back tout suite on nat insurance tax for self employed, but not this.

      Some are stating this policy is huge for women and politcal, I agree, but this is more, it’s about decency for all and what kind of society do we wish to live in!?

    36. DerekM says:

      Oooft big nail blasted right in with one smack,nice one Chris

      I have no idea why but this song came into my head.

    37. galamcennalath says:

      Cartoon shows explicitly the horror that is the Tories.

      Perhaps voting should be …
      1 SNP
      2 SNP
      3 Green
      4 UKIP Lite
      5 UKIP Cherry
      6 UKIP Classic
      7 UKIP Max

    38. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Phydaux / T Jenny .

      It would be well worth the effort to take the R***Clause Protests to Ruth the Mooths DOORSTEP & show her there will be no escape route for her on this issue.

    39. defo says:

      And will Truthie be advocating removing charitable status at Lorretto and Fettes forthose hard pressed families boarding young Torquil, as Henrietta and Farquar are already there ?
      Simply not on !

    40. Ken500 says:

      The Tory incompetent, ignoramouses. Another 25,000 children in poverty. The cowards attack the children and the vulnerable. They are disgraceful. They support illegal wars, financial feaud and tax evasion on a massive scale. The Westminster unionists have cause the worst mitration crisis in Europe since 11WW. Causing suffering, death and hardship for the innocent vulnerable. The Westminster unionists are despicable.

      Now Brexit to cause even more hardship, damaging the world economy. They committed electoral fraud in 31constituencies to ruin the world economy.

    41. Terry says:

      Brilliant. These cartoons say more than words. We need them plastered everywhere. Any ideas as to how? Maybe if national prints a selection we can all buy and laminate them then post round towns etc

    42. Robert Peffers says:

      @Stoker says: 15 April, 2017 at 7:21 am:

      “Her gun is a bit small, should she not have a tank?”

      But Stoker, she has got a tank, Chris drew it in the cartoon. It’s the bit between her shoulders and her hips. What we used to call, “Tankard belly”.

    43. Valerie says:

      Great toon, Chris. Really sums up what awaits children of the future.

      Right wing types actually arguing that if you have a two child policy the rape clause is a legit mechanism. It truly beggars belief of how we got here.

      Remember, this is population control, social engineering, not to mention pure filth.

      The cap at two children is heinous, each child should be awarded benefit, it’s to feed and clothe.

      Alison Thewliss has been tireless, and has kept this up for months, she deserves a medal.

      We must keep using this now and beyond local elections. We can’t let Ruth get away with saying Scotgov can redirect our money into mitigation. We know it means another area suffering, and the view is, it might not work, as extra money to cover it, might get clawed back.

    44. It’s official. I’ve just read John Lamont’s response to a constituent on the ‘Tax Credit Rape Clause’.
      The justification for the ‘Two Child per Family, State Edict Rule’ is to ensure that families who have an income from paid employment are not ‘disadvantaged’ over families existing on Welfare Payments.
      The Fascists have decreed that you are restricted to tTwo children per household and that’s your lot, because you never know what disaster is lurking around the corner. The money there is, is needed to give JK Rowling even more wealth..
      I assume that Lamont considers the current state of employment/unemployment to be steady state, immutable. Those in work will continue to be in work for evermore; those out of work, the ‘undeserving skivers’ will always (like the poor) be with us, they will never work, breeding like rabbits, scrounging off the state.
      Like China, the English Parliament of Blue Tories are actually decreeing how big a family you may have.
      We have entered the world of Orwell, the maniacal ‘Brazil’ dystopia of Terry Gilliam, and nobody even noticed, least of all the so call Labour and Liberal Parties.
      So, be warned, if you are working away, earning a good wedge, and doing your bit for under-populated Scotland by producing two or three ,or four even, offspring, the next generation of workers vital to the economic and social well being of Scotland, but your employer decides to move lock stock and barrel to Romania, then you can forget help from the State: starve, beg for charity, or put your kids up for adoption, instead.
      We are on the verge of civil unrest.
      To the six or seven fresh faced youngsters featured in ‘Scottish’ Labour’s PP Broadcast the other night:- ‘What the fuck were you thinking endorsing this toxic little bunch of gray trainers?
      You are the future, not the tired old dinosaurs lolling on the benches at Holyrood.

    45. Clootie says:

      …I’m surprised she is LEFT handed!

      Judge them by what they DO. The Tories can never hide that indicator.

    46. Golfnut says:

      I wonder if anybody on wings has any ideas about how much the cuts to the third child and upwards payments actually save westminster.

      I can’t believe that it amounts to that much, would collection an extra billion from those avoiding / evading tax cover it. If it would, why haven’t they focused on that?

    47. auld highlander says:

      If that grotesque creature was alive in the early forties she would be goose stepping around some concentration camp torturing the poor inmates.

    48. Bob Mack says:

      Brilliant as I now expect Chris. On a cheery note I noticed at the top of the national that Scottish food and drink exports to Asia are now over £1 billion alone. Too wee ? too poor?.
      We could be enormously successful.

      I waste no time on Ruth. A cold heartless git if ever I saw one. Lacks warmth ,empathy and compassion for everybody but herself.

    49. Phydaux says:

      TJenny 9:17

      I will check out the other Independent candidate Harald Tobermann before I decide where to place him. covered the recent Leith Walk hustings and is well worth a look… informative and witty to boot.

    50. galamcennalath says:

      Wee Alex says:

      …Coventry. They vote Tory as they see the Tories as a middle of the road tolerant party ….

      Yes, views like this are much more common down south. I am fairly sure they used to be widespread in Scotland. Some older Scots Tories still don’t see them in their true light.

      However now in Scotland many Tory voters do know they are the nasty ba5tards party, and that suits them just fine.

    51. Marcia says:

      Chris missed the bit about evicting them from their home.

    52. stu mac says:

      @Robert Louis says:
      15 April, 2017 at 8:01 am

      Disagree re Cameron. What he did was try to put a thin veneer of liberal policy over the usual nasty Tory policies. (His idol was Blair which tells you all). May, Osbourne (whose so-called economic policies have impoverished the country), Hammond, Hunt and the rest were all given a free hand under Cameron. The only thing that held them back a little was the fact they were only able to run things first term with the help of the Lib Dems (though they didn’t hold them back too much). Now with Labour a joke opposition they can do what they like but this is not because they are worse than the old lot – they are the old lot but with a much freer hand than they had before.

    53. Ken500 says:

      There is still family/benefit allowance? The first child gets the most. Then subsequent children. Now restructed to household income and now only the first two children.

      Households above gross? £50,000 do not get it all. It was cut Tax credits are different depends on how high a salary/household income and how many children. It is calculated on a certain scale and then tax is rebated. (Net or gross?) It encourages people into work. Gives the incentive of tax refund (qualifying condition). To boost income often especially for lower income, (PT?) one parent families so they can manage. Instead of having to rely entirely on benefit payments. It give self respect and incentive. It also cuts Gov costs.

      Cameron now retired and 6 jobs Osbourne (who destroyed the Oil & Gss sector in Scotland) Came up with this. Along with wasting £Billions on Hinkley by the sea, HS2, Heathrow and Trident. All a total waste of money of little value, with more credible alternatives. Cutting NHS/Education and sanctioning and starving the vulnerable, mostly women and children.

      Now Brexit which will affect the most vulnerable disproportionately. Ruin the world economy. The Tory/Unionist ingnorant incompetents.

    54. Croompenstein says:

      Straight to the heart of it Chris, Harrison is the embodiment of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Sugary, sweet Ruthie on the outside and a cold hearted bastard on the inside.

    55. Robert Peffers says:

      @Robert Louis says: 15 April, 2017 at 8:01 am:

      “In some ways, reflecting the way in which the Tory party has become an extreme right wing organisation, intolerant of other cultures, obsessed with punitive hurtful policies against the poor, and keen to insult and denigrate other countries including Scotland.”

      Very, very true, Robert Louis. In truth it was Tory Government policy that first made many of those they now seek to punish poor in the first place.

      Their own statistics prove beyond doubt that Tory Government policies are deliberately killing old, sick, disabled and poor people. Every one of such punitive policies has seen a corresponding rise in deaths in those selected groups they punish.

      These Tory policies are every bit as efficient as gas chambers in killing what the Tory party apparently sees as a drain on their supporter’s greed for personal wealth.

      Yet the gap between the rich and the poor has never before been so wide in my over 8 decades lifetime.

      And by God the poor in pre-WWII Britain were very poor indeed.

    56. mogabee says:

      Snode 1965

      No, family allowance is now called child benefit which is nothing to do with child tax credits.

    57. While Stu, Chris, Paul over at WGD are dealing with the real political issues, as illustrated today, and always, Tom Gordon, described as ‘political Editor’ over at Herald Britland, writes a re-heated piece of EU membership nonsense today.
      Don’t mention the systematic destruction of Civic Scotland by the Arch Right Better Together Unionist Fascists. I did, but I think that I got away with it.
      How do these Porn Propagandists sleep o’ nights?

    58. clan rossy says:

      evil personified

    59. Robert Peffers says:

      @Clootie says: 15 April, 2017 at 9:42 am:

      “…I’m surprised she is LEFT handed!”

      You shouldn’t be, Clootie. You may not know it but, in heraldry, the left is known as the, “Sinister”, side.

      Heraldry archaic:- of, on, or toward the left-hand side. However, on a coat of arms, from the bearer’s point of view, that is depicted as the right.

    60. TJenny says:

      Phydaux – thanks for pointing me to the broughtonspurtle hadn’t heard of that before, some info and humourous with it. I did a quick check on Harald Tobermann, and apart from a very dodgy looking moustache (a bit blacktoothbrushy in the middle?), he seems very hot on roadworks in Leith Walk and it would be great if he, or someone on council, could tackle the problem with the pavement in Rossie Place too. (Literally dozens of wee metal utility plates and slabs at varying angles of tripupability too.

    61. Red Squirrel says:

      Chris – you made me cry.

      These are kids. They already need our support or the family wouldn’t need tax credits. We’re part of a rotten country that’s taking even that pitiful support away unless they have even more violence in their lives – and apparently that’s “compassion”.

      Illness, age, disability and kids – all those we should cherish are targets of rabid right wing press and rampant capalist elite.

      Enough. It’s time we stood up.

    62. Cuilean says:

      She’s as fly as a shit-house rat.

    63. Marie Clark says:

      Very well done Chris, excellent cartoon. Nail, hammer, wallop.

      Ruth Davidson was someone that I have never liked, she used to annoy the hell out of me when she was employed by the BBC on GMS. Always giggling like an idiot. It has become clearer that she is an idiot, quite a dangerous one, but an idiot.

      She seemed to con a lot of people at the SE with her Ruth Davidson not the Tory, stop the referendum party. She sure as hell is showing her true colour now.

      I actually despise, and that’s not a word I use very often, but I really, utterly despise that creature. I’m glad that their true colours are on view ahead of the council elections.

      I will vote till I boak even though I have to hold my nose and put the tories last on my paper. I think that there are 3 seats and about nine candidates in our ward, but number 9 will be the tory.

    64. Ken500 says:

      Out of a Budget of £533Bilion. The benefits cuts are £18Billion spread over a few years. The NHS cuts are £20Billions spread over five years. Until 2020. There has had to be more cash invested because of the state of NHS/social care in rest of the UK. The tax cuts and wanton illegal UK Gov spending. Total incompetent mismanagement ensures the debt goes up. Now education cuts in the rest of the UK and non mandated move to Grammar schools are causing major problems in the rest of the UK.

      In Scotland the Unionist/green council sdministrations have been cutting essential services and spending £Millions on groteque non mandated projects. Getting the Councils into £Billions of debt. Illegally selling cities on the stock exchange. A total and utter disgrace, They should be charged with embezzlement and jailed.

      The STV system ensures their position. Voters can’t get rid of them. They come back time and time again. A lifetime of illegal misuse and troughing entitlement and mismanagement. Ruining towns/cities and the local/national economy. They can do what they like and they know it. A total abuse of power. Against the majority wishes and the public interest.

    65. Tinto Chiel says:

      Another wonderful cartoon which says it all, Chris.

      What a condemnation of a wicked and morally bankrupt party.

      Ruth Davidson is worrying because there is NOTHING she won’t say or do to advance herself at our expense. The false bonhomie mask is gone now and one of the Lizard Folk is poking through. I once described her attention-seeking behaviour as resembling a Duracell bunny with the skitters but now I see she is a really repellent person and not remotely funny. I can see her burning a £20 note in front of a beggar in Full Bullingdon Mode, and enjoying the experience.

      For those who haven’t yet heard a compassionate politician speak on the topic…..

      Hope lies with our youth and brave, principled women like Mairi.

    66. paul gerard mccormack says:

      I saw Janey Godley on youtube do this Ruth Davidson piece of evil (please see it). It was described as satire. I didn’t think it was satire, I thought it was the truth of the matter.

    67. Tinto Chiel says:

      Sorry, Mhairi. I keep forgetting she doesn’t pronounce it that way.

      And what Marie Clark said @10.21.

      Well and truly nailed.

    68. HandandShrimp says:

      The whole welfare changes thing has swept in from the side and washed away Ruth’s carefully constructed non-Tory edifice. She must be absolutely raging at the timing of this. Of course she could criticise her buddies in Westminster but Ruth is every bit as hard nosed as they are so there is no chance of that happening. Hoist by her own nasty party…sweet 🙂

    69. Robert Peffers says:

      @paul gerard mccormack says: 15 April, 2017 at 10:26 am;

      “I saw Janey Godley on youtube do this Ruth Davidson piece of evil (please see it).

      Did you mean this one, Paul?

    70. dakk says:

      Brilliant Chris.

      Great likeness to the Ruthless one

    71. Marker Post says:

      It seems that Ruth Davidson’s stance here is the same as it was on the Bedroom Tax, i.e. that the Scottish government should mitigate the worst effects. In this way, she’s trying to make the Scottish parliament subservient to Westminster, reactive to the policies coming out of there to try to protect the poorest in Scotland. Who was it that said something about judging a society by the way it treats its poorest individuals?

      And what also of these people in England, Ruth? You’re happy for these Westminster policies to be imposed on them? Such sheer hypocrisy in relation to your soundbites in the first referendum about “caring as much for the people in Newcastle as the ones in Glasgow”.

    72. Blackford Wheeler says:

      How about a tax hike for higher rate taxpayers with more than two children? I know that it might be perceived as being a bit harsh.

      However, with a bit of creative communication, and the support of our State Fraudcaster, it could be sold as the eminently sensible removal of the Spare Child Subsidy.

      What d’ye think Ruth?

    73. john young says:

      Wonder what Rooth the mooths response is to the shenanicums of our special relationship with the USA bringing us to the edge of the cliff with the fool endorsement of the Westminster cabal of idiots,will tri-dent save us or damn us.

    74. Robert Peffers says:

      @Myself : 15 April, 2017 at 10:47 am:

      ” … Did you mean this one, Paul?

      Here’s an example of the real thing to see just how good the depiction of Ruth by Janey really is as done in the above clip

    75. Macart says:

      Great toon Chris.

      Davidson of course isn’t really the organ grinder though. She’s the monkey. She’s the apologist, the messenger girl… white noise.

      The organ grinder lives in No. 10 Downing Street.

      Ruth Davidson’s sole purpose in Scotland is to act as her master’s voice and run interference. It’s proven beyond any doubt at this point, that Ms Davidson is about as shallow and disingenuous as they come. She is a political lightweight whose conviction politics begins and ends with party and career.

      There is NO Ruth Davidson party. She is NOT the cuddly, cheeky, presentable face of Conservatism. Her media persona is just that. A molecule thin veneer and media creation. What you find when that veneer is scratched or removed is someone willing to deliver anything Tory central desires. Ally herself with the most questionable elements of our society in pursuit of a vote. A person who misrepresents the words and actions of others in every public forum accessible. Undermines public trust in our institutions and services. ALL regardless of consequences for the public.

      She does what she is told to do and accepts her orders without question.

      If people want appalling Tory legislation to end, there is only one source to tackle and only one way to ensure it never has impact on their daily lives ever again. You remove the source of your pain at the ballot.

      People should be under no illusions on the upcoming referendum. The choice is the union, extended Conservative government and Westminster politics. Or it is independence, the government of YOUR choice and a Holyrood system of politics you can actively help to shape.

      Tory rule? Or your independence? Them’s the choices.

    76. Dr Jim says:

      Ruth Davidson’s more interested in the progress of her career
      than the progress of her country

    77. Bob Mack says:

      Another point about the rape clause worth considering is that there must be some forms of decision making about whether what you have claimed, is true,. A bit like ATOS or capita I would assume. Will people still be refused having subjected themselves to this demeaning process?

    78. The Queen's Elevenses says:

      Thought Ruth wouldn’t need a handgun what with her martial arts prowess. Mind you it looks like she hasn’t been down the gym for some time now.

    79. Ken500 says:

      Scottish Gov

      EU Ref Parliamentary Channel

    80. heedtracker says:

      Other side of this is how tory voters might react to it… why should I pay for these scroungers to, just pull the trigger Ruth, what what.

      State benefits are a classic great British fuck up though. If anything needs revolutionary change, its them.

    81. DavidCaledonia says:

      I got the message of doom today from the local tory candidate, he says, the SNP has cut the council budget by £4.6 m over the next year, it is unjust and if re-elected as your councillor in may David will fight vigorously for a better deal for Inverclyde.
      This guy has never been to my door to speak to me, or any other person that lives here, he is a complete stranger to any of us, my town does not vote for him, his own little tory area must be the reason he gets elected, he is of course against the referendum and anything good or bad to do with the present scottish government, he never talks about foodbanks, local unemployment, nuclear weapons, 10 billion pound aircraft carriers, westminster cutting the scottish budget, you know, the usual unimportant things to a tory, yes a vote for him will be good, yes good for his bank balance, but good for nobody else

    82. Valerie says:

      Great toon, but at the same time shameful, that we live under this gov’t, and wondering how did we ever arrive at this state of affairs.

      It really is evil and heinous. If they are prepared to do this, there is literally no where, they won’t go.

      You think you’ve seen it all.

    83. David Caledonia says:

      These are the same people that employed a company to cut the welfare bill down, a man dying with terminal cancer told he is fit to work and his benefits stopped
      Blind people told they are fit to work benefits stopped, it goes on and on, who votes for these people, they must be mad whoever they are

    84. caledonia says:

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    85. caledonia says:

      Cant remember any of Gordon Browns rants being cut short

    86. Robert Kerr says:

      Ruth needs to be reminded that to the BritNat Establishment she is merely tolerated as another Sweatie on the make! Useful for now!

      Comparisons are odious but have a look at Ilse Koch.

      Two rather odious females!

    87. Dan Huil says:

      The bbc still loves her of course. One of their own an aw that.

    88. The Rough Bounds says:

      The expression, ‘Give a man enough rope and he’ll hang himself’ has never been better demonstrated than that which we are seeing happening to the Tories in Scotland at this very moment.

      Suggested epitaph for Ruth:

      ‘Here lies one whose name was writ in water’.


    89. Breeks says:

      Far as Ruth is concerned, these Scottish kids are just going to grow into people who can’t join a polite gathering without breaking stuff and stealing things. What a classy thing to say about your own people.

      Imagine how humiliated she’d feel as the future First Minister of Scotland. At least that’s one delusional humiliation that Scotland will thankfully be spared.

      She’s not just a modern Toom Tabbard, she is worse. At least John Balliol grew tired of his denigration at the hands of the English, and allied Scotland with the French instead. History remembers his name unkindly, but Ruth Harrison’s name isn’t even remembered by her own party today, and that kinda tells you all you need to know about her AND them.

    90. Ken500 says:

      The ”psycho bastard’ Tomkins. Liar. Seems to thing he is in Spain or Canada USA. Don’t doesn’t seem to understand Scottish or International Law or the relevance. After 6 jobs Osbourne ruined the Scottish Oil & Gas sector. Losing 120,000 and £Billions.

      The multimillionaire Tory who had to borrow £25Million, against tax evaded lands, because of the Osbourne inspired downturn. On the mobile phone. Wants to be elsewhere?

    91. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Child Tax Credits, it needs to be remembered, was Gordon Brown’s method of trying – back when he still had a social conscience – to offset the low wage economy which Thatcherism had brought in.

      He knew so-many firms were paying low wages, that he at least tried to limit the damage.

      The spirit seemed to be right, even if the measures introduced were, and still are, flwed.

    92. Tinto Chiel says:

      “History remembers his name unkindly, but Ruth Harrison’s name isn’t even remembered by her own party today, and that kinda tells you all you need to know about her AND them.”

      Breeks, do you think Ruth Davidson remembers Benedict Arnold?

    93. Hamish100 says:

      The frightened wee boy says it all.

      The is what is in store for us all if the Tories and the state press and broadcasters persuade Scotland to remain with the right wing tories/EDL when brexit comes in.
      What a future.Thankfully we don’t have to put up with the right wing racist party.

    94. TJenny says:

      Socrates MacSporran – what absolute bollox.

      All Gordon Brown succeeded in doing was to ensure that the taxpayer continued to subsidise big business at the expense of the tax payer.

      If he genuinely wanted to improve the wages of the employed, he should have enforced a higher basic hourly rate, perhaps maybe related to the employers’ profits and dividends paid out, instead he chose to let them continue to reap the benefits of tax payer employee subsidies to employers. The man was totally useless.

      I have no problem with my taxes supporting bairns – all bairns – they are after all the tax payers of the future, The better they are looked after, the better for all our futures.

    95. sarah says:

      @Wee Alex – well done for shining some light. I don’t blame the English voters – they are fed the lies through the media and what choice is left?

      Labour is nearly as right wing and their left wing is pilloried by the same media so they are unlikely to form a government. Then there’s LibDems who have lost their soul.

      The Greens are still too small and under-funded – and of course the media barons will ensure they don’t get a fair hearing either.


    96. Fred says:

      Tinto, this business will haunt her!

      Speaking of Arnold, Arnold Clark’s funeral is on Wednesday, he was born up a close in James Nisbett Street in the Garngad? & started his business career as a bar-man in the Wee Man’s pub next to the Cattle Market in the Gallowgate, Arnold supplemented his wages by buying cars at the market & selling them oot the back door. So literally from humble beginnings to the biggest private car dealer in Europe with 11,000 employees at present. On one occasion when strapped for cash, the only sympathetic ear was the bank manager of the branch at Parkhead Cross who he repaid by transferring the company funds through that small branch. He found time for 11 of a family plus his charitable stuff. It can’t have been easy being near the only kid called Arnold in the Garngad.

      The funeral is at Glasgow Cathedral near his birthplace. Another shining example of Scotland being too wee, too poor & too stupid. What a contrast between him & failed car-salesman Jackson Carlaw.

