The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Jigging in the rigging

Posted on April 04, 2012 by

The agenda behind the Unionist parties and media's concerted smear campaign against the Scottish Government's independence-referendum consultation has become a little clearer today, with the publication of the full data regarding the UK Government's own survey on the subject. Which, purely for the purposes of local colour, we'll passingly note was impartially called "The Referendum on Separation for Scotland" and opens with the following words:

"We believe passionately in the United Kingdom and recognise the benefits it has brought to all of its citizens. For over 300 years the United Kingdom has brought people together in the most successful multi-national state the world has ever known. We want to keep the United Kingdom together."

(The Scottish Government consultation, in contrast, begins with the somewhat less partisan line "The people who live in Scotland are the best people to make decisions about Scotland’s future.")

Conducted by a committee on which no SNP representatives serve, the UK consultation attracted a dismal response by comparison. The Holyrood version, which is still ongoing, had as of Monday this week atttracted 11,986 contributions from members of the public so far. The Westminster report drew a pitiful 2,857 by comparison, but the picture is in fact even bleaker than that.

Of that 2,857 a staggering 1500 responses (or 53%) are believed to have come directly from the Scottish Labour website. Of those, almost half – 740 – used the exact pre-scripted wording written by Labour. (These numbers do not appear in the consultation document, but the latter was freely admitted by the Secretary of State for Scotland to several news sources this morning.)

Under the rules demanded by Labour this week for the Scottish Government's consultation, 739 of those submissions would have to be disqualified on the grounds of duplication, reducing the total number of valid responses to 2,118.

A further 101 respondents were anonymous, and another 118 were duplicate responses which didn't come from the Labour website. Removing those leaves the UK Government's consultation on the independence referendum based on just 1,899 responses from members of the public (that's one for every 34,229 people in the UK).

But perhaps more pertinent than this abysmal level of public confidence in the UK Government's consultation compared to the Scottish Government's one is the staggering degree to which Labour, rather than the general public, swamped the process in submissions. Of those 1,899 eligible responses, it would appear that 761 – or a tiny fraction under 40% – came directly from the Scottish Labour website.

So over half of all submissions, 40% of valid submissions, and an astonishing 25% of the entire consultation response made up of ineligible duplicate spam entries, came from Labour itself. Yet a compliant media has collaborated all week in creating a media portrayal of SNP "abuse" of the Scottish Government's consultation, based around just 3.5% of anonymous responses (contributions whose actual preferences, it should be noted, were not recorded, and which therefore may well in fact have been partly or even entirely from pro-Union supporters rather than nationalists).

We've said it before and we'll say it again – it's not paranoia if there really is a conspiracy against you. We doubt the electorate is all that concerned with the entire point-scoring business, but we're confident that those who are will have no difficulty in seeing the reality of what's been going on.

11 to “Jigging in the rigging”

  1. Peter A Bell says:

    We also had Michael Moore claiming that the UK consultation provides "a good reflection of what people across Scotland think". How can such a claim be justified on the basis of such a small, self-selecting sample of the UK population?

    Reply
  2. When they shout loudly in one direction, it usually because they are trying to distract you from noticing that the very thing they are accusing you of is exactly what's going on in their own camp.
     

    Reply
  3. Stevie Cosmic says:

    Mr Moore, as it is also reported by the STV website, also thinks that the UK governement's consultation needn't be subjected to any independent scrutiny or verification.  Funny that. He also lied though his teeth on that website too with regard to Bruce Crawford 'having a problem' with the validity of the SG's consultation process. Quite breathtaking arrogance and hypocrisy that stretches the definition of 'brass neck'  to giraffe like extremes.

    I have a feeling that there is a concerted effort to piss people off so much with  lies, bile and stupidity that eventually, we'll all just give up because we can't take these undignified levels of childlike discourse any longer.  It's tiring this, to say the least.

    Reply
  4. David Robertson says:

    Think we're crediting them with too much sense. My thoughts after hearing results of the UK versions was that I imagine they would have rather not had so much attention being focused on either of the consultations.
    Labour in Scotland is so desperate to try and "get something" on the Scottish Government that they grasp at anything without knowing the facts or that they are the ones who are up their necks in it.

    Reply
    • Peter A Bell says:

      You got it! "Scottish Labour's entire focus is on lashing out mindlessly at the SNP and Alex Salmond. They have nothing else.

      Reply
  5. tom says:

    Yes, we can be confident there will be those "who have no difficulty in seeing the reality of what's been going on", but can we be confident that they are sufficient in number?

    Reply
    • Peter A Bell says:

      I'm already seeing examples of people saying we should "move on". But I totally disagree. So long as the mainstream media is colluding in passing off the UK referendum as valid, while casting aspersions on the real consultation, we have a duty to persist in trying to get the truth across.

      Reply
  6. I never expected Labour to do anything else and I have a brother in the Labour party and I feel ashamed that he is among such people.The main problem is getting the truth out there to everybody I know it is too much to ask for the media to be honest,they lost their integrity a long time ago.

    Reply
  7. MajorBloodnok says:

    The thing is there are so many positive stories out there – e.g. renewables in Scotland:
     
    link to jonathonporritt.com
     
    And the announcements about all those new railway stations in Scotland (double page spread in today's Scotsman, no less). To name but two.

