Wings Over Scotland

As ever excellent….not so sure about vengeance though,its a very strong word,although in the circumstances!

Yeah best served cold, nice one

It shouldn’t be left to Alex Salmond to seek revenge. What is the SNP and Scottish Government doing about it? Nobody is even suspended.

You can be deselected for a tame tweet, but conspiring to disgrace an innocent man and send him to prison is absolutely fine?

RIP SNP. You have badly lost your way.

Good tactic, make the instigators sweat a bit,and a bit more,and a bit more……..

Excellent.

I will happily line up with many others for a signed copy of Mr.Salmond’s next book. It will make a very interesting read. Not sure NS or her husband will enjoy it though…

Revenge, where somebody has been wholly wronged, is a dish to savour, and is indeed, best served cold.

I look forward to his rapid return to the SNP, and his re-starting the push for independence by the SNP (something which hasn’t happened since 2014). Their needs to be a clearout at the top.

The silence by some in the SNP regarding his innocence, speaks volumes. Very, very telling, indeed. People do notice. A man who has done more for Scotland’s independence, since King Robert the Bruce, was found not guilty, and yet, some in the SNP have gone very quiet indeed. Hmmm…. it makes you think, doesn’t it.

Go get ’em Alex.

I always knew were innocent.

Marvellous cartoon Chris and cant wait to see the cold dish big Eck will serve them. I do fear the carnage that will follow will put a dent in our cause, but whoever and whatever was the motivation behind framing him must be made public regardless of the consequences to the SNP.

“Get Indy Done”,,(Terry 8.12am)

To all,,,

Badge makers
Wristband makers
Poster designers
Leaflet makers
Twitter members
Facebook members
The National editors
And all Indy minded punters, get printing!!!

“Get Indy Done” is the best slogan I have seen since the “Yes” slogan appeared in our vocabulary.

Once,,,,,we rid ourselves of this horrible virus, “Get Indy Done” should becone the new slogan for our new Indy Party.

Isn’t it amazing how you just stumble upon these little nuggets.

Fuckin genius Terry,,,well done my fellow Indy supporter.

Can’t wait

To borrow a phrase from the BBC pet nurse anaesthetist in the Southern General as was “It will be worse than Italy and Spain as they are mown down”

Could someone tell the BBC that B and Q is closed.

I will not fall into the trap of saying my mortality rate is bigger than yours because that would also be a lie.

BTW though not now a member I do not wish to see the SNP destroyed. The vast majority of members I know were gobsmacked too. I suppose that explains why the woke temporarily triumphed. Where DID they come from? Sneakin in like a thief in the night and stealing a decent party.

Politicians have to be more honest with people, that’s the only way we’ll end the Union, and Holyrood has to do things differently from Westminster, change our banking system set up new banks just for Scotland, don’t go down the cashless way, why should our money and life be controlled by private banks, we have to get back to living not being told and controlled. People are not marching for nothing this Scottish Government have to start working for the people, start being different, with this virus showing how fragile life really is, people are wanting things to be different.

Famous15 says: 28 March, 2020 at 8:47 am

To borrow a phrase from the BBC pet nurse anaesthetist in the Southern General as was “It will be worse than Italy and Spain as they are mown down”

I got told a story about someone who had been ‘interviewed’ by a well known TV news outfit.

Before the interview, they were giving a wee talk beforehand, a mixture of charming banter and fake news. The person went on for the interview but didn’t talk shite because they knew they were being taken for a mug. The clip didn’t make any news programmes.

I don’t know if this happened with the NHS employee you mentioned but it is stressful time for everybody and maybe that employee was caught at the wrong time and needed to vent their frustration. It could be simply that the BBC went around interviewing a number of staff at the hospital and that employee did the best clip that fitted in with their ‘narrative’.

@ Terry 8:12 am

Well said

Nonsense! His defence was that he didn’t do it. The Jury agreed and acquitted him.

Heh Jackie.

It was a turn of phrase. I don’t think “get Indy done” should be a slogan cos of the farage connotations. But ultimately that’s what the goal is!

Let’s just stick with YES.

If you think about the character of the man, maybe you would conclude that he will remain 100% committed to achieving Independence? I don’t believe he would do anything to jeopardise that.
Being back in the political fray may be vengeance enough, perhaps.

I hope Alex has a good rest and stays safe. Jotting down a few memoirs would be an excellent way to spend this period of self isolation.
Excellent cartoon, as ever.

BTW his January Alex Salmond show on RT interviews Ruth Wishart and George Kerevan on whither Scotland now that a S30 has been ruled out.
He also has Kenny Mcaskill in the studio and Alex Reid online on the same subject.

Will the title of Alex’s book be called:

“Et tu Sturgeon but I mak sikkar” ?

This isn’t going to go down well with some but woman are equals and they must act as equals.

Must be awkward if a colleague or boss propositions you but establish before the even in your mind
That if it happens you make it very clear it stops there and then.

If it persists you make it clear you will be taking it further up the command chain, to your partner and the police if necessary.

There are woman out there you can satisfy any frustration for a one off payment no questions asked.
if a man is desperate so head them off in that direction.

Prostitutes make the conscious decision to do x in return for y.

Sorry but if you feel you need to put
up with these kinds of advances to keep your job
You too are doing a trade of x for y.

