Wings Over Scotland

What a fine collection of kings. Every one a trailblazer… And a hero.

A new and amazing biography of MLK just came out. Just called ‘King’. A corker.

The bloke with the placard has been on the deep fried Mars Bars.

What a missed opportunity!

Taking the mic in the best possible way.

A one two three four…

# You can shove your coronation up your arse #

Shlomo..Hi,

Lets make the protest embarrassingly ethnic, for the republican Guardian.

NAE MAISTERIS, NAE KINGIS…
GUN MAIGHSTIREAN, GUN RIGHREAN…

How dare those Jocks queer our pitch!

One House Jock politician sticking another House Jock politician in, as Scots pay through the nose for the foreign monarchs pretendy coronation in Scotland, the costs for the mock/fiasco coronnation in Scotland was willingly paid for by the NuSNP government at our expense.

Get the SNP/Greens out and Alba in, the current SNP are not a party for indy anymore, they now compliment the fifth column branch office parties of London that squat in Holyrood which have a foreign governments interests closest to their hearts.

Scotland can NEVER progress as long as we’re held against our will in this undemocratic prison of a union.

Down with the union.

As SNP MPs, and our FM, urge the millionaire knight of the realm and leader of the Labour party (Anas Sarwar’s boss there is no Scottish Labour) not to let further privatisation of the NHS occur, Starmer was proposing at PMQs, it turns out that privatisation is well under way in Scotland via the NuSNP as £130 million was spent sending patients to private hospitals in Scotland.

Lovely take on not my king. Do think Alba is electable so many want independence, no trident and a Republic.
Just look at non media pics of the crowd on Wednesday on Royal Mile.
There was none.

Re my previous comment on the LEZ, and what a money making scheme it is for the GCC.

link to glasgowtimes.co.uk

Captain Yossarian,

Why would supporting policies that command majority support in Scotland (no nukes, republic) make ALBA unelectable?

JockMcT @10:04 am

Last line of your verse…

Prince Harry’s not his son.

Comments here seem to have gone slightly off topic but another great toon from Chris and nice to see Kenny in the hoops once more

Scotsrenewables – Dan goes on at great length on these pages about Scotland’s wealth of hydrocarbons and renewables. Why the SNP have never done any real work on this subject is anyone’s guess but when Alba finally produce a paper on it, they may be on to a winner. I understand that is now underway. Only then should they start on nuclear weapons, the monarchy and all the rest of it. There are respected figures within Alba, but they need to start explaining the benefits of independence to the public.

*Should Scotland be an independent Country?* Yes/No

That’s the only question ppl are asked.

Not

Nukes
Trans
The monarchy

That’d be for the majority to decide & an newly elected government to implement.
We’d be like Switzerland -we could hold public opinion referendums every now & again.. democracy in action.

Personally, why would Scotland want to hold onto an unelected king from another country? The Scots would be returning to an independent sovereign nation – why on earth would we want to maintain someone else’s?!!
He is no more important to us or useful, or to an indy Scot, than a King found out in Elleore. Aye, exactly! I’d to Google too lol!

Captain Yossarian says:

Based ust from what I hear by various experts -they are hogtied by bureaucracy, an unwilling/instructed civil service & planted meddlers.

Nothing happens in Holyrood without the great overlord, the Secretary of Scotland, knowing about it.

Holyrood is a mini Westminster. They’re only allowed to do what Westminster says they can through jackass.

They can’t have success cause that’ll get the natives thinking. Even Alex said the only way around that in Holyrood was soft leaning indy put into positions & as we all know, Sturgeon filled her roles with staunch unionists cause she’d never any plans for us to be going anywhere soon.

Does that make them unelectable? Most would say it doesn’t, but on a purely practical level where vote numbers count for everything, it probably does…

There was a time I might have agreed with you. Back in 2014, there was very much a sense of priority; Independence first, everything else later.

It made sense.

But now, I don’t think there is any prospect whatsoever for another 2014 style referendum, and furthermore, I have doubts about ALBA’s future in any UK electoral protocol.

Regards a referendum, “They” don’t want it, because all their cheats and lies are busted, and if we’ve any sense, we don’t want it either, because we’d be compromised by the protocols and franchise of a 2014 style ballot.

To get a binary vote thatconstitutes a binding resolution on Independence will, I think, need to be Constitutionally derived, and in my opinion, might be a ratification plebiscite held in the wake of “something” more radical, such as declaring the Treaty of Union breached and at an end, pending dissolution negotiations.

To be frank, having seen all the spivs, weirdos, Trans Loonies and gravy slurpers who’ve attached themselves to the SNP, an “all inclusive” Indy campaign is already giving me the dry boak.

“IF” they’re Independence supporters, they’ll vote in that plebiscite, but we cannot allow these bellends to steer or manage the primary campaign.

The thing about the Royalists specifically, is that Claim of Right issue, which simply doesn’t sit well with the UK interpretation of monarchy.

