Wings Over Scotland

Nailed it as always Chris – simply brilliant.

Top Dollar.

Absolutely brilliant

I AM THE CHOSEN ONE he says, he even looks to the sky as he says it !
The man has lost it
So has USA allowing him to be president with all the power that entails
Dangerous

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Refused leave to remain in uk

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Even nailed the truth accessing eyes direction…..excellent piece.

Absolutely nailed it.

Any person who takes GERS at all seriously should be laughed at. The nonsense is beyond stupidity. If we believe GERS, then apparently, Scotland, with 8% of the UK population is responsible for over 60% of the UK deficit. It is just f***ing stupid.

GERS doesn’t even need debated. GERS is junk, and should be ridiculed over and over again.

Robert Louis@7:48

That’s it Robert.

JunkyGERS. Perfect name for it.

OK you want Scotland Trumpy.
England has made fortunes from them these last few generations
But it looks like most of them have caught on to our game now.
How about this. We both say that our secret service teams
Agree that we know Nicola has been storing weapons of mass destruction.
She is processing nuclear grade Uranium under Holyrood and the nation
Is ant-fascist.

You say that you are going to invade to free the people and you get free oil.
I”ll send in the English army to do your biding and you give your old pal Bojo
The same deal as Blair and Brown. Every year you arrange business diners at $1,000
A plate, where I’ll say a few words about how great I am and then you secretly buy
10,000,000 of my autobiography books on behalf of the US government and send all that
Lolly to my off shoes account.

Trumpy says; What about the NHS Deal we were discussing?

Exactly that, shysters the lot of them.
Meanwhile the flags are slowly creeping upwards.
Some help from the Wings gang would bd greatly appreciated.
We have a figure required by the end of the month which is still a fair bit off in the distance. link to gofundme.com

Great message, one of your best. BoJo is by your extremely high standards, uncharacteristically, a wee bit off or it may just be because it reminded me of Billy McNeil.

Chris, that says it all.
Genius. Pure entertainment too..
Many thanks for the visual truth.

@ Robert Louis.

Or you really don’t want your Plan B compromised at this stage, but it does serve as a distraction.

Chris, first class and oh so apt, the establishment have really boxed themselves into a corner with the GERS con, but the only place it is really working is down south, perhaps it’s deliberate.

Neatly done Chris. 🙂

I understand it’s the case that within the UK union, no constituent part can have economic advantages over others areas.
This has recently been discussed within the context of the UK leaving the EU, and particularly in relation to Northern Ireland and the type of border it may have with EU member Ireland.

If no economic advantages to a particular constituency part of the UK is a constraint of being in the UK union, then Westminster should have been governing in a way that attempts to adhere to that principle.
Clearly they haven’t and they have allowed that aspect to be breached since the get go a few hundred years ago by facilitating the Kingdom of England to have grown its population from approximately 5 to 10 times that of the Kingdom of Scotland.
Pish or not, GERS figures exist and are only a relatively recent construct to add to the hard and fast evidence of population growth figures that effectively prove the Union isn’t fit for purpose.

#DissolveTheUnion

Yet again a belter Chris.

Meanwhile.

The SNP’s Douglas Chapman comes under attack after discovering a huge group of #BorisBotArmy fake accounts aimed at attacking British citizens who support Scottish independence.

The 77th Brigades Information Activities group and the II group operatives are thought to be behind the undermining of UK democracy, whilst using taxpayers money to do so.

link to thenational.scot

That wee holiday has refreshed your pencil CC (oh Matron!) an absolute belter Chris. Stu, he deserves a pay rise!

Good cartoon.

GERS is going to reap what it sows. People in England are understandably starting to say if we are responsible for 50% of the fiscal deficit then why not let Scotland go. There is a logical disconnect in the messages transmitted that is becoming impossible to ignore.

In the past the UK has had no qualms about exiting territories that have no value so what is stopping them now?

That cartoon nails it. Spot on again. They reap what they so and we should certainly play on it.

Re Alex Salmond – the establishment have made a bit of an error regarding the charges they’ve libelled against him…. by making them so serious, it will mean the trial (if it ever comes to pass) will need to be held in front of a judge AND JURY.

