Wings Over Scotland

Haha, Well done Chris. I think that’s there’s a few of us would like to embrace that slimy wee toad Gove like that.

Time we told that Tory to Gove uck himself.

Thinking twice about being as petty as a Yoon over Sturgeons cheer, but the thing that struck me immediately about Sturgeon posting her wee cheer on Twitter was nothing whatsoever to do with Jo Swinson, but was it somehow asking too much to post a ‘fresh’ wee cheer spontaneous to the occassion? “Congratulations boys, here’s a special cheer I did months ago. I keep it on speed-dial just for occassions like this…”

Scotland Team scoring goals and taking us in to Europe, Scottish Government dithering for five fkg years in front of an open goal while Scotland is subjugated and bundled out of Europe.

The biggest cheer Sturgeon will raise is the one she gets for standing down to make way for somebody who knows what the fk they’re doing.

Think sturgeons gonna be like trump, hanging on till the bitter end.

Love the tattoo Chris. Haha

Are we gonnae wait that long again? Aye we are. Sad, but there we are.
Unless the SNP internal opposition act soon- Cherry etc-, after May next year it’s all over. Marshall’s dive was now or never. He pulled it off. Will they.
Another fine article from Mr. MacKaskil. (Yawn)

Mike d says:
14 November, 2020 at 8:39 am

Think sturgeons gonna be like trump, hanging on till the bitter end.

Looks that way, but she’s also proving the case why Scotland needs to update it’s “parliamentary” constitution to include a whole new protocol to cover impeachment proceedings, and known consequences for any “Scottish” Government which considers itself at liberty to overrule a sovereign and democratic mandate from the people.

I wonder how Sturgeon’s Imposter Syndrome is faring these days, especially what with taking all the credit for a swing in the polls towards Independence which she has done absolutely nothing to encourage.

Mind, that was probably a load of horseshit for the TV viewers, just like everything else.

When Sturgeon took over after the defeat of 2014, she almost certainly would have assumed as many of us did that the dream of independence was over. We forget how gutting that defeat was, how profound and final it felt.

In that context she, of course, had to come up with new visions of the future – her future as party leader and the country’s – along with new definitions of what success would mean in that future for a party that had essentially lost its reason for being.

Nobody could criticise her for assuming back then that the best we could hope for was more and better devolution. Nobody could criticise for defining her own part in the future quite narrowly in terms of comparatively boring stuff like social policy, social rights, employment legislation, gender legislation, etc. That’s all there really was.

Brexit changed everything. Sturgeon should have spent a few weeks formulating a serious strategic response to the Brexit vote and defining a whole new set of priorities for the future. She didn’t. She barged out in front of the cameras and did her usual “I’ve got this” routine.

Sturgeon is a tactician, not a strategist. She assesses everything from a short-ranged tactical standpoint. All of the problems the SNP faces today derive from that character flaw, the Salmond debacle, Brexit, failure on indyref2, the gender stuff, Covid-19, even the ring-fenced funds scandal.

And it’s that lack of strategic long-term planning that will be her undoing.

Salmond is quite the opposite, he plays the long smart game. The Tories when it comes to Brexit and suppressing Scottish independence are playing a long game too. Covid-19 is a long term problem. You can’t ‘wing it’ with stuff like this.

She keeps turning up to these gunfights with peashooters. In her mind she probably think it works – she gets passing praise from the English left, the EU, US democrats, etc., and probably thinks it’s going really well. But it isn’t.

There’s nothing there to fail on from a strategic perspective; it’s all just ad hoc ‘make it up as you go along’ opportunism, one gunfight after another, one speech after another, one camera after another, one crisis after another, one little pat on the back after another, to infinity and beyond…

The cameras go, the pundits move on to the next crisis, the next set of EU talks, the next gunfight, and Scotland is left standing there looking at Sturgeon with nothing. But “don’t worry, guys, she’s got this one too…”

It’s a world of means without ends.

Good Luck too with the AUOB National Assembly.

(I don’t think there’s much interaction unless you’re registered for the workshops etc, but hopefully there are productive initiatives making good progress).

With great timing as usual, this week’s Podcast from Barrheadboy speaks to Neil MacKay, National Coordinator for AUOB.

link to barrheadboy.com

Y’know Steve Clarke and his boys have given Scots back some hope and dignity again, and dare I say it the belief to dream again.

On the flip side of that coin, our FM Nicola Sturgeon is attempting ( with success I might add) to crush our dream of independence, a dream that’s been over 300 years in the making. There is no limit to where Steve Clarke might take Scotland at next years Euro’s I recall little Iceland and Denmark doing well on separate occasions, albeit in different footballing tournaments.

However with Sturgeon and Murrell at the helm, Scotland won’t be going anywhere on the independence front anytime soon. One can understand if not agree with a foreign countries parliament (England) wanting to keep hold of and drain Scotland of its resources, but we can never understand or agree with our very own SNP government, a party created to bring independence to Scots crushing our dream of leaving this union.

All it takes is a little bit of success, as Steve Clarke and his players have shown, for others to see it can be done and follow in their footsteps to the next World Cup and beyond. Independence can and will inspire future generations, we just need our very own Steve Clark to lead us to independence.

Stand aside Sturgeon and Murrell you’re killing the dream.

@Grouse Beater 8:53

He was only following orders

Aye, but, WHOSE orders?

