Wings Over Scotland

Reality is the undisputed champion (editing will achieve nothing:) –

Long live Wings…

Wrong.

Neoliberalism is the fail. It’s sold all the family silver & it’s assets to foreigners & has fck all income now. The days of just printing money & exorbitant privilege of living off the plunder are over too as colonisers are told to pack their bags & fck off…so they need a war..gotta keep the grift going..

The most current example of Socialism failing is Cuba running out of sugar. It’s as if Saudi Arabia ran out of sand.

It works fine in countries such as Venezuela – it was Henry Kissinger who said (or words to that effect) with Chile in mind, that we can’t allow socialism to flourish in Chile – even if Chileans vote for it – which they did, so the US and its allies couped Chile – killing its leader Allende – they then proceeded via proxy fighter – to carry out mass murders and installed, Thatcher’s great friend the dictator General Pinochet.

Chile then became a experimental country for the rampant capitalist Friedmanism – which Thatcher introduced to the UK – and now the UK is is in a terrible state.

The US and its allies have been regime changing socialist countries for decades – not because it doesn’t work, but because they fear it.

Kissinger’s exact quote.

“I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.”

We know all about  Juan Guaidó – and the Washington backed Voluntad Popular in Venezuela.

You see what happens is the US places wide ranging sanctions on a country – lets say Venezuela – for not complying with US wishes – as I’ve said before, these illegal sanctions are war by other means – the well to do sections of society – then complain that their businesses, lifestyles are suffering – not because of the illegal US sanctions, but because the democratically elected president, isn’t complying with a foreign countries demands.

The democratically elected president – wants to make the lives of his citizens, more fairer and equal with a better standard of living etc – this is not conducive with the rich in societies goals.

They then turn against the incumbent government – and do the the USA bidding – this a basic but effect principle of regime changing.

Utter nonsense as usual – though you can take comfort in – that Trump has said he’ll “sort out” Central and South American countries – when he take office.

Look out Venezuela and Nicaragua.

Trump has already as POTUS tried to coup Venezuela – though he seemed more interested in Guaido’s wife than Guaido himself.

I can’t confirm this, but – its been touted around – that Trump has already purchased the land for his new golf course – beachfront land in gGa-z-za–a

Yes I knew that – the US had the premier of Bangladesh couped – (though she didn’t help herself with legacy employment laws) – because she wouldn’t give the USA the Saint Martin’s island – to use as a staging post.

The island which lies North of the Strait of Malacca – would be an excellent staging post to interfere in China’s sea route trading – along with allowing the US to hold sway in a vast part of Southern Asia.

No. They’re fleeing crippling ILLEGAL SANCTIONS imposed on them by colonisers.

Cuba has the most Sanctions imposed on it for fck all.

Venezuela are mega rich in natural resources but the colonisers block investment & infrastructure so they can rob the country blind by paying peanuts for raw goods rather than the going rate of refined. Even Trump bragged he was stealing their oil for nothing.

The USA is the cluster fuck ruling over everyone else’s economy like they own the world but that’s about to burst..

Who has erected walls to keep people from fleeing their country? Communist East Berlin, for one.
The Soviet Union, for another. Ever hear of the “Iron Curtain?”

Possibly here’s why.

Operation Unthinkable, Churchill’s plan to invade R00ssh-ai after WII – because the West didn’t want R00s-hhia to have any control in Central/East Germany – even though many East Germans were okay with it.

Lets not forget that it was R00sshhia, that all but won the Second World War, losing over 20 million people in the process.

Next you’ll be citing the great Wall of China, or Hadrian’s Wall – or the Antonine Wall.

Socialists don’t love the poor they just love hating the rich.

Well they start by pretending to care about poverty then when in power they milk the lot for themselves.

Alf -“Scots langage is nivver taucht”.

That bold assertion is wrong.

Scots is taught in schools though not perhaps at a level you would wish.

Under Salmond’s stewardship the approach to languages was to open the door and make the early learning of languages normal. It is happening and being monitored..

There has been an increase in the numbers learning Scots. Gaelic is the third most popular language behind French and German.

link to gov.scot

Well, Alf, research finds Scots is presently flourishing in Scotland, being spoken by most people (though not read or written much). Few speakers of Scots may regard it as a language but just their way of speaking.