Any lawyer will tell you – if you have a good ability to speak you case clearly and present yourself well – this increases your chances of being found not guilty.

It will also give Alex the stage.

Its as if the British Empire never learn from their mistakes.

‘Mon Alex … ‘I am not here as the accused, but the accuser, of a British State dripping with corruption from head to toe.’ To paraphrase the Great John McLean.

What’s yer plan B then eh?…. well what we were thinking was maybe….No no no what if plan B doesn’t work what’s yer plan C, c’mon tell us that you must have more plans than just A B and C

How many plans have you got tell me now or it’s obvious you’re a failure who isn’t confident in your plan A so now you’ve got a plan B which is no better than the first one, look how many of their plans I’m shooting down in flames

My name is Alistair Darling and I caught you out with that shit before so I’ll send my minions out to do it again

Then I’ll start on what currency are you going to use if the Scottish pound isn’t accepted …..because it won’t be y’know definitely not, you’ll be forced to join the Euro, so c’mon what’s the currency plan B option….see you haven’t got one have you coz if you did you’d tell us

Bloody SNP failures with no plan B or C or D or E or…

My name’s Alistair Darling and I’m here all week to rubbish all the options the SNP have because if they need that many they’re definitely losers

Exactly, a nation with 8% of the population and more than half the debit, which is run by a government in Edinburgh which cannot borrow money.

Half the debit of the UK, aye right I smell shite.

Apologies for the strong language.

RP

I was listening to LBC the other day and an English gent was making this exact point about the two Kingdoms, he made his point very well and suggested Scotland and NI go their own ways…….they cut him off of course.

@Starlaw

It isn’t the Ruby mine, it’s the rare earth mine. Greenland is sitting on a huge reserve of rare earth metals. After China stopped the export from it’s mine to keep it in house it cut off the rest of the world. Though a mine in Australia got restarted as prices rose.

But it got the US security bods worried about being able to keep their technological lead without those elements.

GERS. To sum up.

The purpose of THE ANNUAL GERS REPORT, is to enable England to play the abusive husband role, with one of the classics of marital abuse, ‘If you leave, you’ll be completely on your own, with no money, no job and no friends.’
And so across Scotland, the majority of the electorate believes that we are too poor to survive independently outside the ‘union’.

To achieve this, the evidence of Scotland’s wealth has to be destroyed or hidden. This is why no British Prime Minister has ever made any statement about Scotland’s vast oil & gas reserves, so as not to spread awareness of it by drawing attention to it.
In addition, all figures and statistics about Scotland’s economy are doctored so as to present a false picture, one displaying poverty.
Another example is the burgeoning renewable energy industry, with its massive electricity generating capacity, through wind turbines in particular, but kept quiet by State propaganda outlets, the BBC and the newspaper industry.

Scotland is in a deeply abusive political marriage. Getting a divorce is however very difficult, when many Scots are ignorant of their finances and fearful of leaving.

To England’s way of thinking, Scotland is little more than a possession, but with so much inherited wealth in mineral and natural resources, a possession which England believes cannot be let go.

Robert Louis at 7.59.

Utter bullshit, Robert and you know it.
Plan A has been conceded by Labour and the estimable David Mundell.The Electoral Commissino are arguing about the form of words and the time table so they have as much as conceded it.

And any silly notion that the SNP aren’t aware of alternative avenues means you understand nothing about the SNP.

Squeaking about Plan B and C merely undermines our strengthening position as it presntly proceeds.

@Dave McEwan Hill says: 24 August, 2019 at 11:39 am:
Robert Louis at 7.59.

” … Utter bullshit, Robert and you know it.
Plan A has been conceded by Labour and the estimable David Mundell.The Electoral Commissino are arguing about the form of words and the time table so they have as much as conceded it.”

You are correct Dave, but In one respect I feel the SNP are missing a chance to open up the subject to more public exposure and perhaps also find themselves accused of being closed to open debate when there really is nothing to fear.

On the subject of ferries from Rosyth to Europe you will remember that a Scandinavian company started such a service back around 2001/2 ish.

At that time I was friendly with a chap who worked in the Scottish road haulage business and through him we found ourselves socialising (drinking) with owners, directors and managers from this business.

