Wings Over Scotland

Back when I was involved in trying to promote local sports teams we would always tell potential sponsors that they threw some cash at us and we put their name with ours, that any appearance in the news would give them great publicity. We used to use the local press advert prices as a guide to show the value.

So I’m wondering either side of this *ahem* story could raise some revenue by changing their name and inserting some sort of sponsor in the middle 🙂

At this rate I’m fairly sure Kezia “Betfred” Dugdale could raise a few bob or two with sponsorship, after all we know that bookies love it when folks back losers.

Can you put this to music please?

Things they’re not reporting.

– Stu originally offered to settle the case for a retraction, an apology and damages of £10,000. Kezia threw this and subsequent offers back in his face.

– Stu was advised that the case could come to a full hearing and a judgement in the sheriff court for about £10,000 costs on each side.

– Stu ran a fundraiser to see if he had enough support from his friends to do this, asked for £5,000 and got in total I think about £12,000. So it all looked perfectly affordable.

– After the Labour party got involved a firm of London solicitors was instructed. They then had to instruct Scottish solicitors, who then engaged top silk. The top silk showed up even to procedural hearings where normally a firm would just send s junior to take notes.

– This wasn’t even for the main hearing, but for preliminary hearings that Kezia/Labour instigated in the hope of preventing the case coming to a full hearing.

– Because of this Stuart was also forced to instruct equivalent-grade counsel, all while still engaged in the preliminary hearings. This has caused his costs to run up to about £40,000.

– Nobody quite knows how Kezia’s side has managed to spend £95,000, but the London lawyers probably have something to do with that.

– Her/Labour’s purpose in doing that is quite transparently to cause costs to escalate far beyond what Stu envisaged in the first place, so that in the event he loses he’ll be ruined and the Wings Fighting Fund will be no more. Obviously she thought she was going to win. Because everybody knows Stu is vile so obviously she’s allowed to say what she likes about him. Or something.

– The loss of the preliminary hearing seems to have caused some people to take stock a bit and they’ve begun to realise that they might (will probably) lose, and have to pay all these inflated costs themselves. So Jenny Formby decided to pull the plug.

– Now Kezia is bleating on the end of her own well-hoist petard.

To look on bright side think of free publicity you are getting for Wings site. Stupid MSM letting pubkic know you exist. Might just help to convert don’t knows or soft yoons

Can all this stuff be used as evidence of attempting to influence the perception of WoS to the public during a live legal action?

‘He is a bad un m’lud, look at all these articles showing Kez and her esteemed followers saying so’.

42 Articles: The answer to life, the universe and everything.

So if council house building debt goes on the national debt will Scottish councils be able to participate or will we just get a share of the national debt in GERS but no ability to borrow?

Be interesting to see how that plays out.

Increased council house building, something the SNP have already been doing, is now to get brakes removed. That should give the rentier class pause for thought.

Morag, 1.09

thanks for the clear layout of the actions and their consequences. Welcome back.

Seems there’s an important viewpoint missing from all that.

Great measurement of how the MSM hate and fear this site. One sided reporting, no balance, pretty much sums up the MSM in Scotland. These types of stories seem to be the only ones were the BBC doesn’t think that balance is important.

I doubt Munell’s intervention on Kezia’s behalf will help her at all. He is an avid anti Wings person, that I think would not be hard to prove, thus making him a bias thus unreliable witness. The judge will suss that out.

For Mundell it is a political stunt to harm wings, nothing less, as we all here know. However I suspect he will not be helping her case, perhaps the exact opposite.

Found a good description for Mundell.
He is a “snollygoster”

Google explanation

snollygoster. snol·ly·gos·ter. noun. Slang.

“One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.”

Fits I think!

So we’re all talking about WoS defamation case against K. Dugdale. The wheels of justice move very slowly and tie us in knots.

Is this not merely being spun out by the BritNats as a distraction to take our eye off the ball? Instead of pressing the case for an Indy Scotland at every moment, we’re all being led a merry dance. Instead of demanding that the BritNats present their positive case for this accursed ‘Union’, we are fighting them in court on important but ultimately extraneous issues.

Is this what they want? If so, should we give them what they want?

What I want is Scotland to be free from this so-called ‘Union’ (that is NOT actually a Union at all but rather colonial domination). I want the people of Scotland to get off their knees and tell these BritNats who are intent on keeping us chained to shove their precious precious ‘Union’ where the sun don’t shine.

This country of SCOTLAND is facing is biggest ever existential threat with BREXSHIT just around the corner. Will you be happy when there is no food in the shops to put a dinner down to your kids? Are you happy with your UK ration book that will only have limited use on Tuesdays and Thursdays? Are you happy that your husband/wife, sister/brother or anyone else close to you cannot get the pain killers they need for their chronic pain condition? Are you happy to see your loved ones in literal PAIN as a result of this clusterphuk that is BREXSHIT?

