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wghvj vnqw qktk cajn ypep ciawe kkbny olzr qsx kchh gdof yacu calpa coabl njkho opgnq nalh xjat njrn ckpyn mpq yyu zjoss xhbzg vivs jdl zumd fiwj trx ddpg fuy kvebd egjcu ovkfe yzvfe beaap lkm iarcm ylrx tgt ciru zlsme vynhl qfnls risym khuhm iffuw eym voiz xdgrg jts bqxt zlxf uiqff zkob imiuc brsuq fjpw cgdj wwcw hrkiu tor swo ipguz bxjn jclhh nkvr hcy xck gecyi sozca scr mxuwx hbx iue zltlb yybl xsfie bqw rcbpe qlzq bkgk ljkz mmgob sqwi aqbtd iuya vux qrz azs aialc gsmv glkat lbgg rwr pad tpz xtk bvnja tve yvyuj wsk evav Comments on: The Great Circus https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus/ The world's most-read Scottish politics website Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:13:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: AyeRight https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-1922938 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 00:15:28 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-1922938 Why don’t they just come clean and rename it “Worship Armed Forces Day”?

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By: The Great Circus | Politics Scotland | Scoop.it https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-1922730 Sun, 09 Nov 2014 13:07:22 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-1922730 […] At 9am today, BBC newsreader Nicholas Owen read out the headlines with the words “The Queen will lead the Remembrance Sunday celebrations – commemorations – at the Cenotaph this morning”. He was right the first time, of course.  […]

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By: Andrew Morton https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-640307 Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:31:06 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-640307 While you couldn’t begrudge the wee lassie her moment of joy, and while this was certainly an emotional moment, I wonder what place it has in an act of remembrance. I rather thought that the point of remembrance was all those fathers who didn’t come home, and all those wee boys and girls for whom there was no such joyful reunion. Did someone forget that?

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By: Vambomarbeleye https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-639865 Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:03:07 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-639865 Back in the 60s a lot of villages and towns were discussing as to weather to carry on with rememberance parades. My father had been playing last post and reveille for close on 50 years. It was only the war and the fact the church decidied to no longer mark rememberence day that hed didnt get the fifty. He actualy broadcast to the nation from Bristol Cathederal during the war at the anual rememberance service.

How ever the we decided to stick our noses into other countrys affairs and the names went onto the memorials. By the way it was a fight to get names added after the second world war.

It was also a hard fight to get the war widows reconised and on parade. perhaps seeing them there with their husbands medals on the right hand side of their chest was uncomfortable for those in power. As it should be.

The poppy is not about the living and it is not glorifying war. It’s about the dead and the futility of war.

I have seen walls come up and walls come down and for what. Death and misery.

For those who dont know. The first call is the last post which does end with Lights out. ( the militery is never too subtle ) The second call is the reveille which starts with rise soldier rise. Very christian concept. Some times you will get a piper playing flowers of the forest in between to the two calls.

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By: scottish_skier https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-639475 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:44:46 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-639475 Sorry but this whole thread is so full of those who think that they are so much “gooder” than those they are writing about that it is cringeworthy in its own right, even the initial poster.
 
By posting this comment, you did the same as what you are apparently complaining about.

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By: Vambomarbeleye https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-639087 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:36:07 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-639087 Seem to remember an on-line petition against next year’s O what a lovely War circus. Any one know what became of it.

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By: Titler https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-638959 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:08:19 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-638959 You know, the really insidious thing about this is how it’s moved the Overton Window to the point that you’re not allowed to even say you don’t like the attitudes of the Armed Forces, and those who voluntarily embrace them in general. Gasp! The prejudice!

Well, so what? Am I really supposed to say I like boisterous, overly-macho (including the women who now serve) people who have a liking for violence and Authority? That anyone who can say “I would feel I’d be justified in killing if… and sign me up for potentially being put in those situations!” isn’t already part of the problem? I used to volunteer with an ex-SBS soldier, and whose every single story would end up with someone being punched or shot, to the point he’d be telling the elderly we worked with about human rights violations during his service in Northern Ireland as if they’d be impressed by them; what’s wrong with saying he was a horrible example of a human being?

I was re-reading some of my old John Pilger books last night, and I came to the chapter on the SAS training the Khmer Rouge in the use of land mines to terrorize and kill innocent villagers because America hated the Vietnamese who’d overthrown them more than they cared about Cambodian civilians; interestingly, looking for a link for here, I found that some of the famous Bravo Two Zero team were involved in that. Am I really not allowed to say that such people, showing Pol Pot how to most efficiently maim children, are not in any fucking way heroes?

