The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Positive-case-for-the-Union update #12

Posted on February 09, 2012 by

(See here for the whole story.)

Like most people, we don’t pay a lot of attention to anything the Scottish Lib Dems say these days. But we always enjoy the reliably-petulant blusterings of their Nat-hating former leader Tavish Scott, if only because they never fail to bring to mind this picture from election night in May 2011. So we were sure to click on his column in today’s Scotsman, and thereby joined the tiny elite group who got to see these words:

There is a desperate need to say why Scotland is better, stronger and more united as part of the UK. Make the case. Get the pro-Scotland in the UK side on the pitch and let battle commence.

Now, we’re pretty sure Tavish is on that side. So we’re a little mystified as to why he didn’t just go ahead and make said case himself, rather than demanding that his team-mates did it. (Appropriately to his analogy, it’s a bit like the current Scotland rugby squad – nobody seems to want to take on the responsibility of picking the ball up and heading for the try-line, because they don’t appear to believe they can do it.)

Maybe he forgot, or a sub-editor deleted it by mistake, or perhaps he’d used up all his word count wittering on about Rembrandt and Canoletto to no obvious purpose for the first half of the article. We don’t know. All we know is, we’re still waiting.

———————————————————————————————-
TIME ELAPSED: 32 years, 0 months
ACTUAL SIGHTINGS OF POSITIVE CASE FOR UNION TO DATE: 0

———————————————————————————————-

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

11 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Shirley

I've just discovered your site, and think it's a great. Today's piece about Tavish Scott is excellent. How can't people see that asking others to produce a pro-union case, while failing to do so themselves, is tantamount to admitting there isn't one? 

Morag

I think I read this page before, but I came across it again today.  Have you covered it in one of your earlier posts?
 
State Papers on Scotland: Devolution: Economic Advantages to Scotland of the Union
 

Apart from generalities, the most promising line seems to me to be the argument that Scotland has done reasonably well out of the Union in her times of troubles and ought not to break it now that she has better prospects. This argument, if it can be established with convincing detail, will be a forceful one
 

Dated 19th May 1975.  That seems to have been the best they had then, and the best they still have.

An Duine Gruamach

Tavish isna faur aff : "desperate" is the richt wurd!

douglas clark

Just mentioned your site on Al Jazeera. It is fascinating that no unionist has made a case for us lot staying in their union. It is a telling point that you make here.
Best wishes

Shodan

@Morag
 
That has to be the most feeble and half hearted sounding case I've heard yet for something. And this is what they had planned to puff up and make a big deal out of? They are desperate indeed if that's all they had up their sleeves.

Morag

There's a subtext, back there in the 1970s, and quite explicit in the McCrone report, that Scotland should be well treated and allowed to benefit from the oil bonanza.  The thinking being that a country which was tangibly better-off as a result of the Union's management of the resource would be unlikely to pursue independence.
 
That might have worked, if it had been done.  But it wasn't.  The money was used in England for vanity projects like the Channel Tunnel, Portcullis House, the M25, the Jubilee Line and so on.  And in Scotland to pay the unemployment benefits necessitated by Thatcher's deindustrialisation of Scotland.  That's right, our oil revenues were used to turn us into a nation of subsidy junkies and benefit claimants.
 
That's water under the bridge.  They've pissed the first 40 years of our oil revenues into the gutter, damn the lot of them.  We need to do everything we can to stop them doing the same thing with the next 40 years.  And the 40 years after that.

John White

Sorry for going off topic, but Alan Cochrane is going back to his favorite bete noire
link to telegraph.co.uk

Morag

Bile.  That's something he would know about, of course.

Shodan

I like how Cochrane is claiming that the SNP cannot handle dissent, despite the fact that they have put up with outright hostility in all media, including the BBC and ridiculous insults from politicians and hosts on TV.
 
Cochrane saying someone cannot handle dissent…that will be the man who was still deleting comments about his hypocrisy and links to here on a certain article not so long ago?

