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Posted on February 05, 2016 by

Sometimes it’s the smallest, most trivial things that give you away. Graham Grant is the Home Affairs Editor of the Scottish Daily Mail, and earlier this morning he tweeted this snarky dig at prominent independence supporter and pundit Pat Kane, also of the primarily-1980s band Hue And Cry:


Ostensibly it’s a throwaway gag aimed at puncturing an opponent’s pomposity and over-inflated self-regard while portraying the journalist as an arch, wise cynic.

But hold on a second.

Because what Kane actually says couldn’t be any clearer, or any further away from what Grant claims. What Kane says is that there are three “brackets” of artists – a lower one inhabited by most bands including his own, a higher one including the likes of the Beatles and a stellar one that’s the preserve of the likes of Stevie Wonder.

In other words, what he’s very explicitly saying is that Hue And Cry are definitely NOT “in the same bracket as The Beatles and Stevie Wonder” – which is the precise opposite of how the Mail hack snidely represents it.

Grant relies on the fact that people will see he’s included the quote, skim-glance it to see that it does indeed include the words “Beatles” and “Stevie Wonder” and assume he must be presenting it accurately. They’ll go away with the impression of Pat Kane that Grant wants them to have, which is diametrically at odds with the reality.

That doesn’t matter a great deal when you’re just talking about old pop bands, but it’s a mindset and modus operandi that permeates everything the Daily Mail does, and it’s always wise to remember it.

Hue And Cry weren’t our kind of thing, if we’re being honest. (We’re a Jesus And Mary Chain kind of website.) But we do prefer a hue and cry to a Cheap Trick.

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  1. X_Sticks says:

    “Hue and Cry” is the perfect description of what the Mail does is it not?

    As a band Hue and Cry were a bit girlie for my liking. Definitely more of a Pink Fairies fan myself 😀

  2. Doug Daniel says:

    Well my band has several songs in us, including The Saltire #CheapPromo

  3. StevieCosmic says:

    Pat not winning any more fans there for saying the Beatles had 2 songs in them. Jeez. Way to go Pat.

  4. Kev Cargill says:

    What’s wrong with Cheap Trick!! :-(. I want you to want me Stuart!!

  5. John rose says:

    I don’t know whether there’s a training school that unionists go to, but they all (and labour in particular) do a great line in deliberately misunderstanding you.
    Ps. JAMC are the best…

  6. Chitterinlicht says:

    Pat couldnt have been clearer.

  7. Matt says:

    Stu, I think we can let this one slide. Get back on Rowling’s case she needs to be found out for what she is.
    Can you dig into this Lumos charity of hers?

  8. frogesque says:

    Lies, damned lies and the D. Mail

  9. Lesley-Anne says:

    Oh look Daily Fail … erm … FAIL to tell the TRUTH, the WHOLE truth and NOTHING but the truth about Pat Kane and his comments. To be fair had this *ahem* journalist actually told even a snippet of TRUTH then I am certain that it would have been headline news on BBC, STV and SKY news this morning! 😀

    Well who’d have thunk it. 😉

  10. Auld Rock says:

    Well done Stu, papers like the Fail rely on most peoples general lack of knowledge of grammer and punctuation.

    Auld Rock

  11. bugsbunny says:

    Maybe the Daily Mail readers prefer that rousing 1930 German hit Horst Wessel Lied, known as the Der Fahne Hoch Song as the 1930’s Daily Mail reader was encouraged to send donation first to the Nazis, then Franco’s Fascists by the then Lord Rothermere.

    Hail, the Daily Mail Anthem.


  12. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “What’s wrong with Cheap Trick!!”

    That original line may be the least truthful one I’ve ever published on Wings. I’m so ashamed I’ve rewritten it.

  13. Kip says:

    Personally, I have gone away from this article feeling astounded that Pat Kane could possibly think that Stevie Wonder had ‘more songs in him’ than The Beatles. I mean, what???

    But I get your point, Stu.

  14. jimnarlene says:

    As ever, the unionist cut and paste version of the facts.
    They must think we’ve been on the Psycho Candy.

  15. Heidstaethefire says:

    I nearly jumped pot o ma baffies and cardi – HAVE YOU PEOPLE NEVER HEARD OF THE STONES.

  16. Bob Mack says:

    I do not even get a mention. Mid sixties, Metallica fan,and yes partially deaf in both ears.

    However still have enough sense to NEVER EVER buy a Daily Mail.

  17. Bugger (the Panda) says:


    You have forgotten the “outrages” in every edition.

    They have a required number of 6 per edition and will recycle to achieve that target.

    Angry readers are addicted to being outraged and many buy the D Heil just for that.

    Daily fix.

  18. Il Solano says:

    Hey! I liked their first two albums 🙂 Good pop songs and all that. Even saw them in 1988 at the Kentish Town Forum or Town and County (my memory isn’t so good). Not listened to anything they’ve done since that second album but they’re a worthy Scottish band, preferable to Deacon Blue (sorry, Ricky).

  19. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Well done Stu, papers like the Fail rely on most peoples general lack of knowledge of grammer and punctuation.”

    When criticising others for their written-language skills, it’s always a good idea to spell “grammar” correctly…


  20. Robert McDonald says:

    I skim read Grant/ Daily Mail and came away with the impression, “Arse”. Doesn’t always work the way they hope eh?

  21. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Pat not winning any more fans there for saying the Beatles had 2 songs in them.”

    I *think* I know what he means by that – he’s saying they essentially had the catchy pop tune and the artier, indulgent Sgt Pepper type of thing. Obviously there were lots of VARIATIONS of both but they all fell into one of those two types, whereas H&C really only had that one pop/soul/jazz sort of number. (Not sure what Stevie Wonder’s three are.)

  22. Lesley-Anne says:

    Bob Mack says:
    5 February, 2016 at 10:52 am

    I do not even get a mention. Mid sixties, Metallica fan,and yes partially deaf in both ears.


    Who flung dung?

    Oh! … Half past two! 😀

    My partner is partially deaf as well Bob. I put it down to all those Status Quo and Nazareth concerts. I SAID I PUT IT DOWN TO ALL THOSE …ach never mind Bob you’ll never hear what I say anyway! 😀

  23. Grouse Beater says:

    Is there any aspect of Scotland’s culture and talent that hasn’t been branded by those that hate us as second-rate and unworthy of inclusion in the annals of British history?

    Jist askin’.

  24. Brian Powell says:

    In the old days the Times, when it was a real newspaper, did articles like this from Wings, taking what appeared to be a small issue and developing the arguments to make a point of principle, which highlighted some issue much bigger.

  25. Andy Borland says:

    Shows just how remote from reality the Daily Mail is.
    Did you see what I did there?

  26. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Hue and Cry’s “Ordinary Angel” is superb, time will give the Rolling Stones more “songs” than the Beatles and where’s Buddy Holly, Bob Dylan and Smokey Robinson. You’ve started something now, Stu

  27. bugsbunny says:


    My Auntie used to keep a pile of Daily Mails next to her with articles circled in red pen and annotated into a notebook so she could attack my beliefs every time I visited her. As a consequence I stopped visiting. There is nothing more bitter than an old tory daily mail reader. Twisted doesn’t even begin to cover it.


  28. crisiscult says:

    I think Stuart is a bit quick to assume the worst of ‘journalists’ considering that if you read that bit of text that Grant commented on, and you were a bit of an idiot, you could genuinely not understand it very well. Please please please, let’s not assume in the case of ‘journalists’ that they are nasty and vindictive rather than just stupid, until we have more information.

  29. Big Jock says:

    Whether to your taste or not. Pat is a great vocalist and Greg a great melody writer. I don’t have insular tastes so like The Soup Dragons,Paulo Nuttini,The Smiths,Jesus and Mary chain,Hugh & Cry,Beethoven, Dave Brubeck,Katy Perry Jimmy Shand.Music should never be compartmentalised as a fashion. You need to have wide tastes to have a broad understanding.

  30. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Please please please, let’s not assume in the case of ‘journalists’ that they are nasty and vindictive rather than just stupid, until we have more information.”

    I’m not sure how much more information you could need when it comes to the Daily Mail. How many examples of them distorting or flat-out reversing the truth will it take? I could probably give you a list of 100 without too much trouble by lunchtime.

  31. Truth says:

    Most newspapers really have one outrage in them. The Scotsman has two, and the Daily Mail has about six million.

  32. bjsalba says:

    I don’t care about who did or not not write good songs. That is, as far as I am concerned, not the point.

    What I do care about that we have a rag that masquerades as a newspaper, that employs staff who are chronically incapable of understanding English, and who constantly create screaming headlines that are, at the least, total distortions of the facts, and in some cases (in my opinion) are out and out lies deliberately designed to decieve the public.

    I wish we could get them under the Trades Descriptions Act.

  33. Chas says:

    The four basic premises of writing: Clarity, Brevity; Simplicity; and Humanity.

    Sadly most journalists lack three of them and suffer an abbreviated version of the fourth. They are just simple.

  34. Quinie frae Angus says:

    Like Robin McAlpine, Pat Kane is another high(ish) profile person who is prepared to be honest and acknowledge the contribution of Wings to the independence debate.

