Wings Over Scotland

Great take on Indy getting left up Shit Creek without a paddle.
How on earth did we end up here?

“Always leave ’em wanting more”.

A saying attributed to P T Barnum.

So very appropriate. Sturgeon’s eight and a half years in office has been nothing but a circus, and a ruinously expensive one for Scotland. A circus with a surfeit of clowns.

She would have to now live with her conscience, but she has amply demonstrated that she completely lacks one and Chris has perfectly captured that in his depiction of her here.

THOMAS POTTER
Answer. Politicians were trusted and allowed to just get on with it.
That is plainly not the way to do it.
Elected politicians require 24/7 oversight, in very bright light.
Their tenure of office ought also to have a use by date. No nice little earning jobs for life.
In other words the politician ought to realize who’s boss.
THE PEOPLE. Truly a novelty under the British system.

This eulogy for Nicola, link to voices.scot, is actually worth a read, though you might have to hold your nose here and there. It’s a great example on how media spin is effective for those who have no desire to look closely at what’s going on – a great warm blanket of comforting lies instead of uncomfortable truths.

No doubt there’s a significant percentage of people who think like this – the extremists over at WGD are not alone. That’s going to limit the amount of cleanup that can be done in public, if it happens at all, without creating domestic tensions for the new leader. It also means that Nicla can just give her blessing to Humza and a lot of people will be happy. She knows full well that he’s the anchor tied to the feet of the independence movement and she’ll merrily chuck him over the side, knowing that he’ll drag everything to the bottom.

That’s the reality but in the happy, clappy world of authoritative covid briefings in which she kept the nation safe, the baby boxes, and the push to create a fairer equal Scotland there are a lot of people who will keep a light on for Nicola.

Unpalatable, but it’s worth recognising the difference between simply cleaning the stables and tastefully, refurbishing them.

You’ve done it again Chris. Nail head firmly struck. Perfect list of achievements.

Great cartoon – Sadly.

P.T. Barnum also said :

“Those who really desire to attain an independence, have only to set their minds upon it, and adopt the proper means, as they do in regard to any other object which they wish to accomplish, and the thing is easily done.”.

Sturgeon has betrayed the YES movement. She has never wanted independence. In time, that will become abundantly clear.

I have not given any recent updates as I am down under and out of the time zone/out of the loop/tired of it all.

It will be Forbes but by a tighter margin than expected. She gave up on the campaign 1 week ago. No idea why.

Have a look at the Sundays – the house of cards is being propped up with more to fall. Not all at once but one by one.

Scotland would never have been an independent country under Humza Yousaf. There is still a chance.

My final comment on this chapter.

Another cracker, Chris! But where’s the baby? Thrown out with the bath water? LOL!

I detest Sturgeon & Murrell and their “Scottish Green” bedfellows for what they’ve done to the whole indy movement and our right of self-determination.

Patrick Harvey, the paedo’s friend, now being promoted in the Unionist media squeeming ‘n’ stamping his feet about the new SNP leader and First Minister not ripping up the St Andrew’s House Agreement.” Don’t worry, Mr PIE, Hoozat Useless will see to it Skanky Sturgeon’s mission will be completed for you.

Thanks for the toon, Chris. Another direct hit. Now back to my break away from the stress-inducing treachery that is Holyrood & Co.

Remember that horrible story about the airline pilot who when the captain went to the toilet locked him out the cabin and then deliberately flew the plane load of people and himself into the side of a mountain.

The captain eventually realized what the co-pilot was doing was trying to break into the cabin with an emergency axe but it was too little too late…

So think of it this way, that plane was the SNP / Independence movement, Sturgeon was the co-pilot, Salmond was the captain, and we were all passengers.

That sums up what Nicola Sturgeon’s ‘reign’ and what she is as a human being.

What she did was beyond despicable.

Sorry for posting this here but twitter wouldn’t let me direct message you:

@Rev you need to be purging the varnish cache when somebody posts comment. That way they’ll see what the wrote then the page is re-displayed. Comments come in burst so that will cause performance spikes, which you may or may not be able to live with depending on the server performance. Overall though with 300-500 comments that’s not too big a load increase unless you really do want to keep server costs down. Another thing you might try is to reduce the number of comments per page – slightly more annoying for readers wanting to skim through everything but it would offset things a little.

It is funny though as much as I find Sturgeon and Murrell to be despicable to a level I never knew existed, I think I am coming to despise the wee-ginger-clapping-seals of the independence movement more, if that is even possible.

They enabled NS long after it was obvious she was real bad news. They just closed their eyes to it. Total rubes, mugs or worse, complicit.

Even now despite standing in the smoking ruin of what was the independence movement and SNP many of them still think the sun shines out Sturgeon’s arse. It is truly beyond belief.

I have never seen stupider smart people in my life (they are not low IQ, just willfully stupid). Doe eyed chattering class idiots who float through life in their little bubble of circular blah blah bullshit. Smug and clueless they were the unwitting and very often vicious foot soldiers of a colossal betrayer. And so what does that make them… (So many of them seemed to appear after 2014 as well.)

Personally I cannot f**king stand them. With ‘friends’ like these you do not need enemies as we have seen, the damage is done.

They seem to float from one political movement to another wrecking them, like a parasite.

On the spectrum from narcissism to sociopath to psychopath she is well in there. Just a pity it took this length of time for a helluva lot of us to come to that diagnosis. As for the machinery that upheld her, and still does, there’s only one thing to say – CORRUPT AS FUCK.

Betrayal and anger.

Mac,

You have just described lovers of the EU perfectly.

Brexit was the best thing to happen to this country for 70 years. If Corbyn had been in charge and done this.

link to new-wayland.com

The SNP would have tried to stop all of it. Tells you everything you need to know. The complete opposite of how Forbes ( run by Brussels) thinks.

The people you describe moved to the SNP because of Brexit and thus destroyed the independence movement.

