Wings Over Scotland

Strengthen the London plutocracy.

Ruthie speak with forked tongue. (‘Twas always so …)

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Devolution was the price that Labour thought they had to pay to retain their seats in Scotland and quell the independence calls. Now that they no longer have these, what they thought was in perpetuity, safe seat they are no longer that interested in devolution. It was merely a political move for party advantage.

If they were truly the party of devolution the sound of their anger would be deafening, but what we have is total silence. What does that tell you?

Tories, Labour & LibDems, they are in essence parties for England, any doubt was eradicated today.

Write a letter to Westminster. Muck up their administration. An avalanche. Even anonymous. Or E-Mail.

People have no idea what’s coming on the back of this. Labour abstained, the Tory scum filibustered and Scotland’s parliament is now potentially history. I literally have tears of rage about this.

But then we knew it would be like this?

Maybe just an optimist but I simply can’t believe that people voted for our parliament to be shorn of its powers, for this is exactly what has happened today. Henry the 8th powers now in place and Scotland’s parliament has been neutered. Every aspect of our economy handed over to Westminster to do with what they will…our farming, our fishing, our environmental controls, our NHS to be sold off, our water to be sold off…for trade deals with the likes of the US?

So fucking upsetting, these people are bastards, this will destroy our country. We didn’t vote for any of this.

Fucking hell guys…what now?

Thanks Wings. It’s on days like this you’re most needed.

Roll on Bannockburn.

To be honest if I did not read The Revs twitter account I would not have a clue what was going on politically in Scotland or how much Westminster and the unionist MPs were Fcuking Scotland.

Seems to be a case of the media in Scotland and at the UK level feeding Scotland shit and keeping us in the dark

Really beginning to think not enough average Scots are get the full picture of how dire Scotland’s future is. A bit worrying to be honest.

The Tories/Unionists Parties have always been psycho bastards.

Vote NO you get nothing. Maybe some people will learn.

BBC Scotland are probably already in advanced planning to cover the inauguration of Lord Mundell, First Viceroy of Scotland.

As has been pointed out here on numerous occasions the bolstering of the UK Government office in Scotland has been planned for months. He will soon be lauding it over Scotland, despite the Tories having no mandate in Scotland at either Holyrood or Westminster.

Like many others I am totally sick this evening. Having to live in this horrendous ‘Union’ is now well past a joke.

But, and it’s a BIG but, how the hell can we reach all the ‘ordinary’ Scots who aren’t really bothered as they are told nothing by our totally biased media, and even when any indy supporting politician is on TV they are heckled throughout any interview?

I wish I could just give up and say ‘What the heck’ – but I can’t and it makes it even more frustrating. I want Indy for my grandkids, but would love to be there myself when it happens!

If you’d watched STV tonight apart from John McKay’s incompetent interviewing you would have seen Tory MP Douglas the referee guy Ross blow the whole gaff

He more or less admitted this power grab was only being done to deny the powers to be available for use by the SNP

McKay uselessly tried to question this but allowed him to bang on about Independence and turn the topic away from the facts these powers on devolution are being denied to the *Scottish parliament* NOT the SNP personally

As for Labour well there’s just nothing to be said about these putrid backstabbing grubbers

I hope nobody who voted No in 2014 is expressing outrage today. You don’t get to do that. You knew perfectly well what you were doing.

People will have to get angry? Vote SNP/SNP. Some did not vote in 2017. 1/2Million. If they had none of this would be happening. No taking Scottish Devolved powers. No Brexit etc. Another IndyRef. Everything would have been fine.

Westminster really is an irrelevance to Scotland.

Whether we have 6 MPs or 56 MPs or 35 MPs,,it matters not a jot.

We are there to be slapped about by our London Masters whenever the notion comes over them to slap us about.

And when they get bored slapping us about , they just start shittin on us.

We are a laughing stock.

Time for some big changes needed. Something dramatic has to happen to restore the faith we have lost in our political leaders.

@Indy2

Either your a nutjob or just not very good at the trolling.

This stealing of powers is more relevant to us achieving indie.if people actually know about this happening, because I think many in Scotland want powers at Hollyrood to remain there but do not want independance. I always wonder if a ref vote was held with an all or nothing choice would the choice be for all (independence)

Exactly why Sein Fein avoid that place.

Non-unionist parties are treated with contempt. You can’t expect any kind of democracy for a less-populated nation when it’s representatives are overwhelmingly outnumbered by ones from a more-populated nation.

Ergo, ‘Democracy is Screwed’.

As for the media, until Scotland establishes itself as an independent nation it can expect to be treated as a subordinated, inconsequential region of a larger state.

Did we really expect them to take notice of our parliament.no fckin way. This was always the outcome and the fact that theBritish biased corporation fails to mention it comes as no surprise either.
My wee newsagent wummin hates Nicola with a passion her man takes no interest in any political party “they’re aw the same” fcksake they are not aw the same wake up from your comfortable I don’t need to worry about me club attitude and think about the country you want your children and grandchildren to live in.