Furthermore, I strongly suspect loyalty to the royalty was a Queen Elizabeth thing… Charlie boy and his adulterous queen just ain’t “got it”, and neither has whatshisface the heir.

Right now, I’m watching two things… SALVO, and that man Salmond. Whatever happens, they’ll be near the epicentre of unfolding events.

Not only is the 2014 style rhetoric sounding dated, but even the “Settling Up not settling down” rhetoric feels like a busted flush which the SNP busted themselves.

Edinburgh seems to have an unhealthy obsession with fences.

Is it the capital city of Scotland or a no go area unless you’ve an admission fee? They’re such an eyesore.

@Breeks

It is Crony Nationalism, the same as Crony Capitalism and Crony Communism. The same as anywhere else in which cronyism is practiced anyone not in the club is going to be out in the cold and marginalised and if they are not on message and have the gall to vocalise their concerns they will be smeared. In the sphere of politics activists posing as journalists are more than happy to do that.

What do you think of the idea that the SNP was deliberately scuttled to get Labour back into power in Scotland? Labour has the same cronyism, ingroups, factionalism and reality defying concepts such as Women Have Penises as the SNP but this will be ignored and it will be back to business as usual.

Belter!
Must copy and send to my unionist, royalist acquaintances (both of ’em)

If Labour rise in Scotland will it be the deviant Greens abandoning the SNP & latching onto their next host?

I Canty see indy supporters voting labour. It dumfounds me 40% claim to be indy but vote for a unionist party that’s stiffed Scotland more times than the Tories!

I second that first comment by Dan @ 12:21 pm. LOL! 😉
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OK, Chris, you’ve got me flummoxed. I got all the rest but who’s the big guy with the placard? Or has the point just flew completely right over my head?

Re Beauvais, I am indeed a Scottish Nationalist and republican.

I share Geri’s view that a future referendum/election should be YES/NO to Independence, without the “complications” of monarchy, nuclear weapons, trans etc. That is just giving opponents of Independence a further weapon to shoot at YES campaigners.

I rest my case.

Geri

There’s strong move to pretend everything in the UK is like it was in the 1990s – the reliable swing back and fore between Labour and the Conservatives; no tension, or at least not much, with the EU; everybody going about their business; a somewhat-loved Royal family and generally everything jolly. The UK version of a place for everyone and everyone in their place. Too bad the world has moved on and a lot has changed.

It’s the proverbial ostrich syndrome. Both Labour and Conservatives are jamming on the rose-tinted glasses and hoping that if everyone ignores the problems maybe they’ll simply go away.

Geri,

The other 2 are B.B.King and Martin Luther King Jr.

Also before our time. LOL!

Geri,

Do Scots want a vote on joining a political and trade treaty of union with Englands parliament?

That should be the only question.

It has never been asked yet.

Scots are not in the treaty, perhaps that is Why Charlie faked a coronation, The Scots, were not asked if they wanted to join the treaty of union,

If you want to discover why ?

You will find the explanation on UK parliament Site, 2023.

James Che.

“The charade with King Charles visit to Edinburgh is another example, where every effort will be made to present Charles as already King of Scotland. This has been bizarrely welcomed by the First Minister, despite him knowing that Charles has not sworn the Scottish oath and is therefore not the King in Scotland. A title that does not legally exist. Our monarch is titled King of Scots and it requires a pledge to acknowledge and respect the sovereignty of the Scottish people and a solemn promise to protect the rents and privileges on behalf of the people. Without it he is no Monarch of Scots or Scotland.Charles cannot swear this oath as it would expose the crime of our oil and gas, our renewables all being stolen from the sovereign people of Scotland to fill Westminster’s coffers, all following on from the “Union of the Crowns in 1603”, an event that never happened. A myth that enables the Crown to seize all Scotland’s assets. All that happened was that Scotland’s King also became King of England. A single monarch but with two crowns, not one. ”

We can be certain of this for two reasons, firstly neither the Monarch or Parliament ever held the power to make deals involving the Scottish crown. They never owned it in the first place. Secondly think about it, this was happening 104 years BEFORE the Treaty of Union. There was no United Kingdom. Scotland and England were separate independent countries. Why would an Independent Scotland surrender the Crown of Scotland?

“Ask yourself if the Crowns were United and the Scottish Crown extinguished why are there two Crown Offices? The Crown Office in England and Wales stops at the border and a separate Crown Office in Scotland is required to administer Scotland’s wealth. They can’t even call it the Scottish Crown Office because it’s necessary to maintain the ruse that Scotland’s Crown does not exist. But exist it does because legally in terms of International law the UK is not a “ voluntary union” but in practice an illegal annexation by England of Scotland’s resources.”

“They have no choice but to have two Crown offices because they need different rules to enable the theft to operate. In England the Monarch has the rights over every asset. This cannot be challenged but in Scotland these assets belong to the Sovereign people of Scotland. So they created a separate “Crown Office in Scotland” supposedly acting like a trustee on behalf of the people and it is this which they use to illegally plunder our resources.”

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Chris left out the Burger King unless that’s the guy holding the sign.