There ” is widespread and strong recognition of the role of Scots in contributing to the culture, history and identity of Scotland.”

If colonialism is at work it seems not to be very effective in expressing Scots which I hear around me every day.

Most of those who do not connect with Scots language are not Scots

Don’t take my word for it.
.https://www.open.edu/openlearncreate/55/d7/55d7d4a3f67e73c4a2e412bda67f0248b32aa70e?response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22Public%20Attitudes%20Towards%20the%20Scots%20Language.pdf%22&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&Expires=1735767300&Signature=WxyIgb9GcmrzbglmlaHvsw~5TkUukX~jeJfrbwMkAjw~eCXwtQiO1B5lpknKKwWsYPu8xOJpagDlOPVcCcxcWYY0n0jITkdKevlH58sy2ga~ntcK3qL70ueK36o9LoH-juNBtsoKlgg4SQ2f-6Q3BgMstWsAc-lkNdd~7NQcYIWq0Wgjp1keeXdIj-zrHbfwYhaAl3V~zzFojr20ewZHOTVd-1X4WPsBLg6Ip7~JPCrqZIWepGMX46MihAHmgf2DGmBPSMg5WL2P185TAVgx5YJvkob–JbS1BdDgn-gHT0-5EQwdftMpbH4EFVmSfyaEl4Hiya2KiQu7wpZ5PEVEw__&Key-Pair-Id=K19YM1UI0NPZI1 

It’s Public Attitudes towards Scots language.

No link

Have a read at the Springer link just upthread, Mia?

Also, according to the 2011 Census 1.5 million of Scots identified as Scots speakers. That makes the language the second most used after English not only in Scotland but in the UK.

Young people will pick up Scots from around them as well as in school.

There are barriers to learning Scots as well, one being that many do not see it as a language in its own right.

See here.

link to scottishbooktrust.com

And the “cringe” still hangs around Scottish culture. “Language attitudes and Scottish Inferiority” by Jim Miller

Do you know how the Scots Language Bill is progressing? I don’t.

& yet here you are trying to insist we cannie huv a referendum while at the same time claiming we’re not colonised.

Which one is it?

It must be taxing being a Yoon. Full of so many contradictions & hypocrisies 24/7. Go give yerself a wee lie down. Do you even know what colonialism is?

You seem unable to ‘read and comprehend’ Geri’s question:
‘ Do you even know what colonialism is?’

We are not taken in by your faux erudition but good luck with your rite of passage anyway.

Because Scotland hasn’t lodged a case ….yet.

Do you own a dictionary?

Colony:

“A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country”

Scotland: Can we have a referendum & be in charge of our own resources & money?

England: NAW!! Fck off Jock.. we’re in charge.

That sounds awfully like full political control fae where I’m sitting.

How’s about the yoons dictionary? I suppose it’ll have a fab new, just this minute invented, definition all of its own cause yous are special…

Scotland is not a colony. Scotland is the equal partner of the Kingdom of England with whom it voluntarily entered into an international treaty.

But Scotland is being treated as a colony. There is absolutely no doubt about it. The Kingdom of England has abused the treaty and has continuously used it as an excuse to exploit Scotland as a colony.

Actions speak louder than words.There are far too many examples to prove this to list here, but, if I may, I will mention a few.

One example is the relentless attempts by England MPs and English judges using English law and English law convention in English courts to assume for the UK parliament “parliamentary sovereignty”. When the parliament of Scotland ratified the treaty, it did not own parliamentary sovereignty. The sovereignty of Scotland lies with its people. The parliament of Scotland could not transfer to the new parliament of Great Britain what it did not have. England MPs simply self assumed that they could rule over Scotland at will, therefore they are currently encroaching on the Scottish people’s sovereignty. This would not happen if Scotland was not seen as a colony.

Another example is the presence of an unelected representative of the crown of England in the middle of what should have been a democratically elected government cabinet. This unelected representative of the crown otherwise known as “Lord Advocate”, is actively stealing control over the executive and legislative powers from the people of Scotland and handing them to the English crown. This is effectively imposing on Scotland absolute rule. This would have never happen if Scotland was not seen as a colony.