Ah well but you must be wrong Rev because the Scottish Conservatives tweeted this morning:

“.@PM4EastRen explains why @ScotTories are supporting plans to strengthen devolution and protect the Union today.”

link to twitter.com

So basically speaking, that HOC vote DID NOT HAPPEN!

Nothing to see here, walk on by, that dead thing in the gutter is Devol…, Devil, Evil, EVEL, oh forget it.

@K1 “Henry the 8th powers now in place and Scotland’s parliament has been neutered.”

Not yet it hasn’t, K1, not yet.

1). UKSC for the Continutity Bill coming up soon
2). Holyrood will withold consent to the EU Withdrawal Bill
3). Well now, that’s the question isn’t it?

Jeremy Corbyn curbin’ Scottish hopes. Without a hint of remorse.

No unionists left now north of the border. You’re either an anti-democratic Britnat or a Scottish patriot.

quoting Sturgeon:
“The Tories couldn’t have made it any clearer today that they have no respect for @ScotParl. Never again will the line that Scotland is an equal partner in Westminster system be believed. The decision to act without our consent, and the manner of doing it, will not be forgotten.”

Maybe now that it’s clear that “Scotland is not an equal partner in Westminster” we can all dispense with the pleasantries towards those who’ve shackled us and subjugated us under English colonialist rule. Voting against your own country’s self governance is not NORMAL. Its an act of betrayal. It’s a vote to continue the occupation of Scotland. It’s a vote to deny your own folk democracy. Time to make the No voters uncomfortable. Time to question why they hate their own country? There’s no respectable position in wanting your own country rule over by another country. It’s just not NORMAL.

Nobody votes Tory for their competence and compassion. They’re at best xenophobic, many out and out racist. They’re policies persecute the poor, kill the disabled, deny Scots DEMOCRACY and are complicit in the regimes war crimes. A no vote in 2014 was a vote for these policies to continue being inflicted by a foreign regime forced upon us by our neighbour.

They’re laughing at us now. Time we took the kids gloves off. Time to get real.

The UK Gov is challenging the ScotParl EU Continuity Bill in the UKSC. Perhaps the ScotGov should challenge the UKParl EU Withdrawal Bill in the UKSC at the same time.

The UK is a midden.

Well…. We’ve had Enough
But has most of Scotland?
We are no the ones who need to be angry.. Well no the only ones!

This is I think the real question?

(Mibbi the Rev has his slogan… Enough seems to be the reoccurring word)

I don’t think the SNP should do a thing, they have told us often “Enough “
When we’ve had “Enough “, just let them know!
And when there is “Enough “ of us sayin it!
Then they will facilitate the desolving of the Union!
But until then,they will do the Westminster thing and Scotland can watch…

Westminster is no going Tonto.. May got her way,didn’t she?
They are the heirs of Thatcher, and when it comes to “The Enemy Within”,now the Scots apparently
The only is to be clear about Who Governs !
This is what they are trying to establish, and the justification for it is the 2014 vote!!

This is no the Scottish Westminster MPs decision, we don’t pay them to quit,
They stay.. until we say….So
Scotland…. Have ye had Enough?

X days remaining to go.

What do we want, independence, when do we want it, now.

What did they steal, devolution, when did they steal it, yesterday.

What do we do, go marching People, where n when do we do it…

Bannockburn, Stirling, Scotland.

X days remaining to go.

@galamcennalath says: 12 June, 2018 at 11:00 pm:

“Tories lie. Tories backstab. Tories cheat. Not news.
Labour are as useful at that proverbial chocolate tea pot. This we knew too.
All over Scotland tonight thousands of ordinary folks are angry as Hell.
All over Scotland tonight thousands of other ordinary folks haven’t even noticed anything significant happen.”

Since ever I commented on Wings I have been telling Wingers the true situation and often got pelters for doing so. I persisted and slowly the truth is beginning to penetrate.

I called the United Kingdom Government, “The Westminster Establishment”, and explained it had almost always been a sham. There really isn’t a government and an opposition because the Westminster party system has always been a sham.

All Westminster based political parties are, “Unionist”, but for, Unionist read English Nationalists and when the chips are down the Establishment acts as one. If they do not all vote against Scotland enough of the so called opposition will abstain in order to allow the Establishment to persist.

Collectively, all unionist, (for unionist read English Nationalists, or English Patriots), a.k.a. The Establishment.

Now here’s the way it has worked since 1688 and is just continuing what was developing then. In 1688 The Kingdom of England parliamentarians, rebelled against their monarchy and the main reason they had for doing so was simply because the King of Scotland had inherited the Crown of England and the crown of England had annexed the crown of Wales in 1284 and annexed the crown of Ireland in 1542.

The arranged marriage that led to the King of Scots inheriting the crowns of all other British kingdoms was not supposed to happen. It was supposed to work the other way with the monarchy of England inheriting the Crown of Scotland.

It must be remembered that England, Wales & Ireland were, until 1688, all under the rule of Law of “Divine Right of Kings”, a.k.a “Sovereign Monarchy). The King/Queen’s word was law. The first aim of the parliamentarian rebels was to rid themselves of the King of Scots but they had already prevented the law of, “Divine Right of Kings”, being invoked as James VI of Scotland was only King of Scots and not a sovereign monarch under Scots law. Thus, not being sovereign, he could not give away Scottish Sovereignty as the people, not the king, are sovereign under Scots law.