Another CRACKER Chris, on the subject topic CHUCKY big ears is NOT MY KING, and useless YOUSELESS is NOT MY FM

SRU.

What the fk were they thinking? I truly despair about the running of “Scottish” Rugby. How much lower can they sink?

BTW Breeks I think I was alongside you for a wee bit of the march in Stirling…

Double or quits for Ayr? 😉

I don’t know Ayr at all, but I think I can get there…

Geri.

The Scots were not asked to join the treaty of union, you will find this info on UK parliament site 2033.
The territory of Scotland is not in the treaty of union,
If the Scots and Scotland are not in the treaty of union….what do we need a referendum for.

Both parliaments ceased to be, and therefore were unable to join a parliamentary union.

The old parliament of England did not sign a treaty of union with the GB parliament before it ceased.

The old parliament of Scotland did not sign a treaty of union with the GB parliament prior to it ceasing.

The ratifications were made under domestic law of each parliament respectively before both ceased and closed, neither therefore was capable of being converted into the law of a international treaty.

Neither parliament respectively can be challenged with breach of treaty of the union in law now. But both Countries have retained their kingdoms as the parliament of GB is based upon a mythical entity and false entrant as a governing parliament.

The monarch is not our king,
The Westminster government is claiming to be under a international treaty but actually does not exist other than by a promise in lieu from two parliament that ceased to exist over three hundred years ago,
Both these ceased parliaments did not sign a treaty with the GB parliament, it exist under “self proclamation”

@Dan 6:09 pm
I still know what to write. Scotland is more than the machinations of a single political party. Perhaps I should give it to the Labour Party. They have declared they are in favour of a return of utilities to public ownership. I am thinking brown paper bags and not being able to break out of them. Here is what I think Labour will win the next General Election and the next Scottish Election. And then a follow-up campaign victory in each Parliament. 10 years away for us. Why help them?

@ George Ferguson

Labour talk of returning the utilities into public ownership, oh aye jist like they were going to abolish the House of Lords… You actually trust them to deliver in any meaningful form and don’t just think it’s carrot waving.

But why give or tie your proposal to any political Party as they are all either corrupted or unable to get any decent exposure. Any threat to established power and the status quo can be nullified and removed. Have we forgotten Corbyn, Salmond, and Whiteman so soon…
When you floated the idea you were going to put something together re. the utilities I suggested you contact Common Weal or Robin McAlpine to put your heads together as there would undoubtedly be some alignment on certain elements of any proposals, but also because it would distance the proposal from Party political involvement for exactly the reasons re. the monarchy which are now tainting your motivation to continue with it.

I’ve said for a good while now that party politics is the problem what with the electorally successful Parties being captured, or just stacked full of careerist zoomers who apparently don’t seem to have a clue about the real trials and tribulations so many folks in our society have to endure in their lives.

You could put your proposal out there and then it could be supported by a load of decent non-Party affiliated independent local candidates to run with. Seriously, who with any integrity or political nous would stand for a Party these days when the Parties are either totes shit, or have been tainted so badly by the very obvious machinations of the mainstream media influencing the masses.

Talk of ten years is too far away imo. There will be even less viable contingencies to re-build what is left of Scotland by then as the selling off or depletion of our assets and resources continues apace. Add in the ageing demographics / low birth rate, and the not insignificant rest of UK immigration also in the mix, it will mean Scotland will just be a hollowed out shell of what it once was. End game colonisation effectively complete.

Alf Baird,

We have to remember that anyone behaving in this manner, is under the English legislating colonial sub parliament to Scotland,

It is a case of self anointing.

As is the self proclamation of a Great British parliament.

It is the Scots that are to dumb at this moment in time. To recognise that the Westminster parliament is openly telling them

1: that Scots were not to get a vote on joining the treaty of union because they would vote NO.

2: that the Scottish parliament was extinguished in 1707 from the treaty of union.

3: with one parliament extinguished there can be no “international treaty” of union.

4: give Scotland a Sub parliament the same as devolved regions of England.

Talk about being openly mocked by the Westminster colonial governing body holding NO international treaty with Scots or Scotland while we beg for a referendum of them like idiots.
Not whispered behind the palm of a hand, but in plain site for the whole world to read,

We have to be the slowest nation in the world on independence while the magnitude of what we are being told is right before our eyes. And the eyes of the world, easily accessible on UK parliament site in 2023.

King of Scots? Who Charlie?

Excepts Scots were denied a vote in joining the treaty of union, after it was discussed by the commissioners and politicians in 1707, because it was thought the Scots would say No,

So Charlie is not king of Scots,
He just king of England, annexed Wales and part of Ireland,

The old Scottish parliament ceased to be and was extinguished in England,
So again not king of Scots or Scotlands territorial realm.

Andy W questions Royal ownership of Holyrood property, two parts –

link to andywightman.scot

James Che,

no King of Scots was ever confirmed by a popular vote.

Stop making things up.