I cannot believe that 10 or so women in high powered positions were all afraid to stand up for themselves, not makes official company’s or contact the police to end it.

You can’t but too sure of something being an injustice if it takes 5-10 years to decide.

Sure some people are weak or vulnerable but 10 out of 10 women I just cannot believe.

You nip these things in the bud or you allow them to grow and blossom.

Would you tell your kid to keep giving his pocket money to the school bully?

Ladies of the night have their rules and codes of conduct that are quite simple to follow
Pity Bute House Ladies need to claim life is too complicated for them to find the right course of action.

I make it clear that No means No and all things come to an abrupt stop at that point!

I’m fortunate in knowing the females in my family would be colouring round spherical objects
Black and Blue with a stiletto mark if this happened to them.

It’s a universal language understood by all men.

Alec Salmond is 100% human and therefore possesses all of the imperfections that that status bestows upon each and every one of us. That the jury concurred similarly is all that should concern us – justice has been done.

The intriguers who placed him in the dock must be exposed and made to answer for their vicious calumny; their masters too, if applicable.

Terry,,,,

“Get Indy Done” has nothing to do with Brexit.

It is a catchy slogan that will become known to the world as meaning, get Scottish Independence done.

Who cares if Farage used a similar slogan. And by the way, get Brexit done, was probably taken from some other idea. It’s how ideas evolve, you take little bits of ideas from around the world.

It’s how all good inventions have been happening since human existence.

So fuck Farage,,,he has nothing to do with Get Indy Done, and it would be a good talking point if people do relate it to Farage.

Any publicity is good publicity.

Get Indy Done…

Top news story is how is Boris keeping- Who gives a !!!!

Maybe on the British Indoctrination Channel, but from browsing around international Tweets, I get the distinct impression Johnson is a total laughing stock for catching the virus after boasting about all the hand’s he’s been shaking. What an utter clown.

Between Boris and Brexit, not forgetting the EU’s “missed email” on ventilators, the biggest current UK export is it’s own cringeworthy humiliation.

Kinda apt this cartoon is about revenge, because all those decades of terribly British stereotypes taking the piss out of ‘stupid’ Irishmen, ‘arrogant’ Germans, and ‘penny pinching’ Jocks will soon be coming home to roost…

Boris Johnson thinks he’s Winston Churchill, but the world will forever remember him as the imbecile on the zip-line who wrecked the UK economy and gave himself COV19. Eton must be so proud of him.

When the rest of the world sees light at the end of the tunnel with COV19, the light the UK will seeing is another train coming, and they’ll be another round of panic buying and empty shelves for Brexit once the transition expires.

I know COV19 is bad and must be taken seriously, but that is NOT a reason to throw Independence planning on the back burner, because there is yet another Open Goal for Indy heading our way and we CANNOT afford the luxury to keep on missing them.

The Tory Government under Johnson will come under extraordinary pressure when Johnson has to juggle a Brexit he has mishandled, a Pandemic which made him a laughing stock and killed many more people than it had to, and an angry public forced to confront the actuality of Brexit on an economy ravaged by COV19.

IF Scotland can stop faffing about under Sturgeon, we can anticipate a time in the near future whereby Scotland will have the opportunity to offer it’s people a Constitutional “Get out of Jail Free” card, and spare our Nation from the Brexit Calamity.

Just at the death, we can choose to dissolve the UK Union, and look to adopt the “Holding Pen” status which Jean Claude Juncker and Guy Verhofstad were offering Scotland within hours of the Brexit Result back in 2016. But to do that, we need to be holding those discussions and making those plans and contingencies right now.

Do you understand? NOT a referendum, but a short, sharp Constitutional dissolution of the Union in time to avoid Brexit, and adopt for Scotland the EU’s Holding Pen status, pending a ratification plebiscite and transition negotiations with the former UK Government.

But if we want this option, we need to be ready to do it, and go for the gap which will be there, but oh so briefly. I’m not sure we can wait for Alex Salmond’s book. Speed is of the essence.

Right now, we should be preparing brother and sister Constitutional submissions for both the UN and Council of Europe; one submission detailing the case for Scottish Sovereign legitimacy, and the second submission demolishing the unsound and dysfunctional arguments and principles of UK Parliamentary Sovereignty.

We should also constitute a quasi-sovereign Scottish Government elect, – NOT devolved wee Holyrood, but a NEW Agency representing the Sovereign Constitution of the Nation, which has Legal Personality, and can and does liaise with the EU to brief them of Scotland’s Sovereign intentions to dissolve the UK Union, and discuss formal arrangements for the Holding Pen status envisioned in 2016. We can’t right now hold face to face negotiations of course, but these plans must be made and the discussions must happen quickly and with resolute purpose.

If not extended, (or doesn’t collapse prematurely), the Brexit Withdawal Agreement expires on 31st December. If we want an escape option, Scotland MUST have its homework done and all of these negotiations be well enough advanced that by December or earlier, we can offer the people of Scotland a choice and a way out of this darkness. There is a great deal to do in nine months, and there may not even be nine months in which to do it.

THAT is why we cannot afford to squander more opportunity under Sturgeon. We need to circumvent our devolved talking shop and move with all possible speed to engage Scotland’s SOVEREIGN Constitution, and if necessary compel both the UN and EU to recognise it.

