Wings Over Scotland

” Will you support independence when the chance to vote for it is actually given, by encouraging others to vote and putting your grievances aside. No matter how/when that vote is happening. ”

As you’re asking Stu to give his view on hypotheticals

1) When do you anticipate this opportunity to vote for Independence arising ?

2) Do you believe it will happen under Sturgeon ?

We’ll wait

OMG Things have gone Pop on this forum.

@Black Joan 9:47

How dare Kate just assume the gender of a helpless, new born child, just like that.

And give that innocent, unformed infant a gender specific name.

I thought this kind of vile, sickening, phobic assumption and presumption had been stamped out in the nScotland.

Looks like there is still lots of work for the SNP and Greens to do.

Dan goes Pop?

Would he ask these questions if the SNP just passed legislation that legalised cannibalism?

I predict he won’t answer. I predict I won’t care if he does.

He should leave predictions to people with expertise and 100% track records.

Taiwan will turn into a pumpkin at midnight.

Oh and I forgot to say (although I see my post is awaiting moderation anyway) a very Merry Christmas to all.

Ho ho ho etc..

Dan2 @ 10.09

As you are so good at challenging people to answer straight questions, here’s one for you:

If the Scottish Government passed a law reducing the age of sexual consent to 7 contrary to the wishes of 99% of the Scottish people, do you feel that the UK government should refrain from intervening to make the law invalid?

Chris: thank you so much for this Christmas present – it is a real treat to see Hamish back.

Good to see the expression on his dear face – he is hopping mad and won’t be backing down. Just like the Rev and the best commenters btl.

Is Santa modelled on Grouse Beater by any chance [though not the blue eyes, I think]?

@Merganser

The way things are heading with the Greens/SNP sewer dwellers Dan2 will be able to provide an answer to your question for real.

I’d also say that yes I would’nt object to the UK government flushing this travesty of a human rights bill away. Why not? The UK has been shitting on it’s current and ex colonies for centuries, so why not accept something that will do Scots a great service.

Consider if the SNP/Green sloor set the minimum wage at tuppence an hour in law and the UK Gov stepped in and struck it down in favour of five pence an hour would people moan? Of course they would’nt! Fortunately for us that’s not the case right now but what is goes way beyond that.

As for Rev Stu coming out against independence I’ll say nothing, I’m just laughing.

Rev Stu and Scots Renewables

Well said both of you. We should all be actively encouraging the UK government to strike down this legislation.

As long as Scots electors lacks the political bollocks and/or nowse to bring about independence and remove us from the jurisdiction of Westminster, we are entitled, and indeed in circumstances like these I’d say obliged, to make use of any and all weapons at our disposal to defeat the #GRRBill and the deeply odious and regressive forces who are trying to force it down our throats.

It is beyond lame for anyone in the movement to oppose such action on the basis of *eek unionists*.

Similarly, when it comes to the next Holyrood election, those of us opposed to the SNP/Greens and yoon parties need to ensure that our votes are used tactically to ensure the maximum number of Alba, ISP and SSP MSP’s (and any others who oppose gender-woo), whether or not that means placing unionists above SNP and Greens to decrease the number of MSPs they get.

Thanks for answering Rev.

I am glad you still support independence, even if you are demotivated. Many are. But please now that the issue is done and in law, move onto something else and try and use your energy in getting more Alba people elected or persuading your demotivated followers to action.

I would say supporting Westminster intervening in this issue means you are a defacto unionist. But this is my opinion. I think wanting Scotland to control it’s own affairs and wanting the UK to save us from any mistakes is a complete contradiction.

“There was a reason Sections 33 and 35 were included in the Scotland Act”. Yes, to undermine Scottish democracy. So if we were already independence and this law passed, what would you support then? Westminster seizing control over Scotland and enforcing a more proper law?

Imo people’s opinion on the issue is kind of irrelevant and people’s rights should never be decided by others (and yes I understand that by increasing the rights of one group may negatively effect another). Either way, I don’t think the issue of rights is the only thing that should not be voted by Joe public, but should be in a constitution and decided by lawmakers.