    97. Ruglonian says:

      Hiya Ronnie,

      Completely agree – there were many, many folks (you could count the elected representatives on one hand!) notable by their absence on Thursday, very disappointing 🙁

      (I saw only Mhairi Black, Allison Thewliss, Patrick Harvie and Chris Stevens)

    98. Phronesis says:

      ‘Early childhood education and care (ECEC) can bring a wide range of benefits – for children, parents and society at large. But the magnitude of the benefits is conditional on “quality”…

      A growing body of research recognises that early childhood education and care (ECEC) brings a wide range of benefits, for example, better child well-being and learning outcomes as a foundation for lifelong learning; more equitable child outcomes and reduction of poverty; increased intergenerational social mobility; more female labour market participation; increased fertility rates; and better social and economic development for the society at large’

      Support for children and families in the early years is an investment in human capital that benefits us all. It is not the Conservative way however with their grandiose ideas of freeing the market and reducing the role of the state in generating well-being for all. Instead their structural adjustments are pushing more children and families into poverty- deliberately.

      They do seem rather perplexed about the concept of economic return of investment in breaking the intergenerational transfer of poverty. Perhaps the electorate should insist for the purposes of clarity that every policy has a children rights based agenda which would ensure that the ‘rape clause’ as well as other conscious political choice to deconstruct any investment in human capital and decades of development of a progressive child rights agenda is halted. That demand can also be expressed at the ballot box.

    99. Dr Jim says:

      Perhaps the Scottish government should buy shares in Nissan given that car dealers get more of a say in the UK than Scotland does

      And we still don’t know what was offered in the Nissan letter

      Do we think they’ll get the best possible deal?

      I think so! Scotland? not so much!

    100. CameronB Brodie says:

      Re. Yoons. They be mad. Re. Tories. They be evil.

      The ongoing upsurge in English populism is a symptom of the global resurgence of fascism. Also, the Prime Minister speaks with an Anglican God.

    101. ScottishPsyche says:

      Showing Ruth for what she is once again, well done.

      This may be a stupid question but does anyone know if you can rank your first and last preferences only on the ballot? I have the choice of one SNP, no Greens, a disgruntled exSNP ‘Independent’, and various LibDems and Tories.

      Can you put marks against just your first and last choice or is that invalid?

    102. Ian McCubbin says:

      It has all been said. Every angle to expose Ruth Davidson and her insidious party must be used. Hurry up for Indy to be rid of her and her kind of politics.

    103. K1 says:

      Reveals exactly who Ruth is for all to see Chris. Excellent as per.

      The petition has garnered over 2, 000 overnight, keep pushing this, if 12,000 signatures can be gathered in under 48 hours it should not take us too long to get it up to that 100,000 mark…

      ‘Scrap the “R clause” and the “family cap” on social security payments.’

    104. Grosue Beater says:

      Yes, Dirty Henrietta time, Chris.

      The Tories have begun the war early on ‘holding onto Scotland at all costs’.

      I can’t see what they can pull out the arse this time around, – see essay ‘Westminster Repeater’ – except the false promise of more vague powers – which has already been mooted – so maybe we will be allowed to name Scottish roads after Scottish people, that sort of thing.

      Holiday weekend, so political polemic later.

      Your weekend reading:

      The perfect Easter subject, lesbianism:

    105. K1 says:

      *waves at Ronnie*

      Acht ye dae remember names an aw so ye dae 😉 Rose says hi tae 🙂

    106. Cactus says:

      Ruth Davidssson & the Tories.. there’s no give, it’s all take, take, take!!!

      This story was on the latest front cover of The Extra:

      Here’s the maplist for all:,_2017

      It says mostly there is ‘no overall control’ in the Scottish councils, therefore…

      …it’s time to take back control.

      With pro-Scotland / pro-indy (majorities)

    107. mike d says:

      Socrates 8.13am. As no doubt (meindevon would probably agree with me). Down here in deepest Dorset we here literally nothing re Scottish or NI political news coverage . Our country might as well be on the southern tip of Africa.

    108. Robert Graham says:

      its good to see she has been given a makeover , lipstick on a pig dosnt make it a princess does it ? . My sincere apologies to Pigs being linked to this eh person .

    109. mike d says:

      Should have said ‘hear”literally nothing “

    110. Cherry says:

      Great cartoon as always. Captured the venom on that Tory FM wannabe.

      Ruth Harrison reminded me of Billy Bunter for a long while. But after she did ‘The After Dinner jokes about BJ she put me in mind of a character from Bridedhead Revisited. The jolly plump cousin who enjoyed dressing up in dinner suites,telling loud schoolboy smutty jokes whilst swilling back the brandy and puffing on a cigar. Just an awful woman.

    111. Cherry says:

      *brideshead* *suits*
      Sorry predictive text

    112. Lenny Hartley says:

      Smallaxe great to see you back posting 🙂

    113. Robert Peffers says:

      @ScottishPsyche says: 15 April, 2017 at 1:31 pm:

      “This may be a stupid question”

      Nah! It’s not stupid, but if it was then there’s a awful lot of stupid people around. I’d rather describe them as, “Those somewhat confused by stupid people”, if it was me describing them.

      ” … but does anyone know if you can rank your first and last preferences only on the ballot?”

      Best not, ScottishPsyche. The reason being that you don’t tick or put a cross but must number your choices in the order that you prefer them.

      You put a number one for your first choice: a Number two for your second choice and so on to the one you like the least.

      It is all right to not number them all but you must number those you do like in the order you like them.

      So if you only liked three of the candidates you only need to number those three and leave the others blank.

      Hope that helps.

    114. ScottishPsyche says:

      Thanks Robert, I meant if there are 6 candidates and you put 1 against your first and then 6 against your last but didn’t number the others.I didn’t make it clear.

      I am not surprised by the lack of quality in the other candidates who are all much of a muchness but I wanted to make the point of putting the Tory last. Guess I’ll have to rank them all to make it clear!

    115. David says:

      Love the accuracy of this cartoon. He’s even got the kids looking they are from different fathers! Good job.

    116. Albert Herring says:


      No, if you put SNP 1, and Tories 6 (or whatever the last place is) there will be nowhere for your vote or part thereof to transfer to, other than to the Tories. It would be exactly the same as putting SNP 1, Tories 2. Vote till you boak, as they say.

    117. K1 says:

      This is a really good example of the cognitive dissonance of those who claim from positions of extreme wealth that they understand and have empathy for those with less. This is Steve Hilton former Cameron pal and architect behind detoxification of the Tories unravelling when asked if he and his family ‘deserved’ their wealth.

      ‘David Cameron’s former blue-sky thinker says the rise of populism is due to the super-rich’s inability to put themselves in the shoes of those less well off – before accepting a free cab ride and becoming lost for words about his own wealth’

      For once, a journalist that knows ‘how’ to interview his subject and get right tae the heart of the story by uncovering the hypocrisy at the core of Hilton’s philosophy:

    118. Proud Cybernat says:

      Horrible ‘toon, Chris – just utterly horrible (if you know what I mean).

      As some band said not so long ago:

      “If we tolerate this, our children will be next.”

      And this to the 22% of Scottish Tories out there – Scottish Tories are much better than this vile woman. Wake up, FFS!

    119. John Thomson says:

      Does her partner feel the same way?

      Horrified if she does

    120. Tom Kane says:

      Super, Chris. This is amongst your all time best… And you have given us so much food for thought.

      It’s utterly incredible that this law passed in the Mother of all Parliaments in the first place. For that, they are all culpable.

      It beggars belief, that any man,woman or child can simultaneously defend it and blame the snp for not mitigating it at the same time.

      There are some bad, bad people in power.

      Your work is fabulous, Chris… Many thanks…

    121. Robert Peffers says:

      @ScottishPsyche says: 15 April, 2017 at 2:47 pm:

      “Thanks Robert, I meant if there are 6 candidates and you put 1 against your first and then 6 against your last but didn’t number the others.I didn’t make it clear.”</i?

      You were clear enough, ScottishPsyche. It is not the easiest thing to explain, though.

      I really think the designers of the system intended it to be difficult to both describe and thus hard to understand the more complex bits.

      I would say the number of posts by the normally astute, and quick on the uptake, Wingers is sound proof of the totally unnecessary complexity of the system.

      Furthermore, the fact that so many bright and alert people are at a total loss as to the political leanings of many of the lower ranked choice, and the fact the system requires all the candidates to be in preferred order to accurately reflect the wishes of the electorate, make the outcome a farce.

    122. Flower of Scotland says:

      Good one Chris!

      Ruth Davidson has made politics in Scotland stomach churning. Her and her cronies, Murdo Fraser, Adam Tomkins, Jackson Carlaw are trying to bring the Scottish Parliament back to Westminster’s shouting, baying, old fashioned way of doing things. Bringing hatred and ulsterisation to Scotland suits their agenda to a tee.

      They are now more UKIP than the Ukippers!

      I never say that I hate anyone but I hate the Tory party, especially the one in Scotland, for what they are trying to do to us Scots.

    123. ronnie anderson says:

      The Media hiv never thought this is a way tae throw shit.

    124. geeo says:

      Is it just me, or does that caricature of Ruth Davidson look an awful lot like yon other ‘uber-yoon-ionista”, Arlene Foster ?

    125. heedtracker says:

      This is a nice SNP council election video what is NOT mentioning independence. Google SNP council election tv ad, and my monitor melts with the sheer weight of the SNP bad fury raging away, just from Severin Carrell too.

      Its a bit disorientating watching ads like this and the relentless howls of vote NO to indy ref2 poured over us all.

      Will it be different from last time and if it is, where next for yoon culture in Scotland?

      Archive is, blocked on this pc, sorry.

      May the fourth be with you, fellow Jedi vile seps:D

    126. CameronB Brodie says:

      Some background on what shapes the thinking of “blood and soil” social Darwinists, such as Ruth Harrison, the Prime Minister and Farage (as in garage).

      Since 1979 social and economic inequalities in the UK have risen year on year, while previously between 1918 to 1979, they had fallen.1 Injustice looks at what may be driving this increase in inequalities and shows why it is not inevitable

    127. Smallaxe says:

      Lenny Hartley:

      Thanks, Lenny, good to be back but a lot of catching up to do. Hope everything’s good with you.

      Peace Always

    128. Robert Peffers says:

      @David says: 15 April, 2017 at 2:57 pm:

      “Love the accuracy of this cartoon. He’s even got the kids looking they are from different fathers! Good job.

      Oh! Come on, David. That one is below the belt. The implication that the lady is promiscuous is unwarranted.

      I’ll tell you a true tale here. To show you should never jump to conclusions because of a person’s looks.

      I was a Union rep for over 15 years and one of the duties was to take deceased members Death Grants to the bereaved family along with the Unions & workmates condolences and a wreath.

      One old member died and I called upon the widow. The member had a large family of eight, now grown up, children. I knew the family very well.

      On being invited into the family home and chatting with the widow, Kathy by name, the conversation got to this point. To understand the rest, I had acted a bit like a Welfare Worker some time previously when the couple were going through a rather bad patch.

      Cathy: “Weel Bob, is ye ken wi whiles haed wir troubles”.

      Me: “Aye! Cathy, but didn’t wi sort aa thaim oot aa richt?”

      Cathy: “Oh! Aye! Bit if ye mind the bother cam aboot ‘cos Sam wis aye suspicious oor youngest wean wi the rid hair wisna his.”

      Me: “Aye! Bit wi convinced him he wis wrang, did wi no?”

      Cathy: “So wi did, bit noo Sam’s awa Ah kin tell ye the truth.”

      Me: “Och! Cath, ye dinna hae tae tell mi onythin. It’s nane o ma bliddy business.”

      Cathy: “Ah’m gaun tae tell ye onywey, Bob.”

      “Sam thoucht the rid heedit wean wisna his ‘cos nane o the twa o us haes rid hair.”

      “Weel, Bob the truth is the rid heedit wean wis the ainly ane whit wis Sam’s. The ither seevin wir frae an insurance man wi haed fir years whit Ah aye paid ahint the door.”

    129. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Mr Peffers ROFPMSL

    130. Robert Peffers says:

      @ronnie anderson says: 15 April, 2017 at 4:16 pm:

      “@ Mr Peffers ROFPMSL

      No Kidding, Ronnie, the story is true.

      I used different names, though, as there could be people who know me who could figure out who the real, “Cathy”, was. Matter of fact she will probably have passed away herself by now or have long ago had her telegram from the Queen.

    131. Robert Graham says:

      Well as confusion continues on STV, The simple solution in my area is all Nationalist supporting groups are ranked, SNP No 1 and so on until they are all ranked, all Unionists are left blank.
      Please tell me how my non vote can be, sliced, dissected, split, or otherwise Transferred to a Unionist candidate, if it ain’t there it can’t be counted .
      As I have previously said it’s a bloody stupid way of voting , but I suppose i am just stupid in not understanding a simple system the general public so obviously have mastered so easily .

    132. Hamish100 says:

      Can I vote 1 & 6?

      How will those with “0” votes get a benefit as the polling heidjin can’t transfer my vote to anyone if they aint listed

    133. izzie says:

      A fellow winger must have been in Morrisons Arbroath The National was placed on top of the Daily Mirror and Express I bought 2 one \i put in the cafe the other on the 73 to Dundee. Off topic can anyone enlighten me to what is the menage?

    134. shiregirl says:


      Good to see your posts again.

      Beautiful evening in Cullen.

      Wishing everyone a fine evening.


    135. Croompenstein says:


      He’s even got the kids looking they are from different fathers! Good job

      Oh David in Holy Week as well..

      Judge not lest ye be judged

    136. Wullie B says:

      Snode1965 says:
      15 April, 2017 at 7:36 am

      Can someone clarify for me…are these tax credits equivalent to the old family allowance?

      No Snode1965, these are like a top up to a weekly wage if low paid or part time hours over 16 hours so the claimant cant claim Income Support

    137. Scott says:

      John Thomson says:

      15 April, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      Does her partner feel the same way?

      Horrified if she does

      Who is her partner she wears no ring now??

    138. robin says:

      Mr Peffers sir
      you should be on the stage


    139. galamcennalath says:

      OT the Irish population is 4.6 million.

      They have received 250,000 passport applications from the UK this year already. They expect around a million in 2017.

      I am not one of them. Mind you, I expect a Scottish one in the next few years.

    140. Smallaxe says:


      Many thanks, I hope the weather stays fine for you, it’s quite nice here in the borders also.

      Peace and Love to You and Yours.

    141. ChewinTheFat says:

      I am hell of a glad everyone will now be seeing Ruth Davidson’s true colours. Of course, you will get the hardcore ones who use any excuse to despise Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP and who will stand by Davidson no matter what.

      She is a vile excuse of a human being – the only thing that gives me comfort is knowing that this will all come back and bite her on the fat arse one day.

      If Davidson thinks this is going to win some votes her way then she is mistaken, as I would like to think that voters who back-up this Rape Claus are in the minority and the majority of people are good, decent human beings who truly want the best for their country. Just hopefully what this bint has done will give them food for thought and they will vote in anyone but the Tories.

      As far as I’m concerned, anyone who votes Tory is now voting for this ‘Rape Claus’ and should be ashamed of themselves.

      And of course, nice piece of art, btw. 🙂

    142. Ann says:

      Having seen some recent photos of Ruth, I think she has visibly aged.
      Stress taking it’s toll.

    143. Smallaxe says:


      I hope this helps.

      Menage = a sort of savings club having several of the characteristics of a lottery, at one time very popular among certain of the working-classes. Weekly payments of a fixed sum were made, and, in the order in which the names were extracted from the hat, each member received a full period’s total subscriptions. Thus the owner of the first name had the advantage of receiving a lump sum straight away.

      Peace Always

    144. Thepnr says:

      I loved that cartoon Chris and says it all to be honest.

      The comments below the line though are giving me goose pimples, the are heartfelt, serious and just show the mood that more than 50% of Scots are in.

      I can feel the rage, the anger. Can you feel it too? Because it’s real. We won’t put up with this shit anymore and our voice will be heard in a second Independence Referendum despite what the despicable Tory May says.

      The passion is building, you can see it here in front of you. They won’t beat that even with all the lies they can muster and feed to people through the BBC.

      I’m so proud, really I am. Guess that makes me a proud Scot. There is no BUT though and never will be.

    145. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Robert Peffers Ah was in various unions as a shop stewart the nearest I came to personal intervention was to get a Gaffer to speak to a Minister about a alcohol dependency , glad to say the whole family were released.

      Mind Robert dont be giving up the day job fur comedy lol , we have more than enough undergrun comedians on here .

    146. heraldnomore says:

      Anyone still confused about STV voting strategy could do worse than have a look at James Kelly’s excellent article in The National today.

      Sorry no link facility on this gizmo but no doubt someone else will be kind enough.

    147. ronnie anderson says:

      5.51 & the word should read Relieved , ah wiznae promoting ah Gerry Dorsey song lol.

    148. ChewinTheFat says:

      Croompenstein says at 10:03 am:

      Straight to the heart of it Chris, Harrison is the embodiment of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Sugary, sweet Ruthie on the outside and a cold hearted bastard on the inside.


      Ha-ha. Yes, this rings true for auld Roothie. I tend to think of her this way:


      A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

      Psychopaths tend to lack normal human emotions such as guilt. They are also often highly intelligent and skilled at manipulating others.

      Also, psychopaths seem to appear normal. You would probably never guess there was something wrong with them.

    149. robin says:

      It does annoy me what the MOD spends our money on, and how the mass media like the telegraph report things.
      The Telegraph reports the Royal navy is ‘escorting’ some Russian warships through the channel when what they are doing is monitoring these ships.
      The definition of ‘escort’ is ‘Protection, care, or safeguard on a journey or excursion’ but hey ho the MSM like to big up our forces on all occasions; just irritates me these inuendos of how grand and powerful we are…sorry had to get that off my chest.

    150. Capella says:

      @ heraldnomore – James Kelly article on STV archived:

    151. Stoker says:

      WOS archive links for the remainder of October 2013 now on O/T.

    152. Thepnr says:

      I started to think that rage and anger re my earlier post was too strong since we’re the nice guys and maybe shouldn’t be describing ourselves as such.

      Well, don’t know about you personally but I’m sticking with rage and anger at what these Tories are doing to our welfare state and the English NHS which will affect us indirectly.

      You can’t ignore cruelty and that’s what removing even £13.70 in tax credits from a working family with more than two children will do. It’s the difference between being skint on a Friday or skint on a Thursday.

      Heartless bastards that bring in laws like this, the UK is going to rat shit. The good people still remaining in England must wake up at some point. I doubt these policies that the Tories have chosen to follow through until the bitter end will end well.

      Definitely not in Scotland. Heinous.

    153. crazycat says:

      @ Marie Clark at 10.20

      If there is only one Tory, you don’t have to actually vote for him/her.

      Once you’ve ranked all the other candidates, the one you don’t rank is last by default.

      @ anyone wanting to vote for first and last only:

      That doesn’t work. Once your first preference has been elected or eliminated, and only then, your lower preferences will be looked at. If you don’t have one marked 2, the tellers would either have to treat your 6 (or whatever) as 2 – which is not what you want – or discard your ballot for not having a second preference. I would expect them to do the latter, though it might end up in the “invalid” pile, to be discussed at the end.

    154. crazycat says:

      @ Thepnr

      Someone I know has a sticker on her laptop which reads: “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention”.

    155. ScottishPsyche says:

      Thanks to everyone who answered.

      Like some others, our SNP candidate said not to vote for anyone else as there were no other Independence candidates. This obviously contradicts the ‘vote till you boke’ stuff which until then I was planning to do

      It did occur to me though that I didn’t particularly want to transfer my vote to the others after the election (hopefully) of my single preferred candidate but I did want to rank the Tory last, hence the question.

      Anyway the consensus is to rank everyone so that is what I’ll do.

    156. CameronB Brodie says:

      In my last post, I mentioned in passing the eugenic dimensions of tax and immigration policy. The genetic quality of the national stock is a taboo subject, and for familiar, excellent reasons. Nazis! That said, the history of eugenics is fascinating, especially if one is also interested in the history of economics as a discipline with deep roots in ideologies of social planning and control. A number of early presidents of the American Economics Association were prominent eugenicist who leaned heavily on eugenicist arguments in policy analysis. Check this out, from Thomas Leonard’s “Eugenics and Economics in the Progressive Era”:

      Eugenics: Economics for the Long Run

      If a program of eugenics is to be introduced into modern countries, it will most likely be as a byproduct of births being restricted to restrain population growth. Thus, it will be argued below that in the long run society is faced with a choice between having the population restrained by misery, and having it restrained by conscious restrictions of births. Once the idea of preventing some births is accepted, it will then be natural to discuss the question of which births. It is then very likely that decisions will be based at least partially on preventing the births that are most likely to result in what that society regards as low quality citizens. This will be a eugenics program, although as will be pointed out some of the gains may arise from insuring that those children born are born into the families that provide better environments.

      N.B. British nationalism require the sumbision of one’s will and agency to an Anglican God and the Malthusian elitism of England’s rigid class system.

    157. Davy says:

      They say a picture paints a thousand words, Chris your cartoon paints 10,000.

      truly shows the real tory party.

    158. Robert Peffers says:

      @ronnie anderson says: 15 April, 2017 at 5:51 pm:

      “Ah was in various unions as a shop stewart the nearest I came to personal intervention was to get a Gaffer to speak to a Minister about a alcohol dependency , glad to say the whole family were released.”

      Thing was, Ronnie, I stewarded in the Radio, Sonar and Radio workshop. It was a large department and it included several trades, including fitters, technicians, skilled labourers, labourers, cleaners, Office staff. As they were all based in the one big workshop we were all on a first name basis.

      Which explains why we had much more personal problems. Then it helped that I had served my apprenticeship with the people in higher management and went to the Dockyard College with them.

      I just never fancied management so remained as a specialist on the tools. I earned as much as most low to middle management but was on first name terms with the top guys.

      It led to a much closer and friendlier relationship for everyone. Not to mention that as there was every trade you could imagine in the Dockyard the different trades had an arrangement that we looked after each other’s members as much as we could. The trades were workshop based but many were spread out on Ships all over the yard at their jobs.

      You often had to do more Social worker stuff than Trade Union stuff. As you point out there was stuff like Alcoholism, depression and such like too.

      “Mind Robert dont be giving up the day job fur comedy lol , we have more than enough undergrun comedians on here .”

      No kidding, Ronnie, I could do standup with some of the things I experienced. Billy Connelly claimed that working in the Clyde Shipbuilding yards was what taught him to be a comic. The MOD Ship refit & repair industry was at least on a par with the Clyde yards.

    159. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Robert Peffers Did U hiv tae gon an done that mention billy conerly , spit. lol

    160. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Robert Peffers catch U laters , following up on the Silk Road bbc 4 .

    161. Macart says:


      Something the Yoonitariat and their chain tuggers should take heed of. Never mistake endless patience and empathy for peaceful acceptance and conformity.