One evening I opinioned to one of these types that the new ferry service would be a great boon to his business to which he replied “No we won´t be using that” a reply that left me more than somewhat nonplussed.
“Why on earth not?” I asked and stated the obvious advantages of less wear and tear on vehicles possible savings on costs of diesel and of course the reduction in driver hours on the tacho meaning they could have more time available to reach destinations on the continent.

His answer to all of that was, and I quote, “No we won´t be using that service because we are not encouraged to do so”
At that he gave me a sardonic smile and turned on his heal, conversation terminated.

Of course the service only lasted a year or so after that time and the principal reason the owners gave for discontinuing was the lack of up take from the haulage industry.

Make of that what you will!

Ahundredthidiot @11:06

” suggested Scotland and NI go their own ways…….they cut him off of course”

You mean Independence for England? Now that’d solve a whole host of issues 🙂

Don’t give Lex Luthor ideas.

That was always the concern, Chris, that by dumping the EU it left England wholly reliant on the US, and so it has transpired.

The USA doesn’t give a damn about the UK. Happy to see the EU bounced, the US wants greater control over UK trade and the NHS.

Your weekend essential reading:

‘The Ruling Class’: link to wp.me
‘Tarantino’s latest’: link to wp.me

manandboy

Exactly!!

The Tories, the DUP and the UDA. What a forward line the team ‘UK Democracy’ has!

Arlene of course, is only in the first team squad because she represents the UDA.

Funny how the UDA never gets a mention anywhere in the Unionist broadcast media these days.

The latest UK poll by Yougov is out.

Latest Yougov Scottish sub-sample 20 -21 August.

SNP 46
LD 16
CON 15
LAB 9
GRN 6
BXT 4
OTH 3

UK Wide it is:

CON 32
LAB 22
LD 20
BXT 12
GRN 7
SNP 4
PC 1
OTH 1

@ Marcia – that is very encouraging for us. It is the first time that overtly Unionist parties total is less than 50% [at 44%] and less than Yes parties.

Loud cheers.

Latest Yougov Scottish sub-sample (20 -21 August) @Marcia says at 1:45 pm, That poll would result in the following seats calculated via electoralcalculus.co.uk:

SNP 53 (+18), losing S Gethins to FibDems
LD 5 (+1)
CON 1 (-12) only John Lamont surviving
LAB 9 (-7) losing Sweeney and Murray amongst others
GRN 0 (NC)
BXT 0

link to electoralcalculus.co.uk

Brilliant image Chris, simple but to the point. UK London government, ‘Scotland you are a massive economic burden to us, but we will fight with every fibre of our beings to keep you shackled’. We all know the Britnats only ever hang onto their colonies to hand them lots of dosh, not!

Re: uno mas@12.07

Interesting but not surprising. When the haulage guy said ‘we are not encouraged to do so’, he probably meant, ‘we are told in no uncertain terms that if we do use the Scottish ferry for our haulage company, there will be serious repurcussions for our business’.

The Britnats must be damn scared now at the thought of Scotland having their own international ferry service. Good, let them squirm, scheming, lying, troughing thieves.

Super, succinct scribing again CC.
Time to ask for a pay rise? 🙂

Just to say Chris you have Trump off to a ‘T’ there, but Johnson looks a wee bit of a mix between him and Gordy Brown, which is actually very apt. Morphing them in this context is perfect.

Dave McEwan Hill says:
24 August, 2019 at 11:39 am
Robert Louis at 7.59.

Utter bullshit, Robert and you know it.
Plan A has been conceded by Labour and the estimable David Mundell.The Electoral Commissino are arguing about the form of words and the time table so they have as much as conceded it.

And any silly notion that the SNP aren’t aware of alternative avenues means you understand nothing about the SNP.

Squeaking about Plan B and C merely undermines our strengthening position as it presntly proceeds.’………………………….

Impressed by your naivety DMH…so the red tories, toon clock mundell and the mendacious electoral commission mean that a section 30 will; happen no bother at a’ then?