Often wonder that.

I’m off on a rant here!
I was looking forward to seeing the Italy Vs Scotland match on TV today.
Is it on BBC Scotland- No.
Scottish Television-No.
Channels 4 or 5- No
Sky Sports or BT- No
What are they showing of more importance to Scots?
Well the BBC are showing England’s Women’s rugby Vs France!
ITV have horse racing from England.
ITV 4 has England’s football match with Cameroon from 1990? WTF.
If you are unwilling to be force fed English Sport past and present for your Scottish licence fee/tax, you can pay Amazon Prime to see Scottish rugby!
I’m a Scot with heredity. Get me out of here!

Well here’s me thinking the topic was Fitbaw and Scotland progressing for a change , but it seems a lot of folks are still stuck on the current SNP leadership well that particular sore point has been done to death most folk here agree that there is a big big problem and some really good ideas on how this ship filled with independence supporting passengers get it back on course.

A whole lot of people still filled with hope and energy minus a trusted leadership the whole YES movement is fragmented separate groups all doing their own thing when you think of it this YES movement is far bigger than the current SNP but it’s not one entity and speaks with many voices , the SNP have been allowed to box everyone into a corner , they were trusted so no one bothered thinking about alternatives , so here we are high and bloody dry with only one party to vote for and that party don’t seem to be following the script not only not following it they seem to have a totally different idea of what the majority have been led to believe was the plan .

I am glad I stopped financing this the current management and the the ideas they seem to be following I don’t remember being sold this particular Turkey after the first failed attempt at attempting to break from English domination and let’s face it total subjugation because most Scots have been indoctrinated into believing we all are incapable of running a country all the normal controls we need to move forward are and have been withheld in order to make certain our efforts are doomed to failure so our government takes all the Blame it was a trap our politicians were lured into believing they were in control , Mugs short sighted bloody fools and we believed they were doing well and were above Westminsters obvious failings and corruption .

Where are we now at this moment in time?
England’s government says no to section 30, and will continue to do so.
Snp keep repeating question to England’s government, and perhaps being deliberately blinkerd for agendas of their own.
The snp have closed all communications down between its members and the grass roots independence movement,
Westminster acting as English government only, breaking many of the 1707 treaty of the union acts,
Snp not working for the people’s sovereignty in Scotland or England, in fact they are looking like the same the mob as in 1707 whom tried selling Scotland, but sold themselves for English gold
instead. England blocks Scotland’s voice.
And England blocks Scotland’s voice in the devolved parliament, with thousands of civil servants and infiltration of snp.
Corruption is rife in both governments.
We have a few months on the outset to remedy this situation.
So where do we go from here, if any and all political parties are ignoring our political voice, if most legal judgements like the 2014 referendum, Sewell convention for example or Brexit are always in favour of the establishment?
We have to recognise that all legalities are usually set up to benefit the political establishment, both in England and Scotland.
All Scottish people as a nation, Due to the default of a power struggle between many factions hundreds of years ago, accidentally became sovereign, which produced “The treaty of Arbroath”, for the people of Scotland.
This treaty did not include Wales, Ireland, England, Catalan or any other country, it is Unique in its existence, one of a kind, and it is a international treaty,
It has been the Bain of England for a long time.
And although England tries to dismiss this international treaty, they also recognise it legally, through
the claim of right, again Unique to Scotland, one of a kind.
This is where our strength lies as a nation of sovereign people, above all governments or monarchies,
When watching the old black and white film of the coronation of the new queen Elizabeth, we note that a separate coronation procedure was done in Scotland compared to England, Wales and Ireland, we also note that the Scottish crown was offered to the new queen Elizabeth as a token, but she did not wear the crown of Scotland, nor go through the procedure of a full coronation,
Perhaps the new queen could not be legally crowned queen over the sovereign people of Scotland.
It also begs the question why England felt it had to do this procedure in Scotland only, and not in Ireland or wales.
Queen Elizabeth is not the queen of the sovereign Scottish people. only the queen of a British state as it stands according to the treaty of the union, in which we the sovereign Scottish people make up the other half.
These are our strengths, this is our sovereignty, we are Unique as a people, as a nation, in our position in this modern world,
Are we to allow Holyrude or Westminster to tell us we are not, or to let them decide the future of our precious and rare sovereignty,
We must act on our own behalf as sovereign people, we must display and assert our sovereignty for all the world to see, and let them see, that we the sovereign Scottish people do not give our sovereignty to Holyrude or Westminster, or any political party,
This is our get out the back door legal circumstance, let’s not ignore it at our peril.

Thanks for the link Brian but I’m
Not so secure in downloading an App
surrounded by Asian Babes in my area.

The wife may not be too pleased if they
delivered a double order.

Why oh why can’t I watch my country playing in
major spirting events in my country on my country’s
National Broadcaster?

All things Scottish are being suppressed by the bastards next door!

Effijy Try signing up for a free month on Amazon Prime, then you should be able to get all the Scotland games and thrn cancel the trial!
I have Amazon Prime anyways , free delivery to Arran mades me swallow my pride and use them. Its out of order the charges some companies charge, i bought a sand blasting cabinet last year,
They were wanting £90 delivery to Arran, got free 48 hr delivery to my cousins place in Paisley and picked up from there.

And there are no visible ads full-screen.