However, that gave the English Parliament a real problem. The King of Scots was also the King of England and as such he was sovereign and everyone, including the parliamentarians, were his subjects and English law was/is based upon that tenet.

So they deposed their monarch but assumed, (wrongly), that their actions also applied to Scotland and thus began the Jacobite uprisings in support of the Scottish monarchy for an independent English parliament had no legal right to depose a Scottish King. Yet they still refer to the uprisings as, “The Jacobite rebellion”, but you cannot rebel against a monarchy not your own – that means the actual rebels were the English parliamentarians.

Their solution was to offer the Crown of the Kingdom of England To Mary of Orange but Mary refused it. Her reason being that she did not want her Husband to be her consort. They then offered the Crown of England to Mary and Billy as joint monarchs of he three country Kingdom of England but illegally also offered the Crown of Scotland but, in 1688 Scotland was still an independent kingdom. They also forced William & Mary to legally sign their sovereignty, (divine right of kings), to the English Parliament but that could not legally apply to the still independent Kingdom of Scotland.

The second thing the English rebel parliamentarians did was to fudge the Divine Right of Kings Rule of Law. They got their legal people to rule that sovereignty belonged to the Kingdom and a sovereign monarch, just by being sovereign, could not give away the sovereignty of the kingdom but they included the still independent Kingdom of Scotland in that legal judgement.

This made the Kingdom of England a, “Constitutional Monarchy”, but they applied this also the still independent Kingdom of Scotland that had change the law of Divine Right of Kings by the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320. This was why they had to instigate the Darien Expedition to bankrupt, (not Scotland), but the wealthy landowning Scottish parliamentarians.

In 1706/7 Scotland had no national debt but England would have gone bankrupt through national debts if not for the subscription scheme set up by the London Scot Willian Paterson who also came to Edinburgh and set up the Darien Scheme. Now add to those facts that the English were still killing Jacobites in 1745 – that is overv39 years after the Treaty of Union was signed.

So there you go – what they did yesterday is just exactly what they were doing in 1603 when they claimed there was a, “Union of the Crowns”, that never legally happened, as in 1688 and the English, “Glorious Revolution”, when they deposed their monarchy but claim this applied to a still independent Scotland and as they did in 1706/7 by forcing a Treaty of Union and they acted illegally when the instigated devolution of the powers of a United Kingdom Parliament that was always the de facto parliament of the Kingdom of England but by not devolving powers also to the non-existent parliament of England they were actually devolving the powers of the de facto parliament of the country of England and while that is bad enough for the already parts of the Kingdom of England, (Wales & N.I.), it is insulting in the extreme to relegate their actual only kingdom partner in the two partner United Kingdom to being no more than the two countries the English Kingdom annexed in 1284 and 1542 respectively.

Why would any( well educated in real history), Scottish person have believed for a second that, THE ESTABLISHMENT,” would have somehow changed its spots yesterday?

Tell everyone about X!

Bannockburn is pretty well placed on the Map of Scotland for many and all to get to… take a bus, grab a train, hitch a ride an let’s do this again.

Looking forward to the speakers et al and seeing the turnout.

Try some new topical banners/posters for the march like…

“WANTED: For theft of devolution, the nasty people”
“REWARD: Independence” (and that’s priceless)

Hey, could someone (maybe bbc) try to live interview the faded uk jacket guy if he’s there (is it MacConnachie or summin) give him and his supporters a neutral say on film, could be entertaining 🙂

This is it!

Mundell must resign – another promise broken – remember he said not enough time to debate bill before going to Lords but when it comes back it will be amended. Always remember if a a tory’s lips are moving they are lying.

Mundell does not even pretend to represent Scotland he is just a WM insider betraying Scotland at every turn – his mission is to take over Scotland for the Tories – just look at the size of the Scottish Office and look at the actions of the tory mp’s from Scotland and of course Ruth is in hiding and no one from the BBC is even trying to get hold of her. Not biased – in a pigs ear.

In the cold light of day, the best option seems to be to call the referendum early, withdraw our MPs from WM and have them spend their time visiting every household in Scotland and explaining why they are wasting their time at WM while making the positive case for Independence. Our MPs have jobs and salaries, so why not make productive use of their time?

A new Scottish castle for Governor Mundell, eh?

Sounds like a good rallying point for the rebels. Like flies to a dunghill.

I hope Governor Mundell is building a secure moat and bailey around his castle – he will need one.

You will win voting SNP/SNP. It’s because people didn’t this has happened. People did not vote.

Divide and rule is the game for people like Craig Murray. UDI will not happen because people will not vote for it. Scotland has always gone within the Law..