    Other hacks would rather choke than admit that Wings is knocking them out of the park.

    (Let’s face it that’s what this drip-drip assault on pro-indy voices is really about).

    Hue and Cry were definitely not my cup of tea (I’m much more a Cheap trick gal). But I really applaud and enjoy his important contributions to the independence debate, and I love to see a lying and cynical hack (GG) get his come-uppance for this unnecessary and misguided jibe in a tabloid rag.

  35. My music tastes go back to the 50’s when I could actually understand the clearer diction of these musicians. I actually liked Dolly Partin’s big hits (correct spelling). I couldn’t name one recording of Hue and Cry, or many of that ilk. So what? All credit to Pat for having the guts and intellect to stick up for Independence.

    I cringe at the “celebrity” airhead interviews on the telly and the likes of the Daily Mail hysterical headlines on the newsstands. Lots of good folk artistes were never allowed anywhere near a TV studio and unlike Pat, could actually string sentences together and spoke out for their class and country. I suspect Pat suffered from the same media prejudice.

  36. Struggling to recall the one Hue and Cry song here. Also a bit disappointed that the Rev has clearly never listened to Cheap Trick’s Live at the Budokan album with such lyrical genius as…

    “Sea over yonder when the rights are read your name, ah.
    You search for the riddle to the clue to the river she came.
    Look out on the land to the south, to the east three said, ah.
    Cancel Colorado in the march by request.
    Don’t go on the lookout of a whim, aye she said.”

    I think the writer got a sex change, is known as Kezia now and does pres releases in a similar style.

  37. Marcia says:

    Not a mention of Tiny Tim………….gutted. 🙂

  38. Wulls says:

    actually I firmly believe that most “journalists” working in MSM are nasty vindictive people.
    And that says a lot about the people that employ them.
    Journalists would not be seen or read if it were not for editors whose main responsibility. Is to sell newspapers. Their MO is to distort headlines to shock and grap. Then when you are halfway through an article and find its a lot of shite you have already been relieved of 50p.
    It’s robbery and misrepresentation plain and simple.
    I live for the day the IPCC is given teeth.

  39. jdman says:

    “let’s not assume in the case of ‘journalists’ that they are nasty and vindictive rather than just stupid, until we have more information.”

    You do know this is the Daily Mail we’re talking about here?
    nasty is their default setting!

  40. Capella says:

    Beatles also did political e.g “Give Ireland back to the Irish”.
    Listening to Just like Honey now. Good in a Lou Reedish way.

    But Stevie Wonder??

  41. Big Jock says:

    Pat is incredibly articulate. Very likeable and never loses the rag. He is an old school political scientist. Understands the mechanisms of government and the history of socialism and activism. A passionate Scot as well as a social Democrat.

    The hack would need a dictionary to hold a conversation with Pat.

  42. Jim Mitchell says:

    Hmm, wonder what they’d say about Jimmy Shand?

  43. Cuilean says:

    See Yoon Euan McColm keen to get in on the Graham Grant Twitter account. How’s his ‘log in’ issues, these days?

  44. Big Jock says:

    Capella listen to Stevie Wonder doing Mistra Know It All. See if you change your mind. Fantastic song.

  45. Dave Batchelor says:

    You may or may not like Hue and Cry – I’m a fan and they have some great songs like 3 Foot Blasts of Fire- but Pat is one of Scotland’s great voices.

  46. crisiscult says:

    Ok, I wasn’t really very serious in my last post. This guy probably both.

  47. One_Scot says:

    This type of smoke and mirror illusion is all the the yoons have left. The union is a busted flush. Let make sure we puts these lowlifes to bed come May.

    SNP x 2. It is the only power we have. Make sure you use it.

  48. heedtracker says:

    Sometimes you have to take a step back and wonder UKOK stuff like, in our mostly very polite, patient and civilised society, we do have a UKOK tory media and BBC, owned by very creepy super rich tory tax dodgers, that hire very unpleasant characters indeedee.

    We’re a bit like the US really, nice people, repellent hard core conservative meeja, maniac war mongering neo con governments, grovelling to super rich tax dodgers and on it UKOK goes.

  49. stonefree says:

    Jesus And Mary Chain………Not much more to be said, except I can’t stand both the Beatles and Stevie Wonder ,
    OK Alex Harvey’s Anthem that should be “The Scottish Tune”

  50. rongorongo says:

    Stu: JAMC article is entirely worth the read it for its account of how you failed your driving test in 1985. You probably couldn’t hear much either so soon after that gig.

  51. Macart says:

    Misleading, nasty and vindictive is basically how they make a living. Takes all sorts.

    What I’d like to know is where’s Abba in all this?

  52. Fred says:

    Graham Grant is obviously in the one-song Journo league and will never be up with the Ian Bell’s three songsters.

  53. Big Jock says:

    Caledonia for the Scottish Anthem. Why? Because it makes me cry… That’s an anthem.

  54. Quinie frae Angus says:

    Please, I do not want to hear a word against Jimmy Shand.

    My grand-dad was a wee pal of his when they were boys and they grew up together in extremely impoverished circumstances in the mining villages of Fife in the early twentieth century. There are many wonderful tales I could tell which would completely blow out of the water the “shortbread tin” sneers I often hear.

    (Another wonderful old Scots character maligned and misunderstood. Hmmm. Sound familiar? (Cringeing Proud Scot buts….)

    To anybody who would deny the huge contribution he made to Scottish world-wide recognition – not to mention the huge voluntary amounts of graft he put in for charity and for the comfort of individuals in distress – I say you must be a surly and churlish cringer indeed. He gave pleasure, through his music, to thousands of Scots and exiles of a certain generation.

    But there were also a lot of great things he did behind the scenes.

    Thanks. That’s all.

  55. bugsbunny says:

    Three months to this date we will be voting in the most important elections in our lives. Three months to this day we will be counting those votes. Let’s enable this election and the Euro Referendum as a springboard towards Inderef2. SNP X 2 on May 5th 2016. Let’s do it. Can we do it? YES WE CAN.


  56. Clapper57 says:

    Bold header on his twitter page stating “Graham Grant Investigates”….when really should be “Graham Grant investigates …….F*CK All “! ( of any real significance ).

  57. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Quinie –

    If anyone doubts how cool Jimmy Shand is, just show them this:

    ‘Jimmy Shand vs 50 Cent’ –

  58. Dan Huil says:

    Trivial but illuminating of britnat thought[!]. britnat media has given up any pretence of decent reporting.

  59. mealer says:

    Well,well.Wings has descended into an orgy of bitter infighting between the cheap tricksters,the Stevie Wonderers and the bad spellers.I always dreaded this day coming.The Daily Mail lobbed a hand grenade.Rev Stu deflected it into the middle of his website and KABOOM!!! We get Donald Andersons opinion on the music scene at the time of the war.Can Paula Rose bring us all together again before Brian”disco”spanner delivers the coo de grass?

    Good example of how the press can manipulate,though.

  60. SkewedPerspeXtive says:

    In fairness to Stu the Cheap Trick quip brought a grin to my pus.

  61. Lesley-Anne says:

    Just a wee O/T thingy here for all you “religious” followers of Joanne. Apparently she tweets herself! 😀

  62. Iain says:

    I was around in the Beatles/Stevie Wonder era, and the former far outranked the latter in output, critical acclaim – even as a pop group – and world-wide popularity. You’re talking at least 20 hits to one. I have only a vague memory of, maybe, three Stevie Wonder songs.

  63. Capella says:

    @ Big Jock – hear what you mean. But I always think of Stevie Wonder as Ray Charles’ little brother.

    @ QfA right to stand up for “Smiling Boy” Jimmy Shand – soundtrack of my childhood and New Year parties at the White Heather Club!

    JAMC excellent – so glad as I always assumed they were like Peter Paul and Mary!

    As to Corp Media journos – away an’ work!

  64. Tombee says:

    For the sake of clarity, and so there will be no misunderstanding of my personal opinion of the Scottish Daily Mail, and the rest of the Unionist propaganda media. They lie. They distort the truth, and they never tell the truth.simply put. They are just a bunch of lying bastards.

  65. michael diamond says:

    I always wondered why people said the majority of the 600.000 scots living in england would have voted no. I never believed that for one minute, the majority of scots i come across, celtic supporters and other provincial scots football team supporters were predominantly yes, the only exception were unionist rangers supporting scots, who are in a minority down here as opposed to the others mentioned. So i believe there would have been a majority yes vote among scots ex pats.

  66. John Young says:

    Pat Kane used to be married to our very capable SNP MSP Joan McAlpine who needs a wee bit of help with her fundraiser, if you have a spare bawbee

  67. Lesley-Anne says:

    John Young says:
    5 February, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Pat Kane used to be married to our very capable SNP MSP Joan McAlpine who needs a wee bit of help with her fundraiser, if you have a spare bawbee

    Ooh! 😉

    I did not know that very interesting wee fact John. Thanks for that. 🙂

    Looking forward to getting Joan elected in May. 😀

  68. Quinie frae Angus says:

    @Ian Brotherhood

    Aw, man, that was fantastic! I have never seen that! Thanks so much for that. A tear in my ee now.