      Being the good guys doesn’t mean we endlessly turn the other cheek. Sometimes you need to make a stand and say ‘enough is ENOUGH’!

      It’s well past that time in my view. Unionist politicians and their meeja have used the Scottish public as punching bags, lab rats and whipping boys for years. We’ve turned our ‘other cheek’ so fucking often we’re suffering from whiplash at this point.

      I think we’re done with the ‘mushroom principle’ at this point. More folk need to get angry and then use that anger clinically and constructively at the ballot.

    162. CameronB Brodie says:

      It’s comforting now to think of eugenics as an evil that sprang from the blackness of Nazi hearts. We’re familiar with the argument: some men are born great, some as weaklings, and both pass the traits on to their children. So to improve society, the logic goes, we must encourage the best to breed and do what we can to stop the stupid, sick and malign from passing on their defective genes. This was taken to a genocidal extreme by Hitler, but the intellectual foundations were laid in England. And the idea is now making a startling comeback.

    163. gerry parker says:

      Robert Graham at 4:47How many seats are there in the ward?

    164. Rock says:


      “I am not a Christian but I have read the bible, this, from the New Testament.”

      “Peace, Love and Compassion for the sake of all Humanity”

      I thought you were the re-incarnation of Mother Theresa.

    165. Dorothy Devine says:

      Ronnie , it is a great programme and shows such beauty.

      Paisley pattern abounds.

    166. Hood says:

      Bit of advice needed regarding STV.

      1 pro Indy in my area (SNP)
      and basically 6 Unionists
      Labour, Tory, LibDem and 3x Independent

      2 of Independents on twitter always badmouthing SNP and saying no appetite for a referendum etc. Other one not on Twitter and not so vocal about Independence but I know he is a Unionist.

      So ranking is obviously 1 for SNP.
      I know the not so vocal Independent will either get in first or second so nothing lost I reckon by sticking him as a number 2 (no pun intended 😉 )

      But where to rate the rest. Tory definitely last for me but the rest?

    167. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      crazycat @ 18:27,

      True, there is no need to fill in your very last preference, for Tory or whatever it happens to be. (And even slightly more than that if there are any obnoxious no-hopers that you wouldn’t touch with a bargepole.)

      I have avoided saying that too much though for fear of deflecting from the essential point that it really does matter to go stepwise down the list through other pro-indy candidates and right into the opposition as far as possible.

      And yes, it is important to get the numbering right 1-2-3…, with no gaps, to avoid any possibility of invalidating any of those choices.

      And @ 18:29,

      That’s a great quote I must pass on to my mrs…(!)

    168. Thepnr says:


      And you are just a cheeky bastard.

      Apologies to all that I have been advising not to feed the trolls, but this comment from Rock is beyond the pale.

      You Rock aught to be ashamed, but as a Yoon through and through I’ve no doubt your laughing at me for responding and Smallaxe.

      You will regret that. When Scotland votes YES. I hope your piles keep you awake all through tonight, you fucking toerag.

    169. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Dorothy Devine Should that no be the Flame of Zanahar . Carpet weaving at their best , ah couldnae afford ah square inch of wan o them lol.

    170. Don’t you feel sorry for the poor old torY’s.
      Still languishing around 20% and with no positive case for the union.
      And they are such grim ugly bastards.
      Still at least their mum loved them.
      Or did she?

    171. Tinto Chiel says:

      “Smallaxe…I thought you were the re-incarnation of Mother Theresa.”

      I don’t normally respond to your stuff but that remark was beneath contempt.

      You’re a nasty piece of work, really, aren’t you, with your obsessive lists of posters’ quotations and your gratuitous bile?

      Quite appropriate it’s the Ruth Davidson thread.

    172. CameronB Brodie says:

      What a bunch of hypocritical, sanctimonious wanks the Tories are

      “Protecting human life, protecting marriage, and protecting freedom of conscience are foundational for creating and maintaining strong families, caring communities and a just society. Our Christian faith compels us to speak and act in defence of all these.”

    173. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      maureen @ 12:02,

      Thanks for that reference. Very worrying development. Another potential robbery of our rights under the guise of “yooniformity”. And not entirely O/T either, because the current “no-referendum referendum” is just a skirmish line that won’t hold. The Unionists are also working out ways to fix the eventual ScotRef in their favour, and that’s one of them: skew the electorate as much as they can get away with.

      We can argue precedence from the last time, but as we know very well now, Westminster can trump all whenever the hell it pleases, unless (as Macart rightly says) we stop turning the other cheek and start making everything count.

      This is just the start.

    174. Rock says:



      And you are just a cheeky bastard.”

      Thepnr, here is how I defended you when you first started posting and was attacked by an earlier re-incarnation of Robert Peffers:


      +—–, you are making petty points about Thepnr’s real life experience and what he feels about it.

      There are two sides of a coin – the giver is giving out of pity but the receiver is acutely aware of his helplessness in having to receive charity.

      With independence, we want to get rid of this poverty and helplessness in Scotland.

      I would prefer to be poorer in an independent Scotland than ever again be called a scrounger or subsidy junky, of which I am neither.”

      As for Smallaxe, who else would sign off every post with “Peace Always” or similar apart from the re-incarnation of Mother Theresa?

    175. Dorothy Devine says:

      Ronnie ,indeed ! the mosque and palaces shown are absolutely stunning and the presenter meets fascinating folk along the way – I love it.

    176. Marie Clark says:

      Rock, I usually just ignore you and don’t respond to you at all, But that crack about Smallaxe crossed the line. You are a very nasty piece of work.

    177. DerekM says:

      Got to agree Thepnr that was totally off topic and nothing to do with politics,independence or Scotland.

      I think an apology is in order others probably think you should get put on the naughty step for that pebble.

    178. Rock says:


      “but as a Yoon through and through I’ve no doubt your laughing at me for responding and Smallaxe.”

      Anyone who “apologises sincerely” to someone who calls him “bloody stupid” must be “bloody stupid”.

      Since when did it become standard practice for yoons to post comments like:

      Rock (yesterday),

      “I don’t know how statistics are compiled, but an SNP total vote of more than 50% is the best response to the unionists.”

      Rock (yesterday),

      “But every vote for a Tory is a toxic vote, boosting the most disgraceful and dishonest politician in Scotland.

      The Tories must be completely defeated.”

      You and me often have similar points of view but you have been attacking me ever since I suggested that persuading Tories to vote Yes was not a good idea:


      “Embrace the NO voters, even the Tory ones if you hope to reach your ultimate goal.”


      “Do you seriously believe that spending limited resources on persuading Tories in Scotland to vote for independence is a good idea?

      Rock says:
      12 April, 2017 at 6:32 pm

      “Any self respecting people would want to be independent of a coloniser at any cost.

      Unfortunately there are too many selfish middle class Scots who would rather live under colonial rule than perhaps suffer a small drop in income which would benefit those less well off then themselves.

      Proud Scots, but— are a disgrace to Scotland.”

      Thepnr says:
      13 April, 2017 at 7:45 pm

      “A proud scotbut is someone with no shame or compassion for their fellow Scots plight under this Tory government.

      No they are proud all right, proud of their wealth or their business or their land that they own. They are real Scots of course but the cringe is in their blood.”

    179. Rock says:


      “I hope your piles keep you awake all through tonight, you fucking toerag.”

      Maybe Smallaxe’s signature comments are meant for the likes of you:


      “Peace, Love and Compassion for the sake of all Humanity”

    180. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. Any Scottish signatories, particularly those in ecumenical positions, should perhaps take time to reflect on how the Westminster Declaration squares with Brexit, the Yemen, destruction of the welfare state, etc., etc.. I’m not sure if it will be possible to remove their endorsement but it would at least be worth trying.

    181. K1 says:

      Fucking moronic little grievance hunter and pathetic nasty minded wee swine Rock. You jealous little nonentity. Fuck off back tae the sewer ye fucking wanker.

    182. Thepnr says:

      I guess I’m a sensitive soul and really really should know better.

      However I’m only human and make the same mistakes over and over that we all can do at times. I apologise again for losing the plot, it was an error that I’m not very proud of.

      Anyway what’s done is done, we get on with the job in front of us and that’s fighting for our Independence. Sorry for the sweary words and that’s to you Rock.

    183. Croompenstein says:

      @Rock – in Holy Week

      Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

      Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

      Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

      Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

      Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

      Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

      Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
      Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    184. heedtracker says:

      Rock says:

      Warning to Scottish independence movement: GCHQ boasts of using “false flag operations” to manipulate online discourse and activism and generate outcomes it considers desirable, says journalist Glen Greenwald

      Hey Rock, do you know how much the UK has extracted in NOT Scots oil and gas revenues, to date, including inflation?

      Do you think that Mayhem’s crew are going to big on fracking hydrocarbons in England Rock? Or will they bottle it, in the face of middle and upper middle class fracking opposition?

    185. Rock says:


      “Sorry for the sweary words and that’s to you Rock.”

      Only if you meant it.

      Why don’t you swallow your pride and admit that converting Tories to vote Yes was never a good idea?

      Instead of endlessly using the T word against me and attacking me at every opportunity.

      I mean no harm to any yes supporter but there are too many sycophants posting here and their comments must be challenged when necessary.

      I am sure the “silent majority” of WOS readers agree with me.

    186. Croompenstein says:

      Rock, If The Lord Jesus isnt’t good enough then maybe Morrissey\Marr will do it..

      If you’re wondering why
      All the love that you long for eludes you
      And people are rude and cruel to you
      I’ll tell you why

      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      You just haven’t earned it, son
      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      You must suffer and cry for a longer time
      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      And I’m telling you now

      If you’re wondering why
      When all I wanted from life was to be famous
      I have tried for so long, it’s all gone wrong
      I’ll tell you why
      But you wouldn’t believe me

      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      You just haven’t earned it, son
      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      You must suffer and cry for a longer time
      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      And I’m telling you now
      I’ll tell you why
      I’ll tell you why

      Today I am remembering the time
      When they pulled me back
      And held me down
      And looked me in the eyes and said
      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      You just haven’t earned it, my son
      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby
      You must stay on your own for slightly longer
      You just haven’t earned it yet baby
      And I’m telling you now

      You just haven’t earned it yet, baby

    187. heedtracker says:

      I am sure the “silent majority” of WOS readers agree with me.

      You’ve yet to say anything remotely interesting pro indy or SNP Rock?

      What are the issues that are going you to get out voting 4th of May?

      Who’s your SNP MP and what are they like?

      He asks the most futile queries of a troll possible:D

    188. DerekM says:

      Shall we test that Rock?

      Hey Rev how about a poll since the Rock knows best what the wingers think.

    189. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie A, crazycat, Cactus, Caz-m, BDTT and/or abody else who was at the last PQ demo.

      Can someone please remind me of the name of the big lad near the end who did the ‘rap’ stuff?

    190. Rock says:

      heedtracker, let me remind you of your opinion of WOS and its author:


      “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”

      What are YOU up to on WoS, heedtracker, day and night?

      As for me, I honestly and seriously believe that if Yes wins, it will be WOS and its author that has tipped the balance in favour of Yes.

    191. K1 says:

      I’m not apologising to him for anything I said. I mean it.

    192. Rock says:

      I repeat:

      I mean no harm to any yes supporter but there are too many sycophants posting here and their comments must be challenged when necessary.


    193. DerekM says:

      So that is it is it Rock i do not give a fuck if you care about independence in fact i am probably the only Winger who actually thinks that.

      You as far as i am concerned deliberately set out to disrupt this thread by starting a fight it is called flaming and for that you should say goodbye imo.

    194. heedtracker says:

      As for me, I honestly and seriously believe that if Yes wins, it will be WOS and its author that has tipped the balance in favour of Yes.”

      You just want people like me to stop, go away and not say anything under WoS blogs Rock, fair enough but is it because I’m such a sycophant, I bash out stuff like, “Rock, whatever you’re up to on WoS, listen up, the author of Wings over Scotland is not the messiah and he’s not going to win ref 2.”

      All the logic of a troll Rock.

    195. Smallaxe says:


      I avoid loud and aggressive people, they are vexatious to my spirit but in your case, I forgive you as that will probably annoy a specimen like you.

      Peace Always

    196. Tinto Chiel says:

      I suppose in the Big Book of Life there are those who enhance our short time under the sun with their wit, good humour, love of music, and of life, and by their dignity in adversity. These souls are to be cherished and we grow in their company.

      And then there are the others, who offer nothing but utter negativity and corrosive bitterness.

    197. Iain says:

      The yoons are defeated and they know it.
      The UK is no more.
      The end is neigh.

    198. Bob Mack says:


      You are way out of line I fear. The question is do you know it?

      If not I feel sorry for you having all that resentment towards people. I have seldom if ever seen you post a positive view of anything. You hate lawyers judges (sycophants) and just about anybody who does not fit your narrow frames of reference.Boy, has life kicked you about.

      Actually I pity you that you try to ridicule someone on here who has only ever expressed compassion towards others. Get a grip.

    199. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood Aye Ian U wait tae ave put the leaflets in the bin then ask that question, hud oan the noo ——— that feking bin needs a gid cleaning again Shaun Moore, an jist tae let U know ah dont bin rake fur jist oanybudy , an am saying that wie a funny squeaky voice, the klaispegs still oan ma nose lol.

    200. Smallaxe says:

      Thank you, everyone, who came to my defence, I have only just come back online and seen the post directed at me. Please ignore the person concerned in future, as I will.Thank you again, my Friends.

      Peace and Love to you All

    201. arthur thomson says:

      This issue is going to haunt the Tories.

      It boils down to: you can’t OWN more than two children if you don’t have the funds to sustain them. It is the same issue of ownership that motivated their opposition to the named person scheme.

      Davidson and her followers are Thatcherite Tories, including the red tories who have chosen to swell their ranks – the sanctimonious, purse-mouthed ex Slab supporters who rage at a ‘something for nothing culture’.

      Whatever their deluded notions of superiority, they are in fact – UNCIVILISED.

    202. caz m says:

      Cheers Ronnie Anderson 2.55pm

      Posting BBC Scotland protest video from last month.

      Oh the memories. If I hadn’t turned up that tent would have blown away, lol.

      hi Ian Brotherhood, I can’t remember the name of the Rapper guy.

      A big hello to all who made it a great wee day oot.

    203. CameronB Brodie says:

      OT. Re. all these whiny Yoons going full Tonto over Pete Wishart’s use of BBC aproved houmour.

      The BBC felt it acceptable to broadcast the Chewing the Fat sketch in to every Scottish household receiving a signal. You are tryibng to make political capital out of nothing.

      Grown up please, virtue gesturing feeds fascism.

      @David Scott
      Wantt to talk about morality? What about Brexit, Britain’s involvent in Yemen, privatisation of the English NHS, etc….?

    204. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie A –

      Cheers mister, much appreciated. I wanted to look him up on the Youtube cause I’m sure I’d seen him before that day. I want to show my son that rapping is not the preserve of the young.

      @caz-m Hoots to you too brother!

    205. ronnie anderson says:

      Classic Troll manoeuvre when people ignore your uttering’s Resort to Abuse.

      Cmon Lads N Lassies we’re better than any Disrupter . I’ll say this again IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE.

      An am no shouting chist highlighting ma point.

    206. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie A –

      Forgot to say thanks for bin-delving. I hope you don’t get burst blood vessels on the end of your nose – yon midgie-raking’s a serious business fraught with all manner of dangers, and something of a dying art.

    207. North chiel says:

      Yes ” robin” at 0600pm . Money for defence ” posturing” no object
      especially to provide a ” splash” in the state controlled media for the PM
      when the domestic agenda is ” falling apart” , what better for the ” union” and
      establishment than the ” drum beat” towards war ? Anyway , where possibly could our trident subs be I wonder?. Are the missile launch codes and authorisations under
      US military control ??
      Is the PM under pressure to join in and ” sabre rattle” possibly to undermine
      our FM ?

    208. louis.b.argyll says:

      I’d say the number of sycophants is fairly representative..

    209. ronnie anderson says:

      @ caz-m That was the 1st time I’ve seen it , I tried contacting Ian Russell for his video but auld Ian’s no weil the noo . I’ll get a new Gizebo for the AUOB June 3rd, hopefully we can set up as we did before with lindsay & Ken & use our Gizbo as a Tea/Coffee stall.

      @ Ian Brotherhood Shaun has sung at a few events, HOF & Holyrood .

    210. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood Midden raking was profitable in ma teens , many a auld yin got ah bargain 6d fur a bunch of Green Banana’s straight aff the branch an they were Fyffes naen o that Carmin Marranda shit. lol

    211. Free Scotland says:

      A further example of Tory compassion appears in this article, which dishes more dirt on Donald Gatt, ex-UKIP, now vile Tory.

    212. Artyhetty says:

      Great image. Davidson has really blotted her copybook, with regard to Scotland. Ermine awaits her, London darling, one day soon no doubt. Urgh.

      If that was me, and it would never be but if it was, like in another universe, I would need daily,no hourly debriefing so as not to go to bed at night knowing I had just shafted my own country, and that I had spat on actual vulnerable women.

      My book just arrived today, ‘Natural Resources of Scotland, Symposium at The Royal Society of Edinburgh’ 1960/61. Came across it completely by chance. Have done a bit of speed reading some if it, wow. It is a ton weight, at 796 pages. Costs 1p to buy.

      Ok, it is beleive it or not, very interesting. They talk about everything, except the oil! Elephant in the room me thinks. One speaker, from the US, expert on Latin America, does say, on page 751; ‘Finally, and the element that is perhaps crucial, and may even be present today in it’s early form, is an organisation to carry these measures into effect. A visitor to this country is struck by what I may call the unusual nature of your Governmental arrangements. I perhaps hear the rustle of Scottish Nationalism in the wings!’ He then goes on to talk about the ‘absense of national or a (competent) ‘sub national Governmental organisation’. In the context of Scotland’s natural resources.

      Probably seems very boring, but the whole book is very interesting, to me anyway. It covers everything as I say, but oil!

      They often talk about Scotland as a region, but the conclusion is what we would expect, Scotland is and was then, considered a very rich country, in terms of resources. Funny that.

    213. caz m says:

      Ronnie Anderson Ian brotherhood

      If we don’t win our Independence then rakin the Midgies will return to our street sooner than you think.

      And see you all on 3rd June.

    214. caz m says:

      This Ruth R*pe Clause is not going away any time soon:

      “Rape clause: Ruth Davidson riles up Glasgow West End residents for supporting new rule”

    215. caz m says:

      This Ruth R*pe Clause is not going away any time soon:

      “R*pe Clause: Ruth Davidson riles up Glasgow West End residents for supporting new rule”

    216. arthur thomson says:

      @ Smallaxe

      I’ve always liked referring to people affectionately as ‘Pal’. I wonder if that is short for Peace and Love?

      Who knows. Anyway, we’re all with you,


    217. paul gerard mccormack says:

      robert peffers was asking about this earlier –

      here is janey Godley on the very subject

      sadly true every word of it –

      i did see this described as satire – more like the truth of the matter as far as i can hear.

    218. Macart says:

      Spotted this on Rev’s twitter.

      Never a truer point made.

      These two statements highlight one other thing. They bring into sharp focus Labour in Scotland’s act of democratic vandalism throughout the 2014 referendum. They led better together’s campaign front to back, supported from afar by Cameron’s government and all the mechanisms of Westminster power.

      That we are still part of the political union today is due to Labour in Scotland’s efforts.

      So what did their efforts buy Scotland’s electorate?

      We now enjoy being part of and party to a societally divided UK teetering on the edge of an immigration driven, intolerant and ill advised Brexit. A Brexit which was given no thought for any consequences, not economic, not political and most certainly not societal.

      Three million UK wide and some 190k UK resident EU citizens of continental origin living in Scotland as new Scots. They now live with the all too real fear of a very uncertain future. Do we really think this will stop with EU citizens? How many overseas nationals now call the UK home? What of their future? So much fear and uncertainty for their future at the hands of what is without doubt one of the most appalling conservative governments in the UK’s political history (and there’s been a few crackers).

      Do we also really need to cover EVEL, ongoing austerity ideology and the wholesale destruction of benefits? How about the now very hollow claim of pooling and sharing? Where were those broad shoulders in times of economic hardship? The only shoulders capable of stewarding Scotland’s highly volatile and hopelessly complex oil resources when they were needed? It wasn’t only the oil industry who suffered in this period. Almost ironically HMRC in Scotland also felt the lack of support. Our retail sector could probably tell a tale of woe too. Oh, and how about those orders for the Clyde? Rolling in are they?

      Then we really do come to the constitution. An epic Scotland bill settlement. A settlement which makes Scotland the most powerful devolved legislature in the Milky Way galaxy. Devo max and the nearest thing to federalism promised. Partial control of income tax and the vital competence of road signage, aggregates levy and APD delivered. In reality, a punishment exercise for our people, our Scottish Government and our Westminster MPs.

      We’re fed a daily diet of arrogance, ignorance and humiliation for daring to exercise our democratic and inalienable human rights. We’re also expected to respect those who put us through these trials regardless of their actions and, more importantly, their lack of agreed upon actions.

      We’re expected to obey our betters. Turn the other cheek. Eat our cereal. Mainly because… fluffy sez so and he’s backed by lots and lots of MPs we DID NOT vote for. That do NOT live in Scotland and who would no doubt have trouble locating our country with the aid of a map, a GPS and a six man safari.

      How much more pain do we need to go through? How much more stress and utterly needless suffering should our poor and our powerless be subjected to? What will it take before we say enough is enough? What KIND of country do we want to live in and live with?

      Apologies for the length of post, but still ragin’.

    219. geeo says:

      It is getting really old, coming on here and having to skim past responses to trolling wankers.

      Ignore them ffs. The fact they get ever more desperate to get responses says we are winning.

      I am going to post this again, as a wee reminder as to why we are winning.
      ‘Battle Lines’

      As I stared across the battlefield,
      At my enemies, bold and strong.
      Armed with all their weapons,
      Sharpened points and long.

      I bowed my head down slowly,
      And took a mighty breath.
      My heart was beating fast now,
      Almost beating out my chest.

      I took a glance behind me,
      And what my eyes did see.
      An army staged and ready,
      Yet not a sword to be.

      As I stared across the battlefield,
      At my enemies, weak and wrong.
      I knew that we had beat them,
      With words and pen, and song.

      A peaceful revolution,
      Redemption of a dream.
      A land betrothed of equals,
      A country that is free.”

    220. Tinto Chiel says:


      It’s been a long thread, so this is always relevant for the battle ahead.

    221. Chris F says:

      Chris Cairns, political cartoonist.

      He is light years ahead of his contemporaries. And that’s an understatement.

    222. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      galamcennalath at 5.19

      An interesting point is that the population of R o Ireland in 1925 was 2.9 million when the population of Scotland was just under 5 million (and would have been well above 5 million had we not lost 130,000 men and fathers in WW1).
      The population of RoI will shortly pass Scotland’s 5.2 million and the population of the Irish island is already well over 6 million.
      Somebody recently said to me “You don’t want to end up like Ireland do you?”
      “Yes” I said (and I’d have better pension for a start.)