@Marie Clark says:
14 November, 2020 at 7:23 am
“Haha, Well done Chris. I think that’s there’s a few of us would like to embrace that slimy wee toad Gove like that.”

Make sure you are wearing waterproofs… and keep the sanitiser spray handy…

Always Beaker always.

Genius Brian,

Thanks

Better than Shortbread Radio

IB was very much on the defensive but not for changing tack

No more mandates are required for independence referendum are needed. The Post Salmond SNP have wasted far too many already. They will not be getting another one from me. Which is part of why I joined the ISP, the first party I have joined in my nearly 55 years on this planet.

I am very heavily involved in various ways in the ISP so invsted am I since they are much more devoted to Independence than the current day SNP. The I in our name tells you that.

.
Christopher Cairns,

That, sir, is a very cruel cartoon.

Michael Gove may be a disposable slice of dog excrement on the foot of humanity , but it is a fact that the he helped get rid of Dominic Cummings. Here is incontrovertible proof…

link to m.youtube.com

It is an important educational thesis link that you must look at to prove the veracity of my neurological prowess. I was bitten by the spider BrodicusB Brodicus and have subsequently developed super powers in link provision. You’re welcome. 😉

At AUOB Assembly, really good, well not for some individuals, good for the grassroots movement. Quote from AUOB Assembly:
Peter Young
35 minutes ago
If SNP candidates and staff can’t participate in sessions without bad-mouthing Wings and bring up petty disagreements with supporters of Plan B, stay on mute. Most people have come here today looking for positivity and out of frustration with the SNP, don’t make it worse.

In order to expand their vote base, the SNP had to play at British constitutionalism. Unfortunately, it appears that the SNP have adopted this parochial and exceptional approach to the law and human rights, as if it defines the legal universe. So they are now pretty much indistinguishable from the BritNat parties, as their power-base is simultaneously secured and constrained by Westminster’s law diktat. Which is divorced from the Natural law and moral reason, as well as lacking coherence with international law, so is unable to support democracy and public health.

If only the NEC were competent to support democracy, and had not been infiltrated by hard-core science deniers, Scotland might not be getting dragged out of the EU. And in a manner specifically prohibited by the Treaty of Union, i.e. English majoritarianism. Which is likely to cause significant harm to our economy, as well as the nature and quality of our social fabric and environment.

So here’s a look at “The Right of Self-Determination in the Twenty-First Century”, as we simply can’t trust our legal officers with the health or security of our nation. Or the justiciability of Scots law.

link to scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu

“One can address the right of self-determination from a number of different perspectives. For example, the exercise of this right in the past decade has had a dramatic effect on theories of international organizations, the role of force, and conflict resolution. Claims of self-determination led in part to the destruction of the former Yugoslavia, and the specter of secessionist movements has magnified the attention given to the rights of minorities and indigenous peoples.

In the following discussion, I will link self-determination to human rights in two different ways. First, I explore self-determination as a human right, addressing issues of content and definition. Second, I discuss the impact of self-determination claims on other human rights.”

Nice one Confused @3:32pm

Ian B @4:49

Thanks for that Ian. Some entertaining replies.

There should be a World Honesty Day too. Evans would stay well away from that.

Reading the majority of replies to Ian Blackford on Twitter on several threads, on blaming Westminster for Scotland not being independent yet, it would appear people have seen through this wretch of man, and know that he like his boss is a fraud, and a charlatan.

link to twitter.com

For amusement.
Watching news. Warning- (instead of) This government report contains flash photography, this government report contains lies.

Boom, boom.

Repofscot @5:28

Wishart and Blackford are making so much bread being at westminster.

They know all the words to Flour of Scotland.

Last one from me, but I think this guide to “THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS – QUESTIONS & ANSWERS FOR LAWYERS”, might prove instructive as to just how compromised our government and judicial system is.

link to echr.coe.int

“….However, as the Guide rightly addresses the subject of proceedings at national level before the Court’s international jurisdiction is brought into play, I can discern a wider reach for it, in particular among national judges, prosecutors and other participants in the administration of justice.

In more concrete terms, the Guide justly encourages lawyers to test their clients’ arguments under the European Convention on Human Rights (“the Convention”) before the national authorities and, by doing so, to involve them in the interpretation and application of the Convention….”

“We could be… in less than six months… have ballot boxes for independence, at the most legal and international recognised event that’s going to happen in Scotland, for I don’t know how long.” link to twitter.com

More on PPE procurement.
link to twitter.com

@ ROS

You mentioning the shutting down of sites reminded me that I noticed the following account has been suspended. This twitter feed was quite prolific in covering the various international networks and individuals behind Vote Leave etc.

link to twitter.com

TV guide for this evening for all Scots

Saving England’s pubs
Dad’s Army
English National Orchestra Concert
Great British Towns- London
My Yorkshire Farm.

Effijy
I forgot.
There’s also BBC Alba.
Enjoy.

Apologies if this has been posted before some interesting discussion i found via google this afternoon.
link to internationalskeptics.com

Dan
I just love your posts.
Brilliant.

@Pete,

this from the founder of the SNP nearly 100 years ago,

“The enemies of Scottish Nationalism are not the English, for they were ever a great and generous folk, quick to respond when justice calls. Our real enemies are among us, born without imagination.”

it has never been about hating England it has been, from the start, about Scottish emancipation from the Brutish State.