    Jimmy Shand and my Grandad, as boys, used to roam around the farms in Fife looking for labouring/shepherding jobs to keep the wolf from the door. But they would, when they could, treat themselves and team up outside a certain football ground on a Saturday afternoon. (Can’t remember whether it was East Fife or Raith Rovers now, as my Grand-dad is long departed – sob).

    Jimmy used to play his wee squeezebox (such as he could afford at the time), and my Grandad would hold out his flat cap for ha’pennies from the arriving crowds. As soon as they had enough to pay the entrance ticket they’d pack up the squeezebox and go in to watch the game.

    Words cannot express the extent to which I dearly wish I could sit those two gentlemen down right now, and speak to them about the current Scottish politics. I can’t speak for Jimmy S but I do know that my Grandad, who was a miner then a railwayman, was involved in the General Strike of 1926 and was an active participant in those early essential years of the Labour party in Fife. He would be gutted to see now what they fought so hard for had become.

    I had an emotional chat with my Mum about this on the night before the referendum. I asked her what she thought Grandad would have been voting if he’d still been alive.

    No doubt about it, she says. He’d be voting “Yes”.

  69. louis.b.argyll says:

    Rev is right,

    ‘journalism’ is actually stretching it a bit.

    Daily Mail ‘reporters’ is what they are.

  70. Dave Robb says:

    Imagine a windowless, locked, darkened room. Inside sits a “Daily Mail” hack at a desk with a foam-flecked typewriter, earplugs in, tinfoil hat on. In the last stages of Rabies, he types furiously.

    Could this imaginary “Mail” hack produce anything less accurate and more hysterical than the real article?

    The best response to the “Mail” is ridicule – the response to “who will speak for England ” springs to mind.

    I know its repetitious nonsense is potentially dangerous, but I find it hard not to fall about laughing at its constant red-faced, batshit-crazy apoplexy. Surely there must be a chart somewhere – 3 “anger as” equals 1 “fury as”, 4 furies equals 1 “outrage as”, 3 outrages equals total brainmelt.

  71. heedtracker says:

    There is a lot of UKOK comedy around though, from progressive liberal bullshitter arteests of the decade that said


    “We must add to our heritage or lose it, we must grow greater or grow less, we must go forward or backward. I believe in England and I believe that we shall go forward.” The modern Labour party needs to believe in England. And it needs to start showing that it does, too.”

    Crash Gordon, Bomber Bliar, Flipper Darling etc must be read Tristram’s bleh and ask each other just how much money they actually had to pump in to London and the south east of England, to get them to vote Lab for ever and ever.

    Scots will never stop paying for the giant UKOK debts they run up boosting English power and glory.

  72. louis.b.argyll says:

    N’ word alert on Brewers debate.

    Throw that guy out of the room.

    Why did Gordon apologise?
    ..instead of demanding that the fascist should.

  73. Proud Cybernat says:

    And never forget – this ‘newspaper’ supported Hitler.

    Unbelieveable that there are still people around today who are happy to spend their hard-earned to support such a fascist rag.

  74. jim watson says:

    The Daily Mail is the only national newspaper to never have had a cycling correspondent.

    Basically because to be an efficient and effective cycling correspondent you need to have a good sense of balance…

    Thank you, thank you, I’m here all week…

  75. Fran says:

    The Daily Heil is like that kid we all knew at school, the one who would take what ever you said, twist it and try to get everyone else to laugh at you, you know, the moron.

    The Daily Moron, got a good ring to it.

  76. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Quinie –


    Aye, a wee bit cross-cultural fertilisation for a Friday afternoon!

    I’ll have that Shand tune in my heid until at least Sunday, but having it accompanied by mental images of 50 Cent in the club does add a certain frisson to it all.

    Don’t think I’ll ever be able to see images of either man without thinking of t’other…

  77. Inverclyder says:

    Just checked on a well known online Music retailer website.

    700 items available for Hue and Cry.

    ZERO for Graham Grant.

    In the second round the scores just in for Twitter are..

    Graham Grant 1343 followers.
    Pat Kane 18,000 followers.

    Pat Kane wins both legs.

  78. steveasaneilean says:

    As a four decades “collector” of music I understand where Pat is coming from. He is not comparing Hue and Cry to the Beatles but, rather, he is saying that is what pop musicians like himself and his brother aspire to and what’s worng with that?

    I also get the jist of his “we were a one trick pony, the Beatles had two tricks and Stevie had three” comment, though personally I find the Beatles hard to beat much as admire some of Stevie’s stuff.

    There is a great scene in Richard Linklater’s film Boyhood (please watch if you haven’t done so already – an astonishhingly good film) in which the dad, played by Ethan Hawke, has put together a CD of songs by members of the Beatles after they broke up. He calls it the Black Album and goes on to explain how their solo output on it’s own may have sounded less than impressive but when you mash them altogether on one CD it’s the Beatles all over again!

    Anyway I digress. The Daily Mail is a pile of poo

  79. gus1940 says:

    Discussing the fall of 800k entries on the UK Electoral Roll Brillo has just commented that this is mainly caused by peole moving home, dying or FRAUDULENT VOTER REGISTRATION.

    Very Interesting – makes one wonder yet again why on 18/9 there were no exit polls and no separate publication of Postal and Polling Station voting figures.

  80. TD says:

    Auld Rock / Rev Stu

    “When criticising others for their written-language skills, it’s always a good idea to spell “grammar” correctly…”

    And also to put in apostrophes where required. (..people’s)

  81. ronnie anderson says:

    Whit Jesus & Mary chain , I hope they protected they,re music rights better than they,re 1st book on religion

  82. TD says:

    TD at 12:46

    And put in full stops!


  83. Giving Goose says:

    At least The Daily Heil is consistent.

    Rather like the Daily Record.

    Both only fit for wiping your bum.

  84. Broch Landers says:

    Like a lot of pro-indy stalwarts, Pat has a 1980s political earnestness that is out of step.

    Out of step, that is, with the cynical, sniggering attitudes of a younger Anglo-Jock media establishment who were educated in the 1990s.

    You know, the era when genuine political beliefs dissolved into irony, nihilism and neo-liberal furniture rearranging

    The mocking, smart-arsery of Scottish Resistance T-shirts and Brian Spanner in-jokes is partly caused by this irony and nihilism.

    But it’s mainly caused by the fact that the people involved are colonial wankers who hate Scotland.

  85. orri says:

    Would all depend on just what you mean by the Beatles.

    Mind you this is a prime example of the ability of headline writers to lie about what they’re commenting on.

    Of topic, just been reminded that this is the 50th anniversary of a certain football team getting a trophy based on being ahead in a game before it ended in a pitch invasion.

  86. So Sparks are an eight song band

  87. MJT says:

    The folks at the Daily Mail are only happy when it rains on the darklands of Scotland. Anything that’s bad for us is just like honey to them. They’re forever sowing seeds of malcontent, they just want to see us further entrenched, in a hole, on our knees as we taste the floor.

    It’s gonna be the hardest walk, but deep one perfect morning, after what seems like nine million rainy days we will all experience the taste of Indy.

  88. Proud Cybernat says:

    @ Giving Goose

    At least The Daily Heil is consistent. Rather like the Daily Record. Both only fit for wiping your bum.

    I’d rather use sandpaper.

  89. Clootie says:


    …what a surprise. The BBC Scotland are telling use the penny extra proposed by Labour would ease austerity…shock news more money would help. We will have more money ONLY if we tax everyone earning over 11k pounds a year.

    The spin forgets who is paying for this windfall to ease Westminster cuts. A pity the BBC cannot bring itself to investigate the rebate system – how will it work? What will it cost? Is the rebate taxable?
    Or the bigger question…Why do we need to protect people from austerity cuts in the first place?

    More spin to support Labour’s fag packet calculation without any real journalism.

  90. Dr Jim says:

    “Journalists” aren’t employed to be stupid, they’re employed to be duplicitous, they’re only stupid when they’re found out

  91. orri says:

    I think it’s fairly obvious that there was an element of people being legally registered to vote in the referendum on the basis of once having lived in Scotland or promising to do so. That is well within the rules as long as you don’t vote more than once in any given election. I wouldn’t be surprised if the sheer number of postal and proxy votes meant that it was near impossible to properly scrutinise them all.

    Even allowing for those who may have misreported how they voted and that given those might actually be more likely to claim to have voted with the majority the results would still have been a narrow victory of close to 1% for NO.

    In addition there may be an element of some who actually voted No in a postal vote and subsequently changed their minds as the polling day approached.

    Fortunately with the introduction of Scottish Tax codes we’ve a method of deciding who gets a vote based on a willingness, or otherwise, to pay tax to Holyrood.

  92. HandandShrimp says:

    There are also three levels of journalism.

    However, Grant isn’t in any of them


  93. Jim says:

    Spanner tweets:

    ‘It would really help the independence cause along if someone high profile, Scottish and nationalist would snuff it. No pressure Wings.’

    ‘Indeed. It is a direct call for murder.’
    Has Stuart Campbell reported this to the police?