However I do believe the Scottish government should have listened to a wider opinion of experts and done more safe-guarding and come up with a more nuanced law. The lack of nuance in modern debate is depressing.

if Scotland had been independent and the bill had been passed what remedy would there be t to end the bill and its provisions An general election of course, but the whole episode has a powerful stink of Autocracy. I simply do not believe Ms Sturgeon did not anticipate the possibility of WM striking it down. The problem of a Scottish GRC in other parts of the UK is a fatal flaw.
England Wales and NI will quite rightly be incensed by the idea of a Scottish GRC /legislation having precedence in the rest of the UK.With free movement within the UK it makes the idea of a ‘Scottish’ GRC farcical.
One has to question Ms Sturgeon’s political acumen.

Why has she decided to take forward such a highly contentious and flawed issue? There is no possibility she did not understand these matters.
Why was there no wider formal process of consultation outside the parliamentary process? What was the urgency behind this legislation? As a non politician it seems important to me to carry out a thorough analysis of the matter, seek expert opinion,(legal, anthropological, sociological,historical, neurological,genetic,medical) and to consider the full range of factors. It would have been much safer and much less incendiary to leave the legislation to ‘simmer’ for an extended period of reflection.

The core of the issue remains unresolved. As far as I can tell there is an unproductive polarisation of the issue, both sides are in full ‘conviction rant mode’ On the government side there is a flagrant false rhetoric of ‘human rights and equality’. Anyone who thinks this is straightforward should listen to the recent Reith Lecture by Jonathon Sumption.

On the other side there is an indignant defence of the ‘scientifically obvious’ nature of binary sex. Unfortunately science is rarely ‘obvious’ Theories that seem fixed and irreversibly ‘obvious’ turn out at the very least to be nuanced and complex.

There is a widespread deficit of understanding of the psychological, physiological and ontological processes that give rise to this division of of thought, For most people sex is binary and regardless of rhetoric, the reversal of the process of development of sexual dimorphism is not reversible by surgical or pharmacological means. At best it alters the superficial secondary sexual characteristics i.e. there is a change in some features such as hair and skin.

Returning to the politics, it is very very odd that Ms Sturgeon did not consult with all the other legislative entities within the UK. This failure reeks of a mixture of absolutism, stupidity and dictatorial zealotry. The shallow analysis and political failure are convincing reasons to move to a rejection of the current SNP/Green government..The Greens/ (Maggie Chapman’s and Patrick Harvey’s) contributions have been grossly intemperate incendiary,like those of a pair of rabid dogs. I fear it confirms their already well established ineluctability, which is a great shame, at a time when so much of our environment is under threat.

If Dan2 is who I think he is, he is being very silly. I suppose he came just to look at the picture. Whether he will understand the picture is something on which I will not speculate, one way or the other, because speculation generally requires a lack of evidence.

The joy of a Chris Cairns cartoon (any good cartoon, I suppose) is that it is simultaneously simple and complex. A beautifully woven tapestry, if you will.

* laughs bleakly. Chapeau, Chris (& Merry Christmas n’all that).

Here’s some great news. Panel Base poll reveals 42% of SNP voters and 19% of Labour would now vote Alba to maximise independence MSPs.

A shift is on. The voters are switching on. Sturgeon’s writ is coming to an end. Folks know she sold us out.

We are moving forward. Just think what a campaign would do.

link to barrheadboy.com

@Dan2

Just sound like the same old “wheesht for indy” BS really Dan. It wasn’t convincing before and if anything it’s even less convincing now.

We don’t have to all believe in the same vision of what the early days of a better nation look like right now.

We aren’t required to check our brains in at the entrance to the campaign, swallow every principle we have.

We shouldn’t be expected to stand shoulder to shoulder with people we regard as purveyors of regressive, harmful, a-scientific dogma.