@Dan 7:15pm
I remember your call for the Common Weal or Robert McAlpine sharing, unfortunately if I go on their website I have to donate to access Common Weal. How many years has Robert McAlpine got in public utilities?. Their think tank I wouldn’t pay tuppence for. There is a growing industry that have made money from Scottish Independence the wee ginger dug, Ruth wishart, people selling books. It’s cost me, being an Independence supporter. Financially, time, emotion, and effort. After my holidays I will start it up again and give the paper to Stu. A trustworthy source.

ASA

That’s a fanciful tale.

So Who is Chucky & why the two coronations?

Dan 7:15

Excellent idea regards approaching Common Weal & McAlpine.
That’s what I would do.

My house used to be the gardeners house for a big joint two doors away. It’s the size of a castle, designed by Greek Thompson and built in 1855.

It’s just changed hands for the first time in about 50-years and the new owner has invited me to take a look around the place a few times now.

The roof is fascinating. Ballaculish slates which are very thick and hard. It’s not perfect but most of it is pretty much perfect.

There are leaks all over the place but that is due to the leadwork wearing thin over time and cracking.

It’s got a lift which is powered by water, so that water fills a tank and the weight of the tank of water drops down and the lift rises up.

Fireplaces everywhere, even in hallways. 18No in total.

Interestingly, even although my house is a honky-tonk compared to this place, some things are the same – the stair balustrade, vestibule tiling and things like that.

Anyway, the roofer was telling me that in 1855, when this place was built, that was when Ballachulish was cutting the best slate and transporting it all over the world. I think it finally closed about a century later because sea water was flooding the pits and the slate was becoming poorer in quality due to pyrite.

One of the army NCOs doing the ushering at Wimbledon centre court this evening had OTT military mustachios like Kitchener. The imperial cult takes a long time to fade. A bit like radiation I suppose.

Maybe this guy served with ASA and was a first class chap.

#NotOurKing is really taking the mick now. Not content with giving his missus the Garter of the Thistle he is found to have purloined Holyrood Palace for his own personal property! Holyrood belongs to us….the sovereign people….he has stolen it. link to grousebeater.wordpress.com

“The act of union is piffle”

Indeed it is.

“legally in terms of International law the UK is not a “ voluntary union” but in practice an illegal annexation by England of Scotland’s resources.”

I doubt the ICJ would recognise the Treaty of Union if pushed, Scots had no vote on it, Scotland was coerced and under duress with a English army in Edinburgh at the time and another English army waiting at the border. The union was opposed by all the churches and burghs in Scotland.

At the time the illegal/undemocratic union was being forced upon Scots, At the time the Treaty of Union was signed in 1707 Scotland had no debt whilst England’s national debt was £18 million.

@Dan 8:33pm
Thanks for your reply. Robert is not one of my peer group. His website might be free but Common Weal isn’t. I still await on his record of competence in public utilities. My record is mounted on the Battery Point Power Station. Winning team leader out 0f 3000 teams. The Sir Michael Joughin Trophy. I received the award from the penultimate Governor of Hong Kong.Still I am a principled Independence supporter despite the money makers and grifters.

msdidi @8:41 pm

Looks like Not My King has been My King money at the expense of the Scottish public purse.

msdidi

I’m at the stage now that I believe that Scots would allow England to steal just about anything they wanted from Scotland and Scots and Scots would just shrug their shoulders and grumble a wee bit to themselves then move on. What a cowed and sorry bunch the Scots have become.

“Following all of the publicity and questions about there ownership of the Palace of Holyroodhouse, it came as something of a surprise to discover that in April 2019, a title to Holyroodhouse had been recorded in the Land Register on behalf of “Her Majesty the Queen and Her Royal Successors”. On 21 December 2022, the owners was amended to His Majesty King Charles III and His Royal Successors.” [tilte here and plan here].

“This was the first ever recorded title to Holyroodhouse. There is no suggestion that ownership was being registered “in right of the Crown” as public property. The form of words used implies the personal ownership of the Sovereign despite the fact that Section 4 of the Crown Private Estates Act 1862 prohibits such personal ownership unless vested in Trustees (which is how Balmoral Estate for example is owned).”

Not that long ago the people of Sri Lanka stormed their governments building fed up with lies deceit and corruption they got active. The French, well we can only dream about being as active as they are, they have what we lack courage and determination they act when its needed.

Even the much oppressed Palestinian people who are in a worse predicament than we are, have the courage to act and have been doing so for over 70 years.

I used to wonder at what point Scots would rise up and say enough is enough, that there was red line that would see Scots take action and say, that it no more, but I’ve come to realise that there isn’t a red line, and Scots will swallow all manner of shite piled on them by the English government.

RoS,

the ICJ haven’t the jurisdiction to rule on the Act of Union. It’s an internal matter within one state.

A Scot Abroad said; “there is no sovereignty of the Scottish people. That’s an ancient concept removed by the Act of Union in 1707.”

That’s a supremely asinine statement even for a smugly abusive git like you, ASA!