    There are enough unionist nutters out there that hate Stuart enough to make this call for his murder a very serious threat to his life.

    Please be careful Mr Campbell and get this reported, if you have not already.

    That bastard has stepped way over the mark and needs to be jailed for it.

  94. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Check out the latest Spannerisms directed at Rev/WOS over on WOS feed right now.

    I’m no lawyer, but from a lay POV this stuff looks actionable.

  95. Paula Rose says:

    NB if looking at tweets also look at the date.

  96. bookie from hell says:

    Business Insider

    Bank of England deputy governor Ben Broadbent told BBC Radio 5live’s Wake Up To Money this morning that the oil price crash is good for Britain’s economy

    “I think it’s a net good,” he said to the BBC. He said that the 7% rise in real wages over the last two years has largely been down to “the drop in oil prices. That’s boosted consumption and UK growth overall.”

    “It was only in the latter part of 2012, once confidence about the Eurozone had begun to come back, that the UK economy really got going. So, I would date the recovery not from 2008 or 2009, but actually from early 2013.

    “And since then we’ve enjoyed three years of pretty solid growth certainly in the labour market.”

    The price for Brent oil is just over $34 per barrel at the moment as of 7 a.m. GMT and the price for crude oil is around $31.60.

  97. HandandShrimp says:

    To be fair being savaged by Spanner looks akin to having a dead poodle trying to mount your leg.

  98. Quinie frae Angus says:

    Completely off-topic:

    Are any Wingers – particularly Edinburgh ones – planning to go to this tonight? This is the Yes Hub Cafe that’s been vandalised the other day.

  99. Jim says:

    @Paula Rose

    NB if looking at tweets also look at the date.
    I never noticed but does it really matter when he said it?

    It is the same fuckwit with the same twitter account and should be held accountable for this call for murder no matter when he/she said it!

  100. Jules says:

    Sorry Stu, sorry Pat, but Hue n Cry are a lot more than 1 song behind the feckin Beatles.

    Just sayin’.

  101. Michael McCabe says:

    @ Quinnie frae Angus Have left a message in off/topic for you.

  102. Fireproofjim says:

    Thanks for the Nazi anthems link. Just off to invade Poland.

  103. heedtracker says:

    To be fair being savaged by Spanner looks akin to having a dead poodle trying to mount your leg.

    He/she’s chicken. What’s even madder, it really could be old mad as a hatter JK.

  104. Clydebuilt says:

    Hue & Cry are appearing at Paisley Town Hall,,,, Saturday 26th March ……. Full Band show……. Let’s Show this gezzah Graham Grant .

  105. Iain More says:

    Totally off topic.

    It appears that the BBC as in Disreporting Jackie is going to employ the 1p for Westmidden tax as being somehow good for us low earners. I am still cleaning the spit from the goggle box!

    I see clootie beat me to it so I suppose that is two google boxes in need of cleaning.

  106. Proud Cybernat says:

    Does JK Rowling know that BS made a “…direct call for murder” to occur?

    Does she condone such hate-speech from her ‘friend’ (even though it was in the past)? Just wondering.

  107. Brian says:

    I would say the Betales are a 3 song band, and that Cheap Trick used them all.

  108. Brian says:

    Oops…I would say the Betleas are a 3 song band, and that Cheap Trick used them all.

  109. Swami Backverandah says:

    Brian Spanner is a dead cat, @handandshrimp 😉

  110. Brian says:

    Oops.sorry, finger trouble..I would say the Beatles are a 3 song band, and that Cheap Trick used them all.

  111. Iain More says:

    Off topic.

    My earlier bout of rabies has gone. I have just seen the latest BritNatGov Poll that puts Labour into third place in Scotland. My sides are still splitting.

  112. K1 says:

    Big Jock…allow me…

    ‘The hack would need a brain to hold a conversation with Pat.’

    You’re welcome 🙂

  113. mike cassidy says:

    So how many Beatles songs did Cheap trick steal?

    Anyway, nothing remotely wrong with being a one-song artist when its as good as the one Richard Hawley has been writing for the last ten years.

  114. Clapper57 says:

    Brian Spanner is PROBABLY- maybe – deffo – oh yes – come oan has to be – fink so – wait a minute could it be – nah – however – it feckin is fir sure ……M**t feckin F***e……..or is it fffffs ??

    The answer is in ze asterisks ….ken whit a mean…likey .

  115. Bob Mack says:

    @Paula Rose,

    The dates are irrelevant,but the content is not..Someone soliciting your death especially without your knowledge of that solicitation, , is still a crime in law.

  116. galamcennalath says:

    Perhaps it’s time Cameron and Corbyn were called upon to publically disassociate themselves from the extreme fringe who support their Union.

  117. Proud Cybernat says:

    Bob Mack

    “The dates are irrelevant,but the content is not..Someone soliciting your death especially without your knowledge of that solicitation, , is still a crime in law.”

    Exactly, Bob. And think about it – heaven forbid – but if anything untoward did happen tot he Rev, would not the polis be just a tad interested in Spanner’s call to incite murder? Would they not want to interview him?

    Rev – I hope you are all over this and this clown is unmasked by the polis.

  118. Conan the Librarian™ says:

    All these posts and not one mention of Led Zeppelin? I’m shocked I tell ye. Mind you, they did “ahem” borrow a lot of their stuff 🙁

  119. Cactus says:

    Dunno if the guys ever did find Linda when they were out looking for her, but here’s another familiar Scottish Linda:

    Talkin’ aboot Stevie Wonder.. have you ever seen him on the DRUMS?!

    Looks like more and more people are opening their eyes now, realising all that is regularly wrong with the Scorp Media.

  120. Dr Jim says:

    The BBC and the print media every single day of the week EVEN on the 24hour rolling boring news insults the Scottish electorate to the absolute MAX

    By telling us we’re stupid for voting for the wrong party in elections
    While at the same time telling us how clever we were by voting NOT to be Independent

    Should we not just do away with voter selection altogether and leave it to our betters to decide everything, in that way the media can only blame themselves when they Fcuk it up

    Ah, just remembered, they blame the polling companies for mis-informing them how to propagandise and predict public opinion in order to thwart it in the opposite direction

    So when you think about it, the media is a big giant cookie monster that eats itself in order to propagate

    Without the SNP who would the media go after considering that Labour in Scotland is the media
    They can’t possibly think they could promote Labour as credible anymore or Willie Rennie so what’s the plan if they ever thought they could replace the SNP

    All hail the Tank Commander (Oh dear God!!)

    I thought Hue and Cry were great, loved their stuff BTW
    And Pat Kane was and is a smashing singer as well

    Send me a foty please (signed)

  121. mike cassidy says:

    Ah, the spanners are so scared, they are even acting as their own agent spanneur.

    They have no chance against the ratchet podgers.

    I mean, what happened to Jakey’s predeliction for suing people.

    Gone a bit Woodrow Wyatt there.

  122. dakk says:

    A predilection for Cradle of Filth would seem much more appropriate for a Daily Mail hack than any lame attempt such as this at being a sentinel of musical virtue.

  123. Nana says:

    O/T get your ‘fresh new talent’ here

  124. Macart says:

    @Conan the Librarian

    Led Zepp, Oh yeah. 🙂

  125. Robert Peffers says:

    @StevieCosmic says: 5 February, 2016 at 10:43 am:

    “Pat not winning any more fans there for saying the Beatles had 2 songs in them. Jeez. Way to go Pat.”

    As one who believes that Bill Haley & His Comets was the end of good bigger band music and the Beatles the end of small, interval fill-in groups, (and good pop music), I not only agree with Pat but have no idea what the hell Hue & Cry is or was.

    I’ll get my coat!

  126. Cuilean says:

    To Jakey and her journo Wormtails:

    “Roch the wind in the clear day’s dawin
    Blaws the cloods heelster-gowdie ow’r the bay,
    But there’s mair nor a roch wind blawin
    Through the great glen o’ the warld the day.
    It’s a thocht that will gar oor rottans
    – A’ they rogues that gang gallus, fresh and gay –
    Tak the road, and seek ither loanins
    For their ill ploys, tae sport and play.”

  127. Robert Peffers says:

    @Kip says: 5 February, 2016 at 10:50 am:

    “Personally, I have gone away from this article feeling astounded that Pat Kane could possibly think that Stevie Wonder had ‘more songs in him’ than The Beatles. I mean, what???

    Who is this Stevie Wonder Guy? Is he an MP or a MEP? What political party does represent?

  128. heedtracker says:

    All these posts and not one mention of Led Zeppelin? I’m shocked I tell ye.

    Hacks. Greatest rock band in the world, from Scotland? AC/DC

    And ofcourse the lead singer choked to death on his own vomit. At least it was his own.

    It’s a long way to the top, if you want to get your country back.

  129. Alun009 says:

    @Rev Stu

    “I could probably give you a list of 100 [examples of the Mail being evil] without too much trouble by lunchtime.”

    Careful. Every toxin is fatal in high enough concentrations. I recommend you don’t exceed the safe dose, which is about three paragraphs of the Daily Heil per 24 hours. 100 articles before lunch would be enough to kill a whole pod of whales.