Constantly criticising the SNP for some petty grievance is pathetic. It influenced people not to vote. Or even to give up hope. Giving up just helps the Tories/unionists. Not getting an e-mail returned or some such nonsense. When are being sanctioned and starved,

Or voting Labour when they support Independence or say they do. Corbyn and Labour are a lost cause. Useless. They could have voted the Tories out 12 Sept 2017. EVEL vote. They let the farce continue. Shameful.

Some people never learn. Just cut off theur nose to spite their face. They really are pathetic.

It could be the tipping point.

Get writing to Westminster tell them what you think. Instead of criticising others. People march for miles and hours. Just get out a pen and paper and a stamp. An avalanche.

Get out and join the SNP and commit. Instead of sitting on the fence.

Westminster does not respect reasonableness.

Westminster does not respect ‘willingness to talk’.

Westminster does not respect ‘ open to constructive partnership ideas’.

Westminster does not respect ‘mutual respect’ or compromise’.

They regard ALL of that as weakness.

Westminster understand just one thing so far as Scotland is concerned, the metaphoric gun held to its head of a referendum on Scottish independence or a threat of the union being ended.

The ONLY reason Tories keep barking on about ‘no independence referendum’ is simply this, they know full well that right now, with their government in disarray and arguing within themselves and with the EU, there is NO WAY they could fight against an independence campaign effectively.

I do not understand why NOBODY within the SNP can see that blindingly obvious fact.

Call the referendum, and then Westminster might, just might, actually have a modicum of respect for you. They understand nothing else.

As things stand, democracy within the supposed ‘union of equals’ was ended by Westminster last night. It is time the SNP stopped telling us all, ‘oh we can’t do that’. They need to think. If such a tawdry state of affairs happened in any other countries, do we seriously think Government representatives would not be doing everything in their powers to frustrate those responsible. Yet, all I hear is the FM telling everyone, that they remain open to discussions etc.. Jeezo.

This is a fight, and the SNP need to get to grips with that.

Links

link to news.gov.scot

Our Chair @PeteWishart asks how large the UK’s oil reserve is? We hear from @oilandgasuk that there are 10-20 billion barrels of oil left, 80% off of the coast of Scotland – it’s a long-term sustainable industry.
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Hello! We’re Scotia: a new 30 minute news show launching Saturday June 23. Aged 16-35 & want to join our 1st audience on the housing crisis? Apply on our now live website: https://thescotia.scot
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Former Irish prime minister ‘appalled’ at state of British politics
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After Thatcher how can anyone vote Tory in Scotland? Especially the older ones who lived through it. It is just a mystery. Scotland lied and cheated since 1928 and before. Westminster corruption and lies. A total shambles. They could not make a bigger mess. Yet in Scotland people still vote unionists. The unionists Parties corrupted the electoral system in Scotland, To make this happen. Their betrayal of the voters is unique. Some people never learn.

Aileen McHarg calls Tomkins an embarrassment
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link to eulawanalysis.blogspot.com

Brexit: who cares wins?
link to eureferendum.com

link to vanityfair.com

Last night wasn’t make or break for Scotland’s chances of Independence, but I feel there’s a distinct possibility what happens next might be make or break for the SNP’s chances of leading us there.

People are sounding off about the SNP, not to be anti-SNP, but because that’s where the frustration is being felt. We expect Westminster to shit on us, but we voted SNP to bring them down for doing it. Westminster spits in our face, again, and we are still ducking the issue of our Sovereign Constitution and instead, shuffling our feet towards the mythical day when we can see the definitive final Brexit Deal.

Westminster meanwhile dances bare naked in the moonlight all over the Treaty of Union, and exploits every nook and cranny and dubious interpretation of the words to suit its own ends, while here in Scotland, when it’s our safeguards being trampled, such safeguards which were pitifully weak already, we avoid using the word “Independence” lest it make us unpopular, and we dare not look at the riddle of why we Sovereign citizens of Scotland are not Sovereign.

If I was leader of the SNP, I would fight fire with fire. Since Westminster seeks to conduct its parliamentary business without Scotland, then quid pro quo, we are a Union of equals after all, so Scotland is entitled to do likewise.

I would remove our Scottish members of Parliament from Westminster, and I would also remove our Scottish members of Parliament from Holyrood, and in a suitable time and place, perhaps even on the field of Bannockburn with the AUOB crowd looking on, reconvene the essential SOVEREIGN Parliament of Scotland, in an open field without all the trappings and distractions of protocol, and have it call for Scotland’s International recognition.

It isn’t a UDI. It is the objective affirmation that Westminster in its blind arrogance has finally destroyed the last vestiges of the Treaties of Union, leaving the Union irremediably broken, and the Nation of Scotland silenced, leaderless, and in Constitutional limbo until such times as Scotland’s Sovereign people have taken for themselves a legitimate and internationally recognised government.

WE ARE SOVEREIGN HERE. We can do whatever we like and challenge our enemies to overturn it at their peril.

We can recall our Sovereign Scottish Parliament, have it formally exist as Scotland’s Sovereign Interlocutor, and call for a snap Scottish General Election to elect its members. If Unionists shun it, then fine, they are shunning their chance to exercise the sovereign will of Scotland. That’s nothing worse than what they’re doing already in Westminster, and indeed Holyrood. All the more seats for truly sovereign patriots.