Jen

I am sick of these politicians passing the buck to someone else to make the positive case for union.  As a previous poster says, its cos their aint one.
I would love to see Salmond v Cameron in a show titled " Positive Case for the Union"  he would wipe the flloor with that tory PM
 
SAOR ALBA
 


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a (mainly) Scottish political media digest and monitor, which also offers its own commentary. (More)

    Stats: 6,684 Posts, 1,207,460 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Geri on Where We Stand Now: “Aye, ye cannie serve two masters. Pick a nationality FFS lol it’s not difficult. Maybe he can give us the…Jan 6, 02:41
    • Geri on Once more around: “All the bureaucracy & extended government was brought in under Thatcher, a conservative government, with her endless reorganising of things…Jan 6, 02:08
    • twathater on Where We Stand Now: “You are more forgiving than me Geri, it takes some form of mental illness for these clowns to believe that…Jan 6, 01:56
    • Geri on Once more around: “Jordan Patterson, who is against Scottish independence & breaking up the UK, sitting there talking about Canada’s wealth & natural…Jan 6, 01:10
    • Peter McAvoy on Where We Stand Now: “I appreciate your sarcasm.Jan 6, 00:59
    • Cynicus on Where We Stand Now: ““Nobody remotely connected with reality is buying the nativist snake oil.” ===== Don’t be unkind. In this postmodern age there…Jan 6, 00:37
    • Shug on Where We Stand Now: “Can you name the plants that drafted this nonplan. We need to list the kompromatsJan 5, 23:52
    • gregor on Where We Stand Now: “The video I posted in response to your post, appears to have vanished from my feed (hopefully just a glitch…Jan 5, 23:45
    • gregor on Once more around: “Cheers Fearghas. Informative video. re. “So many issues discussed are common to Scotland.” Without doubt.Jan 5, 23:30
    • gregor on Where We Stand Now: “Patriot: “A person who loves their country and, if necessary, will fight for it.”: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/patriot #LoveYouScotlandJan 5, 23:12
    • gregor on Where We Stand Now: “Medium: The Relationship Between Personal Beliefs And Reality, Reality And Personal Reality: “Reality as we know it seems to have…Jan 5, 22:56
    • Geri on Where We Stand Now: “You aren’t a Scot. You’re a British nationalist. I expect unionists will move to what’s left of their mother ship.…Jan 5, 22:43
    • Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh on Once more around: “This interview with Pierre Poilievre suggests what a post-Trudeau Canada might look like. So many issues discussed are common to…Jan 5, 22:42
    • Geri on Where We Stand Now: “They’re not interested in Independence. If they had 99% of the entire electorate voting for them they’d still bottle it.…Jan 5, 22:21
    • gregor on Once more around: “Toronto Sun (2025): Mississauga mayor says radical Islam conference not welcome: “While scheduled to be held Jan. 18, so far…Jan 5, 22:19
    • David Hannah on Where We Stand Now: “Only Alex Salmond’s family, can deliver justice for Scotland by exposing criminal conspirator Nicola Sturgeon and her partner in crime,…Jan 5, 22:07
    • Andy Ellis on Where We Stand Now: “Why would they magically do this now having not done so before? It’s the elephant in the room for the…Jan 5, 22:01
    • Campbell Clansman on Where We Stand Now: “After 30+ years of agitating, only 18% of eligible Scottish voters voted for Indy parties in 2024.Jan 5, 22:00
    • Mia on Where We Stand Now: ““The layers of deception are beginning to peel off” Absolutely. I agree 100% on the above. What I am not…Jan 5, 21:50
    • Young Lochinvar on Once more around: “Once Branchform is done, and if there is any justice, the NuSNP will be truly finished- dead on the altar…Jan 5, 21:49
    • Geri on Where We Stand Now: “The West is a minority. They have the biggest mouth, for now, due to coercion & illegal sanctions but that’s…Jan 5, 21:34
    • alan scott on Where We Stand Now: “As a twat and a piece of despicable scum who does not support breaking up the United Kingdom you tell…Jan 5, 21:30
    • Geri on Where We Stand Now: “Everyone except the G7.Jan 5, 21:27
    • James Gardner on Where We Stand Now: “The fact that there is a large number of non-voting electorate yet the SNP still trying to get so called…Jan 5, 21:16
    • gregor on Where We Stand Now: “Express it allJan 5, 21:14
    • gregor on Where We Stand Now: “Sorry to disappoint you, Evil_c #FreedomJan 5, 21:13
    • Aidan on Where We Stand Now: “Could you provide me with a list of countries who are highly regarded on the International stage?Jan 5, 21:04
    • Aidan on Where We Stand Now: “Don’t be so dismissive, those 186 votes could easily affect the outcome of a parish council election. Causes that enjoy…Jan 5, 21:00
    • Geri on Where We Stand Now: “The delusion is strong in you. The UK is a joke on the international stage & they know all too…Jan 5, 20:49
    • willie on Where We Stand Now: “Away with ye Peter McAvoy. Stripping the pensioners of the winter heating allowance is a wizard idea. If they are…Jan 5, 20:46
  • A tall tale



↑ Top
141
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x