Straight away, we need a conference call between Alex Salmond, Joanna Cherry, and Craig Murray. We probably need a detailed Wee Constitutional handbook from Rev Stu explaining how a sovereign constitution actually works, and that wee book might also feature the rudimentary arguments of the constitutional plebiscite which we would hold next year. A great WEE Book and and a great big YES – AUOB army to distribute it and more… once COV19 is over… (sounds like putting the band back together eh?) 😉

As for the SNP, Holyrood, and even the List Party? Well, the actions as I see them in my head will be happening outside the UK or devolved Scottish Parliamentary jurisdictions. We won’t be drinking blended, watered down sovereignty, but the very best Malt Sovereignty, and drinking it neat. They can come along with us or stay where they are according to their own beliefs. But they can’t stop us.

Too radical for you? Not the right time? Do you want Independence or not? There is one more open goal that is heading in our direction. We must be ready to break the the back of the net. I don’t know how many more such open goals Fate will steer in our direction.

Spot on Chris, its very hard to believe that Sturgeon and her husband Peter Murrell, didn’t know what was going on, with regards to the concerted effort to send Alex Salmond to prison for a very long time.

I think the only way to avoid a public washing of SNP laundry is, if Salmond is publicly welcomed back into the SNP and in the process the betrayers are cast out of the party.

I’d go as far as to say Sturgeon should stand down as FM, (as should Peter Murrell), when the time is right to keep her reputation intact, and Alex voted in as the next FM, amid a very public and united fanfare.

Then we can push in solidarty for independence, knowning that Salmond has already treaded where Sturgeon fears to go.

Get a right team together, Alex Salmond behind the scene and Joanna Cherry a great speaker and passionate for Scotland’s rights & future, she sat down in Westminster almost every day for hours during the brexit carry on a great worker for Scotland, but there’s plenty patriots willing to have a go, professional people with Scotland’s interest at heart.

@ John H.

It’s not rocket science as to how many women and, let’s not forget, men didn’t like Salmond and its the same reason many today don’t like Nicola, its called propaganda, and as we now recognise our country and its people have been subjected to it in one form or another since 1707. The vicious, personal attacks against Nicola are little different to the vicious personal attacks against ALex. Whatever AS has in the pipeline, the state will know about it and will ramp up the attacks on both Alex and Nicola as the time draws closer to action.

Jackie are you going to the old 77th dinner dance this year? Asking for an admirer.

The longer the First Minister delays sacking the UK appointed civil servants, Leslie Evans, Chris Birt and Judith MacKinnon ,the worse it appears. No statement on these three since the trial – speaks volumes.

I know now whom I support – Mr Salmond.

I am a member of the SNP and have been for over thirty years. I cannot force the sacking of civil servants. All I can do is withdraw my membership.

I understand these are very difficult times.

Mr Salmond would have been sent to jail to die. He deserves so much better.

Liz Lloyd should be sacked immediately. And a statement issued on those who collaborated before the trial.

There is a whirlwind coming. I am retaining my membership to rid the party of those who plotted against Mr Salmond. I suggest, and hope, others do likewise.

jackie says: 28 March, 2020 at 11:34 am

At these Nicola Sturgeon virus updates, I get the feeling that all that is in her head is “what the fuck is Alex going to say about me”

She looks shit scared, she looks worried, she looks guilty, she looks like someone who doesn’t want this First Minister’s job anymore.

Ms Sturgeon should resign gracefully, putting it down to “personal problems”.

She looks tired, she looks washed up, she looks finished.

There are plenty of things that people can contribute to the conversation. The best thing you can provide is silence.

‘ words to that effect”

I do not recall the defence saying “he was NOT a good person”

The defence said he could have been a better person.

More than semantics here. We ALL could be better people.

@ Pac Man

Best put down i,ve heard for a while.( Doffs cap)

Just wondering:

Did the SNP and Green politicians that tweeted their congratulations to Kezia Dugdale do the same for Alex Salmond?

“I don’t think the ‘not proven’ counts for anything.”

Not proven counts legally as exactly the same as not guilty.
It’s an alternative form of words with exactly the same meaning in law, that the prosecution case has failed to convince the jury of the guilt of the accused. Why that might be is irrelevant to the result, that the accused is acquitted.

Astonished says: 28 March, 2020 at 11:49 am

The longer the First Minister delays sacking the UK appointed civil servants, Leslie Evans, Chris Birt and Judith MacKinnon ,the worse it appears. No statement on these three since the trial – speaks volumes.

There is so much hints, rumours and innuendo flying about that unless solid provable facts are presented, assertions can’t be made.

Until I am presented with facts that suggest otherwise, I am of the opinion that this case was perpetrated as a way to getting at Nicola Sturgeon and undermining her authority. If Alex Salmond was convicted as a rapist, it would totally undermine Nicola Sturgeon’s credibility as a champion of woman’s rights with being closely associated with him. In that way, AS wasn’t the target, NS was.

In sacking these UK appointed civil servants, NS would be accused of being hypocritical and protecting her close associate AS. However, in not doing so, she is alienating many rank and file SNP members like yourself. She is caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

As I have said in many posts, I am a gradualist by instinct and while supportive of the SNP policy, I am not too happy with their execution of it which is why I am advocated alternative strategies. It isn’t my place to offer opinions. I only ask to pause, reflect and wait until the facts come out before making rash decisions.