I do not hate all things English but I do love most things Scottish.
We are constantly being Anglo-filed.
England can go enjoy their football, rugby, cricket etc on their TV
but we can’t.
I expect and demand the right to access Scottish sport in Scotland.

There has been at least 10 times English Football internationals on
Our terrestrial channels than Scottish games.

England’s presenter Gary Linaker gets more money from the BBC gives Scottish Football.
I don’t dislike the guy but we go without and our TV licence money goes
to a millionaire retired football player who can read auto queue?

Dan at 8:05

Any help?

link to jamespaddock.co.uk

@Dan,

Lotus or early Saab might fit.

@ crazycat

Thanks, but I now know all I need or want to know about Triumphs, basically don’t go near them with a barge pole, for they have been designed by the mind of the clinically insane, with the engineering prowess of a primate throwing its shit at a tree thinking it is making a structure akin to yon marble carver Francesco Queirolo’s masterpiece Il Disinganno.

I was even warning the young apprentice at the garage yesterday about the hazards of quaffing a couple of bottle of cider of an evening whilst perusing Gumtree or Ebay for “bargains” and thinking that buying any “British” “Classic” was ever a good idea.
If humans are to continue to evolve for the better, then his generation should not ever have to be exposed or endure the time wasting folly of attempting to rebuild the utter crap our previous generations “built”.
There is more to life than roaming the land for months raking through crazy old people’s sheds trying to find usable parts made out of metal that seems to fizz away with more vigour than an alka-seltzer.

Just pulled the camshaft another couple of times to “finesse” the valve shimming. Got 5 on the money now with just 3 to go.
I use the word finesse rather than adjust because the shims are made out of such shit soft metal that they wear on the contact areas making accurately measuring their thickness to calculate what size you need to replace it with to get the correct clearance impossible.
You don’t have to put up with this shit with VWs…

Effijy
You are right on.
Everything in Scotland is English. I got a 1967 Birmingham copy of the Radio Times and in that issue were four popular programs from Scotland, with a Scottish content with Scottish entertainers and made and produced in Scotland. We used to have a big televised Scottish folk scene airing our wonderful music and song. Now we are down to a few wildlife programs that are networked across the UK with 99% output being English.
I remember when we had four proper Scottish supermarket chains, now all gone, eaten up by the big English stores which are used to dump English produce on Scottish consumers.
We had two car industries now gone, guess where the remaining ones are located.
Everywhere I go its English accents, instore radio stations like the coop, Debenhams T K Max etc self service check outs, covid announcements in malls.
And yes, then there is sport, Saturday night and Sunday morning English football, we apparently do not have a league of our own. And it is outrageous that the English National side are beamed into Scottish homes for free when we have to pay to watch our side.
I know this is a rant but it is a justified rant.
Would the English accept the situation if the position was reversed. We know the answer to that.

@ Dan at 10.26

Fair enough, but if you ever really do want any bits, my former pal might be able to help.

Last post on the TR matter.
Cheers for offers of assistance. However, this cylinder head is the 6th one I located but the first in usable condition, I therefore know where 5 other crap heads are in my locality so should be able to source shimage from these part donors.

Meanwhile.

link to twitter.com

Lizg

Yes there are cruise liners on the Clyde.
Azimara have 3 of their ships breathed in Glasgow
clearly visible from Braehead shopping centre.

Many of the cruise companies have conceded the ships will not be able to sail
again before April.

Even if a vaccine was available in the new year it would be short notice
assembling staff, booking ports and trying to sell it with just a couple of weeks notice.

Many Travel agencies have closed for good and many agents now unemployed.
No industry hit harder by Covid.

Effigy @11.08
Thanks for that.. 🙂
Was talking to friends and they said they’d seen ships…..and I did wonder
I knew a Winger would know 🙂 xxx

Like many above,I am not anti English,but when most of the voices in the media and in shops are not Scottish I fear for the perception it gives particularly to the young.

I had a friend who raved on about cultural imperialism being bad for the self esteem of our children but I do worry about the gaslighting effect this has just as I worry about the wall to wall Union jackery in our shops undermining ‘Scotland THE Brand’.

Many years ago I served on staff selection committees and it was common for some members to favour English candidates because “they spoke nicer”. For a while I thought we had dispelled that assessment of merit but I fear it is creeping back.

This is an important covid-related link, posted by Tinto Chiel on the previous thread.

link to bmj.com

@Lizg at 10.26pm: This web-site may be of interest to you: link to marinetraffic.com. It shows three cruise liners berthed at Shieldhall. Incidentally, on my last crossing of the Forth Bridge, I saw huge cruise liners berthed at Rosyth Dockyard, no doubt for the same reasons.

Hatuey @ 1.08 am

This was from the Herald on Friday where they’ve listed the 100 areas in Scotland with the highest number of cases of covid-19 ,

“ Coronavirus: Scotland’s 100 Covid cases hotspots revealed “

Glasgow had 48 out of the top 100 neighbourhoods in Scotland with the most Covid-19 cases between 4 November and 10 November. When analysing data from the Scottish government, looking at a breakdown of localised coronavirus cases in council areas across the country, it shows hotspots of Covid-19 per 100,000 of the population and the risk in each neighbourhood.

