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The Scottish media has been operating at what former BBC journalist Paul Mason once called “full propaganda strength” for the last few weeks, trying to inflate some pretty standard seasonal fluctuations into a “WINTER NHS CRISIS”.

One of the more egregious examples came yesterday when the state broadcaster’s Scotland editor Sarah Smith announced to the nation that 100,000 patients had waited more than four hours at A&E departments last week – a pretty impressive feat since in reality only a quarter of that number actually visited A&Es in Scotland last week, and four-fifths of those were seen in under four hours.

The 100,000 figure in fact refers to an entire year, not a week. Depending on how you look at it, Smith misrepresented the reality by either 2,000% or 5,200%. Yet at the time of writing we’re not aware of the BBC having issued any correction or apology for this, well, let’s be generous and say “error”.

The stats record the time taken for patients presenting at A&E to be dealt with (that doesn’t just mean “seen”, but seen, assessed, and then either treated, admitted or sent home). For the whole of 2017 the figures for Scotland were:

Patients dealt with in four hours or less: 93.1%
In eight hours or less: 99.2%
In 12 hours or less: 99.9%

Which doesn’t sound like too much of a crisis.

Alert observers will of course be aware that this is all entry-level basic operating mode for the media. Even if they weren’t trying to whip up politically-motivated “SNP BAD” material – and most of them are – it’s a deep journalistic instinct to exaggerate and hyperbolise everything into the worst news possible in order to drive traffic and clicks.

But does it work?

In our latest Panelbase poll we asked our representative sample of Scottish voters how they felt the four main devolved areas of government were doing compared to the rest of the UK. And in essence, the quintessentially Scottish answer was “No’ too bad”.

Respondents broadly felt that services were pretty much the same on both sides of the border. But in news which will ASTONISH complete idiots, people’s opinions were significantly coloured by their political affiliations.

On a scale where 1 means “much worse in Scotland than the rest of the UK”, 5 means “much better in Scotland” and 3 means “about the same”, the average scores were:

Education: 3.1 (ie fractionally better than the rest of the UK)
Policing: 3.0 (exactly the same)
Health: 3.3 (slightly better)
Transport: 2.9 (fractionally worse)

But when you drill down into the politics things shift somewhat.

CONSERVATIVE VOTERS

Tories think everything in Scotland is a little bit worse.

Education: 2.4
Policing: 2.4
Health: 2.8
Transport: 2.5

LABOUR VOTERS

Labour voters think everything’s pretty much the same.

Education: 3.1
Policing: 2.9
Health: 3.0
Transport: 2.8

LIB DEM VOTERS

Lib Dems reckon it’s all about the same, except health is noticeably better.

Education: 2.9
Policing: 2.9
Health: 3.5
Transport: 3.0

SNP VOTERS

While SNP voters think everything in Scotland is a fair bit better.

Education: 3.7
Policing: 3.5
Health: 3.8
Transport: 3.3

By independence affiliation, the results are arguably a touch counter-intuitive.

YES VOTERS

Supporters of independence already think Scotland does everything a little better, but presumably think it could improve even more if it wasn’t having to constantly battle Tory austerity and Westminster cuts.

Education: 3.6
Policing: 3.3
Health: 3.6
Transport: 3.3

NO VOTERS

Whereas No voters feel that under the current arrangements almost everything is slightly worse in Scotland than in the rest of the UK, yet for some reason want to retain that status quo.

Education: 2.7
Policing: 2.7
Health: 3.0
Transport: 2.7

So those are the bare stats. But we started this article talking about the NHS, and the most striking thing about the figures is that despite a decade-long media campaign of absolutely relentless negativity, scaremongering and even outright lying, the Scottish public still overwhelmingly thinks its health service is the best in the UK.

With the sole exception of Tory voters, every group in the poll thought NHS Scotland was performing better than the rest of the country. (And even Tories ranked Health as significantly better than the other three areas of devolved responsibility.)

Of course, we can’t say that public opinion of NHS Scotland wouldn’t be even higher without the constant onslaught from the press and opposition parties, much of which (as we’ve discovered over the years) is highly misleading in nature. But that onslaught hasn’t turned voters against their doctors and nurses and surgeons and midwives, or the Scottish Government’s management of them.

By and large, Scots feel that they do at least as good a job, or a better job, of things they handle for themselves as things which are run by Westminster. Contrary to what they’re constantly told by Unionist parties and newspapers, they don’t think they’re too wee, too poor or too stupid to run the services that are the lifeblood of a nation.

It’s interesting to speculate as to when the other shoe will drop.

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    1. Sinky says:

      I am sure BBC national six and nine o’clock news will correct this false impression later to-day. Aye right.

    2. Graham says:

      Its almost as if they’re churning out Labour Party press releases…..

    3. Neil Anderson says:

      Stu, you ARE being far too gracious to John Smith’s wayward daughter. She clearly states;

      “LAST WEEK, over 100,000 patients waited more than 4 hours to be seen..”

      I’d call that a lie.

    4. Lenny Hartley says:

      the Art of Decpection, gotta say they are pretty good at it, if you had not been educated by WOS , it would be easy to be duped into thinking the SNHS was being failed,

    5. Never mind, I’m sure the next SNP representative to get in front of a live microphone will put them right.

    6. crisiscult says:

      Glad you’ve posted on this topic Rev. I’d like to see more on it too. For example, on a casual analysis of BBC website stories, there are

      a) far more NHS bad stories in Scotland than in England/UK, and

      b) the vast majority of the NHS stories in Scotland refer to (and suggest blame on) the SNP/Scot Gov while the England/UK stories usually do not refer to the Tories/UK Gov but rather blame often resides with the NHS itself.

    7. Proud Cybernat says:

      Time for a new strategy, Donalda. Yer state propaganda just isn’t working and your barely holding back the tide.

    8. Greannach says:

      Conservatives are an odd lot. I remember years ago reading an article in an American journal of psychology about the general mindset of conservative as opposed to liberal or unaffiliated voters in the USA. Conservative voters were pessimistic, negative and more prone to depression and unhappiness than the others.

      That article was written in the 1980s, so maybe things have changed, but it would be interesting to see if Conservatives in the UK are as negative as in Scotland.

    9. Albaman says:

      Stew,
      Have a look please at (sir) John Curtis latest finding, it’s not exactly what it appears to be, to me anyway.

    10. Peter C says:

      “… it’s a deep-rooted journalistic instinct to exaggerate and hyperbolise everything into the worst news possible in order to drive traffic and clicks.
      But does it work?”

      Not in the long-run. I used to be an avid reader of the Guardian but, in part, because of its increasing propensity to do this I read less and less of it. I used to spend hours reading and commenting at the Guardian, now I’m done with it in about a fifteen minutes. What the practice has succeeded in doing is drive me to other sources of news which gives a different account of what is going on. To that extent the practice yields positive benefits.

      The “traditional” newspapers are constantly shooting themselves in the foot with this practice – it’s no wonder they are dying. Less and less investigative journalism. More and more “opinion” pieces trying to pose as journalism. Stinks.

    11. Proud Cybernat says:

      “your” should be “you’re”.

    12. Doug Bryce says:

      Here is how devolution works….

      1) Tories cut Westminster budget
      2) Scotland gets less spending via block grant
      3) Unionist parties attack SNP for spending less on education / health.

      The best people to run Scotland are the Scots themselves.

      The core Labour and Conservative argument is that we are too stupid to manage our own affairs. The real irony comes when they complain about modest tax changes to compensate for their own Westminster spending cuts!

    13. Bob Mack says:

      I don’t think it is the best in the UK. I know it is

      These attacks on everything Scotland does with public services are deliberate and most definitely coordinated. The question is ,who is doing the coordination and from where.

      It is no coincidence that Unionist politicians and media all launch attacks at the same time.

      You can accuse me of being a member of the tinfoil hat brigade, but I firmly believe a role is being played by the State security services.

      My good lady works with the NHS on behalf of the Scottish government. She marvels at the work the staff put in every single day to keep us safe.

      The enemies of Scotland are all the arms of the British establishment. Unionist politicians who openly admit they would rather see Scotland suffer than leave the Union. Media who constantly pour forth bilge as news. Unions who complain about everything on behalf of Labour masters.

      Yesterday I challenged a union rep (former colleague) who had been complaining about an issue in the local health service. I showed him evidence that what he was saying was nonsense.

      He informed me that his subjective opinion was formed after talking to the workers involved. Amazingly enough after talking to three colleagues involved in the area in question, it transpired that the Union rep had not been near the area at all. Why would he therfore say such a thing?

      It is part of an orchestrated plan is why

    14. Muscleguy says:

      As someone who has experienced the NHS in both countries I agree. The Scottish system is much better set up. The GPs seem to have a more public service ethos than some in England. The hospitals work pretty well too as do various outpatient facilities in the community. The last time I had an ECG for eg it happened in the GP surgery. Most convenient. We have a pitch up when you want outpatient X-ray service in a fairly centrally located hospital with good, free, parking on several bus routes. There is an orthopaedic triage service run by physios too. If they can fix you without referring you on they will. Taking stress off the orthopaedists in the hospital.

      In London seeing a GP had become a nightmare as we left. I had to wait more than 6months in pain to see anyone at the Royal National Orthopaedic hospital. Meanwhile my boss pulled some strings and had me jump the queue to see rheumatology in the Hammersmith. I pitched up at the delivery bay to be met by an intern. It was useful, they ruled out any rheumatoid condition or general bone degeneration condition which sped things up when I saw the orthopaedists. I shudder to think how long it would have taken without that help.

      The other hand was done suddenly, I was rung on the Friday, they had a cancellation, could I come in on Monday? Lucky again. I was facing the prospect of having to move my family from London to Dundee with only one functioning hand.

    15. heedtracker says:

      Most tory votes go private anyway, almost instantly they can afford it too. We know this, because going private is just another status symbol for the wealth off, like say youre average 200 grand a year beeb Scotland ligger.

      And what’s the use of going private, if you cant tell everyone you’re going private.

      Certainly if you’re from Aberdeen, you’ve been bathed your whole life in the warm glow of oil types, who just love their BOOPA:D

    16. Glamaig says:

      ‘waiting more than 4 hours to be seen’ is highly misleading, and seems to be repeated everywhere.

      The 4 hours surely includes time spent being treated, then being cared for until transferred to a ward (or discharged).

    17. CmonIndy says:

      Look, I’m getting fed up saying this: do not pay a license fee for propaganda against your own country. Just stop doing it.

    18. orri says:

      The explanation might be one of self preservation.

      Having failed to cut us off from news from the rUK with the Trojan Horse of a Scottish Six we’re well aware of how the NHS is being wrecked by the Torys.

      We’re also aware of the ongoing attempts to reverse devolution or, failing that, remove powers from Holyrood/SNP.

      The ongoing ideological commitment to Brexit at all costs harks back to Monetarism at all costs.

      As far as the NHS goes we’ve had years of undermining going on in the rUK which will have consequences on Scotland.

      The current relatively healthy state of Scotland’s NHS is in comparison to the rUK and as long as we’re in the UK there’s a danger that Westminster or unionist parties will gain control of it.

      Not forgetting that Brexit is already having a negative impact on it and other businesses in the UK that rely on EU workers.

    19. jfngw says:

      Even with basic maths it is clear the Scotland Correspondent is either lying or extremely stupid. 100,000 for one week would be 5.2 million for the year, almost everybody in Scotland has spent more than 4 hours in A & E in 2017 by the BBC’s reckoning.

      Are they still trying to expose fake news, not really as the example they took to schools to demonstrate fake news was in part itself fake, actually government propaganda.

    20. Street Andrew says:

      The disconnect between what the media reports of attitudes to the NHS and what patients say about the care they and their families have been given has gone on for many many years.

      It is one thing for the media to criticise failures in service provision (that is in part their role – to call power to account) but this constant barrage of anti NHS propaganda serves us very badly.

      It speaks volumes I think that there has been no great outcry about the 100,000 waiting figure, because we don’t believe figures trotted out like this and why should we since they are rarely if ever put into any context. 74.3% of statistics are plucked from thin air.

      Scotland wants to keep the NHS safe from the privatisers and for the most part even Conservatives support the principles of the NHS. It is a vanishingly small number of people who would benefit from the destruction of the NHS. And they would probably, if they succeeded, go abroad for their own health needs.

      There are words to describe these people and none of them are polite.

    21. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Where does BBC Scotland put ‘corrections and apologies’?

      Where are they?

    22. Macart says:

      Great post Rev.

      I popped this on previous thread, but this one seems more appropriate.

      Y’know, it strikes me that there is an inherent flaw in the current avalanche of Essenpee badness coming from the usual suspects. As Ian B above notes, it’s not even good quality fertilizer. It’s basically hastily cobbled together shite at this point.

      I suspect Decembers revelations on the SiU, These Islands, the laughable Unity thingy followed the Christmas box farago really hurt. Conspiracy theory turned confirmed conspiracy fact. Grassroots exposed as entitled astroturf, raving loons and the bottom end naked thuggery. Yer meeja exposed as at best, lazy and stupid. At worst, self interested, overly invested, willing accomplices to the undermining of democratic will and free choice.

      The capper after all their efforts of recent years? Scotref is not off the table. Mr Corbyn declares that Brexit means Brexit. May cabinet collapses. Eu publicly slaps down Mr Davis’ letter and both declared positions of Tory and Labour. The Holyrood constitution committee throws the UKs Brexit deal oot the windae and there is a constitutional crisis looming. Cue panicked avalanche of made up poo.

      Now here’s the thing, and it’s a danger for everyone. The boy who cried wolf springs to mind. The idiotic, half arsed, metrocentric fuckwittery of their strategy makes valuable public information assets both pointless and useless. For the life of me, I now can’t believe a word the media utters and double that attitude when it comes to the statements of establishment parties and their support.

      Their strategy has become so transparent at this point. Their attempts at deception uncovered and/or debunked so regularly. The sheer volume of their assaults from all available assets so unrelenting over such a long period, they’ve totally devalued those assets and undermined their own credibility.

      The SNP could literally be the demon spawn of Hell yer raving yoon zoomer claims them to be at this point. They could be sacrificing Killie pies and kittens on dark alters beneath Holyrood in exchange for budget deals and few (other than aforementioned zoomers) would or could believe it at this point.

      Just sayin’ like, but they really have gone too far.

    23. bobajock says:

      Cringe.

      Is there any way I can rage more at the BBC?

    24. harry mcaye says:

      Mr Broken Foot, aka Allen Browne, from yesterday’s BBC Scotland feature is on facebook (Ally Browne, Edinburgh) and if you scroll down a bit you’ll find a cartoon depicting Nicola Sturgeon as a jobby (Nicola Turdgeon, ho ho!) and among his photos, as well as confirmation that it is the same guy, you’ll find “Still Naw” and the union flag. How the BBC tracked him down is one of life’s mysteries…

    25. Proud Cybernat says:

      Unionist politicians who openly admit they would rather see Scotland suffer than leave the Union.

      Scotland suffers already IN the Union; fleeced of our wealth ever since we helped create the Union in 1707. The Union isn’t working. The Union holds Scotland back. Deliberately. It is a spiteful Union that is happy to practice a scorched earth policy against Scotland and its people to keep it subjugated. People need to see that truth.

      “But the UK is great for me and my family.”

      Really? Well try looking beyond your front door, pal. Try looking beyond your own selfishness. There are people really suffering here in Scotland as a result of Labour backed Tory austerity. And those Tories only govern Scotland BECAUSE of the Union.

      As for the SNHS. Remember when the railways were once publicly owned and were regarded as inefficient and ‘losing’ millions of pounds per week, so much so that it was quickly regarded by the Tories that the best thing to do to modernise and make them more efficient was to sell it off to their pals in the City.

      Well that is exactly what they are attempting to do with the SNHS. Make it appear inefficient and then propose that the best way of making it more efficient is to privatise it.

      Over my dead body you Tory bastards.

    26. Liz Rannoch says:

      Sorry, posted this on previous thread.

      Firstly, a very happy and very belated New Year to everybody on here.
      I didn’t see the Sarah Smith report but I think I may have found the source of the 100,000 figure. From the EBC no less! On their piece about the absolute state of SNHS, the very last sentence.

      “The situation elsewhere in the UK

      Last month, BBC analysis of NHS data showed that fewer patients in Scotland were waiting longer than four hours in A&E than they did in 2012/3 in contrast to England where the number had more than doubled.

      It found England had a 155% rise in long waits between 2012/3 and this year, up to 2.5 million a year.

      Hospitals in Wales and Northern Ireland also saw an increase over the period.

      In Scotland, the number of patients waiting more than four hours fell by 9% to just over 100,000.”

      So the 100,000 is actually a 9% FALL to this figure AND it’s since 2012/13!!

      Sarah Smith – Misreporting Scotland!

      I don’t ‘watch’ the news as such, but can’t help catching some of it. When May was re-shuffling, I think I heard somebody (toodleoothenoo?) saying that even although she was ‘busy’ she still managed to say that there would be NO referendum for Scotland.
      Does anybody know any more on this?

    27. Shug says:

      Aye there is chaos on the streets of Glasgow tonight – – AGAIN
      according to Donalda at the BBC misreporting centre
      What if you had to wait a few hours, it means you are not as ill as the heart attack victim that went straight in

    28. GrahamB says:

      Found this from a link tucked away at the bottom of a BBC story.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/help-41670342
      I know laughter is supposed to be good for you but I recommend reading it in small chunks so as not to risk doing yourself some damage.

    29. Dr Jim says:

      I say you chaps Scotland under us Unionists is pretty damn shit and we’ll make Bally sure it stays that way because that’s how good old Blighty works pip pip don’t you know

      Can’t have any of these dashed seperaty types making the Jockys feel better about themselves that would never do

      Chin chin and toodle pip, it’s Pimms o’clock

      I don’t know how England is covering up the lack of educational standards in that country but there are huge areas now with youngsters who never go to school at all and can’t speak the language of the country they were born in because they’ve invented a whole new idiom of Afro Caribbean English Patois, and that’s all demographics, White Black Asian, speaking this indecipherable stuff and what’s worse they can’t read at all, but it’s all covered up

      Our kids in Scotland are positive geniuses by comparison

    30. Sinky says:

      Astonishingly there are 1.5 million attendees at A & E each year in Scotland and NHS staff are fed up with the politicisation of the NHS.

      Lets see the banner headlines in Scottish press and BBC / STV news of the poorer English NHS figures being announced to-morrow.

      Now going to watch FMQs as two SNP questions.

    31. Ian says:

      Just more outright lies with no context, the very definition of propaganda.

      Try this instead –

      http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2015/10/nhs-spending-squeezed-never

      ‘the ten years up to 2020/21 are likely to see the largest sustained fall in NHS spending as a share of GDP in any period since 1951.’

    32. Ken500 says:

      Sarah Smith should get the sack. Overpaid liar. She is a disgrace. She is lying all the time. Along with most of the MSM and the unionists politicians. They can’t count read a balance sheet. Or do a minor bit of research. Colin McKay etc are the same. They should be sacked for poor performance. The tell a lie and and regurgitate the lie. Claiming it is fact. Until the original lie is forgotten. Getting the facts wrong and misinformation. They are just absolutely, awful dreadful. The public should not have to put up with that. Poor performance and service.

    33. galamcennalath says:

      Excellent analysis from interesting data, Stu.

      Perhaps the simplest conclusion is that Tory voters are ‘in tune’ with the BBC/MSM propaganda.

      Whether it is the propaganda which makes them believe what they do, or whether the propaganda just reflects their beliefs, is difficult to tell. The two feed each other.