  130. heedtracker says:

    I not only agree with Pat but have no idea what the hell Hue & Cry is or was.

    Robert, Kane’s not changed a bit:D

  131. mumsyhugs says:

    Never did take to Stevie Dunder or the Drab Four – it’s Engelbert Humperdink all the way for me! “Please release me, let me go, For I don’t love you anymore” (UK!) 🙂

  132. woosie says:


    Excellent insight into how the rest of the world really views WM’s handling of the indyref. No wonder Peppa’s boyfriend can’t negotiate a good deal with Europe; no-one trusts them!

    Also an important point made about Faslane, and one which had crossed my mind at the time. Most of the wages from that site went back to Engerland ( actual uk ) every Friday. There may be 6000 jobs there, but I’ve actually worked there, and didn’t meet many locals!

  133. Iain says:

    O/t, I was talking to a couple from Italy who were telling me how they have given up watching television, as it is so biased. They particularly singled out Rai, the state broadcaster. They told me that the media in Italy said that England had offered a big financial bribe to Scotland to stay in the union. All I could say to that was that was news to me. So we are not alone in Europe, giving up the msm seems to be more common than I thought.

  134. AFewHomeTruths says:

    Stevie Wonder was way more talented than Ray Charles and different musically. He was a prolific writer and had a long career. I remember other musicians saying he was way ahead of his time. He was a musician’s musician.

    I think of this one as his Morning After Referendum Song. It really is called, ‘I’ll blame it on the sun,’ but the words are so appropriate.

    Where has my love gone?
    How can I go on?
    It seems dear love has gone away

    Where is my spirit?
    I’m nowhere near it
    Oh yes, my love has gone astray

    But I’ll blame it on the sun
    The sun that didn’t shine
    I’ll blame it on the wind and the trees

    I’ll blame it on the time that never was enough
    I’ll blame it on the tide and the sea
    But my heart blames it on me

    Who poured the love out?
    What made this bitter doubt?
    Is peace not here for me to see?

    Wish I could tell you
    What I am feeling
    But words won’t come for me to speak

    But I’ll blame it on the sun
    That didn’t fill the sky
    I’ll blame it on the birds and the trees

    I’ll blame it on the day that ended once too soon
    I’ll blame it on the nights that could not be
    But my heart blames it on me, yeah
    (Your heart blames it on you this time)

    SNP x 2 in May we can’t afford to take risks. Please make sure there’s no more broken hearts and regrets.

  135. harry mcaye says:

    Mike Cassidy, good shout some of Richard Hawley’s is stunning. Can I mention a wonderful American band I found recently – Lord Huron. Two albums,27 songs, no fillers just amazing song after amazing song.

  136. MJT says:

    I always liked Pat Kane, the guy, much more than I did his music, and, more recently his writing, which I find to be a bit patchy, scattershot and a tad bland.

    But, he always comes across as a really decent, well meaning guy, with a good heart and a smart head. There’s very little malice in his writing and I’ve no doubt he’ll get better at it.

    If I was a Scottish Daily Mail journalist, Pat Kane is so far down the list of people I’d be going after and if i was to take a pop at Kane, it’d be for some of his more political writing, not his musical musings.

    Is this the life of a Unionist Scribe; trawl the papers, social media, the telly, for anything, absolutely anything that might be construed by one’s loyal readers as a smudge on thon target’s character, constitution, intellect or acumen. Did the fruit ever hang so low?

  137. frogesque says:

    galamcennalath says:
    5 February, 2016 at 3:32 pm
    Labour lists. In full …

    And my guestimate of who (top ones only) might actually get a seat, assuming Lab win no constituencies.

    Oooohhh! I love a game of ‘pin the tail on the donkey’!

  138. Mabel says:

    The way they spin words is insidious. I’m a Pat Kane supporter though his is not my favourite kind of music. As someone else said I admire Pat and Robin McAlpine for staying true to their own standards and trying to be inclusive in their yes ideals.

    As for Clapper57 suggestion of who Spanner is, I had wondered the same thing, especially as he has a new show coming up and his politics are of the correct leaning. I’d discounted him though since the tweets, even the funnier ones by Spanner, aren’t that funny – but then the Unspun show was asking for writers to contribute to it, even non professionals, so perhaps he isn’t funny unless reading someone else’s lines.

    Keep up the good work of showing how headlines are twisted Stuart, and thank you, I’ll keep reading with interest.

  139. Swami Backverandah says:

    @ heedtracker
    “It’s a long way to the top, if you want to get your country back.”

    In Oz, “it’s a long way to the shop if you want a sausage roll”.

  140. Robert Peffers says:

    @Truth says: 5 February, 2016 at 11:09 am:

    “Most newspapers really have one outrage in them. The Scotsman has two, and the Daily Mail has about six million.”

    Now THAT comment did make me chuckle.

  141. jimnarlene says:

    “Greatest rock band in the world, from Scotland? AC/DC”

    Nah, it’s Nazareth.

  142. Robert Peffers says:

    @Clapper57 says: 5 February, 2016 at 11:54 am:

    “Bold header on his twitter page stating “Graham Grant Investigates”….when really should be “Graham Grant investigates …….F*CK All “! ( of any real significance.”

    May I suggest that would best be written, “Graham Grant instigates”?

  143. call me dave says:

    New powers for Scotland, negotiations deadline extended says the BBC!

  144. Morgatron says:

    Eh,what about the Wurzzels ?, they had two hits. Cider Drinker and Brand New Combine Harvester – tier 2 for them!
    Grant is just a snide twat.

  145. Legerwood says:

    Buddy Holly.

  146. Bill Fraser says:

    Another piece of rubbish from a cheap(though overpriced) rag who twist any little event or item to unionist propaganda.Fair minded people(if any believe such trash writing)will be able to read between the lines and read the actual facts.This is simply misrepresentation.

  147. heedtracker says:

    Swami Backverandah says:
    5 February, 2016 at 3:59 pm
    @ heedtracker
    “It’s a long way to the top, if you want to get your country back.”

    In Oz, “it’s a long way to the shop if you want a sausage roll”.

    It is. Lyrics show pretty good perspicacious abilities too. I probably didn’t know what perspicacious as a teen but you should have seen my girlfriend move to AC/DC. And yes dear reader, she dumped me:-(

    “It’s A Long Way To The Top (If You Want To Rock And Roll)”
    (originally by AC/DC)


    Ridin’ down the highway
    Goin’ to a show
    Stop in all the byways
    Playin’ rock ‘n’ roll
    Gettin’ robbed
    Gettin’ stoned
    Gettin’ beat up
    Gettin’ had
    Gettin’ took
    I tell you, folks
    It’s harder than it looks

  148. call me dave says:

    Don’t get the fiery crosses out yet. BBC radio Scotland has not got that ‘deadline extended’in it’s headlines…. they’re just saying that the UK reps want the talks to continue for as long as it takes even if it means extending the deadline.

    Sorry 🙁

    No mention of Tiny Tim (earlier) 🙂

    or Ivor Cutler either!

  149. Brian McHugh says:

    Not a big fan of Hue and Cry… but they are better than Bowie.

    Oops… It’s the Daily Mail front page outrage for me. LOL.

  150. Dan Huil says:

    @call me dave 4:52pm

    I think the unelected memebers of the house of lords have delayed it.

    Not exactly The Yummy Fur!

  151. Clootie says:

    I’m outraged !

    The Herald has announced that it’s new crossword will be called “The Clootie”
    I don’t mind the theft of my name…but by the Herald! The shame 🙁

  152. Lenny Hartley says:

    Quince, I was brought up to the sounds of Jimmy Shand and Will Star. I’ve used to prefer Will Starr until I starting following Motor Cycle Road Racing and discovered that Jimmy Shand provided machinery and financial help to cash strapped riders to let them compete in the sport they loved.

    A true a Gentleman.

  153. yesindyref2 says:

    The media trying “death by a thousand cu*ts”.

    Talking of which it occurs to me in #spannergate that the or an account user could be someone who is very well-behaved politically on twitter, wanting to let it all out.

    Perhaps a certain Grun Scottish political correspondent?

  154. Quinie frae Angus says:

    @ Lenny Hartley

    Ah yes, the motorcycles. I’d forgotten about the motorcycles!

    Thanks for your wee post there.

  155. Robert Peffers says:

    @Clootie says: 5 February, 2016 at 1:19 pm:

    ” … Or the bigger question…Why do we need to protect people from austerity cuts in the first place?”

    You missed out a wee bit, Clootie. May I assist?

    ” … Or the bigger question…Why do we need to protect people from austerity cuts in the first place – in a UK that has seen the richest few UK people more than double their personal wealth while the rest are subjected to Austerity Measures”?

    Now isn’t that more correct?

  156. handclapping says:

    Storm in a teacup, The Mail(s) have always been like this, Nazi by choice and inclination.

    Admit to giving up on pop culture after ‘She wears red feathers” 🙁

    You don’t need to be ‘with it’ to vote SNP 1 & 2</b<

  157. mike cassidy says:

    Clapper27 2.28

    M**t F***e

    Mabel 3.56

    New political comedy show called ‘Unspun’


    Matt Forde is Brian Spanner and I claim my £5.