However, the council area with the most cases of Covid-19 is Glasgow City with 1,840 positive cases which works out at 290.6 per 100,000 people. Out of the 100 neighbourhoods with the highest cases of Covid19, 48 come from Glasgow and the rest are spread out mainly through the Central Belt. For example, Scotland had 7,971 positive cases between 4 November and 10 November, which was 145.9 cases per 100,000 population.

link to archive.vn

I expect that most of the central belt areas are going to be raised into level 4 lockdown this week . What annoys me about this the most when I’m out shopping are the amount of people who are totally ignoring the guidance about staying 2 metres apart , I’m fed up having to tell people when they get too close to me in shops and they all seem to think that they can just ignore it . Your also right about the schools as where I am all the children from secondary schools are all going about in big groups together , they seem to think that the guidance isn’t for them . You cannot blame the children from primary schools as they see their parents all standing together waiting at the school gates for them .

We’ve even had neighbours with three or four cars of visitors all going into their house at the same time just ignoring the guidance as well .

I’m angry about the situation now as the majority of people who have followed the guidelines are now going to be put into lockdown because of the selfish idiots who have caused this and they are the ones who are causing the rise in the number of cases and infecting vulnerable people .

I’d better get this out quick according to the BBC.
Labour has agreed to back the Tories in banning
any anti vaccine information on line.

Remember how they say freedom of speech is so important to them?

They claim misinformation on line should become a criminal offence.

Does plastering £350 Million extra to the NHS with Brexit count?

Does the whole raft of promises made by Westminster’s Vow Count?

What about driving 30 miles being the new eye test?

Westminster day by day drags us toward the dystopian society of 1984.

Was anything ever written more horrific than not being able to protest with
your last breath?

Scotland must break away from the immorality, corruption and suppression
imposed upon us from another country.

PS Stick your rushed through inadequately tested vaccine where the sun doesn’t shine on your Empire!

A. Person @ 7.59am: “All of a sudden people are questioning the government’s record and intentions. Is this just my imagination or selection bias?”

I agree, I think something is changing. Twice this week (OK, not overwhelming evidence!) I’ve had conversations with people well beyond our Yes community who have shown a surprising level of interest in, and real knowledge of, the Harassment Enquiry and the implications for Sturgeon; people who are also questioning government spin on the Covid crisis. I was picking none of this up from these same people just a few months ago.

How has this come about? Is there more reporting on the issues in the MSM than we Yessers, being a bit in our own communication bubble, suppose?

Anyway, I suspect the days of uncritical admiration for Sturgeon, carefully curated by the SNP, are over.

Tom, two things are happening which explain what you’re seeing.

1) Sturgeon is filibustering everything with covid-19 crowbarred into every answer she gives on every subject.

2) the tier system and lockdown measures aren’t working, the situation is worsening.

The people of Scotland are sovereign. Scotland’s people have given the SNP mandate after mandate to keep Scotland in the EU and deliver another indyref. The SNP have given us nothing but broken promises, followed by more empty promises of jam the morra.

The SNP are a disgrace. Their purpose was to assert the sovereignty of the people of Scotland to re-establish a sovereign Scottish state.

The SNP have become colonial administrators. Career politicians.
Bending the knee to the “sovereignty” of England’s Crown in England’s Parliament (re-branded as the UK Parliament).

NB. I have been sent a poor quality picture of an e-Mail
Which of course could be fake but seems to be correctly
structured, which advises that it looks very likely that the
First Minister will make announcements on Tuesday that
will impose further lockdown restrictions now at the highest
Level 4.

This will take effect as of Friday the 20th November.

As best I can make out it names Glasgow City, East Renfrewshire,
All the regions of Ayrshire, North & South Lanarkshire, West & East Dunbartonshire
Inverclyde and Stirling.

I personal think this has merit as the current restrictions are not having enough of an impact.

Can’t make out enough to give further detail but would the hope be to lower the restrictions
4 weeks later in hope of having families together for Xmas?

Pubs and restaurants will recoil in fear about their future with such a decision but can we put
Having a pint before the nations health?

People will have their families over for Xmas no matter what and inevitably the Covid stats will
Increase again in January.

Bad Bacteria, Boris and Brexit.
God help us!

The latest questions and results Poll by Scot Goes Pop is incredible.

And it makes the lack of campaigning by the SNP re the threat to Holyrood/Brexit/Internal Market Bill UTTERLY unforgivable and inexcusable.

Here is a little of what he has posted. The break down is more important than the overall results (even though those are nice).

‘If Scotland does not become an independent country over the next ten years, and if the Conservatives remain in power at Westminster, which of the following three outcomes do you think is most likely?

The UK Conservative government will substantially reduce the Scottish Parliament’s powers: 55%
The UK Government will abolish the Scottish Parliament altogether: 22%
TOTAL REDUCE/ABOLISH: 77%

of greatest concern to unionist  is fears over the future of devolution very much extend to coalition of support that delivered No vote in 2014,

74% of Labour voters,

77% of Liberal Democrat voters,

67% of No voters from 2014, and

59% of people who are currently minded to vote No again, expect that Holyrood will be diminished or abolished over the coming decade. 

Tories – they’ve lost sight of the fact that the militant core of unionism is only a minority of the Scottish population, and that the pro-devolution majority are listening to the rhetoric as well. 
 
If the UK Conservative government substantially reduces the powers of the Scottish Parliament or abolishes the Scottish Parliament altogether, would you be more likely or less likely to support Scotland becoming an independent country?