      I suppose they believe things are worse in Scotland because the don’t believe in devolution and certainly don’t see the SNP as competent. They believe UK / British / Anglicised / London is best, Scotland / Scottish is by their definition second rate and can never be better.

      Some Tories break the mold. Could these be the ones who are content to wallow in the better services here, but remain BritNats. They know things are better, but are still ideologically tied to their ‘Britishness’. They probably believe things are better here only because of Barnet!

    34. Capella says:

      Has there been a complaint to OFCOM about Sarah Smith’s deliberate misrepresentation of the facts?
      Although it’s good that trust in our public services has survived the daily onslaught of lies from the media, it must be very disheartening to the staff who work in these services.

      The BBC is a failed state broadcaster. I ignore it almost completely now. But I watched the clip above, deeply insulting though it is, because it is important to be able to pass on to others how the misinformation is spread.

    35. Ken500 says:

      The Tories have cut the NHS £4Billion a year from 2015 to 2020. £20Billion. They have put in £2Billion. They should have increase the NHS funding for the elderly and inflation. They have cut the NHS funding, They should a put a tax on ‘loss lending’ alcohol years ago. Plus a higher tax on fags.

      May is an imbecile. Her and her colleagues. Milking the public purse like there is no tomorrow and trying to destroy the world economy. Just appalling.

    36. Sinky says:

      Capella

      Ofcom won’t consider any complaint unless you are not satisfied with the BBC’s response to your original complaint.

      Online: Make a complaint.
      Phone: 03700 100 222* or 03700 100 212* (textphone) *24 hours, charged as 01/02 geographic numbers.
      Post: BBC Complaints, PO Box 1922, Darlington, DL3 0UR.

    37. galamcennalath says:

      Glamaig says:

      ‘waiting more than 4 hours to be seen’ is highly misleading, and seems to be repeated everywhere.

      I agree there’s something amiss here. It is being abused to give the impression that folks can sit ignored for over four hours.

      My understanding is they are registered and triaged but the ‘to be seen’ refers to medical attention and decisions. Clearly, the triage process means those most in need are dealt with first so those who do wait >4hours are the least needy.

      Of course they could introduce a ticket system and deal with everyone in order. Then very few would wait four hours. And more people would die! Is this what they want!?

      Perhaps someone involved directly in A&E can clarify all this. The ‘be seen’ element is being used to generate propaganda.

    38. Sinky says:

      Sorry omitted link for Online complaints about BBC coverage to:

      https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=244924532

    39. Scott says:

      Proud Cybernat says:

      10 January, 2018 at 11:29 am

      Time for a new strategy, Donalda. Yer state propaganda just isn’t working and your barely holding back the tide.

      donalda [dot] mackinnon [at] bbc [dot] co [dot] uk

      Having emailed this person about trust I got a reply from a some minor person that he did not agree that BBC Scotland were biased in anyway.

    40. Ken500 says:

      Wales is underfunded £Billion+

      May getting her knickers in a twist. Most the Westminster Unionists appear to be under the influence of drink of drugs. May is lying for her life. Appalling. Even more in debt. The economy tanking. Brexit tanking. High risk right enough.

      The welfare witch is on the bench. She should be in the dock. Along with the rest of them.

    41. TheItalianJob says:

      Sarah Smith is a disgrace to her heritage and has no honesty in her bones when it comes to Scotland or reporting on Scottish issues.

      I mute or turn her off if either on radio or TV.

      Not worth listening to someone who takes the media news on Scotland and lies openly.

      Disgusting person.

    42. HandandShrimp says:

      I read the article on Cutice’s latest and was amazed to find that 60% think EU powers should be devolved to Holyrood and the remaining 40% think they should be split between Westminster or a bit of both and a UK Government spokesperson says that this shows people support their position. 60% is a minority in modern mathematics obviously.

    43. heedtracker says:

      There was a good thing on beeb r4 yesterday about the NHS in Glesga. Its not THAT shite, like what beeb gimp attack propaganda unit down the hall are lying their little wee tory beeb arses about,

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09l06vv

      As per, beeb gimpery, England, England, England, England, England..

      but then,

      “One of Europe’s largest robotic pharmacies is housed in Glasgow and this super high-tech hub has replaced fourteen separate pharmacy stores. It handles almost a hundred thousand packs of medicines a week and Inside Health’s Dr Margaret McCartney, herself a GP in the city, reports on how this automation has transformed pharmacy services in Greater Glasgow and Clyde.”

      It wasn’t future Lady Sarah Smith OBE:D

    44. Jack Murphy says:

      OT a bit.
      The Times in England newspaper is running the headline:
      ……………”Top hospital cuts cancer care…………….
      ………………due to lack of staff”………………….

    45. Capella says:

      @ Sinky – thanks for the links to BBC complaints. Futile though it is, I will send a complaint about Sarah Smith. After being fobbed off I will then complain to OFCOM.

      Pointless though it is, I feel very angry about the liefest the BBC has indulged in lately. The Daily Mail is bad enough. Everyone knows they are mendacious. But older people still trust the BBC. I will do whatever I can to undermine that rifalse sense of security.

    46. Ken500 says:

      May lies about the non existent 2Billion funding to Scotland.

      Another Scottish Tory liar. Scotland loses £20Billion a year to Westminster total mismanagement.

      The Tories are cutting NHS funding £4Billion a year. From 2015 to 2020, £20Million. They have put in £2Billion, The funding should have been increased for the elderly and inflation. Cameron/Osbourne. Elected to protect the NHS made the impossible mess.

      The Brexit is a disaster. Totally and utterly. Especially for Scotland.

      More planted questions. Losers. How long before they are gone?

    47. Bob Mack says:

      Can anyone point me to the great furore created when Unionist run Councils made hundreds of classroom assistants defunct thus creating more work for teachers? I refer primarily fro the teachers unions.

      I bet you can’t.

    48. galamcennalath says:

      Greannach says:

      the general mindset of conservative …. voters were pessimistic, negative and more prone to depression and unhappiness than the others.

      I tend to think this is true. They are the ones going about with a scowl on their face.

      I have a theory. If you attract a stranger’s attention (it might only be to say excuse me so as to pass), the person turns to you with a frown then they are a Tory. Smiling is reserved for sarcasm.

      Some Tories are motivated by greed. They are well off and believe the Tory party is the one most likely to kept their wealth. Other Tories are über British nationalists and see the Tory party as the patriotic choice. That said, conservatism definitely attracts the ‘glass half empty’ moaning grumpy types IMHO !

    49. Robert Louis says:

      It’s simple really, BBC in Scotland = paid liars. They do Scotland down at every turn. They are filth.

      Too much proof, too much clear absolute factual evidence of this over recent years. It is not ‘accidental’, or ‘mistaken omissions’, or ‘bad management’. It is full blown London controlled propaganda, of the very worst kind.

      Of course, some junior staff at pathetic quay, may be quite unaware and innocent, since the editorial agenda is effectively GIVEN to them by London, and their handlers. However, no matter how it is considered, the BBC is a complete London propaganda outfit, aimed at undermining Scottish self esteem, self belief, Scottish cultural awareness and most especially undermining ANY notion of ending London colonial rule of Scotland, with a restoration of Scottish independence. They are a disgrace.

      Let’s face it, if the people of Scotland actually could watch TV, with BBC subscription as an optional extra, their are precious few Scots I know who would pay for it. It only survives because Scots are FORCED by criminal law, to pay for it.

    50. harry mcaye says:

      Complaining to BBC Newswatch may be better than a pointless e-mail to their Complaints Dept as it may get read out on air by Sameera Ahmed of whoever is presenting it. Usually on at 7.45am Saturday morning and repeated again on Sunday.

      newswatch [at] bbc [dot] co [dot] uk

    51. galamcennalath says:

      Me at 12:41

      Damn, forgot to make my final and main point!

      Perhaps we can see this negative attitude to life in the poll results where Tories see their experience as worse, even when it defitely isn’t. It is the nature of many of them to feel negative about the world around them!

    52. heedtracker says:

      Talking up Scotland is out there, sometimes, on the beeb gimp network, well kind of, maybe even a Scot on their network that’s not either arse licking a tory, groveling to a royal, monstering SNP Scots gov.

      Sure BBC Scotland rant away at us about how truly shite our awful NHS but…

      Mind how Glesga uni discovered and proved the Einstein gravitational wave theory lately. Epoch making world class science, But then the whole of the Glasgow uni research team were then airbrushed out of the BBC news reportage, into a UKOK morass of teamGB only triumph?

      This is interesting in that even the beeb gimp prog blurb refuses to say out loud what it was that actually happened at Glasgow. As usual, the Scots science genius towers over the rest. Take a bow, Professor Sheila Rowan.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09kxt28

      Professor Sheila Rowan of Glasgow University and Professor Nils Andersson of Southampton University to look at last summer’s spectacular discovery of gravitational waves from two colliding neutron stars.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-41420188

      Scotland, not talked down, just no a mention.

    53. Ken500 says:

      Colin Chapman lying again from the lying statistics. Thanks to the statistic unionist liar who always get it wrong. Head of the polling association that has been censored and fined more than getting it right. Chancers. The Tories at it again. Never, ever better.

    54. Tam the Bam. says:

      Paul Mason bang on about ‘Full on Propaganda Mode
      Bercow has just called the 3rd Scot tory to wade into the SNP.
      Definite 2018 campaign against the SNP in full flight.

    55. Macjim says:

      Sarah Smith… says it all

    56. Calum McKay says:

      It would help the cause if the Scottish Government were more proactive and combative towards the bbc and press.

      Take it as read the bbc and press will never, ever provide a level playing field for the SNP, attacking them on inaccurate reporting is therefore a win – win approach.

      Today we will see bbc’s portrayal of Michael Matheson’s request for assurances on the chief constables return to work being displayed as a political block and further evidence of, yes that word “crisis”.

      For too long the SNP have fallen into the trap of playing the game according to westminster and british media rules. We will never beat them at their own game, we need to use Scottish rules.

      Alex Ferguson refused to speak to those (bbc) he believed had lied, SNP should follow suit!

    57. Brian Powell says:

      So even the ‘quality’ journalists know they are lying and have no problem with it, yet seem unaware that we know they are lying and that is a serious problem for them.

    58. Effijy says:

      Parents of stillborn baby pursue criminal proceedings against NHS England after report finds death was ‘almost certainly preventable!

      Now Mr Allan Browne of fractured foot Tory Land, who the BBC managed to just bump into for an unbiased and objective view point

      Can you and your UK Media pals advise if you would rather wait a few hours for treatment in Scotland, or die due to neglect in an NHS Tory England Hospital that will soon be privatised?

      The real scary thing is the guy is such a nutcase that he would probably answer yes.

      I wish I had kept track of the recorded and admitted deaths in England due to Tory funding and management.

      A few weeks ago Hunt the Hun wanted to apologize for the unecessary death of another child in England’s NHS.

      He had the nerve to ask if he could go to the funeral.

      How the hell can anyone with any moral fibre vote Tory?

    59. Capella says:

      @ Sinky – I know you won’t believe this, but the BBC online complaints process has frozen. It is kaput.
      Should I now phone up to complain that I can’t complain?

      https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=244924532

    60. Famous15 says:

      For those who say the SNP are not being strong on rebuttal I would only ask do they expect headlines from BBC and other media like “Yes,we are lying shites and we are sorry for making up bad stories about the SNP”

      We have few outlets for rebuttal but get on to Facebook and Twitter etc and SHOUT.

    61. shiregirl says:

      Has anyone complained to the BBC about this error / misinterpretation /downright fibbery?

      Is there any point?

    62. gus1940 says:

      Perhaps it might be an idea for the Guys In The Black Hats to remember that The Scottish NHS employs many thousands of people all of whom are voters who may just resent the non-stop attacks on the service they provide.

      Is it not time for another protest march to PQ which is rapidly acquiring the same symbolic presence as The Bastille had in 1789?

    63. With all these lies from the bbc going on and the complaints being ignored I am sure the powers that be are trying to get people so angry that,they will resort to violence it’s like someone keeping on prodding you all the time waiting for you to crack up and I know it is hard not to respond but that is the way to defeat them do not play their game

    64. Les Wilson says:

      All these collective media people, Union politicians, Sky, BBC gimps. Do not just get it wrong, they are not just lazy, they are not just crap reporters, they are simply collective liars for the Union.
      So I wish people would just stop trying to say they all of these excuses, but simply collective liars tuned into Westminster’s anti Scottish agenda.

      Please let is just call them fucking Liars with no excuses made.

    65. Tam the Bam. says:

      Who’s up for crowdfunding a brand new SCOTS MEDIA NEWS CHANNEL.

    66. Thepnr says:

      @galamcennalath

      Perhaps someone involved directly in A&E can clarify all this. The ‘be seen’ element is being used to generate propaganda.

      Dr Philipa Whitford said in a tweet that the 4 hours was the time to be admitted or discharged. So the whole shebang including treatment where required.

      https://twitter.com/Dr_PhilippaW/status/950089572767191041

    67. Ken500 says:

      No one will resort to violence. They will just vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. Make their vote count. Or they will pay the price. Vote NO you get nothing. They were warned many times.

    68. Legerwood says:

      I posted this on the last thread about A&E figures for 2017 and have updated it.

      The 100,000 waiting longer than 4 hours does look suspicious so I had a look at all the monthly A&E reports for 2017 produced by the ISD. The monthly reports tend to be more accurate than the weekly reports

      The reports cover the period from Jan 2017 up to and including November 2017.

      Total visits 1,501,563
      Total waiting more than 8 hours 8,019 (0.53%)
      Total waiting more than 12 hours 1,561 (0.1%)
      So 9,580 waiting more than 8 hours.

      The ISD does not appear toreport the numbers whose visits to A&E exceed 4 hours but are less than 8 hours but the numbers can be worked out from the information that is reported.

      Therefore the 100,000 total comes from those attending A&E who are not seen and dealt with within the 4 hour period but are seen and dealt with within 8 hours. The length of their stay in A&E, for some, may be a reflection of the complexity of their case rather than an A&E struggling to cope.

      Over those 11 months the percentage being seen, treated and discharged within 4 hours ranged from a low of 91.8% in Jan 2017to a high of 95.7% in July 2017.

    69. Auld Rock says:

      Can we do like Virgin Trains did on the Daily Fail on the EBC???

    70. crazycat says:

      @ galamcennalath at 12.22

      My understanding is they are registered and triaged but the ‘to be seen’ refers to medical attention and decisions. Clearly, the triage process means those most in need are dealt with first so those who do wait >4hours are the least needy.

      Philippa Whitford tweeted about this recently. In Scotland, the time starts with registration, and ends with discharge/admission – 80%, 95%, whatever%, have their entire experience concluded within 4 hours. (So, the more complicated your treatment, the less leeway there is for sitting in a queue and still managing to leave/be admitted to a ward in less than 4 hours.)

      In England (I don’t know about Wales or NI), the time starts with being “seen” by a doctor, so the whole wait in corridors/back of ambulances is not included in the statistics and they still have worse results than we do.

      I think I have understood that correctly.

    71. crazycat says:

      @ Thepnr

      Cross-post! And you managed to include the reference, so well done.

    72. Ken500 says:

      How can you make rebuttals. (in public) and refuse to appear or boycott the Press

      The rebuttals can, will and are being done on the internet. That is how they get out there, shared information. As the internet coverage expands so will the information ever further. The SNP reps are more than busy running a more successful economy than to spend time making endless rebuttal. It would be constant, almost impossible because of the amount of constant dire propaganda, Westminster control and intransigence. There are only average 100 SNP MSP/MP. The unionists deliberately mucked up the electoral system so they can continue mucking up the Scottish economy and telling the lies.

      The internet is where most of the rebuttals etc can be made and shared. That is getting through. Thank goodness for Wings If it wasn’t there it would have to be invented. Thanks to everything Rev Stu does to afford the rebuttals. Every single day. Thanks a Billion.

    73. Robert Pollock says:

      If you never watch the BBC or BBC iPlayer and only watch all your programmes using the catch-up services of other channels, it may be possible to legally ditch the TV licence and save yourself £147 per year. You only need a TV licence if you watch or record TV as it’s being broadcast or use BBC iPlayer – if you only use other catch-up sites, you don’t need one. You can watch almost anything on other stations catch-up services: soaps, documentaries, dramas, cartoons and films. And because services such as The ITV Hub only take a few hours to update, you could watch the news or the latest instalment of The X Factor not long after it’s been on ITV 1. How can I cancel? If you’re absolutely sure you no longer need a licence, you can formally let TV licensing know. Although there’s no legal obligation to do this, it says doing so will prevent an increasing number of letters coming your way. Cancel payment first. If you pay by direct debit you can cancel it by filling out TV Licensing’s contact form. Tell it you no longer watch TV and confirm your current address. You’ll also need to cancel your direct debit with your bank. If you pay with a TV Licensing payment card, you’ll need to call 0300 555 0286. Then fill out the declaration on-line. Everyone who no longer requires a TV licence – including those who pay in cash at certain stores or Post Offices, who don’t need to do the above – can fill out a No Licence Needed declaration form. After this, keep your confirmation email from TV Licensing as proof. TV Licensing may visit. Once you’ve cancelled, you might find you get a visit from TV Licensing to check whether you actually do need a TV licence – it says these inspections find one in five households do. If you do need a licence, you’ll need to pay the full licence fee, and you could risk prosecution plus a fine of up to £1,000 (or £500 if you live in Jersey, or £2,000 in Guernsey). Is this legal? Yes, you don’t need a licence so long as you are not watching live TV or using BBC iPlayer and are only watching on-demand or catch-up on other services. However, TV Licensing says its figures show less than 2% of people only watch catch-up TV – so don’t cancel your licence unless you are absolutely sure you don’t need it.

    74. Thepnr says:

      @HandandShrimp

      I don’t know if you read the full report by Curtice or just the article about devolved powers being retained by Scotland or ran by Westminster or a bit of both.

      In the report only 8% wanted powers over farming to be decided by the UK government and just 9% for fishing.

      59% for farming and 62% for fishing said ALL decisions should be made over these areas by the Scottish government with the remainder saying a bit of both.

      http://www.natcen.ac.uk/media/1528078/NatCen-What-Scotland-Makes-Of-Brexit.pdf

    75. Jim McIntosh says:

      So Smith emphasises Scottish patients get £165 more per head when compared to rUK but doesn’t compare outcomes. Surely journalism 101.

    76. HandandShrimp says:

      Thepnr – No I hadn’t seen the full report just the synopsis. So 8% is enough for full backing is it…remarkable 🙂

      Don’t think this has been linked yet, soz if it has.

      https://thoughtcontrolscotland.com/2018/01/10/snp-members-most-satisfied-with-their-party-and-most-committed-to-its-policies/

    77. Jack Murphy says:

      Tam the Bam.asked at 1:29 pm:
      “Who’s up for crowdfunding a brand new SCOTS MEDIA NEWS CHANNEL.”

      Here’s a recent Newcomer on the Block with links across the top of their main page.

      “Hello and welcome.

      We’re a small band of amateur Broadcasters.

      Our aim is to broadcast a Positive Scotland to the world.

      Coming soon – We’ll be broadcasting News/Politics/Sport and weather.

      To support us, simply drop-by each day and watch at least 1 programme.

      ?Thank you.” 🙂

      http://www.trulyscottishtv.com/

    78. Vestas says:

      @ Robert Pollock 2:01 pm :

      In addition to that you should write to Capita (the BBC tax collectors) and inform them that their implied right to access your property is revoked.