    223. crazycat says:

      @ Arty Hetty at 10.12

      They talk about everything, except the oil! Elephant in the room me thinks.

      When I first read that part of your comment, I thought “not surprising in 1960”, but then I wondered if I was right, so I looked it up.

      As always, I don’t want to rely too heavily on Wikipedia, but they do say (in

      The UK Continental Shelf Act came into force in May 1964. Seismic exploration and the first well followed later that year.

      That seems to be the start of offshore exploration/extraction, though knowledge of onshore resources long predates that. I can vaguely remember the shift from town gas to North Sea (we didn’t have gas, but relatives did) round about then.

      Interestingly, the article also says

      In the petroleum industry, the term “North Sea” often includes areas such as the Norwegian Sea and the area known as “West of Shetland”, “the Atlantic Frontier” or “the Atlantic Margin” that is not geographically part of the North Sea.

      Maybe someone who works in the industry could confirm (or not) that. Apologies if they already have and I’ve missed it.

    224. Smallaxe says:

      arthur thomson:

      I would agree with that sentiment, Arthur, if it didn’t mean Peace and Love before, it does now!

      Peace Always Pal

    225. Fireproofjim says:

      Oil was discovered in the North Sea (Montrose Field) in 1969 and,shortly after, BP discovered Forties,, and started production in 1975.
      There was scepticism in the government that there was any oil in the North Sea and licences were practically given away. BP has been producing oil for over forty years and made billions upon billions of profit.

    226. heedtracker says:

      BP has been producing oil for over forty years and made billions upon billions of profit”

      Its probably NOT by chance that your average voter, me, hasn’t the faintest idea how much not Scots oil and gas revenue has been extracted, so far.

      Nor do any of us know how much is left.

      Its not by chance, but you can bet your May 4, some people know, right down to the last barrel.

      Maybe their gimps like Rock know:D

      But they’re maybe just too busy picking fights with strangers online.

      You can bet your non Scots oil dollar, every Norwegian knows how much Norway’s oil reserves are worth.

      We’re such a stupid Scotland region, at the end of the UKOK day. Just ask socialist workers like Lord Flipper, seated on the board of Morgan Stanley,

    227. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Macart (10.44) –

      Apologise for nothing mister.

      Yer words are powerful and true.

      Get yer ain blog going and properly let rip!

      More power to ye.


    228. boris says:

      Ruth Davidson is becoming a bit of a loose cannon. Her most recent attack on women and rape is beyond the pale. But will Margaret Mitchell, Tory Convener of the Justice Committee reign her in??

    229. David says:

      CameronB Brodie, thanks for posting this link at 3:58pm.
      I recommend everyone have a look, it’s only a 12-page document, but has lots of very quotable/tweetable lines in it:

      We need a YES vote in #ScotRef to separate Scotland from #RapeClauseRuth’s Tory bosses in Westminster. If not, they will happily grind us out of existence.

    230. crazycat says:

      @ fireproofjim

      Thanks – it was mostly the terminology re “West of Shetland” etc that I was seeking confirmation for, but your post is of course also helpful.

    231. Still Positive says:

      Ian B @12.03.

      Totally agree. Macart should have his own blog. He has proved that when he has stood in for the Wee Ginger Dug when he has been away.

    232. geeo says:

      @tinto chiel..


      Haunting and beautiful ..thanks for sharing that.

    233. Tinto Chiel says:

      You’re welcome, geeo.

      Shouldn’t have engaged with the TW tonight: you’re right but, as Kenneth Williams used to say on Round The Horne, I’m pleading the headaches! 😀

    234. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Still Positive (12.22) –

      I didn’t know that.

      If we don’t encourage one another to get in there about them, who else will?

      ‘Macart’, whoever ye are…please give it some thought, eh?


    235. maureen says:

      Robert J Sutherland

      Sorry, never saw your comment Yes, it made for uneasy reading, there is no depth they won’t sink to undermine our self determination. They wouldn’t be so stupid as to try and shut down holyrood? Can they even do that.

      I miss Nana and her links, hope she is ok

    236. Artyhetty says:

      Re; crazycat@11.12pm

      I saw that date of 1964 on WP as well. In fact not so long ago, I read somewhere that Oil was at least known about way before, in the 1950s at least. Can’t remember where now. What the book does say, is that Scotland’s oil n gas is kinda useless, basically, it’s all shale oil, gas is running out before it becomes known about and er, nothing to see here, but there is eons worth of coal! I have to read more anyway, but just speed reading, it is an eye opener.

      A wee bit strange as this ‘Symposium’, with international speakers as well, may well have been taking place just as the rigs were being built for oil extraction in Scotland’s waters. You don’t just discover oil and invest and build the infrastructure etc overnight,in order to extract it. It takes decades.

      Scotland was under populated, with skills and talents leaving in their droves as is pointed out. The speaker from the US draws our attention to the fact that Puerto Rica,which he compares to Scotland in terms of resources and people etc, was also depopulating but that in contrast, the skilled workers were in fact not the ones to leave, they were needed and well paid in their own country. Anyway, much to read, when time allows.

      If anyone is keen, the book is avail on amazon for 1p. Says it all really. The one I bought was kept at Somerset county council library.

    237. Smallaxe says:

      As it has gone quiet I hope no one minds if I leave this.


      Peace and Love to All

    238. Wee Alex says:

      Just saw this nonsense about Darling.

      I once supported Darling for his socialist values. I once thought the Tories were the enemy. I’m appalled, and angry with myself for voting hi and his ilk.

      It’s often said “I didn’t leave the Labour Party, they left me”. If ever you needed evidence, just read heed trackers article.

      The man is an abomination.

    239. Smallaxe says:

      Wee Alex:

      You are not the only one to be conned by this self-aggrandizing con man Alex, don’t get angry, get even. Things like this only make us fight harder for what is rightfully ours and we will prevail, of this, I am certain, my Friend.

      Peace and Love to you and Yours

    240. Macart says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      No mystery Ian. My name is Sam to my friends and yes I’ve sometimes put the odd post in for WGD when the man takes a well earned break. I like to help out where I can and if I can.

      The suggestion is appreciated, but I’m no writer and our new media needs dedicated, knowledgeable writers who know what they’re about and financial support. iScot, WOS, WGD and co. are the real deal. Money is best spent where it is most needed.

      I’m more a ranter wi banter. 😀

    241. TheItalianJob says:


      Always enjoy your well written and thoughtful posts. You do express the cause for Scotland’s self determination most elequently.

      Been reading your posts in Wings and your pieces on WGD since around 2012.

      Keep up the good work. Much appreciated.

    242. TheItalianJob says:

      @Alex and Smallaxe

      Like you both was conned most of my life to support Labour but since 2014 no more. They have never had the true interest of Scotland or its people in their politics or more importantly their hearts. All just establishment troughers.

    243. Thepnr says:


      I’m the ranter wie nae banter. Your a poet in comparison. Still you and I know we’re on the same side, the side of the good guys not the wanks LOL.

      Sorry couldn’t resist Sam, my wicked streak you see. Even saying that will bring me pelters. Tough, couldn’t care to be honest robbing the poorest families of welfare because they have more than two children is what makes me boak not voting.

      I’m beyond annoyed now.

    244. Smallaxe says:

      We have a good solid base of ranters on WoS, too many to name but when you look at our crowdfund, great as it was, only a small percentage of us actually contributed. What is wrong with all you Scots looking in but not contributing to either the fund or the debate.

      Please, I implore you all to come on and talk to us and donate even a pound, we need as much money as possible to get the word out to the uninformed who are still relying on the MSM and BBC crap that they are being fed daily.

      A couple of words, just to let us know that you are with us will do.

      Peace Always

    245. TheItalianJob says:


      Agree with you ref funding. I have always funded WOS for each of its fundraisers since 2012 and funds Yes Stirring during the 2014 Indyref.

      No matter how small the contribution each person that can contribute all helps our cause.

      Thanks for your posts each day and always polite.

    246. TheItalianJob says:

      “funded Yes Stirling”


    247. Smallaxe says:


      Thank you, my Friend, for your kind words, like yourself I too have contributed to all the necessary crowdfunds but I am baffled by the known readers that we have that it only seems to be mostly us who post here that contribute (Apologies to those who contribute without posting regularly) is there something that puts others off donating, if so please inform us and I’m sure that we can come to some arrangement.

      We are up against the BBC, who are giving £88 million to newspapers over the next 11 years. We need every penny to set our country free.

      Peace Always

    248. Big Phil says:

      Just in and reading posts, Cant believe anyone can go against Smallaxe. SERIOUSLY.? How low can you bastards go, in all Smallaxe’s posts its always peace, if more people were like smallaxe we would have a beautiful world never mind a beautiful Scotland. seriously out of all wingers smallaxe will give ye the time of day. PEACE ALWAYS .

    249. Smallaxe says:

      Big Phil:

      Thank you, my Friend.
      For You

      Peace and Love to You and Yours

    250. TheItalianJob says:

      @Big Phil

      Totally agree with you on this one. People like Smallaxe and Nana et al on Wings makes me proud to be Scottish without the “but” if you know what I mean.

    251. Ken500 says:

      It’s a stitch up

      The Council elections in England are FPTP

      Everyone wondered why the useless 3rd raters could keep on regurgitating. Mucking up the local/national communities. It’s STV

      Everyone though it was a TV station. It’s just a unionist stitch up. A bunch useless of wasters who destroy the local/national economy. Wasting £Billions of taxpayers money on groteque projects the majority do not want and not funding essential services. Cutting essential services and borrowing and spending on any non mandated waste of money, valueless nonsense. Against the majority wishes and public interest. The unionist/green no party.

    252. cearc says:

      Hilarious (or perhaps that should be disturbing), thread here,

      Maybe Exiting the EU dept. have given dogfood man a job.

    253. Mr troot says:

      Hi small axe we are with you and contribute to most everything peace to you too

    254. Robert Kerr says:

      I have previously posted on the plethora of voting systems here in Scotland but as ken500 mentions there are more. I had a confusing conversation with an English friend regarding Birmingham Mayoral Election. She is voting for the communist who seems the only one for her.

      Now I understand the confusion. Too many systems. European Elections in NI are different to those in GB.

      Ref to this website for enlightenment

      Why so many systems other than to deliberately confuse the voters?

    255. Robert Louis says:

      In case anybody has forgotten (the Tories hope you do), let’s remember the stance the Tories took in the last Scottish Parliamentary election regarding independence.

      Ruth Davidson explicitly stood on a ticket of ‘preventing another independence referendum’. All the Tory brochures stated so. Indeed, most of them featured Ruth Davidson, and how she would prevent independence.

      The SNP on the other hand stood on a complete manifesto, including a cast iron commitment that should Scotland be taken out of the EU against its wishes, then they would have another referendum.

      The people of Scotland decided in 2016. They overwhelmingly backed the SNP.

      The constituency vote share was as follows;

      In 1st Place, SNP 46.6%
      2nd place Labour 22.6%
      3rd place Tories 22.0%

      So, after devoting their entire campaign to a commitment to preventing an independence referendum, Ruth Davidsons toxic tories came third in constituency vote share.

      Then when we look at constituency seats, we have,

      1st place SNP 59 seats
      2ns place Tory 7 seats
      3rd place Labour 3 seats

      Final totals were (after list seats)

      SNP 63 seats

      Tory 31 seats

      Labour 24 seats.

      So, let’s be clear, by ANY measure, the people of Scotland elected the SNP as their government in the proportional parliament, and rejected Ruth Davidson appeals to prevent another independence referendum. The Tories have fewer than half the number of seats the SNP have, that is how far behind they are. Their is now a pro independence majority (including the greens) elected in the Scottish parliament. THAT is democracy.

      The ONLY reason the Tories are suggesting using the council elections to ‘prevent’ another independence referendum, is because they know that otherwise they likely would win very few seats. It is nothing but an incredibly cynical move by the Tories, and it seems like some Labour folk have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. How stupid can Labour be??

      Do these people really want Tory run councils, cutting and privatising their schools social care and other services? That is what would happen. More importantly, electing a TORY councillor will have ZERO impact on whether their is a referendum, since the Parliament is where that has already been decided. So you lose twice, suckers!

      More fool Kezia Dugdale for playing along with Ruth Davidsons charade. Talk about getting played.

    256. Robert Kerr says:

      On a happier note especially for those of the Christian faith.

      Luke 24:34

      “He is risen!” or more fully “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”

      Peace to all including smallaxe and Nana.

    257. Capella says:

      @ cearc – surely that’s a spoof site?! I can’t believe a Govt Dept would publish such naff graphs. Poor even by the dogfood salesman standards. So UKs best trading hope is Lichtenstein.

    258. TheItalianJob says:

      @Robert Kerr

      Many thanks for your Easter message Robert.

      Happy Easter to all here on Wings.

    259. Ken500 says:

      The Churches have privileges above the Law. The equal opportunities Employment Laws. Abuse and offences Laws.

      Teresas May leader of a Tory Party that committed electoral fraud in 31 constituencies and starves the vulnerable to death is a total hypocrite, The eye of the needle etc. The poisoned chalice. Illegal wars, banking fraud and tax evasion. £Trns of debt and rising.

    260. sinky says:

      Still no reference to racist Tory council candidates on BBC Scotland even anti SAP Sunday Times has a news article on the topic this morning

    261. Brian Powell says:


      SBBC is complicit by deliberate omission, just as the BBC in London was when it hid the scandals of Saville etc.

    262. Smallaxe says:

      Robert Kerr:

      Thank you, for your kindness Robert, I’m sure Nana will appreciate it also. I hope you have a happy and peaceful Easter, my Friend.

      Peace Always

    263. DerekM says:

      I see the tory rags are using the age old tory method of deflection.

      Hey look at the bad foreigner and never mind what we did he is much worse he is famous.

      If you cant win the narrative try to change the narrative in an attempt to pass the heat from the subject to an external source.

      Coincidence that the rags are all shouting about this today ,i think not.

    264. Hamish100 says:

      Sunday Times will avoid news that implicates the Tories in any misdemeanours. We don’t have a “free press”. We have a partial mainly Tory press. Thank goodness for The National. I’m sure rock will agree? Oops he doesn’t read papers.

      OT- the Sunday Times front page talks about people ruining Scotland by taking selfies in our beauty spots. No mention of hordes though. Worst spot for this is the Glencoe valley! The journalist doesn’t know what Glen means. I’m off to the Bonnie Bonnie banks of Lake LochLomond. Happy Easter. Ocky eye the noo.

    265. galamcennalath says:

      From the Times …

      “We have a political system increasingly characterised by one bunch of politicians at Westminster imposing policies on Scotland, and another bunch at Holyrood using their enhanced powers to cancel them out. ….. There is nothing creative about the tension within the UK’s constitutional arrangements. No business could function effectively with such internal feuding. A demerger is needed.”

      This type of comment/opinion article is becoming more common in the UK wide press. There is undoubtedly a growing acceptance that the way forward for the UK is to breakup.

      There was nothing like this in 2014. By ScotRef all sorts of people and organisations will have come to accept Indy is going to happen and is the right choice.

    266. galamcennalath says:

      Robert Kerr says:

      Why so many systems other than to deliberately confuse the voters?

      I believe it is to spread confusion, on multiple levels.

      Labour and Tory want to preserve FPTP at WM because it gives each a chance to rule absolutely with 35-40% of votes cast. FPTP is used by virtually no one else now. If one democratic, effective, and understood PR system was used for all other elections, most folks would want WM to be the same. By keeping different systems, which many don’t understand, they keep their beloved FPTP safe.

      Another way is which the different systems work to confuse is by making democracy less understood and less effective. This is always high on the establishment agenda!

      In Scotland in particular, suppression of democracy is part of the plan to retain their Union.

      In iScotland we will have no FPTP systems, what we must do is adopt the same PR system at all levels,

    267. Dorothy Devine says:

      Smallaxe , thank you for my favourite man before Sunday breakfast!

      Happy Easter to one and all , even though April showers seem to have set in for the day by the looks of it – at least in Glasgow.

    268. heedtracker says:

      Torygirl Mayhem in stinky old Graun. Bomber Blair’s henchman Alistair Campbell says,“I think even vicars’ daughters should be a little wary of allying their politics to their faith,” he said.

      “Easter is a moment to reflect, and an important time for Christians and others to gather together with families and friends,” May, who is the daughter of a Church of England clergyman, says in the three-minute video.

      “This year, after a period of intense debate over the right future for our country, there is a sense that people are coming together and uniting behind the opportunities that lie ahead. For at heart, this country is one great union of people and nations with a proud history and a bright future. And as we face the opportunities ahead – the opportunities that stem from our decision to leave the EU, and embrace the world – our shared interests, our shared ambitions and, above all, our shared values can and must bring us together.”

      Jesus is a tory too, JC’s Easter message is nice and there is once again, no mention of third party SNP, as stinky old Graun’s black out of the SNP continues. Graun mentioned the SNP once, but they think that’s enough.

      Happy Easter fellow vile seps.

    269. caz m says:

      No mention of this from our English based TV media this morning:

      “Britain set to lose EU ‘crown jewels’ of banking and medicine agencies”

      “Rival member states vie to attract prestigious agencies currently located in London as diplomats agree to block talks on future comprehensive trade deal”

    270. heedtracker says:

      Tory Beeb gimps have faith in Mayhem. Thank you tory Jesus!

      “Two private firms that assess people claiming disability benefits will get nearly £200m more than officials had originally expected, figures suggest.

      The UK government had estimated that Atos and Capita would earn £512m for Personal Independence Payments (PIPs) assessments between 2013 and 2017.

      But analysis by the Press Association suggests they will actually get £700m.”

      God loves a tory,

      “More than 50,000 disabled people have had specially adapted vehicles taken away since changes to disability benefits in 2013.

      The Motability scheme entitles disabled people to lease a specially adapted new car, scooter or powered wheelchair using part of their benefit.
      But the charity says that 51,000 people have had vehicles taken away since the benefits system was changed in 2013.

      The government says there are more people on the scheme now than in 2010”

      Because less is more. Its in the bible.

    271. cearc says:


      The problem isn’t the website, it’s the spoof government that we have at westminster!

      They got well shredded in the comments. They really are becoming a worldwide joke.

      Still, great news about the growing trade with single market member Lichenstein (sic) pop.35K. Who knows how much that figure might improve if they learn how to spell it!

    272. Brian Powell says:

      Poll for Daily Telegraph shows 58.7% of Scots support Scotland becoming Independent. 15th-16th March 2017.

      For the whole of the UK it’s the opposite. Online poll. i don’t now the poll sample size for Scotland.

    273. Brian Powell says:

      Poll for Daily Telegraph shows 58.7% of Scots support Scotland becoming Independent. 15th-16th March 2017.

      For the whole of the UK it’s the opposite. Online poll. Small sample size for Scotland.

    274. Ken500 says:

      Teresa May and her Party of lying ignorant murdering hypocrites have caused death and destruction in the world. They have caused the worth migration crisis in Europe since 11WW. Now they are illegally out to ruin the world economy. Most of them should be put in jail. May the illegitimate corrupt PM and Alistair Campbell. The mass muderering illegal warsters, financial fraudsters and tax evaders. Most of the crooks in Westminster.

      May the multimillionaire, the Hedge fund husband and their associates who are trying to crash the world economy. The only thing more than their arrogance and ignorance is their greed. Starving the vulnerable. Despicable. UnChristian. .

      The US has been starving North Korea for over fifty years with illegal sanctions. The Chinese have had to help them out.

    275. cearc says:

      From the Economist,

      ‘Boris Johnson embodies the weakness of Britain’s foreign policy’

    276. Ken500 says:

      The cost of the assessment is twice the amount that is being taken away from disabled people. The costs are double. It would cost 50% less than the bureaucracy of administration, to give the disable people more than what they have taken away. The bureaucracy costs more than giving the disabled and vulnerable people the funds to which they are entitled. The ‘bedroom tax’ etc increases costs of administration and alternative accommodation. .

      The Tories are illegally borrowing and spending £Billions on Hinkley by the sea, HS2, Heathrow and Trident. All a total waste of money, with more credible cheaper alternatives. They are cutting NHS/Education and starving the vulnerable to death.

      They need Trident against Trump? The hypocrisy.

    277. heedtracker says:

      Like Graun, beeb gimps black out third party SNP, because as we all know, Jesus is not an SNP voter, he’s British.

      Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the Easter message of peace “could not have more urgency throughout the world”.
      Christian values

      Mrs May, who is a vicar’s daughter, said that shared values “can and must bring us together” following the UK’s vote to leave the EU by 52% to 48% in June 2016.

      Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron discussed the row over the name of the egg hunt in his Easter message, suggesting it had had little to do with Christianity but was more about holding on to “something comfortable and traditional”.

      This also is in the bible, Easter beeb gimps want to say.

    278. heedtracker says:

      Mayhen says Jesus is a tory, for Easter but

      “Reacting to the message, Alastair Campbell, who famously said when working for Tony Blair that “we don’t do God”, suggested May should tread carefully when linking her faith to the political challenges facing the country. “I think even vicars’ daughters should be a little wary of allying their politics to their faith,” he said.”

      Torygraph, 2009, John Burton, Mr Blair’s political agent in his Sedgefield constituency for 24 years, says stuff like,

      “I truly believe that his Christianity affected his policy-making on just about everything from aid to Africa, education, poverty, world debt and intervening in other countries when he thought it was right to do it.

      “The fervour was part of him and it comes back to it being Christian fervour that spurred him into action for better or worse.”

      Mr Burton says that inherent in Mr Blair’s faith was the belief that people should be treated fairly: “He applied that same principle in everything he did – from establishing the Social Exclusion Unit to ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, and ridding Iraq of the evils of Saddam Hussein’s rule.”

      The comments will add to the suspicions of Mr Blair’s critics, who fear he saw the Iraq war in a similar light to former US President George W Bush, who used religious rhetoric in talking about the conflict, as well as the war in Afghanistan, describing them as “a crusade”

      Easter psychopaths, what would Jesus do? vote tory, blue and red, its a crusade.

    279. schrodingers cat says:

      someone has done some good work here, useful link for council17

    280. Flower of Scotland says:

      I’ve been watching Euronews for a long time now and I think it’s far superior to the BBC, Sky or ITV.

      It’s amazing how much world news we are not told. The French Elections for example are very important to us and might affect the EU, but no mention on British State Propaganda.

      They don’t make it easy to watch Euronews. I watch it on an old sky box used as satellite box but can’t get it on freesat. As for digital TV in my area of Fife p. BBC 24 hour news is the only 24 hr news site available.

      All I’m saying is that those with just freeview don’t get a choice to watch anything but State Propaganda.