More likely: 69%
Less likely: 31%

Once again, it’s not just the Yes die-hards who are saying they would be more likely to back independence in that scenario – so are

71% of Labour voters,

59% of Liberal Democrat voters,

50% of people who voted No six years ago,

32% of those who would currently vote No, and even

27% of Conservative voters.  ‘

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More than anything the above information tells us, the Yessers, what information we need to highlight in order to get folk to Vote For Indy.

And incidentally – I think

Vote For Indy

(as apposed to IndyRef2) should now be a slogan. Much more flexible don’t you think?

@ Ian Brotherhood re 24/7 protests…

Ian in view of the above polling. A 24/7 presence at Holyrood would provide focus and a rallying point for those who want to join.

But some high profile Pith Helmet ‘flash’ protests outside the Civil Service Edinburgh Hub would certainly highlight the threat. And wouldn’t Pith Helmets be a very strong visual statement.

We could sell them – £1 each or 2 for a Euro.

If we get this up and running before Christmas, we can all sing ‘All I want for Christmas is my own country, my own country, my own country’

Anyway – Vote For Indy – We Can Do So Much Better Than Boris.

Anyway, I suspect the days of uncritical admiration for Sturgeon, carefully curated by the SNP, are over…

I think it’s a matter of resonance, combining with a growing impatience.

A much wider spectrum of people are now asking themselves “why on Earth is Scotland putting up with this?”, and when they go looking for an explanation, they are tripping over Six years of Sturgeon’s tepid inaction, incompetence, and the whole stench of corruption and the control freakery that’s trying it’s best to rig strategy and candidate selection.

If you look at that as momentum now beginning to overcome inertia, it is probably too late now for the SNP to realign it’s strategy and alter the landscape quietly with minimal disruption. The “ordinary people” are beginning to wake up and take notice of what the political anoraks have been saying for months, while the SNP has simply chosen to ignore all the warning signs.

In some ways it resembles No to YES movement. It’s pretty much one way traffic. I don’t see the Sturgeon / Evans / Wishart Brigade winning over many converts. They are like a NO voting Unionists… a massive edifice of established opinion that suddenly starts haemorrhaging support. It hasn’t the strength of argument to start winning them back. All it can do is vilify those choosing to leave.

The SNP really needs to stop the rot fast, and we all need this festering boil of the conspiracy against Alex Salmond properly lanced. That means all the dirt made public.

I also think a further problem which is being understated, is that if Sturgeon goes, there’s a whole boatload of others who’s coats are all on shoogily pegs. All those tarnished as Wokeratti, all those ambivalent or lukewarm about Independence, and even those who are simply keeping their heads down, will have awkward questions to answer.

Is the answer a new Party? Well, I think you have to set aside the List Parties as a separate issue, because they’re not presenting themselves as alternatives to the SNP, and for a whole new Party to be the answer means a new Party that’s a full bloodied alternative to the SNP. I just don’t see that happening, nor do I think it’s likely to hoover up the whole SNP vote, leaving an acrimonious hung Parliament. IF that’s the route we choose to follow, I think it only works by “fixing” the SNP.

The thing is, whether you fix the SNP, or supplant it with an alternative Indy Party, the Holyrood strategy of May Elections, the Scotland Act and Section 30 all share the same predictable trajectory. Everybody is hoping to deliver another democratic mandate, but it’s just the same ‘wildcard’ mandate, an ‘unsecured entity’, if it hasn’t put been secured by Scotland’s National Constitution, which recognises the popular sovereignty of the people.

I want Scotland to be much smarter than that. We can cut out a huge swathe of this faulty and futile trajectory, and save ourselves a lot of time and frustration.

It’s not a new Party that’s needed, it’s a new Parliament, with a Constitutional philosophy which has Scottish Sovereignty as it’s nucleus. If the SNP and Holyrood Parliament will not defend Scotland’s Constitutional integrity and sovereignty, then Scotland needs a Parliament and Government which will. It IS that simple.

In the short term however, I think Scotland needs to thinking more along the lines of declaring a state of Constitutional Emergency, and formulating a challenge to the UK Government’s Unwritten Convention on Parliamentary Sovereignty, and that challenge needs to have enough substance to it that the UN and International Community cannot ignore it.

There isn’t the time, nor indeed constitutional clarity, for a democratic vote to do that. There has to be a legal test case to establish the legitimacy and ascendancy of Scottish Constitutional Sovereignty. The primary objective is not political, but legal, and legal in International Law, not Domestic. There is no other action to be taken which is more important than this.

Keep saying it, over and over… Defend Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution, because that distinction makes Scotland’s Brexit an act of colonial subjugation contrary to International Law. If Brexit breaks International Law, the EU cannot sign off on Brexit until the UK’s constitutional dispute is resolved, and Westminster is in stasis until it has resolved it’s Hobson’s choice; to conclude it’s own Brexit without Scotland, or abandon Brexit in deference to Scotland having a sovereign veto over the Westminster Government.

In either event, the 1707 Union is untenable. The UK cannot survive. You want Scottish Independence? There it is.

MaggieC,
I understand that many people are terrified of the virus with good reason.
I also understand that many people are not terrified of the virus with good reason.

Blaming people for not having the same level of fear than you is, I would say unhelpful, especially under the circumstances of mixed messages from the government.