      In legal terms that means any Capita employee/sub-contractor acting on their behalf is committing the offence of Aggravated Trespass, which is a criminal offence punishable by up 3 months jail. Its an offence in E&W and also in Scotland, not sure about NI.

      The upshot is that you can call the cops and if they fail to remove the Crapita employee immediately they are guilty of an offence themselves. If they subsequently don’t arrest of formally caution the Crapita guy then they are guilty of gross misconduct and will get a written reprimand as a minimum. Win-win really 🙂

    79. Ian Brotherhood says:

      If A&E depts start hitting 100% the BBC will just start suggesting that patients are being ‘rushed’ through willy-nilly and it’s a pure scandal so it is.

      😉

    80. Meindevon says:

      I’ve just watched Dr Philippa Whitford speak to the House re the NHS winter service.

      She is just so brilliant. She talks with such clarity and knowledge. What a great politician.

      I was speaking to a friend earlier today who happened to mention her daughter in law writes news bulletins for the BBC in London for radios 1,2,3 & 4. Well, as you can imagine, I had a wee mention of Sarah Smith and her lies. I hope she will mention it to this lady. She said she saw the offending article and actually she wasn’t surprised. She is quite politically astute and definitely not a Tory. Which led me on to the eu withdrawal amendments being scuppered and going to the HoL. Which led me on to the reduction of Frigate building on the Clyde. I thought I’d better stop there and got off my soapbox.

    81. annie says:

      Just watched a video on BBC Scotland website of a man complaining that a minor fracture has worsened because he waited a week to go to A&E. This has been edited to blame SNHS. I saw the full video last night on News, he chose not to wait when he first went to A&E and when he returned a week later it was obviously worse however he admitted he had been treated in 3.5 hrs.

    82. Tinto Chiel says:

      Another excellent piece of analysis, Rev.

      I was in visiting the Aged Neighbour last night and she was switching between news channels for over an hour. Sarah Smith’s contribution was deplorable, but STV, ITV and Channel 4 were all falling over themselves with the same totally misleading attack on Scotland: coordinated smearing of a high order.

      Nothing can ever be better here than in England: capisce, suckas?

      The trouble is, too many people are treated very well by the Scottish Health Service (time for a name change, SG) and misleading attacks by Yoons risk more and more people finally questioning media “impartiality”.

      However, as Capella once said, because of the control the MSM have, we’re really living in an occupied country.

    83. Ken500 says:

      There is more money invested in SNHS because the SNP Gov invested more while the Westminster was cutting it and cutting the Scottish budget. 10% a year since 2010. Now cut £3Billion.

      Scotland raises more taxes pro rata ( under the UK tax regime) £10Billion more (pro rata) The rest of the UK raises £44Billion. Scotland raises £54Billion. Scotland Gas to pay £4Billion on average in interest payments of loans not borrowed or spent in Scotland but in the rest of the UK. Groteque projects of no value. Hinkley Point, HS2, Trident Heathrow etc. Total waste of money. Money which could be better spent in Scotland. The miss management of the Oil & Gas sector has lost Scotland £4Billion a year 7 years £28 Billion. Etc etc. Trident £1Bilion. No minimum pricing £1Billion. Coming May.

    84. HandandShrimp says:

      I saw a suggestion that the chap complaining about his ankle is an SiU member. It is certainly the case that there is a chap with the same name that appears to be part of the Andrew Skinner SiU set.

      https://www.facebook.com/allan.browne.18/about?lst=100000395867505%3A100003362108824%3A1515595062

      If it is the same person, and they may not be, are the BBC complicit?

    85. David Caledonia says:

      I have never paid a contribution to the Bloody Bagga Chancers for years, simply because i don’t have a television, life is to short for owning one of those little timewasters that keep people from doing better things
      But the Bloody Bagga Chancers keep sending me letters even though i have informed them many times that i do not have a television in my house, i was ignoring all these letters they sent me, and they allways say that they will be sending somebody to see me, i have a house full of custard creams, no cream buns i’m afraid, i ate all them when my visitors never appeared.
      Anyway one day another letter appeared warning me again, so i thought, to hell with this, i am going to phone these people again
      It was a nice young chap that answered the phone, and i explained to him, that i am sick of getting letters when i have told them so many times, i do not have a television, and he did laugh when i mentioned i can hardly move for custard creams
      He said to me, i am very sorry Mr Caledonia, ( i have obviously not put my surname here to protect the guilty ) lol
      He said that’s it fixed, you will not recieve any more letters for at least 2 years, and that is their policy, you inform them you don’t have a television and they don’t bother you for 2 years
      Now, if anyone fancies coming round to my house for a cup of tea, do me a favour, for feck’s sake don’t bring round any custard creams, ave jis no got the room fur any mir

    86. Ken500 says:

      Now they are lying about the Police authorities and the SNP Gov. It just goes on and no. Police corruption being sorted out.

      None stop. On and on. Pycho Bastards. Fecking liars.

    87. call me dave says:

      Jings!

      Lots of excellent work in debunking all the BBC Shortbread and the newspaper stuff about the SNHS.

    88. Highland Wifie says:

      “Just don’t do it”. (Pay a TV Licence)

      I took this good advice from sensible Wingers last summer and cancelled the licence before we went off to the US for two months. Best thing we ever did. Didn’t have access to TV in America (what a blessing) so by the time we came back, addiction gone! Didn’t miss it in the slightest.
      Watch boxed sets and DVDs, occasional catch up but never news or current affairs.
      I know from reading Wings and other online sources what garbage they are churning out. No need to put myself through it.

      After the usual threatening letters that Capita send out, contacted them again and since then nothing. Just “we’ll check again in 2 years”

      I tend to agree with those who think desperation has set in and the ott propaganda is now counter productive. I feel we’re well into end game and a feeling of relaxed calm comes over me as I casually drop in to conversation how hilarious the BBC and STV news is these days. Independence referendum must be coming soon I muse to them as they froth and stutter. Happy days.

    89. starlaw says:

      ANNE 2-43

      Sounds like the Allen Browne story, How did the BBC ever find him? he was offered and turned down treatment a week earlier where he chose to utilise his baw heid and walked out. as far as I’m concerned the rest was self inflicted.

    90. Tam the Bam. says:

      Jack Murphy @2-19pm

      Many thanks for that Jack…wasn’t aware of this ‘newstart.’
      I see they hope to secure a channel on Freeview.Power to their elbow and it would be good if folks could visit their site once daily to up the viewing figures.

    91. Sinky says:

      Has anyone got a video link for Dr Philippa Whitford’s excellent speech to the House of Commons re the NHS winter service?

      Still no clarification or correction to Sarah Smith’s misleading claims on NHS Scotland on national TV so sending off my complaint to BBC Complaints Unit

      https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=244924532

    92. Tam the Bam. says:

      This ‘A.Browne’ story has,as others have implied,all the hallmarks of an Auntie/Greenink Group collusion.

    93. starlaw says:

      did this guy really exist or is the entire story a fabrication. I for one having taken a better look at it believe it to be fake. just the thing the SIU would dream up.

    94. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      As it happens, had two out-patient appointments in one day today, and both went very smoothly without a hitch or any great wait. As it seemed for all the other out-patients also. First-class service throughout from a bunch of dedicated hard-working staff who deserve fulsome praise.

      That’s the real world, not BBC ShitLand. No Sarah Smith or Just Another Arsehole (Rabid BT Division). “Reflecting our experience to ourselves”?! What a joke. I honestly don’t know how Donalda or any of her PQ minions can possibly hold their heads up.

      Their campaign against the SG via the SNHS has become such a complete travesty that the background set is wobbling and the strings are showing.

      Rank desperation to try to keep their claws on just enough self-doubters to save their deadbeat failing Union.

    95. Thomas valentine says:

      One would think it reasonable that an academic should write articles and papers for international scientific publications making them aware of the “concerns” of Hugh Pennington. His belief that a Scottish health service run by an SNP or just Scottish administration has led to Scotland becoming a disease ridden sewer that will infect the “whole World”.

      I am sure his international colleagues will give him suitable credit.

    96. Robert Peffers says:

      @Graham says: 10 January, 2018 at 11:24 am:

      “Its almost as if they’re churning out Labour Party press release.”

      That, Graham, is exactly what they are doing. As revealed by Derek Bateman in this link:-

      http://newsnet.scot/archive/labour-exploits-scottish-media-void-press-unchallenged-claims/

      This explains and provides positive proof of what many Indy activists have known for decades but this also shows the new confidence that London Labour in Scotland has in BBC Jockland and the utter contempt that they, and the BBC, have for Scots, Scotland and the SNP. Secure in their knowledge that everyone will suppress the truth from the Scots.

      Derek has now openly exposed them, and the Scottish MSM, as one anti-Scottish Unionist party but notice there has been no big outcry in Scotland because even the majority of indy supporters will never read, watch or listen to those facts.

      Go read it, understand the implications, bookmark it and trot it out every chance you get.

    97. heraldnomore says:

      PQ going out of their way just to prove there is life after La Bradford. Miserable Shits.

    98. Thepnr says:

      @HandandShrimp

      Posted earlier today was this:

      harry mcaye says:
      10 January, 2018 at 11:48 am
      Mr Broken Foot, aka Allen Browne, from yesterday’s BBC Scotland feature is on facebook (Ally Browne, Edinburgh) and if you scroll down a bit you’ll find a cartoon depicting Nicola Sturgeon as a jobby (Nicola Turdgeon, ho ho!) and among his photos, as well as confirmation that it is the same guy, you’ll find “Still Naw” and the union flag. How the BBC tracked him down is one of life’s mysteries…

      https://www.facebook.com/ally.browne.18?lst=1011030664%3A100000661471347%3A1515598817

      There is a likeness but couldn’t say for sure. Interestingly though the link you posted is friends with this guy who only has half a dozen friends in total on his facebook page.

      Would be hilarious if there was a link with SiU, even if there isn’t, the guy interviewed on BBC last night left the A&E department without waiting for treatment. The excuse that “the receptionist said his ankle probably wasn’t broken” so he went home and chose to ignore it for a week doesn’t wash.

      To then try and accuse the SG of failing to be prepared is pathetic if you refuse to wait your turn for treatment.

      Just how did the BBC find him in order to conduct an interview?
      As harry mcaye noted “just one of life’s little mysteries”.

    99. BJ says:

      Sarah Smith is a Proud Patsy for the BBC. I stopped watching anything she was in ages ago.

      I wonder what her father would make of the liar she has become just to please the Tories.

    100. Fred says:

      Apologies mean nothing even if they gave one. What’s needed is the thwack of a thick lawyers letter on the parquet-floor at Pacific Quay.
      There must be some way of suing the bastards, either individually or severally! I’d put to that!

    101. Legerwood says:

      Ian Brotherhood says:
      10 January, 2018 at 2:29 pm
      If A&E depts start hitting 100% the BBC will just start suggesting that patients are being ‘rushed’ through willy-nilly and it’s a pure scandal so it is.

      ?
      …………………………..

      The suggestion that patients are being rushed through A&E in order to make their targets has already surfaced.

      In the last few weeks it has appeared in articles, below the line comments and the letters pages. Usually the letters are from retired medics thus giving the idea a spurious legitimacy, or so they think.

    102. Thepnr says:

      Compare NHS England with NHS Scotland at PMQ’s. Why aren’t BBC Shortbread reporting the issues in other parts of the UK when talking of Scotland’s performance?

      Can only assume they have an agenda that has nothing to do with the SNHS.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-42639330/pmqs-corbyn-and-may-on-cancelled-hospital-operations

    103. harry mcaye says:

      Thepnr – I don’t know how far you’ve scrolled down but there is an outdoors photo of him and it’s 100% the same guy.

    104. handclapping says:

      Thats the first time Ive listened to Smith. It had all the fluency and comprehension of a Labour Press release. It makes me glad I don’t pay the Tele Tax.

    105. James Barr Gardner says:

      John Smith’s grave SLab on Iona has carved on it ‘An honest man’s the noblest work of God’; weel cannae say that dis in ony way resemble his daughter Sarah Smith’s credo. Tories lie, all hues, FACT.

    106. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Thepnr @ 16:17,

      Further than that, just compare the BBC’s “UK” (ie English) coverage (eg. TV, R4) with its Scottish outpost’s coverage of (eg.) the exact same NHS issues. One is fairly moderate and responsible (even with poorer background stats), the other is batshit mental doom-and-gloom.

      (No prizes either for guessing which is which..!)

    107. Robert Peffers says:

      @Neil Anderson says: 10 January, 2018 at 11:24 am:

      “Stu, you ARE being far too gracious to John Smith’s wayward daughter. She clearly states;
      “LAST WEEK, over 100,000 patients waited more than 4 hours to be seen..”
      I’d call that a lie.”

      I’ll second that, Neil – it not only is a lie but is deliberately told as such by the despicable Ms Smith in the certain knowledge that no one in the unionist parties, or in the SMSM, are ever going to either contradict or expose the bare faced liar as a person who acts against their own country and their own countries people.

      That in no way describes other than a mobile agricultural power unit. However, please note that is all in spite of the Derek Bateman exposure of the facts over the Winter Festive Season.

      Hardly a single word of the vile unionist plot has yet made its way from Newsnet Scotland onto the Scottish Mainstream Media nor even become widespread on social media.

      Instead we have been regaled, even right here on Wings, by a host of people, claiming to be indy supporters, decrying the fact that the SNP are remiss in highlighting the sheer brass necked dishonesty of the entire Westminster Establishment.

      That particular cart is well and truly harnessed before the horse as the fault is the Westminster Unionist and hostile media suppression of the truth and downright lies.

      The SNP and wider YES movement have long told the truth of how the SMSM in general, and the BBC and STV in particular, do so constantly to the extent that is never likely to be made available to the electorate or the general public unless by word of mouth or by leaflet distributed by the grass roots Indy activists.

      In truth I take heart from the fact that The Westminster Establishment are exhibiting what is quite obviously desperate fear and utter panic. We are probably witnessing the final death throes of what was once the Westminster Establishment created British Empire.

      Its ultimate death will benefit not only Scotland but the entire British Isles, The EU and indeed the entire Western World.

      Unless, of course, the USA is allowed to further increase its malevolent sources of World strife and violent warfare.

    108. Thepnr says:

      @harry mcaye

      I scrolled down far enough to see the picture I believe you refer to. I prefer though not to say anything with 100% certainty in relation to identification, could have an identical twin brother for all I know.

    109. Robert Peffers says:

      @crisiscult says: 10 January, 2018 at 11:26 am:

      “while the England/UK stories usually do not refer to the Tories/UK Gov but rather blame often resides with the NHS itself.”

      Actually it very rarely is an actual NHS fault in either Scotland or in the wider United Kingdom. The faults are almost certainly those of the local authority run and controlled NHS Area Boards and NHS Hospital Boards.

    110. galamcennalath says:

      This propaganda onslaught won’t drop off until after our Independence Day.

      We can’t stop them.

      As others have said too, it looks as though it’s not working for them, is it?

      They are burning themselves out and getting more and more desperate. More people see through it all. And once you have opened your eyes, you can’t ever un-see it again. All they do is scunner an ever increasing section of voters!

      Call them out by every means possible and tell family, friends, neighbours, and colleagues where to see the alternatives. Let them make their own minds up where the truth lies.

      In the world of grown ups, some things just outlive their usefulness. Sometimes they can’t even be recycled. The more Scots who recognise this about the UK and the Union, the closer we get to Indy.

      The BBC and MSM are helping to achieve this IMO!

    111. ronnie anderson says:

      Enough is enough Bbc/Stv and any other broadcaster asking for permission to film & do interviews in our SNHS Hospitals should be refused , it must be demoralizing for Doctors & Nurses & all those that work in hospitals to get home after a long shift to be subjected to the News Media’s distortions & outright lies .

      Same allies to the NewsPapers any anti SNHS stories & said newspapers don’t get sold from Hospital shops .

    112. wull2 says:

      BBC bias complaint,
      We publish this every fortnight, on our website: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/bulletins/broadcast-bulletins. It includes the latest decisions about the complaints we’ve received.

      Have a look and see if you can find one Scottish one, I gave up..

    113. Robert Peffers says:

      @Ken500 says: 10 January, 2018 at 12:04 pm:

      ” … The public should not have to put up with that. Poor performance and service.”

      Thing is, Ken500, the public do not have to put up with it. The individuals who put up with it do so by choice.

      I haven’t watched a TV programme for years and hardly ever listen to radio news or read newspapers, (sic), either.

      That doesn’t mean I am either misinformed or uninformed for there are many on-line sources of information and that is without counting any social media. As for political news you cannot do better than watching the proceedings as they happen live-on-line at Holyrood and at both the commons and lords on-line. When you watch the actual proceedings you do not get the proceedings as edited and interpreted by such as Brian, (toodleoothenoo), Taylor or some other unionist liar.

    114. Robert Graham says:

      Only so many times you can cry wolf then it’s just background noise .
      Unless they are totally rabid , dumb ,stupid ,dyed in the wool unionists determined to rubbish anything the SNP does ( a bit like the bbc in scotland ) most people realise whats been falsely promoted is bloody well different from reality .

      Mrs Mayhem made sure she stayed well away from mentioning the scottish health service and its record at PMQs today , if it was as bad as the bbc pronounce she would be bloody screaming about it , this leaves the bbc and other media in scotland out on a limb ,
      A one trick pony determined to get the SNP to sack ministers and remove the only protection scots have from a out of control rabid tory government , be careful what you wish for unionists you might just get it and in spades .

      Before i read any comments Colin f/k off yer boring pal and take the other tossers with you ,the place is starting to smell with you lot around .

    115. Capella says:

      I’ve now submitted my complaint on the BBC website. But don’t hold your breath. There is a long and convoluted process to go through before complaining to OFCOM.

      What if I’m dissatisfied with the BBC’s reply?

      Please contact us in writing and explain why, either online or by post within 20 working days and quoting your case number. We’ll reply again, this time usually within 20 working days.

      If you remain dissatisfied you may be able escalate to the BBC’s Executive Complaints Unit (ECU) at stage 2. If so we’ll tell you how. For full information please read the BBC Complaints Framework.
      Escalations and Ofcom:

      If you remain dissatisfied after completing the stages within the BBC, there may be a right of appeal to the regulator Ofcom.

      Or maybe not.

    116. Legerwood says:

      I have noticed one or two tweets on the Rev’s Twitter feed alluding to A&E performance during Labour’s time in charge at Holyrood.

      Worth pointing out that for most of the time Labour were in charge the A&E stats were collected once per year over a 3-7 day period in April from a core group of A&E departments.

      Once per year in April and over a 3-7 day Period. Not exactly vigorous collection of data.

      It was not until 2006 that they started collecting them throughout the year and publishing the results quarterly.

    117. Calum McKay says:

      Robert Peffers at 4:45 pm

      “The faults are almost certainly those of the local authority run and controlled NHS Area Boards and NHS Hospital Boards.”

      Mrs May called for an all party approach / discussion on Sunday regards the NHS (in England).

      She would, she’s in the sh1t! When a policy or sector is going badly wrong, those governing always suggest a joint approach, pulling together, it’s what the public wants, etc, it spreads the blame and takes the spot light off of them. Oppositions politely decline!

      Scotland’s NHS is not in the poor state the English NHS is in, but that does not mean we can continue “as is” for much longer, all indicators point to this being the case.

      I will always remain in favour of “free at the point of care”, but for this to continue, tax needs to be raised. Moreover, additional numbers of doctors, nurses, pharmacists and dentists needs to be trained and recruited.