    281. ronnie anderson says:

      Its nauseating reading/listening to Sainted Teresa & the Easter Brigade of Church & State , coming together DELUDED one & all Britain more divided than anytime in the past.

      Roll on INDEPENDENCE.

    282. Flower of Scotland says:

      As an amendment to the above, I of course flick through every news channel available to man, to compare them ?

    283. heedtracker says:

      It’s amazing how much world news we are not told. The French Elections for example are very important to us and might affect the EU, but no mention on British State Propaganda.”

      Youre clearly not watching or listening to anything with Ligger Neil or Nic Robinson, who all say, Le Pen is a goddess, who will win, the EU will then collapse, planet toryboy will rise from the ashes, and every Leave vote can stand proud, with Pres Trump, who is not a psychopath, either.

      Another nice display of toryboy Easter gimpery. Which third party has been left out of this comrespoll poll? Martin is on the rather thick end of the planet toryboy spectrum, so maybe he just forgot.

      Iain Martin Retweeted
      John Rentoul?Verified account @JohnRentoul 17h17 hours ago
      Tory lead up to 21 points: Con 46% +4, Lab 25% ±0, Lib Dem 11% -1, UKIP 9% -1, Green 4% ±0 @ ComResPolls for @ Independent & @ TheSundayMirror

    284. jfngw says:

      @ heedtracker

      The exclusion of the third largest party at WM just reinforces the fact that the BBC does not speak to the whole UK. The SNP are the Scottish equivalent to Sinn Fein to them, just waiting for them to be dubbed by actors voices next.

    285. ronnie anderson says:

      @ shrodingers cat Thanks for that post at 11.01 I was enquiring from Thepnr last night about Paula Rose standing for the council elections in Brechin & Edzell , the mannies put in a lot of work Im glad to see he’s still on the ballot paper.

      Wishing U all the bestest Paul.

    286. Macart says:

      @ronnie anderson

      Yeah, clocked the PM’s Easter message and basicially disingenuous and patronizing spring to mind.

      To be perfectly clear, I see no coming together over Brexit. I see no unity of mind or purpose in society and on a strictly personal note, I want no part of Ms May’s idea of ‘shared’ values.

      I’d say her idea of values are somewhat damaged goods.

    287. heedtracker says:

      jfngw says:
      16 April, 2017 at 11:13 am
      @ heedtracker

      The exclusion of the third largest party at WM just reinforces the fact that the BBC does not speak to the whole UK. The SNP are the Scottish equivalent to Sinn Fein to them, just waiting for them to be dubbed by actors voices next.

      It is an very extraordinary black out though, in any democracy anywhere. Pretending there is no SNP is all kinds of creepy in these news rooms, British newsrooms:D

      Has there ever been anything like this kind of blackout before in any Western democracy? Cant think…off hand.

      All of these outfits proclaim themselves UK wide so English only focus reasoning just makes them even creepier. But its probably all fine, if youre a tory, and tory Jesus too, with those shared tory Jesus values.

      Where are those good ol Christian toryboy values, on which we rely. Be great of Jesus did actually show up today, at Buck Palace gates for example.

      Come on Jesus!

      If I DO get struck down today, Jesus probably is just another UKOK toryboy roaster:D

    288. gus1940 says:

      BBC Scotland Easter Sunday religious programming:-

      Church of England Service from Hereford.
      Pope’s Easter Address.
      Songs Of Praise from Manchester.

      Did BBC Scotland not used to have a weekly Scottish Songs of Praise?

    289. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      They are as good as doing it @jfngw says at 11:13 am

      “…just waiting for them to be dubbed by actors voices next.”

      Haven’t you noticed BBC will always talk over what an SNP Member says and tells you what they mean rather than actually let you hear what they said.

      Most obvious when it is the First Minister.

      Slightly less obvious than the ‘dubbing’ Gerry Adams used to get and more effective.

    290. Ken500 says:

      The Tories could be outvoted in the rest of the UK if there was any political will. Unfortunately their is none. No opposition. That is why they get away with it. Including illegal action lying and breaking electoral rules. With impunity.

    291. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      @heedtracker says at 11:26 am

      “If I DO get struck down today, Jesus probably is just another UKOK toryboy roaster:D”

      Jesus loves you Heed, it’s Rock that thinks your a c*nt 🙂

    292. Hamish100 says:

      Never really got help with this re council elections.

      Can I vote 1 & 6 leaving out the Tories altogether? How can you they benefit with a 0 vote to transfer?

    293. galamcennalath says:

      Brian Powell says:

      Poll for Daily Telegraph shows 58.7% of Scots support Scotland becoming Independent. 15th-16th March 2017…..Small sample size for Scotland.

      Saw a tweet with an image of the data table. The sample was 187 (I think). The standard sample of 1000 would give an error of 3%. That smaller sample could potentially have a larger error, however, it certainly implies over 50%.

      With Brexit and other Tory antics, it is about time YES began to shift above 50%!

    294. schrodingers cat says:

      ditto about paul

      interesting flicking through the various councils
      i could only find 2 ssp and 1 solidarity candidate, looks like they have imploded
      also, counting the number of snp candidates in each council shows just how many councils the snp cannot win outright control due to the absence of enough candidates. what is certain is that the yoons will coalese to keep the snp out. we are going to need the greens and these smaller yes supporting candidates to take control of many of these councils.

      check out east dumbartonshire???, lab are only putting up 1 candidate in each ward???

      6 years ago,in the run up to holyrood 2011, the idea of the snp breaking into the central belt was just a dream, as was an independent scotland. But thanks to the hard work by many folk, including those on wos, in 6 short years we have turned that dream into an absolute certainty, if not in my lifetime then sometime in the near future.
      I think that is something we can reflect upon and all be glad about this easter.

    295. galamcennalath says:

      Hamish100 says:

      Can I vote 1 & 6 leaving out the Tories altogether?

      If there are two Tories, you would want to put the first one you encounter (alphabetically) last (numerically), then the next second last.

      Highest on the ballot will get more Tory votes, so reversing that might, in an extremely close finish, stop a Tory.

    296. Ken500 says:

      @ there is none

      Labour/Libdem/Corbyn useless. Non entities.

      Why are the Churches not speaking out about the Tories illegal cruelty? Jesus said,’suffer the little children to come unto me’.Wealthy person – the eye of the needle. The Good Samaritan. Feeding of the bread and fishes, money leaders etc.

    297. Glamaig says:

      Flower of Scotland says:
      16 April, 2017 at 11:01 am
      I’ve been watching Euronews for a long time now and I think it’s far superior to the BBC, Sky or ITV.

      Ditto, France24 is also good. Havent found a German equivalent yet for rolling news. Their media seems to be federalised with no national news channel. There’s Deutsche Welle but I’ve never found much news on it.

    298. Ron Maclean says:

      The Union’s Easter message – from colonial times but, it seems, still relevant.

      Onward Christian Soldiers, on to heathen lands,
      Prayer books in your pockets, rifles in your hands,
      Take the glorious tidings where trade can be done,
      Spread the peaceful gospel – with the Maxim gun.

      Quoted in Piers Brendon’s “Fall of the British Empire”.

    299. Fireproofjim says:

      Religion in politics.
      Few people realise that 26 Church of England bishops have permanent seats in the House of Lords, and are therefore able to influence the laws of the UK.
      I know of no other Western democracy which allows this sort of sectarian interference in government.

    300. John H says:

      Sorry, completely o/t.

      I heard a theory put forward this morning that North Korean missile failures such as the one yesterday, might be a ruse on their part to convince the USA that N.K. missile technology is less advanced than it actually is.

      If so, the Americans could be in for a nasty shock soon.

    301. schrodingers cat says:

      With Breixit and other Tory antics, it is about time YES began to shift above 50%!

      i hate to say it, but things will need to get much worse before support for yes rises,

      the eu plan is 2 years brexit negotiations with a subsequent 3 year cushion, to lessen the blow of leaving the single market.

      if treeza storms out this september then the effects of leaving the single market will be much swifter and more brutal.

      if we are standing there holding out an indyref where a yes vote can negate, mitigate and reverse the decision to leave the single market, support for yes will begin to rise at that point.

      how quickly and how high support for yes will rise is directly linked to how brutal and quick the fallout from leaving the single market manifests itself.

    302. schrodingers cat says:


      what ward you are in?

    303. heedtracker says:

      Jockanese Wind Talker says:
      16 April, 2017 at 11:44 am
      @heedtracker says at 11:26 am

      “If I DO get struck down today, Jesus probably is just another UKOK toryboy roaster:D”

      Jesus loves you Heed, it’s Rock that thinks your a c*nt

      I am, a Scots c*nt, is there any other kind:D

      Nic Robinson’s been on a beeb gimp style PR campaign lately, to er, combat accusations, that he’s a far right nut job and should really be back the torygraph, with everyone else at the BBC, Ligger Neil not in this one, he’s getting his bi-monthly hair do colour, for Easter, what would Jesus choose? something christiany, with chocolate tints.

      Future Sir Nic Robinson OBE: “I’d say that neither of them is biased! But look, Leave was, if you like, a popular uprising against lots of people in authority.

      If the BBC has had a problem over the decades, it is that we have tended to be a tad too unchallenging of conventional wisdom. But I do resent the suggestion there is a conspiracy at the BBC to do down a particular set of opinions.

      I hear such suggestions quite a lot. I could show you tweets and emails from people on all sides saying that I am anti-SNP, anti-Jeremy Corbyn, anti-Green, anti-Leavers.

      I get this every day.

      Now, I have worked in the commercial sector — in ITV — but if people had any idea of the vast amounts of time and energy we at the BBC put into how to get the balance right, I think they would be very surprised. Does that mean it is always right? God, no.

      I think your most powerful point is that the BBC needs constantly to say: are we even asking the right questions?”

      Its a balanced debate, in the Spectator, editor Horatio Nelson, from Nairn, between Not a Nazi Nic Robinson and Charles Hilary Moore, former ed The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph and The Spectator and its a balanced debate on planet toryboy because it just is.

      I threw paragraph breaks anywhere.

    304. Hamish100 says:


      Although my question is still the same for other areas.

    305. Marie Clark says:

      The maybot’s Easter message, what an absolute steaming pile o’ keech. Which country is she referring too, coming together and uniting behind Brexit indeed.

      I know it’s Easter maybot, but bollocks, utter bollocks. I do not recognise what you speak of, and I also did not know that Jesus was a tory. My, my, you learn something new ever day, eh.

    306. scotspine says:

      OT but looking for some assistance folks.

      May Council elections and in the Fochabers and Lhanbryde ward of Moray Council we have 2 x SNP, 2 x LD, 1 x Con & 3 x Ind.

      SNP get my & my wifes 1st & 2nd votes & Con get last.

      Im trying to rank the others, but I cant find any info on one of the Independents.

      One of them is Sean Morton (suspended from Labour), who is waiting for trial on indecent images of kids (cant believe im contemplating ranking him above a Tory with that hanging over him) and another is Ian “Pedro” Taylor, questioned over and a witness in the murder of Arlene Fraser.

      The third Independent candidate is Kenneth John Gillespie. Does anyone know anything about him?

      Taking the two SNP candidates out of it (they get my 1st & 2nd votes), it really does leave a motley crew to rank!

    307. sarah says:

      @Hamish – I think that if you only record two preferences, 1 and 6, they might treat your ballot paper [after the first round] as invalid.

      This was the answer given BTL yesterday to someone else. I tend to agree [not that I know anything]. Perhaps ask Scot goes Pop?

    308. Graf Midgehunter says:

      @ Glamaig – Flow.o.Scotland

      There are no dedicated German 24 hour news channels like the Beeb World – CNN – Bloomberg etc.
      Euronews – German version – is probably the nearest but you get that in English anyway. It’s quite good for international things.

      I get via my provider, Unity Media, several news/politics/boerse channels with lots of documentaries in-between.
      All in German.

      Tagesschau24 – from 09.00 til ca. 21.00 hrs..!
      N-TV – 24hrs
      n24 – 24 hrs

      All-in-all, I get about 600 TV channels but I must admit I’m not too keen on Turkish or Mongolian TV……!!! 🙂

    309. Robert Louis says:

      You know, if the weather is good, then next weekend, I might head on up to the Glencoe ‘valley’ (according to the Sunday Times, and as pointed out by somebody else above.

      That great Scottish historical site, Glencoe ‘valley’. FFS, Sunday Times, their is stupid, and then their is effing pig ignorant.

      I blame the English education system.

    310. uno mas says:

      @ Fireproofijim 12.08

      “I know of no other Western democracy which allows this sort of sectarian interference in government.”


      The country always was,still is and always will be run by the Catholic Church.

    311. Robert Peffers says:

      @Robert Louis says: 16 April, 2017 at 7:57 am:

      ” … How stupid can Labour be??”

      Is that a rhetorical question, Robert Louis?

      ” … More fool Kezia Dugdale for playing along with Ruth Davidsons charade. Talk about getting played.”

      Is that a rhetorical answer, Robert Louis?

      The whole political debate has become like something out of Walt Disney’s Phantasia :-

      This clip with the wee Unicorns springs to mind.

      I’m still laughing at Theresa’s Easter message and the BBC report of her claiming, “a sense of people coming together”, following the UK’s vote to “leave the EU”

      The daft bat is claimed by the BBC to have said, “Opportunities would arise from Brexit”, and she emphasised the UK’s “Shared ambitions and above all shared values”.

      Does this phantasist not see the obvious fact that the UK she leads is not all Britain and thus the term, “Brexit”, is a total misnomer?

      Even if both kingdoms of the United Kingdom were to leave the EU there are another four, independent from Westminster, legislatures in Britain.

      Ergo Britain will not be leaving the European Union. For a starter the Three Crown Dependencies are not in the EU so cannot very well leave it.

    312. CameronB Brodie says:

      See all these Westmidden Yoons banging on about their Christian morality. What a load of cobblers. British nationalism depends on the strict application of metta-ethical moral relativism. How else can English racism define Scotland’s position in the world (Brexit).

      Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development

      Our shared principles and commitments

      10. The new Agenda is guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, including full respect for international law. It is grounded in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, international human rights treaties, the Millennium Declaration and the 2005 World Summit Outcome Document. It is informed by other instruments such as the Declaration on the Right to Development.

      “The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

      “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

    313. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Against my better judgement I read Euan McColm’s latest piece in the Hootsman. I then made the mistake of reading the first page of btl comments.

      When we are independent, I worry about these people who commented. I fear, the first thing Reichsfuhrer Sturgeon will do is send her tartan-shirted SS 9Scottish Security) men into Hootsman towers, to gather the email addresses of these Ultra Unionists who write so passionately to their favourite North British paper.

      I fear for them, sentenced to re-education in concentration camps on St Kilda, where they will be fed a daily diet of Proclaimers, Corries and Sydney Devine music, forced to learn Scottish Country Dancing, eat a diet of Atholl brose, haggis, deep-fried Mars bars and drinking nothing but Irn-Bru and Buckfast, to turn them into true Scots.

      They will have to wear Scotland replica tops and badly-sized kilts and be forced to listen to lengthy political lectures from Mhairi Black, Tommy Sheridan and the Dear Leader.

      We really must vote Tory to prevent this fate from befalling our oppressed minority of true-blue Yoons.

    314. Glamaig says:

      @Graf 1.04pm

      thanks for that – Tagesschau24 looks to be just what I want but sadly its aus rechtlichen Grunden leider nicht zur Vefugung 🙁

    315. K1 says:

      Looking for advice or any info on a Gerry Creechan and Gordon Keane, tow independents standing in anderston/city/yorkhill ward?

      Have found this re Creechan fella so far:

      Should we rank any ‘who the fuck are they’s’ below amber and red but above the last blue Tory as a rule of thumb?

    316. Robert Peffers says:

      Flower of Scotland says: 16 April, 2017 at 11:01 am:

      “I’ve been watching Euronews for a long time now and I think it’s far superior to the BBC, Sky or ITV.”

      By the way, Flower of Scotland, if you have a, “Smart”, TV that is connected to your internet router, (either by wire or wireless), you can get Euronews, (and lots more), on the smart TV.

      What is more you can stream Euronews on your computer.
      Just Google Euronews live and follow any of the many links.

      Sorry but I cannot recommend any particular links on the nte as I get Euronews, and other non UK news sites, on my smart TVs.

    317. K1 says:

      Just shy of 18,000 signatures now folks…

      Scrap the R Clause and family cap…keep tweeting this petition and posting on FB if ye have an account…it’s gaining momentum…

    318. K.A.Mylchreest says:

      Excellent image,worth as they a thousand words 🙂

      Surely the Tories have now reached rock bottom? How low can a ‘mainstream’ UK party go?

    319. K1 says:

      That’s a great tool for quick and easy look at your candidate lists for all wards in Scotland cat…can’t post this often enough on the lead up! Well done Democracy Club!

    320. Robert Peffers says:

      @ronnie anderson says: 16 April, 2017 at 11:20 am:

      “Thanks for that post at 11.01 I was enquiring from Thepnr last night about Paula Rose standing for the council elections in Brechin & Edzell , the mannies put in a lot of work Im glad to see he’s still on the ballot paper.”

      Hi, Ronnie, The link below to a Courier article might still be open for comments if any Wingers want to offer Paul their support.


    321. Robert Peffers says:

      @Macart says: 16 April, 2017 at 11:22 am:

      “Yeah, clocked the PM’s Easter message and basicially disingenuous and patronizing spring to mind.
      To be perfectly clear, I see no coming together over Brexit. I see no unity of mind or purpose in society and on a strictly personal note, I want no part of Ms May’s idea of ‘shared’ values.”

      Indeed, Macart. I would personally add that her, and her government’s values, are entirely diagrammatically opposite to those of my own, and the party I support.

    322. K1 says:

      Can’t find that article from that link Robert…anyone able tae find it?

    323. Robert Peffers says:

      @gus1940 says: 16 April, 2017 at 11:37 am:

      “BBC Scotland”?

      As Frank Sinatra once famously said, (as a put down of another well known Crooner), (Bing Crosby)):-

      “WHO HE?”

    324. Jack Murphy says:

      Ruth Davidson MSP and David Mundell MP.

      LEST WE FORGET….As a member of the Tory Cabinet Mr David Mundell voted in the Commons FOR the 3rd Child Rape Clause!

      Here he writes and grins with Ruth Davidson on the 10th of April:- “Great to welcome @RuthDavidsonMSP to Langholm today to support @ScotTories Council candidates in Dumfries & Galloway”
      photographed with a banner declaring:-
      “No 2nd Referendum”

      when he knew EXACTLY what was about to happen to mothers in Scotland!

      Is there no shame to these Tories?
      I know exactly what I would write on my banner!

    325. K1 says:

      I’m thanking you on this thread too yesindyref2 re Gordon Keane, independent candidate for anderston/city/yorkhill:

      yesindyref2 says:
      16 April, 2017 at 2:00 pm
      Pretty good chance he’s the Gordon Keane who posts very pro-Indy on the Herald. It looks like he’s standing as an independent candidate from this comment 3 days ago on the Herald:

      “Not beast pleased at this. Either they have left (?) the Labour Party, and are actual Independents, or they are still in the Labour Party, but pretending not to be. Which is it?

      My main complaint, is for all those genuine Independents. who are standing for election… I don’t want folks to think we are all wannabe Labourites…. At least one of us, is trying to undo Labour!! “

      Thinking of placing directly under the SNP before Green’s now? Anyway forgot to say on previous thread that I knew his name was familiar but could find nothing in searches, it’s because I’ve seen him posting btl on herald articles right enough? Has he no other outlets for info regarding his candidacy?

    326. Dr Jim says:

      Catholicism in Spain bears no relation to Catholicism here
      In Spain it just is, and not a tool or a weapon, more like a loaf of bread and nobody’s that bothered about it because it has little to do with everyday life except they enjoy lots of saints day holidays so what’s to question

    327. Flower of Scotland says:

      Robert Peffers@1.49pm

      I do have a big smart TV in the sitting room but have other tellies in other rooms set up to receive sky box channels. I also have an Amazon fire stick and pay for Amazon Prime and Netflix, and a free-sat box.

      I’ve got most things covered. He,he!

      Those that can’t afford it can buy an old sky box and get many other news programmes from around the world.

      We won’t miss out Robert!

    328. K1 says:

      Can someone post the Wings article wi the readership stats, the one where Wings is 4th behind the big three, please. Thank you in advance, need tae show someone were we are really at in the fight for hearts and minds in Scotland!

    329. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Dr Jim [ except they enjoy lots of saints day holidays ] Aye they certainly do I thought I had landed in the middle of Iraq , aw bloody night Boom Boom Boom an when you think its all over it starts again at 10am. San Sebastian never came intae the world wie aw that bloody noise , nor left it, anybudy would think he wiz the person that invented gunpowder.

    330. ronnie anderson says:

      Thanks Robert P & Others Paula Rose will be heartened to know he has our support, hopefully I can manage to get up to Brechin before election day.

    331. louis.b.argyll says:

      Robert P, you say May’s speech was

      That’s putting it mildly..

      Masking evil intention, would be more like it.

    332. Stoker says:


      The article is titled; “With our shield, or on it” and it was posted on 3rd April 2017.

      I’m out of circulation again and unable to post links etc until further notice.

      Hope that helps!

    333. Robert Peffers says:

      @K1 says: 16 April, 2017 at 3:04 pm:

      “Can someone post the Wings article wi the readership stats, the one where Wings is 4th behind the big three, please. Thank you in advance, need tae show someone were we are really at in the fight for hearts and minds in Scotland!”

      Hi, K1, Stoker has given you the name of the item but your easy way to get it is to go to the top right of this page.
      There is a column there of. “Recent Posts”.

      You can click on the article title and it takes you to the article. Then copy & paste it into your text editor and save it or print it out.

    334. Scott Shaw says:

      K1, you need to take the paul@ from the beginning.

    335. schrodingers cat says:

      hamish 100

      ardrossan and aran ward

      1 Ellen McMaster SNP
      2 Tony Gurney SNP
      3 Colin Turbett SSP
      4 Cllr John Hunter independent
      5 Clare McGuire lab
      6 Gordon Allison former cllr, Indy staunch unionist no referendum pro brexit
      7 Timothy Billings TORY

      ellen is fighting agains timothy to be arrans councillor
      john hunter is quiet about indyref2 but the rest are pro union
      putting timmy last gives ellen a better chance of winning

    336. galamcennalath says:

      Excellent Easter tweet by ?GAPonsonby.

      Pontious Pilate sentenced Jesus to death but said those he ruled could mitigate if they wished, and thus washed his hands of responsibility.

      History has shown it isn’t so easy to absolve yourself of responsibility!

    337. izzie says:

      SOCRATES For your own health and well being avoid the Hootsman. I remember the days when the comments had lively but mostly reasoned debate. I recall ‘the Spook from Leith’ and ‘Wee folding Bike’ I dont know when it went from banter to vitriol but its not a nice place you simply cant reason with hate filled fanatics

    338. crazycat says:

      @ Hamish100

      I did respond to you yesterday – though not by name because several people had asked the same question.