We don’t have to pretend that odious pieces of work who have spent years abusing gender critical folk, abusing political opponents, othering them, threatening them with violence and trying to have them fired from their jobs are allies we can somehow work with.

I’m not prepared to metaphorically bury the hatchet with such folk, unless it’s deep within their tiny little brains, OK?

Wishing Stu and everyone a Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year, regardless of political opinions.

@Dan

“I’m sure there are many here who have this view too. The UK government SHOULD reverse the law!”

Yes, indeed. I think it should for several reasons:

1. Because it does not represent the will of the majority of the people of Scotland. It has been forced through undemocratically, for the sake of vested interests other than those of the people of Scotland.

2. because this legislation is abhorrent, deliberately discriminates women

2. because, it might be unlawful. It sits on a farce of a consultation where people from outwith Scotland, for whom our parliament does not legislate, were allowed to take part.
In other words, they deliberately opened the door to external vested interests to actively interfere with our lawmaking process by trying to mask the real will of the people of Scotland.
That is disgustingly undemocratic and completely unacceptable. Personally I think a thorough investigation should be carried out of the parties involved to find out if there is a chance that external vested interests from outwith Scotland might have hijacked our democratic process to pass this thing against the will and against the interests of the people of Scotland.

3. This disgusting law was a deliberate provocation for Westminster, launched by negligent idiots on a power trip, with larger ego than common sense and who clearly treat the safety of women and children as disposable during their stupid political games.

From where I am sitting, everything points to the idea that it was specifically designed to, so Westminster mini-me could hand over moral and democratic legitimacy to Westminter by the back door to intervene, just like Sturgeon’s tacky charade of the English supreme court did.

It is beyond fascinating that only the tories, the party in control of the English as the uK gov, opposed to this. A coincidence too far? It is as fascinating as suspicious. It is also very suspicious that when labour, libdem and tories usually fall over themselves to team up and take control of the councils whenever possible, in this instance, labour and libdem sided with the SNP and against the tories in order to force this abhorrence through. It is obvious something else other than an interest in opening the door for perverts to enter female only safe spaces and deconstructing the concept of woman, is afoot.

“THEN we can get rid of the SNP”
Westminster will not get rid of the golden eggs goose. The SNP has become another innocuous political arm for the benefit of UK state, so why getting rid of it now that is finally towing the line? It does not make sense.

Getting rid of the SNP will be for the women of Scotland to do by hitting the spineless betraying cowards right where it hurts: their political careers and, by ejecting them from the seats they grew so used to, their bank accounts.

“THEN we should get independence”
If something has become clear is that “we should” not just get independence. We must GRAB it and with both hands and feet if needed. And grab it we will. We must terminate this union by ending the treaty and be done with it. Only then we will be able to bring to heel self-serving, unprincipled, undemocratic and unethical useless tools of the establishment like the current bunch using our seats in Holyrood and Westminster.

” If you support this that’s fine, but you are at best a de-facto unionist”

And here we go, more boring psychological blackmailing bullshit. It is truly pathetic to watch the level of cowardice that is attempting now to hide behind Scotland’s sovereignty when this shower of self-serving betrayers have been shredding and ignoring Scotland’s sovereignty at every opportunity for the last 8 years.

I have to say, I do not know what is more revolting, if the reprehensible actions of a band of self-serving, negligent idiots who think it is okay to abuse our parliament to deliberately endanger and undermine women and children, or the pathetic attempts to now hide their nauseating actions behind Scotland’s sovereignty.

No and one hundred times no. Seen intervention of Westminster on this instance does not make anybody a unionist. What makes somebody a unionist is to continue to support and indulge the relentless carrot dangling and actions against independence carried out by a political fraud who not only has abused our anti union majorities and pro independence votes to weld us more to the union and has wasted 8 years of our time destroying our political vehicle for independence. Now she has truly crossed the line by endangering women and children for her stupid political games, and that I am afraid is in a completely different level of failure and betrayal.