No-one and no body involved in negotiating, signing or ratifying the Treaty had any authority remotely high enough to remove the sovereignty of the Scots from them without their consent, and transfer it to a foreign body. Not the Scottish nor English commissioners, not Queen Anne in either of her monarchies, and not either of the old Parliaments.

It just never happened; you made it up because that’s all you know how to do. If the facts don’t fit (if you even know them), just make suitable ones up and rely on bluster and insults to try and cow us into accepting your endless tripe. But a lot of us know better.

“There is now only the sovereignty of the United Kingdom, whose peoples, wherever in the U.K. they live, get votes at a general election.”

More lies! The sovereignty of the UK is a myth. The only verified sovereignty is that of the Scots, and the sovereignty of England used to reside in its old parliament, if only for about 18 years before it ended when it was replaced by the parliament of Great Britain in the same building; there was no transfer of its sovereignty to the new GB Parliament, because it never occurred to anybody to conduct a formal transfer of its sovereignty to the new one before the old one died. Oh, dear, how sad, never mind. No use crying over spilt milk, eh?

So, guess what? Westminster did exactly what you do, just made up a story that the new parliament is just a continuation of the old parliament so of course it’s sovereign. But that’s a flat out lie, because that isn’t what happened, as Carwyn Jones pointed out to the Welsh parliament a few years ago. But even if that sovereignty was somehow transferred, it could only ever cover the kingdom of England, and not the UK. So you’re still stuffed.

@Captain Yossarian
Polling has shown that supporting the monarchy is now a distinctly minority pursuit in Scotland. So your ideas are bogus.

Xaracen,

there’s stuff all in the ancient guff about the Scots people being their own sovereign. Never written down, never voted upon. No basis in reality, apart from fables.

It’s meaningless. And for over 300 years, not ever questioned that the UK is the sovereign power.

RoS

Fear not. Come divvy up time Scotland will be compensated for everything that’s been stolen & land & property will be returned to its rightful owners, Scotland.

Reparations will be demanded.

& Dumbza, the serf boy, his *political career* is below gutter, right down there with Pisharts. He’ll struggle even to win a gig writing the TV guide in the fanzine.

I missed where he gave SNP colleagues an ultimatum to love Nicola or for them to stand down – wtf?!
What a great idea & with it lose a majority if enough of them accept his challenge. A vote of no confidence later & *poof* he’ll be gone – he can keep the kilt!
Also missed yet more powers stripped from their membership – they can no longer vote a deputy leader.

This farce will soon be over when the handcuffs start being issued. All the planets are aligning & it looks like they’ll start to come thick & fast.

In the meantime if he does just one more thing royal related he’ll be run out of Scotland. Can he not read the room ffs!?

A great cartoon.

Actually, thinking about it..

If he didn’t take the full oath to Scotland then he can’t open parliament & no one can swear an oath to him before sitting because he is only an English king & Westminster is a GB parliament ..

That’ll be awkward? If he didn’t take the oath to Scotland then there’s no United Kingdom’s & that parliament is now only an English one.

Geri,

I’m here because the utter shite that your echo chamber creates needs to be called out.

Dan,

Regarding slate, it’s because the the cost is seen purely as financial and the energy required to move things around is kind of discounted, I think. Because you can buy cast terracotta roof tiles from a builders’ merchant for less than more locally-sourced slates, no matter where they’ve been manufactured.

@Northcode 11:59

Intrinsic to the Dunning-Kruger effect is the realisation that anybody choosing to deploy it must also accept that they may unwittingly be subject to it.

It’s a real paradox, and thus smart people won’t deploy it. Very likely that if they do, it will rebound on them, or in other words, blow up in their face.

Whoopsee!

A Scot Abroad says: at 11:40 pm

“I’m here because the utter shite that your echo chamber creates needs to be called out.”

Au contraire! You’re actually only on here bumping your gums because Scotland provides England with enough energy to keep your computer running. 😉
It’s leeches like you that are draining Scotland. You regularly say nae cunt would need Scottish leccy coz of ohm’s law pish, and that they can make it themselves anyway; So chop chop old chap, get yer arse off t’internet, grab some of those squaddie mates, and go build some generation infrastructure in lovely old England instead of being a parasitic drain on Scotland.

A Scot Abroad @ 11:40 pm

“utter shite”

As is your ‘contribution’, every time. Everybody kens it tae.

It’s marching season. He’s probably busy collecting pallets at the mo. They’re the only eejits who love a foreign king they’ll never meet.