As I said I am a gradualist by instinct. My head says that is the right thing to do. However, my heart says that Alex Salmond has done the most and suffered the most in his political career whose sole aim was for the betterment of the Scottish people. If he says things in the future that goes against what I believe in then I will accept that. Until then, we can’t let the British state play their divide and conquer tactics which they have perfected over the centuries.

From what I’ve heard, Wee Eck loves his Sci-fi and he’ll know the meaning of his article better as:

bortaS bIr jablu’DI’, reH QaQqu’ nay’

Maybe the rest of us should contemplate that rather than coming to rash decisions and running our mouths off?

Xaracen12.14
I meant that there was nothing negative in ‘not proven’.
Apologies – I could have worded that better.
It was the overall defence strategy to which I was referring and my conclusion that it wasn’t a good advert for someone wanting high office.

The overall defence strategy of pleading Not Guilty was correct. He was acquitted on all charges. Simple.

Alistair Jack has symptoms of the corona virus ,new medical finding that a virus can be transmitted from animal to vegetable!!!

The mango Mussolini’s doing an incredible job in the US, he says..!

Who needs EU help Bojo when recycling plastic does the job.

link to twitter.com

Don’t get too exited:

link to en.mehrnews.com

@Dorothy Devine 8:22 am
Can’t think of any other ‘key journalists’
Perhaps Ed Vulliamy, though he might now be retired.

The SNP needs cleaned up from the inside out and from top to bottom. To think SNP paid staff, MSPs and Scottish civil servants can conspire to neuter a major leader should ring alarm bells to even the most ardent of the party faithful.

These so called ‘criminal’ allegations were odd in the extreme.

What does come across as criminal is the conspiracy of the alleged victims to conjure up a ‘pattern’ of behaviour.

Not to mention what was Nicola Sturgeon’s role / knowledge in this group of women’s allegations. If she had no role or knowledge then she has been utterly blind-sighted and circumvented. Which begs the questions – what of her control over the party?

This is a scandal such as the like of various Tory scandals involving politicians over the decades. It should be investigated but not a white-wash internal investigation. Heads should roll – starting from the top.

I find it hard to believe that the british establishment is not working hard to divide and rule and I’ve not seen any hard evidence against NS as yet. So with that in mind and giving her the benefit of the doubt, I believe she is probably doing the right thing by keeping her friends close and enemies even closer.

After all, if a new senior civil servant were appointed from a small available selection, how could she know what their potential devious modus operandi was. At least with the current situation, she knows now EXACTLY where she stands with the people surrounding her.

Graeme

Totally

Watching RT Thursday night saw clip of Boris Johnson about 2 weeks back giving the Covid-19 briefing. “ last night I was in a ward of Coronavirus patients. I shook the hand of everyone in the ward. . . . And I’m going to continue shaking hands. “
Johnson became the first national leader in the world to contract Covid-19.

Too many egos on this site, think they know best. Empty vessels and all that….

In Scot law historically the duty of the court was to establish – proven or not proven. It was amended years later to include ‘guilty or not guilty’.

What has not changed is the absolute weight of responsibility on the shoulders of the Fiscal to ‘Prove Beyond All Reasonable Doubt’.

Very specific, almost pedantically so.

I rather doubt any person standing accused in a court of law is ‘not guilty’ … of something or other, at some time – a Not Proven verdict is actually much more realistic and descriptive.

I’ve met my fair share of sleazy so and so’s at work, ‘handy’ fellows always standing too close, using every opportunity to touch. Most of them were also very good at their jobs.

I do not have any evidence or information to say they were rapists.

If we are going to start convicting guys for inappropriate comments, trying their luck (and stopping when told), or indeed using legal touches as a means to test the water to see if they’ve got a chance – then we will need to build prisons big enough for 1/2 the population – including for some women who can also behave in this way.

Not proven has the same legal standing as not guilty in the ayes of the law.

I see that a vaccine for Irony has been discovered and trialed successfully on ‘Wings’…

In other news, at least people might now know who Alister Jack is. Every cloud…

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I wasn’t going to respond to the minor eejits on this forum defending Nicola Sturgeon and havering in Klingon lecturing us all to shut up.

However, would the person/s who are slagging off Alex Salmond and telling everyone on this website to stop criticizing Queen Nicola please do two things BEFORE they comment further:

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Then reflect on what this website owner has researched and published?

The Merchant of Dreghorn and her associates have fingerprints all over the voodoo dolls and levers of power that were utilised in the full knowledge that an innocent man and Scotland’s finest ever First Minister would have been sent to jail for a very long time to sate their coven’s selfish political advantage and monetary gain.

It amazes me how ignorant are those who pollute this website and are seemingly oblivious to all that has been thus far researched and unearthed by this website’s owner.

Stuart Campbell has written extensively on this subject and been interviewed by Alex Salmond. It seems the height of bad manners for the cranially challenged to come onto this website, appoint themselves as admin/moderators and tell the rest of us to shut up.

I for one am utterly disgusted at what the CURRENT (shoogly peg) SNP high command have done to our finest First Minister Alex Salmond.

Chris Cairns, would I be correct in interpreting your political sketch strapline reference to putting the dish on the window sill as “letting the lies be disinfected by strong natural daylight”?