No Claim of Right, no appeal to Supreme Court ( another joke UK outfit)n no International Courts to confirm our Sovereign right to dissolve the Union under our own plebiscite. No..let’s just wait, while bravely fighting England’s case to stay ( they want to leave !) until we are jettisoned into the Brexit economic hellhole along with the RUk, Scotland, the regional appendage with no power other than a subordinate impotent assembly and a shadow legal system run by Unionist catamites.

Yeah Plan A on currency worked really well for Alec didn’t it?

Anyone know where the money is coming from for Glasgow university to say it intends to spend twenty million pounds in Jamaica over the next twenty years on education as some sort of recompense for having received nearly two hundred million pounds as donations from rich people it thinks may have gained wealth from slavery

What an odd thing to do
Not that I’m ever against helping people who need help we always should if we can

But it just seems an odd thing for a university to do

I wonder if this is a political stunt by those in Glasgow university who have links with the Labour Party

Lochside

I remember someone called Alexander in Scotland had their name shortened to Alex (spelt with a X) posh tories used Alick and nowadays middle class and those from south of the border use a c .

Weird.

Lochside says:

“Yeah Plan A on currency worked really well for Alec didn’t it?”

Where was Dorothy when we needed her?

The “We won’t let you use our precious pounds” LIE, was a corker so outrageous, that Alec was dumbstruck.

If ever a LIE deserved to be called out … that was it.

Would the English really deliberately harm their own currency on the sayso of a couple of Jock has beens (Darling and Brown), who they had recently booted out of power for among other things, sabotaging the economy?

Just because the aforementioned duo of maleficent foreigners wanted exact revenge on their countrymen for not doing what they were told?

That howler should have spelled the death of the Abominable No Men …. Pity we didn’t effectively debunk it.

Lochside at 2.44

We had Plan A,Plan B,Plan C and Plan D on currency in 2014 actually if you remember (or perhaps as you are probably not one of us you didn’t know this)and that worked really well didn’t it?

Any currency plan we had decided on they would have lied about anyway and we shouldn’t even have engaged them in an argument about it.

So – tell me this
Have Labour agreed we are entiteled to a referendum?
Has David Mundell agreed we are entitled to a referendum?
Has the Electoral Commission started setting out its case for the form of our referendum?

So what exactly is your argument? Or did the unionists not keep you in the loop about their abandoning their opposition to it?

David Clegg gone to the Courier.

I second that demotion.

@kapelmeister

Have they recruited Clegg on the basis of his integrity, or was it some other initiative?

kapellmeister

Cleggie will fit-in nicely at the Courier. They already have that raving harridan Bowditch writing her poison there.

@ Marcia at 2.23

I think Jockanese Wind talker’s 9 for Lab was a typo for 0, since he also put them on -7. (Corroborated by total number of seats = 59.)

RE the proposed ferry from Rosyth to Groningen I am puzzled as to the choice of destination as opposed to Zeebrugge.

Zeebrugge has all the necessary ferry port facilities whereas Groningen does not appear to have them.

Zeebrugge is far better placed regarding access to Belgium, France and Germany and even to most of The Netherlands.

Looking at a map the distance to the 2 ports from Rosyth would appear to be similar. While Zeebrugge is further south Groningen is further east.

One of the reports mentions that 2 ferries have been chartered from Stena. Stena operate 2 former Superfast vessels on their Cairnryan service. If it is these they would be ideal and could provide a service like the late lamented Superfast as opposed to the awful short-lived Scottish Viking which couldn’t even dock in Zeebrugge without tugs.

Strategically and tactically we have to go for Independence soon as is possible or a great opportunity will be lost. How we organise a referendum with most councils run by anti-Scotland councillors who will refuse to comply unless the UK government agrees is beyond my Ken? All I now is we might never have a better opportunity, with a short passionate campaign giving us victory.
If the SNP delay till after the probable general election which is expected after we leave the EU then they have to somehow, someway state that if the SNP gain the most seats in Scotland then they will accept their victory as a mandate to hold a Scottish independence referendum. Have no idea how the SNP will go about this only feel if they don’t we will regret it, we have an opportunity but can Nicola and her team take it ? I’m not so sure.

How long would the illegally acting Yoon cooncils last, when faced with a cooncil tax boycott.
And would they also not be considering their personal positions JIC indy prevails, given recent polling, and it’s upward trend?