Supporting that level of betrayal and indulging it while this fake continues to push independence away from us is what makes you a unionist. So, please, stop hiding behind psychological blackmailing to justify the unjustifiable and to attempt to give the moral high ground to the morally repugnant. We had enough of psychological bullshit games for the last 8 fucking years.

“You don’t believe in the independence of the Scottish parliament”

That is correct. I do not believe the current parliament in Scotland is “independent” because to be independent each and every single one of those self-serving hypocrites occupying a seat there must see and treat it as an independent parliament instead of abiding like sheep by the Scotland Act and seeing it and treating it as an extension of Westminster and as a tool to pander to the interests of perverts and rapists instead of those of the people of Scotland.

But how on earth can that parliament be seen as independent when the so called Slabour, Slibdems and Stories see their parties not as Scottish parties but as branches of England’s ones, and when the HQ and the actual leaders of each of those are down in England rather than here?

And how can we possible see Holyrood as an independent parliament when the political fraud leading the SNP falls over herself at every opportunity she comes across to hand over legitimacy to England’s parliament and courts over the Scottish ones to interfere at their leisure with Scotland’s business?

So please don’t insult our intelligence by attempting to distract us with more flying pigs.

“Will you support independence when the chance to vote for it is actually given, by encouraging others to vote and putting your grievances aside. No matter how/when that vote is happening”

Your question is flawed. It is flawed because it is being built under a false premise. You claim “when the chance to vote for it is actually given”. That is a false premise. We have an opportunity to vote for independence as individuals at every single election. Every single one. The only thing we need is to either vote for a party that actually includes in its manifesto a mandate to terminate the treaty of union on winning the election, or spoil our ballot writing on it we are voting for the termination of the union.

Voting for independence or not is completely pointless until you have a political or civil vehicle that is willing to act upon it and repeal the treaty of union. At present, we have two potential vehicles in construction, Alba and SALVO.

“Do you agree that the UK should NOT be trying to repeal laws set in Scotland, despite the fact you disagree with that law”

It depends. If those laws are passed in the actual parliament of Scotland – the one reconvened by our MPs when they find the backbones to depart from the comforts of our allocated seats in WEstminter, and which is not restricted by the Scotland Act or any other law passed by Westminster- then absolutely, I most definitely agree Westminter should not, must not and CANNOT repeal those laws because it does no longer have any legitimacy to continue pretending it is acting on behalf of Scotland.

But if those laws are passed in the Westminster mini-me, restricted by the Scotland Act and overflowing with useful idiots of the Uk state, then hell no, I do not agree. I will only agree to that when those idiots occupying our seats in Holyrood start to see and treat that parliament as OUR parliament and not everybody else’s parliament. For as long as they continue to abide like Westminster’s minions by the Scotland Act, Holyrood is not Scotland’s parliament and it does not represent the interests of the Scottish people. It represents the interests of the crown and the UK state, and occasionally, like we seen in the last couple of days, the interests of perverts and rapists.

“But but Trans!”

Trans what?
Transparent, transport, transfixed, transformation, transatlantic, transposition, transfiguration, transfer, translucent, translation, trans… what?

What will be the next self-awarded appropriation by the back door of the vested interests behind the so called “trans” movement? Every effing word starting with the prefix trans?

I would like to ask you the following questions:

1. What was the real urgency for the SNP, Greens, Libdems and labour to pass this rapists and perverts’ enabling charter that is deliberately putting women and children at risk?

2. What vested interest has been instigating this abhorrent legislation and why?

3. Why haven’t the SNP MPs cut Sturgeon’s bullshit and S30 bluff at the roots by vacating our seats in WEstminster, temporarily reconvening Scotland’s old parliament, putting the Treaty of Union and Act of Union with England under temporary suspension, legislate for the referendum and hold it?
They have had sufficient majority to do this since 8th May 2015.
So why not?

4. How can be possible that 56, 35 and now 45 MPs are so scared of a pint size, PR product and fake of a leader? Who/what is giving her that level of power? Who/What has been in control of the SNP since 14 November 2014?