At least unionist Sturgeon is no longer the supposed leader of the independence movement. Her contempt for independence will be her legacy. I’m sure she’ll enjoy her retirement amongst close british nationalist chums like Leslie Evans unless, of course, the law catches up with her.

Antoine Roquentin says:
25 March, 2023 at 9:26 am

Al Jezeera run a good line on the exposure of corruption in failed states and banana-republics, dissidents with a credible dossier on what’s been allowed to happen here during Sturgeon’s reign might get a hearing in oil-rich wee Qatar, they certainly won’t get one here.

The same Al-Jazeera which employed Osama Saeed after he fled the country over questions as to the thousands of pounds the Holyrood government gave his Scottish-Islamic Foundation for zero return (it rented an office in Nelson Mandela Square which lay empty for most of its lease)?

The same Osama Saeed allowed back into Scotland no questions asked, and parachuted into a winnable seat in Ayrshire for the SNP come the next GE?

The same Osama Saeed who tried to bully with his SIF cronies Glasgow CC into turning a failing Catholic school St Albert’s into a Muslim one, against the wishes of local parents (most of them Muslim)?

The same Osama Saeed whose remarkable ability to get away with it for so long is in no way connected to him being the cousin of Humza Yousaf …

All I see for Sturgeons legacy is Failure, Incompetence, Betrayal & Heartbreak

Scotland, Catalunya and Québec have a significant common factor.
A majority of those identifying as Scots, Catalans and Québecois would elect for political independence. Those with other identities would not. Research into modern independence movements, available online, indicates that.
Identity, whether based on, birth, culture, blood and soil or simply prejudice, matters.
With low birth rates the matter becomes acutely one of ethno-cultural survival.
Scots, Catalans, Québecois etc have a «right» to exist in an environment that fosters, just like any other «species» on the planet. The protection of independence alone offers the means to enable that.
Self-interest is not a crime.

The baby box in another form but the exact same deceit.

Why does the UK import Labour ?

With x number of people unemployed, y number of people inactive but want a job, and z number of part timers wanting full time why do we need any more? Never mind the number of people underemployed.

It’s relatively straightforward. The British Labour market suffers from the ‘British disease’?—?a vestige of Imperialism. We find it easier to steal resources from other countries than to create our own.

It’s about time we realised most brexit solutions involve import substitution.

Because the supply side approach to creating jobs is seriously flawed. We end up with a % of the working population unutilised in the workforce one way or another. And that’s before we get onto people over 65, who are automatically excluded despite the state pension age creeping ever higher.

None of these ever match the vacancies on offer.They don’t match for several reasons:The job role demands a skill set that is not available at the price offered. The job is in the wrong geographical location from the people who could do it.The job has physical requirements that are not available at the price offered.

So the process of filling a job the SNP way goes something like this:

Business advertises for a person to work very long hours for a pittance, often somewhere ridiculous like London nobody appropriate applies for it.

Business goes running to nanny shouting ‘skill shortage’ and demands visas.

Government gives in to business because businesses are treated like pets, not cattle.

The job is advertised abroad foreign nations, exporting their people like cargo, welcome the visas and encourage people to leave rather than sort the social problems out at home.

So the elite class in both countries get what they want.

The poor country gets rid of their peasants that are competing for what little resources there are and who may send some foreign currency back which the elites can appropriate through taxes, financial discounting or even occasionally producing goods for people.

The rich country gets cheap labour that will stack high in tenement blocks and work all hours for a lower wage. The elite cream off the surplus and socialise the losses onto the school system, the health system and the social services who then advertise for people to expand and find that there aren’t any skilled staff to work in those areas. The public sector then asks for visas, advertises abroad…

What you get, in effect, is the same process at a country level that we had initially in the industrial revolution at a city level. 1840s Manchester followed the same process, but with the surrounding rural areas rather than areas thousands of miles away in a different country. Birmingham, Glasgow and others followed the same process.

It will end up in the same way it always does?—?the rich living in gated wonderlands while the poor live in slums squashed in like sardines.

Shanty towns are what happen when you allow market forces free rein. The UK had the first shanty towns, and the way it is run at the moment it will be the first shanty country.

It’s not just at the low level this process happens. Agriculture is notorious for it, but it also happens in IT. The larger firms put pressure on the government to let them import ‘skilled staff’ just as soon as the local workers develop any pricing power.

In reality they just want to pay less, and the prevailing economic orthodoxy uses a ‘reserve army of the unemployed’ to keep wages under control. In their belief system, inflation control has to be done on the labour side of the equation, never on the capital side. That why we have concepts like NAIRU, but never a NAIRC (non-accelerating inflation rate of competition).

When you look at a country with a different approach?—?Japan?—?you find, that even with a declining population and GDP relatively static overall, the GDP per capita is rising. That’s because they are automating and treating their elderly with respect. Fast food places are closing because they can’t get the staff. People get their cars washed by machines and their coffee from machines. All that drives forward productivity which then maintains and improves the standard of living?—?because they have to.

It’s not all perfect. The Japanese elite are gripped with neoliberalism like everywhere else. There is unnecessary unemployment and unhappiness. There are strong pushes for more ‘guest workers’. But the language, writing barrier and general culture stops them throwing open the doors. They have developed a different way for an island nation to bumble along relatively happily but with a net migration rate of about zero.

When you read any of the immigration literature put out by economists have a look and see if you can find Japan mentioned. You won’t find them in there?—?because it doesn’t fit the prevailing narrative.

So there is another way to improve standard of living rather than going around nicking resources from other nations. But it means treating business like cattle rather than pets. It means elites having to address local problems and innovate rather than sweeping them under the carpet.

Most importantly, it means having a political party that puts the poorer majority in the nation first and we don’t have one of those at the moment. Who are willing to increase our productivity by introducing a skills based immigration system.