    Reply
  8. Dubbieside says:

    MajorBloodnok

    Many thanks for the link to the jonathonporritt blog. Very well written and a joy to read such a positive article about Scotland.

    Pity we are not able to get this promoted more in the main stream media.

    Is there any way this could be linked to Newsnet Scotland to try to find a bigger audience?

    Reply
  9. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    As I said the other day, feel free to suggest to any other websites that they reproduce WingsLand features. We'll usually let them if they ask.

    Reply


Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,859 Posts, 1,233,380 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: ““Not voting means you do not have any right to an opinion on what sort of government we get as…Dec 30, 12:28
    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: “Since nothing much is happening in this joint the nou… here is some braw Scots to pass this vacant time:…Dec 30, 12:18
    • 100%Yes on The Curious Fringes: “I agree with you totally.Dec 30, 12:05
    • Marie on The Curious Fringes: “I feel your frustration. It absolutely sickens me that I continued to give the SNP my vote post referendum. Never…Dec 30, 11:56
    • Rob on The Curious Fringes: “I am most likely to vote reform next year despite the bad taste in my mouth. The current politicians have…Dec 30, 11:39
    • Andy Ellis on The Curious Fringes: “The use of the term far right might be contested – not least by some within Reform who are scared…Dec 30, 11:37
    • Rob on The Curious Fringes: “The greens wont win votes in the highlands while they oppose the A9 and A82 upgrades and other issues like…Dec 30, 11:01
    • 100%Yes on The Curious Fringes: “Next year I will be voting for Reform for the sole reason off destroying the greens and stopping the SNP.…Dec 30, 10:59
    • willie on The Curious Fringes: “Absolutely right 100% Yes, the SNP are out to destroy independence. They have squandered every mandate given to them to…Dec 30, 10:57
    • 100%Yes on The Curious Fringes: “For the last 11yrs the SNP has destroyed democracy, Independence, justice system, education, NHS, Police, prison service, woman rights, local…Dec 30, 10:35
    • Vivian O’Blivion on The Curious Fringes: “Following their recent inaugural conference, Your Party have been offered as a separate entity on the most recent polling for…Dec 30, 10:34
    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: “Guid mornyng aw… whit clear kirstal sky flemit the nicht theis dey… an sae the reid mornyng rose frae the…Dec 30, 10:31
    • Captain Caveman on The Curious Fringes: ““Reform are not far right if wanting to decide your own rules ,have your own border and to live amongst…Dec 30, 10:15
    • Gordy on The Curious Fringes: “Point of order -Reform are not far right if wanting to decide your own rules ,have your own border and…Dec 30, 09:50
    • Andy Ellis on The Curious Fringes: “If you do live in the area, which is where I work so also known to me, you can’t possibly…Dec 30, 09:10
    • James Cheyne on The Curious Fringes: “Voting for paper hat parties on a wet sunday to fill a Holyrood parliament that is under Westminster acts and…Dec 30, 08:33
    • Al-Stuart on The Curious Fringes: “. Hi Stuart, I see your obsessive stalker, Jimmy-The-Grifter has got stuck at a pathetic £891 on his final, definitely…Dec 30, 08:00
    • robertkknight on The Curious Fringes: “…the definition of mediocrity.Dec 30, 04:11
    • Anthem on The Curious Fringes: “As I said before, you’re talking mince! I.live in the area you clown.Dec 30, 03:43
    • twathater on The Curious Fringes: “Be prepared to be even more depressed Heather for it appears ALBA members are the new cult , they have…Dec 30, 03:19
    • Peter McAvoy on The Curious Fringes: “Why do the SNP still expect others to believe they support independence after the recent act damaging tourism by closing…Dec 30, 02:49
    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: ““Holyrood is the conduit through which Westminster controls and manipulates Scotland…” Well put, Saffron Robe.Dec 30, 01:02
    • Saffron Robe on The Curious Fringes: “I agree, Northcode. Holyrood is the conduit through which Westminster controls and manipulates Scotland from within, hidden behind the veneer…Dec 30, 00:45
    • Insider on The Curious Fringes: ““WTF was the SNP doing with their £1.3 million per annum in British state Short money?” and WTF happened to…Dec 30, 00:22
    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: ““…but it [Holyrood] is all we have for now.” If by ‘we’ you mean independence supporting Scots then… no, we…Dec 30, 00:18
    • Derek on The Curious Fringes: ““…in the same way that Alex Ferguson used West Coast establishment media bias…” Neatly done. According to my digging, there’s…Dec 30, 00:13
    • 100%Yes on The Curious Fringes: “I have no idea why people are saying it looks grime, its been grime since Sturgeon took on the roll…Dec 29, 23:58
    • David Holden on The Curious Fringes: “On the ball as usual but in this parish we have an ISP candidate so I have a vote I…Dec 29, 23:33
    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: ““…and nothing will change…” Yeah, waking from a nightmare is always a bit disturbing, if not depressing. Looks like you’re…Dec 29, 23:14
    • Northcode on The Curious Fringes: “I understand, Sarah, and I do respect you for the great effort you have made – and the commitment you…Dec 29, 23:05
  • A tall tale



↑ Top