The goalposts have been moved on several occasions.
We were used to hearing the daily death toll, now we have to listen to the daily infection rate.
Surely you can see the difference between 100,000 18yr olds contracting the virus and 100 80yr olds contracting the virus?
If so, then you will understand that a count of infections alone mean very little.
If you can’t see the difference, then why are our kids at school?

Again and it’s unfortunate that I need to keep pointing this out. If anyone does not want to contract the virus they should not expose themselves to the virus, this means isolating.
It is genuinely not rocket science.

I’ll put it a lot more succinctly.

You, as a Scottish Citizen need to decide what defines your Nation.

Is it 1000 years of History, centuries of provenance, the Declaration of Arbroath enshrining popular sovereignty upon the people, and it’s associated Papal recognition and the 1320 Treaty of Edinburgh Northampton, where the Dowager Queen of England declared, “ that the Kingdom of Scotland, [would be] …separate in all things from the Kingdom of England, whole, free and undisturbed in perpetuity, without any kind of subjection, service claim or demand. – That is my Scotland.

Or

Is it Westminster’s version of Scotland, where all inconvenient treaties, references, records, which make references to Scotland as a Nation are meaningless. We have in effect a Schrödinger‘s Scotland, which exists on paper but doesn’t really exist if you simple ignore the paper.

Or

Is it Nicola Sturgeon’s Scotland, the only nation in the World where sovereign people need to ask permission to be sovereign.

Breastplate, you’re correct, it’s definitely not rocket science which is why I’m a bit puzzled when you say this; “ If anyone does not want to contract the virus they should not expose themselves to the virus…” just after you refer to schools.

Are parents choosing to expose themselves to the virus when they send their kids to school?

Kids are all potential ‘super spreaders’ since they often don’t show symptoms but they do spread it, of course. Again, not rocket science.

When scotgov discusses the potential of schools to spread the virus, the first things they say is “there’s no evidence to suggest…” that’s usually followed by some misleading info about how resilient kids are to it and how they rarely suffer too much when they do catch it – but that isn’t the issue, the issue concerns the potential for kids to spread it and feed it into their homes and the wider community. And that issue is flatly ignored.

Michael Laing says:
14 November, 2020 at 11:14 am
Now we discover that Sturgeon has been putting every obstruction in the way of independence all this time. There are no excuses. That woman is beneath contempt.

How you think the country can achieve independence when only 50% or less of the electorate want it mystifies me.

We have a sustained majority for independence for the first time ever, a tacit admittance that there is or will be a plan B and a committment by significant leaders in the SNP hierarchy to a referendum next year.

And you think the important thing now is a damaging attack on the SNP leadership that is guaranteed to create the sort of sideshow and squirrel distraction the Unionists love.

I am sure you will be so proud when you tell your North British grandchildren how you helped bring down the evil witch Sturgeon.

Yet again Scotland is poised to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ian Brotherhood

But what percentage of Japanese are considered to be in a high risk age group? From link to en.wikipedia.org

According to 2014 estimates, 33.0% of the Japanese population is above the age of 60, 25.9% are aged 65 or above, and 12.5% are aged 75 or above

12.5% of 126.5 million is a hell of a lot.

Breeks says:
15 November, 2020 at 11:14 am
Is it Nicola Sturgeon’s Scotland, the only nation in the World where sovereign people need to ask permission to be sovereign.

Yes, they do need to ask to be sovereign. So the world knows that is their wish. Which required a plebiscite of some sort, something you and your ilk conveniently ignore every time you get on your soapbox.

I have the feeling that if you could you would declare UDI all on your own without even asking the sovereign people of Scotland you are always bleating on about. That shows a dismaying combination of overweening arrogance and shocking contempt for your countrymen.

We must have a plebiscite, whether it is in the form of a referendum or a single-issue election. Pretending otherwise is childish.

Ian B,

The AUOB Assembly was on Hopin (no, me neither) which is used for conferences, so a different set up – they did it well, and listened to feedback on the less successful parts (the breakout sessions).

Ian Blackford blindly went ahead with the same old political rhetoric despite hard questioning from Leslie Riddoch and all the comments criticising him and the SNP, telling him what they are doing is not good enough, doesn’t work and we are fed up hearing about it. The conclusion: the SNP has no intention of listening. The leadership anyway. Angus was a different kettle of fish entirely.

Why are the SNP not listening? They can hear us, it was right there in Ian Blackford’s face, yet he still ignored it.

I might be a total Lesley Riddoch fan now, she was definitely the star of the show. I don’t normally do these things, and was a bit disappointed by the round-up at the end, but I signed up to next week’s sesh anyway – as people keep saying, if you don’t do anything about it, you can’t really complain – whether me sticking my oar in is any use, or that any of my ideas are of interest to anyone, I don’t know, but I reckon I give an alternative viewpoint, and that should be useful in itself (re formation of an assembly type thing).

Hatuey,
You misunderstand me.
My point is you can’t have it both ways.
I don’t believe one can argue that the virus is so dangerous that you can rightfully complain that someone is encroaching on your personal space at the same time demanding kids go to school.

Either you think it is dangerous equally for everyone or you don’t.
If you don’t think it is equally dangerous for everyone then it can be argued logically that it merits a differential approach.

George,
Just to for clarity, I’m arguing the exact opposite of what you suggest.

Okay Breastplate, understood.