Al-Stuart

You could be right but, I thought it’s a reference to the maxim:

“Revenge is a dish best served cold”

935 deaths now in England, more than 20 times that of Scotland on 40 deaths, 38 deaths for Wales and 15 deaths for NI.

Overall the UK has 1,020 deaths, higher than what Italy had at this stage in their outbreak.

Sky news showing a fleet of ambulances outside the makeshift Nightingale hospital (conference centre) in London.

They must be expdcting a barrage of patients very soon.

Meanwhile across the pond, the governor of New York bemoans that the price of a ventilator has jumped from $25,000 dollars to $45,000 dollars.

US states are bidding against each other for the ventilators that’s why the price has gone sky high.

The 50 states are bidding against each other, and the Federal government raising the price of a unit.

Covid-19 will leave an enduring psychological impact across the whole of society, and will remain foremost in the public consciousness for some time. I predict this ‘revenge’ will be as cold as cold can get.

Stay safe folks.

“Since their guilt is not in question, it would seem an appropriate punishment for the CEO’s of the vendors.”

Col.Blimp IV.

But isn’t that the American dream? Get rich, shaft whomever you need to, to get to the top.

If there is one antidote to disappointment at the lack of action on independence by the SNP it’s Brian Wilson turning up with one of his hatred of all this Scottish columns in the British Herald.

The thought of Wilson or one of his associated Labour arseholes running Scotland should be enough to give you a bit more backbone. And Labour is even more woke broke than the SNP.

Republicofscotland

Yes that’s about right, they probably just want to make sure that the poor suffer disproportionately, as always.

It wouldn’t come as much of a surprise to discover that they are distributing Covid-19 infected blankets to the homeless as we speak.

@ Jockmcx,

Rather fanciful theory, Of course in order for your version to work ,Alex would have to be complicit . Think not.

Off topic…
Portuguese government has decreed that ALL asylum seekers and ALL undocumented migrants with pending applications for residence are AUTOMATICALLY granted and may access ALL STATE PROVISION including healthcare and benefits. I’m going to faint.

Just adding these ditties to a library in anticipation of the coming “Scotland wouldn’t cope alone in this crisis” yoonfest

O/T: why are the BBC and Guardian reporting as of now yesterday’s Covid death numbers? I.e. claiming yesterday’s figure of 1019 as being the figure for right now? The UK gov site is meant to have the new figure at 5 p.m. every day but still shows that for 27th March.

Is this incompetence from BBC and Guardian? Surely not…

Sarah maybe as someone is ill and resources are over stretched? A bit of common sense. Do you get off on a rolling death counter? Does it make a difference if this is showing 1000, 1200, or whatever the fuck?

TYRAN says:
28 March, 2020 at 6:31 pm

Because they had no problem reporting the cases/deaths for each nation of UK at the beginning,why the change? I think we know why

In the year of our lord -To date 28 of March 2020

935-ENGLAND Deaths
40-SCOTLAND Deaths
38-WALES- Deaths
15-NI-Deaths

We like details to show spread and hot spot areas.You can bet if rate was higher in Scotland or Wales or NI , you would know about it!

WE SEE YOU BBC!

Expect the Tories to try to turn this social disaster to their political advantage. BoJo was claiming to be leading the fight, the other nigh. Evan that wee shite Gove was telling us to listen to the experts. Yet he was claiming Britain has had enough of experts, when selling Brexit to a gullible and traumatised society (austerity).

If there is one principle in life that will help to prolong your existance, it’s never to trust a Tory with the integrity of your biological security.

Notice how even at this time the Westminster guv and their media are still politicking using the Covid figures to present the UK as one country, because if Englands mortality percentages are higher than anywhere else it might reflect on Johnson not being decisive enough and if other country’s perhaps fare better their leaders might look as though they were listened to more than him

The EU doesn’t present it’s figures for their Union, each country is a country and has it’s own people and media to present its own figures

Even America presents its numbers state by state

Has anyone yet seen the bbc/stv broadcasting news about the new assessment centres in Scotland. Channel 4 did a bulletin on it, anywhere else?

Nowt

link to channel4.com

It could be a muppet prime minister…oh wait… and during this type of crisis it’s fairly typical that approval ratings go up for all head’s of state. It’s not fucking rocket science.

COVID19 is worthy of news airtime, of course it is, but so too is

a) the Epstein structure that needs investigated

b) the current oil war which has seen a 68% drop in oil prices over just 12 weeks

Look!……..a squirrel

As we post there will now be over 1,000 Corona Virus Deaths in England.

You are more than twice as likely to die in England as you are in Scotland.

That Bastard Boris just days ago had the nerve to say on TV that Scotland’s
NHS was under performing yet All the Stats show year on year we provide
The best NHS services across all of England’s colonies.

The difference is the SNP government put health first and try to fight the decade
Long austerity cuts to our budget from Westminster.

Labour controlled NHS Wales also continues to fall well short of Scotland’s NHS.

Vote for any Unionist Party and reduce the level of Health support for all your family and
See it privatised.

Do you fancy playing Russian roulette with your children’s healthcare future?