      For the Scottish Government to reach out to labour who weaponised the NHS and or the tories who want to privatise the NHS is a waste of time. I think a national discussion is required with input from the public, healthcare professionals, patient representatives, academics and other interested parties, e.g. local authorities.

      Otherwise, when we in Scotland will slip into the abyss that England is in. The Barnet formula will also impact funding. We will have no excuses and no other option than to go down the private route that England is well travelled.

    118. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      BBC delenda est.

    119. shug says:

      people need to turn up at the BBC in serious numbers to hand in their complaint.

      outside with banners calling out the lies and shaming the front men (and women)

    120. yesindyref2 says:

      BBC delenda est

      Ah! Who was that poster in the Herald always posting like “Scotland delenda est”?

    121. Ken500 says:

      The only shambles is the unionist lies. Unionist Police corruption is being sorted out. Finally.

      Good that racists go on trial. Why are no unionist bigots and racists going on trial?

      A drunk falls out. With a two timer. Pathetic.

      Strathclyde lies spreading far and wide. Poor methodology. Biased questions. Duplicity.

      No mention of overfishing the sea. Or dumping back dead fish for years. Instead of using bigger nets.

      The multimillionaire farmers are Tories milking the public purse. Pleading poverty. Lining their pockets on other people’s misery. Sanctioning and starving people.

      Oil & Gas sector still over taxed by Westminster. 40% tax since Jan 2016. Losing £Billions and 120,000 jobs. Unionist Aberdeen councillors are an absolute disgrace. They have destroyed the City Centre. Wasted £1.2Billion. Wasted money like there is no tomorrow. Wasting public money on grotesque projects of no value. No one wanted. With no mandate. Causing traffic chaos. Cutting funding for essential services.They are a disgrace,

    122. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      @ yesindyref2

      I give up. Who was it ya fanny?

    123. Artyhetty says:

      Shocking experience today, Scottish NHS, routine health screening appointment (that I had to change, and was given a day earlier than original date).
      So caught an Edinburgh non privatised bus, it was on time but stuck in traffic due to what looked like fibre broadband works, then, another bus it was on time and stuck at every traffic light, hm, panic! But, then I got into the appointment exactly on time, seen exactly on time, and out in 10 mins.

      Staff were great, very efficient as well. Wow, what a disgrace eh, it all went absolutely fine and on schedule. That is how things should be, if you think about it, it’s 2018, not 1818, though the Britnats are it seems, oblivious to that fact.

      Scotland, get the heck out of this disgusting so called union, soon as possible. Oh and my bro in NE Eng gets his bus pass this year, wow, he is 65, having worked since he was 15. According to their council website, if you are born after 1960 you can sing for your free bus pass, no date scheduled, lovely eh. Labour council.

    124. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      So, the majority of Yes voters, let alone the rest, do not want the liberal immigration system Nicola quacked on about. Who knew?

      I wonder if that was in no small way responsible for the awful GE result. Durrrr.

    125. Robert Graham says:

      I wonder if there is any Legal brains hanging about , the reason I ask is these media outlets the state broadcaster included might just possibly be contravening section 38 of the criminal justice act 2010 , by knowingly causing fear and alarm ,

      These disreputable outfits must be putting off people with a genuine illness from visiting A & E departments because of their use of dramatic cataclysmic language that makes a visit to any A & E department seem like a life threatening decision , this must be spreading fear and alarm in the general public.

      Section 38 appears to cover a Myriad of crimes from breach of the peace to domestic violence and it might well include spreading misinformation that will cause alarm to most normal people . I believe the line has been crossed by promoting, half truths , exaggerated claims, and in some cases downright lies , political stances and viewpoints are one thing , putting the public at risk is a totally different ballgame ,

      In wartime these people would be removed from society because they pose a real threat .

    126. jfngw says:

      Well from the figures, Conservatives believe everything in Scotland is worse than elsewhere. They get their news from the MSM, high watchers of Rep Scot I suspect. Give them their due Rep Scot are catering for their audience, if they want to be told how crap Scotland is, it’s the place to go.

    127. Gary45% says:

      bobajock@11.44
      Rage at the BBBC? STOP paying the licence, simples.
      Apologies if you already done so.
      The empire control the media especially the BBBC so the best way to hurt them is simple.

    128. Tam the Bam. says:

      Shug @ 6-05pm

      I was thinking the very same Shug.Long time since we visited the beasts lair eh no?

    129. Colin Alexander says:

      Craig Murray’s latest blog says:

      “Flying in to the UK today and tuning in to the state broadcaster is like arriving in any one party state”.

      So, IF there’s gonnae be an indyref, what answers do the SNP or YES campaign have to the Unionist state propaganda channels pumping out 24/7 Project Fear on behalf of the Tories?

      Same again? Do interviews with them, participate in rigged Q&A sessions with more plants than Glesga’s Botanic Gardens?

      Or what?

    130. CameronB Brodie says:

      Good to know the media hasn’t completely sapped Scots of all self-respect and critical faculties, just our confidence. The media that Scotland is expected to endure, is not constructed to enlighten and emancipate. It is intended to achieve the very opposite.

      Postcolonial and Media Studies: A Cognitive Map

      In presenting a cognitive map of ‘the mediascape’ in order to indicate how it might be transformed by postcolonial perspectives, I want to start by drawing on one of the issues Jameson highlights in his essay. Referring to his earlier notion of ‘the political unconscious’ (1981) and connecting it to people’s everyday lives in modern metropolitan countries he notes:

      The phenomenological experience of the individual subject…becomes limited to a tiny corner of the social world, a fixed-camera view of a certain section of London or the countryside or whatever. But the truth of that experience no longer coincides with the place in which it takes place. The truth of that limited daily experience of London lies, rather, in India or Jamaica or Hong Kong; it is bound up with the whole colonial system of the British Empire that determines the very quality of the individual’s subjective life. Yet those structural coordinates are no longer accessible to immediate lived experience and are often not even conceptualizable for most people. (1988: 349)

      http://shura.shu.ac.uk/3538/1/Chapter_1.pdf

      Critical realism and news production

      In recent years, critical realism1 has risen to prominence. It has been fruitfully applied to various social sciences (Sayer, 2000). This represents a welcome development, challenging the postmodernist de-totalizing and depoliticized climate of the past two decades, which as Curran (1990a) notes, has also affected mass communication research, ‘for better or worse’. This article endeavours to show that critical realism provides a fresh viewpoint on several well-researched aspects of the fundamental issue of news production….

      http://www.msu.ac.zw/elearning/material/1148469278Critical%20Realism%20and%20Media%20Sociology.pdf

      Egotism & Society

      What makes our society function? What ties hold us together? These questions have assumed greater importance in a post-modern, morally relative era, an era in which everyone’s beliefs can seem wildly different. At the same time, we find ourselves witnessing the power of public opinion on a mass scale, indicating a greater level of agreement than before. As such, the search for the lowest common denominator within our national community is blurred. I want to suggest that advanced industrialised societies, such as Britain’s, rely on a particular conception of the Self as a purely Egotistical entity in order to thrive. This conception, which I will refer to as the Ego or Egotism, is not conducive to a healthy mind-and-body. Moreover, there is a cultural blindness in the West as to the importance of this Self, and most of us are unable to envision life without it. I want to focus on how and why advanced industrialised societies implement this understanding of the Self, and the consequences of this understanding….

      http://sociologicalimagination.org/archives/4130

    131. TheBuchanLoony says:

      Wull2 @5.19 My complaint against the bias in the Scottish Leaders Debate and infamous ‘nurse going to foodbanks’ plant is there in the Ofcom issue 334 of 7th August. Although its under (as expected)’Complaints assessed, not investigated’ I went through it all knowing that they knew that I knew what their game was. They had to reply at length to me and I got great satisfaction knowing they had to try to justify the unjustifiable.
      I must say that I was a bit disappointed that I was the only one who, according to this record, took them to task for such obvious bias. If many more of us swamped them with complaints then they would have to have a special department to respond and we would get the satisfaction of really pissing them off!

    132. Tam the Bam. says:

      Colin Alexander @ 7-46pm

      Personally…I was rather looking forward to the advent of COLIN ALEXANDER MEDIA and him venting his spleen against the frothing yoons.

    133. Juan P says:

      @Robert Graham

      Sorry Robert but BBC propoganda doesn’t amount to a s.38 offence.

      I’ve often wondered though if a coordinated cancellation of the TV licence, as a form of civil and lawful protest, might be a more effective and appropriate response.

    134. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      CBB, I watched this and thought of you.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g&t=26m0s

    135. Elmac says:

      Tomorrow I have an appointment with my optician who has my utmost trust. He will no doubt give me a prescription to alleviate my problems. There will not be a charge and he will see me at the appointed time. Thank god for the SNHS. It is so easy to take it all for granted and not to appreciate how lucky we are to live under a government who cares for its electorate. Half of my family live south of the border and can only envy what we have.

      We are faced with indoctrination on a daily basis, a never ending stream of lies, omission, corruption and general propaganda from 99% of all media sources. I hope to live to see an independent Scotland with a a media who report the truth, warts and all, irrespective of the colour of the government. When that day comes I confess I will not be content with change alone, I will expect to see those who lied to, and cheated the scottish electorate brought to book and prosecuted for their undoubted crimes. Nothing less will suffice – I want revenge!

    136. CameronB Brodie says:

      It is surely testament to the human spirit, that the vast majority of Scots born Scottish residents still identify as Scots, given the battering the Scottish identity gets in the media. Apart from Tories, perhaps?

      Identity and Marginality

      Each person’s self is formed by a reflexive process, in which our perception of how others see us plays a paramount part… individual self-images and group we-images are not separate things. (Mennell, 1994, p.179)

      https://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_41175_en.pdf

    137. Robert Peffers says:

      @Calum McKay says: 10 January, 2018 at 12:53 pm:

      “Alex Ferguson refused to speak to those (bbc) he believed had lied, SNP should follow suit!”

      Utter illogical claptrap, Calum, in the first place Alex Ferguson was the manager of the then best team in England, he thus had a plethora of other media outlets to get his views out to the plebs who were interested in English football. He could well afford to ignore the BBC as he had the choice of plenty others. Who do the SNP have?

      The SNP have virtually only one quite limited Scottish newspaper and absolutely no radio and TV media channels whatsoever. Even at Holyrood the Presiding Officer is now most certainly a biased and unionist supporter.

      Ken Macintosh allows the collective unionist desk thumpers free reign to disrupt any SNP/Green person on their feet, (the person addressing the chair).

      He also allows any anti-SNP people in the visitors gallery to be heard if abusing the person speaking and allows those who speak, shout and carry on conversations in the chamber to act as if they were at Westminster. (i.e. a bloody ill-mannered rabble of arseholes).

      Like the rest of the SNP detractors here on Wings you never make any logical and sane suggestions of just how it is you suggest the SNP/SG get their points into the public domain.

      For sure they are not going to get their points before the public on the hostile airwaves or in the hostile dead tree press. That thus leaves it as the province of us, (as the grass roots activists), or the much more limited and expensive Advertising hording way of getting the publics attention.

      If you actually read the SNP websites or the individual Councillors/MSP/MPs and MEPs websites or even the official Holyrood Parliament website and watched Holyrood Parliament TV – Westminster Parliament on-line TV, (It covers The Lords, The Commons and the committees). You would get a lot closer to the truth and there is always the many News Agencies like Reuters that the SMSM use instead of going out and seeking out their news stories and then lying about them.

      Here is Reuters web link:-

      http://uk.reuters.com/

      Here is a link to a list of UK News Agency links:-

      https://botw.org.uk/News/Agencies/

      If you want the news the SMSM doctors and publishes before they get their hand on it use a news Agency, (Like the Yoon liars use to get the stories they then tell lies about).

    138. wull2 says:

      Thanks TheBuchanLoony ,
      The 3 I came across also had 1 complaint, funny that.

    139. Col says:

      We need a mass non payment of the license fee campaign. We did it with the poll tax. I honestly believe if we don’t we’re screwed.

    140. call me dave says:

      Just posted that SNHS WOS twitter link to a ‘better together friend’ who believes all on BBC.

      Man with broken ankle interview with S. Smith.

      I’ll see her tomorrow. 🙂

    141. Robert Peffers says:

      @Brian Powell says: 10 January, 2018 at 12:56 pm:

      “So even the ‘quality’ journalists know they are lying and have no problem with it, yet seem unaware that we know they are lying and that is a serious problem for them.”

      What quality journalists would that be, Brian?

      The only quality Journalists left in Scotland are either retired or have gone freelance and struggle to get their decent efforts into the public domain. We even have a few of then posting here on Wings and Derek Bateman has just exposed the collusion that co-exists between the London Labour in Scotland Accountancy Unit and the SMSM but Derek’s fine effort has gone largely either unreported or misreported by the Scottish Main Stream Media.(SMSM).

      Now why would the SMSM want to propagate their underhanded collusion with the unionist press release list?

    142. Elmac says:

      A few comments on the Bullshit Broadcasting “licence” fee earlier. Why should we pay to be kicked on the head repeatedly? Are we as stupid as the BBC hopes we are? It is not just a matter of being unthinkingly thick, it is a matter of principle. DO NOT PAY FOR PROPAGANDA!! Stop watching their crap + all live broadcasts and tell them to FO. There are plenty of licence free sources on the intenet (excluding Iplayer which is a regurgitation of biased crap anyway).

    143. Col says:

      Is it not our human right to have our own broadcast ability?

    144. jfngw says:

      BBC Scotland have two types of headline:

      1. Scotland figures are better than rest of UK, ‘Targets are still not being met’. They consider it not relevant to compare the different Nations.

      2. Scotland figures are worse than rest of UK, ‘Scotland is below UK average’. It has become highly relevant that they are compared to rest of UK.

    145. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Col –

      For all we know there *is* a mass non-payment campaign ongoing, but BBC refuses to divulge regional breakdown of non-payers so we cannot know the % of rebellious Scots.

      Ronnie Anderson may have more up-to-date figures but the last ‘guesstimate’ I heard was 1 million non-payers UK-wide, so approx 100k of those should be Scottish households.

      🙁

    146. remo says:

      Could somebody tell me the name and time of the programme and I will make my nth complaint to the BBC for putting this kind of tripe out there. It may be a bit difficult to do as I no longer pay the propaganda tax to the BBC. I told the BBC that I no longer wanted to pay for anti-Scottish propaganda when I cancelled my payment of the tax.

    147. The BBC presenter/propagandist at the start said only 78% of patients were seen within the 4 hour target,

      The BBC unionist that is named Sarah said 100,000 waited more than 4 hours,

      doing `the math`,

      The 22% that missed the 4 hour target = 100,000 patients,

      1% = 4545 patients,

      therefore Scottish NHS A & E must have seen 100 X 4545 = 454000 patients in 1 week

      and that would just be A & E not patients seeing their local GP or non A&E departments in Hospitals,

      so half a million Scots visited A&E in 1 week and the Scottish NHS still managed 78% seen within 4 hours,

      that`s the size of Glasgow visiting the A&E in 1 week according to the figures of the BBC unionist named Sarah,

      fricken should be medals all round for our Scottish NHS staff.

    148. Elmac says:

      Ian Brotherhood says:

      Ronnie Anderson may have more up-to-date figures but the last ‘guesstimate’ I heard was 1 million non-payers UK-wide, so approx 100k of those should be Scottish households.

      Thanks for info Ian. Given the number of the pro Indy electorate this is a disgrace. Can we please stop paying for the privilege of being lied to. For God’s sake everybody – wake up!

    149. Clootie says:

      Obvious propaganda but they don’t care that we know. They have a target audience to hold and they read and watch the unionist media.

      They openly mock us daily. Union Jackle and Co sneer as they peddle lies.

    150. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      The evasion rate for the Telly tax was higher in Scotland than any other part of the UK at the last known figures I could find. In March 2016 Scotland 10%. NI 9% and E&W 6%.

      I’ve just posted the relevant table on my twitter feed here:

      https://twitter.com/Thepnr/status/951200964354215937

      Full report here:

      http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/tvl/2017/licence_fee_collection.pdf

      Mass campaign of non-payment that would put the shits up them, it already has since the target for non payment is just 3.75% which Capita always fail to meet (hahaha targets) and is one of the reasons the Tories changed the law last year to mean that you now need a licence to watch iplayer.

    151. Tam the Bam. says:

      Hah!…..First time I’ve had the phone slammed down on me by a bot…lol…but that’s exactly what happened 10mins ago when trying to record my thoughts re the disclosure surrounding one Allan Browne Esq.

      Never since 2014 have I felt more motivated to get back down to the beast’s lair and make our voice heard again.Lets get this sorted!

    152. Robert Peffers says:

      @Robert Pollock says: 10 January, 2018 at 2:01 pm:

      “How can I cancel? If you’re absolutely sure you no longer need a licence, you can formally let TV licensing know. Although there’s no legal obligation to do this, it says doing so will prevent an increasing number of letters coming your way.

      Indeed, Robert, but why would you want to formally want to let TV licensing know that you do not watch live TV? It will prevent you getting, (illegal under Scottish law), letters threatening you with legal action. This is classed under Scottish law as, “coercion”.

      we have the law against, “coercion”. Essentially coercion involves threats to reveal substantially true or false information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates, or threats of physical harm or criminal prosecution.

      Note the bits about, “substantially true or false information”, and “or threats of physical harm or criminal Prosecution”.

      Now here’s the thing – They are breaking Scottish criminal law by threatening you with criminal prosecution and every letter they send you contains threats of criminal prosecution. Not only that but every letter they send you costs you nothing but cost them money. Furthermore, there is English style law of Trespass in Scotland and they, if they attempt to, “Investigate”, (rather than their only legal right to be invading your personal privacy), and that legal right is to go to your main entrance in order to make contact with a legal occupier. When/if they make such legal contact all you need do is enquire which Legal Occupier it is they desire to contact and when they cannot tell you by name who they wish to contact you can tell them to leave immediately and if they do not call the police to have them removed.

      The short version of that is that legally, (if you do not watch Live TV), you are not breaking any laws – but they are. hey will have repeatedly sent you illegally threatening letters, (coercion), and invaded your personal privacy and refused to leave when requested. Another point is – do not allow them to browbeat you.

      They are in breaking the law and in the wrong and you are the legal occupier – you conduct the exchange – not them.

      Another point is you can request that only the most senior member of the group, (and they will come mob handed), remains to attempt to make legal contact and they will not know who the legal occupier is. So tell the BBC nothing and keep all those illegally threatening letters as evidence to use against them if the Procurators Fiscal decide to charge them with Coercion.

    153. CameronB Brodie says:

      Reluctant Nationalist
      Do you think I’m a Marxist-Leninist ideologue? I’m a Scots born human being aiming to access my inalienable human rights. Fundamental conditions of plural democracy and social justice which the British state has never applied to Scotland, IMHO. Should I be less self-determined?

      The Right to Development at a glance

      “The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural nd political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

      “The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

      http://www.un.org/en/events/righttodevelopment/pdf/rtd_at_a_glance.pdf

    154. Petra says:

      @ Robert Graham at 7:10pm …. “Causing fear and alarm – Section 38.”

      Spot on Robert. Exactly what I was thinking. Many individuals, in particular the elderly, are loathe to attend A&E departments now. The journey, the thought of sitting around for hours on end and as they see it sitting amongst hordes of people is too much for them to contemplate. One wonders, at the extreme end of the scale, how many deaths have resulted from this?

      Add to that the levels of depression and anxiety generated with a daily diet of Scotland in ‘crisis’. Doom and gloom day in and day out.