Voters are stupid enough to believe free movement of people will increase productivity.

What is common to Catalunya, Québec and Scotland is that the Governments they are under have colluded (yes they have) on a new approach to the potential secession of these territories.

They are claiming that the right to self determination of those territories has been signed away ‘by agreement’ and that therefore they cannot leave without the agreement of the rest of the country.

This flies in the face of the basic principle of self determination under international law as enshrined in various UN treaties (e.g. ICCPR) to which they are signatories. Those laws are based on the principle that the right to self determination is inalienable i.e. it is impossible to sign that right away and that any ‘people’ who demonstrate that they wish to excercise that right can do so.

‘People’, the UN term, means a population within a defined geographical area.

This ‘by agreement’ claim has never been tested with the UN yet because none of the territories have up till now been able to demonstrate a democratic majority for secession.
Canada has had two referendums just falling short of a majority.
Spain and the UK are avoiding that test by other means.

I do not believe that when the time comes and Scotland has demonstrated a majority for self determination that the UN/ICJ will
accept that the right to self determination has been signed away by agreement. I think Spain and the UK know that as well so the ongoing strategy is to try to prevent the democratic expression of that will.

I’m sorry but I can’t stand to look at her , even in cartoon form. Phuckin imposter.

David Hannah

The trans mob are savages.
They’re fascists masquerading as the left with thier *be kind & inclusive* bullshit. Left leaning lingo the Trojan horse.

They’re anything but. They’re deranged fking nutters who’d glady burn history & erect the gallows for terfs or anyone else who question them.

Women have been warning for yrs but the public sleepwalked in response ‘live & let live’ attitude which only emboldened them & now it’s completely out of hand.

This is who Humza & Kate plan on pacifying with taxpayers money.
This is who Ash declared she will be uncompromising in telling them to get tae fk..

We’ll see which one the membership fix vote for..

Stuart
Somebody you probably know, Mike Dailly, has joined the SNP.

A game changer? 😉

Re NS pulling women up with her, did you know that her surgery in Govanhill was held in the mosque in Butterbiggens Road which has a separate entrance for women? I saw a poster for it in the waiting area of the health centre next door to the mosque.

Re the post above re fascists masquerading as the Left, I suggest that people look up the actual bodycounts under Communism. For some reason these are not taught in Western schools nor are there calls for monuments to the victims in every Western city.

Re a peoples right to their land and culture, I suggest that people look up Operation Lentil.

@Chic McGregor says:25 March, 2023 at 12:53 pm

Beats me why Indy supporters constantly bring up Québec as some kind of example to follow.

It’s a fucking nerve for the French-speaking colonists of the geographical area they call Québec to claim they have any right of self determination.

The only people with a right to self determination in that land are the indigenous inhabitants. The ones from whose ancestors the land was stolen at gunpoint.

What do they want? Does anybody ask them? Is anybody interested? Are any of the colonists, whether French or English speaking, prepared to live in a Cree nation with Algonquian as its first language?

Are you going to tell me I am wrong about this? I’m not, so in what way is Québec relevant to the discussion of Scots Indy?

Treason can only prosper when none dare call it treason, there goes your Sturgeon apologists right there

Goodbye and good riddance.
What an abject failure of a woman.

Humza the only one of the 3 candidates at her leaving do, Kate made excuses, seems to be her trait, Ash not invited.

Vindictive, spiteful, small minded and nasty to the end.

”The only people with a right to self determination in that land are the indigenous inhabitants. The ones from whose ancestors the land was stolen at gunpoint.”

John There’s little I agree with you on but I’ll give you that one 100%

John

During the discussions for the patriation of Canada in the 80s, Canadian and UK civil service mandarins came up with the ruse of empowering the Supreme Court to facilitate things. A bill of rights was passed to provide the basis.

As a side benefit they note that the SC could rule on whether Quebec could unilaterally leave.

The UK did not have a Supreme Court at that time but the UK mandarins noted that if a similar court were set up in the UK that it could prove useful for ‘managing’ a future potential problem with Scotland wanting independence.

Regarding the indigenous people of Quebec. The First Nations. There is a heavy irony. They unanimously wanted to remain with Canada The bigger ones held their own referendums on this where well over 90% voted to to leave Quebec and join the rest of Canada. The Quebec Government refused to allow that and stated that Quebec would retain its existing borders after independence. If the quebec Government had agreed to let them go beforee holding the Quebec referendum Then Yes/Oui would probably have won because the First Nation population of Quebec is a little more than 1% of the population and NO won by less than 1%.

With unionist Sturgeon gone and our best hope Regan unlikely to replace her the SNP will continue to follow british nationalist procedure by meekly sending their elected representatives down to the Westminster cesspit where they will be insulted or ignored, again as part of british nationalist procedure.

The best and obvious thing to do in the future is for all pro independence MPs to copy Sinn Fein policy and abstain from taking their seats in said cesspit.

Under a unionist Yousaf SNP leadership this won’t happen. Doubtful under Forbes.

Alba is our only hope for this in the future.

To continue to send supposedly pro independence politicians to the Westminster cesspit only lends legitimacy to the discredited, dysfunctional and undemocratic so-called united kingdom.

This says it all about the perverted degenerates at the Greens, who don’t support Scottish independence. Never ever vote for the Greens again.

“Patrick Harvie confirms that his Green Party will only maintain a pro independence majority government if humza Yousaf is SNP leader.

So they’ll sit and vote with the unionists to try block an SNP First Minister if it’s not Humza”

link to twitter.com

@Confused 2:04pm

Well said.

But if anyone questions perceived English superiority in language, heredity, history or socio-political theory they must be, can only be, in accordance with English superior belief, racist.

Such is the actual inferiority of English superiority.

“Patrick Harvie confirms that his Green Party will only maintain a pro independence majority government if humza Yousaf is SNP leader”

Surely this is an oxymoron, is it not?