Another example is the presence of that entity known as “crown office” and that figure known as “crown agent” that are attached to the jugular of Scotland’s prosecution service. There is no equivalent to that “crown office” nor “crown agent” foisted on England’s prosecution service. Scotland has been lumbered with this so called “crown office” and “crown agent” because it is seen as a colony.

Another example is the presence in Scotland of a so called “Secretary of State”. What is the supposed role of this figure? Scotland already has a colonial administrative unit, otherwise known as “Scottish government” or “Scottish parliament”. Why do we need that figure? And where is the counterpart of that figure in England? We have this representative of England’s government in Scotland (effectively a viceroy) because Scotland is seen as a colony.

Another example is the systematic frustration of Scotland’s democratic will for the best part of 10 years. Examples of this are the result of the EU referendum. Scotland never voted for Brexit. Actually, Scotland never gave consent for Great Britain to be taken out of the EU. Yet, the Kingdom of England, with the collusion with our useless so called “representatives” dragged Scotland out of the EU. Another example is the systematic frustration for the last 8 years of Scotland’s democratic mandateS, because there are several of them, to hold an independence referendum. But this systematic frustration of Scotland’s expressed democratic will has been seen for centuries, like the disgraceful and appalling way the result of the referendum of 1979 was frustrated by the English government and parliament. This only happens because Scotland is seen as if it was the property of England of its colony.

Another example is the way the kingdom of England is ransacking Scotland’s resources as if they were its own, exploiting them for its own profit and benefit. Examples of this is how the KIngdom of England is taking for free the electricity produced in Scotland, the oil extracted from Scotland’s territorial waters and the gas extracted from Scotland’s territory including territorial waters. What is beyond outrageous, is that despite the Kingdom of England taking all that for free without paying us a single penny for it, the people in Scotland are forced to pay for the electricity produced in their own effing country, MORE than what the English people pay in England for the electricity produced in Scotland and that the kIngdom of Scotland takes for free. Yet, our useless so called “representatives” either look the other way or clap in approval. This only happens because Scotland is being treated as a colony, even, disgracefully, by Scotland’s own so called “representatives”.

Another example is the way England (as the UK)’s government feels entitled to sell large pieces of Scotland’s land for the so called “freeports”. When exactly were the people of Scotland consulted and asked permission for the selling of massive chunks of their own effing country? That would not happen if Scotland was not treated as a colony.

Another example is how Scotland has been reduced to the status of Wales, which entered the treaty of union as a dominion of the Kingdom of England. A wonderful example of this is how Scotland, the same as Wales, has a devolved “administration”, a colonial administration more like. Yet, England has nothing of the sort and instead, uses and abuses the parliament of Great Britain as if it was its own effing parliament. This asymmetric devolution is, in my opinion, unlawful under the treaty of union. This would not have happened if Scotland was not seen as a colony.

Another example is how the Kingdom of England has constantly its hand on Great Britain’s taxpayers’ purse and uses it as if it owned the whole lot. Scotland, Wales and NI had to make do with some crumbs that England throws at them, whilst England’s expenditure is not constrained by anything. This only happens because the Kingdom of England sees itself as above Scotland and is if owned Scotland.

Another example is how the Kingdom of England quickly reclaims ownership of all its own assets and the assets of everybody else. When it comes to debts though, England’s debts are the debts of everybody, so effectively we have the Kingdom of England sucking the resources and assets from everybody else whilst it foist on them a portion of its own debt. This only happens because Scotland is seen under an imperialist prism.

Another example is how, due to Westminster’s distribution of the HoC, the only country of England, Wales, Scotland or NI for which there is actually a functional democracy and the only country who controls what is passed in that parliament, is England. This only happens because Scotland’s opinion is seen as irrelevant and that can only happen because Scotland is treated as a colony within this political union.

Another example is how the warmongers of the kingdom of England consider themselves entitled to use and dispose of Scotland’s territory as if it was their own backyard. Scotland is being used as the graveyard of nuclear waste and the playground or rich English aristocrats. Again, this only happens because Scotland is being treated as a colony.