      I no doubt share the sheer frustration of this with many others on here. The MSM are basically getting away with blue murder and there’s seemingly nothing we can do about it. STV don’t bother responding to complaints. The BBC just forwards a wee notice of their impartiality. Ofcom tells you to complain to the BBC initially (although you can still over-ride that) and IPSO is worse than useless.

      It’s also becoming clear that comparing A&E targets and cancelled operation in Scotland versus England is like comparing apples to oranges. The criteria in both cases is entirety different and should be clarified. It would help if the SNP (or Philippa Whitford et al) outlined such differences, as the MSM won’t be doing if any time soon. The Scots should also be made aware of basic facts such as that the NHS in England has been abolished and is being privatised at some rate: as a result the NHS budget in England will be cut as will ours. A recent article suggests that money spent on the NHS over the next few years will be on a par with 1951. Then there’s the implications, with Brexit, of TTIP Trump moving in to push through privatisation. And so it goes on. All info being withheld from the Scots by the Unionist cabal of politicians in cahoots with the Media.

      Sarah Smith of course is a member of the Unionist cabal and therefore is using her position to blatantly promote her / their agenda. Her sister Jane is married to Lord Robertson’s (Scottish independence would be cataclysmic for the West) son, their minister the Alexander twins father and her mother, Baroness Smith of Gilmorehall, sits in the House of Lords (to name but a few links). Note however that her mother has claimed more than £600,000 of public money since last tabling a question to ministers in 2002. They don’t want to upset the apple cart as it’s clear that being ‘Better Together’ is working for them.

      Anyway let’s hope that you are right Robert and that there IS some way to, LEGALLY, bring the scaremongering liars to task for causing such fear and alarm, as the situation is way beyond the pale now.

    155. Robert Peffers says:

      @Tam the Bam. says: 10 January, 2018 at 9:34 pm:

      ” … my thoughts re the disclosure surrounding one Allan Browne Esq.”

      I’ve spent a lifetime doing volunteer work for those less fortunate than myself, so I’m not one to laugh at other people’s misfortune and/or suffering – but I have to admit that I almost wet myself laughing when I watched that complete idiot admitting on video how bloody stupid he was.

      He goes to A&E with what he suspects is a broken ankle and he voluntarily decides to leave because they are so busy and he doesn’t fancy waiting for attention that quite obviously was not life threatening, like for example, an open and bleeding wound or a suspected heart attack or a dangerously high temperature.

      He leaves taking any action for a full week then returns to A&E, (probably, as it was obviously NOT an emergency he should have made an appointment with the local GP’s practice nurse).

      Anyway a week later he decides to return to A&E but then goes to the lengths of being videoed complaining of the long wait he CHOSE to have for treatment after proving beyond doubt it wasn’t actually an emergency matter. Not only that but he blames the SNHS for him deciding to walk about on a broken ankle.

      Strikes me the numptie has some other axe to grind that he doesn’t want us to know about. I wonder if he’s a member of the OO or something like that?

    156. CameronB Brodie says:

      Reluctant Nationalist
      The post-colonial perspective may appear Marxist but it simply uses methods of Marxist critique to uncover the cultural roots of inequality. Marxists are resistant to the post-colonial, as they like to define the world through capital and class, culture not so much. That’s a pity, as the economy and social structure are largely shaped by culture and the narratives that support its perpetuation.

      Have you a specific problem with my contribution?

    157. winifred McCartney says:

      No one in Scotland should be paying a license fee to be lied to every day of the week and the BBC should be brought to book for the fear and anxiety they spread every day.

      I have complained over and over again to the BBC and did complain about the leaders debate. At least I have a case no for the complaint about Sarah Smith usually I don’t even get that. It is a waste of time but I always hope more and more will do it until it cannot be ignored.

    158. Robert Peffers says:

      @Petra says: 10 January, 2018 at 9:46 pm:

      “It’s also becoming clear that comparing A&E targets and cancelled operation in Scotland versus England is like comparing apples to oranges. The criteria in both cases is entirety different and should be clarified. It would help if the SNP (or Philippa Whitford et al) outlined such differences, as the MSM won’t be doing if any time soon.”

      It is a matter of fact that Dr Philippa Whitford, (a great lady), is already on record of doing just that. In fact I read a batch of comments on either Twitter or Facebook on that topic but I cannot remember where it was. I only read it in the passing as I was looking for something else at the time when it caught my eye.

      That is, of course, part of the problem. You hardly ever read reports of such things being aired by the SNP parliamentarians in Westminster as the SMSM avoid such items as if they were the plague.

    159. Petra says:

      @ remo at 9:00pm …..

      Remo I saw the Sarah Smith report on BBC news at 6:00pm last night. Hope that helps.

    160. Robert Peffers says:

      Re Doctor Whitford on the subject of A&E waiting times:-

      https://twitter.com/Dr_PhilippaW/status/950089572767191041

    161. yesindyref2 says:

      I give up. Who was it ya fanny?

      Can’t mind the name just now Izal, he was always posting how much England subsidised Scotland and how we should just go and stop being a burden on England. Scotland delenda est. He disappeared about the time you appeared here on Wings.

    162. Aonghus says:

      Thing is, that in England, NHS has got itself into a mess; it cannot be conceded that Scotland’s doing better; so the state broadcaster is called into service. its journalists are only doing their job. [ugh!]

    163. Thepnr says:

      @yesindyref2

      LOL ya fanny!

    164. Dr Jim says:

      The Allan Browne broken ankle guy as I thought when I first saw him on the telly has been exposed as a plant

      Sarah Smiths “mistakes” over the SNHS figures exposed as lies

      Practically everything that comes out of the media is being exposed as lies and twisting of the truth when it comes to the SNP but it’s only us who find these things out, the public will never be told the truth

      So what can we do about the media who perpetrate their lies against Scotland and the SNP, because in any population of any country there are idiots who’ll believe anything and Scotlands not immune to that, we have lots of them and that’s who the media are targeting when they spout their lies

      Some folk think the SNP aren’t doing enough to combat this stuff but I would argue there virtually is nothing they can do except put things straight if they get the chance, but it’s getting the chance that’s the problem, and then even if they do the media can edit it straight out whenever they want

      Ian Smart the Labour member and Lawyer continually puts out Tweets like one of his most recent ones where he says *SNP policy is to get Independence in order to repatriate English people back to England* a complete and total lie and really you would think legally actionable, if not that he should be thrown out of the Labour party, but no, he’s still a member after years of this stuff and it’s never ever reported in the media, if it were a SNP member who did something similar about somebody else it would be wall to wall coverage

      Here’s a plan why don’t we just invade England, and what I mean by that is not demo outside Pathetic Quay any more that gets us nowhere, demo outside the BBC in London, that’ll make the news that train loads of thousands of Scots turn up in England to call the BBC liars and have the complete dossier of BBC Scotland lies to hand to Sky News and others

      Too much?

      If we don’t do something I’m on the verge of bursting my shirt and turning green, and I don’t mean politically I mean the other guy but without Scarlett Johansson to calm me down,,,, unfortunately

    165. yesindyref2 says:

      @Thepnr
      Nicest thing anyone’s cried me all day 🙂

    166. Scotspine says:

      What Dr Jim said.

      The BBC are waging a war against the democratically elected Scots Govt and in doing so, the people of Scotland.

    167. remo says:

      Thanks Petra. Complaint duly made. Everybody should complain.

    168. galamcennalath says:

      Aonghus says:

      its journalists are only doing their job

      [ its journalists propagandists are only doing their job ]

      Indeed. The BBC is there to promote and protect the state which is of course the UKOK.

      The Scottish pro independence movement is the biggest threat their beloved state faces right now. The BBC is on a ‘war footing’ as far as Scotland is concerned. In January it looks as if they moved from Defcon 3 to 2.

    169. Capella says:

      @ remo – I said it was the 6 o’clock news. In fact I don’t have a tv and don’t watch the BBC live so it was a guess. Craig Murray has started posting again and he saw it at 10 o’clock News. so it doesn’t matter which news you report.

      Note that it may take them 2 weeks to reply. If you follow up, it will be a further 4 weeks before they need to reply to the follow up. After that, you may escalate further up the BBC. No idea how many weeks that might take. If still unhappy, you MAY be able to refer it to OFCOM. More weeks/months/perhaps years go by.

      In other words, the state broadcaster is immune to public dissatisfaction. Just don’t pay to be lied to and advise anyone who asks to do the same. IMO.

    170. Capella says:

      From Stu’s twitter. The BBC have become incredibly devious. Here’s the charmer they showcased as an “ordinary” patient of A&E:
      https://twitter.com/LangtryDavidSQ/status/951226171277979648

    171. Meindevon says:

      @Petra..if you have a look at Dr Whitford’s most excellent speech in the House this afternoon on the NHS winter situation I believe she did exactly that and explained and actually corrected a Tory who had compared apples to pears.

      Sorry not sure how to link it for you or I would! I think it was about 1.15-2pm but not sure. It really is worth watching…she even gets a wee dig in at a Scottish Tory who moaned about the SNP always wanting to compare figures to nhsEngland.

    172. Petra says:

      @ Robert at 10:23pm …… “clarification.”

      I noticed the Philippa Whitford comments too Robert, however I reckon that we need both systems to be clearly set out in an orderly, official fashion. For example in England operations cancelled outwith (or within?) a particular timeline don’t count, as they do in Scotland.

      And like you I know that anything that they, SNP, do put together won’t see the light of day thanks, not, to the media. We however could make a point of getting it out there.

      And on a different subject I’m looking for a comprehensive list of Scottish operating oilfields to hand out (could be circulated online too), as I was speaking to a woman last night who supports Independence, but doesn’t access the Internet, who said “too bad we’ve got no oil now.” !!!!!

      ………………..

      BBC news tonight.

      England – the economy is doing much better than expected followed by news from around the world. No English issues covered.

      Scotland – Police Scotland in crisis (lengthy piece), poor NHS stats again, 60% of Scots are obese, a woman murders another woman in front of her child, court case about slavery and trafficking in Scotland, stats re. choking on grapes and tomatoes and an interview with a wheelchair bound guy who’ll be representing Scotland re. curling. Followed by the weather.

      And then you go on to John Robertson’s site ‘Talking up Scotland’ or read the National and low and behold there’s a good news story / stories about Scotland every solitary day of the week.

      Maybe Stu should think of running a poll in Scotland on the Media, such as who / how many people think that the MSM is biased and how it makes you feel after reading / watching their articles / news on a sliding scale from one to ten – ecstatically happy to positively suicidal.

    173. Elmac says:

      RE Dr Jim @ 10.46

      Even if you mobilised thousands to demonstrate outside BBC London you would be farting against thunder – it would simply not be reported. You are dealing with serial liars who are not accountable to anyone. The only way to approach this is to cut off their funding. DO NOT PAY THE “LICENCE” FEE!

      If enough people refused to pay and were willing instead to pay the same amount to fund a new independent scottish broadcaster or buy out a struggling daily rag like the Record we might get somewhere.

    174. Artyhetty says:

      Really when all is said and done, Sarah Smith has blatantly lied to the people of Scotland via a state run, right wing, extremely biased media. That surely is an insult to real journalism, and an insult to what would once upon a time have been a left wing political party with integrity. One which her father was a big part of.

      I have no idea how she actually sleeps at night. Many journalists around the world are as we speak, persecuted horrendously, and are being tortured and murdered for trying to get the truth out.
      Sickening.

    175. Hamish100 says:

      RE the bbc plant with hurt ankle. Did he phone the BBC or did they phone him. Is that a FoI to the BBC?

      If you are seriously hurt you dont hop around for a week leaving the hospital.
      If you are in pain you would wait.Just too bad that there were heart attack victims ahead etc.
      Was he under the influence? BBC wish to comment? Sarah Smith wish to say sorry?

    176. Tam the Bam. says:

      Meindevon..(forgot the fekin time…who cares)

      I too am hofan’hof….Scots/Eng……Scotland is my home country and always will be….Devon is a place so dear to me as a child…..and for a long time I considered my second hhome…..things move on.

    177. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      @ Yesindyref

      WRONG

      I’m Ally Browne.

    178. Meg merrilees says:

      Meindevon

      Link to Philippa Whitford’s speech in H.O.C. today
      http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4105a3ef-4613-46d2-bd4e-9677b083a4b7

      listen in at 14.09.

      Stephen Kerr got his arse well and truly slappit doon. Dinnae mess with Philippa.

      Guess what, Flu happens in cold weather and we get colder weather than the rest of the UK; plus icy weather causes more slips and sprains and we get more icy weather than the rest of the UK so we have double the demand but we are still the best performing Health service in the UK.

      In Scotland, one clock goes on when you arrive at A and E and the 4 hour target begins from the moment you arrive; in England the clock goes on when you arrive, but once you have been seen, another clock starts after the Doctor has seen you, so you might then wait for 10 hours on a trolley, 3.5 hours after arriving at A and E so you actually have taken 13.5 hours from stat to finish.

      Great speech and some good statistics.

    179. Petra says:

      Another post just disappeared. A response to you Robert (P). Anyone know if ‘duplicate detected’ means that it’s sitting in moderation (with no banned words or links) or has gone altogether?

      Thanks for the info Meindevon. I’ll check it out.

      Anyway fed up wasting my time on here, two posts gone AWOL from last night too, so I’ll head off and get some much needed paperwork done.

    180. artyhetty says:

      Re;Petra@11.57pm

      Very annoying Petra, try refreshing the page, or, sometimes it helps to use another browser like Opera, your comments should be there somewhere. Failing that, use another device to see if that shows up with your comments, then do some updates. At least that’s what my son tells me!

      We are all being watched, how boring for those sitting there imo, have they nothing better to do, maybe sow some veg, or work at saving the planet. Nah, not going to happen, they are just adding to the wrecking of it for their own kids & grandkids. Sad.

    181. Thepnr says:

      @Dr Jim

      Great idea, well here’s what the Catalan Independence supporters did recently in Brussels in support of their Independence. At least 45,000 made the trip and you can see it for yourself.

      Never saw any of that on the telly though!

      Longish video at 7 min but skip in a minute or two and get the full flavour if you feel you can’t handle it all. I watched it all.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itUhSWhlE4g&list=RDitUhSWhlE4g&t=8

    182. Meg merrilees says:

      Robert Peffers re the ‘broken ankle’ actor

      Aye! Agree completely the man was a right numpty.
      Even boasted that he had knocked his ankle a couple of times during the week that he chose not to have anything done to it.
      He could have got an elastic bandage from the Chemist shop and strapped it up himself.
      Was it not sore?

      I had a bad sprained ankle in the spring, by morning I couldn’t put my weight on my foot, but I strapped it up with a scarf and went to local minor injuries clinic where it was dealt with pretty promptly and successfully. It was excruciatingly sore and I couldn’t possibly have lasted a week without having it seen to. Sounds well dodgy to me.

    183. Thepnr says:

      @Petra

      I’ve noticed your complaints about posts disappearing not just recently but for a wee while. All I can say is that their is no moderator on Wings other than the Rev.

      He uses an automatic system to moderate based on certain words like you cannot say gr*pe as in the fruit because the word r*pe is there.

      The only only things I’m aware of for that your post may not appear is if you post a link to a youtube video without deleting the http:// part it will not appear.

      If it happens again I’d suggest you first save the post then put it up in paragraphs at a time then you might find out the “offending” word that stops your posts appearing.

      Sounds like hard work but I’d like to know the results 🙂

    184. Thepnr says:

      @Petra

      Last point, ‘duplicate detected’ means your post has already been received by the server and you shouldn’t try to post again else it will appear twice, well if at all in your case.

      Never lose heart as your posts are an inspiration for many.

    185. yesindyref2 says:

      @Petra
      Words like gr*pe hit the filter, alb* and other weird ones, even if they’re in the middle of a bigger word.

      Hitting the back button might get you able to see your post in the box above subnit comment, works for me on firefox.

    186. Chick McGregor says:

      Oh would that BBC Scotland had a 95% target for ‘facts’ reported being accurate and a monthly report on how well they had done against that target.

    187. Capella says:

      @ Petra – you can retrieve your post by clicking the browser back arrow. Then copy and paste it into a notebook file. See if there are any banned words or dodgy links. Then copy and paste into the comment box again.

      If you get the duplicate message you can change one word and it will be a new post.

      I’ve no idea why you are losing posts so often. I’ve only once had a post disappear and I think Stu deleted it because it was a stupid comment which would have derailed the thread. But I often have to refresh before a post appears.

      Don’t give up!

    188. Capella says:

      I’ve just read on Stu’s twitter that in English A&E the clock only starts ticking AFTER a medic has seen the patient. And even then, waiting times are much longer. Why has the BBC not pointed this out?

    189. Ghillie says:

      Jack Murphy @ 2.19 pm

      Thank you for reminding me to pop into Truly Scottish TV =) I just spent a very happy hour catching up on a decent Met Office weather report and interesting blogs!

      Worth supporting folks 🙂

    190. Chick McGregor says:

      Petra
      I went through a phase of cutting and pasting my posts to notebook in case they went down a crack somewhere but as Capella says if you hit the back arrow in the TLHS of your browser it should get you back to your original text entry box where you entered the post. This can be perused for moderation triggers and amended.

      On the very few occasions where no apparent triggers were detectable and random tweeking of the post still did not produce a result, I have found, usually a day or two later, that the post had a quite unintended inference from that intended and been consequently grateful of its omission.

    191. Thepnr says:

      @Ghillie

      Yeah, what a brilliant resource this may turn out to be 🙂

      For example:

      http://www.trulyscottishtv.com/channel-2—scots-govt-channel.html

    192. Thepnr says:

      You get to check out what’s in the “Baby Box” I never knew 🙂

    193. Jack Collatin says:

      I had to hear it for myself.
      Sarah Smith, fresh from her subbing for Big Andra on the Daily politics Westminster Bubblegum, did say on the Beeb, that over 100,000 had to wait more than 4 hours in Scotland’s A&E rooms.
      It was pre-recorded, therefore it was allowed to stand; a blatant lie.
      I take it that ‘BBC’s Scotland Editor’ has been despatched North with a platoon of the Propagandist Light Foot in anticipation of Indyref 2 breaking soon.
      I bet that she thought that she’d ‘arrived’ Down There when she took over fro Ol’ Grecian 2000 Comb Over.
      They’re in Warp 5 Propaganda Strength this month of January, aren’t they?
      ‘I can’t get any more out of these engines, Donalda.’

    194. Ghillie says:

      Thepnr, the Baby Box looks awesome! I would have so appreciated that help!

      Yes, our new Truly Scottish TV is I think going to be a really useul resource! Together with Phantom Power Films, IndyLive, and all our Indy blogs!

      Wonderful antedotes to the awful propaganda machines 🙂

      Sarah Smith has been shown to be, at best, disasterously incompetent. And at worst…?

      Silly bat couldn’t stop us sharing Phillipa Whitford’s excellent words on the 4 NHSs though. Head and shoulders above the Tory government’s mouthpieces. (Thank you Meg merrilees @ 11.55pm for the link!)

      Finally Thepnr @ 12.16 am Thank you for the link to the Catalan Independence Supporters gathering in Brussels 🙂

      45,000 is an incredible number of people to travel to another country to support their Independence and to call for their case to be heard. Awe inspiring =)

    195. yesindyref2 says:

      So it starts for real after the phony war of the last 18 months, and for those worried about what the SNP are doing, sit back, get out the popcorn, and enjoy.

      http://archive.is/bxat0

      SNP ministers warn of emergency Brexit legislation

    196. manandboy says:

      In the Indy2014 campaign, the British Establishment came to realise that the threat from Scotland was very real. And they were afraid, very afraid. Now in 2018 they are even more afraid which explains why the propaganda war against Scotland has intensified.