An SNP (in its current configuration) + Green Party majority is not a pro independence majority. It is a pro-perverts majority. It is not the same thing. Scotland’s autonomy hasn’t moved an inch under these disgusting liars.

Humza Yousaf is not a leader. The riggers within the establishment may succeed in catapulting him to the post of FM and “leader” of the SNP, but that does not make him a leader. It makes him a puppet. He would never achieve the post should he have been forced to compete on his own merit alone.

Still no reason yet why Sturgeon resigned so suddenly.

It was obviously a deliberate act, but why?

@confused

I’ve read that study and it doesn’t show what you claim. What it does show is that west of Scotland is closer genetically to Northern Ireland and the south, east and north east of Scotland are closer genetically to England. The picts are not Scots, the scots are in fact Irish in origin and the picts ancient Britons and anglo Saxons were as I said in Scotland before the Irish scotti.

It is no coincidence that the genetic map produced in the study matches up quite nicely with Rev Warracks dialect map of Scotland and shows the same boundary between the scotti (Gael) incomers and the people who were here before them that runs in a north westerly direction roughly though the middle of Scotland.

In Chris’depiction of Sturgeon she looks like she’s morphing into Arlene Foster.

GERI. 2:36
Bagpipes are found in many countries of Europe, North Africa, MidEast and East Asia.
The Scottish piop mòr, and the pentatonic scale music written for it, is unique.
The kilt is another matter. The word is probably Lancs/Yorks dialect after the inventor, Thomas Rawlinson who originated in Lancashire. Prior to 1700 it is unknown as a noun in Scots.
The prototype garment was possibly a long piece of cloth resembling a toga worn over a tunic resembling the Greek khiton.
The kilt, along with «plaid», was created as a military uniform for so-called Highland regiments. It is paradoxically a symbol of Unionist, colonialist militarism.
Like the piop mòr, the feileadh mòr needs detaching from the use the British imperialists made of it and the faux history peddled by the shortbread tin «Scottish» tourist industry.

Ron Clark says:
25 March, 2023 at 2:49 pm

Still no reason yet why Sturgeon resigned so suddenly.

It was obviously a deliberate act, but why?

Know anything about this?

One ticking time bomb in the Salmond case was reported by Conor Matchett in the Scotsman on 15 March 2023. Responding to a Freedom of Information request, the Scottish Information Commissioner (SIC) has ruled that the Scottish government had claimed ‘incorrectly’ (nice euphemism) that information of a kind significant to the Salmond inquiry had been held not by the Scottish Government but by James Hamilton, the special adjudicator brought in to decide whether Ms Sturgeon had breached the ministerial code in the Salmond case. Matchett reports that the information included ‘highly controversial and legally challenging claims and detail’. The Scottish government is set to appeal the SIC’s ruling against it to the Court of Session. If the judgment goes against them, evidence withheld in the Salmond case may be published. This has the potential of dynamite.

link to scotsman.com

“The absolute stupidity of placating sexual deviants & queers”

I was struggling to discern a difference between these two categories!

But I guess that whilst not all sexual deviants are queers, all queers are sexual deviants.

How on earth any of these came to be driving the direction of social policy in a country that (at least among its working class) is so determinedly normal, I’ll never understand.

I guess part of the problem is having the Parliament in Edinburgh with its massive presence of effete incomers (not all of them English) and semi-native ponses from ts private schools, the ‘arts’ and the higher reaches of the Law.

Ruby @ 3.37pm

You could be on to something there – it is often the cover-up, rather than the actual crime, that proves costly.

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh 3:48

link to scientificamerican.com

The ancestry business, is a snake oil business.

Doug says:
25 March, 2023 at 2:16 pm

“by meekly sending their elected representatives down to the Westminster cesspit where they will be insulted or ignored”

They are very comfortable that way, don’t you worry.

Everything stopping independence resides at Holyrood.

The denial of Democracy resides at Holyrood. The First Minister of Scotland, hiding behind opinion poll figures and bogus pursuit of referenda from Westminster.

Westminster is protecting the Union, as would be entirely expected of any British government. That alleged denial of democracy, by London, is fakery. Self-determination is self explanatory, it should not require any permission, nor should it be expected.

The international community looking on, fully aware of Holyrood’s pretence of self-determination.

To suggest that polling figures of about 50/50 is too low to propose independence as the default election promise by SNP, is hypocritical nonsense.

There’s no risk attached to the above manifesto promise, unless of course, over 50% vote for independence! That is the exact situation we are in, Holyrood has no real ambition to step up to the plate.

Holyrood is the enemy. Those in power are perpetuating their own situation, as are those who withhold criticism of that parliament.

Ottomanboi You may think its a snake oil business , others including myself have had their lifes transformed by doing an ancestry test. Nobody expects 100% results from a £50 test but i have found scores of cousins i did not know I had thanks to Ancestry. On my mothers side we found a first cousin, on my fathers side, i discovered I was not a Hartley but A Keane from County Mayo, Ireland. Through my new cousins brought together by DNA i was shown proof that My Grandmother was married to a Keane and had three Children my father being youngest before that marriage dissolved and she married a Hartley and my father took on that name.(he never knew about his father as he was a baby when his father left the marriage)
It explains why we could never find a birth certificate for him as he was not born a Hartley.
So you are wrong in saying its a snake oil business and btw DNA has possibly solved the question who are the Picts, i have not concluded my research as yet but its looking like the Picts are descended from the original Neolithic farmers who came from Anatolia (Greater Scythia) And travelled via the Med, and iberia to what is now Gt Britain and Ireland and rest of Europe), sound familiar, read the Irish Book of Invasions , the Declaration of Arbroath and Bede says the Picts had same creation myth.)
they were small , ave size 5’ 3” and dark skinned and they brought the blue eyed gene , contemporary sources described the Picts as small in stature and dark skinned.
About five thousand years ago there was another invasion into Europe this time from the Stepps via the Danube and Rhine, the Beaker People, they had metalworking skills so had superior weapons and also were the first to use Horses, they replaced many of the Neolithic farmers , but in what is Now Gt Britain and Ireland they dont appear to have brought women with them, from that time, most Neolithic males disappeared, today in Scotland the mix for males is around 90% beaker people and females 90% Neolithic, in Scotland it is also thought that 10% of males are descended from Picts .
Is that the same 10% that are Neolithic farmer well i need to do a bit of research to match them up but historical descriptions would appearto say they are one and the same.
Incidently the other month the Rev said in an article about biological males in Womans Sports that the Average hight of a “British” female was 5” 3”
If you want to know what a Pict looked like, go to Sardinia, the Beaker People bypassed them and they are 90% Neolithic farmer.