      To confirm what Sarah said above, I’ve just looked at the Electoral Commission guidelines
      These are for East Renfrewshire but I assume they are universally applicable.

      On page 33 there is this:

      Voters will rank candidates in their order
      of preference using numbers
      (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc).
      • Voters can rank as many or as few
      candidates as they wish.
      The same number cannot be used twice
      and there should not be a break in the

      My bold.

      Page 39 has a nice wee diagram of the counting process.

    339. galamcennalath says:

      izzie says:

      …the days when the comments had lively but mostly reasoned debate … I dont know when it went from banter to vitriol …

      Possibly around the time Yoon certainty of winning began to evaporate? 🙂

      You are right about health and toxic comments. Best avoided!

    340. Dorothy Devine says:

      OT Anyone know anything about the SDL and Anti fascist demo in Wishaw?

      The last time I saw the group described as the SDL demonstrating in Alloa , I was surprised to hear so many non Scots voices.

      False flags?

    341. Lenny Hartley says:

      schrodingers Cat Hamish 100 Ardrossan and Arran ward North Ayrshire
      Three of the candidates are from Arran, Ellen for Snp , Colin for the socialists but not Ssp anymore As listed as Independent Socialist Scotland and the Tory who I neither or want to know.
      If you are in Ardrossan I think the preference will be Tony first Ellen second. On Arran snp are saying 1 Ellen 2 Tony check out what your snp leaflets for ardrossan is saying regarding the ranking of the snp candidates. So I think the ranking if your in Ardrossan would be this, Fiona L if your lurking and I’m talking pish let me know
      1. Tony Gurney Snp
      2. Ellen McMaster Snp
      3 Colin Turbett
      4 John Hunter
      5 Claire Mcquire
      6 Gordon Allison
      7 Timothy Billings

      Three councillors to be elected.

    342. Lenny Hartley says:

      Oh and I forgot to sat that I don’t think Arran gets a guaranteeded Counciller anymore, it’s the first three whereever the come from. (I fink)

    343. Iain More says:


      You have my sympathies. I thought it was a gruesome choice in Heldon & Laich but you have it much worse. I cant believe that Sean Morton the rabid Yoon klaxon has the brass neck to stand again considering what he has hanging over him.

      I think most folk here would be tolerant if you ranked Sean Morton behind the Tories all things considered. Or didn’t rank him at all.

    344. CameronB Brodie says:

      Hope this doesn’t appear self-absorbed but I think I should acknowledge that England’s vote to Brexit wasn’t entirely ‘racially’ motivated. I think it would be safer to say that a sense of ‘British’ exceptionalism was a significant factor. Whatever, we still don’t get a say in the matter, apparently.

    345. crazycat says:

      @ Lenny Hartley

      To have a guaranteed councillor for Arran, it would have to be in a ward all by itself, which it isn’t. The wards were enlarged when STV replaced FPTP in 2012, losing that local connection.

      So you’re right.

    346. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry, me again. Correction of a correction. We had our say and the nation was told to eat our cereal, were British. That’s ideological nationalism attempting to supplant two historic nations, that is. Such is life living under a set of arbitrary and ill-defined ‘One Nation’ human rights, as in Britain.

    347. K1 says:

      Thanks Stoker, I thought it was that! Think I skimmed recent articles too fast. Thanks Robert…and thanks Scott Shaw for the assistance in removing the @! 🙂

    348. Rock says:


      “Peace and Love to you All”

      In my humble opinion, the black arts department of the British Establishment will never let Scotland become independent peacefully and democratically.

      Is there a single person in Scotland who can put their money where their mouth is and lead a Ghandi style campaign for independence?

      I don’t think so.

      Unless Smallaxe is poitioning himself for the role.

      “Peace and Love”.

    349. yesindyref2 says:

      That reminds me, rock and chips used to be popular in parts of London. Bit of vinegar and salt of course.

      On the same subject, just had our turkey dinner, delicious!

    350. carjamtic says:

      Friend or Foe
      (c. 1887)

      A woman condemned to lifelong imprisonment had escaped from her confinement and was seeking safety in headlong flight. Her pursuers were close at her heels. She was running with all her might, and the distance between her and them was becoming steadily greater.

      Suddenly she sees before her a stream with precipitous banks, a narrow but deep torrent . . . and she cannot swim.
      But the stream is bridged by a thin plank, half-rotten with age. The fugitive has already one foot upon it. And there, by chance, stands her dearest friend and her bitterest foe.
      The enemy uttered no sound, and merely folded her arms.

      The friend, on the contrary, cried out at the top of her voice:
      “For God’s sake, consider, foolhardy woman, what you are doing! Do you not see that the plank is quite rotten? It will give way under your weight, and you will inevitably be lost.”

      “But there is no other way,” groaned the despairing fugitive, “and my pursuers–listen, they are close at hand.” And she stepped forward to cross the plank.

      “I cannot permit it. No, I cannot allow you thus to step to your destruction,” cried the zealous friend, and even from beneath the feet of the fugitive she tore the plank away.
      The fugitive, in despair, plunged into the rushing torrent.
      The foe smiled with a bitter satisfaction, and passed on her way. But the friend sat down sadly by the bank, and bewailed the loss of her dearest friend. It never entered her head for a moment to consider her self to blame for the death.

      “She would not heed me; she would not heed me,” she cried in her great sorrow.
      “After all,” she presently thought, “she must have passed her whole life in a horrible dungeon. At least she is delivered from all her troubles. She is now better off, and it is clear that an all-wise providence had so intended it. And yet, from a merely human point of view, what a pity it is.”

      And so the pious soul continued, weeping hot tears over her unfortunate friend.

    351. Phronesis says:

      ‘Early childhood education and care (ECEC) can bring a wide range of benefits – for children, parents and society at large. But the magnitude of the benefits is conditional on “quality”…

      A growing body of research recognises that early childhood education and care (ECEC) brings a wide range of benefits, for example, better child well-being and learning outcomes as a foundation for lifelong learning; more equitable child outcomes and reduction of poverty; increased intergenerational social mobility; more female labour market participation; increased fertility rates; and better social and economic development for the society at large.’ ‘Starting Strong’ OECD, 2012.

      Support for children and families in the early years is an investment in human capital that benefits us all. It is not the Conservative way however with their grandiose ideas of freeing the market and reducing the role of the state within a model of trickle- down economics.Structural adjustments that deliberately push more children and families into poverty,according to Conservative logic, signal sound government.

      The WM regime do seem rather perplexed about the concept of economic return of investment in breaking the intergenerational transfer of poverty. Perhaps the electorate should insist for the purpose of clarity that every policy debated at WM has a universal children rights based agenda which would ensure that the ‘rape clause’ and the conscious political choice to deconstruct the investment in human capital and decades of development of a progressive child rights agenda is stopped.

      What is the economic return on Trident and selling weapons to brutal regimes for example compared to ensuring a good start for all children. Is the Easter message that WM widen the inequality gap, create a low wage economy with no state infrastructure to support those in need, abandon those who struggle with their disabilities, destroy the fabric of society by discouraging solidarity and place power and influence in the hands of the few who have lost sight of their humanity? Is that the message from a newly fashioned Alt-Christianity?

    352. Valerie says:

      A good, objective, academic piece for those interested in some fine detail on trade.

      Short story, as you know, a total nightmare.

    353. Cactus says:

      Countdown clock:
      17 days anna bit remaining..

      Seasons greetings.

    354. scotspine says:

      @Ian More

      Cheers for the words of sympathy. Im truly torn. I want the Tories denied any power, but “Labour” boy Morton is simply odious.

    355. galamcennalath says:

      Valerie says:

      A good, objective, academic piece for those interested in some fine detail on trade.

      Thanks for highlighting that.

      What I took out of it is … there will be huge effort for the post Brexit UK to get back to anywhere near where it currently is regarding free trade. It will take years and even that assumes the government and civil service will actually have the human resources to achieve it at all.

      My worry would be that UK, or rUK, or England & Wales, runs the risk of hastily agreed trade deals with the US and India which turn out to be disadvantageous on a wider perspective, like healthcare.

      Although Scotland will have the opportunity to bale out, it isn’t in our interests to have our only land border with a failing state!

    356. CameronB Brodie says:

      Hope they’ve taken account of potential of potential trade with Liechtenstein. 😉

    357. CameronB Brodie says:

      Nuts, that’s actually a fluffed one-liner. Should have read “the potential of potential…”.

    358. galamcennalath says:

      carjamtic says:

      …what a pity it is.

      The Victorians had the ability to take a miserable, hopeless and tragic situation which ends in disaster, and still but a positive spin on the outcome!

      A bit like the Tories and Brexit, I suppose. 😉

    359. mike d says:

      May the 4th. My birthday, only one pressie i want.c’monn Scotland,just do it.

    360. CameronB Brodie says:

      Things started moving for earnest in 1976 but it’s been going in this direction for centuries. That historical essy I posted a while back covered the birth, death and re-birth of Britain’s liberal economy. IMF bailout gave the City spivs the opportunity to make a killing of the privatization of welfare (not BENEFITS). The ‘nation’ has been moving away from social justice and equity ever since. Neo-liberalism has subsequently been entrenched and expanded by Mayor, Blair and Blown, so we are all happy British red, white and blue Tories now.

      God save the Queen.

      Neoliberalism, Governmentality, and Ethics

      An Ethical Analysis of Neoliberal Capitalism: Alternative Perspectives from Development Ethics

      And one specially for David Torrance. Wank and I mean that most sincerely folks.

      Neoliberalism and Psychological Ethics

      This article draws attention to the relationship between neoliberalism and psychology. Features of this relationship can be seen with reference to recent studies linking psychology to neoliberalism through the constitution of a kind of subjectivity susceptible to neoliberal governmentality. Three examples are presented that reveal the ways in which psychologists are implicated in the neoliberal agenda: psychologists’ conception and treatment of social anxiety disorder, positive psychology, and educational psychology. It is hoped that presenting and discussing these cases broadens the context of consideration in which psychological ethics might be examined and more richly informed. It is concluded that only by interrogating neoliberalism, psychologists’ relationship to it, how it affects what persons are and might become, and whether it is
      good for human well-being can we understand the ethics of psychological disciplinary and professional practices in the context of a neoliberal political order and if we are living up to our social responsibility.

    361. CameronB Brodie says:

      For folk who don’t click links, this is from FAN-BOY’s, published in the Journal of Theoretical and Philosophical Psychology, 2015, Vol. 35, No. 2, 103–116.

      Neoliberalism is reformulating personhood, psychological life, moral and ethical responsibility, and what it means to have selfhood and identity. Neoliberalism is now, and should be, of great concern.

    362. cearc says:


      I wonder how much of the 8% to BRICS countries is whisky and salmon to China?

    363. heedtracker says:

      Neoliberalism is reformulating personhood, psychological life, moral and ethical responsibility, and what it means to have selfhood and identity. Neoliberalism is now, and should be, of great concern.

      Back in the day CameronB, they called it monetarism. London and south east have always been rich but monetarism has made these regions rich beyond avarice. There is some trickle down. Crazy house prices have allowed the working and middle classes from London and south east to fan across England and the whole planet really.

      Red tories like Crash Gordo fuelled Thatcherite monetarism even more but after the City effectively destroyed the world’s economy and when it looked any rational UK gov might have to start drawing back even little of the riches they’d been dispensing, poor Crash Gordo’s New Labour was gone.

      So now today, our red and blue tory chums in the south wrap themselves in giant union jacks and hug on to Jesus, our saviour. Who knows, maybe He really is the saviour, of the UK and May’s tory brand of Brexit monetarism too.


      “Monetarism is an economic theory that focuses on the macroeconomic effects of the supply of money and central banking. Formulated by Milton Friedman, it argues that excessive expansion of the money supply is inherently inflationary, and that monetary authorities should focus solely on maintaining price stability.”

      Ever wonder why house prices are not included in any Treasury inflation index? Its not by chance.

    364. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lenny Hartley –

      Colin T standing as Independent?

      Has he left the SSP?

    365. Breeks says:

      Politics be damned.

      I’ll vote for ANYBODY who stops the pond life at Scottish Borders Council closing the fkn A7 whenever it suits them because they cannot work traffic lights and do the roadworks one lane at a time like every sensible road maintenance contractor in the developed world.

    366. CameronB Brodie says:

      Wicked, frankly.

    367. Gary45% says:

      Cracking cartoon Chris, Who is the bloke with the gun??? I hope its not Rape Clause as you have made her too pretty.

    368. Lenny Hartley says:

      Ian B re Colin T, don’t know if he has left the SSP according to NA website he is standing as “Independent Socialist Scotland” was speaking to him the other week,nut we were only talking motorbikes. Somebody else mentioned they ain’t seen any SSP candidates maybe standing under different banner for reasons only known to themselves!

    369. galamcennalath says:

      @CameronB Brodie

      Wicked, frankly.

      IMO, any economic model which increases inequality is a failure.

      IScotland should be focusing on growing the economy and rolling back inequality. Let’s get ourselves into the right portion of the above graph, which incidentally is on the left. 🙂

    370. Robert Peffers says:

      Seeing as things are a bit quite in here tonight a though I might show just how Westminster shouts down an jeers our Scottish MPs.

      Any one of them, with three notenable exceptions, are head and shoulders above the Westminster rabble.

      Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you – Pete Wishart.

    371. heedtracker says:

      CameronB Brodie says:
      16 April, 2017 at 10:16 pm
      Wicked, frankly.

      If you live like a lotto winner x a million? Mayhem’s husband’s cash mountain alone is probably impossible to know.

      They have threats to their staggering wealth though, us. If they lose control of Scotland and PR works here, England’s going to want the same.

      I get hard core tories in Scotland but the SLab crew are difficult to work out. Not ferocious hypocrites like Lord Flipper, but the canvassers or dudes like

      Scott Arthur Retweeted
      Sir Brian Sparrow? @BrianSpanner1 Apr 15
      It should be noted that Pete explicitly denied any interference at the time.

      Nice of him to fess up. He’s sooooo stupid.

      How do you debate with unionists like Dr NO, who boast about their glorious achievements in Scottish academia, that they got completely free, yet today want to charge Scots students the same as the English?

      Or, anything is worth it, for their farce union.

    372. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lenny Hartley –

      Cheers mister.

      I admire Colin hugely. He’s the real deal. Tireless. But if he’s no longer in the SSP? That’s serious and doesn’t bode well for the Scottish Left generally.

      I’ll be in Arran next Sunday for the 10k race (i.e. as a spectator!) I’ll be with family, but if you fancy meeting up for a swift one in that Brodick pub, forget the name, please gie’s a shout. Hoots mon.


    373. Tackety Beets says:

      Mike Russel doing a great job on BBC Parliament right now.

      Showing some Yoon MPs lack of knowledge on Brexit

      Well done Mr Russel

    374. Robert Peffers says:

      For those still awake I dug out this clip from my archives.

      It’s old but see how many obviously wrong claims you can spot and listen for the fears that can be detected in the voices:-

    375. Meg merrilees says:

      I know there has been quite a discussion about this in the last few days but I just wanted to add my tuppence worth.

      Was discussing the council elections with nieces and nephews today – (all still resolutely pro-indy and strongly anti the Ruth clause) and we got on to discussing the STV system.
      Didn’t really feel confident enough explaining how the count works…

      So… I’ve just read through the Wiki explanation of how the count takes effect and this is the important bit to really get your head round:

      Allowing voters to rank only as many candidates as they wish grants them greater freedom, but can also lead to some voters ranking so few candidates that their vote eventually becomes “exhausted”–that is, at a certain point during the count, it can no longer be transferred and therefore loses an opportunity to influence the result.

      It really is a case of ‘vote till you boak’ the more preferences you express, the more times your vote can be transferred and the harder it works for you to elect or reject a candidate.

      Not long to go now…

    376. Arbroath1320 says:

      Until I can find a better thread to post this on I’ll just leave this here.

      So now we have the BLUE Tories counting the postal votes, which reminds me must tweet wee Ruthie to enquire how the count is going. 😀

      Now we have Labour “offering” to fill in the voting forms for the elderly on their “behalf.” Their “behalf” being Labour’s behalf … obviously!

    377. Robert Peffers says:

      Finally, before I go to bed a wee bit earlier than usual, here’s the clip where the Speaker cut off Joanne Cherry from getting to speak and had already prevented the SNP from getting to speak until the vey end of a very late night sitting.

      Westminster’s contempt for Scotland’s Members should be the kind of thing STV, and even BBC Scotland, should be showing the Scottish Viewers.

      Mind you, going by the more rabid Yoons I’ve met, they would probably be writing to the broadcasters to complain they weren’t showing enough of how our MPs should be treated.

    378. Lenny Hartley says:

      Ian B I’m thinking that the SSP are just using the “Independent Socialist Scotland” moniker as a way to ensure that voters know where they stand on the constitution.
      Unfortunately will be down in darkest Yorkshire at Scarborough next weekend. (bike Racing )

    379. Hamish100 says:

      crazycat, Lenny Hartley,schrodingers
      Thanks for the info- snp 1 & 2 plus an indy. Won’t vote for anyone else though.

    380. CameronB Brodie says:

      My theory is the activists have bought the myth that English socialism (socialism as voted for predominantly by English voters and with a predominantly English membership of the formerly socialist party British Labour), suites Scotland’s needs. They are looking at things politically and are most probably unaware of the bigger picture. Also, British nationalism and socialism in Britain have always been sold as natural partners. That’s how it was planned by both Tory and Labour, from New England and the early Fabian, right through to today. Talk about stitch-ups.

      Btw, GRAPH-BOY describes the McCrowne Report as “one man’s view”, i.e. Professor Gavin McCrone. He appears to have completely missed the point and probably thinks ethics is next to Sussex. He seem to think the our displeasure over the British state’s continued denial of inalienable human rights, is “bearing a grudge”. What a FUD.

    381. Still Positive says:

      Robert Peffers & Arbroath 1320.

      Thanks for the links. Good to remind ourselves in how much contempt we are treated.

      And also how good our SNP MPs are and how hard they work on our behalf.

    382. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lenny Hartley –

      Ach, bummer…

      Still, if you’re away and I’m there, that means the number of Wingers on the island will not fluctuate.

      Have a guid yin!

    383. Lenny Hartley says:

      Hamish 100 the whole point of vote until you boak is by using all your preferences you can stop the tories getting a seat.

    384. Lenny Hartley says:

      Ian B going by the number of readers WOS has there will probably be thousands on Arran every weekend 🙂
      Have a good one and it’s probably the Ormidale you were thinking about. If I had not spent most of my life there I would be a very rich man 🙂

    385. CameronB Brodie says:

      galamcennalath @10:47
      Sorry, I forgot to say shocking and I totally agree. The thing is, neoliberalism both demands and produces inequality. As a result, it provides no hope of delivering social justice or advancing the interests of an open society. Still, David Torrance will be back on the BBC in the not too distant future, I imagine. 😉

    386. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lenny H –

      The Ormidale!

      That’s the one.

      It’s my wee brother’s wife who’s running in the race (she’s from Manchester) but he has very fond memories of that pub from his youth (used to camp with his buddies down at the shore) and is dead keen for us all to enjoy it.

      Looking forward to it a lot. I hope the place has a decent pool table – if it doesn’t, is there anywhere nearby that does? (Pool/snooker is very important in any Brotherhood-related social engagements au moment.)


    387. Still Positive says:

      Ian B. Enjoy your trip to Arran next weekend and I look forward to your crossword in The National tomorrow.

      Jings not seen the front page yet.

    388. Glesca Keelie says:

      @Lenny Hartley –
      Ian Brotherhood.

      We, Ward 14 Glasgow, have an SSPer standing. A Joe Meehan. Lives in Drumchapel.

    389. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Glesca Keelie –


      Cool handle you’ve got there.

      I assume you’ll know this site –

    390. CameronB Brodie says:

      I should also have pointed out that Chatham House (formerly known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs), is sister think tank to the New York Council on Foreign Relations and is highly thought of by their “Foreign Policy” magazine. ‘Fabian friendly’ so BLiS___d must be outliers?

    391. K1 says:

      James Kelly of Scotgoespop wrote an excellent piece in the National just the other day about the ‘power’ ye have in yer hands by ranking all the candidates on the ballot paper.

      It cannot be emphasised enough ye must fill yer ballot. The Tories are doing the exact same thing and advising all their voters to reverse what we are doing. Do you think they are sweating over whether to place SNP at the bottom of their ballots?

      Naw, so called ex Labour are boasting on twitter that they’ve somehow been ‘forced’ by the SNP running the Scottish government, to become Tory voters!

      Fucksake just fill up the damn ballot paper and let everyone you know ‘why’ we are doing this. By not placing a preference on the ballot paper you are potentially allowing Tories and Labour a free pass at gaining councillors!

      Here’s a couple excerpts from the article James Kelly:

      ‘It may be helpful to reflect upon the name of the system at this point. STV gives you a “single” vote, which in the first instance is your first preference vote. When the votes are initially counted on election night, only the first preferences will be taken into consideration. In some wards, that will be the end of the story, because all of the available seats will be filled on the basis of the first preferences.

      However, just in case that doesn’t happen, your vote is also “transferable”. This means your lower preferences are not (as many people wrongly assume) additional or multiple votes – they merely represent your instructions as to how your single vote should be used if your first choice candidate no longer needs it, either because they have already been safely elected, or because they have been eliminated to break the deadlock.’


      ‘In theory, this transfer of votes should ensure that less than a quarter of votes will be wasted in every three-seat ward, and that less than a fifth of votes will be wasted in every four-seat ward. However, that will only be the case if every voter uses their full range of preferences.

      *If they don’t, there will be circumstances in which a ward’s final seat will be awarded by default to a candidate who has not reached the “quota” (the target number of votes at which any candidate is automatically deemed to be elected). The bigger the gap between the quota and the actual amount of votes received by the final winning candidate, the greater the number of voters who have missed a golden opportunity to influence the outcome on the final seat, because they failed to use enough of their lower preferences.’

      And again ‘why’ it’s important to literally rank all candidates in order of ‘preference’:

      ‘So STV offers each voter considerable power, but it doesn’t force them to wield it. If they use all (or all but one) of their preferences, they wield all of the power available to them. If they use only some of their preferences, they squander some of that power, and leave other voters with a disproportionate influence on the final allocation of seats. This becomes a particular problem if certain categories of voters prove more likely than others to use all of their preferences.’

      And finally, this is what we are up against:

      ‘AND there we arrive at the reason for fearing that the pro-independence movement may be sleepwalking into a minor crisis at the local elections.

      More than any other party, the Conservatives appear to have grasped the vital importance of advising their supporters to use most of their preferences. Tory election literature urges voters to rank the Conservative candidates highest, and then use the remaining preferences to rank all non-SNP candidates higher than all SNP candidates.