If the SNP hasn’t the stomach for it, then we should do it regardless. 2016 gave us a Sovereign mandate to fight Scotland’s removal (actually the UK’s removal) from the EU. That mandate hasn’t so far been picked up by anyone… yet.

Good morning Nana.
Thanks for links though not sure I’m feeling up to reading much this morning after the debacle in WM yesterday.
What a pathetic excuse for democracy the UK is.

@Highland Wifey

I know how you feel. We all knew Westminster would do the dirty, they always have. From what I’ve seen on social media I reckon they have gone too far in the hope we jump too soon.

The continuity bill is the main event so we must be patient as that is the game changer and they know it.

There is a surge in snp membership at the moment as well.

@Nana
Yes it’s a very dangerous time. Good to know people are still waking up.
Roll on Bannockburn!

It’s the people who do not vote SNP or do not vote. They are the problem. The one’s who do the most complaining or criticise. Yet do not vote. Or vote unionist. Unbelievable. They have the vehicle (SNP) and have the vote but do not use it.

Bleat on and on about sovereignty but do not use their vote to support it. Then demand UDI. Misguided doesn’t come into it. Useless.

Put a cross on a box or lose it. Simple. Vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. How many times before people get the message?

Good morning Macart.

I’m seeing the anger out there as well as on here and it seems an awful lot of people have forgotten all about the continuity bill.

As you say now is the time to talk to anyone who will listen.

Also every one of us should be proud of our snp mps right now, for what they have had to endure on our behalf.

A con depends on the mark believing the story NOT on the truth.
Once again my fellow Scots put their trust in the Union and it’s loyal servants.

The fault lies with us. The change must come from within. It starts with using your eyes and ears…..take a long hard look at Scotland IN the Union.

In which other country would the national broadcaster not have a programme debate on powers being removed from its Parliament. Not on Call Kaye and of course no TV Scottish politics in evening schedules.
With Tory n unionist press also ignoring power grab we need to get leaflets out and start knocking on doors.

There will be an emergency “Hands off our parliament” protest tomorrow at 11am (for FMQs) in protest of Westminster’s ludicrous powergrab last night
link to twitter.com

Idiot spouts pish
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This is the email address for the mp who shouted ‘suicide’ if you want to drop him a line ianliddellgrainger@hotmail.co.uk
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Scots aren’t being told why the power grab matters. They need to be informed about what difference these powers have made!

Here’s a clear powerful example ( there will be many more)

The Scottish beef herd have been declared BSE free at least THREE years ahead of England’s due to the actions of the Scottish Government.

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

Robert Louis at 9.17 . . . . Says it for me

Re FMQ’s . . . The SNP and YES movement should be encouraging / campaigning to get Scots listenning to FMQ’s . . . It’s the only time Sturgeon gets to make her point without interruption.
Every week she exposes Unionist lies for what they are .

Blackford said yesterday that David Liddington must be stupid, the devolved powers that Scotland should have, are written down.
Meaning of course he was well aware of what was happening.

No, he is not stupid, he knew exactly what he was doing. What he is without doubt is a two faced manipulator, who had no intention of letting Scotland’s voice to be heard. Time we called them what they are. Get angry people we need fire in our belly, or we are done for.

Having slept on it: yesterday was a good day for the cause of Scottish Normality (aka Independence).

When we come to the referendum, in this parliamentary session or the next. Or when we come to a Westminster election that serves as a proxy referendum.

The response to ‘Vows’ or ‘Lead the UK, don’t leave it’ or ‘Vote no to strengthen Devolution’ (remember 25% of the 2014 No vote, gave exactly that reason)

will be laughter.

Calls for WM MPs to withdraw are premature. We need them there for the day when a S30 is finally refused, on the basis that only Westminster is sovereign. Because the immediate implication of that UK Government position is that only a majority of Scottish Westminster MPs is a mandate for at the very least a referendum (in their name) and if necessary a direct move to Independence

Ken is right. We need more MPs, not MPs who have removed themselves. And the only people who can do that are the voters

Statement by the First Minister before FMQs on Thursday

Wee birdy

Surge in membership ongoing, if you haven’t already joined perhaps now is the time

link to snp.org

Write to Westminster. An avalanche would help. People march for hours. Use a pen and paper or e-Mail. Let them know. Even anonymous. Better still get out and vote. Join the SNP and commit. Do not be disenfranchised.

Westminster snub to Holyrood merits a single line of 4 words on the main BBC UK political section “Scottish devolution changes urged”.

Also it makes no sense to argue with certainty that, if the 500k had come out to vote last year, there would have been ‘no Brexit’.

When we had 56 MPs, a Brexit referendum and vote happened regardless BECAUSE ENGLISH MPs OUTNUMBER US IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, NO MATTER HOW MANY SNP MPs WE VOTE IN. I thought that was pretty well understood, and was one of the main arguments for independence.

Let David Lidington know your views. Don’t leave Ian Blackford to do it. Give some support. Call out not nice but dim Tories. May or Mundell. Drop them a line or e-mail. When they try to drop Scotland in it. Davidson’s must be overflowing. The twists, turns and lies.