Another example is the interference of England’s political parties, England’s MPs, England’s actors and actresses, etc, etc, etc, in Scotland’s referendum in 2014. How much money raised outwith Scotland was poured into the “Better Together” campaign? In any other country, interference from other country and pouring money raised on other countries to force the result of a referendum would be seen as illegal. It was not the case here because Scotland is treated as if it was a colony.

Another example is how the language of another country has been imposed on Scotland as its main language, despite Scotland having its own languages. A dramatic example of this is the way some self-entitled arsehole England MPs, who speak as if they were chewing wasps, had the brass neck to laugh at Scottish MPs accents or demand them to speak English because the ignoramus England MPs could not possibly understand those who do not speak as if they were chewing wasps. One wonders how on earth these wasp chewers actually communicate with their own constituents. Only in a situation where Scotland is seen as a colony can explain that the people of Scotland is expected to ditch their own native language and adopt the language and culture of their neighbour country as the official language and culture.

Another example is how the kingdom of England’s representatives and even its own crown have been systematically and relentlessly violating the fundamental conditions of the treaty of union and yet, they expect us to continue to abide by the treaty. This can only happen because the treaty was only seen as the means to take control over Scotland as a colony.

I could go on, and on, and on and on some more. The Bottom line is that Scotland is not, by definition, a colony. It is England’s equal partner and has the legitimate right under international law to revoke the treaty of union at any time of its own choosing. But the treaty of union has been used for the last 300 years by the representatives of the Kingdom of England and by the crown of England as an excuse to treat Scotland as if it was England’s property or colony.

Considering that support for independence in Scotland is increasing, If I was a colonially minded “unionist”, I would not consider what I wrote above and the growing sentiment among the people of Scotland that their country is being treated, abused and exploited as if it was England’s colony, a laughing matter.

Well said Mia.

The late John Jappy was a great source of info too regarding the mindset of the UK government at the time oil came ashore. Their tactic was to ridicule the Scots that their estimates were ridiculous & the oil was worthless whilst they lavishly spent money refurbishing London.

It still continues to this day even by eejit yoons on here who probably had Heinz beans for tea tonight & sit with their Union Jack blankie watching BBC Englandshire tell them that Scotland is shite & besides, huge corporations deserve our oil & pay no windfall taxes cause they deserve it more than they do… they’ve a hell of a time of it…

Question they never seem to ask themselves – how can they have a windfall on profits if the oil is running out & the stuff they do manage to extract is shit anyway? It’s one of life’s mysteries so it is…

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Fantastic @Mia

“Scotland is not on the list”

Then we will have to include it in the list, don’t we?

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Let’s discuss the No vote shall we….

The rules of Purdah were clearly violated by three ENGLISH politicians travelling to Scotland to punt us The Vow & promises of Super Devo Max & later the Smith Commission,

Let’s see how they faired…

1. More powers?
Nope! They actually removed over 80..so not exactly the most devolved parliament on the planet as punted during indyref eh?

2. Devo max?
Nope! In what universe was power over Road signs devolution max?

3. Near federalism?
Hahahaha!

4. Stay. Be a valued equal partner in this ‘family of Nations’? *Sniff* Please stay! *Sniff* Lead don’t leave us!! We love you Scotland *sniff*
Nope, quick, the Scots are coming to OUR parliament! To the barricades! Fckn Jocks! They’ll steal OUR parliament & Salmond is a pickpocket too! Let’s all exercise the Bain principle!

5. Remain in the EU?
Nope! Despite voting remain. Piss off, Scots. The only nation in the UK, & it’s equal partner to the Union, got sweet fck all. NI, a Provence, got to remain FFS!

6. More say in Westminster?
Aye, ‘shut it!’ As every single thing was voted against including the shit they promised during indyref.

7. The oil is running out!
Nope, it’s still there & Cameron sold record licences less than a month later & Shetland kicked up a storm to discover more..

8. On the 19th of September 2014 Cameron took to the steps of Dowdy street to put the boot into No voters. They were actually getting fuck all for their loyalty. Englandshire was now first & Westminster was THEIR parliament. They’d now introduce EVEL.
Cheers, MUGS!