Those aspiring to the status of ‘one of us’ should read the following –

‘The site advocates Scottish independence, but is not affiliated or connected in any way to the SNP, and neither gives to or receives money from the party, nor indeed any other party. We have an inquiring mind, and welcome intelligent contributions from all sides of the political debate.

Got something worthwhile to say about Scotland’s future? Try us.’

From: Wings Over Scotland ‘About us’.

@ Old Pete.

The new referendum Bill by passes the council’s, by including the right of the SG to appoint officials.

Being a small resource rich nation is like being a beautiful young caucasian woman in a Malmö suburb alone at night.

Whit’s been happnin wi’ the cricket’n’at!

@ Gus 1940.

It could be that Zeebruge is pretty close to capacity, particularly scheduled ferry routes for freight. There could of course be log jams of freight with ferries on berths for a lot longer than normal, therefore difficult to schedule new ferry routes. Emmshaven may have a lot more slack and I believe they have recently been extending warehouse capacity.

sassenach @ 20:17,

=roll eyes=

It costs nothing to be civil about a civil request addressed to the community-at-large, and if it was so much of a bother for him, he needn’t have bothered either to go out of his way looking for trouble over it. All I wanted was a brief resumé, not a thesis. He has wilfully accused me in the past of being a “know-all”, so his response is hypocritical to say the least.

Anyway, it’s not as though he’s ever been reluctant, with the flimsiest of stimuli, to spout whole screeds of predigested antiquated babble at the drop of a hat.

Radio 5 (Brexit) discussing Boris and closing Parliament darn Sarf.

First caller wants Queenie to cancel Brexit… 🙂

@manandboy at 9:46 pm

Archived that link for you…

link to web.archive.org

A couple of years ago there were rumours about Mountatten and conjecture that Willie McRae was executed as he had info on an establishment Pedophile ring. Looks like the first part is going to hit the headlines with the publication of a new book. Always thought this was more likely than the nucleur stuff. I have read elsewhere that the bomb was probably taken aboard by the fifteen year old crewman (not that he knew about it!)
link to irishcentral.com

Re Rosyth – Eemshaven ferry

Scotland does need a ferry to the continent, no doubt about it. Our exports are vital and will expand when we get Indy.
So a port at the right place is important.

I would have gone for for somewhere central like Rotterdam, Antwerpen or Zeebrugge with quick, short distances to the main population regions of Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and France.

I’ll admit to being sceptical at the beginning because Eemshaven (Harbour on the Ems) is what we say over here as “Am Arsch der Welt” (at the arse end of the world), a lonely place where the chickens and foxes say goodnight to each other…! Flat as a pancake.
Parking – no problem, 30m between lorries and still loads of room.
It’s about 30km to get to the next motorway and some serious driving in front of you.

However, if you think about the distance from Edinburgh to Dover before you start with the ferry, that’s a long, long way.

From Eemshaven the same distance would get you well into Bavaria, Northern France or Switzerland.

So it could be viable providing the transport companies see the sense in it.

From Edinburgh into the welcoming arms of the Dutch.. 🙂

Robert J Sutherland

Mr Sutherland is that you back to being hypocritical again. The old pot calling the kettle black.

Check out the state of this utter crap.

Expert insists on indyref3 to avoid repeat of Brexit chaos

link to archive.fo

British Nationalists soiling themselves gain momentum LOL

@Thepnr 11:36pm

Yer no gettin wan, but if yeez dae

Panic panic panic!! and what’s it got to do with Neil Findlay I thought he’d retired from threatening people on behalf of Labour

Cubby @ 23:27,

Sorry, didn’t realise you had been appointed the politeness prefect. Maybe then you should address your concerns to your hero the instigator.

I wish though you actually had something positive to say for once, rather than your customary delusional witch-hunting or this silly passive-aggressive twitting…

More straws in the wind…

At Ayr today on a day oot at the beach some of the family and I popped into a local hostelry for a bar lunch.

A high chair was provided for the grandwean a cheap and perfectly fine meal hit the spot. While paying for the food, the cook told me she’s off to the US for two months then Mexico for five.