Take your time.

HatueyI vote vote for Cannibalism! Being an Islander sometimes like this week between Cal-Mac not sailing and the incompetence of the Co-op stock ordering system , you get tolk fighting in the Aisle for the wee Robin that habitually goes in to eat some bread rolls.
Even if you can get fresh produce there is a chance it will be off by the time you get home.
I asked a question on a local forum this week if like me the milk was going off well before sell by date.
One woman said she got home with a milk and it was off and another said two packs of butter she recently purchased were off.
Some folk have to make up to a forty mile return journey to get their shopping.
So Cannibalism is an option !

Mac says:
24 December, 2022 at 12:03 pm

People seeing this clip from around the world must be thinking what a fucked up weirdo little country Scotland has become that women with densely hairy front bottoms are flashing their own MSPs to demonstrate what a real woman looks like and not allow known rapists to be sent to female prisons.

All it will confirm to the rest of the world is that not only do we not play football like Brazil but we don’t wax like them either …

Your cartoons are always deceptively simple Chris and yet there is always a depth there worthy of comment. Take for example your use of the word ‘believe’ which effectively puts the idea of indyref2 as being no more than ‘pie in the sky’. Furthermore, a quick visit to the WGD site, puts this censorship in context, where there is not a single mention of recent ideological events. Yes, we are truly in the realms of Stalinist denial of certain scientific endeavours because they never fitted with the narrative of the era. You don’t believe that sex is binary, do you? Well, we’ll legislate against that and just Photoshop it out of existence. God! What a schmuck PK is for playing that party line! All contemptible.

It’s worth bearing in mind Sturgeon doesn’t give a fuck about public opinion – least of all Scottish public opinion .

Her real audience is her Prog gal pals eg Hilarious C , Jace The Mace A , Just-in-time Trudy ( honorary gal ) n the rest of the Nu World Ordure ” You’ll Do What We Fuckin’ Tell You ” Mob .

If/when the Tory Gov challenge this aberration Stoogeon will frame it as some heroic holy war against the forces of Repressive/Regressive Patriarchy , or some such studenty bollocks n , aye , that old movable feast n flexible now-you-see-it-now-you don’t chimera * Democracy * will be dragged from it’s narcotic catatonia and pressed into the defence of the indefensible

Robert Hughes says: 24 December, 2022 at 2:01 pm

Her real audience is her Prog gal pals eg Hilarious C , Jace The Mace A , Just-in-time Trudy ( honorary gal ) n the rest of the Nu World Ordure ” You’ll Do What We Fuckin’ Tell You ” Mob .

If/when the Tory Gov challenge this aberration Stoogeon will frame it as some heroic holy war against the forces of Repressive/Regressive Patriarchy , or some such studenty bollocks n , aye , that old movable feast n flexible now-you-see-it-now-you don’t chimera * Democracy * will be dragged from it’s narcotic catatonia and pressed into the defence of the indefensible

If the Tory Gov capitulates and ensure English legislation falls in line with those the Scottish government, which is possible, watch her prog pals disappear from the indy cause like snow off a dyke.

” If the Tory Gov capitulates and ensure English legislation falls in line with those the Scottish government, which is possible, watch her prog pals disappear from the indy cause like snow off a dyke.”

For sure , PacMan . Though they might hang around if they think they can persuade the geniuses @ ScotGov Inc to be the first country to lower the Age of Consent to 5 y.o . Respecting the rights and fully-formed wishes of toddlers is very important , doncha know ?

Regarding the Westminster government striking down this latest Holyrood legislation.

What they could do is say “you made your bed, now lie in it”. Not making any attempt to overrule it.

However they could then legislate that the Holyrood law would only have jurisdiction in Scotland. That’s how to bounce the problem back to source.

Imagine a gender certificate that was not valid for passports or driving licences.

I’ll believe in, and vote for Scottish independence until I take my last breath, as Alex Salmond said, The Dream Will Never Die.