9. Smith Commission – Scots can have an independence referendum if that’s what the Scots vote for..
Nope! Five mandates (Westminster & Holyrood elections) & an EU referendum & they still refuse the legal & legitimate power of the ballot box.

No wonder they don’t want a rerun.
They’d lose & they’d lose HUGE…

So do you really, really think that 55% still exists today despite all those bullshit lies?

More Scots voted for the European UNION than they did for the one with England. Let that sink in…

The Union is dead. The SNP is dead.
Independence never will.

It’s NORMAL for a country to be in charge of its own affairs. Stop being a parasite.
Scotland is moving on. Especially amongst the young who don’t much care for warmongering genocidal maniacs burning weans alive & donating £billions to a Nazi regime & terrorists when there’s far better uses for that money at home & their grandparents have no heating.

Tick tock..

Read all about it…

I strongly suspect that any “Yes” campaign would fail time, after time, after time, to convince those +70% RUK, and particularly those +80% CofE, to vote “Yes” under any circumstances.

Therefore, as was demonstrated by IndyRef1, in the event a “Yes” campaign persuades a majority of Scots, (granted 52.7% in 2014 was not a huge majority, but nonetheless a bigger majority than the 51.9% secured by the Leave campaign in 2016), to vote “Yes”, the will of that majority can be trumped by the will of those non-Scots who just happen to be domiciled in Scotland at the time of any referendum.

Imagine the outcry had the Brexit referendum resulted in 51.9% of UK citizens voting to Leave, but EU citizens domiciled in the UK at the time of the referendum, and who had been permitted to vote, (Which, except for Irish citizens, they were not), switched that result to 55.3% Remain?

Enoch Powell might have finally got his “rivers of blood” prediction realised.

Here in Scotland, to suggest that Scots should determine the future of Scotland is to be labelled a heretic to the democratic process. When the same principle is applied to the UK however, it suddenly becomes common sense.

Funny that…

What happened to ALL those EU citizens who lived , worked and paid taxes in the uk but were then deliberately EXCLUDED from the Brexit vote, surely THEIR taxes helped to support those unfortunates in engerland or is it ONLY SCOTS who are to be demonised when it comes to referendum franchises

To those down ticking: you cannot logically accept the data on voting without also accepting the data on the effect of “The Vow”. they are from the same source.

“The whole referendum was a farce & a fraud & especially the Vow, whether it played a part or not is up for debate”

I agree 100% with what you say. The vow did indeed have an impact on the people around me at the time.

The vow convinced some of the soft no that, even if the overall vote was no, Scotland would get devo max which would be a safer progression towards independence from their perspective. Those people were happier and more convinced to vote “no” after the vow was released.

They were however furious when they realised it was nothing more than another disgusting con trick by the British state to steal their vote and get them to vote for what they did not want, which was business as usual.

“Today former Prime Minister Gordon Brown resurrected claims that an independent Scotland would face cross-border problems if patients needed life saving organ transplants or blood transfusions.

According to the former Labour leader, patients north of the border would be “at risk” in the event of a Yes vote”

The quote above was taken from
“Gordon Brown targets chronically ill in latest attack on independence”Newsnet, 21 July 2014

“More than 1200 Scots a year facing life-threatening illnesses are securing transplants or blood transfusions from donors elsewhere in the UK, former prime minister Gordon Brown has said. Almost 45,000 Scots now get help every year from NHS in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, but Mr Brown suggests these links could be put “at risk” after a Yes vote”

Quote taken from the article “Cross-border organ transplant network ‘at risk’”, The Scotsman, 21 July 2014

“Gordon Brown’s latest intervention in the referendum debate, raising fears that organ transplants and blood donations may be at risk after independence, is deeply offensive and totally without foundation”

The quote above was taken from
“Brown Offensive”, by The Newsroom
The Scotsman, 22 July 2014

“I do not know that I am best placed to advise project fear on how it should lead its campaign, although its attempt to raise fears around the idea that in an independent Scotland people would have difficulty accessing organs for transplantation has taken that campaign to a new low”