“Are you coming back?” I asked. “Aye, in April.”
– “That’ll be in time for the independence referendum then?”
– “Aye, it’s amazin’ the things ye dae tae vote yes.”

At this stage, the bar owner – a typically, warm, nae-nonsense Ayrhire wummin in her late sixties who was standing nearby – for no obvious reason threw her arms around me.

“Listen son, ah’m no’ SNP. But See that Boris Johnson? He’s a clown – what right has he got tae tell us what we cannae dae?
“We have tae go for independence.”
– “How?”
– “Because we havenae got a choice.”

The day before I had reason to phone a solicitor friend on a business matter. Totally out of the blue he said: “By the way, I have some good news for you.”
– “Oh aye, what’s that?
– “I’ve totally come round to your way of thinking. I’m now a yes voter. Honestly.
– “What did you change your mind for?
– “Well, there was the Europe thing (my pal is of Italian heritage). I believed the other crew when they said a no vote would mean Scotland stays in the EU. I was a mug.
“Then there’s the monarchy.”
– “What aboot it?”
– “I didn’t think the SNP were strong enough in getting rid of the monarchy.”
– (*bites tongue) “Well, all in the fullness of time.”

Last week I had another exchange, this time at a local fair with a Tory farmer who admitted to being worried about Brexit cutting Scotland’s renowned quality beef sector off at the knees.
– “Do you honestly think Boris Johnson cares twa shites about Scotland?” I asked (nae point in fannying aboot with Galloway farmers).
– “Aye well, we’ll have to wait and see.”
– “Wait and see? What, after the Tory government stole Scotland’s £160 million convergence money?”
– “Aye, that wasn’t handled very well. But all politicians…they should be put up against a wall and shot.”
– “All? When has Nicola Sturgeon of Fergus Ewing ever done Scotland wrong? Or no’ been honest about things?”
– “Aye, well…”.

There was no further response – just a furrowed brow and a quizzical look. Now, not for moment do I think this man is of a mind to vote yes.

But he put foward no reasons why the union was good for Scotland. And as an intelligent man, you could sense his discomfiture as to why that should be.

I thought that lack conviction was significant – just as significant, in fact, as the other two conversations.

Taken together, they indicate not only a discernable shift to yes and a strengthening of commitment to independence among non-SNP supporters, but also a hesitancy among previously committed unionists as to the merits of their case.

All three exchanges – brief and incomplete as they were – in my book at least add to growing evidence of a turn of the tide in our favour, a shift that appears to be gathering momentum.

And it is entirely consistent with the You Gov poll showing an indy majority by party (SNP 46 + Greens 6).

Make no mistake, outside the blogosphere, the twittersphere and any other kind of sphere something truly fundamental is happening whuch has shifted yes/no dial significantly in our direction.

Part of it is certainly a sense that Scotland as a country is facing extinction unless we break free from the Westminster Tory nuthouse.

So persuade those who you can. Convince those who you must. Ignore those who you can’t.

And I don’t know about anybody else, but around these parts the campaign has already started. Lay on! Lay on! They fail!

Heart of Galloway @ 01:13,

Some interesting anecdotal evidence there.

I just hope we don’t wait too long so that the doubters begin to relax and think “well, it’s no so bad really…”, because then we’ll have blown our chances. That’s my main worry, that normalisation will begin to set in. That’s why I don’t want to wait nearly as long as another year.

[…] but also a hesitancy among previously committed unionists as to the merits of their case.

Which illustrates a quite important point. Some will not be persuaded enough to flip, but might still contribute, since we not only succeed by winning converts (always best, since that increases the “yes” margin by +2) but also by dissuading reluctant opponents from feeling motivated enough to cast an opposing vote (a lower margin increase of +1, but still worthwhile).

@Heart of Galloway
Lovely stories for a Sunday morn! Hope the SNP hierarchy are reading 🙂

A very good friend of mine from LONDONDERRY visited a while back. We always ban political discussion as it gets a bit intense as you can imagine. This time he said Nicola needed to get her act together and get oot!

I was jumping inside but just smiled causally and opened the vino.

Happy Sunday 🙂

Did I hear that eegit Boris right there on Sky?