The ancestry business, is a snake oil business.

In fairness, that’s a criticism of online DNA tests and databases… emphasis on online.

I think DNA analysis done “properly” is pretty interesting for what it can reveal.

Being able to trace your lineage would be quite interesting, with certain caveats. There’s nothing special about someone who can trace their ancestoral lineage back 2000 years, or 20,000 years. We, that is all of us, have the same chronological lineage too, it just isn’t as traceable.

I watched a program about the immigration into Europe of Homoerectus, and the anaylists believed the early migrations actually failed, because DNA recovered from remains has no discernable lineage in subsequent generations. So these populations essentially died out. “Perhaps” because they clashed with Neanderthals, or perhaps starvation or disease.

If memory serves, I think the same thing happened with neolithic settlements and early bronze age, posing conundrums about why some populations died out to an extinction extent.

The online DNA stuff is the equivalent of cheap tat and souvenirs designed for tourists, but the proper stuff is going to tell us a lot about our roots and history.

Scotland only became habitable when the glaciers of the last Ice Age, the Younger Dryas, retreated 12,800 years ago, when nature, and people, moved in to the land the ice vacated. Those people are probably the origins of the Picts, who were obviously descendents of “somebody”, and it might be interesting to know who.

I need to watch it again if I can find it, because they reckoned ginger hair might have evolved from mineral deficiencies created by less sunlight. That bit stuck in my mind because we ought to have blonde or ginger Inuit then shouldn’t we? Depends on the mutation I suppose.

Then along comes Graham Hancock with his Ancient Apocalypse theories, and all bets are off again.

@David Hannah,

I live in NZ and I’m horrified and ashamed by what happened to Posie Parker. Labour and Green politicians, along with most of NZ’s media deliberately whipped up a frenzy over her arrival. Their aim was to demonise her by linking her to neo nazis and far right extremists, and it worked. I reckon NZ is at least a year behind Scotland in terms of the public waking up to the insanity of gender ideology. There’s a media blackout of gender critical voices here, which means it’s going to take a wee longer before that happens. On a positive note, I do believe the events over the last few days peaked more than a few people 🙂

youtube.com/watch?v=puQ-nGDkc08

Luke Warm Dave is clearly going somewhere with this. It’s not just rehashing the story. Any thoughts?

The paper by Dr Ewan Campbell which I referred to above: link to electricscotland.com

Red hair is thought of as particularly Scottish/Irish. I can assure anybody that cares to read this that vivid red hair types exists in the MiddleEast. The Nazi race theorists considered red hair as Jewish ie Semitic. Whether that is so is a very open question.
The similarities between certain structural aspects of Celtic and Semitic languages opens the doors to much imaginative thinking, for those prone.
As a Syriac «Iraqi», a rather ancient genetic soup, I prefer not to speculate too much.
The plain chant used in Gaelic churches has similarities to Ethiopian Orthodox psalmody.
Gaelic psalm singing may well have impacted on Black American singing styles.
Fascinating place your Scotland!

In reply to Bob Mac –
My mother had Dupytrens Contracture and she was Welsh! (No knowledge of Viking ancestors on her side.)

Anton Decadent says:
25 March, 2023 at 4:10 pm

I’ve always assumed that genital mutilation and steriliztion via transitioning was the Green party’s great plan to reduce world population.

@ Stuart MacKay

Direct link to the LWD 6 min vid.

link to youtube.com

Is there maybe something brewing from down south? EG. England / UK coming to the rescue in matters legal seeing as Scotland is showing itself to be so corrupt.
In a similar fashion to the Tories giving themselves the appearance of being the sane saviors in all this genderwoowoo nonsense.

What I want to know is why Miss H ain’t banged up for her part. Or is it that her time will come as at the moment the net is still being cast to take down far more of the folk involved in the conspiracy?
I said years ago, there is just no way Miss H could send that text to the group stating along the lines of “I think I know how we can proceed and remain anonymous” if she hadn’t already run that past some very powerful and influential people in positions that could ensure that status would be granted, and the protection maintained.
Any smart person just wouldn’t have had the confidence to press send on that text without prior checking, as what they were embarking on could bring down the entire wider cabal involved in the conspiracy.
Mind you, that same person was dense enough to accuse Alex of something on a date and time she wasn’t even in the same building, so there’s maybe that to counter my point…

Tinto Chiel says:
25 March, 2023 at 6:17 pm

As for the savant up thread who thinks people in the Northern Isles spoke Anglo-Saxon, I fear he is ill-informed. Norn was spoken there (once the Picts were assimilated) until it was gradually replaced by Scots some time in the 19th

Obviously never been to Whalsa, they folks are very hard to understand, and I have been among Shetlanders since birth, my own family moved from Crovie to Lerrick in the 19th century and helped modernise the fishing industry, in fact a lot of Shetlanders at least know of the Watts, so I would say it was Doric rather than Scots that watered down the Norn speakers, and again, someone thinking that Doric is from Inglis is wrong on, Doric has more in common with old Norse, and Flemish rather than Anglo Saxon,and like other languages of Northern Sscotland, only got watered down to what we see spoken today in the North East but I am learning my mormors and morfars language and some of the similarities are astounding, Kvinne is woman, quine is young woman or girl in Doric, Barn is child, where bairn is child in doric/Scots, and the alto well known one kirsch and kirk if you spoke to someone from Gamrie, you would struggle to understand their old tongue, and reading it is just as hard. I read something last week that the English language was derived from Scots, but I cannot for the life of me remember where I read the article, but it gave a bloody good argument for it to be true

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This is a link to The Scotsman article on press reader:

‘SNP ministers set for court battle over Hamilton Report evidence on Nicola Sturgeon’s conduct’

Not sure if you need to be logged into Press reader or not.