From what i can make of the numbers today 1019 deaths/17089 infected

Each UK country is as follows

Infected 17089

Scotland 1254 7.3%
England 14427 84.4%
Wales 1093 6.4%
NI 324 1.9%

Deaths compared to infected in each country

Scotland 40/1254 3.2%
England 926.14427 6.4%
Wales 38/1093 3.5%
NI 15/324 4.6%

So England actual has about the correct ratio for its population but the worst outcome for survival. Scotland the best outcome.

NI & Scotland slightly lower infection than population percentage and Wales slightly higher.

Is this Boris 72% support of Johnson for his crisis handling or having the virus.

@ Liz g and others: as you spotted, the point I was making was the “unreliability” of information given in the media.

That is the most terrifying thing. Why is the media protecting/promoting the false stories – e.g. the way the BBC for 20-30 years promoted Farage; the lack of critical reporting of Johnson’s dishonesty/laziness,and the Tories’ lack of ability and honesty; not giving the truth about the benefits of being in the EU/single market etc etc etc.

Why do the owners of the papers, and the people who run the BBC, want to harm the vast majority of the population in Britain? I don’t get it.

If the media told the truth we would be living in a better society because we wouldn’t have such a poor quality of politician. We wouldn’t be killing people in far off places. Our welfare state would have been supported. Our employment laws would still be in place. We might even have a reformed and written constitution. And Scotland restored to itself.

Brexit and this virus are being used by government [including Holyrood] to deprive us of even more rights. “No elections. No independence referendum because…virus, squirrels…” At any minute they could take away the internet “for security reasons”. What is to stop them? We can’t gather to protest, after all.

I think in a crisis we need more democracy, not less. Planning, not banning, would make elections and referendums possible.

If I wasn’t frightened before, I would be now.

Be careful

Here’s a wee story I copied from another blog…..

“Haven’t been following slugger the last few weeks because I most likely had covid-19. I was over in England for work and picked something up, got kicked out of Brittania Hotels because I had coronavirus symptoms. I was forced (2 days later) to take a train to Glasgow where I have a house. A total disgrace and a public health crises. I didn’t take a car so I had no other option. Fortunately the trains were empty.

They told me they didn’t have enough tests and if I got worse contact them. If I did have it, for those of you who are curious, it was like a baseball bat to the head and a rough fever, body aches, chills. I didn’t have a cough but I had a sore throat and a runny nose a week before it so may have had it longer.

One thing I did notice is that the English were, up until recently, going to pubs. I think they will be hit harder than most countries just from what I have seen, it wasn’t taken seriously 2 weeks ago.”

Interesting

link to twitter.com

This guy has excellent blog too

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I don’t think we have cracked the cartoon yet. Does ‘La Tarte’, which the gentleman in the restaurant wants to be put on the window sill for a while so that it can be served to him cold, refer to someone else? In other words, who is (or is meant by) ‘the Tart’? Who is this ‘Tarte’ (a feminine noun) who is so full of ‘vengeance’, the way an ‘apple tart’ is full of apples, and a strawberry one of strawberries?

And what is going to happen to her after she has been put on the window sill for a while (must be a bit chilly and uncomfortable out there)? Well, once she has been cooled down out there, she might still be alive … but it looks as if the gentleman in question, in the restaurant, is going to eat her up, doesn’t it … ?

Cooled down, and – maybe – eaten alive … Maybe.

If ‘La Vengeance’ is in her (‘La Tarte’ of that name), not him (the man at table), then who exactly is she? …

Well, we can’t answer that one, we don’t know her name. Mainly because the cartoon doesn’t tell us – she isn’t even visible yet, she is just referred to.

The gentleman in the restaurant knows who she is, and so does the waiter, but we don’t … Perhaps for legal reasons? … Anyway, in the meantime, let’s just call her … ‘Madame La Vengeance’ … That seems like the appropriate name for her.

AS I was saying, we are going to have to wait a little while before all is revealed … Madame La Vengeance is still hidden away on the shelf, or at least the window sill, for the moment. No doubt feeling the chill cold wind blow all round about her as her previously high temperature, when she was fully cooked and steaming and glorious, keeps dropping, dropping, dropping, in the night air, by the window, on the sill.

All of which must be bad enough, poor thing.

But it’s only going to get worse for her … Especially when she is really cold, and the waiter takes her off the shelf, or sill, on which she has been placed. For at that moment he will bring her inside and over to the gentleman, who has been patiently waiting in the restaurant until he is ready for her to be served up to him on a dish … Poor Madame La Vengeance …

At which point, so the cartoon seems to say, he’ll have her for breakfast … Metaphorically speaking, of course.

And that will be the end of her … Whoever, she is, this mysterious unnamed Madame La Vengeance, she’ll be finished off.

Is that going to be the title of the eventual and expected book: ‘Tarte a la Vengeance’? Referring, no doubt, to whichever ‘Madame La Vengeance’ cooked up this whole plot in the first place, since she will be the book’s central and most awful character.

To be honest, I hope not. I don’t know who this Madame is, and I don’t even want to. Ever.

I just want Scotland to become independent as quickly, and cleanly, as possible.

If the book would serve that purpose, OK … but if it doesn’t, and won’t, what do we need it for?

I am rather hoping that the gentleman in the restaurant just walks away from all this. That would be very big of him. No one likes being the victim of any Madame La Vengeance (or indeed any Monsieur La Vengeance either). So it will take a very large heart to do that (just walk away), but maybe such a heart can be mustered within the breast of the man at table in the restaurant, if only for Scotland’s sake.