“We don’t sell any pork pies to US,this is our chance to penetrate”

Seriously. wtf is this mince?

@Heart of Galloway

I think you are correct about a shift in Yes/No sentiment. I think it would be in the bag already if there was a viable ‘pro indy’ party that wasnt also full-on social justice leftist arseholes that somehow see’s diktat from Brussels on anything meaningful as being independent.

Ive lived and worked in the EU for years and under left wing governments. There’s a reason so many Europeans (and even refugees/economic migrants) want to be in the UK.

I dont want to say this but its the truth for me – on voting for independence I fear that the hyper progressive Scottish people will crawl further up their own arses and basically turn the place into an intolerable leftist shithole. Dont like the transgender issue currently? It will get worse.

Why do I say this? Because the majority of Scottish nationalists ive ever met have been UTTERLY clueless on economics, have a very narrow vision (i.e if its British or American its bad, if its anyone else then its good), dont know anything meaningful about socialism in the 20th century and are wide eyed idiots when it comes to the realities of the EU.

The hypocrisy I see on social media with pro indy people (yes I know the Unionists are arseholes) makes me want to puke. No facts, no reasoned thoughts just pure emotion and political bias.

Joe @8-19am

Your Tory instincts are showing once again, Joe, you need to be a lot more subtle to persuade people on here!!!

RJS@3.53.

Exactly. Morale, motivation and belief in the cause are priceless allies in any battle.

Yes outscored our adversaries in all three in 2014 but Scotland’s media fifth column, the purdah-breaking Vow and a last minute failure of nerve on the part of a significant number of people (immediately regretted) served to hand the British nationalists a narrow win. That, and some reality-defying postal vote returns, to which many have alluded before.

This time Yes is starting from a base of 50% plus, as opposed to 30%. There is also the growing perception that the very survival of Scotland is at stake – a belief that we MUST prevail because the implications of another defeat are unthinkable.

As to timing, I believe we will be guided by events as they unfold. Our diplomatic ties establiished with the EU before Brexit will come into play, likewise the Referendum Bill which when law will deliver both the mechanism and the legitimacy for holding IndyRef2.

I would not rule out an acceleration of the IR2 schedule if circumstances demand it.

@robbo says: 25 August, 2019 at 8:00 am:

” … Did I hear that eegit Boris right there on Sky?
“We don’t sell any pork pies to US,this is our chance to penetrate”
Seriously. wtf is this mince?”

Soonds afu like pork mince tae me, robbo, whit else wad be in pork pies?
;-))

There are rumours that the Rothsyth ferry service was allegedly sabotaged for political reasons. Not enough trucks used it and somehow that situation was engineered.

Anyone know what the truth is here?

So on trade deal Boris will demand export of those horrible(imho)
Melton Mowbray pork pies and shower trays and in return he’ll The Donald, give us clori chicken, hormone beef, aye excellent. Boris,way to go man ,you’re great!
FFS , that’s it ,I’m aff oan the drink the day,can’t fecking deal wae this.

@Joe says: 25 August, 2019 at 8:19 am:

” … I think you are correct about a shift in Yes/No sentiment. I think it would be in the bag already if there was a viable ‘pro indy’ party that wasnt also full-on social justice leftist arseholes that somehow see’s diktat from Brussels on anything meaningful as being independent.”

Give it up, Joe, first of all The EU has no way of forcing member states to do anything. Unlike the UK it doesn’t work by diktat and compulsion and, as every member state has a veto, if they do not want to do anything that the EU wants them to do they just veto it or just ignore it.

The EU works by democracy and consensus while the UK works by diktat. Furthermore what you claim as extreme left wing is in face slightly left of centre. Strange that you claim it as extreme left wing. It takes an extreme right winger, (fascist), to view the EU as being extreme left wing.

In other words, Joe, you are wasting your time here on Wings for everyone, bar your own kind, knows you for what you are.

If you doubt what I claim above then explain how Sweden, a founder EU member, still has not been forced to adopt the Euro?

Oh! Don’t bother telling more lies, I’ve answered that question already – it is because the EU has no way to force member states to do anything because the EU works by consensus.