Give it a try.

Ottomanboi @6:34pm

There is this from The Guardian (sorry it was the clearest link I found):

Irish DNA originated in Middle East and eastern Europe

Genome analysis shows mass migration of Stone Age farmers from Fertile Crescent and Bronze Age settlers from eastern Europe was foundation of Celtic population

link to archive.ph

@Ruby (7.14) –

Worked for me, thanks. Interesting stuff.

😉

@Wullie B 7.08: interesting stuff but Doric is a dialect of Scots.

“I read something last week that the English language was derived from Scots.” That would be a hell of an argument!

TINTO CHIEL
When i first heard the chant i was struck by how un European it sounded.
The rise, the fall, the melismata, the voice ofthe cantor, the full emotive power of the sound is astoundingly familiar. In the presence of something very ancient? And fragile?

Well, the thread has wandered off-topic again but it happens to be an interest of mine so that’s ok. However, I’m a generalist rather than a specialist so my knowledge is a ragbag. (A specialist could put me right on areas that are still a puzzle to me.)The landscape of an area that encompasses genetics and archaeology is huge and often like a minefield with new discoveries exploding previous ideas.( Like the Yamnaya replacement theory.)

It’s not really possible to trace your family lineage as far back as 200.000 years. All that can be traced is to the human groups that existed then and what else can be said is that you have very many ancestors. It’s like rivers of water molecules disappearing into an ocean.

When people want to trace what is more recent family history they hope to find (perhaps) descent from a royal lineage. An anecdote might help to explain; a Cambridge mathematician was talking about his wife becoming a volunteer in a genetic investigation at her college who, in due time, came back with the exciting news that she was descended from Edward III and he had to douse her excitement by explaining to her that everybody in England could claim the same descent.

This seems counter-intuitive until you do the maths( something I did for fun with my sons when they were children to help explain the same point.) Steve Jones the geneticist used to explain it this way, by asking the question, that if you could time travel back to the Roman forum at the time of the Empire and could observe the people there, ‘How many people there would be the ancestors of everyone in Europe?’ The answer he gave was that roughly half the people there would be everyone’s ancestor and the other half would be no one’s ancestor.

The explanation is founded on the reality of evolution that if you go back in time to a period when you have a good idea of the size of the population and recognise the attrition and winnowing that occurs because of war, pestilence and famine then we, the descendants of survivors of that attrition, are more closely related than we might think. ( The example also sometimes used is Charlemagne. Go far enough back in time to a person whose history is known and recorded who was a prolific producer of offspring and you get the same answer – everyone in Europe must be a descendant.)

The game I played with my sons when they were children was to ask them to count backwards through the centuries until about the 14th century, round about the Battle of Bannockburn say.

Starting with 2 parents, 4 grandparents and so, on allowing for 4 generations each century you end up with a large number of possible ancestors which, if I remember correctly, gave a number of ancestors which exceeded the possible size of the population at that time. That means obviously you couldn’t have that many discrete ancestors so you must share ancestors – probably several times over with everyone else who lives in Scotland (and as, I think John Main mentioned in another post, might even mean a royal connection, if that matters.) You don’t even have to go back that far, actually, before you realise that you are going to end up with an impossible number of ancestors for the size of population.

And that’s before we get started on the Yamnaya (people from the Pontic Steppes) DNA contribution or even their replacement of Neolithic population in the British Isles.. But that’s another minefield. (It did result in the ludicrous headline in the Daily Mail, that No One in Britain is British.)

Somebody posted a link to a video of the Turkish version of ‘BBC Worldwide’ (or whatever) in the past 2 or 3 days. I saved it in a new tab and finally got round to watching it tonight.

It’s rather good. Being produced by a non-UK entity, it is free from the British media’s preconceptions and bias.

It’s worth a watch while you’re having your evening snacks.

link to youtube.com

re Gaelic psalm singing or presenting as its commonly called,it always reminds me of the chants of the Gregorian monks.

Something else I read totally off topic here was that Icelandic language is similar to Irish Gaelic, in a new book by an Icelander, now stories I have heard from my cousins in Darvik was that Irish/Scottish monks traveled to Iceland pre 700AD with their families, but when the Norsemen settled on Iceland they killed the monks but kept their women, so now a sizeable amount of Icelanders have celtic genes

@Wullie B: “I wish I could remember where I saw that article, and as I use a variety of devices to go online, checking the history isn’t easy.”

Your damned right. Still trying to pin down the black, shiny, engraved Stone of Destiny reference 😉 .

Twathater 5:15pm

It was my understanding he was gagged & unable to do that without serious consequences to himself?

Maybe moves behind the scenes is what’s lead to the stampede of rats jumping ship & why the Murrells desperately need a puppet who can pull a few strings?

Posie Parker – what a mess. That’s those poor maligned fluffy kitten sorts in action, showing thier brand of being kind & progressive.

Imagine telling one of those tossers to put thier d*ck away in the ladies loos when exposing themselves. They’d end up seeing stars.

Another video-link that somebody posted in the past 2 or 3 days, that I saved in a new tab, and have got round to watching tonight.