    Is that how this works?

  158. Clootie says:

    Robert Peffers 5:16

    Yes ;D

  159. Alan Mackintosh says:

    Paula Rose, Proud cybernat, those tweets date from Jan 16 2016, so only a couple of weeks ago,(not that it should matter)

    When someone criticises the “snuff it” tweet, BS responds with “Indeed. It is a direct call for murder.”

  160. Alan Mackintosh says:

    Note re above, the date was 18 Jan 2016

  161. Clapper57 says:

    Mabel , M**t feckin F***e is deffo sooooo not funny but there is a connection with him and ALL Spanners matey’s .

    Hence I concluded ( though now past caring as time passing and life to live, I hope ! ) it had to be spoof account set up by an English comedian , Labour ( Blairite ) …… a feckin full time smarty arsey dumbing down for all the dumb Twits who follow certain Twitter accounts ..such as F***e’s and Spanner’s Sheeite .

    Set up for Nat baiting so feckin obvs . Duh !

    Funny how a thing that started as a spoof quickly descends into a nobody craving so much (undeserved) attention and relishing basking in the fake glory from all of his like minded famoooooose fans. Behold a narcissistic moron.

    Mwahahaha…..or maybe not !

  162. Gary45% says:

    Saw Shuggy and Bubbly a few times, I can honestly say very good song writers, and very good live, someone mentioned Led Zep, saw them at Knebworth.79
    Big Country( with Stuart)every gig amazing.
    Nobody mentioned the mighty Spinal Tap.1 louder
    My best live vocalist Seal.
    Good band on 6 music recently, (Cold, cold heart) a 3 piece from down south, “atmospheric,”
    1st album out next month, worth a listen, catch them on the internet.
    The albums called How the other half live and die.

  163. Gary45% says:

    Alan Mackintosh@5.35
    Imagine if Taggart was still knocking around and was in the Lord of the Rings.
    “There’s been a Mordor”
    I wouldn’t worry about what BS is Twatting. “A nobody”

  164. Clapper57 says:

    mike cassidy says:
    5 February, 2016 at 5:32 pm
    Clapper27 2.28

    ” M**t F***e

    Mabel 3.56

    New political comedy show called ‘Unspun’


    Matt Forde is Brian Spanner and I claim my £5.

    Is that how this works?”

    Aw thank you Mike…thank you…what’s your game…giving game away…me and Mabel were playing oor ain game…cannae remember you being asked to play oor game….How very dare you….ya wee game spoiler….

    There is always one…always one…and it had to be you Mike….it had to be YOU !!!!!!!!

    ps. asterisks code is the new way to communicate… don’t ya know…don’t ya know….with exception to this being a certain Mike Cassidy da game spoiler.

    Am I right or am I wrong Mabel…my fellow game player.

  165. Robert Peffers says:

    @jimnarlene says: 5 February, 2016 at 4:08 pm:

    “Greatest rock band in the world, from Scotland? AC/DC”

    Nah, it’s Nazareth.”

    Let me put it this way. Manny Charlton was, for a while, a workmate in Rosyth Dockyard Radar Bay.

    I also knew his Mother and Father. Let me put it this way – not too many of my colleagues were impressed and most were surprised when he gained fame.

  166. Dr Jim says:

    What’s good music or what’s bad music, most folk don’t know, because they only know what they like, and that’s different

    Most people like Midget Gems and Wine Gums but they’re bad, but they’re also good

  167. Effijy says:

    O/T Listened to an English Unionist Toff from the Resolution Group
    telling me, courtesy of EBC, that Dipity Dug and Labour’s 1p
    Tax is a wonderful idea as the very wealthy could pay anything up to £1,000 per annum with it?

    “It would take so much from the wealthy and do very little to the poor”?

    This is exactly why Tory Toff economic groups and the Labour Party
    are useless. They know about counting number but know Nothing about ordinary people and their day to day lives.

    The man on 6 figures a year man will still drive his Jaguar, have his T Bone Steak in a top restaurant and holiday in the Caribbean
    With this tax while those on the lowest income will walk because they don’t have that fare, they will go hungry because they can’t afford the food, and they will dream of someone giving them access to an old caravan F.O.C. that one day they might afford a break.

    The suicide rate hare has gone through the roof with those losing the will to live in such an unjust society, but what does that matter to these guys if another cut to their income means more die or more go hungry for longer.

    Let’s just look at numbers up in an ivory tower.

  168. galamcennalath says:

    Don’t think this has been posted. Daily Redcoat ..

    “The ball is in your court, Mr Cameron.”

    Stu drawing attention to this on Twitter. Strikes me as an interesting development even if it is motivated by the DR trying cover its arse.

  169. handclapping says:

    @Robert Peffers
    If we are into “famous” workmates, I raise you a Tommy Connery! 🙂

  170. Clapper57 says:

    pps : Mabel , you should have written ‘U***N not written actual word re his new show, that would have fooled Mike he he he he he…..remember the rules Mabel…remember the rules… the ****** rock.

    ppps : Mike , I think you will find I win the £5 as MY game …end of ……end of …..I believe ‘end of’ is THE new cool saying….Ja.

  171. Macart says:


    Check out the Rev’s latest post on twitter. He didnae miss an hit the wa.

    For those of a nervous disposition or perhaps suffer from high blood pressure, be aware it contains an outrageous snippet from the DR.

    You have been warned. 🙂

  172. Robert Peffers says:

    @handclapping says: 5 February, 2016 at 6:01 pm:

    “If we are into “famous” workmates, I raise you a Tommy Connery! :)”

    We’re not into famous workmates, Handclapping, or I could have reeled of a long list including royalty, sports persons and real musicians, including a songster/Eastenders star.

    My point is that many of these so called musicians are utterly useless outside of recording studios. Why do you think they mime to their own hits on TV?

  173. Swami Backverandah says:

    I’ve been reliably informed that Stu has offered to meet Brian for discussion over a friendly cup of tea in a public place.

    O. M. F. G.
    Have you gone mad!
    Don’t do it Stu.


  174. galamcennalath says:

    Macart says:


    Indeed! What will be really interesting, is what stance will the DR take if/when the Scotland Bill evaporates.

    They could try to blame the SNP or SG. This would be their default position.

    They could blame WM for trying to implement Tory policy to reduce the block grant by stealth.

    However one thing is sure, they won’t take any blame for the shambles themselves!

    I am certain in my own mind that if there hadn’t been the wild promises and their bloody Vow, beginning on the 8th Sept 2014, then we would currently be only weeks away from full independence!

  175. yesindyref2 says:

    Something up with Herald server but managed to get this from cached page:

    A drunken Rangers fan, who posted a threatening message about Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon on Twitter, after hearing that the then First Minister supported Hearts, has been ordered to perform 140 hours of unpaid work within six months under a Community Payback Order.

    [Fiscal Depute] The message, she added, had been picked up by others and re-tweeted several times.

  176. Jim says:

    “The fall in oil prices has been a “net good” for the economy, Bank of England deputy governor Ben Broadbent has said.

    He told BBC Radio 5live’s Wake Up To Money that falling oil prices had helped to push up wages in real terms.”

    Apparently this does not apply to Scotland, according to the opposition.

  177. call me dave says:

    The Prof Curtis proffers regarding 2nd place.

  178. yesindyref2 says:

    “Firefox can’t find the server at

    Been getting that a bit recently, wonder if it’s being DDOS’d or is it just they’ve been moved to the PS2 server in the basement with the 4800 baud modem?


  179. Cuilean says:

    Is there a ‘Lisbeth Salander’ cracking ‘Spannergate’?

  180. galamcennalath says:

    Cuilean says:

    “Is there a ‘Lisbeth Salander’ cracking ‘Spannergate’?”

    … tattoo equipment in hand?

  181. Conan the Librarian™ says:

    “Been getting that a bit recently, wonder if it’s being DDOS’d or is it just they’ve been moved to the PS2 server in the basement with the 4800 baud modem?”

    I’d like to understand that, but my grandsons are in bed.

  182. ann says:

    As a PARS fan and a Fifer. I really hope that Leishie does not get into the Scottish Parliament.

    He probably will though as he’s a popular guy in Fife, especially West Fife due to his charity work and his long association with the PARS.

    ………. and Thomas Docherty and Anwas Sarwar. Really!!!
    They lost their Westminster seats, what chance do they have of winning anything!

  183. Macart says:


    The ‘vow’ had an effect right enough. It gave waverers an excuse to vote no IMO and the media sold it for all it was worth to cement an image in popular perception. How and ever the big risk ittook in implementing this strategy was always going to be the aftermath of the vote. It relied heavily on a. a big win and b.the usual suspects getting back to business as usual in short order

    Neither occurred and here is where the swing back of the risk comes into play. The downside of the strategy was what we are seeing all around us today. It was always going to come down to delivery of what the population were led to believe was ‘on the table’.

    Now those who sold the lie face an engaged and angry populace calling the lie out for what it was and those who were used and abused for their loyalty reacting as only those betrayed or used can react.