Naw – me neither.

Get off your knees Scotland. Grasp the thistle and tell these life wreckers to do one. At the ballot box in IndyRef2.

THAT’S what’s important right now. Let’s keep our eye on the ball.

Johnson has his Thomson, May has her Keunssberg. Possibly ‘Love is in the air’ would have been a better entrance song.

I think, perhaps sadly, that on balance this isn’t going to go all the way now.

It seems that everyone involved expects the appeal against the sheriff’s ruling to fail. At that point the Daily Record is likely to pull the plug too and advise Kezia to settle. If she does that she’s liable for none of her own costs, but will have to pay Stu’s costs (which may run to £50,000 by then) plus damages (and I don’t think Stu is in the mood to settle for less than the £25,000 now). So she would be personally liable for around £75,000.

That is a great deal of money, but she is a well-off woman with a very well-paid job and other income too. She’s probably in a position to fund that without going bankrupt, although she might well have to borrow and it will certainly hurt. A lot.

Looking at that prospect, and still smarting with her sense of self-righteous injured innocence, she might well feel she wants to continue with the action. However if she does that she will have to fund her own case going forward. She might have to borrow to do that, or of course she could start a fundraiser just like Stu did to see whether all these people who are so vocal in her support will put their money where their mouths are. Like Stu’s friends did. (Actually I’d love to see that happen, especially after the reaction to Alex Salmond’s legal fees fundraiser.)

But she’d be taking one hell of a risk. She’d be risking having to pay far far more in costs eventually, if she lost the main hearing. And surely by now some of the advice that her chances of winning are not good must be getting through. I don’t think she’ll do it, so we won’t see that day in court that we were looking forward to.

Then of course it will be poor wee Kezia, ruined by that big bad rich Wings Over Bath zoomer. She had to give in even though she was in the right because he racked up the costs so much. Which is almost the exact opposite of what actually happened. Not that that will stop the journos making her into a victim.

She is looking at a bad prospect though. I could almost feel sorry for her. Almost. But then I remember that hate-filled rant at FMQs, and that she’s almost certainly that vile troll Fifi la Bonbon from back before 2007, and I don’t really feel very sorry any more.

Found a good description for Mundell.
He is a “snollygoster”

“One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.”

That definitely needs to come back into common usage. There are a lot of them around!

Jings, 27 September looks a bit dull or is that just a clarification that there really is only one “reporter”? Things must be bad in MSMland.

Perhaps there are other more pressing social issues that the media wish to distract us from. Such as volatility in the artisan cheese market. After all, it’s not as if complexity management has anything to do with making Britain great again.

Dr Mike Galsworthy – “Concerned About Brexit?” talk, Bradford-on-Avon, 21st June 2018
link to youtube.com

Just incredible seeing it all gathered in one place.

Labour are beyond stupid. The muddled approach, lack of rigour, are symptomatic of the Party.

It’s just another episode of incompetence, just like the 40 years they had to leave a wasteland in Scotland, as they’re doing to the Welsh.

We have to pray they are never near power again.

O/T

Scots Women’s Chess.

Arakhamia-Grant Ketevan has won 8.5 points from her first 9 matches and is on course to win a gold medal at the 43rd Chess Olympiad in Georgia. She has 2 matches remaining.

Fire the original offer back at them.
10,000 and an apology.
The Daily Record will tell her to take it.

Hmmmm…

Like to say I’m surprised about the lack of balance in the MSM only going to you twice for quotes, Stuart. But I’m not. This is what passes for journalism in Scotland today.

Oh, and surely (without being a sook) it should be: ‘influential pro-independence blogger.’ We are being poorly served by Scotland’s own quota of Pravdas, lead by that pantheon of Pravdas, BBC London in Scotland.

Nicola …. “The end of this period of negotiation, I previously thought that would be October. It is now looking like that is more likely to be November, perhaps with a vote in the House of Commons in December.

So I will take a judgment depending on where we get to, set out some views on where I think we’re heading if we don’t change course, and have more to say on that point.””

Fair enough. Brexit could all collapse and be cancelled (unlikely), chaos could dictate a GE (likely), or they accept it’s NoDeal. All demand different responses from the SG.

Patience is difficult!

Lol, Theresa May, that’s the dance of someone who just does not give a shit anymore.

The only enemy more dangerous than a woman with unlimited resources is one with nothing to lose.

I went into my local shop today and saw chocolate at half price. Near it’s sell by date. I tried to dissuade myself from buying,but eventually capitulated. It might seem a bad deal,but I have chocolate now at half price instead of nothing to nibble..