Way down in the deepest heart of Norfolk, lived a man, a Scottish man, who gave the best years of his life to the British Army, serving with distinction in multiple theatres of war, leading by example, a true believer in the army leadership code, all the while knowing that army life and army discipline together have the effect of setting a man above his peers. With higher rank, such a man might think he has earned the respect of his fellow soldiers, who might see in him the calm steady rational demeanour of a type of Scot that only art can truly capture, like Gordon Jackson for example, not as leader (that would not do at all) but as the dependable second-in-command in the Great Escape…what our man in Norfolk won’t know is that when he’s absent, his buddies, his comrades, his soldiers will impersonate him, not as Jackson, but as Ives, wee 5 foot 4 Ives…(coyly) oh Cooler King…what did ye study in college, physical education?…(simpers)…oh Hilts, thae were the days, some of those Saturday nights in towns such as Musselburgh and Hamilton, huh huh, you had to fight off the birds, you know…girls man, girls, (plants seed in Hilts’ mind, I’ll play catamite if you want Hilts)…d’ye know have them in the States…gush, blush, simper, flatter, deprecate, repress, cry tiny years inside as ‘och aye the noo’ rings incessantly around the officers’ mess…puir wee Ives…shot to death for his troubles trying to escape…martyred, crucified like a wee St.Jock o’the Cross…ah well…there’s plenty more wee Jocks where he came from and all they require is the odd word of praise and a pat on the head…good boy! Jocko, good boy!!!

Captain Yossarian 4.16am
Good comment – “drifting and rudderless” although “moving away from Nationalism” isn’t supported by the polls.

Surely a political party that accomodates folk with a range opinions is a healthy thing. In the real world, we all have our own experiences and opinions and so there should be no need for a party to try to constrain us. Listening and debating help shape policy. Differing opinions in an atmosphere of cordiality are to be welcomed especially in the wake of the nine-year democratic demolition we’ve lived through.

As for the decline in Labour – lots of info out there. Not pleasant. It’s not going to get better. However, after independence we’d have a choice of parties and could vote them in and vote them out. Our votes would finally count. Then you could vote for a Labour party that was actually socialist.

Backshift hours appear to exacerbate Ascot A broad’s grumpiness. The technique is wearing a wee bit thin though. Combative, mainly baseless, often with a parting left hook. These careers in conditioning clearly take their toll. Sad.

Time to try out alternative pursuits for the unfulfilled retiree maybe? Something a bit gentler on the old constitution might help: meditation, yoga, landscape painting, flower arranging…

“Fear not. Come divvy up time Scotland will be compensated for everything that’s been stolen & land & property will be returned to its rightful owners, Scotland.”

Nice thoughts Geri, but we are neighbours (England) with a country with long history of nefarious activities. the English government only recognises international law when it suits it.

The Chaggossian people can testify to that.

JockMcT.

We’d need the right people in place and right now we have House Jocks in those positions.

When the right folk are in the positions, this can happen, unless of course the Scots rise up before they are in the positions.

From Craig Murray’s blog.

“A Scottish government, whether arising from the Scottish Parliament or from another body, needs in declaring Independence to ensure it has practical control of Scotland.

That means that the organs of the state have to acknowledge the Scottish state. All taxes collected must go to Edinburgh, not to Westminster. The judiciary must apply Scottish laws and not Westminster ones, where they conflict, and specifically apply all new laws post the Declaration of Independence. The police must answer only to Scottish authorities. Ultimately so must the military stationed in Scotland.

At the time Independence is declared, immediate action must be taken to ensure all civil servants, judges, police and military take an oath of loyalty to the people of Scotland and its new government, and renounce any previous loyalty to Crown and to UK political institutions. Anybody refusing must be summarily dismissed from their positions.

We have the example of Catalonia before us. We also have the example of Egypt’s only ever democratically elected leader, President Morsi, who died horribly in jail after being overthrown by a CIA coup because he failed to take the elementary precaution of dismissing and imprisoning all the military regime’s corrupt judges. He should have learnt from Fritz Bauer.

Let us not make those mistakes.

Ultimately, it boils down to this.

1) Westminster will never agree to Scottish Independence.

2) Scotland therefore has no option but to declare Independence unilaterally.

3) Any independent state must be prepared to defend itself by physical force from foreign attack. So must a newly declared Independent Scotland.

4) All who refuse to serve an Independent Scotland must then be removed from all organs of the state.

5) Once an Independent Scotland has physical control of its territory and resources, international recognition will soon follow. Brexit has completely changed the political atmosphere with regard to the crucial attitude of the European Union to London’s government.”

… has approved the sending of cluster bombs (which are banned) to 404’s military, or should I call it international brigade.

Aye, and thus the Country with severely limited capacity to actually drop any clusterbombs, sets a very grim and ominous precedent for the Country with overwhelming capacity to drop loads of them.

I wonder what humanitarian genius thought that one up.

This company and its parent company are, and have been, giving large amounts of cash to the Britnat parties at Holyrood to keep them afloat to help stop Scots from dumping the union.

link to archive.is

RoS,

that’s all a bit moonshine from Craig Murray’s blog. The vast majority of the forces stationed in Scotland would simply refuse. The planes would fly south, the submarines sail south, and the Army drive south. I have no doubt that a good proportion of the public servants and Police would also not comply with illegal instructions.

Most of the taxation collected from the financial sector would disappear along with the sector itself. 7.5% of Scotland’s GDP, and 200,000 jobs. Add in another 55,000 jobs in U.K.-wide public employment. Most oil and gas revenues would disappear, as would all foreign direct investment.