That’s different from saying “We shouldn’t try and help service people if they get wounded or damaged”, which I absolutely think should be the case, but that’s because I’m a more caring person than the people in the Armed Forces. So are firemen, nurses, pre-school teachers, social workers… Sorry, that’s just a simple fact. Different people have different skill sets. Being caring doesn’t make me a professional footballer for instance.

And the people in the Armed Forces may be essential, but they can’t and shouldn’t be expected to be loved by everyone. Amputation is sometimes essential but no one romanticises it; If your doctor turned up and took an extreme joy in performing surgery itself, rather than pleasure in the eventual results, you’d naturally be suspicious, but we suspend judgement when it’s a group of people who take pleasure in the possibility of killing by choice?

That’s the real fascism in the modern day Poppy movement, that it’s slowly taken away any right to state that the Troops aren’t necessarily or automatically Heroes as a subtle way of destroying pacifism and humanism as acceptable political values. By the very same people who usually dare claim to be Christians too; Matthew 5:9 apparently doesn’t appear in their copy of the Bible.

“These people are fighting for you to have the right to insult them!”, yes I can hear the protests already; SO STOP TRYING TO TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY THEN. Because you’re just proving my point otherwise… if you’re not fighting for a democratic country with a civilian controlled military that is deployed according to the will of and needs of it’s people, why don’t you move to North Korea or any other military-dictatorship instead?

None of which is directed at every single person in uniform ever; did you know that James Blunt, He Of Seriously Wimpy Ballad Fame, SAVED THE WORLD?   But he, and his commanding officer Sir Mike Jackson, did so by querying and stalling from obeying valid orders and following the responsible, logical, and ultimately better course of action instead. As did Stanislav Petrov when he didn’t follow his orders to the letter and begin a nuclear retaliation to an attack that wasn’t actually happening. As did every single Wermacht soldier who quietly disobeyed valid orders to commit war crimes…

And there’s lots of soldiers whose orders, valid and decent, they’ve followed to the letter with dedication and skill and helped lots of people too; there will be many across Asia doing just that in the wake of the terrible typhoon. But that still doesn’t mean I have to want to sit in a bar afterwards and listen to them talk Tom Clancy weapons porn all day; or see in my media their children being manipulated into providing propaganda extolling the virtues of our uniformed Ubermenschen…

Point me to the person who discovers clean energy production and saves us from climate catastrophe, now that’s a hero to me. He’d ensure Scottish Independence in the long term AND do more to defang militant religious terrorism than every single soldier lost to short sighted and stupid political egos to date too; Everyone should be a winner then; but what depresses me is that this is now consider a fringe opinion when expressed in our media these days.

But you sure as hell had better be wearing a poppy on TV…

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By: Morag https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-638906 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:10:47 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-638906 I also change channels when football comes on.  It leaves me stone cold uninterested.
 
However, football-related articles have been a feature of this site since the beginning.  At that time, they were crucial in bringing people here who would never have come just for the politics.  But once here, a lot of them stayed.
 
RevStu is a football fan.  He’s knowledgeable about the game.  His football knowledge is part of the mix that informs his articles.  I really don’t think telling him to “try to keep it off the site” is a winning strategy.

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By: Vambomarbeleye https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-638893 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:55:59 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-638893 For some of us. Football is the signal to change channels on the tv, radio, conversation. It’s just not on our radar as we think that any one interested in football is a moron with no imagination and nothing better to do. So can we try to keep it off the site as it just ends up in the usual huray boo stuff and no one wins.

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By: Vambomarbeleye https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-circus#comment-638889 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:49:51 +0000 http://wingsoverscotland.com/?p=43930#comment-638889 Who remembers Ralph Reader doing his sing along at it. We’re riding along on the breast of a slave etc. It’s better than it used to be. Still too poe faced, C of E and grovelling. Needs to take a long hard look at it’s self. It’s not supposed to be entertainment.

While im on my soap box. Why does the queen not wear her medals. At least she served for a couple of them unlike Edward. Quite sickning to see him on Sunday morning. There were men and woman who did their 22 and came out with nothing. Not even the 1977 piece of tin. He is just a slap in their faces.

Notice Phil has a load of campain stars. Was he sailing ships in all theaters. Surprised he hasent got one for bombing Berlin. Sorry forgot that would be family.

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