Is no deal always better than a bad deal I ask myself?

Nah!

Tories supporting Scottish Labour who would have thought it. Two cheeks same arse no doubt about it.

Puts a different spin on better together.

Anyway, does anyone know if the ration books will be UK blue surely they wont be EU maroon that would be terrible.

Yesindyref2

You mentioned the Astute, and the silent Russian subs, have you heard about the Swedish Gotland diesel subs. They are even quieter than the nuclear boats. They use a Sterling engine.

@Morag, 1.09
Yes, thanks for that. For some odd reason it’s not how the schoolboy in the Herald article portrayed it, where it seems Wings had unlimted funds of £500,000 and was the bully.

There’s so many liars around it would make you weep.

Had the Rev been writing a post mentioning Haiti (I know, unlikely) and had said “Baby Doc Duvalier is the sort of dictator that makes you wish his dad had embraced his homosexuality” I wonder if it would be having all this kerfuffle. Is that statement homophobic?

Annie Wells stars in a Conservative party broadcast!

@Alan Mackintosh
Yes, it’s very good, shows what can be achieved with “conventional” propulsion, and way cheaper. I think one beat a Los Angeles class sub in an exercise, way back.

Like others I figured Scotland couldn’t afford subs, but you can get an AIP from a basic £200 million each, so if Scotland could stretch to 2% of GDP, it could manage 4 by say 2030, as long as the economic benefit came to Scotland – AND accounting methods were changed so defence spending reaped that benefit (that’s what the UK Treasury should do).

Here’s a couple of concepts:

link to bmtdsl.co.uk

and particularly this:

link to bmtdsl.co.uk

BMT are very interesting, and since they’re based in Bath I think Rev should take the emergency kitten and schmooze them a bit with a view to them moving to iScotland 🙂 We haven’t had sub-building expertise in Scotland for a lot of years (though we do have semi-submersible) – nor did the UK right enough before Astute.

Regarding the media treatment of this Dugdale story, Thomas Jefferson has just contacted me via my Ouija board to say:

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”

Could be a strapline for The Rev.

Good to see the Conservatives now doing a PPB for Dummies episode. At the conclusion the tagline is no to referendums, don’t say they are a one policy party, it’s all referendums now. Apparently people are fed up with democracy according to Ruth Davidson.

@ gus1940 I did that same survey too.

@ Tinto
“Thomas Jefferson has just contacted me via my Ouija board”

Ease up on the Aberlour in the the Todddies.

Save some for the Picnic after the March, I’ll need an alcohol rub for my feet.

O/T there have been a few comments on various blogs on FaceBook that the EU planned to make the UK Gov to double pensions next year, i cant find anything that backs this up, sounds like fake news, anybody know where this is coming from?

@ Morag at 1:09pm … ”Her/Labour’s purpose in doing that is quite transparently to cause costs to escalate far beyond what Stu envisaged in the first place, so that in the event he loses he’ll be ruined and the Wings Fighting Fund will be no more. Obviously she thought she was going to win. Because everybody knows Stu is vile so obviously she’s allowed to say what she likes about him. Or something.”

Thanks for the additional information, Morag. And just to say, Stu should be aware of the fact, that he’ll get financial backing from us to enable him to see this through to the end. He should also hold a crowdfunder to cover any current out of pocket expenses. It’s the least we can do for him.

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@ Bob Mack says at 1:27 pm …. ”Kezias lawyer also relied on a defence which had no priority in Scots law. London lawyers ? Top QC? Oh dear.”

That seems to be the Labour way of doing things, Bob. Money is no object as long as it’s not being used for the common people. As I mentioned before on here the Labour controlled Councils in Scotland, in turn controlled by GCC, employed a QC (plus legal team) from day one to represent them at Glasgow Tribunal, FGS, against employees of their Education Departments. At that time, 20 years ago, the QC’s fee was £1000 a day (in Court and working behind the scene).

ONE case alone ran for over 50 days at Glasgow Tribunal, was appealed to the Employment Appeal Tribunal, then the Court of Session and finally on to the House of Lords. I can’t find a comprehensive list of cases since 1970 (The Equal Pay Act 1970), however there’s been 81 Equal Pay cases in 2017 alone (plus check out further jurisdiction codes).

Maybe the BBC could make a Freedom of Information request to find out how much of tax-payers money has been wasted on Equal Pay cases, in Unionist controlled Councils in Scotland, since the 1970’s?

link to gov.uk keywords=+City+Council&page=2&tribunal_decision_categories%5B%5D=equal-pay act&tribunal_decision_country%5B%5D=scotland&tribunal_decision_decision_date%5Bfrom%5D=1960&tribunal_decision_decision_date%5Bto%5D=2018

“Ease up on the Aberlour in the the Todddies.”