The EU isn’t going to recognise any form of UDI, as that would merely encourage separatist movements around Europe.

@RoS 9:45

Intrigued by your point 4.

As what organ do you intend to serve the newly born iScotland?

Cluster bombs

There go those great bastions of world peace breaking international law, AGAIN in its obsessive need to dominate. Another despot imperial regime.

& Weirdos think pu-tin is unhinged.

Reeves *we should pay tribute to the USA for all they have done to help Ukrainy -they’ve helped more than any other nation*

So they should! That started it ffs!

So a new government, same shit. America’s bitch. 51st state. Meanwhile, here in skintland, we’ve a nice big target strapped to our back..

You can almost hear how that conversation went – house it in Scotland lads. So what if it’s obliterated. The Scots cost nothing & they’ll be doing us a favour.

No. Scotland is against nuclear weapons. Only despot britnats think the topic is decisive & dividing because everyone won’t bend to their control.

Breeks , not banned but perhaps stop the personal references , leave it in neutral don’t quote them.

It is QI when someone uses that method how quickly it is claimed by those attempting disruption.

Rev Stu, I love this blog and I also love most of those below the line as they provide interesting snippets of information or other paths to follow.

Clusterbombs.
link to stopclustermunitions.org
I do not know if was a bomb of the type that killed a member of my extended family, it was not a WMD, that is for sure.
Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it, Mr Sunak.

Aah, another weeks begins and John Main once again slips effortly into his now customary Jerry Maguire role play mode with his “Show me the money!” demand.
The trouble is though that every time he’s shown an example of where the money could come from, he shits himself and self IDs as a Plato’s cave dweller who lacks the fortitude to break out of his delusions that anything other than his current perceived reality is possible.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

ASA and his English establishment overlords don’t have the gumption or the integrity to understand that an English MP majority is not the same as a Union majority. These are two different things, because Scotland is not a junior partner in the Union, it is one full half of the Union, the other half being England, and that makes any Scottish majority vote fully equal to any English majority vote.

England’s MPs are not sitting in the English parliament, they are sitting in the Union parliament. The Union parliament cannot pass legislation on the majority approval of only one partner, it needs the approval of both partners. England’s MPs cannot pass any legislation on their own because their majority or even unanimity does not represent the Union on their own, and Westminster has no bloody business pretending otherwise. They don’t speak for anybody except for England, they can’t speak for Scotland and therefore can’t speak for the Union. And yet they presume to do exactly that without any proper justification other than that they outnumber the Scots MPs.

But outnumbering isn’t the same as outvoting because that depends on how the votes are counted, and Westminster’s voting system is still the old English parliament’s voting system which assumed that all MPs represented English constituencies, and thus only one sovereignty. But the Union parliament represents two sovereignties, making that voting system completely inappropriate, but despite that, it has never been updated to reflect the new circumstances that came into effect in 1707!

It is that continued inadequacy that gives unwarranted power to the far larger numbers of England’s MPs than they can ever properly justify, though you can bet that if the numbers had been the other way around, England’s establishment would have seen that voting system amended so fast it would make ASA’s head swim.

Even if England’s MPs vote 100% for a matter, it’s not enough to pass it, because they only represent one sovereign partner in a Union of two. The other sovereign partner in the Union also gets a vote, and if their MPs vote against it even if only by a majority of 1 then the matter must fail because the Union’s two partners did not agree to pass it.

It’s well past time our Scots MPs robustly informed their English colleagues to stuff their abusive voting system.

A Scot Abroad said;

“It’s meaningless. And for over 300 years, not ever questioned that the UK is the sovereign power.”

Then you’ve not been paying any attention. No surprise there.

Geri said;

“Actually, thinking about it..

That’ll be awkward? If he didn’t take the oath to Scotland then there’s no United Kingdom’s & that parliament is now only an English one.”

I like the way you think!

A Scot Abroad said;

“Geri, the ones spouting utter shite on here are you, Baird, RoS, Xaracen, Che, and a couple of less frequent posters.

There’s not a single thing that you lot say that is truthful, or that forms a logical argument. Far less anything that is justiciable. It’s all just pish and wind, and totally meaningless.”

ASA, you’ve been talking to the mirror again!

Thanks Dan.

Still peddling your coal I see.

But that’s nit picking on my part. You are smart enough to understand that I am not fundamentally questioning the existence of the bountiful resources you list.

I am pointing out that these resources are owned, and thus I am asking how that ownership gets transferred to new owners who will more equitably share them with me. And the 5.5 mill other Scots.

You are smart enough to know that history provides several examples of how this wealth transfer can be attempted, that some attempts have been more successful than others, that unexpected results have sometimes occurred, and that not everybody has always benefitted.

So, show how Scotland will do it in a way that stands a high chance of success.

Show all of us Scot’s, Sovereign and New, then stand aside as the rush to achieve Indy sweeps all in its path.

John Main

That is so easy that every country does it (shock! Horror!)