      Make no mistake, propaganda works, for the same reason that advertising works. Eg.Alex Neil SNP MSP voted Leave. Failure to combat the brainwashing by the BBC under Donalda MacKinnon at Pacific Quay will result in victory for the Establishment.
      Unfortunately this is not taken seriously by the vast majority of Yes voters who continue to pay the TV Licence of £145 to the Westminster Government thereby funding their propaganda war against Scottish independence to the tune of approx £200 million.

      Please STOP supporting the British Establishment in their efforts to crush Scottish independence. Please consider giving up the telly and if you can, like many already have, cancel your TV licence right away. You will never regret it.
      If you are a real telly addict and can’t live without it, then at least abstain from news and current affairs programmes.

      Remember – Scotland is at war.

    197. Ken500 says:

      Some trolls go on the Herald supporting the unionists. Then post on here supporting Independence. Indy too. Quite strange. Split personality. In or out. Or just on the fence. Giving offence.

      Here we go. Here we go. 54% believe the Scottish economy would be the same (doing well) or better with Independence. The dam has broken. Up, up, up.

    198. Arthur Martin says:

      @manandboy. 5.56am

      Nail on the head with this post. I cancelled my TV license last summer after getting sick and tired of the relentless negativity from the BBC, and its obviously intensified greatly since then.
      I stick by the rules, signed up for Netflix, get my news from the web and I’ve never regretted it. I get the threatening letters on a regular basis despite contacting the BBC to inform them of my decision and know my rights from some of the excellent Wingers on Stu’s blog.
      I know that the BBC is not funded directly from the license fee, but if this is all I can do to register my disgust at their institutional bias against Scottish Independence then fair enough, it makes me feel better.
      I’ve also stopped listening to BBC Good Morning Scotland as it was becoming apparent that the constant drip feed of bias and negativity was making my morning drive to work an expletive filled rage fest which was affecting my normal cheery demeanour.

      Think about what manandboy is saying folks, you’ve nothing to lose and £147 to gain.

    199. Ken500 says:

      Most Doctor’s surgeries are shut two weeks between Christmas/New Year. They are not open from 23/24rd December till 4/5 Jan. Put’s a stain on the alternative services out of hours and A &E. At the busiest (coldest) time of year, Surely the surgeries could have a staggered service. Provide some kind of emergency cover for those not going away etc.

      No one grudges the Doctor’s /medical professions their holidays but surely some time off could be taken at less busy times of year. Then the darkest, blackest winter,When the call of duty goes up. The busiest? time. Other agencies have to pick up the slack and become over prescribed. Other occupations manage staffing at crucial times. Surely some form of limited emergency surgery care is feasible by alternating time off. At the busiest time of year. Working in tangent with S/BMA to find a preferable solution.

    200. Ken500 says:

      Pre text. Annoying

      ‘Put’s a strain on alternative services.’

    201. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Petra/Thepnr –

      Aha!

      I’d been wondering where one of mine went, couldn’t work it out at all. Now it makes sense.

      It was a response to CamB about the perils of translation. I cited the Japanese publication of Steinbeck’s ‘The Gr*pes Of Wrath’ which, as it turned out in kanji, appeared to say ‘The Angry Raisins’.

      😉

    202. Macart says:

      @Yesindyref2 4.56am

      Just about exactly on time and as expected. Like I’ve said from the get go – process, process, process. Dot the Is and cross the Ts.

      I have no doubt that a legal case has been kept in preparation for a looooong time, should it ever be required. The preferred route has always been the ballot and for obvious reasons. Good to hear that they are prepared to go the whole hog and use it as and when required right enough.

      Also never doubted that there were some teeth behind our government’s smile. Was getting a mite nervous about when they’d show them to be sure. 😀

    203. Hamish100 says:

      Why should GP’s opt out of working weekends etc. Because the BMA is powerful and labour allowed it to happen by changing their contracts. Hospital doctors thanks for remaining loyal

    204. Des says:

      Almost two years ago my heart (totally unexpectedly) decided it wanted to slow down to 7 beats per minute – by then I was coming and going out of consciousness. It happened around 10.30 on a Sunday morning. By around 6.30 pm I was back home functioning as fit as a fiddle with a brand new pacemaker in my chest. Been good ever since. Fuck off you media bastards, stop your rubbish about the Scottish NHS, you aren’t journalists, take your CVs and fuck off to North Korea.

    205. Des says:

      Meant to say 6.30 pm next day. Please excuse me on that wee error

    206. Des says:

      meant to say 6.30 pm the next day, sorry for that wee error

    207. stu mac says:

      @Petra says:
      10 January, 2018 at 11:57 pm
      Another post just disappeared.
      ===============================

      That sometimes happens to me. I find if I go to the main blog page, refresh then go back into the current article I will usually see my new post. If I don’t bother with that it eventually does appear.

    208. Abulhaq says:

      @Ian Brotherhood
      https://www.snopes.com/language/misxlate/raisins.asp
      You might find the above site of interest re the pretended mistranslation.

    209. Jack collatin says:

      The headline news on BBC Scotland’s 90 seconds slot on England’s BBC Breakfast this morning is that a School in Edinburgh has failed to recruit a maths teacher.
      This is fucking National news? Is it fuck.
      Donalda MacKinnon has deliberately reduced BBC Scotland to Parish Pamphlet status, because there is nothing really important happening in Scotland because we are a wee backwater colony of England, and the rich, the powerful, and the ennobled Up Here are Teflon coated, the secret Masters of Colony North Briton.
      We are deliberately portrayed as an insignificant wee Northern Region of England.
      Why doesn’t BBC Scotland do us all a favour and just pack up and move back to London?
      I believe that there are 700 odd BBC Scotland staff churning out Yoon Party Press releases, and reporting on cats up trees.
      What a waste of my money.
      Donalda will be a Dame any day now.
      She has made BBC Scotland a cheap amateurish laughing stock, while effectively closing down the only potential ‘independent’ news outlet available to us up here.
      Job’s a good un’, Donalda.

    210. Liz Rannoch says:

      For those who are telly addicts or it’s the main entertainment – now Channel 5 Wright Stuff – he’s got Nigle Farage on and their at each others’ throats already.

    211. heedtracker says:

      Donalda will be a Dame any day now.
      She has made BBC Scotland a cheap amateurish laughing stock,

      Female of the yoon species…

      She’s clearly been given 4 beeb Scotland years to bring down SNP Scots gov.

      Can she do it though, it’ll pass in a flash?

      She’s already got Salmond and Robertson.

      She very nearly got a lot more. Their beeb tales are up. So next time, its going to be a very tight thingee, beeb gimp wise.

      She’s going to end Scottish independence on Friday 7th of May, 2021.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards

      You can buy SNP playing cards just like these in the Pacific Quay gift shop. All proceeds go to beeb gimps in need.

      All Heil Donalda.

    212. Ken500 says:

      The BBC are now in collusion with the Tories. To cover up the NHS lack of funding. The Tory is even going red with embarrassment for the lies being told.

      Cameron elected to protect NHS cut the funding. The LibDems elected to fund education cut the funding.

      The Tories have cut NHS funding £4Billion a year from 2015 to 2020. £20Billion, They have put in £2Billion. The Tories should have increased funding for inflation and the elderly.

      The Tories cut Education funding £6Billion. £3Billion that will not be paid back but will be a debt upon the poorer students.

      The Tories gave cut welfare £3Billion a year. Total £18Billion,

      Total £13Billion a year.

      The Tories have increased tax cut for the wealthiest. £Billions.

      Paper bags should be available free as they are all around the world. Paper containers. Easier to recycle.

      If they care about the environment they should get rid of Trident, HS2, Hinkley Point and ex Heathrow, There are cheaper, safer alternative. (Cost £15Billion saved) Total £30Billion a year.

    213. Many people from their own experience of the Scottish hospitals know that what Labour, Tories and the Libdems are saying about the Scottish NHS being in crisis is lies.

      Which is why I believe peoples opinion of the NHS hasn’t fallen

    214. Clootie says:

      Sorry – way off topic

      I had to go to Exeter recently and was very surprised to find that Flybe have direct flights from Glasgow 6 days a week.
      The flight was very busy on both lega – full of Royal Naval staff and contractors. It is in fact an MOD flight under the guise of a commercial schedule. An added bonus for Flybe is selling off unused seats to the public ( check the site for yourself)

      a) How did this little earner come Flybes way. Looks like a nod and wink from the MOD
      b) Why do the MOD need to rotate so many personnel 6 days a week / 52 weeks a year?

      I suspect the mythical “employment” figures for Faslane has a lot to do with it.

    215. heedtracker says:

      Ken500 says:
      11 January, 2018 at 9:24 am
      The BBC are now in collusion with the Tories.

      BBC r4 is now completely dominated by planet toryboy. Try tuning in for a day to BBC r4 and it is completely and utterly a tory network. You will almost never hear a non tory view or voice on BBC r4 today.

      BBC Scotland parochial there’s been a murder garbage aside, from the pro Trump, tory Britnat propaganda pouring out of BBC World Service, via Nic Robinson’s Today show and then throughout the day, well here’s Craig Murray blogging it,

      “I have spent only eight days in the UK in around the last five months. Driving from Heathrow to Edinburgh yesterday, we listened to BBC Radio 4 for over seven hours. In continued reports and bulletins on the Cabinet reshuffle throughout the day, the numerous people invited to comment on it were, without a single exception, Conservative Party politicians or avowedly conservative political journalists and commentators. Neither Labour nor SNP were asked for their thoughts.”

      “Flying in to the UK today and tuning in to the state broadcaster is like arriving in any one party state.”

      Tory corruption of the state broadcaster is now complete. Although to be fair, Corbyn is so god awful, its probably in Labour’s favour none of them ever get on BBC r4 tory propaganda.

      SNP are ofcourse never ever heard, unless its SNP bad, who are very very bad, says BBC r4.

    216. Robert Peffers says:

      @Capella says: 11 January, 2018 at 12:52 am:

      “I’ve just read on Stu’s twitter that in English A&E the clock only starts ticking AFTER a medic has seen the patient. And even then, waiting times are much longer. Why has the BBC not pointed this out?”

      I’ll hazard a wee guess most Wingers know the answer to that wee question, Capella.

    217. galamcennalath says:

      The grim reality of a very hard Brexit in the media. Perhaps half a million jobs lost.

      At the other end of the Brexit spectrum, it is being made clear that ongoing payments to the EU will be required for a more comprehensive deal. If services are included, it will mean payments.

      ‘Canada’ type deal is for goods only (and not all goods) not services, 70% of the UK’s economy is services.

      If paying into the EU stopping is a red line, then that severely limits the scope of any deal.

      http://archive.is/qR2L1
      [ text only ]

      Basically, they’re fcked! And Scotland goes with them unless we jump ship.

    218. Clydebuilt says:

      The 4 hour target isn’t 4 hours sitting waiting to be seen . . . . . It’s 4 hours from entering the door till you
      a) are examined then treated and leave the department / hospital
      b) are examined and admitted to the hospital
      c) are examined then transferred to another facility

    219. Dr Jim says:

      I’ve never heard of Doctors or Nurses from the Scandinavian countries working in our SNHS there must be a reason for that
      In fact the only time you ever come across folk from those countries they’re either on holiday or they’re top bosses in their fields, so there must be a reason for that too

      If it’s the case that these Scandinavian countries are doing better than we are and that’s why they’re not here what is so difficult for Unionists to understand that Scotland would be much better off teaming up with those guys coz it would appear they know what they’re doing in good old Scandinavia with regards to pretty much, well everything

      The only bad stuff I’ve ever heard about these countries was from Donald Trump, so that kinda seals it for me, if he’s against them I’m definitely for them

    220. yesindyref2 says:

      @Macart
      Yes, me too. You know the plan, and you stay patient, just have a general blether and then start to panic when it’s not happening, even though it was too early!

      Unionists out already saying “look what happened with Miller and Sewell in the UKSC”.

      Yes, but this ain’t Sewell and talk about “normally”.

    221. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Albuhaq –

      Cheers for that link. Brilliant.

      😉

    222. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This is going great guns.

      Could anyone who does FB please pass it on?

      Hoots aplenty!

      😉

      ‘Should Mundell resign?’

      https://twitter.com/ianbhood/status/951047364776689669

    223. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Simple really.

      The BritNat Establishment are waging a Soft Coup against the democratically elected Government of Scotland and by default the people of Scotland in the hope of installing a Unionist Government at Holyrood (or more likely now abolishing it and resuming direct rule).

      The BBC is their Propaganda Arm.

      The Non Dom Press Barons their partners in crime.

    224. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      Dr Jim: “…Scotland would be much better teaming up with those guys (Scandanavians)…”

      Amen to that. Especially the Danes.

    225. Dr Jim says:

      Hairsbreadth away from direct rule in NI with the agreement of the DUP, because they get to keep their jobs, Sinn Fein locked out

      I can see that working out just fine

      Not enough popcorn in the world for this

    226. Macart says:

      @Yesindyref2

      No, its not the MIller case and the Sewell wording. Not by a long shot.

      They take this to court and its about the nature of devolution, the Scotland bill/act, the articles of the treaty of union, the nature of ‘partnership’. ALL of it will be brought up. So far as Westminster is concerned, it will be messy, loud and all over the place.

      Smart money is still on a ballot I’d reckon. If they’re smart, they’ll work to avoid a court case which calls the fabric of political union and the existing treaty settlement into question. S’up to them though. (shrugs)

      All the Scottish government need do is follow procedure and process. Use their own competence settlement against them, just in exactly the same way they intended to use its fiscal settlement to the detriment of Scotland’s citizenry. Nailbiting stuff to be sure, but hopefully not long now. 😉

    227. Dr Jim says:

      Did you know that the speaker of the HOC has the power to stop Irish or Scots representatives speaking anytime he wants, 200 laws were apparently sneaked through the HOC in relation to that very thing in case of Irish or Scots influencing anybody else

      It was on the BBC parliament channel in their little docu facts programs

    228. Ken500 says:

      A extremely few locums from other countries. Moonlighting. Or some might take post for specialised experience. Many UK trained Doctors work abroad for the same reason. To gain experience or specialise. Doctors work all over the world. Where their skills are in demand. Increasing medical development and invention. New procedures and better outcomes worldwide. Medical expertise is world wide. The development in medical science keeps health costs lower with better outcomes. Worldwide.

    229. PictAtRandom says:

      Nigel Farage talking about considering a second Brexit referendum (in the Daily Mule).

      That’s two doors you’re opening, Nige. (Can’t think that The Tank Commander will be happy.)

    230. IZZIE says:

      O/T Kezia on 5 live talking about sisterhood in Scotland against rape clause sticking it to Ruthie – is Kez about to cross the floor?

    231. ronnie anderson says:

      Ian Brotherhood Ok your mugshots in 3 Yes pages as requested lol . & my contribution to that debate Tar and Feather the fucker .

    232. Fred says:

      Out of 60 million peeps in Britain, Sarah Smith gets that job? a leaf out of Brigid McConnell’s book. Talent will out it seems!

    233. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Anyone know anything about the ‘Blockchain’ voting system?

      Twitterer has told me it’s a tamper-proof online system the SG has been testing and is ready to use for all elections/referendums.

    234. ronnie anderson says:

      http://www.scottishparliament.tv/ 11.40 kick off , all the usual muppets will be there .

    235. David Caledonia says:

      Nigel Firage is absolutely right, have another referendum on that toxic european political union if we really have to, at least it will shut the anti/democracy moaners up once and for all
      Then when we are out of that toxic political union, we can concentrate on getting out of that other farce called westminster

      Alba Gu snooker loopy!

      PS

      Getting out of the political european union, does not mean not trading with them, trade never stops

    236. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Watched the first part of this last week and it was really good NB (I’d double-check that time though – last week it was at 7.30):

      Second in a Series : Towards a Written Constitution for a Secular Scottish Republic TONIGHT 8.30PM https://livestream.com/IndependenceLive/DrMarkMcNaughtSeries … #IndyRef2

    237. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie Anderson –

      Cheers aplenty! Now I know why my ears were burnin’…

      😉

    238. Desimond says:

      @petra

      Its WordPress ( The package the Wings site is created on) hiding your posts and not your fault.

      I am the admin of a busy football site which is created via WordPress and I find even my own comments can disappear when posted. I find random posts from regulars will be sent to Spam or Trash folders ( theres approved and pending folders too) and no rhyme nor reason for it other than WordPress AI just said “Not showing this one”.

      There will be a Black Mirror episode about it no doubt with AI deciding whose human voice is allowed to be heard and whose voices are deemed “Spam” or “Trash”.

    239. Abulhaq says:

      The FM has stated that a second independence referendum might be held in autumn of this year. Let us hope so.
      Quite enough time for the sickly British state to have signed its own death warrant, with or without a flu pandemic.
      Can’t wait to get my Scottish passport Nicola!

    240. Sinky says:

      Quelle surprise

      Relatively low key BBC coverage of latest disastrous A & E figures in England and even worse in Wales.

      Usual right wing newspaper puffs for May’s plastic promises getting most coverage.

      Brent Crude nudging $70

    241. heedtracker says:

      How odd. Never seen The Graun tories use “country” before. A UK country now. Its a a very weird place this, where one country has several other countries in it. Journo licence, tory propaganda, you pays your money…

      Scotland
      Scotland to become first UK country to ban plastic cotton buds

      Crackdown on manufacture and sale of product will cut Scotland’s contribution to marine plastic pollution by half, says expert

      Discarded cotton buds on a beach.

      The move by the Scottish government follows concerns about the number of buds being washed up on beaches after being flushed down toilets. Photograph: David Jones
      Libby Brooks Scotland correspondent

      Severin C is unwell.
      Thu 11 Jan ‘18 10.14 GMT

    242. mike cassidy says:

      Ian 11.25

      Here are some links re blockchaining I posted last month.

      As I said at the time, read the comments under the first one, as the explainer seems to have smoked too many bitcoins to ever return to Planet Analogue

      http://archive.is/uY8Dj

      http://archive.is/iJOyo

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSo_EIwHSd4

      And for a brain-melting glimpse into a possible blockchain-based future

      http://archive.is/nRJY6

      After all that I would recommend a good liedown!

    243. Can someone explain what `to be seen` means when visiting A&E

      always though it was the time it took from entering A&E to being seen by any medical staff,

      ?

    244. gus1940 says:

      While The Scottish Government has the power to hold an Advisory Independence Referendum i.e. not legally binding it requires the permission of our Colonial Masters to hold one that is legally binding.

      Is that fact not one of the best arguments for Independence and freedom from the condescending dictatorial arrogance of our self styled betters.

    245. Tatu3 says:

      O/T
      In the not too distant future in an independent Scotland, if everyone had an ID card, (and not costing a huge amount of money like was suggested a few years back by a Westminster government!) and it had the same technology as your bank debit cards that allowed you to “connect”, then maybe when it is time to vote in iScot elections all you’d have to do is pass your ID card over a terminal, or your phone, laptop, or whatever?

    246. Ken500 says:

      Farague is just a hypocritical criminal. He funded a political Party with public EU money for years. Offshored it. A crime. Never put yearly political Party accounts as was required by Law.He should have been put in jail long ago. Not left to destroy the world economy. Action was taken but too little to late. He was protected by the Tory grandees for years. Just about every word he utters is a lie.