This is what Sturgeon the betrayer thinks of our nurses, the Judas has the chutzpah to say the other day that she stood with the unions.

“Nurses and other NHS staff in Scotland are “furious” and intend to press on with strikes in the New Year after being told the Government’s latest pay offer will be imposed on them – despite being rejected.”

“The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) accused ministers of “ignoring” its members, who are pressing for a better deal despite other health unions accepting the offer.”

The GMB, meanwhile, said strike action by its members in the NHS – including those in the Scottish Ambulance Service – was now “almost inevitable”.

“Earlier this week, 82 per cent of RCN members voted to reject the deal, with dates for industrial action across the NHS due to be announced early in January.”

In a meeting with union leaders on Friday, Health Secretary Humza Yousaf told them that the pay offer would start to be implemented anyway.”

red sunset says: 24 December, 2022 at 2:38 pm

Regarding the Westminster government striking down this latest Holyrood legislation.

What they could do is say “you made your bed, now lie in it”. Not making any attempt to overrule it.

However they could then legislate that the Holyrood law would only have jurisdiction in Scotland. That’s how to bounce the problem back to source.

Imagine a gender certificate that was not valid for passports or driving licences.

As I had said, it makes sense for the Tories to weaponise this legislation for the next General elections .

All they need to do is play up the threat of a SNP/Labour coalition and the SNP pushing GRR as part of that deal. That will keep disillusioned Tory voters south of the border in line.

I know I had got caught up in the emotion of the Hollyrood Tories doing the right thing but they don’t run their party, it’s their masters in London. When their master calls, they fall in line.

“Vivian O’Blivion says:
24 December, 2022 at 2:43 pm

Identity Politics and Culture Wars are the means by which the Yanqui Security State and its Anglo poodle promote and exercise Atlanticist hegemony.”

Good post Vivian, and lets not forget the change agents placed into organisations, NGO’s and even governments to change minds to push agendas that the public don’t want, and haven’t voted for.

link to techtarget.com

Lol. Can people stop suggesting that I am James from scotgoespop. I’m definitely not. I don’t even have his writing style. I’ve argued with him a few times on twitter with things we disagree on. I don’t even know him. I do agree with him more than Stu though and I am a reader of his blog.

I also read wings even though I agree with Stu much less. But I can’t deny what Stu did for the campaign back in the day.

Anyway. I have to laugh at all the straw-manning going on here. They don’t even justify a response, but I will anyway.

“What about if they legalised cannibalism or killing babies or raping them..” For fuck sake. These things are not even related and I’m not sure why all your fucked up heads went there.

These policies would never happen so it’s absurd to even debate them and they are in no way related to what’s going on.

In some alternate reality if these things happened. There are many routes to fix it. Vote them out (if there is an election very shortly, obviously you couldn’t wait much longer than a week or so with these types of things in place) and preferably arrest them all afterwards too.

General strike indefinitely until reversed. Riot. Hostile takeover of government. I honestly don’t care what it would take to get rid of abhorrent laws like this. Preferably strict sanctions from other countries too.

But none of these are wishing for another country to change the laws for us. We need to change them ourselves.

But obviously these circumstances are so extreme it’s hard to imagine what you’d do, that’s why they are such stupid hypotheticals. Maybe I would want to be invaded, lol. But who cares. We are not there and nowhere near it.

So for all the strawmen out there. Hatuey, Merganser and I’d include Stu here too. What would you do if this gender law came into place after we were already independent? Would you vote to be not independent? Ask Westminster to do a hostile takeover? What’s your answer. I answered your absurd questions, so you can answer my simple one.

And if your answer is, we’d use democracy and of course we wouldn’t allow Westminster to decide. Then why is it different now?

Stuart REV

Please spare us from Dan dan 2s questions he’ll keep going on n on He’s a confuddle’d Sturgionite .

The sooner Jack/Badenock put this GRA/ GRR to Westminster the better the YES movement is to fractured to stop Sturgeon .