You write a (new &0updated)constitution for parliament.
You have ministers take that oath to uphold it before sitting.

You dispense with eejits who go rogue.
The Westminster parliament is ABNORMAL in this regard. The public cannot sack MPs or MSPs because Thier oath is to a Draconian monarchy. NOT to their public who voted for them.

Easy, peasy.

In an iScot we will.

Xaracen, at 1140.

The entirety of that post about the union of two equal parts ignores reality, and it isn’t going to change. For a while, there’s even been issues on which Scots MPs voted down or passed legislation that only applied to England: see the West Lothian question.

What sort of a world do you live in that allows you to ignore reality?

I see our very good friend has been putting in double shifts …

ASA, the adults are talking – go back to the kiddies table

– tell them about your degree in operating a walkie talkie from the army “college”.

it’s a shame the taliban (or the serbs, whatever) didn’t get you and cut your nadgers off – you would have been a general by now in the new rainbow nato

Post indy we need a clear out – all scottish regiments should be disbanded and new ones formed, then a monument of shame built to the

TR4ITOR BRIGADES

and once a year on “victims of empire” (Nov 11 or thereabouts) day the public will be encouraged to spit on their battle honours, which are displayed upside down.

while NATO will likely be a default for Scotland, neutrality would be the best; swiss style neutrality, armed to the teeth, it all set to blow and everyone packing heat

– there’s only one group of people who I might like to enjoy shooting, so why make enemies of foreigners who have done no harm to you

link to dailyrecord.co.uk

(cocks the spandau)
“feed me … “

Northcode

Amen!

The idea that ships from Asia, which is where we get most of our cheaply manufactured goods from, will steam North to Scapa Flow to tranship for onward transmission to Europe is deeply bonkers.

It’s the sort of geographically ignorant fantasy which got so many Scotsmen embroiled in the Darien scam.

Somehow, the separatistas have become entranced by their own fantasies of an imaginary world.

A Scot Abroad said;
“The entirety of that post about the union of two equal parts ignores reality, and it isn’t going to change. For a while, there’s even been issues on which Scots MPs voted down or passed legislation that only applied to England: see the West Lothian question.

What sort of a world do you live in that allows you to ignore reality?”

Your interpretation of what I said is dishonest, again. I stated the reality of the legal and constitutional make-up of the Union, AND I stated the reality that the English establishment that runs Westminster ignores that constitutional reality in order to impose a false, unwarranted authority over Scotland. Westminster’s and England’s MPs authority over Scotland and her MPs is illegitimate, and you carefully avoided answering that reality.

One day, the reality of that illegitimacy is going to bite Westminster’s precious Union in two.

ASA

Not since they became the problem by being invaders & occupiers & all the poppy porn shit & domestic abuse.

WW2 ended.

Everything since has been colonising & racist bullshit in an attempt to keep the rich, rich & in control of coveting other countries assets.

This loyalty is all in yer head, but that’s no surprise, you’ve not to think or look around you to see public opinion. You’ve tunnel vision.

” So-called Scots Indy supporters who won’t acknowledge the fundamental right of a Sovereign Nation to defend itself from extermination need to be kept as far away from any possible real world influence and responsibility as possible. ”

John Wean .

What about the sovereign nation of Rusha , IT doesn’t have the right to defend it’s borders ? It’s not allowed the sovereignty you insist on for 404 .

Here’s a wee thought experiment for you : imagine – if yr capable of it , if yr blind hatred of R is not total ( which I doubt ) – Mexico or Canada were aligned with R and decided to allow the presence of weapons on their soil with the capability to strike anywhere within the U.S . What do you think the latter’s response would be ?

Zelensky was voted into power on a platform of constructive engagement with R . He immediately reversed that position when he * won * the election – we can only speculate why , but let’s assume ” Fuck Europe ” Nulands had something to do with that . Or maybe he just woke-up in a bad mood one morning and thought ” what the World needs is more bloodshed , nuclear armageddon would be , well , kinda cool , let’s go for it ” .

Were R threatening U before Feb 22 – no , but U had been waging savage aggression on the R-speaking areas of U , proscribing the speaking of R , burning civilians alive and generally being the exemplars of West-approved * good guys * . What any decent person would call genocidal psychopaths .

Were the people of U clamouring to join NATO ? No , the vast majority simply wanted to get on with their lives and live in peace with their neighbours – similarly to the vast majority of people any/everywhere . They were not allowed to , Yank geopolitical/financial interests Rools OK ? eh…naw , not ok .

Was U not considered one if not THE most corrupt countries in Europe ? Yes , even by it’s new-found allies in Western MSM – including the nauseating Guardian .

Your pathetic attempts to frame this conflict in language that would embarrass ” Rambo ” only succeeds in showing you up for the armchair warrior happy to feast and pontificate on the blood of human beings far way from YOUR home that you undoubtedly are

Anyone not calling for an immediate end to this wholesale slaughter is a cunt who should be sent into the heart of the bloodbath and see what the REALITY of war looks like up close and personal .