The numbers in Westminster vote. With 52+ SNP MP’s (Sin Fein). The Tories could have been outvoted 12 Sept 2017 EVEL. Vote or yesterday. If Labour kept abstaining or voted against them.

The Tories lost votes a year ago. 12 of a majority.

Having calmed down a bit after the contemptuous treatment of Scotland yesterday, I knew like everyone here this was bound to happen and it makes any Britnat vows or promises in the next referendum non-starters. The SNP knew it was coming too and we will soon see what card it plays next.

Sadly, I don’t know how many people not on here or the likes of WGD will be aware of what happened in parliament yesterday or why it is important. I didn’t even look at the tabloid front pages this morning for obvious reasons but, flicking between Pravdasound4 and Radio Shortbread I would have been none the wiser.

I heard a Green ranting about SNP inaction over diesel emissions, and a brief recording of the SNP WM leader complaining about lack of time to debate the position of the devolved parliaments. Since the latter was given equal prominence with a hackneyed voxpop piece about “Who will you be supporting in the World Cup?”, I have little confidence the issue was dealt with as the contemptuous and undemocratic power-grab that it was.

R4 was a Scottish void but at least I got a laugh when some dweeb was asking who was going to protect the English football fans from Russian hooligans. Irony bypass/Marseilles amnesia or what?

All the Sma’ Folk like us can do is try to talk to people we encounter everyday and, if we are fit and free, turn up at Stirling a week on Saturday in unprecedented numbers.

Poker games are bad for the nerves but we have to try to keep the heid.

I suppose it is an ill wind that blows no good. The archaic farce that passes itself as democracy in Westminster has certainly boosted applications to join the SNP. Let us hope that the realisation that Westminster cannot be trusted re-fires the passion of the 50% that voted SNP in 2015 and that we kick on from there.

SKY news openly discussing prominant figures who speak out against Brexit as to whether they’re English or not

One prominant remain figure described himself as a proud British Nationalist

So the only good Nationalist is a British Nationalist the rest of us are ..well?

Waiting with bated breath on Broon’s pronouncement from North Queensferry on the Vow & its back story.

Trades etc are still UK based. Without additional training, tradesmen have to comply with each country’s qualification. UK tradesmen have to be UK qualified. The same in other professions. Professions guard their qualifications and standards. Religiously. Scottish standards. Legal, educational and otherwise. Set by Holyrood etc. Scotland has a separate legal, education system. Professional status. It is not EU wide. Each country has different qualifications. They can comply with additional training. Polish plumbers etc can only work with certified UK legally. Same in other countries.

EU, US, worldwide work to different metric systems. Some comply or deviant. Patents and copywrite Laws ensure monopoly. Then multinationals can charge what they like. No pay tax worldwide. The EU wants to stop tax evasion. The reason for Brexit? Tariffs just put up prices. The US, China, India etc are protectionist. Large markets. EU have more clout to counter. 400Million people. Larger countries can pick and choose. Try to influence markets.

Please, if you can, do not just e-mail MP’s, actually write a physical letter. They do not get many, and they are a hassle for them. It makes them take notice, it really, really does. E-mails do not.

When sending a physical letter do not give an e-mail address, so this forces them to have a letter printed up and posted to you.

A physical letter makes ten times more impact. Polite, non abusive and to the point.

You may also care to write to the speaker of the House of commons, to make it clear his parliament is now a charade of any sense of democracy – more akin to a third world conspiracy. These things do count, especially physical letters and make sure you make it clear you expect a reply.

RE: Nicola’s apparent slowness in announcing the date for indyref2.

Perchance a read of this will make all clear.

link to twitter.com

Had a look at the dissolve the union Twitter thread. It is a long one isn’t it?

🙂

I’m Irish. We’ve seen stuff like this happen before. It never works. Once the SNP took office in 2007 a critical mass was hit. The notion of an independent Scotland stopped being a pipe dream on a shortbread tin and became a realizable goal. People got behind it. They took it seriously and the ground shifted. Nobody’s going backward now. The English ALWAYS fuck up stuff like this, and this time is no exception. People won’t put up with it. I’m telling you, it can’t be stopped anymore. Westminster may try, but they won’t succeed because there’s enough Scots whose first and only loyalty is to Scotland, not this ridiculous chimera, “The UK”.

Andrew Neil folks. Not Alex Neil.

@Brian Doonthetoon

Pretty much how I understand it and I’ve reposted the link elsewhere. Very much worth reading.

Brian Doonthetoon says:

Perchance a read of this will make all clear.

link to twitter.com

Thanks Brian,

Great stuff and a very helpful link. I do understand it is a matter of timing, and I trust Nicola to pull the trigger when she sees the white of their eyes.

The people are becoming restless, however, so some mad bold gesture or manoeuver that does not harm the legal situation (and grab some media attention) would not go amiss.

Let’s have giant ‘Welcome To England’s Last Colony’ signs at Gretna & Berwick.