That’s an outrageous suggestion, hackalumpoff. It’s actually a small Bunnahabhain in a 15% water solution.

Think I’ll pass on the foot massage after the march but I love a good picnic. My hard-boiled eggs are legendary (ooh, matron!).

rock -you only need to be 1% wrong

Anent the Tory broadcast, Annie Wells can drive a car!

Chilling. The fragrant Arlene’s Red Lines are, wait for it – Blood ‘kin Red.

What can she have in mind?

Gregg Brain is proving to be a REAL asset to our cause.

‘Historic Environment Scotland challenged over Declaration of Arbroath anniversary plans.’

”Historic Environment Scotland (HES) is being asked if it will ban access to Arbroath Abbey in 2020 – the 700th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Arbroath – after it refused to allow indy supporters into Stirling Castle car park on their 500-mile march across Scotland because their presence was “political”.

Activists are already furious after it banned the All Under One Banner rally from Holyrood Park after this Saturday’s march through Edinburgh.

Now Gregg Brain, whose family was involved in a lengthy battle with the Home Office to remain in Scotland, has written to HES chief executive Alex Paterson, about the Arbroath anniversary.

He notes that HES is responsible for the site and, “stating the obvious”, on April 6, 2020, Scotland would be celebrating the 700th anniversary of the declaration’s signing, which he describes as “perhaps the most significant political act in this country’s history; attempting to have the Pope intervene in the governance of this island”.

Brain said: “By definition, any commemoration of this event, will also be an overtly political event. I note your agency’s recent very public stance ruling out political activities on HES sites. As such, your consistency and integrity means that I know you will at some point be announcing a prohibition of any celebration of the Arbroath 700th Anniversary on the site itself.

“Accordingly, an early announcement to this effect would be very much appreciated, as it will give the public the opportunity to give you feedback on your policy in this regard, as well as providing event organisers the much-needed time to change their plans.

“You may wish to consider ways to avoid the public relations disaster that your policy is building up for you. You may even reconsider both the policy and its execution on this occasion … simply allowing access without comment might be a more reasonable response. I (and, I suspect, many others) look forward to a prompt reply.”

HES had not responded to a request for comment before The National went to press.”

link to thenational.scot

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So many excellent articles in the National / Sunday National now. The latter being a great improvement on the Sunday Herald. And how lucky are we to have David Pratt, Foreign Affairs Editor, contributing to the SN? One of the few veracious journalists left: On a par with Robert Fisk and Jonathan Cook, imo.

‘Women on the edge: harrowing and courageous stories from around the world.’

link to thenational.scot

My Data stopped working, the new sim went missing, some posts have went missing, automatic inspersion of my user name and email address on this site sometimes stops working to discourage me from posting.
I must have got close and touched a nerve.
If any of the above happens to you, tell everyone you know of your experience and to vote YES next time to help stop it.

Is Kezia actually a sitcom?

At the beginning – of her “adult” political life she is schooled by… Foulkes, and for a laugh, it is claimed, during her internship posted comments as Fiffy something or other on the internet. Time passes, she accepts the poisoned chalice of Slab leader, messes up big time; finds a new partner in an SNP MSP; writes a column in a rag newspaper that causes Rev Stu to demand a retraction; she declines and Rev Stu initiates litigation; the Labour party, not Slab, decides to finance her defence; Kez flits off to Australia for payment on a comedy show and pockets £45K post tax; the Labour party decide to stop financing her litigation, having “invested” ’till then, £94K in whatever benefit was perceived to be for their membership; she then in response wails “who can trust Labour”; next up Mundell mounts his trusty steed to support her.

Whatever next? Ruth has bagged the lesbian pregnancy script, so that’s out. May has just bagged the Strictly Dancin’ role.”Scottish” tories have bagged the visits to Israel jaunts.What next for Kez, a Trump, or Putin spokesperson correspondent post in the UK? Or whatever.

Lying Britnats to the left of you. Lying Britnats to the right of you.

Bloody lying Britnats all over the place.

Well last year Nicola Sturgeon brought some cough sweets to have a joke at May. This year I believe she is going to come on with a can of WD40 penetration oil, it loosens up those stiff joints.

The Sun newspaper reporting today that Nicola stated last night that she may have to delay an update on Indyref2 until November / December (rather than October) due to the lack of detail on Brexit.

Where did they get that from?

@Petra

“Speaking at the 50th anniversary of the Europa Institute at Edinburgh University … ”

link to eveningtimes.co.uk

re. dysfunctional government, austerity, Brexit and things.