      Senior Tories have plainly understood that STV uniquely affords them the ability to pursue two separate objectives simultaneously – to maximise the number of Tory councillors, and to minimise the number of SNP councillors. There is no risk attached to chasing both goals, because a Tory supporter’s fourth preference for the LibDems, or sixth preference for Labour, cannot and will not be taken into account unless it gets to the point where all the Tory candidates have been elected or eliminated.’

      If we, with the larger numbers of SNP support in Scotland cant grasp this simple concept ah genuinely feel what is the point? We could and should be able to prevent Tories getting into our councils by simply ranking all our candidates. The whole point isn’t about ‘voting’ for a Tory by placing them on the ballot, it’s the exact opposite, it’s putting them at the bottom of the pile.

      James makes this point…pointedly:

      ‘If anything, the opportunity open to the SNP is even greater. By urging their voters to use the full range of preferences, they could maximise their own number of councillors, and also the overall number of pro-independence councillors. They could minimise the number of Unionist councillors in general, and of Tory councillors in particular. But unfortunately they seem to be stuck in a mindset that is more appropriate for other electoral systems, and are declining to offer much advice beyond “vote SNP”.’

      And so as the grass roots independence movement it is entirely up to us to get this rammed home to every Yes supporter out there…hammer it home or we are going to provide May the 5th’s headlines ‘SNP lose over all control of many councils across Scotland as Tory vote rises in response to feared referendum’? Cause that’s exactly how that propangda will fly!

      We have it within our power to inform and educate about how this voting system works. People like the Rev, Wee Ginger Dug and James Kelly are mainstream in the independence movement and are backing this entire ‘vote till ye vote’ and yet we have posters on this thread still stating they will just put 3 candidates on the ballot?

      Please read James’s article in the National and maybe this will help you understand the reasons why to ‘vote till ye boak’, because if you support Scotland’s journey and want us to become an independent country it behoves you to understand that this is a crucial election we are about to have on this road we are on.

      We must maintain momentum…we have the power in our hands on 4th May, even if the turnout is low, we can make a big impact by reducing the Blue and Red Tories by ranking every candidate on the ballot paper.

      * My bold, throughout.

    392. Robert Peffers says:

      @Lenny Hartley says: 16 April, 2017 at 10:41 pm:

      ” … Somebody else mentioned they ain’t seen any SSP candidates maybe standing under different banner for reasons only known to themselves!”

      Yeah! You are correct and it is only themselves who would understand their, (cough!), reasoning anyway. Which reasoning has always been hard to fathom.

    393. Robert Louis says:

      It really is a case of vote til you boak.

      Rank every candidate on your ballot paper, in order of preference. So, if their are 8 on you ballot paper, you rank them 1 to 8, but you MUST rank them all, no matter which party they are from (if you want your favourites to have the best chance of election).

      It’s a bit like a trashy TV competition show, where people come 1st, 2nd or third, or fourth and so on.

      I don’t think their is much point in trying to explain WHY the council elections work this way, or HOW the actual system works, it’s merely a case of saying rank all the candidates in order of popularity, just like you would rank anything in order of popularity.

      Not sure why people think that is difficult or complicated, because when you think about it, it really, really isn’t.

    394. Brian McHugh says:

      Well said Robert.

    395. Ken500 says:

      The problem is ranking unionist candidates when they are all as bad as each other.

      Ie Willly Young etc who had Green support to ruin the Local economy. It was a Labour/Unionist who has wasted public money. Got the City into £Billion of debt and cut essential services. Right emough there are not many Tories. So maybe the ranking will still get rid of the corrupt Labour/Unionists. Prison might be better. Rennie etc is just pathetic. The Greens are two faced liars, who colluded with Unionist at every opportunity. Trying to damage the SNP and the economy. Vote until yer boak. Millions of voters do not know to do that. FPTP is much easier and decisive. The majority candidate wins. It gets rid of the regurgitated loss. Beware the Independents in some cases. Och well.

      Not long now. Until IndyRef2. To give the Westminster ‘psycho bastards’ their jotters.

    396. galamcennalath says:

      I posted a link to this graph last night …

      … thinking further about it, the mission of the current Tory government and the Brexiteers to shift the UK up to the top right corner.

      Indy folks, of course, want the opposite and aspire to shift Scotland down to the bottom left.

    397. Breeks says:

      Posted this before, and after Theresa May’s Easter message that she’s doing Gods work, I thought it worth posting again with a bigger tick for No 8.

      Ask yourself whether you recognise such things happening in the U.K. 2017…

      The 14 Defining
      Characteristics Of Fascism
      Free Inquiry
      Spring 2003

      Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

      1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

      2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

      3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

      4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

      5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

      6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

      7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

      8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

      9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

      10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

      11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

      12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

      13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

      14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

      Now remember Scotland, statistically, authoritarian fascist dictatorships are very rare and unlikely to happen to you. Sleep well and don’t have nightmares…

    398. Ken500 says:

      The US has been sanctioning and starving North Korea for over fifty years. China has to help them out.

      Turkey the young folk will win out eventually.

    399. Dorothy Devine says:

      If one knows an action is dishonest or fraudulent ,as in filling out the ballot paper of another to benefit your party or opening postal votes before the count or lying about an opponent either in print or in broadcast , is there any point at which one feels shame ,or regard the action as cheating or in any way reprehensible?

      And if one has enough of a conscience would one take action ,particularly if it threatened your livelihood?

      I am thinking of those actively employed in politics and the media.

    400. Ken500 says:

      Westminster unionists stitch up the elections in Scotland. Change FPTP in Scotland but keep FPTP in the rest of the UK. ‘Psycho bastards’.

    401. Breeks says:

      I was also visiting relatives at Easter, and exposed to more BBC than I’m accustomed to.

      I was quite flabbergasted by the fawning reports of Turkey’s referendum where the Country’s secular Parliament is now to be stripped of its power, and sweeping powers given to the President.

      Ezra Özyürek, an associate professor and chair for contemporary Turkish studies at the London School of Economics’ European Institute.

      “He will be head of state, head of government and have full power over the judiciary,” added Dr Özyürek. “He will have the power to issue decrees, which is huge, because it pretty much makes parliament ineffective.”

      This is all fine according to the BBC, no critical analysis whatsoever, and who shamelessly quoted with a shovelful of irony that the Government who won the referendum had a virtual monopoly on the broadcasting in Turkey.

      I’m sure there’s some clever word play to link Fascist UK with Turkey and birds flocking together, but for the love of all you hold sacred, please do not let Scotland be dragged any further on this deeply depressing trajectory.

    402. One_Scot says:

      ‘Thanks for the info- snp 1 & 2 plus an indy. Won’t vote for anyone else though.’

      I used to think like that until I realised that you are not actually specifically voting for anyone, you are just putting them in an order from who you most like, to who you most dislike.

      And from what I gather, by not listing all the candidate in your order preference, you are giving your most disliked candidate more of a chance of being selected by other people.

    403. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Breeks Look on the bright side Scotland wont be behind Turkey in the EU membership queue .

    404. Golfnut says:


      ‘re Fascism,

      Thanks for reposting this, originally saw this a couple of months before indyref 1, scared the hell oh it of me then, more so now.

      Alarm bells should be ringing for people in the UK, particularly the older generation.

      There is nothing great about the UK in a good sense, we do corruption, poverty and apathy really well though.

    405. auld highlander says:

      Just had a look at one of the headlines in the National……

      That lunatic woman is now hinting that God would back brexit,

      Stark raving bonkers, what a lunatic dictatorship we are living in.

    406. Lenny Hartley says:

      Ian B, sorry the Dale no longer has a pool table, the only one in the village is at Brodick Gold Club aka the Blue and Red Tory unionist club. Just down the road. You will need somebody to sign y’all in but easy to get as they will take a bodies money.
      Btw I was a member for many years but decided after too many arguments that I no longer wanted to be there. Despite what I said earlier re red and blue tory unionist club There are a lot of good people who vote the right way who are members but due to a few wankers not my cup of tea these days. So don’t boycott due to my tongue in check description. 🙂
      The pool table is good and the pub reasonably priced.

    407. louis.b.argyll says:

      Hold your nose, cross your fingers behind your back….and vote til ye book!

    408. louis.b.argyll says:

      Hold your nose, cross your fingers behind your back….and vote til ye boak!

    409. Robert Kerr says:

      Will sick buckets be provided at polling stations?


      A new acronym for the day. VTYBToryLast.

    410. Ken500 says:

      Parliamentary Channel

      US Intelligence Committee

    411. Robert Louis says:

      Loui b argyll,

      Exactly, vote til you boak.

      In the council elections, you RANK all the candidates. So, say their are eight in total, including tories, you might say, well I want the SNP man to come first, so you mark him 1 on the ballot paper, then you want the second SNP candidate to come second, so you rank him 2, and so on, and then the ones you hate, you really, really want to make sure they come last don’t you?, so for Tories and UKIP etc, you rank them (in this example) as 7 and eight.

      So, in the example, above, it might look like;

      1. SNP
      2. SNP
      3. Green
      4. Labour
      5 Libdem
      6 independent
      7 Tory
      8 Tory.

      Now, you might hate the tories like most Scots, but you still need to rank them last on the ballor paper. It doesn’t mean you are voting FOR tories, it actually means you are making very sure they come last.

      It’s like a popularity contest, and you are marking them in order of popularity.

    412. Robert Peffers says:

      I wondered, that if Labour was the sitting councillor, or had run the SNP close, in your ward while the previous Tory candidate had been an also ran if it would be better to rate the Tory before Labour at the tail end.

      I imagine, that as the Labour guy was probably going to get in, hopefully after the SNP, that it wouldn’t make much difference.

      The thinking being that if the last on your list were reversed, it wouldn’t matter as nether the SNP or Labour would be getting any lower preference votes to get elected anyway.

    413. Bill McLean says:

      Lenny Hartley – I lived in Scarborough, off and on, for 30 odd years and used to curse the noise you could hear all over town from the bikes at Oliver’s Mount. A nice town that I enjoyed living in. Have a great time.

    414. Macart says:

      According to the Sun, Holyrood Tories are planning a walkout if the SG ‘force through’ an indyref. I’d just like to say that if such a rumour is true and from the very heart of my bottom,…

      … don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out. 😉

    415. Robert Peffers says:

      @Macart says: 17 April, 2017 at 11:29 am:

      “According to the Sun, Holyrood Tories are planning a walkout if the SG ‘force through’ an indyref.”

      Now that, Macart, is funny.

      What are the poor dears going to do? Set up a rival, alternative, Scottish Parliament at Westminster?

      I’d imagine as they represent a minority of Scottish voters, most Scots would welcome their absence.

      Then, of course, Nicola could tell Ms Harrison to, “sit down!, on strike.

    416. Smallaxe says:


      Just in case anyone missed Nana posting on O/T this morning, she thanks everyone for their concern and hopes to be back soon. A special thanks are sent to Robert Kerr for his Easter message to her yesterday.

      Peace Always

    417. Macart says:

      @Robert Peffers

      It’ll certainly cut down on the annoying shouty noises of a Thursday afternoon at FMQs. 🙂

      Wondering if we could bar the doors after they leave?

      Worth a thought.

    418. Capella says:

      @ Smallaxe – thanks for the update re Nana. I thought she might be having a busy family Easter. Looking forward to the return of The Links.

    419. Tam face somewhere says:

      Macart says: 17 April, 2017 at 11:29 am:

      “According to the Sun, Holyrood Tories are planning a walkout if the SG ‘force through’ an Indy ref.”


      So they are planning on NOT doing their day job?

      You couldn’t make it up!

    420. Mo Workman says:

      Having real problems rating candidates in my area clydesdale east 3. Does anyone know anything about the independent Andrew McCallum I can’t seem to be able to find any info on this guy. I have only got 1 SNP and 1 Green Candidate and the other Independent Bev Gauld who was SNP but left due to disagreement over gay marriage so will have to hold my nose to vote for him as all the others are unionists.

    421. heedtracker says:

      I love Scarborough, but is it run by psychopaths though, like Wullie Dont Call Me Stupid Young, of Aberdeen?

      Wullie’s great SLab thing is blowing hundreds of millions of borrowed money on eyesore white elephants and then he blames Holyrood and the SNP when they go bust.

      In 2008, SLab psychos like Wullie had run up half a billion debt, in Europe’s oil capital Aberdeen.

      Today our Aberdeen debt is now £1.2 billion.

      Aberdeen City Council Special Report: Behind the granite façade lies a city in municipal ruin, 30 August 2008

      40p in every £1 collected in Aberdeen council goes to service catastrofuck Wullie’s white elephant debt.

      And ofcourse, the City really loves a debt crazed catastrofuck like ACC’s Wullie Young.

      Why is a Slabour psychopath like Wullie able to get his hands on so much easy money?

      20% election turn outs and City slicker spivs, who know that councils cant go bust, can they? Wullie’s a millionaire too though, rent landlord, in an Aberdeen that hasn’t built social housing for decades, all controlled by socialist workers like SLabour’s Wullie Young. Kerching!

      Its worth checking out just how much debt your city is in too and why.

      Sorry archive is wont work on this pc.

    422. Graf Midgehunter says:

      There’s just over two Weeks til the vote and if the SNP was clever enough they’d have a leaflet posted through everybody’s letterbox to make sure they do vote the right way AND GOTV..!

      If I can learn the why and how, other folk can too.

    423. Lenny Hartley says:

      Very O/T Bill McLean cheers, Scarborough is one I always one to look forward too, great social scene as circuit close to town, stay in Valley Road next to Cellars Bar which is my bar of choice.
      First visit was 77/78 then from 2009 at least twice a year upto four times a year if no clashes with other meetings.
      Great place Scarborough, Although guess it can get noisy in town if the wind is in the wrong direction. Apart from the Isle of Man TT it’s the one where spectators can get closed to the action , just feet away from the riders as they flash past at upto 150mph. I’m there in a professional capacity as I take photos for a magazine. Four off us “Togs” had to jump one day as a bike was barrel rolling towards us, one guy hit a tree with his heid, first time a race has been stopped due to an injury to a photographer 🙂

    424. heedtracker says:

      How “local” catastrofuck Wullie Young’s new grand plans are reported by beeb gimps.

      As usual, its what beeb gimps leave out that actually matters, like how the last white elephant Aberdeen exhibition is a financial disaster. Wullie Young’s solution, lets build an even bigger and vastly more expensive one, and whats £330+ million anyway, when you’re a psychopath hell bent on blowing as much dosh as is humanely possible, before its all over-

      Plans for a new £333m Aberdeen Exhibition and Conference Centre have been approved by the full council.
      Henry Boot Developments is behind the project to replace the existing Bridge-of Don AECC, at a site in the Dyce area.
      Council leader Jenny Laing said: “The new AECC represents a significant, but very affordable, investment for the city.”

      Note beeb gimps “full council.” Simple straightforward pro SLabour and yoon culture BBC propaganda.

      Its not a coincidence that not one UKOK hack in Aberdeen has ever asked a catastrofuck like Wullie Young,

      “how can we afford this £300+ million Wullie?”

      “The last Aberdeen Exhibition and Conference Centre is bankrupt but still standing, why are you doing it all again, and not say making sure our bins are emptied, or the teacher shortage is being fixed, or totally underfunded home help is NOT being properly funded etc”

    425. Smallaxe says:


      I was happy to give an update on Nana, I, like a lot of people, was starting to get worried about her. Hopefully, Nana will be back as soon as possible with her links.

      Peace and Love Always my Friend

    426. Valerie says:

      Lots of whining and gnashing from Brexiteers. They always scream ‘posturing’ when EU does something perfectly reasonable, and was already signalled.

      Huffpo and others now reporting the EU medical agency and the bank, could be gone within weeks.

      It was reported some months ago, and I posted it here, that around 12 EU countries were furiously working on bids for these two agencies.

      So many want them, there will need to be a contest/criteria.

      David Davies, is of course, saying its nonsense.

    427. izzie says:

      there is an article int ‘The National’ re the possible role of Independents in Angus. Some independents are more so than others.Any advice?

    428. Robert Peffers says:

      @Macart says: 17 April, 2017 at 11:47 am:

      “It’ll certainly cut down on the annoying shouty noises of a Thursday afternoon at FMQs.
      Wondering if we could bar the doors after they leave?
      Worth a thought.”

      Not a bad idea, Macart. We could complete the job by fitting spongy rubber to the Labour party desktops.

    429. call me dave says:

      Just back from Oban where I spent most of the last week.

      Fell out big time with my partners parents who are +80’s have the Daily mail and the BBC as their window on the world.

      They started it with Nicola in the USA how very dare she… and she’s not paying for her own clothes and the Schools are all falling down and the state of the NHS. FGS!

      I tried politely to point out the flaws in their argument PFI and Labour the SNHS is the best in the UK and the FM was doing fine thanks but was appalled at their racist rant as it spilled into Brexit, the furriners and with only 5 million of us we couldn’t manage on our own the Scottish debt.

      Well I lost the plot and spent about 15 mins of my life tearing their arguments to shreds Yup! The whole smear.

      Finally pointing to their granddaughter and great grand-daughter who were also visiting in the room told them to think of those who would be running the country and not folk like them or me of an age who should have changed things years ago but didn’t and would soon be gone. Tractors both…shocking cringe etc etc.

      I left them a bit ashen as I left the house for a wander round the harbour to cool down, the grand-daughter came with me, I’m her hero she said. 🙂

      My partner told me later I was right… But they’re still defiant and voting ‘labour’ to stop the SNP making progress at the council elections. (they have always voted Lib/Dem before and got to church every Sunday)

      Never going back to Oban this side of a funeral… I’ve had enough.

      Nice day again in Fife! Taken me since Saturday to calm down.

    430. heedtracker says:

      BBC propaganda gimps say, Wullie Young’s giant debt for his white elephants is good, no, its great news. Aberdeen council borrows so much City money, Wullie now has a City credit rating.

      This is great news say beeb gimps, although again they leave out just how big Aberdeen’s debt actually is, funny that.

      “Credit rating agency Moody’s has assigned Aberdeen an Aa2 rating.

      That is one level below the United Kingdom as a whole.
      The council said the rating would allow it to consider “innovative” new funding mechanisms, including access to debt capital markets.

      In a statement, Moody’s noted the authority’s “strong institutional framework” as well as a “strong track record of operating performance”.”

      Why would the City spivs lend Aberdeen council money so much money, seeing as the oil’s running out, to a yoon culture ACC, who are proven to be incapable of making sensible and successful giant spends?

      Beeb do not say.

    431. Valerie says:

      Let’s have no more complaints about London elite not caring.

      Amber Rudd is looking at a ‘Barista Visa’.

      The hipsters will have their steamed, semi skimmed, slow roasted, non GM, double machiato.

    432. Lenny Hartley says:

      izzie our own Paula Rose is standing in Brechin as an Independent although not under the SNP banner as per voting sheet, if I had a choice Paula would be number 1

    433. Ken500 says:

      The AECC is used on average once a month. Supported with £26Million public money. The City is now in illegal £1.2 Billion of debt. Sold for fifty years on the stock exchange. While essential services are being cut. There is a shortage of 130 teachers.Now the administration is encouraging teachers to take redundancy. The Labour/Unionist/green should be charged with embezzlement and put in jail. They are a public disgrace. The grotesques projects of no value. The waste of £Millions of public money while public essential services are cut. People were protesting on the street to no avail. STV allows the ignorant incompetents to get away with it. Regurgitated 3rd rate rejects. Ist preference votes going in the bin. The unionists ignorant incompetents have illegally transferred the electoral system in their own interests by the illegal cabal. Against the majority wishes, the public interest and democratic rights.

      May 2017

    434. Valerie says:

      @call me Dave

      For what it’s worth, you are my hero too. It’s not just calling out on politics, it’s calling out prejudice, and I can’t abide that, and would rather walk.

      I barely speak to my mother, for lots of personal reasons, but also because she is 80+, and a lost cause. We have never been able to communicate, and its too late. I’m in my 50s, and would rather have positivity, and don’t mind opposing views, but not prejudice or bigotry. My mother knows sod all about politics, but knows SNP bad, but not why, she is a parrot.

      You’ve said your piece, your partner agrees, and you are best leaving them to it.

    435. heedtracker says:

      Another Wullie Young classic catastofuck in Aberdeen, in action. Despite aghast local protest, Wullie decides to blow another £100+ million on another white elephant.

      “Protestors have failed in their bid to get the controversial Marischal Square development in Aberdeen halted.

      Councillors voted by 22-21 to continue with the project, despite increasing objection.

      Opponents expressed anger at being thrown out of the debate because it was hearing confidential legal advice.

      But it emerged the authority’s finance convenor Willie Young had “accidently” leaked some of that advice to one of the campaigners.

      He has referred himself to the Standards Commission.
      The council’s deputy leader, Marie Boulton, has urged campaigners to now work with them on regenerating Aberdeen.”

      Regenerating Aberdeen, under SLab control, means throwing up another hideous white elephant, in a commercial property market already swamped with shiny new offices and hotels.

      Does it matter? Not to Wullie and chums. What’s another £100+million on the great ACC debt mountain.

      20% council election turn outs Aberdeen, this what gets you debt crazed psychopath millionaire councillors, like Wullie Young.

    436. TheBuchanLoony says:

      call me dave
      It is very difficult for 80+ people, and those much younger, to admit that for their whole lives they have been conned, lied to and exploited. Their old age and whole lives could have been so much better and for their families…they have failed. They are in denial and must comfort themselves in the propaganda.

    437. heedtracker says:

      Mind how unionist rage at Scots, vote NO, Scotland’s share of UK national debt will bankrupt you, you deluded etc?

      Here’s ACC’s great Wullie Young, doing exact same Project Fearing to the good people of Aberdeen, who only turn out to vote at 20%,

      “There is a nervousness about Scotland becoming an independent country in the markets,” Aberdeen’s finance chief Willie Young, a staunch opponent of independence, said from an office overlooking Union Street, the city’s main thoroughfare.

      “Those that are lending us the money get the comfort from UK PLC, and they wanted that clause inserted,” he told Reuters.

      One concern about such a deal is who would pay investors early if Scotland did declare independence.”

      Ramp up giant council debts, blow the money on white elephants that no one wants, threaten the electorate with their giant debts, if they dare to vote YES for Scotland and worth every bankrupting penny, yoon culture wise.

      Christ only knows what Scottish city council books are really like today too.

    438. Bob Mack says:

      @Mo Workman,

      Regarding Mr mcCallum the independent in your area. I am very sure at one time (around 2014), he was mounting a campaign to have the national Gaelic centre based in his own area, due to the number of Gaelic speakers who had moved there in the past.
      Not the mindset of a unionist!!

      There is absolutely nothing associating him with unionists that I can find. I have a friend who lives in Carluke who knows him as a local activist for the area.