Sorry, I made same mistake, writing ‘Alex’ instead of ‘Andrew’. Apologies to Alex…

;(

Andrew Neil’s twitter is, right enough, @afneil

I hope all those who are prepared to sell out their country are also prepared to leave it for their popularity has just hit zero.

I also hope that the ordinary folk realise that they will be paying for health , education ,prescriptions, parking , bus travel , WMD’s and to keep the wealthy very wealthy, using and abusing Scotland.

@Athanasius 11:16am

Thanks for that. Aye, England will fuck up over this, in the same way it’s fucked up over Ireland for centuries. What happens to the north of Ireland in the near future will be very influential to Scotland’s path to independence.

The EU, Ireland and Scotland are hitting England from all sides. We must continue to put the boot in. No letting up.

Scotlands ancestors would always choose to chop them in half with a big sword rather than let them speak, and they were right, because when you let them speak they do three things, first they lie then they change the question being argued then they lie again

In 2014 the referendum was Independence for Scotland then the UK changed the question to the European Union so Scotland voted to remain in the European Union by voting NO to independence then they had a European Union referendum which Scotland voted to stay in and when that was lost Scotland said hold on a minute this is not right but the UK said Scotland voted to remain in the UK in 2014 because the EU wasn’t on the ballot paper (changed the question)

Anyone getting the hang of why Scotlands ancestors preferred the big sword option now
Anyone getting the idea why the EU are fed up to the back teeth talking to them now

Today we don’t use the big sword option (my preferred option) but we don’t have to let them talk and we don’t have to let them set the agenda for talks (refer to the three things)

The Tories can’t gain control of Holyrood so they want to abolish the Scottish parliament giving them direct control of Scotland from Westminster and the question we should be asking ourselves is, why do we allow Conservative MSPs to sit in Scotlands parliament when they have no respect for it, are determined to undermine its functions and return its power to the English parliament

Surely to God this is an act of treason against Scotland, now we can’t chop them up with a big sword but we can throw them out

If England can ignore Scotlands MPs we can ignore theirs

First Minister it’s time to treat Englands MSPs in Scotland the same way they treat ours in England

(Although I still like the big sword thing)

Scottish sovereignty is at the very heart of the situation and circumstances, where we are at this moment.

The problem, as I see it, is that not enough Scots know that sovereignty belongs to the people of Scotland. And has done since 1320.

So, why don’t we help them with that.

We petition everyone in Scotland, door to door. We read a statement explaining Scots sovereignty and then ask them to sign two petitions. One is to be delivered to Hollyrood, the other to 10 Downing Street.

Everyone living in Scotland should be asked to participate, including 16 and 17 year olds.

The idea is to reaffirm Scottish sovereignty in the minds of all of our people.

We have, in the Yes movement, the numbers to achieve this in a relatively short time. Plus the fact that many are itching to do something.

Just an idea, that might have seemed better in my head.

Jim

Yeah as I see it devoloution is dead, who’s to say the Tories won’t keep rolling it back until Holyrood is just a jumped up admin dept.

Or a impotent Stormont, time for indy I think.

@Indy2 says: 12 June, 2018 at 11:56 pm:

“Westminster really is an irrelevance to Scotland.”

Utter pish! The problem is that Westminster is totally relevant to Scotland and that is the whole ethos behind the SNP/Sg and wider Yes movement -To make Westminster totally irrelevant to Scots and Scotland.

” … Whether we have 6 MPs or 56 MPs or 35 MPs,,it matters not a jot.”

More utter pish! The alternative to having 56 SNP Members at Westminster is to have 56 unionist MPs instead and that would allow Westminster to be even more severe when dealing with Sottish matters. Not to mention that if Scotland sent more Labour abstainers and Tory MPs to swell the Westminster Tory ranks plus perhaps some LibDems who would jump into bed with anyone for a smell of power. There would be clear Tory majority to do as the liked.

“We are there to be slapped about by our London Masters whenever the notion comes over them to slap us about.”

Claptrap! No one slaps our SNP members about as they have learned the hard way that they won’t get away with it. You obviously know nothing of what goes on at Westminster – furthermore, the statistics of that place prove that the most hard working MPs in the house are the SNP. No need for a division bell for them because they are right there it the chamber taking part in the debates and not like the Unionists.

Watch the day to day workings of Westminster and what you will see is an almost empty chamber and, excepting for such as PM’s Questions or Scottish Question time, the debates are poorly attended by yoon members and then the division bell sounds and they all troop out of the bars, eating places, gyms and their own offices, (and many have to be chased out to vote by the whips before attending either debates or divisions.

Not the SNP, though – they are right there taking part. I do not expect such as you, Indy2, to appreciate just what that means so I’ll spell it out for you. It means that nothing gets pushed through parliament without going through the process of being properly debated and dealt with. Whereas without that debate a matter can be pushed through in minutes.

The speaker asks the presenter of a motion to present the motion and after that asks if there are any opposition to it. If there isn’t then it sails through without debate.

And when they get bored slapping us about , they just start shittin on us.
We are a laughing stock.
Time for some big changes needed. Something dramatic has to happen to restore the faith we have lost in our political leaders.