It will take sacrifice to win Scotland’s independence. The cycle of vengeance has to stop somewhere, otherwise it will be never-ending. Who will stop it? Who will lay it to rest? Ongoing vengeance and feuding will not serve the cause of independence well, or be useful to it in any way.

The gentleman in the restaurant is obviously in full command of the situation, which is probably why he looks so happy. He commands the waiter, and he determines what the waiter will do with the ‘Tarte a la Vengeance’. And ‘La Tarte’ just has to go wherever she is taken, to be deposited wherever the gentleman tells the waiter to put her. She now commands and controls nothing. She can’t budge one inch from where she has been put, unless the gentleman orders her to be brought to him, at his table. For the very last time …

Yes, if she was ever there before, at his table, this will be the last time. Because in that case, when the waiter picks her up off the shelf or sill where she has been shivering, and may have gradually been frozen out altogether, it won’t be to come into the heat of the restaurant or the warmth of the company …

Oh no! At that point, it seems, her fate will already have been well and truly sealed. This will be the last time for ‘Madame La Tarte a La Vengeance’ (almost an aristocratic-sounding title, that: perhaps she once had pretensions) … She will never be at the gentleman’s table (or anyone else’s table for that matter). ‘Because – dear Madame La Tarte – I am sorry, but now it’s your turn. For the guillotine, that is! You wanted heads to roll – or, at least, one head, to roll: mine – but now, alas! (a lass!) it will be yours instead’.

‘Madame la Tarte’ will have been brought to the gentleman’s table only to be gobbled up, eaten alive and – with a smack of the lips – after some satisfying dining, quite done away with.

And, AS I already said, that will be that: – it will be the very end of her. Whoever she is. She will have met the final destiny of all the Tartes – whether they are aux Pommes (apple tarts) or aux Fraises (strawberry tarts) or simply, like her, vengeful tarts, a la Vengance’. She, like them, will have disappeared … completely and utterly disappeared … for ever. … Down someone’s gullet.

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you live by ‘la vengeance’, you die by ‘la vengeance’.

But this is true whoever you are – and whatever sex or gender you are, or think you are, or would like to be, or whatever crazy or not-so crazy declarations you make about yourself. It will be just as true for a ‘Monsieur La Vengeance’ as it would be for a ‘Madame la Vengeance’.

I hope very much it does not happen.

Whoever you are, vengeance is just that – vengeance. It is not a positive thing, and it is not yours or mine to mete out. There is nothing – not one thing, either in intention or in outcome – that is ever good about it. It is delusional. If you think it will give you satisfaction, you are in very deep trouble yourself. And you are in for a huge disappointment.

There may be a very understandable desire for it, with every good reason imaginable backing it up and goading you on, but it is always to be resisted. Nothing good will ever come out of it.

So the gentleman at the table has a decision to make. Yes, he can call the waiter to bring him his ‘Tarte a la Vengeance’ any time he wants. And when Madame la Tarte – whoever she is – is served to him on a dish, he can finish her off any way he wants to. He is in full command of the situation … so that’s one way he can go.

Or, he can just leave her where she is, out there on the window sill … pay his bill, and walk out the restaurant. He can walk away from her, and from the whole vengeance thing. And just let it die.

At that point, he really will walk away a free man.

And if Madame La Tarte, whoever she is, ends up neglected and lonely, and feeling the chill from (and of) all around her, well, at least it won’t be his fault. Or, if she keeps trying to inflict damage, when he walks away from the whole thing, the only person she will damage is herself.

Not easy to walk away from this mess. Not at all. Not easy for anyone who has been abused, or set up, or betrayed, even by former friends, maybe even best of friends, not easy at all for anyone on whom vengeance has been viciously visited, just to leave it alone, stir it no longer, and walk freely away from it. It takes a big heart to do that. A very big heart.

I am not sying it would be easy. Not in the least. I am saying it would be wonderful.

It will take big hearts – very big hearts – to win Scotland’s independence. Small hearts love vengeance.

Why are Wallace and Bruce such iconic figures in Scottish history?

Whatever criticism you may wish to make of one or (as some do, though I think they are mistaken) the other of them, they certainly are iconic. I think this is not just on account of their achievement, but because both of them had big hearts. AS they certainly did.

I am not saying they had no faults – they had plenty, as did everyone on both sides of the conflict (it was a cruel age, as is ours) – but they had bigger hearts than their opponents. And an intrinsically just and better cause to fight for. They never stooped to the low levels to which many of those who opposed them did.

Small hearts love vengeance. Small hearts are not Brave. Small hearts are despised. In the end, they win nothing. Nothing big, for sure. And our independence is not a small thing.

Scotland’s independence will be won by those with big hearts. AS the gentlemen in the restaurant undoubtedly – I hope so, at least – knows. He has decisions to make, but there is no rush. The situation has changed, he is once again a free man in a ‘commanding’ position: the restaurant is doing his bidding. He has time to think out his next move.

May he bide his time well, and decide wisely. Let whatever is best for Scotland be what’s best for him. Let that be the criterion. Can he sacrifice everything else for that end?