Effijy, I wasn’t suggesting you posted or referred to the JJ article / Evans / Allison. I mistakenly thought it would be okay to discuss two different and unrelated issues and comments in one post.

Ian Brotherhood, Japan with a population about 25 times great than Scotland’s (125 million) has had under 2000 covid-19 deaths. They must be doing something right. By the same token, we must be doing a lot wrong.

Okay the big bet is on. £4 on Scotland to beat Slovakia 3-2.

If I win I’ll have about £140 to fritter.

Do I have a chance?

@Hatuey,

Saving a lot of words. NO.

Effijy
As you constantly annoy me by making out everything is so much better in our little paradise of Scotland compared to our neighbours down south, here is a stat that I’ve never seen you mention.
In terms of population the death rate from Covid in England and Wales is 0.76% as against 0.88% in Scotland.
Wow!!

Tory competency is going swimmingly…
link to twitter.com

Re the covid scenario, me and my wife drove down to benidorm last feb for 3 weeks, stayed in a hotel. Went to benidorm market twice which was heaving. Wandered about the bustling old town and promenade most evenings before finishing up in one of the many packed pubs and restaurants.drove back to england stopping twice overnight in spain and france. Arrived back in dover beginning of march. Put into lockdown 4 weeks later. We both must be very lucky we didnt catch this virus which was/is apparently rampant. We’re now at the stage we dont know what to believe anymore.

ScotsRenewables @ 1:15

The SNP’s honesty, integrity and effectiveness can be summed up in a single sentence, oft repeated by their Westminster ringmaster…

“We will not allow Scotland to be dragged out of the EU…”

‘Nuf said, apart from stating the bloody obvious that it is Boris and Brexit who are to be credited for boosting support for Indy – the SNP have done sod all but take the credit for the numbers, which if they actually did what it says on the tin would be nearer 66% Yes than 56%.

Do yourself a favour and don’t go buying a used car anytime soon… salesmen have a nose for identifying the highly gullible.

Good luck to the SCOTLAND team this afternoon . Hopefully we get a good result .

Off Topic but tough

Yesterday wife was in shop Queuing at the checkout the demented bat in front demanding she kept her distance while almost touching the person in front of her , Aye very clever dear,it wouldn’t have been me she verbally accosted ,so any of you Nazi inclined Nutters out there stay in yer bed and stop dictating what other folk do ,yer masks and distance freekery ain’t bleedn working if it was we wouldn’t still be bleedn doing it would we ? .

Don’t attempt the moral outrage shite it won’t work just like the current Sales Promotion of the untested Chemical Concoction that’s being forced on a unsuspecting public ,all of a sudden free choice has been removed I must have missed that particular vote I don’t remember being asked .

Do we all of a sudden trust a Government any Government that has a proven track record of lying to the Public since the First World War have they suddenly become whiter than white

Drug companies have a long verifiable record of criminal behaviour and covering up their mistakes in order to avoid prosecution and they also now just like Governments become pure as the driven snow , yes of course we do silly we should believe anything they say .

Only government approved information has been proposed by the bought and paid for Labour Party this is a attempt to make it more palatable to the public because trust in this Tory party has went through the floor yeh you can always trust Labour , eh IRAQ WAR anyone ? , Vietnam War started on the same lies as all other presentations pushed by trusted politicians.

These Trials completed at record speed have one fatal Flaw ” TIME ” you cannot compress the Time element to speed the results , Also the test subjects have to be fit and healthy before they take part what about the vulnerable people who probably currently take a cocktail of drugs ? anyone who takes any drug will know the size of the warning notice enclosed in the box or package sometimes it takes up more space than the actual drugs.

So I guess you might just gather I ain’t talking part in these particular ongoing trials so if you can’t access a jab feel free have mine fill yer boots post a request here first come first served .

Effijy
I took the figures from the BBC who report from the UK and SG figures.
Maybe I’m wrong but here are my figures.
Scotland – deaths 4856, pop. 5.5 min = 0.88%
England and Wales – deaths 46910 pop. 61.5mn = 0.76%
Happy to be corrected.
Have a nice day.

@Scots Renewables,

It is pie in the sky. Jam tomorrow. A dead parrot. It’s not going to happen. Empty gestures.

Set a date? You have more chance of setting a jelly in the sahara.

Hi Effijy at 1:56 pm.

You typed,
“They lied, when they gave figures for PPE Kit supplies, a pair of gloves is not 2 items”

To be fair, disposable gloves, as used in hospitals and labs, are supplied as a box of 100 individual gloves, fitting either hand. They are not sold in pairs.

@ScotsRenewables says:
15 November, 2020 at 2:10 pm
So if the SNP announce a referendum date and set the wheels in motion Andy, Robert and the rest of you will ignore it?’

I can’t speak for the others, but if the SNP announce a referendum date, I for one would be delighted and support it 100%.

But if they don’t, if those of us who have concerns about current SNP leadership policy prove correct in our fears. Will the lack of an IR2 date announcement, be enough to make you sit up and start to share our concerns.

One area we can unite upon. With or without the SNP – getting support for Indy over 60% and informing Scottish Voters of the dangers to Holyrood with Brexit – is ground that needs to be covered, and covered now.

Once again I would encourage others to have a look at recent polling by Scot Goes Pop with regards how former No voters view the dangers to Holyrood by Brexit/Tory Governments and how this changes their view of voting for Indy. It is the game changer.