WISHING STU AND ALL THE GENUINE WINGERS ALL THE BESTEST .

And another question for the straw men. If 99% of the public wanted to abolish homosexuality. Do you think that law should be implemented.

Heard on the radio this morning Tory branch manager in Scotland Douglas Ross, say when asked who or what his thought were with this Christmas, the Tory puppet didn’t let me down he replied my thoughts are with the Royal family, C..mon, WTF.

His thoughts aren’t with the poor or homeless or those struggling to survive in this cost-of-living-in-the-union-crisis, or those kids that won’t get a Christmas present, nor those who can’t heat their homes, no this b*stards thoughts are with the billionaires with multiple homes that are cosseted daily.

Meanwhile the vile creature Shona Robinson said on the possibility of Westminster blocking the rapist and paedo enabling charter aka the GRRB.

“The bill as passed is absolutely within legislative competence and of course was backed by an overwhelming majority with support from all parties,” she said on BBC Radio Scotland on Friday.

“I think any attempt by the UK Government to undermine what is, after all, the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament, it will be vigorously contested by the Scottish Government.”

So, the rapist enabling SNP government will fight tooth and nail to allow rapists and paedos into women and children’s safe spaces, we must never vote for this lot again, they disgust me.

Vote for the Alba party, join the Alba party.

Also, Tommy (the trougher) Sheppard just can’t help himself here, any opportunity to finger point to make him and his SNP troughing MPs look good to us back home is jumped upon.

“SNP MP Tommy Sheppard has said this is yet another “outrageous” bid from the UK Government to “undermine” devolution, something he claims is becoming a common theme.

He said: “No matter what your view is on the gender reform bill, this is quite outrageous from the UK Government.”

First up is the SNP MPs we need to make sure they are not re-elected they’ve done f*ck all to further the indy cause, lets make sure that wannabe Speaker of the House Pete Wishart is turfed out on his ear for good.

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link to 12ft.io

Abolish homosexuality? That’s like abolishing red hair.

Sarah I think Stu will see the message on the main thread & Yes Chris Cairns does a great job as for Santa being like Gareth GB he’s never had a beard that long .

PacMan, I understand that Westminster can probably legally overrule some things we do. That’s the law. I say from a moral standpoint I disagree with this. Basically I believe in independence so it’s understandable that I get annoyed when things happen that are the opposite of that.

Like getting tory governments we don’t vote for. People have been making that argument for decades and you didn’t say then: “Oh good sir, I don’t think you understand how devolution works, of course the torys can rule over us, that’s the law”. Yes they can, the point is. I don’t like that.

Lame argument.

Sums it up perfectly Chris

Lenny Hartley says:
24 December, 2022 at 1:20 pm

So Cannibalism is an option

Have you read
Alive: The True Story of the Andes Survivors by
Piers Paul Read

There’s also a film. Might be on Netflixs

Check it out it might be better than watching
Santa Claus-The Movie, The Sound of Music, Love Actually & the Queens Speech.

I don’t think it’s a transphobic movie but it might be. Better check the list if you are worried about that sort of thing.

Hey do we know if turkeys have been self-iding as human?

Nice. My posts are being deleted now. This will be my last post. If I’m not wanted it’s fine I’ll go somewhere else. Just trying to have a debate and people are just going mental. Okay I used a sensationalist tactic to get a response from Stu but it’s only because I’m worried about the movement moving forward.

Last thing I’ll say is what I said in my last post which was in response to Republicofscotland. Yes. It is whataboutery pish. I was trying to play some folks here at their own game who were using strawmen arguments against me. Like “would you want Westminster to interfere if the SNP allowed child sacrifice” etc etc.

I am just playing them at their own game with a far less ridiculous comparison.

Anyway. I’ll go back to writing my scotgoespop blog /s

Happy Christmas everyone.
The fight continues.

youz’re even

OK, sick of the random pre-moderation now. I’ll leave BTL for those who can stomach it.

Festive Season champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends!

See you on the other side hopefully.