Addressing parliament after the SNP walk out, the speaker of the house says ” it feels like xmas has come early!
We need to get out of this fast.

@Johnny says: 13 June, 2018 at 10:15 am:

“Ken, Derick etc
I agree that Yessers should be voting SNP and do so myself.
However, we do NOT need to win any more elections for an indyref to be held.”

You are correct that we do not require any more voting to justify the Scottish Government calling a referendum on independence. However it is a matter of fact that for almost any other subject, other than the legal sovereignty of the people of Scotland, no one can legally prevent the SG from running a referendum.

A referendum is exactly what the word means – the organisation running a referendum is merely referring the question to the people it concerns in order to assess their views on whatever the question happens to be. It is not illegal for anyone to do so. or example many local papers refer local questions to their readership. These are referendums but in that context are usually just called surveys.

The difference with a Scottish government referendum and a Westminster/Kingdom of England referendum is like chalk and cheese. Allow me to explain why:-

In Scotland the people and not neither the crown or parliament, (either Westminster or Holyrood), are legally sovereign under Scots law. Thus neither the crown nor either parliament, has the sovereign right to decide on the matter of sovereignty.

In Scotland no one other than the legally sovereign people os Scotland can make a decision about our sovereignty.

Which is why the Scottish government asked, and were given, a mandate to decide the people’s sovereignty. I’ll put that in a different way to help understanding the concept.

In the three country Kingdom of England the Queen of England is legally sovereign. Under the law of England, and going back as far as the English Parliaments “Glorious Revolution”, of 1688, Their Royal Highness’ were made to delegate their God Given Sovereignty to the, then still independent, Parliament of the Kingdom of England. In other words the Queen of England is legally sovereign but has legally delegated the Parliament of England to exercise the Royal Sovereignty. Now here is the important bit The Parliament of the Kingdom of England legally dissolved itself in April 1707 and there hasn’t been an elected as such Parliament of England ever since.

Sorry people but you still don’t get it
Scotland to us Scottish people is our country
To English people Scotland is part of Great Britain they believe Scotland has been conquered
is owned by England ,they have colonised their outpost just to ensure that we never reverse this.
Across Scotland over many years there has been systematic appointment of English people in positions of power who in turn employed more English people in prime jobs you will find if you look properly that Scotlands poor ,Scotlands unemployed is made up wholly of Scottish people.
18% of the people living in Scotland are English people yes that’s right 18 out of every 100 people in Scotland are English people, that’s a lot of votes .
Personally I think England is a great country with a great history but like all successful countries it has a hard dark side, not the people but the the government.
The English government or as some like to call it the British government intends to keep control of Scotland and will do anything to do so, what happened in Catalonia could very easily happen here and the sooner you wake up to that fact the more clearly you will be able to asses the crisis before us.
A Scottish independence referendum will take place soon
England is the country that Scotland wants to break free from
Not Great Britain or United Kingdom but England yes England and if we are to uphold democracy we should be making sure and saying loud and clear that English people will be excluded from voting on Scottish independence it’s just not democratic to allow English people to vote for England to continue controlling Scotland it doesn’t matter matter where they live, I don’t care if it’s English people living in Scotland or England or anywhere else on the planet they are the country that control Scotland the country we want to break free from so they should not have a vote on whether or not their control of us continues.
It baffles me that so may of you are alarmed that in Westminster English MP,s vote on Scotlands affairs and vote against the wishes of the fifty or so Scottish MP,s and it baffles me when you say that the result is not fair it’s the English parliament for heavens sake what do you expect ?
It is more baffling that you are happy to allow English people to vote down Scottish independence
from within Scotland !! let alone from the English parliament that is Westminster.
Surely you see now that Westminster is Englands parliament ,Great Britain and UK are England by another name.
If English people had been barred from voting on Scottish independence Scotland would now be independent.
The longer you allow this to continue the more difficult it will get because England populates Scotland with more and more of its people each year
Wake up
English people care about England first
Sure there are a few English people who moved here to be with Scottish partners and they may say they feel like a Scot but they are first and foremost English and that will not change unless of course they change their nationality once Scotland is independent
Don’t be fooled by them
I have lived in many countries and I can assure you that being on friendly terms with the locals is paramount and its useful to show support but no matter where people go to live across the world they always retain their nationality with pride.English people more so than most I might add ,you just have to look at Spain France etc etc and you will see how little England spreads and Tries to take over, England and English people are not shrinking violets,all this English Scots nonsense is a trick there is no such thing as an English Scot you are one or the other .
You will not find Scottish Englishmen or Scottish Englishwomen living in England it’s a trick that has successfully taken Scottish people off track .
Wake up

Terence callachan @ 15:23, 16:01,

Oh dear, his usual “blame someone else” message. Repeated for good measure, like a stuck record.

Scotland would be free now from all the ordure it has to currently endure, if only enough native-born Scots had had the good sense to believe in themselves and not in the fairy-tales they were spun by other Scots with their hands up to their elbows in the trough.

That’s the truth of it. It’s a narrow-minded extreme minority like you who don’t get it.