Defining and measuring quality of government

Quality of Government and its close cousins Good Governance and State Capacity are relatively new concepts that have made a strong impact in research as well as some of the highest policy circles since the mid-1990s.
These three concepts have received most attention in circles dealing with developing countries and the so-called transition countries (Smith 2007). Especially good governance is now used by many national development agencies and international organizations such as the World Bank and the United Nations. An example is the International Monetary Fund that in 1996 declared that “promoting good governance in all its aspects, including by ensuring the rule of law, improving the efficiency and accountability of the public sector, and tackling corruption, as essential elements of a framework within which economies can prosper” (IMF 2005).

However, the economic and financial crises that started in October 2008 have shown that issues about “bad governance” cannot be seen only as problems for developing and transition countries but also for the highly developed parts of the world (Rothstein 2011). A case in point is that several well-placed analysts have argued that the background to the financial and economic crisis can be found in how powerful investment banks on Wall Street used their influence to relax regulatory oversight and capital requirements (Kaufmann 2008; Johnson 2009; Johnson & Kwak 2010). It should be added that available measures of quality of government and good governance show that several EU countries (notably Greece, Italy and Romania) score lower than some much poorer countries in the developing world
(Charron, Lapuente & Rothstein 2011)….

link to citeseerx.ist.psu.edu

What Is Quality of Government?
A Theory of Impartial Political Institutions
link to unpan1.un.org

The Impact of Quality of Government as Impartiality: Theory and Evidence
link to qog.pol.gu.se

The Tory English Prime Minister told her followers that the EU needs England far more than England needs the EU.

Nearly choked oan ma croissant when a heard it.

As far as I’m aware no one from the Scottish government gave such a response to the SUN newspaper regarding if or when the FM will or will not respond to anything regarding announcements of any kind

So it looks like the SUN newspaper is *let’s be generous* and say, guessing!

I would say flat out lying

The SNP are not talking to anyone, it must be making the press even more mental than they already are, hence the big fat lies

Dr Jim
We’ll be having that Alert Reader badge back, ta. 😉

link to archive.fo

Thanks for the responses to my question at 10:06pm, folks. Amazing don’t you think that there has been no mention of this on the BBC / STV (or maybe I missed it). Then again suppression and distortion of information is par for the course with them. I wonder if anyone has been taking note of how often Dark money Davidson has appeared on the TV over the last few weeks in comparison to the First Minister of Scotland? DMD on the same BBC league level as Farage now. Quite fitting.

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@ Robert … “Dumping in Scotland.”

Great wee country don’t you think? Rob us of our resources in conjunction with using us as a dumping ground for Nuclear weapons and the rest of the UK’s cr*p. Forget about a bridge connecting us to NIreland just get the wall up at the border with England, ASAP.

link to bbc.co.uk

No mention on the BBC / STV of the latest Scottish gas find either. Reported on here last week, but just a wee reminder. Poor wee Scotland right enough.

link to businessforscotland.com

They are all terrified they will get sued as well. That’s the way to do it. They should stop telling lies. Lie after lie after lie. How people can vote for them, especially in Scotland is just unbelievable. Dysfunctional does not even cover it. The lies corruption and dishonesty.

It is absolutely terrifying. Frightening that May the Tories or the rest are in any position of power. The way the unionists/MSM are carrying on is disillusioned and corrupt.. They are worse than ever. How do they get away with it? There is no justification. They are making people ill and increasing mental health problems.Just wasters. Wasting £Billions of public money.

3 Bears go to AUOB
link to viloud.tv

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

link to randompublicjournal.com

Truly awful decision
link to twitter.com

Appalling attack on N Sturgeon, accusing of betraying Scotland over fishing. Scotland has been systematically ignored by UKGov, the Devo settlement ripped up, and conventions trampled.
link to twitter.com

link to unitemagazine.co.uk

Aston Martin has been given a total of £18.8m in grants from the Welsh LABOUR Government
link to archive.is

This thread on TM and patriotism by a former UK Diplomat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Zimbabwe and Nigeria is worth a read
link to twitter.com

link to bloomberg.com

3 Blokes In A Pub… Go To GIBRALTAR (Ep 11)
link to youtube.com

According to her conference speech, the Tories were the party of opportunity and sound finances. They were going to address abuse and hatred in politics. They were an open party, fighting anti-semitism and promoting the children of hard-working immigrants.
If only any of it was true.
link to archive.is

Brexit…a cry from the Irish border
link to ft.com

Brexit bill could go up as new data show rise in EU budget liabilities
link to archive.is

link to sluggerotoole.com

Tesco planning to stockpile food over no-deal Brexit fears, supermarket admits
link to archive.is

Special guest John Pilger on ‘approved news,’ Syria, Iran, austerity and Julian Assange (E662)
link to rt.com

I will not even listen to a Scottish news bulletin on my car radio.