    Doesn’t matter what the Record or the wider media say, they are now regarded by a great deal of the population as a poisoned well. No, there is no hiding place either for Cameron or the media and the clock is ticking down.

  184. Clapper57 says:

    Cuilean says:

    5 February, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    ” Is there a ‘Lisbeth Salander’ cracking ‘Spannergate’? ”

    No….but I have heard there is a ‘sisbeth Lalander ‘ cracking some nuts…..or should that be ‘ S*****h L******r cracking some h***s together…end .of . it…end . of . it…..Ja that is ze new cooooooooooool phrase Ja. Hurdy Hurdy Hoo….the Noo…End . Of…It…..godnatt.

  185. call me dave says:

    Herald back up again but not archiving!
    A wee snippet.
    NICOLA Sturgeon is under intense pressure to abandon her Valentine’s Day deadline to seal a deal on new tax powers for Holyrood after David Cameron intervened to brand it “artificial”.

    The First Minister has insisted an effective cut-off point for the talks of Friday February 12 is necessary to allow MSPs adequate time to scrutinise the details of the hoped-for agreement on more fiscal powers before the Scottish Parliament is dissolved on March 23 ahead of Holyrood elections in May.

    But critics have pointed out this is a period of 40 days and that, if Holyrood wanted to, it could examine and agree the framework within 48 hours.

  186. Thepnr says:

    O/T Labour list vote candidates have been leaked to STV, can’t believe the top of the Glasgow list. Is he there through pure talent? LOL

    Hopefully it will help Labour get their lowest vote in Glasgow ever. Lothian is interesting also.

    A party washed up and I believe ready to be washed away. Next up, scythe the Blue Tories. No one is an irrelevance until they are irrelevant.


    1. Anas Sarwar

    2. Johann Lamont

    3. James Kelly


    1. Kezia Dugdale

    2. Neil Findlay

    3. Sarah Boyack

    Oh and Jackie Baillie top in West Scotland, Iain Gray in South Scotland.

  187. starlaw says:

    Desperation setting in re. SNP accepting new tax powers leads me to suspect a trap lies in waiting for the unwary.
    I don’t care if SNP wait till the cows come home, as long as they get the best deal for Scotland.
    If Scotlands budget is cut year on year by Westminster will Labour be asking for taxes to be raised in Scotland year on year, or do they have a point where they will say enough,s enough.

  188. galamcennalath says:

    call me dave says:

    “Herald [says] ….if Holyrood wanted to, it could examine and agree the framework within 48 hours.”

    Of course, that would suit the Yoons.

    However if Holyrood was to examine and REJECT the framework within 48hours we would never hear the end of it! ‘It wasn’t scrutinised properly’, would be the cry.

  189. Col says:

    Anas Sarwar who said the Scottish parliament was not a democratic place lol.
    The man is shameless!

  190. Albaman says:

    I agree with you, J Leishman ought to stay out of national politics, if only to protect his popularity, and good name, but if he becomes associated with Docherty, and Sarwar!!, ” fly with the craws, get shot with the craws”!,
    There is only one reason Sarwar wants into Holyrood, and that’s to be top Labour dog, surely Dugdale , and A Rowley recognise his intentions.
    This is a situation which P.R. does not serve the voting public, they, Sarwar and Docherty , were turfed out of public office by the voting public, so why should they be able to regain public office, by the back door?!, “first past the post” system would have sorted that out.

  191. Lollysmum says:

    Interesting piece from Jim Lynch of Scots Independent.

    Constitutional Crisis?

    Well worth a read.

  192. yesindyref2 says:

    On the TNS list poll, that would be bye-bye Sarah Boyack.

  193. Lenny Hartley says:

    Gary 45% I saw Led Zeppelin at Knebworth in 79 as well, brilliant gig, must have been one of the first times that laser beams were used. Think it was the 2nd Friday one I was at.
    Great weekend onto Silverstone on the Sunday for one of the most famous Moto GP races in history.

  194. Getmeootahere says:

    Where’s oh so sensible Dave these days?
    Missing his amazing insight

  195. Robert Peffers says:

    @Clapper57 says: 5 February, 2016 at 7:27 pm:

    ” A wee snippet.
    NICOLA Sturgeon is under intense pressure to abandon her Valentine’s Day deadline to seal a deal on new tax powers for Holyrood after David Cameron intervened to brand it “artificial”.”

    My goodness! Doesn’t that wee lassie cope so very well with all that, “Intense Pressure”, she is allegedly so constantly suffering under? She always looks so relaxed in her photographs.

  196. cearc says:

    So it’s Sarwar for next SLAB leader?

  197. Thepnr says:

    Cara Hilton (genius) number 4 from 12 for Mid Scotland and Fife.

    So full of talent are the Labour party in Scotland. LOL 🙂 🙂 🙂

  198. Kenny says:

    Thepnr says: Glasgow

    1. Anas Sarwar

    2. Johann Lamont

    3. James Kelly

    What talent! Our 18th century Scottish Enlightenment is nothing compared to this Holy Trinity of Intellectual Strength courtesy of the Red Tory Party!

    I would love to see a televised debate between this trio of absolute chancers and, say, three candidates from the Solidarity or SSP or Green Party for Glasgow.

  199. Lollysmum says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but 48 hours-whatever happened to carrying out due diligence enquiries? Doesn’t it have to go before a cross party committee first then to debate in the full chamber.

    Rushing it through in 48 hours would attract complaints of not having done a thorough in depth scrutiny or even negligence. We know WM cannot be trusted-how much more evidence of their continual lies does Scotland need. This is just another instance of them but its the people that will pay the price of any hurry-we know it’s a trap.

    Take the time to do the job properly & if the deadline passes then so be it. WM should have got its act together much earlier.

    If it doesn’t meet John Swinney’s requirements then reject it. Some will moan but hey what’s new with that? The union hasn’t stopped moaning for a long, long time. Let them wait.

  200. heedtracker says:

    Huff Post usually great for news you already knew but sometimes show how UKOK media are used to deceive, misinform, cover up

    VW meets WM and its very dirty, as usual. Wonder who got the brown envelopes this time.

  201. handclapping says:

    Ah but she’s Cathy Peattie’s little girl and breeding counts more than talent in the Tory party

  202. DerekM says:

    Aye Rev you didnt half call it way back then

    Though there is this wee chink in their master plan and thats us the people of Scotland,their big mistake was thinking the referendum would just be another election it wasnt it was the awakening of a nation ,they still dont get it maybe its beyond their comprehension.

    Get used to it unionists because we are not going away,when we Scots put our minds together we are a stubborn people and we will see the job done,oh and the SNP only work for us you eejits as do you but not for long because you are fired the first chance we get.

  203. NiallD says:

    Some inconsiderate swivel-eyed loon left their copy of the Scottish Daily Fail on the train to work today.
    I did what any concerned citizen would do. I wrapped it up in a Metro and placed it in a recycling receptacle at the station. I mean to say, children might have got their hands on it and Been scarred by Yoonery for life!!

  204. DerekM says:


    oh emm and the Daily Mail sucks as well 🙂

  205. Iain says:

    Way to go,
    Derek M

  206. Thepnr says:


    “because you are fired the first chance we get”

    Nearly right, apologies for the correction.

    They will be fired at every chance we get, this year, next year and forever until Independence.

  207. yesindyref2 says:

    @Conan the Librarian
    Goes back to the days of Demon in the 90s (an ISP) who provided dial-up internet access, email addresses and free webpages (homepages) for a TAM – Tenner A Month.

    If you used too much bandwidth on your website it was throttled to be slow for access until steps were taken to use less. 4800 baud would be ummm, about a thousand times slower than what we get these days.

    And a PS2 was a sturdy PC from IBM going for years, but overtaken by faster models which could do like 64,000 operations a second. Unlike the slow stuff we have these days which can do millions and billions. I’ve lost track.

  208. Quinie frae Angus says:

    Hey peeps, here’s a link that everybody should read, before anyone makes the slightest comment anywhere on any forum whatsoever, about any of the many “Rangers” affairs….

    This is timely and well-meaning advice from our good friend Lallands Peat Worrier.

    Please read. It’s very important. Wouldn’t want any of us to fall foul of this.

  209. yesindyref2 says:

    (Demon) Oh, and one of the best NEWS (Usenet) feeds on the planet.

  210. yesindyref2 says:

    Cara Hilton gone on the TNS list poll, according to my spreadsheet.

    @call me dave
    Maybe it is the amount of bandwidth they’re using. Their pages are appallingly slow and jerky, if you don’t hit the “red x” in time to stop them loading. If I leave a page sit there a few minutes and then exit and clear up, there’s over 100mb of gunge. They could be exceeding their server host’s quota, even in a big datacenter. They’ve got a whole raft of local papers with the same slow heavy-loading format.

    Unlike Rev’s which loads in a second or two, even with a load of gravatars!

  211. Clapper57 says:

    Robert Peffers says:
    5 February, 2016 at 8:10 pm
    @Clapper57 says: 5 February, 2016 at 7:27 pm:

    ” A wee snippet.
    NICOLA Sturgeon is under intense pressure to abandon her Valentine’s Day deadline to seal a deal on new tax powers for Holyrood after David Cameron intervened to brand it “artificial”.”