A lot of Allan Bissett in it.

link to youtube.com

@ Tinto Chiel: the Scone Palace website refers to “some contemporary accounts…” talk of it being “chair-shaped”, or “blackish”, or “sculpted” or “carved”.

So perhaps the National Library or St Andrews have these documents?

Archive footage of Achiltibuie school kids singing a Gaelic psalm (1955) —

link to tobarandualchais.co.uk

Looks like a hybrid of Arlene Foster and oor Nicla. Well caught!

@Sarah: thanks! Worth a try. State Archivist Dan will probs come up with something 🙂 .

There is a reason the Scots language is not taught and is given no statutory authority in Scotland, which is a violation o a fowk’s richt tae thair ain langage, also referred to as ‘Linguistic Imperialism’:

link to grousebeater.wordpress.com

Susan AHF says ”I see the TRAs and handmaidens have driven Posie Parker out of NZ “

The brown shirts are out and about with their misogyny. Very SNP.

Yes a warning for here, when you allow “stunning and brave” deviants to run amok

There is a list I have started of these old words that my spouse says, they are not english nor do they appear to be modern Gaelic,

In fact my spouse nor many others whom converse in the words donot even know how they are spelt,
So I am presuming they are from before a written Language as we would know it today, but was always a ancient oral language.

What day next week will an interdict be issued to stop the election of the new leader.

So many rules have been broken a coach and horses springs to mind.

Ah well!!!

I am a native of the North East, and understand what you are saying, I have always said modern doric has been anglicised, much like the Gaels and Gaelic, in fact modern Gaelic is what I call Can Seo gaelic after the 1980s TV show that used to be on Grampian TV.

WHen I moved to Skye, we were taught gaelic in the Skye dialect, and all of the islands had their own versions but back in the 90s Gaelic became standardised so that there wasn’t any more than one version and my kids have asked me words when doing homework and they have been marked wrong.

SusanAHF @ 10.32pm

I don’t know much about Australia or NZ as countries but had the impression vaguely that NZ at least was a quiet, progressive and liberal society.

What has happened in Australia and NZ is shocking to behold. The vicious aggression demonstrated by these hate-filled trans-activists was frightening. I dread to think what would have happened to Poise Parker if these violent thugs had actually got near her.

It isn’t just the behaviour of those transactivists which is horrifying though but the media and politicians who seem to be crowing at the fact that they denied women a voice. With the support of these politicians for this anti-democratic movement then I dread to think of life for women in those countries unless they learn the lesson they were being taught which is to shut up and know their place. Who would have thought there were so many men in those countries who are afraid to let women speak?

Before these latest incidents in the Antipodes I had already been thinking that there is a great well of hidden misogyny behind all this that is now being revealed by this regressive belief system. We can see it throughout the so-called liberal west previously concealed behind a veil of political correctness and now is able to drop the mask.

We have judges insisting for no good reason that victims of male violence are obliged to use female pronouns, yet there is no law that says they must. Journalists, particularly the hypocritical Guardian, seem to glory in calling a rapist or a murderer a ‘woman’. Again there is no legal obligation to do this.

Who would have thought that in macho Glasgow, Posie Parker was able to speak and exercise her democratic rights while protected by the police when in Australia and NZ there was delight at the shutting down of women’s free speech. Thank goodness we do have men in Scotland willing to support women’s rights.

We already know that misogyny exists in the Met and other police forces in England. I’m sure that happens too in Police Scotland but perhaps not to the same extent?

Ireland, too, has a deep well of misogyny which now seems to have found its place in the rabid culture of transgenderism. Women should be asking why does this misogyny exist in what are supposed to be liberal societies/

Sorry if this is a bit garbled but I was supposed to be in bed. However, I read about the disgraceful scenes in NZ and that Posie Parker had been run out of the country. Thank goodness there are men on this site and others who are on the side of women.

David. What Harvie et.al actually mean by progressive. Is identifying with their views. I call it Illiberal Liberalism.

The whole Trans debate is basically this personified. Or Cancel Culture is another term. They want free speech , but only if it aligns with their values. Which isn’t free speech at all.

For example. I think Brexit was about narrow minded little Englanders saying feck off to Europe. But that doesn’t mean I want to shut the debate down. They are entitled to have that view, even if I think it’s ill informed.

Harvie and his crew want to stand as the judges of what opinions are acceptable. If you criticise the Gender reforms. You get shut down and abused.

Kate Forbes is a nightmare for Harvie. Because she has beliefs that are poles apart from his. She doesn’t have bad beliefs, just different to his. He can’t handle that. Because he is intolerant. He is not a Liberal in any sense of the word.

James Che , yes their is Pictish DNA, there is a distinct Pictish Y chromosome Halotype.
All indigenous Europeans are descended from either the Neolithic Farmers or later “Beaker ” People.
The only peoples who were in Europe before the Neolithic Farmers were a relatively small number of Hunter Gatherers who have left little DNA record.
It is even possible to identify the people who lived in Doggerland before the North Sea Breech made the Geographical Island called Briton.
Many Scots have already 2% Doggerland DNA.
Individual Races and Clans can be Identified by Occasional mutations (changes) which occur infrequently but, when they do, they help to distinguish one line of Y-DNA from another, for example the Borders Clan Armstrong are of the Pictish Halotype, which confirms Clan Mythology that they were Lowland Picts, ie the ones in close contact with the Roman’s around 2 millennia ago.
JGedd, off course your correct you cannot trace your family history back 20,000 years using sutosomal DNA as used by the likes of Ancestry , it can take you back a few generation’s on both sides of your family. However mitochondrial DNA testing can trace the female line back into prehistory as can Y-DNA testing for Males.
If the Picts are descended from the Neolithic Farmers that could explain why they are claims they were a matrilineal society , as I said earlier, up to 90% of the Woman in Scotland and elsewhere in Britain and Ireland are descended from the Neolithic Farmers, there was a later influx of “Beaker” people who apparently replaced the Neolithic Men in what is now Britain and Ireland , did a Matrilineal society develop to keep the original bloodline pure?
It should be noted that the latest Archaeological research suggests that the Celtic Culture and Langusge developed along the Atlantic Seaboard between Iberia and Scotland and spread eastwords into Europe and the La Tenne and Halzbug were not where the zcelts Originated.
Back to mythology, the Irish Book of Invasions, the Declaration of Arbroath and the creation myth of Picts say that they left Greater Scythiana , travelled west , spent 500:years in Iberia.
Btw some Skeletons found in Rathlin island Ireland dating back several thousand years had a close y-Dna match with modern day Iberian Fishermen in the Bay of Biscay.