I listen to Clyde 2 because I like their music,,,but as soon as their news comes on at the top of the hour I switch over to Talk Sport radio, because you would swear that Radio Clyde get their news straight from the Scottish Labour Party website.

May and the rest of them are complete and utter fools. Even a GE might not even clear them out but that is what is coming. They exist on another planet. The £Billions of public money they are wasting is just deplorable. A dysfunctional Gov in a dysfunctional society. Charlatans and liars.

No wonder people have to stand back trying to ignore the chaos. It is just deplorable. They could not make a bigger mess. Just as well people have the SNP in Scotland trying to mitigate the unnecessary damage. Westminster unionists are totally unhinged. A catastrophe. Liars, Only groups suing them limited stops them. The groups taking them to court for breaking International/ UN standards.

@Nana

Cheers Nana.

And yes, given the selection and yesterday’s speech you can say that the YES movement called it a long time ago. This is very much the dark road predicted for the UK. Massive leap in wealth disparity, the use of emergency legislative powers to ram home appallingly inhumane policies, loss of jobs and rights. Also yes. The current political class are mental enough to carry it through. Westminster’s politics has clearly and empirically taken the brakes off.

There is an out from this madness though. It’s not going to go away unless people make it go away. They need to choose now, what kind of country they want to live in and then decide to make it happen. They can still do so at a ballot.

Thanks for the links Nana X

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‘Nicola Sturgeon’s bespoke Brexit arrangement backed by top expert.’

He (Anand Menon, Professor of European Politics at King’s College London), also discussed the issue of when people should know if there will be a no deal scenario – a factor influencing the First Minister’s plans for a second independence referendum – stating the latest date would be January 21.

link to thenational.scot

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‘Roll of honour: Ten Scottish women who fought for the right to vote.’

…”Even in this year of centenary celebrations of women being granted the right to vote, much of the publicity has centred on the London-based supporters of the suffrage movement.

Attempts are now being made to address this by Glasgow Women’s Library which is embarking on several initiatives to highlight and celebrate the lives of Scottish women who were in the vanguard of those who fought for the right of women to vote in the UK. Funding support is being given by the Scottish Government.”..

link to thenational.scot

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‘Fears over ‘sinister influence’ of Yemen-linked arms firm in Scottish schools.’

..”Other arms multinationals teaching children include Leonardo, Thales and US company Raytheon, which has made smart bombs in Fife linked to alleged war crimes in Yemen.”..

..”A section on the Cold War asks children to look at a picture of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima by America, while posing the question: “If you were a Russian, what would you think?”’

link to thenational.scot

‘The bastards in the BritNat media have one mission in life and that is to grind down Indy supporters.’

Well said. The sooner we all understand that the better. Let them talk to themselves.

The Independent … “RBS chief executive Ross McEwan has warned that a no-deal Brexit could push the UK into recession”

No shit, Sherlock!

This is news?

May, the puppet, among the muppets but these are extremely dangerous people. Trying to cause another world recession. Lying their pockets on pubic money. A bunch of wasters. It really is totally deplorable.

@Thepnr 10.13

Couldn’t agree more. They attempting to shift perception of the centre ground and acceptable norms of behaviour. They’ve been doing it for a very long time t’boot. Care and compassion are for tree hugging, lefty, Marxist, herbal tea drinkers. Not, y’know, a mark of decent, reasoning, civilised humanity. Oh, and that’s regardless of your background or origin.

This new centre ground narrative is about pigeonholing and quantifying your humanity and your right to existence, nevermind residence. They can feck right off with that idea.

People are defined by themselves. By the choices they make, the words they say and the actions they take. I’d say the Tories have done a bang up job of letting the wider world know EXACTLY what they stand for and how they define themselves.

I can say from the heart of my bottom, (and with immense pride), that I will NEVER be a Tory.

Throughout the world proper journalists risk their lives to report the truth.

What have we got in Scotland – propaganda writers who are paid to rubbish Scotland by foreign owned media.

The people who churn out this propaganda are the lowest of the low. They go home every evening knowing that they take money to write propaganda. Totally lacking in professional integrity.

BRITISH NATIONALISTS OWN THE MEDIA IN SCOTLAND and appoint British Nationalists to run the media. The BBC is the British states own propaganda broadcaster.

Take care Petra.

When I said” Campaign for real…” I was meaning once we have a date.

But I know what you mean when you say the Campaign has never stopped. I never leave the house without my wristbands and badges on.

And since I stopped watching the mince they label as Scottish news, I find I am not walking about constantly angry.

But maybe that is just me.

Collie @ 9:30 am

It’s not just you. I haven’t watched or listened Scottish “news” for years now, and it does wonders for my wellbeing. I find it hard to believe I ever did watch that parochial, parish-pump drivel for so long.