    My goodness! Doesn’t that wee lassie cope so very well with all that, “Intense Pressure”, she is allegedly so constantly suffering under? She always looks so relaxed in her photographs.”

    Hi Robert , are u calling me a wee snippet ? Or is this a new game ?

    Think you will find that posting was from ” C**l M* D**e also known as ‘Call Me Dave ‘.

    Je Suis B***n S*****r !

  212. Inverclyder says:

    Anas Sarwar top of the list in Glasgow!

    FFS! Who’s at the bottom!

    Never met the guy and only seen him on the TV. Gives the impression of a completely repulsive, loathsome individual void of any personality or redeeming qualities whatsoever who you’d cross the street to avoid never mind vote for.

    Scottish Labour must be on Crack Cocaine if that’s the best they can do.

    Confirmation (if any was actually required) that Kez is getting punted down to Johann Lamont status but without the respect.

    That’s just in front of Jackie (are they sausage rolls hot) Baillie in the queue at Greggs.

    SNP must be pissing themselves laughing at this new low in Red Tory desperation.

  213. Sandy says:

    Sarwar in Holywood.
    He’d never shut his mouth. Presiding Officer would have a field day. Reckon she ought to have yellow & red cards. “Your off, that’s it, persistant abuse, no discussion. Automatic 6 week ban. Salary suspended. Now go & join that other retrobate, Kelly, wherever he is”.
    “Ms Baillie, you have been warned, no more lies. This institution is run on truth & fact. If you continue with these rediculous falsehoods, I will have you moved sine die, understood. Now, can we get on with running the country”.
    If only. Yet,who knows.

  214. Bob W says:

    O/T The Rev’s nut turning nemesis appears to be a little nervous. His twitter account has gone private party, approved readers only.

  215. galamcennalath says:

    yesindyref2 says:

    “Demon”, yes, great ISP once upon a time. Then they were taken over a couple of times. Bad to worse to moved on.

    A bit like Labour 1945 to present!

  216. Macart says:

    From DerekM above:

    “the SNP only work for us you eejits”


    For any policy wonk having an idle scroll. That’s what’s known as a clue. 🙂

  217. yesindyref2 says:

    Yes, when they sold themselves for £66.6 million to become Thus, that was the beginning of the end of the Demon as we knew it. Just looked it up and Thus sold it off for £20 million in 2006.

  218. call me dave says:

    @NiallD said

    “I wrapped it up in a Metro and placed it in a recycling receptacle at the station. I mean to say, children might have got their hands on it and Been scarred by Yoonery for life”!!
    Still chuckling at that as I watch the snooker progress… you should get an alert reader badge sent to you immediately!


    Thanks for the link.
    Love those two words ‘No detriment’ 🙂

  219. Bob W says:

    Nut turning nemesis gone public again. I don’t believe I was mistaken, about him going all shy, clicked his handle whilst browsing his twatosphere.

  220. Lenny Hartley says:

    Yesindyref2 when I started in the IT business we had a 25 bit/s leased line, at one one time I managed a global network entirely on 50 bit/s leased lines apart from the one from Aberdeen to the states which went at a rocket 75 bits/s . I used Denon and then Thus as well, and Scottish Telecom before they were Thus . both ST and Demon provided great services (and hospitality 🙂 went downhill with Thus eventually

  221. Cadogan Enright says:

    Scots stand up comedian and SNP member on RT being questioned on why campaigning for Corbyn in England

    Said she supports Corbyn”s policies and that he would make a great Prime Minister for any part of the UK except Scotland.

    Sounds reasonable to me, so long as she does not campaign for him in Scotland.

    If anybody knows senior SNP members who would normally discipline a member for campaigning for another party, PLEASE suggest that they let this one slide . . . . . .

  222. Chic McGregor says:

    Seems Slab are still sold on the idea that candidates with a rapid fire stream of unconsciousness is the way to go.

    Will it ever dawn on them that that does not work now the people are actually listening to what is being said?

    Slab waving and not realising they are drowning.

  223. Robert Peffers says:

    @yesindyref2 says: 5 February, 2016 at 8:40 pm:

    “Maybe it is the amount of bandwidth they’re using.”

    More like, “A long running Script is running”, warning as all the animated, and ever changing, adverts, load, display and make way for the next batch.

    It is those ads that make them money now that readers have stopped buying papers or subscribing on-line.

  224. yesindyref2 says:

    @Robert Peffers
    Ah well, that’s what I’m wondering. Their pages are way over the top, so perhaps they’re trying to get more and more revenue from less and less visitors, which is a vicious circle.

    But if traditional media is strangling itself by trying too hard to get the revenue come in online, well then, so much the better for compact blog websites with optimised images and no automatically started streaming media.

    Which would be good news, if you pardon the pun.

  225. Kirsty says:

    Would you check the nick of the Labour lists? They should use Duelling Banjos as their election theme! Good God. And we’re going to be stuck with at least some of them!

    I’m almost too embarrassed to say, but as someone who lives in Glasgow, given the choice of luminaries on offer, I’m damned if I wouldn’t actually prefer Lamont! I mean…! :-0

  226. yesindyref2 says:

    @Lenny Hartley
    No idea of the line rate, or even how it was transmitted, but the first “email” I sent was to the USA in the early 70s via an IBM 360/44 running RAX. On a screen and keyboard while still in the days of punched cards for most. Luxury!

    Only one I sent for years mind.

  227. MJS Dundee says:

    Oh joy of joys, just when we thought we might lose the delight of listening to the sophisticated argument and dulcet tones of Mr James Kelly, we find he’s been saved (possibly) by the Slab supporter(both of him).

    And we also come to learn that the Sarwar dynasty is about to make a return without anyone having to actually vote for it/him by name. (Sounds a bit He-RED-iTORY to me).

    But that’s some set of list candidates is it not friends? That’s us well-drooned in fresh …, er no, talent isn’t quite the right word. And “fresh” …? Some ‘interesting’ things are described as ‘fresh’ I suppose.

    I wonder how the possibly Lab-voting Scots electorate will react to seeing that list and realising that they may be about to elect pretty much the same shower of failing numpties that they’ve had to put up with in one or other parliament for way too long?

    Tank Girl has to be looking better and better for next leader of the Holyrood opposition.

    I mean seriously, looking at that list, what self-respecting Scottish voter is even going to bother walking to the polling station to help elect any of that lot? What could be going on between such ears? Anything …?

  228. Gary45% says:

    Lenny Hartley@7.56
    Hey Lenny.
    I went to the first week, Todd Rundgren, Southside Johnny, Chas and Dave if memory serves me.
    Me and my mate were a fair distance from the stage, but I took a small tape recorder, and tried to record Led Zep, it came out ok, apart from me shouting at people to sit down as I was trying to get some Photographs, (the innocence of youth)

    I think the New Barbarians with Keef played the second week.
    You went to Silverstone after. “Lucky Man”.
    I had the great pleasure of meeting a certain Barry Sheene at Donington in 2001 and 2002, the wife and I were at the motorcycle GPs and Baz was racing in the classics.
    He was my boy hood hero, and all I can say was he lived up to the expectation. A true gentleman. and for me THE GREATEST MOTORCYCLE RACER EVER.

  229. IAB says:

    The Daily Fail is a disgrace – they are now employing the call to national pride with regard to the EU . The same call that they attacked the Scots on in the run up to the Referendum.

  230. Mabel says:

    re Clap***57

    Jeezo, go out for the first time in months and return to find you’re making fun of me when I’m gone. Last time I’ll turn my back on you. ‘Sakes. You can see I’m learning with the asterisks though.

    Sorry, really didn’t mean to spoil your game. I’d thought it was just a joke and since it wasn’t addressed to anyone in particular and is on a public forum, and this thread was a bit bulgy and that issue had been in my mind, I commented. Sorry to spoil your fun, but it sounds like I engendered it instead, so no worries. It’s been on lots of minds since it ignited and on mine especially since Bella had tantalised with their Edinburgh omerta hint of a post but still hadn’t delivered. For instance I remembered back to the Claire Robertson thing and the creepy person who outed him/her and reading at that time one of the reasons for doing it was because Robertson was trying hamhandedly to out Spanner, but was outed instead. Was good he/she was outed given what happened but not because it protected him. Spanner protected then and now. As you say, pretty obvious.

    Looking forward to Bella’s post. Seems lots of Edinburgh shibboleths are being deconstructed. The sooner the better.

  231. Clapper57 says:

    Mabel says :

    ” Jeezo, go out for the first time in months and return to find you’re making fun of me when I’m gone. Last time I’ll turn my back on you. ‘Sakes. You can see I’m learning with the asterisks though. ”

    Yes Mabel , you are learning from the master of games, may the force of the asterisks be with you.

    ps. I’ll get me coat when you see me other posting in response to your posting on Gray.

    pps. Let’s keep the asterisks game alive especially re M**t F***e being B***n S*****r and his new show U****n he he he he.( Don’t spoil this Mike….oh spoiler of games of an asterisk nature )

    Have fabby dabby day .

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