      The reason for the worse migration crisis in Europe was the US/UK illegal wars. More migrants having to come into EU/Europe. Not the EU policies. The EU members have to pick up the cost. £Trns of U.K./US debt. Destroying the world economy. Wasting Trns that could be saved or better spent. The Westminster unionist imbecile politicians. Most of them should be put in jail. Liars, greedy, useless incompetent imbeciles. Sanctioning, starving killing millions of people.

    247. Ken500 says:

      Many peooke do not have a lD card and the majority do not want an expensive lD card system. A waste of public money. It just needs a comprehensive electrol roll. That has been updated. Done recently. A residential qualification is quite feasible for those passing through.

    248. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @mike cassidy –

      Cheers for that. I missed the conversation previously.

      Looks like ahm gonny hufty block sumbdy oan the Twitter hingmy…

      🙁

    249. gus1940 says:

      Mad Ruth McMad banging on at FMQs about the alleged disaster that is The Scottish NHS.

      She is going on about the reduced number of beds. While it was not under a Tory Scottish Government I can distinctly remember when the final plans for the new Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh were produced to finally be built under a Lab/lib PFI Scam that there was considerable debate around the fact that the new Infirmary would have substantially fewer beds than the old one.

      It was argued at the time that this was because of advances in medicine which reduced the time patients had to stay in hospital and also that many procedures could now be carried out as day surgery.

      My understanding is that this policy dating from before the first SNP Government in 2007 has been followed in the building of all subsequent new hospitals and explains the reduced bed numbers our Hon Col. is banging on about.

      Furthermore, I would be surprised if the same policy has not been followed by the NHS in South Britain – perhaps figures could be obtained for this.

      Re bed blocking perhaps Miss McMad could be reminded which party was in power when all the Convalescent and Geriatric Hospital were closed leading to the short lived Nursing Home Boom which created many millionaires but has now gone somewhat tits up.

    250. Ken500 says:

      Increasing Oil price makes everything else more expensive. A double edge sword. It is better being lower but have a tax regime that allows for continued exploration and production. Not 40% when the price is lower. Westminster total appalling mismanagement. Not boom and bust. Until needs are lowered. Or less imported. necessary. Other alternative (cheaper)fuel and energy products can be further developed. Renewables etc. Or CCS.

    251. galamcennalath says:

      I thînk this is serious mischief making!

      Article, I focus on one sentence and a link therein ….

      http://archive.is/0Qlla

      “Nicola Sturgeon said this week that another EU vote could become “irresistible” in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
      READ MORE: Nicola Sturgeon: Second Brexit referendum may be “irresistible””

      … leads to …

      http://archive.is/1rrV1

      As far as I know, nowhere has Nicola said a no-deal Brexit makes EURef2 irresistible. I am certain that a no-deal Brexit will result in IndyRef2. By that stage, EU referendums will be well out the window!

      The articles are intentionally muddled concerning Nicola and referendums IMO.

      This isn’t the first time we’ve seen this. Nicola threatens IndyRef2 and the msm report it as EURef2, it sounds like to me.

    252. Ken500 says:

      Davidson is an appalling disgrace. They actually use figures that show how well the SNHS is doing to try and bring it down. They can’t count or read a balance sheet. Do simple maths or analyse figures. Appalling behaviour. Most of them should not even be in Holyrood. 3rd rate rejects trying to ruin the Scottish/world economy. Just endless lies. They changed the electoral system without any authority or mandate in order to try to ruin the economy.

    253. heedtracker says:

      Everytime you tune in to loony yoon toryboy culture…

      My Slovene girlfriend’s true colours, farted into her Scotland region political milieu. Milieu is Slovene for ew.

      Wings Over Scotland Retweeted

      Gillian Martin
      ?

      @GillianMSP
      43m43 minutes ago

      Just witnessed Adam Tomkins in chamber complain about the amount of money the Scottish Government is spending on Equality and Social Justice. Yup. That happened

    254. David Caledonia says:

      I love a good comedy show, i have just finished watching one of the best on my computer, yes folks, FMQ has just finished, as usual we had Wee Willie Heartburn doing a turn as the class clown, and all the rest apart from the SNP, giving us all a good laugh will their iname ramblings and piffling whitterings, but at least it make me laugh out loud, is that not what a good parliament should at least give us all, a good giggle at the stupidity of the Tories, Labour, and of course the poor wee liberals, ahhhh bless lol

    255. Jack Murphy says:

      Thepnr said at 9:22 pm last night,speaking about TV Licence Fee non-payment in the different parts of the UK

      “……I’ve just posted the relevant table on my twitter feed here:

      https://twitter.com/Thepnr/status/951200964354215937……..”

      Thanks a lot for that info in an easy to understand Table 🙂

    256. Sinky says:

      Radio Scotland lunchtime news bulletin priorities extensive coverage of a murder trial in Manchester .. no mention of the poorer A & E waiting times in England.

      BBC national TV .. Scotland and Wales just as bad as England no mention that that Scotland is the best and Wales worse than in England.

      On Ofcom wanting BBC to justify new Scottish digital channel… well let’s just devolve BBC One Scotland in entirety.

    257. Dr Jim says:

      Why should Scotland take part in another Euroref we voted to remain already, is our settled will of our people not to be respected again!

      If everybody eligible to vote in Scotland still voted to remain all over again and England voted to leave all over again again the only thing that proves is that Scotlands votes don’t F…..g count…again!

      Proving beyond any shadow of doubt Scotland should be Independent again!

    258. heedtracker says:

      As my Slovne girlfriend talks shit to the Holyrood parliament he wants to close down, her fellow traveller of the UKOK right makes a bigger splash

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/nigel-farage-architect-of-brexit-calls-for-second-referendum

    259. Nicola Sturgeon has never said or called for a second EU referendum to be held.

    260. K1 says:

      All it is not what it seems if Farage is backing another EU ref. He decided he spoke for the Brexiteers if you recall from last week sometime. So it would seem the establishment are bent on overturning the vote. If Farage is being given air time, and there will be more of this, on repeating his EU2ref, then it’s a foregone conclusion that it’s on the cards.

      Remember they must hold on to Scotland at all costs. Also, the sector breakdown papers that don’t exist but do exist will have shown the real devastation on the way after Breixit…without Scotland, England cannot stand. So of course there’s going to be another one and they will present it in parliament as a vote on the ‘terms of Brexit’ and push for Remain on the back of that.

      They will think they have ‘killed’ the Indyref2 prospect by doing so…if we are still in the EU they will say there is now no need for a second indyref. We know that Brexit is not the ’cause’ or ‘need’ for independence, but it has played a major part in reigniting the debate and they will also know that the support for Independence is increasing the nearer to Brexit deal we get.

      What will be interetsing in light of Farage’s intervention is whether he really does speak for the Brexiteers? He’s now become a ‘Remoaner’ the very thing he has been slagging off since they ‘won’.

      —————————————–

      You know when Scotland’s politics are engaging when the first text ye get in the from yer pal is ‘Cracking FMQ’.

    261. heedtracker says:

      One more for lunch and again, as my Slovene girlfriend talks shit to the Holyrood parliament he wants to close down, his toryboy colleagues are up to all kinds of toryboy bullshit in Europe. Why the fcuk does anyone vote toryboy?

      https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-10/europe-has-completely-turned-the-tables-on-brexit

      “Davis’s letter shows that he considered suing the EU over these recommendations but received legal advice not to do it. Instead, he wants to push the European Commission to withdraw the recommendations and encourage U.K.-based companies to lobby against them.

      But there’s no reason for the EU to pull back. As European Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said on Tuesday, the EU is “surprised that the United Kingdom is surprised that we are preparing for a scenario announced by the U.K. government itself.”

    262. Famois15 says:

      In Metro letters today.

      “As a man who drinks his pint of Guinness with a straw,I’m outraged at the SNP MSP Kate Forbes’ attempt to ban them!”

      Perhaps a paper straw ?

    263. galamcennalath says:

      Dr Jim says:

      Why should Scotland take part in another Euroref

      Exactly. The only reason we will have one is because it is forced on us by events in England. And , as you say, if England votes Leave again they will try and force that on us too.

      To my knowledge, no one in Scotland is specifically pushing for another EURef, yet that isn’t the way the msm frame it …. Me @ 12:28

    264. HandandShrimp says:

      Having over-egged the pudding I see the very BBC have a Scotland doing better than England NHS story. That will no doubt inflame the SiU regulars on HYS but no comments as yet.

      At the moment the SiU types are ranting about fake news regarding litter on the beaches and any need for legislation to reduce plastic waste…Got to give them their due, they tick every Col Blimp reactionary box with gusto.

    265. Interesting story in the Huffpost about patients ‘Dying In Corridors’ As A&E Waiting Times Reach The Worst Level On Record.

      I wonder how Ruth Davidson will defend her party’s health record in England?

    266. ronnie anderson says:

      Lisa Cunningham shared a link.
      12 mins
      Ally Browne was the guy who was reported by the BBC to have gone home from the hospital with a brken ankle because of the supposed long waiting times in the NHS.

      well I happened to follow a few leads & you will be surprised what I found out. He is a unionist activist, His tweet link also directed me to a FB website “United Against Separation”
      Posters in that site are also accosiated with “Scotland in Union”

      https://randompublicjournal.com/…/fact-checking-broken-an…/…

      There was a bill iin the house of Lords yesterday re the British transport police that has been amalgamated into the Scottish police force, “though different unit from the ordinary police”
      It seems United Against Separation had sent letters to people “lords” in the HOL to see if the British Transport Police could be taken back from the Scottish governmet & have it reserved yet again to WM.
      Lord Foulkes toook them up on it & put a bill forward in the HOL yesterday. He wanted to remove that power from SG.
      As the video I’ve put up shows, he withdrew it & it didn’t go to a vote.

      You will all have to be on the look out for Sites like United Against Seperation & Scotland in Union undermining your achieving independence. It looks like you should be watching what the unionist sites are doing, as well as what the political unionist parties are up to in Scotland.

      http://parliamentlive.tv/…/1ecb447f-fe8e-4d40-a4fe-b03fe645…

    267. geeo says:

      Nicola on fire during FMQ’s today (just watched it)

      Absolute slaughter of the morons today!!

      It should feel bad to cheers such a beasting of clearly inept people, but i have to admit it is a joy to behold.

    268. Kerly says:

      Unfortunately had to visit a&e twice over holiday period both times told there was a 4 hour wait both times out in 3 hours ( forth valley)

    269. Cactus says:

      Thanks again to all the teachers, police, carers and drivers.

      You’ll never hear it from a unionist politician, but yous all do an excellent job.

      Cheers Scotland.

    270. manandboy says:

      For the record:

      Andrew Parker is the current Director General of MI5, the British security service.

      Sir Alex Younger, is the head of MI6, the UK secret intelligence service.

      Jeremy Fleming is head of GCHQ, the UK’s surveillance agency.

      Donalda MacKinnon is head of BBC Scotland, the British State Propaganda and Brainwashing service for Scotland.

    271. Gary45% says:

      Any guesses which garbage Col Blimp will get to spout uninterrupted on GM Shortbread tomorrow morning.
      “What’s the point?” Rennie got away with questioning his parties “misdemeanours” this morning, nae doot Blimp will get off “Yoon Free”
      Got the chance to listen to FMQs on the wireless. “Classic”
      Nicola 20 the rest 0.

    272. schrodingers cat says:

      ot
      **BREAKING** currently UK driving licences are recognized EU wide under DIR2/2006/126/EC. If we leave they will no longer be.
      No touring hols, transport disruption.

    273. North chiel says:

      Stark news for all “ better together” no voters in today’s
      “ London Labour mouthpiece” the Daily “ Record” . Baroness Altmann ( former Tory pensions minister” ) warns that the “ national insurance fund” which pays the U.K. state pension will “ run dry” by the mid 2030’s . To redress this national insurance payments will have to increase and/or the state pension age will have to rise ( again) and/or the state pension will have to be reduced.
      Of course the objective of the Tory government with the auto enrollment of all workers over 18 into employer pension schemes is none other than to “ means test” the state pension and as soon as is practically possible “ abolish” the state pension for all but a few individuals who would have been unable to work during their life time probably principally for medical reasons .
      So much for Gordon Broon and his “ scare the pensioners diatrade “ during the referendum campaign . The state pension in the U.K. has never been under more threat of its very existence than under this Westminster government . This should be a principal message to our elderly Scottish residents ( and middle aged forthcoming retirees during the forthcoming Indyref2 campaign. Our FM should provide vital reassurance to Scottish residents that under independence
      a non negotiable commitment to a “ decent & fair “ Scottish state pension will be included as a legal right under statute via our Holyrood parliament to all our residents . The repatriation of all Scottish national insurance payments made during the working lives of all Scots to the U.K. treasury attributable to individual pensions at retirement date should be included in the “ divorce settlement” to be negotiated.

    274. galamcennalath says:

      A thought, provoked by all the msm garbage. Probably not the most original, but hey ho.

      We independenistas usually believe pro independence and anti Union publicity is the right tack.

      Perhaps we should take a leaf from the NO/Unionist camp?

      Their approach has increasing become one of anti Scotland and anti anything Scottish propaganda. The objective is clear – spread the idea that Scotland is shite, everything Scottish is shite, and we are incompetent as a nation. We need their Union to do everything for us.

      Why not the opposite? Leaflets, articles, billboards, letters, comments etc etc., which celebrate the many things we get right and which are positive. Short catch phrases work best. (Again the Unionists are perhaps better as sound bites.)

      How about a picture of people who have clearly had hospital treatment saying, “Thank you NHS Scotland”

      Or, a picture of the Queenferry Crossing with, “Scots can do anything!”

      Or, a new graduate in cloak, “Thank you Scotland for educating me!”

      Or, a kid with an ’16 today’ badge, “Thank you Scotland, for giving me a vote”

      Or, someone getting the keys to their affordable home. Or collecting free prescriptions. Or the baby box.

      Remind everyone, regardless of politics that there are already many good and positive things to say about Scotland. And of course it suggested the opposite of the Yoon message – Scotland can do it!

    275. galamcennalath says:

      schrodingers cat says:

      UK driving licences are recognized EU wide … If we leave they will no longer be.

      Indeed. I remember getting a special International Driving License thingy to drive in Europe.

      Also, car insurance is now EU wide, I believe. Didn’t used to be.

    276. SeanW92 says:

      @ galamcennalath

      I have found my self thinking similarly although different, a campaign highlighting how shite the Union is. I imagine a poster of suffering, perhaps the aftermath of a British bombing campaign with a big butchers apron on it captioned “You Yes yet?” – the possibilities are endless.

    277. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie Anderson –

      Splendid work there!

      Ye’re a veritable beagle so ye are.

      😉

    278. Robert Graham says:

      Labours current clown Lenard takes stupidity to a whole new level ,

      As does the the questions put the the first minister, e.g. A polis station in Edinburgh not following advertised opening times , a bus operator putting up fares , Patrick the green having a go at the only administration in the U.K. Leading the fight against environmental pollution , Patrick appears to believe that the SNP have every power on earth to do what he wants ,

      Wullie what a f/n clown more suited to be in charge of a Boy Scout troop even then it’s debatable whether he could keep control .

      All demands for money for this or that by these Unionist clowns should be answered with a simple A4 sheet of paper highlighting the One Billion Pounds interest payments on failed PFI contracts entered into by these Unionist parties , as usual all Unionist parties believe the SNP are responsible for all problems caused by their own failures .

    279. heedtracker says:

      Also, car insurance is now EU wide, I believe. Didn’t used to be.

      You have to tell your insurer that you are going to the EU. Or direct line rules say so.

    280. yesindyref2 says:

      @Macart
      And the Claim of Right 1689 which Wolffe introduced into the Miller Appeal.

      Yes, I think the timing was both delicate and precise, earlier and Mundell & Co could have panicked and made sure the 111 amendments were passed.

    281. Jack Murphy says:

      ronnie anderson began his post at 1:52pm today:
      “Ally Browne was the guy who was reported by the BBC to have gone home from the hospital with a brken ankle because of the supposed long waiting times in the NHS.

      well I happened to follow a few leads & you will be surprised what I found out. He is a unionist activist, His tweet link also directed me to a FB website “United Against Separation”
      Posters in that site are also accosiated with “Scotland in Union”

      https://randompublicjournal.com/…/fact-checking-broken-an…/
      That link seems to have gone down.
      Here’s another way in 🙂

      https://randompublicjournal.com/2018/01/10/fact-checking-broken-ankle-boy/

    282. ronnie anderson says:

      Ian Brotherhood Ah beagle lol am barking mad sometimes Lisa Cunninghams our New Zealand contributor on Scot2.scot

    283. Macart says:

      @Yesindyref2

      Shhhhh! Keep it under your hat though.

      Let’s not spoil the surprise. 😉

    284. Dan Huil says:

      Don’t pay the bbc tax. Let britnats pay for britnat propaganda.

    285. ronnie anderson says:

      Jack Murphy . Alan Browne as interview Is all kinds of wrong & again today we hear with Mr Wilson it was a Nurse who said he shouldn’t be discharged . Shona Robison’s dept should be following up on both these cases if it smells iffy its iffy , clearly in the case of Browne its a put up jobby by the Bbc & any investigation would expose that as such . Hospitals have Records of arrivals discharges & treatments in between .

    286. manandboy says:

      Propofol is the drug usually used to anaesthetise a patient before an operation. The patient feels no pain and has no memory of the operation.

      Propaganda, aka a lie, is ‘the drug’ used by Westminster to obtain the same effect.

      The difference in Government use is that the operation will earn them a lot of money but will do the patient (us) no good. For example, Austerity, we were told, would take care of the National Debt. But what happened? Public services were slashed, tax breaks were given to the rich, and the debt doubled. And continues to this minute.

      Propofol is administered by injection, while propaganda mainly uses television.

      So if you watch a lot of TV, you probably won’t feel anything and won’t have a clue about what this Tory Government is actually doing.

      Operation Establishment Greed with Power Grab.

      Woken up yet?

    287. Roger Hyam says:

      “figures described today as a disgrace” – by whom? This is really crap journalism. Unattributed accusations broadcast on national media.

    288. jfngw says:

      @galamcennalath

      Agreed we need some balance in reporting of Scotland, the continued negativity is intended to sap the moral of the nation. The SNHS has been under constant attack from the BBC for weeks, destroy the moral and you destroy the performance level.

      Strangely no better example of this than BBC Scotland, it has lost the confidence of most except the diehard unionist I suspect. Even my wife, who takes little interest in politic, has noticed the bias in their reporting.

    289. Dr Jim says:

      Labour will always come up with individual cases of “failure”
      whether true or not, it’s not about facts it’s about getting it repeated on the news and in the papers even when most of the time these “individual cases” turn out to be plants it doesn’t matter because you’ll never see or hear the retraction or apology by Labour or the media because their job is to get the misinformation out there

      The media is beginning to look more and more desperate when they run these stories and even Toodle ooh the Noo’s “Chums” are finding it difficult to toe the BBC line no matter how much the BBC is paying them to do it

      Re Robbie Dinwoody in the post FMQs was red faced with embarrassement trying to satisfy Toodle oos leading questions whereas Libby thingy from the Guardian just blatantly goes along with it coz she hates the SNP so good money for her

      The thing that bothers me about the post match FMQs is why do we need somebody to tell us that what we just saw for ourselves was not what we saw, and then the BBC uses our money to tell us we don’t understand english so they’ll translate it into BBC language (lies)

      Penioners don’t watch FMQs anyway and the Unionists who the BBC are trying to convince that the FMs Baad are running between the Bookies and the pub tripping over their knuckles and only speak or understand the gutteral dialects of football insults that they learned from their Dahs who they left in the pub to write the next bookies line coz he went tae school waanst

      Too insulting? Meh, I don’t care

    290. yesindyref2 says:

      @Macart
      I actually seriously never know whether to post such things or not, but on the other hand if any of them pay attention, it keeps them stirred up and confused.