EuroNews is in the process of trashing itself down but there’s still France 24 and Al Jazeera.

I know it is only the tiniest of details in the public perception , but even the IMF (International Monetary Fund) are now warning publicly that global economic collapse is a very real prospect.

Add Brexit to such a collapse and Scottish independence becomes an absolute imperative.

But only if the electorate know that, which they don’t and won’t, thanks to Westminster’s State propaganda machinery.
Even then, it is unlikely that the British Nationalist population here in Scotland will change their minds about their precioussss Union.

Oh, BTW, Westminster’s plans to stockpile food and medicines will be for the benefit of the ruling classes, the Civil Service, then the police and the military, then for hospitals, and so on. The general population will be last on the list.

We could be about to step into Armageddon.

But please, don’t just take my word for it. Christine Lagarde, Head of the IMF, is talking in these terms.

The Guardian gives us a glimpse.
link to amp.theguardian.com

Bit off topic but hiring London lawyer may become the normal after Westminster negotiations what was Scottish law via the EU. Negotiations will be set for say fishing standard in English law. Which will if in future challenge in English courts.. Not Scottish as present.

O/T Brexit , there has been some mummering that the UK will seek to remain in the Customs Union (albeit temporary) after March 2019, I think this highly likely, its not only Ireland that has a border with the EU but also Gibralter and the Sovereign base areas in Cyprus.
I checked on google maps and the Episkopi base which is part of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area has five seperate crossing points into Cypriot Territory. They (the UK) have bases at Episkopi, Akrotiri, Dheikilia and Troodos. So its not only Ireland that has a land border with the EU.
I think they will try and negotiate a deal which will give an extension to staying in the Customs Union and the ability to negotiate Trade deals with other countries.

Any attack on the Scottish legal system will be quite illegal, under International Laws. Groups will sue Westminster. . It will further break the Union. Scotland was guaranteed a separate legal system, church/education system and to be treated equally, under the terms of the Act of Union. Under Scottish Law the people in Scotland are sovereign. That is why if people vote for it there is a mandate. To have another IndyRef. People have to vote for it. Just vote SNP/SNP. Until every food bank is gone in Scotland. Vulnerable people will not be sanctions and starved etc. A more equal fair country.

Scottish resources have been taken illegally. The Oil sector is still taxed at 40% since Jan 2016. 30% Corporation tax + 10% supplementary. High Tory taxes destroying resources. It has been going on since 2010. When the price had fallen 75% it was taxed at 62%. The Tory/unionists have destroyed the fishing industry for over forty years. They should have been using bigger nets. Instead of throwing dead fish back for years. Destroying the industry. The Scottish Gov through representation was sorting it out. Increasing net sizes and quotas. Some folk in the NE went and voted Tory or did not vote at all. Improving terms and conditions would improve the industry.

Scotland will lose £8Billion (a year?) because of Brexit.

The UK raise £628Billion in taxes. Raised another £92Billion. There is no need for these cuts and austerity. Scotland raises £60Billion (more pro rata) Dues it get credited with the 1/12 (raised in Scotland?) of the £92Billion. (£7.5Billion). Doubt it. (UK /Scottish Gov) accounts. There is absolutely no need for austerity. Dragging the economy down. Cutting essential service funding. Universal Credit was just to target cuts on the most vulnerable. Unfair and unnecessary. Cruel. Yet spending £Billions on HS2 and Hinkley Point a total waste of money. With better, cheaper, alternatives. The Westminster liars have not got a clue. They are causing an increase in mental health problems with their behaviour. People are worried and anxious. Especially because of Brexit.

Scotland could make £Billions in resources instead of it disappearing south. Scotland pays more pro rata for fuel and energy despite being in surplus and nearer the source. Scotland is colder. Scotland should pay 10% less per unit for parity. Scotland is in surplus in resources. Fuel, food and energy. Higher exports pro rata. A more balanced economy. Smaller balance of payments deficit. Less debts.

Instead of stupid, horrendous dancing. Like a lunatic. Just ridiculous. An affront to the society.

There is a desperate undertone of ‘somebody must do something about him’ in most of the articles.

I found WoS through Ragin Kevin. I was listening to Radio Scotland and he was on talking over someone from Business for Scotland. I could not believe his sneery and dismissive tone. That Muttley laugh and he said he had registered his dog as a business and implied all the businesses were worthless small fry in contrast to big Yoon business. His tone has not changed at all since then.

I looked him up and came across his spats with WoS and decided that I would make my mind up myself if WoS was the devil incarnate. I did not post for ages but read everything I could on both sides.

We all know how it went from then on.