Wullie B, there is a woman in Brodick who hails from Crovie, might be related, married a Raeburn here.
Tinto Chiel The last person who spoke Arran Gaelic aside from. People who have learnt it from books Mrs Mcalpine died around 20 years ago, in fact there were three Arran Gaelic Dialects, The North End, the West Coast and the South End and if i remember correctly all three closer to Ukster Gaelic than Islay for example. Which is strange as i would imagine those on West Coast of Arran with connections to Argyll would be more like them.
Even today we laugh and say those on the West Coast of Arran get a nose bleed when they come over the hill to the East Coast, my friends from over that side are more likely to jump in a boat and go to Campbelltown than Brodick.

I suggest you read the article Phil, you can’t be that fast.

The remark on intelligence was en-passant, the main point was identity and the misuse of archaeology for those who would -erase- us with false narratives.

But I’ll discuss it. When they still did research on intelligence, it kept getting embarrassing results for sub-saharan africans even when every measure to remove cultural bias is made (progressive matrices etc), so they chose to just stop doing it, out of cowardice and lynch culture.

Watson’s remarks were based on this; but then he takes the more controversial position that, to paraphrase, trying to develop Africa on western models was thus, pointless. I think there is more blame there on colonialism and neo-colonialism; at least give the africans a fair chance, which they never had – the good guys get done badly, e.g. Patrice Lumumba.

People don’t realise the evil that goes on there – Africa is not meant to feed itself, for example; the world bank sets rules to prevent this – it is meant to absorb US agro surpluses. The model is perkins “economic hitman” – allow kleptocrats to load up on western loans for “development”, steal the money, then turn the country over, e.g. growing cash crops to service the debt.

Uganda has reputedly discovered gold reserves worth 12trillion USD – they also don’t like the rainbow crowd, so god help them, a “color revolution” will be on its way.

Maybe africans are dumb, but they have not had a fair shout IMO – you can’t criticise a man for being a poor swimmer when he has someone’s foot on his back.

The countries are also a mess – boundaries which don’t respect the natural nations, the tribes; africa is thus too multicultural.

The perversion of language by the wokists means words have beoome meaningless – I mean, you are “far right” if you don’t believe women can have penises. People should not worry about being called racists, by racial grifters, or middle class curtain twitchers, I don’t.

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The leader of the gang now playing victim with some made up story about being hit by a motorbike and needing space and time to heal. Classic, haha. These people are so transparent they are see through.

There are lots of things going on in the west right now, but two stand out for me.

Both are religious (I.e. faith-based) movements. Both are actively hostile to the concept that women should have equal rights. Both are growing in numbers, control and influence. Both have the almost magical ability to make their opponents shut up and look the other way, because both see violence as an acceptable means of silencing dissent.

Both continue to grow because there is an entrenched desire by ordinary, decent people to see the best in these religion’s adherents. Just be kind, none of our business what people do in their private lives, etc. Etc. Plus, because many ordinary, decent people have given up their own faith-based beliefs, they are no longer familiar with what people holding strong faith-based beliefs can achieve.

Is there a connection between these two belief-based systems? At first sight, no. But then, politics makes strange bed fellows. My enemy’s enemy is my friend and all that.

For now, they are content to work together in pursuit of their common objective – the pushing back of the rights and freedoms of women. Once that is achieved, they will diverge in their aims and be more clearly seen to be opposed to each other. But for now, softly, softly is the pragmatic, realpolitik policy.

Both faith-based belief systems have hijacked what used to be called progressive politics. Progressive used to mean better wages, benefits, services, housing, education, etc. Now it means the rearrangement of the rights-based hierarchy to ensure their rights group is on top. And women’s rights are somewhere further down the pile.

@Lenny Hartley 12.43: thanks for that info re the last speaker of Arran Gaelic. So the lady died about the millennium then?

I am probably not the first to state this but I suspect that the 600K matter is a sacrifical story to conceal much murkier goings-on.

There is something else lurking.

Possibly concerning the stitch-up of AS. AS knows how to play the game. He has a few cards up his sleeve.

Ann Gloag?

Re ARRAN GAELIC:

In the book ‘Gaelic and Scotland / Alba agus a’ Ghàidhlig’ (Edited by William Gillies, Edinburgh Univ. Press, 1989), the late great scholar John MacInnes, in his essay ‘The Gaelic perception of the Lowlands’, wrote:

“Some years ago I heard Gaelic speakers in Arran describe the entire stretch of coastland from Galloway to Ayrshire as part of the Gàidhealtachd. They knew some of the place-names of that region in their Gaelic form; it was traditional knowledge among them that the Gaelic language had been spoken there in the past; and they assumed that, just as in Arran, it had survived to the present day.” (p90)

Regarding the Lowlands more generally, MacInnes remarks:

“To sum up, the Gaelic perception of the Lowlands is in essential agreement with that of the medieval Scots writers who regard the Gaels of their time as ‘contemporary ancestors’, people who preserve the language and culture which were once shared by all. But from the Gaelic point of view, we the Gaels are the disinherited, the dispossessed.” (p99)