    439. Great comment by K1 on STV voting system and why we need to utilise our votes to the full. James Kelly’s piece should be read by everyone and the links circulated widely. The last paragraph in particular is a clincher.

      “IF enough people follow all of these steps, the results could be startling. A recent Ipsos-Mori telephone poll of local council voting intentions put the Tories just two per cent ahead of Labour. If that’s even close to being accurate, a concerted drive by pro-indy voters to rank all other parties ahead of the Tories could conceivably consign Ruth Davidson to an unexpected third place finish in terms of seats, and deliver a massive psychological setback to Tory hopes of thwarting an independence referendum.”

      So if you really want to put Ruth and her cohorts in their place, vote till you boke, and make sure the word is spread widely.

    440. Robert Louis says:

      So, the Tories are going to leave the Parliament if they don’t get their own way. Oh dear, diddums. Good riddance to them. I’ll happily pay for a single train fare for the lot of them to go running crying to London – where they seem to feel they belong. I doubt their lords and masters in Westminster will want much to do with them.

      If the democratically elected Parliament votes to do something, it is childish in the extreme, to then say you are leaving, just because you don’t agree.

      The tories are not called the nasty party for nothing. I do however, really hope they do leave, as the parliament would be a lot better without Ruth Davidsons toxic brand of hatred.

    441. Mo Workman says:

      Bob Mack

      Thanks Bob that is very helpful. He will be my third choice only 3 seats in my area. I will rate the rest after a bit of thought.

    442. Scott says:

      Just watched this and who is the ignorant twat sitting behind her would be nice to find out barstewards all of them. #scotref

    443. Lenny Hartley says:

      Re Tories walking out of Parliament, great , stop their wages and expenses the minute they walk out and force by elections , won’t be many.

    444. heedtracker says:

      More yoon culture at ACC, Wullie Young catastrofuck Aberdeen style?

      For no actual reason, ACC yoon culture decided to “refurbish” Aberdeen’s only art gallery a couple of years ago, at a mere 30 or 40 million quid, peanuts really to the great Wullie and chums.

      But its all gone to rat shit now, its meant to be reopened this year but there is no opening date, and with no one at the council with any idea when Aberdeen art gallery might even considering opening again. ACC spin says

      “It is now less than a year to go before Aberdeen Art Gallery reopens.

      From catastrofuck Wullie, no comment.

      Its all a bit disorientating because Aberdeen Art Gallery acts as if there is an actual Aberdeen Art Gallery to visit, on social media.

    445. auld highlander says:

      Aberdeen is not the only clowncil up to their neck in debt, the Highland Council is hot on it’s heels as it’s debt rockets
      towards 1. billion.

      see article in the tattie pickers gazette….

    446. Paula Rose says:

      Thank you for your support – I’m easy to find on the ballot paper, last name on the list.

    447. Marie Clark says:

      Oh my, so the tories are ready to walk out of SP if Nicola FORCES? through indy ref 2. Dear god, that’s the dummies getting spat out big time.

      Well Ruth & useless twats, cheerio, dinae hurry back. I’ll certainly be glad tae see the back o’ their angry greetin faces. Never seem to have anything constructive to say, just Nae referendum and SNP BAAAAAAADDDD>

      Good riddence tae bad rubbish. Right Macart, let’s get the doors bolted and keep the whining buggers oot.

      Mind you, just what they would hope to achieve by this meaningless gesture I’m no too sure of. Childish in the extreme.

    448. K1 says:

      Ah third that emotion call me dave and Valerie, I too had to walk away, it’s been two years now since I’ve been in contact with ma mither. Pretty much exact same scenario, it is indeed the barely disguised xenophobic and bigoted underbelly of her arguments for snp bad. Express reading born again christian who believes the named person act is an attempt to have spies in children’s bedrooms…I mean ffs.

      Like you Valerie the strain was always there, it took the stark difference in outlook and philosophy over the previous couple of years to bring it to a head one afternoon and like you call me dave ah just let loose. It was a few weeks later after sleepless nights and a kinda mini depression that ah made the decision to walk away.

      Ah sent her a very kind letter stating that my behaviour had been completely out of order that day and that I could no longer ‘bridge’ the gulf between us, that I needed time to get to some kind of peace. I confess to feelings of guilt and deep sadness about this but I’m unable to reconcile being in constant contact with someone whose attitudes and the force behind them are in effect a direct attack on my entire way of life. By doing so ah was merely cooking resentment by holding ma weesht. I saw by the force of that last confrontation, it simply was not good for me to be around such people…at all.

      Ah saw a wee conversation on Twitter the other day regarding ‘falling out over the (2014) referendum’. Someone had tweeted, ah paprphrase here, ‘if ye fell out with friends then the friendship wasn’t much of one to begin with’. There’s truth in that, the referendum merely exposed any underlying rifts already present but previously glossed over, because it stripped attitudes back to the core and revealed people’s true ‘values’ and outlook.

      I understand my mum’s outlook and others of her generation, but that understanding doesn’t give her a free pass to shit on those who hold a different view nor demean the debate by spouting unfounded and utterly unverifiable crud about the SNP’s ‘motives’. It was like listening to an extremist whilst they claim you are the extreme one.

      So you’re ma hero too call me dave 🙂

    449. Robert Peffers says:

      For history buffs and indeed any Scot educated in the past with the claptrap that passed as Scottish history might like to get a better idea of where we Scots came from.

      Most likely not from Ireland but from the Stone Age Britons who were the aboriginal peoples of Scotland.

      It is rather stunning and about an hour long but well worth the time.

    450. liz says:

      @call me dave – I know it’s very hard trying to deal with folk who refuse to listen.

      You could as a last resort post some stuff from @LabourEoin.
      he’s a doctor in England pro Corbyn but very very fair,

      He sees the mess that is ENHS and constantly praises SNHS.
      He posts up loads of facts, such as ENHS is in meltdown, etc.

      I use his stuff a lot cos he is Labour and therefore no axe to grind

    451. Effijy says:

      BBC news at Scotland from Westminster’s England:

      UK Whisky production is up on the year!

      I wonder how much English Whisky is in that UK Figure?

      Great show on a BBC show last night it looked at how Columbia has suffered at the hands of the wealthy right wing extremists who have bought all of the country’s media channels, destroyed workers rights, made Union activists unemployable, before executing those who would continue to stand against them.

      No proof of the hired assassins carrying out these killings as the Police and Army were on their payroll too.

      Sounds like Tory England in another 10 years.
      Just hope they do build that wall high to keep Tory England out of an Independent Scotland.

      Also see Wee Ruth Kim Jong Un is threatening to get her Tory
      MSP Pals to trot out of Holyrood should they dare to deliver the true referendum for Scotland.
      They can’t have Scots making their own decisions for their own benefit. It just wouldn’t be cricket.

      Wonder if she will hold her BBC press conference on the Tank Turret, or Buffalo Bare Back Riding, maybe even on top of our Kez, the Dippy Dug.

      What a loss to Scotland to lose the party that has never held a majority up here in 3 generations, and maybe their 1 MP in Scotland out of 59 will stop anything from being done?

    452. Artyhetty says:

      Call me Dave@12.11

      Sounds familiar. The folks reading unionist rags, having unionist lies piped into their living rooms day in day out, and remembering some have the tv on during most of their waking hours, are the ones that the right wing rags are pandering to. Brainwashing it’s called, easy peasy, done done, keep Scotland shackled to the dysfunctional backward UK, and keeping Scotland poor, for decades, no, oops I meant centuries!


      So Aberdeen has not thrived within the UK and while being the ‘oil capital’ of, where was it? Looks like a few gits intent on destroying that fair city even more.

      If you look at parts, no most, of Latin America, their resources plundered by the US, the areas most exploited by foreign interests, for oil and gold etc, are the poorest and, sadly, the most violent. The violence is orchestrated and very convenient for those continuing to exploit these countries. Same in S.Africa, places like Sumatra.

      Aberdeen should be absolutely thriving, and a magnet for tourism and jobs, technology and innovative projects as well as the arts. People living there must be really fckg angry, lets hope things change come May 4th.

    453. yesindyref2 says:

      Well that’s it, son and girl-friend away after coming down for Easter. He’s posted his postal ballot, SNP 1, SNP 2 (in the recommended order for our part of the ward), Ind 3, Ind 4, Lab 5 and Tory 6. Fair chance I think of SNP + SNP + Ind + Lab, with the Tory gone from last election. Sad, he’s a decent guy, but Tories need to be hit, and hit hard. They not only think they’re above us, they think they’re above Scotland.

      Vote till you boak!

    454. Artyhetty says:



      Very interesting to hear that the bbbc actually had a prog about the horrendous goings on in Columbia. I fact it is much worse and carbon copied almost right across S.America. Distasters like landslides, where 100s people die, are not uncommon. There was a landslide in Columbia very recently. 🙁 It was known it would happen, the authorities, bank rolled by the US and others, did nothing about it.

      S.America is an absolute mess, with basically genocide taking place and especially ”femicides’. It is absolutely tragic. They build walls between the slums and extremely rich areas, and even have a cable car to take the poor in to work! Can’t remember which country, but the cable car has just been closed, leaving people with no work and destitute. Their land was stolen, waters poisoned, they have nothing.

      News about S.America and other parts of the world from teleSURtv, always interesting and Tariq Ali does an interview/talk show too via that.

    455. heedtracker says:

      auld highlander says:
      17 April, 2017 at 1:08 pm
      Aberdeen is not the only clowncil up to their neck in debt, the Highland Council is hot on it’s heels as it’s debt rockets
      towards 1. billion.

      see article in the tattie pickers gazette….

      But what is the total debt of all Scotland’s council’s and why is it not public knowledge?

      If you google, “Scottish council’s total debt,”

      First up, beeb gimps hide it deep in their usual Anyone but SNP grot. Or its not hard to imagine endless beeb anti SNP rage, it it was all on Nic Sturgeon.

      Analysis: Scottish councils in debt
      By Jamie McIvor
      BBC Scotland local government correspondent
      16 November 2016
      From the section Scotland

      The Scottish Greens says the UK government should write off hundreds of millions of pounds of “unethical” loans made to councils in Scotland. Why did the councils take out these loans and how much of their income are they spending on paying them back?

      As any financial adviser will tell you, there are two mains reasons for borrowing money – because the money is needed urgently or to make an investment in something like a house or a kitchen.

      Generally speaking, borrowing to invest is seen as a good thing while borrowing to balance the books should be a last resort.”

      This gimp slides in Scot council debt as,

      “But at a time of tight budgets, that 6p in the pound could prove very significant. It could be the money that might otherwise have been spent on a service currently facing cuts.
      A report from the Accounts Commission last year said Scottish councils had a total debt of £14.8bn – £12.1bn of which was from borrowing. ”

      That 6p is clearly a lowest possible number pick, its far hight for Aberdeen. And this beeb gimps slipped it all out under his “Green” news section of hard core beeb gimpery. Why? Christ knows, its all on Slab and tory councils.

      How many Edinburgh Trams could all that debt have been vomited on, by likes of Wullie Young? but lets just focus on the unionists Tram catastrofuck and let likes of Wullie quietly get on with the task of bankrupting cities like Aberdeen. How frightfully British of them.

      Debt is good, giant debt crushes everything and anything changy, in the UK. And it makes dudes like Wullie very rich too.

      20% turnout, we get exactly what we pretend we don’t want to know about, don’t we?

    456. heedtracker says:


      We can see how giant yoon debt is weaponised by tory gimp media every day in Scotland.

      A Prof no less, raging at Scots for a notional catastrophic debt that we have no control of and never have.

      “Last month, Professor Richard Murphy, a political economist at University of London, said the reliance on estimates in those Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland figures is “ridiculous”.

      Alongside another couple of tory goons, blue ones this time. What ever is tory yoon culture afraid of?

      “Tory candidate rapped for calling Nicola Sturgeon a ‘poison dwarf’”

      Charming chaps.

      Here in Aberdeen, yoon culture is equally abusive, if not more so, certainly more expensive.

      Wullie Young first banned the Scotland flag from any ACC property and then he banned Scotland’s FM Alex Salmond too, for 6 months.


      FM Salmond is a bully, says catastrofuck Wullie.

    457. defo says:

      Get the vote out, open up the books, and start the prosecutions.
      Easy as 1,2,3.

    458. heedtracker says:

      FM Salmond is a bully, says catastrofuck Wullie.

      Over a cup of coffee, just how much debt have fiscal catatastrofucks like Wullie Young actually run up, to date, in Scottish councils, including the great golden goose for the City that is Crash Gordo’s great PFI fraud on all Scots, for generations to come?

      Its really hard to even get an idea.

      All that keeps coming up in google is Scotland’s £15bn deficit of NO, UKOK and dog food salesman style. Its very odd.

      Say its a combined total of £13+bn for Scottish yoon controlled councils like Wullie Young’s, we still have their PFI catastrofuck of even bigger debt and falling down schools.

      As usual, its all very murky in UKOK hackdom world, stinky old Graun says its all on John Swinney.

      An investigation by the Guardian has found that,

      “Jackie Baillie, Scottish Labour’s finance spokeswoman, said she would be urging Holyrood’s finance committee to investigate. “Future generations are facing a debt mountain and we’re putting more and more on the nation’s credit card.”

      That was 2015, but a year after Severin’s SNP bad sleuthing, Herald toryboys say,

      LABOUR’S ‘toxic PFI legacy’ will cost Scottish taxpayers a massive £30 billion over the coming decades, the Sunday Herald can reveal.

      The failings of the Private Finance Initiative schemes, championed by the last Labour government, have been thrust into the spotlight by Scotland’s ‘crumbling schools scandal’ which has led to the closure of 17 schools in Edinburgh.

      So how much debt do we Scots actually have to pay off now, forever?

      Its weird how a Graun ligger like Carrell can go into so much Scottish debt time bomb depth but just not even mention SLabour’s legacy, NOT.

      And to be fair to Carrell, he was warming up Graun’s May 2016 Scottish general election vote anyone but SNP campaigning.

      Or just stinky old Graun’s variations of,

    459. defo says:

      EC says Turkey vote unfair.
      One sided media, and illegal government intervention.
      Remind you of anything ?

    460. CameornB Brodie says:

      Thank you for sharing that.

      The older generation have a particularly hard time facing reality but we have all be submerged by a deluge of sophisticated and not so sophisticated right-wing propoganda for the last 40 years. A lot of scientific understanding has gone in to this and has had far-reaching societal effects.

      Some personality types are more susceptible than others to propaganda. None of the present socio-economic conditions we face need be. Our circumstances are ideologically defined, not natural. We are being turned into non-critical units of economic potential by neo-fascist wanks, frankly.

    461. defo says:

      Auntie is going full bung on the “unfair” Turkey ref.
      And not even a blush 🙁

    462. K1 says:

      Frankly you’re absolutely correct Cameron, thank you for your commments on this. I do believe they are having trouble wi huge swathes of ‘their’ Scotland ‘region’ not conforming along those lines that some (as mentioned) have?

      I’ve long known the ‘authoritarian’ aspect in ma own mither’s personality, so it completely makes sense that those who seek to dominate by dictate are those whose tendency it is to believe the ‘authorities’ and the ‘conventional wisdom’ when it comes to ‘knowing your place’ in life? Borne of fear no doubt and now too late for them to ‘open’ again they rail against a ‘manufactured’ enemy created by those same authorities that they have relied upon, as call me dave put it, as their ‘window on the world’.

      They have no choice but to act in accordance with their own conditioned beliefs. We are all at the mercy of our own conditioning in this regard, again it is about ‘choice’, for some of us or many it would seem given where we are at politically in Scotland, we ‘chose’ to question those authorities and came to a different perspective. Which precisely matches the general and well known ‘characteristics’ of the Scots as an ‘open, inclusive and outward looking country’?

      My mum lost her way by finding what she thinks is ‘the’ way. That’s an unfortunate position for any human to find themselves in, as it tends to promote the notion that only ‘certain’ people or groups have the ‘answers’ and therefore no other influences are permitted. Circular thinking is a real bind, dontcha think? (rhetorical) 😉

      The neo fascists have a fight on their hands wi the neo Self determined Scots, who’re huvin’ none o’ it!

    463. heedtracker says:

      The neo fascists have a fight on their hands wi the neo Self determined Scots, who’re huvin’ none o’ it!

      Without all UK newsrooms in Scotland, starting at Pacific Quay, all stuffed with professional liars, is there even a UK left now?

    464. mike d says:

      Call me dave 12.11pm. You are not alone there dave.,i get this sh**e off a family member every time i come home to visit.i try to explain how the snhs is miles in front of the English nhs etc,etc . like banging my head off a brick wall .every logical debate is met with,i don’t care it wis on the BBC. I often wonder how someone who has the same dna as me,could be so f*****g stupid and blinkered.

    465. K1 says:

      No Heed there isn’t…we’re down tae the churning propaganda from what Robert often cites as the 25% or less of those whose livelihoods and lands are at stake in this. The BBC PQ et al are now ‘only’ talking to the red white and blue last bastions in Scotland. Ergo Tories R Us all the way as Labour have collapsed and no longer can they megaphone for their pals and family, so Brewer monsters Harvie and gives Ruth the floor etc.

      Shower a shite they all are.

    466. heedtracker says:

      Shower a shite they all are.

      It’s what this whole industry of professional British liars just do not tell us, that more than balances out just how hard Pacific Quay beeb gimps lie to us in Scotland.

      But UKOK hackdom is a private business that makes a lot of money, all taking their lead from the BBC, who today for example…BBC r4 have been ongoing on and on about a billionaire prince, sad about losing his mum, in 1996 or 97.

    467. Gary45% says:

      call me dave@12.11
      Yep I think many of us come across this daily, I have tory voting Yoons tell me Ms Sturgeon is actually running the country well, in the same breath they say “but we will never vote for the SNP”, when you ask them “why?” I have had answers like
      “she(Nicola) can’t wear her shoes properly”!!!! I kid you not, but then they say they hate Ruth because of her sexuality, when you ask them why they hate Ms Sturgeon so much, they spout the same shite that every Yoon comes out with.
      Its embarrassing when you hear our elderly peers being brain-dead bigots.

    468. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Sorry to read about your experience wi your mum, K1. I think very highly of you as a commenter here, so it hits me in the feels, as they say nowadays.

    469. Meg merrilees says:

      Only come lately to the news that the tories are threatening to walkout of S. Parliament if the democratically elected First Minister, N.Sturgeon “FORCES” a democratically, majority-supported, mandated referendum on the people of Scotland.

      You can bet your bottom dollar, they and most of the Scottish media would go apoplectic if our SNP MP’s in WM were to walkout because the unelected THeresa May has, undemocratically, and contra the majority, ‘FORCED’ Brexit on the people of Scotland.

      What about getting on with the day job, tRuthless? Ruth for a strong opposition, my posterior! – You’re not supposed to turn around and walk away – that’s called throwing in the towel. She’ll probably notify the TV cameras by Twitter that she’s about to walk out so it get’s maximum coverage. Pathetic tactics. They should stay and oppose – that’s what they are paid to do.

      I hope they lose their seats. Not holding my breath on that one though.

      Will Kezia’s Merry Bunch and Willie’s wonders do likewise? Oh, Dearie me – what a dilemna! And what will the Presiding Officer do about it?

      Will that mean the motion will go through unopposed? Can’t wait to follow proceedings this week….

      Getting the champagne ready!…

      Meanwhile – what’s going to happen in Stormont tomorrow – could be an epic day for our preciousss Union

    470. K1 says:

      But is that what they say RN? 😉

      Very kind words RN. She’s no a bad soul really…imo misguided and somewhat feart…no a good combo when it comes to making the broader decisions involving the future of yer polity. She was a staunch socialist for most of her life too, a real fighter against right to buy at the time, was invited down to HoC’s at the time as her question was put tae the parliament!

      Couldnae make it up whit happens tae people 🙁

    471. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      call me dave, K1,

      Just revisiting this thread, and truly sorry to hear of your travails, both of you. I don’t have my mum and dad any more so I’ll never know for sure, but I hope to think that they would be indy supporters by now, despite their past allegiances. Especially mum, who despised Tories with a vengeance.

      Something of a joke though, FibDem supporters intending to vote Labour instead, just as the latter are disappearing down the plughole. Wee Willie will surely be disappointed – he was recently claiming that byelection successes over the last couple of years bodes well for his wee band. Problem is, all but one of those gains were down in England, so he’s likely whistling in the wind gale up here.

    472. Fred says:

      Guys, we were brought up to believe that the only good Tory was a deid Tory & the SNP were branded for years as the Tartan Tories which undoubtedly had an affect on the hard of thinking. The latter is of course nonsense as we now know. The former belief still holds true!

    473. Cactus says:

      Vote Yes!

    474. Iain C says:

      Some have asked about Gerry Creechan for Ward 10 Glasgow…..what is a ‘Progressive Nationalist!!!!

    475. Al-Stuart says:

      Hi Lenny,

      Just so you have the accurate results…

      I was living on Arran in 2017 and voted SNP.

      Timothy Billings, the Tory got in. We suffer from a LOT of retired Unionist Tory Diehards that come up from south of the Border and settle down with one foot in the grave. But less humour than Victor Meldrew. Most are reasonably decent folk, but they do push their VERY LOUD views down the islanders’ throats which goes down as well as a bucket of cold sick.

      I loathe Tories, but frankly ANYTHING is better than the waste of skin, Turbett.

      Comrade Colin Turbett was the LOWEST of the LOW…

      Conservative Timothy Billings 27.64% 1,309
      SNP Ellen McMaster 19.68% 932
      SNP Tony Gurney 19.64% 930
      Labour Clare McGuire 13.91% 659
      Independent John Hunter 10.62% 503
      A Better Britain – Unionist Party Gordon Allison 5.03% 238
      Scottish Socialist Colin Turbett 3.48% 165.

      On the island of Arran very FEW folk like Colin Turbett, and even less vote for him. Tends to be former fans of Tommy Sheridan and Turdbett ain’t no Sheridan.


      Lenny Hartley says:
      16 April, 2017 at 5:31 pm
      schrodingers Cat Hamish 100 Ardrossan and Arran ward North Ayrshire
      Three of the candidates are from Arran, Ellen for Snp , Colin for the socialists but not SSP anymore as listed as Independent Socialist Scotland and the Tory who I neither or want to know.
      If you are in Ardrossan I think the preference will be Tony first Ellen second. On Arran SNP are saying 1 Ellen 2 Tony check out what your SNP leaflets for Ardrossan is saying regarding the ranking of the SNP candidates. So I think the ranking if your in Ardrossan would be this, Fiona L if your lurking and I’m talking pish let me know

      1. Tony Gurney Snp
      2. Ellen McMaster Snp
      3 Colin Turbett
      4 John Hunter
      5 Claire Mcquire
      6 Gordon Allison
      7 Timothy Billings

      Three councillors to be elected.

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