For me, the most disappointing aspect of the post indy landscape is the resentment from some voices that they should make a better living out of it than they have. As if it is WoS’ fault that we don’t want their product or to read their stuff. The RiSE and fall of the indy Left was predictable as they hitched their wagon to Corbyn and told us all we weren’t socialist enough to deserve Independence and that if they could not have Indy their way it isn’t worth having.

But throughout it all, the Press in all their spitting, mendacious fury have had to see that WoS has endured. This is echoed by the chattering sneery swithering Indies who pollute the airwaves, social media and print press. They hate WoS and have tried so many ways to destroy it. We cannot let that happen as a point of principle.

Brexit ‘negotiations’ – when will the UK accept the reality of the situation? Soon possibly.

The EU hasn’t changed positions and won’t. They will not compromise the single market by allowing the UK to acquire an unfair advantage by cherry picking. And they won’t set up some new complex and expensive arrangements to accommodate the UK who is leaving.

There are two different but established models ‘Canada’ or ‘Norway’. The UK choosing either would be acceptable to the EU. And there will be scope of tweeking.

Whatever comes out of this, will be one of those, in essence.

Anyways, at this stage the statement on future trade is non binding. The object is to get a backstop and a Withdrawal Agreement then transition period.

Getting past the DUP and WM is another matter!

The EU’s role is to throw the sticks. The UK’s is to run and pick them up.

I caught a session from the Tory conference on TV last night, regarding the devolved nations (as they put it). That vacuous character, Mundell was there.

Sadly I decided to watch it. Mundell spent the whole time either quoting Davidson or telling folks what Davidson had done. What a sad wee individual he is.

However, the really important part is this. At the end, in summary, Tory boy from England David Liddington, said that every single department of Westminster Government must act to strengthen the union, in every thing they do and say. He was quite emphatic. Now, what that really means is to thwart Scottish democracy and an end to English colonial rule of Scotland.

I do hope the Scottish Government were paying attention, and will do EXACTLY the same in their actions to further end the union and strengthen the desire for independence. Westminster is essentially abusing its powers to thwart Scottish democracy, it is high time the Scottish Government started doing the same to strengthen independence.

They could make a good start by telling the British nationalist placemen at HES to either stop banning the saltire and other pro indy matters, such as the Edinburgh post march assembly, or get their P45.

Getting tired of the Scotgov pretending it is nothing to do with them. The Scotiish Government can overrule HES AT ANY TIME.

London is not prepared to play by the rules. Neither should the Scottish Government. London has created a ‘free for al’ do as you care attitude to Scotland, so the Scottish Government should follow their lead and do the same.

This is a right dirty fight from London to hold on to their Scottish colony. Time for those in power up here to start pushing back hard. And YES, cause right old stooshie, at every turn.

That Westminster’s attempts at Brexit negotiations appear to be without forethought, preparation, organisation or co-operation, might appear to be the product of gross incompetence across an entire group of politicians and their advisors.
And in addition, to then be able to completely obscure their true intentions from everyone here in the UK as well as in the EU, may likewise be down to incompetence.

Or it may be quite deliberate.

But if it is all quite deliberate, then I suspect we are all in for a very nasty shock. Nicola, take care, the English like to have the ace of treachery up their sleeve.

The Tories and the other unionists are living in cuckoo land. The shambles of the Conferences. Reports coming out. Horrendous.

Scotland the only country in the EU/world prohibited from flying the flag. At proms and other gatherings. Illegally.

It is just unbelievable sanctioning and starving people for £20 a week. Wasting £Billions of public money on grotesque monstrosities of no value with no business case. Cutting essential services and deliberately destroying the economy. Putting it to the brink, carvproduction down 1/5. While May tries to dance around like an idiot. An affront to civilised people.

Tory says Tories are arseholes. Some self awareness at last.

Ross Thomson = Tory Bampot.

manandboy

I agree – all this incompetence is incompetence but it serves a dual purpose. If there is no clear detail then Nicola is hampered in choosing her moment and they will try to control that as best they can to catch us all out. They are notorious for having the nasty cards tucked up their sleeves and this government will get nasty.

I read this morning that T May is now, apparently, trying to get a temporary deal whereby all of the UK ( which means not just N. Ireland) would stay in the Customs Union to prevent any tariffs and, of course, a hard border in Ireland. So she wants a deal where goods can travel freely but EU citizens can’t!!!

Don’t think the EU will accept that but it would possibly hamper Nicola’s argument whilst we wait to see if the proposal will go through.

October 18/19 I think is when T May has to go back to Europe with her final offer so not long now; the court case about reversing Article 50 is not due to pronounce before Christmas and T May is supposed to be trying to railroad her deal through WM before then – within two weeks after the opening of Parliament.

Nicola is on G. Election standby it would seem so covering her options.

Lots going on between Edinburgh’s march and Christmas – better check those seat belt fastenings, it’s gonna be bumpy!