If member states adopt EU recommendations it is because they must have agreed to them or the member state would just ignore the EU directive or would have vetoed whatever the directive was when it went through the EU parliament.

BTW: There are no unelected people in the EU making members do anything. Those, “Unelected People”, are commissioners and that means they are employees, (commissioned”, means paid for and you do not elect employees who, in any case, cannot make decisions – only the EU parliamentarians make decisions – not the EC.

Had a rare listen to radio Scotland news. Second or third item is Edinburgh to Glasgow rail journey was really really busy last night. People felt it was overcrowded and there were kids there (said woman who mentioned she had her bike with her). No one hurt, no delay just crowded on a short rail journey.

…and the BBC wonder why people turn off.

An articles from earlier in the week by Jason Michael McCann.

link to randompublicjournal.com

Robert J Sutherland@12.45am

I will address each of your criticisms in turn.

1. I am not a politeness prefect and never will be. That is just a bit of deflection. The point is not whether or not you act politely or not but the fact that you act hypocritically by criticising others for criticising in an unpolite way and at the same time doing it yourself on many occasions. Pot calling kettle black. I am sure an intelligent man like you can tell the difference so your comment is deflection.

2. Sorry don’t do hero worship.

3. Sorry I don’t believe in witches, goblins, ghosts, wizards, ghouls etc etc so I don’t go hunting for any such creatures. If however you aren’t referring to phoney independence supporting Britnats then I don’t need to go hunting for them either. They appear of their own free will on Wings.

4. Scotland will once again be a free and independent country in the very near future. Positive enough for you Mr Sutherland?

rosyth & prestwick failed as they were discriminated against in favour of southern ports, no other logical explanation
resulting in increased costs for trade & travellers
chumps, the lot of us
i hope the eemshaven plan doesn’t suffer the same fate

Robert Peffers says:
25 August, 2019 at 10:19 am
@Breeks says: 25 August, 2019 at 9:14 am:

Utter pish! Breeks.

R J Sutherland requested clarification on what “extra regio” meant in the context of the GERS figures, and I referred him to Westminster Government Document which cited a reference from the ONS, Office of National Statistics, which quoted Extra-Regio as detailed above. By convention, that is clarification of how the U.K. Government is defining its interpretation of Extra-Regio.

If you disagree with the UK government’s definition of Extra-Regio, or think it’s pish, then it’s up to you, but take it up with the ONS or the Government. I was simply answering RJS question. Something you had rather rudely declined to do.

Auld Bob, England has its own oil and gas production , oil and gas from Whytch Farm in Dorset peacked at around 100,000 barrels per day and i think is currently half that, there is also the gas fields off Gt Yarmouth and Morcambe, plus whatever is fracked.
That is why Scotland only has 90% plus of UK Production

@Robert Peffers

Sorry Rob, but you are either gloriously thick or are downright dishonest. Ive already been over how and why the a member of the EU cannot be considered an ‘independent country’.

Through which discussion you side stepped and straw manned like a pro.

Besides the facts of EU membership ive been through EU migration and residency. Ive lived in multiple cities throughout the EU. Ive payed my taxes and social contributions there. There is good reason im back in the UK.

So, eh, no I wont ‘give it up’.

As for my ‘kind’?

My kind is those with lived experience of the subject at hand, an economic education and will for REAL Scottish independence.

I simply do NOT trust anyone who thinks that Scottish independence automatically should mean EU membership. Especially those snakes who wish to distort the failings of the EU and the growing problems

For those who do – get an education, get some knowledge and step outside of the ridiculous bubble of ‘EU good, UK bad’. Its much more fucking complicated than that.

So what kind are you? Given the obvious lies you spout about the EU I can put a word to it.

You are no Scottish nationalist by any stretch of the imagination. You are an European nationalist and a liar. So at least we have assessed of which ‘kind’ we are.

I think that’s Chris Cairns’ best ever. ALL of the GERS banter, distilled into one small cartoon. A picture is worth a thousand words, but a Cairns cartoon is worth a million…… brilliant!

Oh yes – i’ll say it now (sorry for a 3rd post): after trans acceptance comes a push to accept pedophilia as a legit ‘sexuality’.

Doubt me? Its already started. Watch for it.