The quote above was from Mr Michael Matheson, on the debate “Independence (Cross-border Transplantation of organs), in the Scottish Parliament on 12 March 2014

“MORE than 1,200 Scots a year facing life-threatening illnesses or surgery are securing transplants or blood transfusions from English or Welsh donors, new figures published by Gordon Brown will reveal.
The former Labour Prime Minister said the statistics, compiled from previously unpublished data, show nearly 45,000 Scots now get help every year from the NHS in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
According to information on organ donations from NHS Blood and Transport, and figures from the Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service, an average of 200 at risk Scots secure transplants from English or Welsh donors and a further 1,000 benefit from transfusions of blood donated in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
A further 43,500 Scots receive NHS in-patient or outpatient treatments in the rest of the UK every year.
Publishing the figures, Brown, MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said the details were evidence of the value of nations working together: “It makes the SNP’s proposal to break all constitutional links with the rest of the UK out of sync with our more interdependent world,” he said.”

The quote above is from the article “Brown highlights the Scots getting crucial medical help from England”, published in The Herald on 21 July 2014.
It stands to the obvious what the ridiculous Brown was attempting to do. He was attempting to seed the fear that independence would lead to a shortage of organs for transplant and blood transfusions in Scotland. What the cretin Brown did not provide were the figures of how many people in England were receiving organs and blood transfusions from people in Scotland.

The problem was never the figures, but rather his bottom of the barrel attempt to use those one-sided figures to seed the fear that people in Scotland would not be able to have transplants or blood transfusions after independence when that was clearly never the case.

As I said above, he only presented the figures from Scotland. He never presented the figures from England, aka how many transfusions and organ transplants they have got thanks to donors being in Scotland. I suspect the numbers are much larger.

But that was always Brown’s modus operandi: to turn over the omelette so he would always present an England problem as if it was Scotland’s problem. Another wonderful example of this was border control. If Scotland had declared independence, Brown claimed that Scotland would impose a border control. Well, at that point England was part of the EU. If anybody had to put a border control it would have to be England itself because its own boundary would become the boundary of the EU zone. Obviously Brown was trying to scare the bejesus out of people living in Scotland who had relatives in England, making them think they would need a passport to cross over.

Another wonderful example was his mentioning of the number of exports from Scotland to England. But he was always very careful to never mentioning the number of exports from England to Scotland, which were far more than the ones in the opposite direction. In other words, the greatest beneficiary of Scotland being in the UK is and has always been England, which gets to use Scotland and Wales as if they were an extension of its own internal market. But of course Brown never mentioned a word about that.

Brown was behaving, at all practical effects, as the Defoe version of the 21st century: a crown tool relentlessly churning propaganda in Scotland to promote the union.

“Is that the same as “giving a warning”?”

No. Seeding fear is to deliberately present only one side of the picture with the purpose of manipulating public opinion as the propagandist Gordon Brown did in 2014 and Defoe before him in 1706.

“England has never been part of the EU”
That is factually incorrect. England’s territory was part of the EU until brexit.

“I doubt that the c.6 million population of Scotland buy more than 60% of rUK exports”

I do not appreciate having my intelligence insulted, thank you. We are talking from the perspective of Scotland here. The perspective of England does not enter the equation when considering Scotland’s independence and the viability of Scotland’s independence. The amount Scotland imports from England surpasses the amount Scotland exports to England, therefore there is a net benefit for England. This is what Gordon Brown carefully omitted in his propaganda. How much those imports represent in terms of percentages for England matter not one iota to the independence of Scotland subject.

Take a look at the products in display in our supermarkets if you do not believe me. Actually, the number of English produce in display since brexit has increased, therefore the net benefit for England is significantly more since 2014.

There was nothing stopping Scotland moving its exports and imports from England to the rest of the EU. England is not the only country that can buy Scotland’s produce or that can sell Scotland things. Every country’s money has the same value if they are prepared to pay the right price for those exports.
Scotland can import from wherever it likes as long as they sell products at the right price. Again, this is something Gordon Brown carefully omitted in his pro-union propaganda.