This is not the time for small hearts. The spirit of Vengeance has been vanquished, at least for now. ‘La Tarte’ has not triumphed. Let it stay that way. Let Lady MacVengeance make no comeback in any heart, whether male or female.

Not even in a heart that might feel justified in giving that Lady, and what she represents, space there, on account of having been so unjustly accused, so vindictively stitched up and so publicly hung out to dry.

Scotland’s cause can be furthered by flawed human beings, but not by vengeful hearts. It can be furthered by men who know they could and should have been better men, and by women who could and should have been better women – that’s why we can all play our part, for it is true in one way or another of all of us – but not by small and mean-minded hearts.

If we are flawed, we have no stones to throw. But we do have a job to do. We have to do independence – but without vengeance. The idea is to launch a better country – not a civil war.

This is the time for big hearts to show themselves. Flawed, no doubt, but big, and generous. With no stooping to the low low level of the vengeful-vindictive who dishonour themselves. Those who would ruin the just cause, out of vanity or revenge; leave them to self-destruct by themselves.

Hard though it may be to let go, after all that has happened, these things – vanity and revenge – need to be abandoned. They won’t win us anything. They will earn us only bitterness. and defeat. The best way to kill them off is to let them die of neglect. Leave Madame la Vengeance out in the cold, on the shelf (or window sill), where sooner or later she’ll self-destruct anyway, by her own downward-spiralling inner momentum. There is no need to expose her, whoever she is. There is need to walk away from the restaurant, free from all this. With the courage, leaving all this nonsense behind, to fight the good cause with the big heart and generosity that will indeed win the day.

These differences in health opportunities and life expectancy are not the fault of this government. However, neither austerity or Brexit can be considered supportive of action aimed towards the reduction of poverty. As such, and viewed against the background of this government attitude towards justice and equality, it is had to believe this government supports a comprehensive approach health. So it is kind of hard to trust BoJo and his stooges right now.

From the Pre-ARM briefing paper.

BMA Activity

The BMA strongly supports the comprehensive approach to tackling health inequalities set out in the 2010 Marmot Review30, which showed that differences in health and life expectancy follow the same gradient as wealth and social class. In 2011, the BMA developed a guide for how doctors can take action on the social determinants of heath.31

The BMA has consistently called for the reversal of public health budget cuts. The 2016 board of science briefing, Health in All Policies: health, austerity and welfare reform, examines how government austerity measures have hampered progress in reducing inequalities.32

The 2017 board of science briefing, Health at a price reducing the impact of poverty,33 provides an overview of the impact of poverty on health, noting that people living in poverty have a significantly lower life expectancy.

The 2018 women’s health briefing included a paper on health inequalities and women.34

To lobby for further action on prevention the BMA will publish a briefing ‘Making the Case for Prevention’ in 2019.

(www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/28/boris-johnson-coronavirus-outbreak-will-get-worse)
The above contains what BJ did say.
Below is probably nearer the truth.

BJ says: “It’s important for me to level with you – but it is difficult for me, because I’ve never levelled with anyone before, so , eh, you know, eh, well, here we go.

We know things will get worse before they get better. Because we have not been making the right preparations, and the more we all follow the rules, with the exception of the Royal Family, my Cabinet and I, and my wealthy friends, the fewer lives will be lost, not that that matters too much, and the sooner life can return to normal , well as near to whatever normal will ever be again, maybe in twenty years time… That is why, at this moment of national emergency, I urge you, please, to stay at home, protect the NHS so that I can sell the best bits off, and save lives, only not too many as we need to reduce the cost of Old Age Pensions by quite a bit. Actually a big bit.
I’m off now for a break, eh no, sorry, eh, I’m coughing twice a day so I’ll not be doing anything in the next few weeks, before returning to my desk, as well as my two colleagues, Alistair whothisname and Matt Hankook, who are also eh, faking it, eh, no no, eh, who are also ill just like me. Yeah, that’s it, just like me. Cheerio.”

Famous15

On my case again,,,you are one cheeky old bastard.

Are you going to the dried up old cows night out???

90% of posters here are infected with the anti SNP virus, all sane folk have given it a swerve and already left. I have full PPE, since I have a thick skin and couldn’t care less.

I pop in just to remind the 90% infected with anti-Nicola Sturgeon virus that there are still some that won’t fall for the UK states division crap.

The idiots that have found Nicola Sturgeon guilty of plotting to bring down, and if possible have Alex Salmond jailed for attempted r*pe without any evidence are who this is aimed at. Where is the evidence?

If you are not one of those creating the division then you are too thick to see that you are being used to spread it.

Jackie

I can only speak for myself and I only find disturbing your pretence.I am Scottish and you only pretend to be to besmirch the good name of our country.

So dinnae dae that.Twat.

Famous15

I have not got a fuckin clue what you are fuckin talking about.

Get off my fuckin case

You dried up old bastard

Take your shite out on some other bastard

The National is getting pelters on twitter!!

After Salmond had the grace to acknowledge that his next move has to wait until the virus is dealt with, the accusers have decided to use the time for their own benefit – not good, not good at all 🙁

jackie
I distinctly remember you complaining that there are ‘too many’ sexual minorities represented in the SNP hierarchy. That’s not a particularly liberal position to argue from, so who are you trying to kid? You appear to simply be here to flame the discussion and cause trouble. Prove me wrong.

Every cunt piling in

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