The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Brass tacks and brass farthings

Posted on December 09, 2011 by

Discussion of the intriguing Scottish Social Attitudes survey has been slightly undermined by the fact that the full report itself isn't publicly available. However, the estimable Lallands Peat Worrier has secured access to more of the detail, and picks through it here. Of particular note is the precise wording of some of the questions, which wasn't previously revealed. The deeper conclusion that this blog reads into his analysis is that there seems to be a subtle shift taking place – independence is slowly but measurably becoming the default case in the minds of voters, ie the state people need to be persuaded out of rather than into. (Presented with a proposition under which independence would make no difference to people's finances either way, the response is 47% in favour of independence with 32% against, which to our knowledge is the biggest straight-question margin for "Yes" ever recorded in a full-sized poll.)

As LPW pointedly notes the continued absence of the "positive case for the Union" (and in the light of the relentless continuation of increasingly impotent fearmongering in its stead), that could be a very significant development indeed in the years to come.

5 to “Brass tacks and brass farthings”

  1. TYRAN says:

    "Twitter" Harris has come up with this nonsense
    link to yfrog.com

    Reply
  2. molly says:

    me thinks this man has too much time on his hands 

    Reply
  3. DougtheDug says:

    TYRAN:
    The graphic in the picture is actually quite interesting. In a similar avoidance  tactic to Labour activist and Betternation moderator Aidan Skinner who couldn't admit to being primarily British or to Labour Leadership candidate Ken MacIntosh and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore who don't like being called Unionist Tom Harris has illustrated his pictorial call for the Union with a Saltire not a Union Jack.
    In a graphic calling for the retention Union and for the British nation he couldn't bring himself to use the Union Jack. It actually looks like an SNP graphic at first glance.
    What is it about all these unionists/British nationalists who don't like the symbols and labels of the cause they espouse?

    Reply
  4. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    Indeed. Poor old Comical Tom also didn't have much luck with his timing, asserting that "no more than 30%" of Scots back independence in a week when the SSA study showed that in fact anywhere from 43% to 65% would happily vote for "separation" as long as it wasn't going to make their lives materially worse.

    Reply
  5. Morag says:

    Even his 30% estimate was then spun to assert that 70% were against independence.  That's a big assumption, and requires including all the "don't know not sure" group with the implacable unionists.
     
    At least we've moved on from "nobody in Scotland supports independence".  Which tended to provoke me to "so I'm nobody, am I?"

    Reply


Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a (mainly) Scottish political media digest and monitor, which also offers its own commentary. (More)

    Stats: 6,754 Posts, 1,217,590 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Skip_NC on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Alba has to work with the resources it has. Yes, it would be great to stand in all 73 constituencies…May 12, 02:15
    • Geri on The Blindness Of Hatred: ““You would happily see scotland as a 3rd world poverty stricken hellhole if you get to say up yours to…May 12, 01:21
    • Geri on The Blindness Of Hatred: “If I was in charge I’d make all who voted on this to volunteer a family member first. Same with…May 12, 00:39
    • BLMac on The Blindness Of Hatred: ““You would happily see scotland as a 3rd world poverty stricken hellhole if you get to say up yours to…May 12, 00:10
    • Geoff Bush on The Blindness Of Hatred: “look – its simple – James is now a member of the SNP – if he didn’t say stuff supportive…May 11, 23:02
    • Marie on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Oh absolutely. The nation state can’t possibly be burdened with the mentally ill as well as the physically ill. THAT…May 11, 22:21
    • Scot Finlayson on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Voting at Holyrood on the assisted killing bill on Tuesday, the bill is being forced through by LibDem MSP Liam…May 11, 22:04
    • Michael Laing on The Blindness Of Hatred: “@ David Holden: Yoon’s Cum seems pretty appropriate to me. Doing a LOL!May 11, 21:37
    • sarah on The Blindness Of Hatred: “It is very worrying that so many people don’t understand the Holyrood voting system. Even more worrying, that the SNP…May 11, 21:05
    • Scot Finlayson on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Lord Palmerston once said: “Only three people have ever really understood the D’Hondt method list vote system – the Prince…May 11, 20:59
    • Rev. Stuart Campbell on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Oh for fuck’s SAKE. Yes, they’ll get no seats if nobody votes for them. The point is that if you…May 11, 20:57
    • Craig on Some People Try To Fuck With You: “Get the Civil Restraint Order fired in now mate, never mind the lunacy of the guy, he is clearly a…May 11, 20:43
    • 100%Yes on The Blindness Of Hatred: “It would appear James Kelly is a frequent visitor here.May 11, 20:10
    • Aidan on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Yup Yoonscum this is getting silly nowMay 11, 20:03
    • diabloandco on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Tar would be pretty good.May 11, 19:56
    • David Holden on The Blindness Of Hatred: “As Yoon’s cum seems to be going for a period on the naughty step I wonder what cunning new name…May 11, 19:54
    • Rev. Stuart Campbell on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Okay, enough. You were warned.May 11, 19:35
    • Rev. Stuart Campbell on The Blindness Of Hatred: “A 10-to-1 numerical outnumbering might conceivably help.May 11, 19:35
    • Yoon Scum on The Blindness Of Hatred: “If us English are so pathetic, useless and snivelling cowardly pieces of subhuman shit How do we have our boot…May 11, 19:20
    • Yoon Scum on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Reasons to vote for the Scottish Greens 1 :- You hate Scotland and want to see the entire country destroyed…May 11, 19:18
    • Geri on The Blindness Of Hatred: “No. At a guess I’d think their number one priority would be if they’re facing conscription or not cause the…May 11, 18:56
    • Del G on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Alba are polling under 2% right now. Chance of winning list seats is approximately nil.May 11, 18:33
    • Del G on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Who do you suggest all those redux SNP voters choose instead? Better an XXX-good message rather than simply SNP-bad. I’d…May 11, 18:31
    • Yoon Scum on The Blindness Of Hatred: ““Alternatively, you could vote for Reform and ensure the eventual absorption of Scotland into a Greater England. Which, of course,…May 11, 18:25
    • Yoon Scum on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Will britnats be returned to england after indy?May 11, 18:16
    • Ian McCubbin on The Blindness Of Hatred: “So only conclusion for a chance if independence majority is both Alba on vote 2 the list.May 11, 17:59
    • Lorn on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Yoon: there are no soft NO voters. Well, there may be up till the moment they have to vote. Oh,…May 11, 17:36
    • Owen Mullions on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Cheap tat,bloody autocorrect.May 11, 17:25
    • Owen Mullions on The Blindness Of Hatred: “He’s devoted another lengthy blog to whining about Stu. The sooner Eurovision starts and he can lose himself in cheap…May 11, 17:25
    • diabloandco on The Blindness Of Hatred: “Rev, could you just deport him/her/it anyway – pretty please!May 11, 16:52
  • A tall tale



↑ Top