“If Scotland exports a higher %age of its exports to rUK than vice versa, it ‘needs’ rUK more than rUK ‘needs’ Scotland”

That is a false reasoning, actually. If the percentage of Scotland’s imports from England surpasses the percentage of Scotland’s exports to England the Scottish market becomes a much more attractive prospect for other potential trade partners because they stand to have a bigger footprint in Scotland’s market and they stand to make a positive profit from a trade agreement.

You are deflecting from the main point: the amount that Scotland imports from England surpasses the amount that it exports to England therefore there is currently a net benefit for England and not for Scotland if Scotland remains in this union and with the present trade arrangements.

It is precisely that net profit that England makes out of trading with Scotland what would make trading with Scotland an attractive prospect for other potential trade partners. How much or how little “England needs Scotland” is completely irrelevant here and besides the point. As I said above, this needs to be seen from the perspective of Scotland. England does not even enter the equation.

That Scotland need the Kingdom of England more than the Kingdom of England needs Scotland is a nonsense. This is all about trade and trade profits. As I said in my comment above, the value of the money of every country is the exact same as long as they pay the right price. England is not the only country with money that can buy things from Scotland. Also, with its own money, Scotland can go and buy from wherever it likes. England is not the only country selling things.

“there hasn’t been for fifty years”
So what? There is nothing stopping Scotland changing it now.

“That would no longer be possible”
Excellent news. That would be therefore a great opportunity for Scotland to start exploring other markets and other trade partners and to leave England to its own crap trade deals with New Zealand, Australia and the USA. Maybe Scotland is currently being shortchanged and may improve its prospects negotiating with other trade partners.

By the way, an independent Scotland would not have to abide by the toxic trade deals arranged by England (as the UK) government with New Zealand, Australia and the upcoming one with USA. This means that Scotland’s supermarket shelves do not need to be flooded with New Zealand lamb, USA’s hormone injected beef and chlorinated chickens infesting our supermarket shelves and taking over the share of Scottish produce within Scotland’s own market.

I see many positives for an independent Scotland compared to the current situation, where the share of Scotland’s own produce in its own market is being forcefully squeezed beyond the limit by the successive toxic trade agreements arranged by the clowns England keeps electing to represent it.

“How is the value of the money the same?”

If the price Scotland sets for a particular bottle of whisky is £100, and you want to buy it online, you will have to pay Scotland the equivalent to £100 independently if you buy it from Scotland paying in pounds, from France paying in Euros, from USA paying in dollars or from China paying in Yuan. The money Scotland will receive for that bottle is still the equivalent to £100 pounds independently of what currency was used to pay for it or what country placed the order.

I am not referring to the difference on value between currencies. I am referring to the money value paid to Scotland for the product independently of which currency is initially used to pay for it.

Yer kidding – right?!

Aren’t you a fact checker? LMAO!

That’s a FAIL right away eh?..

Lindsey Jarred – threatened her organ donation if Scotland voted Independence.Also the brave lady who scaled Edinburgh Castle to pin a massive YES banner on the front. Also a speaker at indy rallies.

Deportation – Better Together twitter ads & lest we forget the infamous letter that if Scotland voted YES Scotland would have to wait yrs for membership (Funny that NI had no such bullshit over Brexshit) & EU citizens would be stripped of their status & sent packing & the massive intro ads taken out at cinemas up & down the country that Scots would be abandoned abroad & not entitled to an embassy. Funny that! We helped fund them!

Pensions – go look plenty of YouTube videos of Brown threatening pensioners on their doorsteps armed with a posse of English activists bussed in for the occasion..

Go do some fact checking eh or change yer ID back to the other ones you have…

Proof positive you weren’t in Scotland during indyref & obviously don’t live here..

Finland joined the EU from ground zero in 24 months. It’s vanishingly unlikely an independent Scotland would take longer and probably it would be faster as the EU has absolutely no reason to make it a complicated process. At the time of #indyref1 it would have been even easier, as (unlike Finland) Scotland was alrready part of the “acquis communitaire” having been part of the EU for decades as part of the UK.

Factchecking doesn’t really seem to be your forte irrespective of your user name.

Odd that.

Neither would take long as the Slovaks demonstrated when their currency union with the Czechs was abandoned in a matter of weeks as I seem to recall. The idea that Scotland is (or would have been in 2014) uniquely incapable of establishing its own central bank or having it’s own currency is simply risible.

The EU has every reason to welcome and accelerate Scottish membership, not put obstacles in its path. Anyone arguing otherwise patently doesn’t understand the EU and/or wasn’t listening to what EU insiders were saying before 2014.

Scotland has a lot more going for it than Slovakia in 1995. What most British nationalists refuse to engage with in their Project Fear narratives is that there can be few countries in history which have ever become independent with Scotland’s many inherent advantages.

None of those which have achieved independence facing far greater social, economic, cultural and security obstacles than Scotland does have ever just given up, or asked to return to the fold and rejoin the entity they became independent from.

In the event of independence, it still seems overwhelmingly likely a super majority of Scots will support EU membership, and that the EU will bend over backwards to make it happen and ensure it is as straightforward and rapid a process as possible. The EU is – whatever its detractors think – prepared to be pragmatic as its responses to German re-unification and the accession of newly independent states in central and eastern Europe amply demonstrates.

Joining EFTA and cutting a deal with the EU will be far simpler than the UK’s bungled brexit debacle. Rump UK will be in no fit state post independence to try to call the shots or scupper a deal between Scotland and the EU: they’ll be having a hard enough time keeping themselves afloat without Scotland.

I don’t think there are in fact many countries which are or were in the situation Scotland finds itself. Generally in current international relations the cases of Quebec, Catalonia and Scotland are seen as pretty distinct from other historical or recent self determination situations.

All are (at least relative to most other cases) reasonably prosperous parts of liberal democracies. They don’t “fit” with the general run of post-colonial or post Cold War self determination. Where else do you think is analogous…? Bavaria? Hmmnnn.

The EU is capable of playing hardball as their response to the Greeks showed, but in other ways it can be extraordinarily dilatory and slow to take action. Its response to Polish and Hungarian populism and the Spanish violent suppression of Catalans being cases in point.

I think you overestimate the negatives. Rump UK will be much weakened, not just economically but especially politically: the impact on its “soft power”, top table pretensions and overall international position will be pretty profound.

The rump UK’s hand in negotiations with Scotland won’t be that strong, particularly vis a vis what to do about WMDs, Faslane and how they cope without Scottish shipyards on the Clyde and Rosyth building their naval vessels and servicing/dismantling submarines. They can’t just snap their fingers and replace the facilities and workforce.

Resource rich Scots are made the poorest people in NW Europe by the UK union colonial hoax. Lack of access to our own resources means Scotland’s GDP per capita is closer to that of East European states than to the Nordic/NW Europe norm.

A colonized people do not live in a democracy.

German Lander/states in their federal system have far more extensive powers than colonial/devolved Scots, such as treaty making powers, foreign representation, and control over media regulation law including TV channels at individual state level.

“Scotland would have had to wait years to join the EU”

That is questionable to say the least. At that point in time, Scotland aligned perfectly with the EU on every single policy, standards and procedures.

It is NOW, after the Kingdom of England, in collusion with the useless so called Scotland’s “representatives”, succeeded in undemocratically dragging Scotland out of the EU against its will and then proceeded to destroy every policy and procedure in Scotland that ensured that alignment with the EU that it will take years for Scotland to join back the EU. Undoubtedly this has been deliberate and by design.

A wonderful example of how the alignment has changed are the food quality standards, the labelling of products and, of course, the transparency laws.

And it is all of course because it is not in the interests of the Kingdom of England for Scotland to rejoin the EU. This would make England lose a good chunk of what it perceives as “its internal market”, the control over Scotland’s assets, the control over Scotland’s geographical position and also would leave the Kingdom of England completely isolated and surrounded by EU borders. But of course that bag of hot air Brown never told us about that.

Even the Welsh had their vote skewed by the blow-ins, so the reality is that Brexit is an English project and the Celtic fringe got dragged along despite being opposed.

“United Kingdom”?

Total misnomer… “Kingdom of Greater England” be more accurate.

If the big words get too much, there’s always the video…

link to media.ed.ac.uk

Chillax, Clansman –

We are Scotland and this is the real world (yawn)…

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