      Confusion to one’s enemies!

    291. geeo says:

      Dicky Leonard…FMQ’s.

      “The SNP are really really BAD, like awfully really BAD, so BAD they give BAD a BAD name…that’s how really really BAD the SNP are…BADDIEST BAD everer”.

      FM. Aye…ok then, someone help Dicky back into his seat…NEXT please !!

      Thats what i watched anyway…!
      ……………

      Continuity Bill. Pure genius!!

      Create a legal dispute as to where the powers DIRECTLY go to…then use legal case to nail down Sovereignty of the Scots people.

      Once you do that, you prove sovereign Scottish people were subjugated by WM (england) over brexit referendum and hey presto, the Act/Treaties of Union have been breached and the Union declared OVER pending a simple representitive majority vote at Holyrood…!!

      Jobs a good ‘un.

      Or have i misunderstood things ?

    292. Fred says:

      Off Topic but important! SINGLE PENSIONERS, are you, or is a parent, getting the “Warm Homes Discount!” from your power company. You have to apply for this, they don’t advertise it. Just short of £150, either apply to the Pension Service or, if ineligible, directly to your power supplier where it might be called the Broader Group Scheme. Too late for this winter I think but apply online in July to your supplier.

    293. wull2 says:

      Anyone got a link to this week Alex Salmond Show on RT

      The more ways we get the truth out, whether it be TV, Internet, Radio or person to person, it makes it harder to stop/block than just one source.

    294. Robert Graham says:

      Well said Manandboy exactly the method being used by Westmonster .

      On a slightly different note but as it involves a Tory it’s not too o/t , I was searching for the clip of Dr Philippa Whitford MP and her exchange in Westminster putting right misconceptions regarding waiting times in Scotland and the different way times were compiled in comparison with England ,

      Anyway I couldn’t find it but came across a MOD Procurement debate in which the part time Ref was involved in , it was a very mature considerate debate right up to the point this torn arse started his spiteful rant , and managed some how to steer the debate 360 and calling the Scottish budget the NAT Tax making Scotland the highest taxed part of the uk , and questioning the MP for South Dumbartonshires motives in questioning the promise of aircraft yet to be delivered to RAF Lossiemouth , Ross took an intervention during his rant and was also then questioned by another SNP MP on the promised 13 Frigates that never materialised , no reply , rant continued this to the embarrassment of the Tory minister who was acutely doing ok until the rabid Ross poisoned his well , what a snivelling scabby article ,this is and watching his spiteful rant I thought if this article was in my vicinity and within reach I don’t think I could control the red mist and unkind thoughts that would emerge , sorry me Laud I was provoked would be my answer to the judge .

    295. gus1940 says:

      I see that Toodloo Taylor is cultivating a Trump hairstyle.

    296. heedtracker says:

      Looks like WoS has a stinky olde The Graun ligger/viewer. Or, how UKOK broadsheet hacks troll their Scotland region,

      Scotland
      Thursday
      11 January 2018

      http://archive.is/bqSUN

      Relationships
      Lovable or rogue? Britons admit confusion about romantic gestures
      Adults say they avoid romance for fear of being cheesy, as survey gives many traditional acts of chivalry thumbs down

      Is this really ALL that happens in their Scotland region this week?

    297. heedtracker says:

      Awe, even NY NY has a state pension fund.

      http://archive.is/F7g6T

      “Smart money has been pouring into renewables; dumb money has stuck with fossil fuel, even as it underperformed markets for the last half-decade. Just two months ago Norway’s vast sovereign wealth fund began to divest, which was a pretty good signal: if even an oil industry stalwart thought the game was up, they were probably right.”

      Wish Scotland had renewables and oil too, so that the rich could bilk us all for the profits, they get oil and gas and wind, we get the soil. Or how teamGB works.

    298. Colin Alexander says:

      “Scotland’s A&E units performed better than those in England in December, despite some of the worst figures on record, a BBC analysis has found”.

      “Even the worst week was better than the total December figure for England”.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42648951

    299. mike cassidy says:

      Robert Graham 4.06

      The Whiteford link was posted way up this thread.

      http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4105a3ef-4613-46d2-bd4e-9677b083a4b7

      From 14.09

    300. geeo says:

      Coco trying desperately to convince us he is not a unionist trolling twat…(he must have forgot his recent rantings against SNP and indy).

      Here is a link within his link. (Archived for obvious reasons)
      http://archive.is/QYWrx

    301. heedtracker says:

      Thepnr says:
      11 January, 2018 at 4:02 pm
      @wull2

      Alex Salmond show, here you go.

      Great interview. Its really weird listening to tv about Dundee, or the east of Scotland, that’s not got beeb gimp bile dripping all over it.

      Although, Labour did destroy Dundee’s Firth of Tay frontage so whatever you do, never visit the living nightmare that is Aberdeen’s sea front, completely destroyed by yoon SLabour nutters, who are absolutely determined to never give up control of Aberdeen, until its all been destroyed.

      https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news/22112017-aberdeen-art-gallery-redevelopment-delayed-by-a-year

      Why? because yoons are in charge, red and blue tory, so shut it.

    302. Thepnr says:

      @geeo

      The loser has lost, realises the game is up and must change strategy in order to win back trust. He’s a f/k joke ignore the prat.

    303. Hamish100 says:

      So the Ruthie Davidson show is on the go with BBC. Why did the First Minister get interviewed first this week? Overtaken by police Scotland etc. What was her message? Lost. Wise up snp

    304. Robert Graham says:

      Apologies for continuing with this fkr Ross , I think the SNP should urge members and YES supporters in Mr Rosses constituency to apply for relief from the massive hike in taxes that is about to be applied, this combined with a unprecedented cut in government subsidies and support , supporters and those who voted for this slim ball will no doubt be pleased with the introduction of Westminster rules , that includes paying for prescriptions , bridge tolls if relevant in short you wanted it so suck it up , once this constituency is attended to work should be started on the other Tory voting constituencies let’s make the fkrs squeal till the pips squeak . You want Tory polices no f/n problem coming right up , with the cash raised we can cut taxes for everyone else .

    305. heedtracker says:

      “Even the worst week was better than the total December figure for England”.

      It was Colin A, but as a ferociuos anti SNP guy, do you think this kind of anti SNP BBC Scotland political campaign will get the SNP out by May 2021?

      It does seem quite a long way away doesn’t it but it would be great to hear someone as anti SNP as you Colin A, what you think the end game will be, when the beeb Scotland do get the SNP out, who will be the next Scots gov and FM,

      Who do you favour Colin A, seeing as you fear and loath the SNP so hard?

    306. Robert Graham says:

      Thanks for the link Mike

    307. Calum McKay says:

      OT – Fancy that?

      EU to hold britain to fishing quotas during Brexit transition

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/eu-to-hold-britain-to-fishing-quotas-during-brexit-transition

      “The EU’s plan means britain would essentially be leaving the CFP in name only, senior EU diplomats concede. The issue was discussed at a meeting of diplomats in Brussels on Wednesday and will be discussed again next week.

      Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fishing Federation, said it would be “absolutely unacceptable” for the UK to be kept in the CFP framework over a two-year transition period.”

      In North East of Scotland the whole of the tories 2017 GE focused on taking back control of fishing.

      Those with half a brain said the tories would sell the fishermen down the river.

      Why is Bertie Armstrong complaining, he was told not to trust the tories, but……

      It’s stated this is for the Brexit transition period, only a fool would believe it would end then – enter Bertie!

    308. Robert Graham says:

      o/t Excellent clear no nonsense speaker and totally dismissive of any political shenanigans by immature Tory detractors, they simply don’t have the sense or the courage to contradict her when she is in full flow , Dr Philippa Whitford a candidate surely if needed as leader of the SNP in the English parliament , The Tory MPs who followed her in the debate looked shifty and shallow desperately trying to follow their prepared speeches littered with political spin .

    309. Andy-B says:

      World Economic Forum, praises the new Forth bridge.

      But Scotland’s opposition MSP’s and unionist media did everything in its powers to blacken and rundown the bridge, the builders, and the SNP as we all know too well.

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/15820174.Trump_can_learn_from_Queensferry_Crossing/

    310. Giving Goose says:

      At Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, Flu has hit hard.
      Most wards are effected, with beds occupied by patients suffering from Flu.
      Staff have been hit, which obviously impacts on their ability to deliver services, but they still deliver!
      And there are 3 different strains of Flu hitting the building. That cannot be predicted.

    311. Ken500 says:

      Bertie Armstrong is a Tory

      Nothing about over fishing the seas and throwing dead fish for years. Instead of using bigger nets. Like Norway. Multimillionaires. Pleading povrrty. Blaming the SNP for irresponsible Westminster unionist policies with which the SNP did not agree. Ignorance beyond belief. People will not go into fishing because of the poor dangerous conditions and absences. If there is an alternative. The value of fishing on Brexit could be £200Million. The Scottish economy will lose £8Billion. The NE will be the worst hit.

    312. Cactus says:

      Aff-topic to begin with, if you please…

      Radio says that they’re all getting scared because of ONE new tv channel, saying that it may compete in fair competition or summin’ like that ahhh ha ha ha, I wonder what they’re really up to…

      That kinda sets a benchmark for fresh new broadcasting in Scotland eh?

      Wae can only dae it by being ur ain Caledonia.

      100 FREE Scotland tv channels+ 😉

      Talking Scotland up.

    313. PictAtRandom says:

      For what it’s worth: Brent crude futures have pushed above $70 for the first time since Dec. 2014.

      Wonder what that means in the world of UKcreative accountancy?

    314. Andy-B says:

      STV news going all out to do down our NHS and the Scottish government. A third of the programmes airtime has been used to get their propaganda out.

      Chair of Scottish Television Holdings, and Labour peer, Baroness Margaret Ford, will be pleased.

    315. yesindyref2 says:

      If I was Sturgeon and on TV being asked about the NHS I’d take out a letter and read it: “The NHS is perfect, wonderful, fantastic, and the Scottish Government is brilliant”.

      And then as Sarah Smith was saying “That’s not what we heard”, I’d look her in the eye and say “My letter was from an SNP activist, I’m sure the BBC wouldn’t take a complaint from an anti-SNP activist without telling us that, would you Sarah?”.

      Probably just as well I’m not Sturgeon.

    316. Gary45% says:

      And still they don’t get it.
      The Yoon media,( BBBC, S “hit” T.V.) and associated press, continually berate the Police, SNHS, and wonder why the population are leaving the “empire media news outlets” in droves.
      HELL MEND THEM.
      I will do the “Thatcher dance” on their demise.

    317. Macart says:

      Just so LabConLib policy wonks, meeja types and mad yoon zoomers know?

      Your appalling treatment of our services. Your attempt to use them as political cannon fodder. All of your current strategy of demonisation is well below your usual level low. You know it. We know it and apparently your usual audience is even becoming aware of it.

      Tick tock. Not long now.

      https://twitter.com/GMDonald/status/951503403838033921

      https://thoughtcontrolscotland.com/2017/01/10/shock-news-reporting-scotland-is-now-watched-regularly-by-less-than-5-1-in-20-of-scots-and-good-morning-scotland-is-listened-to-regularly-by-less-than-2-1-in-50/

    318. North chiel says:

      Ref.” Andy B @ 1830” , yes Colin Mackay continuing his anti SNP “ rant” , apparently Newtongrange is now located in the North of Scotland . I can understand the “ Orkney case” being appropriate for the “ STV” ( Grampian newsdesk). However, suggest Colin Mackay’s “ Newtongrange case “ is more relevant to “ Lowland” News studios ?? . How desperate the unionists in Holyrood and their “ mouthpieces” in the media have to highlight individual cases as regards the SNHS instead of the GENERAL SITUATION and statistics which shows our Health Service leading the UK quite significantly despite the Flu situation being markedly worse in our country.

    319. r esquierdo says:

      Ken whit I was one of the people who were sent to A@E last week. Seen within five minutes In a bed within twenty minutes and being treated with the drugs needed. In the five minutes I waited five others were assessed. Only one other patient was behind me. The efficiency at Ayr A@E was beyond excellent.

    320. Dan Huil says:

      When the book is written on Scotland regaining its independence a whole chapter will be needed to record the media’s anti-Scottish prejudice. Future generations will be sickened when reading about the britnat lies and propaganda which was used against the people of Scotland.

    321. Sinky says:

      In the interests of balance and context why did BBC / STV not display a graph showing the A & E performance of Scotland England and Wales? No mention of England’s latest figures was mentioned by our impartial broadcasters.

      Reason: that would confirm Nicola Strugeon’s point that Scotland’s NHS the best performing health service in the UK and we couldn’t have that could we?

      Also I rather doubt that anyone could survive lying bleeding for three hours as claimed by Richard Leonard.

    322. jfngw says:

      Blessed relief, watched The Alex Salmond Show rather than enduring Rep Scot. Noted that Brian Cox once met a man addicted to Irn Bru, any suggestions?

    323. Thepnr says:

      Why can’t Holyrood have a debate on the perceived bias of the UK media against Scotland? Probably no one on the opposition benches would turn up.

      Anyway I believe that UK media bias should be raised in Holyrood.

    324. yesindyref2 says:

      @Thepnr
      Maybe. But the media does get its knickers in a twist or, in the increasingly American rUK, panties in a bunch, because though it wants to do Scotland down, it also wants to do the NHS in England down, and at times it compares that unfavourably to Scotland.

      Which means anyone with half an eye open in Scotland can see the contradictions, lies basically, for themselves so with any luck and constant pointing out by us, it’s eating itself from the inside out.

      Drip drip.

    325. Dr Jim says:

      More people have the flu: Nicola Sturgeon comes under fire
      eh eh eh eh eh eh eh! whit?!

      STV going even more BBC than the BBC on the SNHS all Nicola Sturgeons fault story
      This reporting was so over the top by STV including huffs puffs and sighs as to be blatantly obvious what they’re up to, Independence is coming and they’re getting their retaliation in first

      It’s about time the SNHS stepped up to the plate and made a statement about what the media are doing here with their political football misrepresentations of the truth and back the SNP who’ve backed them to the hilt in every way possible

      That is unless they want the combined Unionist party back to running things the way they used to, and that is, into the ground

      The SNHS should think back a bit before the SNP to the facilities they didn’t have under the control of the Unionists

      Even Labours Lord George Ffoukes says the SNP do things better deliberately and he’s an Arse

    326. Colin Alexander says:

      Heedtracker

      Try to keep up with me, please.

      I prefer to concentrate on independence, instead of party politics. Especially with indyref coming up ( so I’ve been assured by people on here, so it must be true).

      Thus, for me, whether anyone loves or loathes the SNP is irrelevant. Thus, I have no agenda with regard to party politics.

      It’s Scotland and her people I’m campaigning for.

      Scotland can be a successful independent country; the quality of public services and general standard of living could improve for many people, if people chose independence and if Scotland then adopted better policies and practices than we currently have under WM Govt and WM devolution.

    327. Thepnr says:

      Concentrate on Independence… What a hamshank.

    328. yesindyref2 says:

      What was the name of that stooge of Saruman’s in Lord of the Rings, whose job was to sap the strength of King Théoden of Rohan?

      Ah yes, Gríma Wormtongue.

      Where’s Gandalf when you need him?

    329. Robert Graham says:

      Who you gonna call to implement yer policies Colin ? , Ghostbusters or maybe the UN , now you try and keep up , listen closely , there is only one vehicle available and it’s called the SNP .

      So away and bile yer heed it’s becoming tedious watching yer crap taking up space .

    330. Ken500 says:

      Still no mention of the Tories cutting NHS funding £4Billion a year. From 2015 to 2020. When it should have risen. For the elderly and inflation. They put in £2Billion. A sticking plaster for the English A &,E.

      Nicola/SNP Gov increased the funding. Mitigated it. Put in more.

    331. twathater says:

      Gus 1940 @12.23
      Re bed blocking perhaps Miss McMad could be reminded which party was in power when all the Convalescent and Geriatric Hospital were closed leading to the short lived Nursing Home Boom which created many millionaires but has now gone somewhat tits up.

      Gus i have been saying this for a long time , snatcher thatcher the TOLIE godless scum done away with Convalescent and Geriatric hospitals in favour of Care In The Community shite same with mental institutions ( d’ye no remember it Wullie did yir bus no go by ony )this was all done to introduce privatisation so that the VULTURES could profit from people’s misery , noo they same vultures are complaining they’re not making enough profit . My MILaw was in one about 7 years ago which cost £700 per wk then god knows what it cost now .

      Poor nursing home owners you’ve got to feel sorry for them awe they cheap paid furrin workers going hame it’s no fair , mibees the colonel or maybot will sort it oot

      As for liebour they condoned ,nodded through or abstained on every vote to protect the welfare system which in my mind makes them even bigger scum and parasites

    332. mr thms says:

      Well done NHS Scotland..

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42648951

      “Last month, BBC analysis of NHS data showed that Scotland had constantly performed better than England over the past three years.”

    333. heedtracker says:

      Colin Alexander says:
      11 January, 2018 at 7:37 pm
      Heedtracker

      Try to keep up with me, please.

      I prefer to concentrate on independence, instead of party politics.

      They’re one and the same Colin A, as you know full well. WoS is a politics and media blog, that’s why people read it, and go btl too.

      So its a simple question Colin A, as a ferocious anti SNP guy, do you think this kind of anti SNP BBC Scotland political campaign, will get the SNP out by May 2021?

      and Colin A, you’ve only ever monstered the SNP, btl WoS, no other party, which is fine but you know, keeping up with you is not the prob.

      Running you over and leaving a squished yoon behind, is the actual thing isn’t it Colin A.

    334. John H. says:

      By accident I caught the beginning of BBC’s main news at 6pm tonight. First we got some sort of truth about how the (English) health service was struggling through the flu crisis. People dying in hospital corridors etc. This was followed by blatant lies about the SNHS and how it was in a worse state than in England. The Welsh NHS got much the same treatment.

      The English people can never be allowed to find out the truth about how badly they are served by their politicians, and every device must be used to prevent that from happening. If they ever did find out the truth, a lot of things might start to unravel. They might even end up with a better government. Meanwhile we are being used as whipping boys to make May and co. look less bad than they are.

    335. heedtracker says:

      Stars aligning for Scotland. Should be fun watching Lord Darling of Roulanish chunter on about volatility means Scots oil’s worthless, with Ian Wood lying through his billionaire ivories about it all running out, again!

      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/brent-crude-rockets-to-3-year-high-above-70.html

    336. yesindyref2 says:

      @mr thms
      Thanks, used that already.

      Nice graphic on this page about the 4 NHSes

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42255434

    337. Thepnr says:

      @mr thms

      Well done NHS Scotland

      Surprising it looks? Well maybe it’s the “Ally Browne” effect. They were caught with their pants down there.

    338. yesindyref2 says:

      From that BBC thing: “Some English regions were closer to the 95% target, such as the North East with 94.4%.

      Not bad for that “wasteland” as some Lordass described it – Lord Howell, former adviser to William Hague and George Osborne’s father-in-law. Well he can frack off.

    339. wull2 says:

      Absolutely no person would wish the flu on anybody, I had it 2 years ago, and believe me there is a difference between the flu and a bad cold.
      If it takes hold England as it has in Scotland, God help them in the next few weeks.

    340. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      mr thms @ 20:28,

      My mrs pointed out that web page to me this afternoon. Nice to see some kind of reality that we can recognise.

      I hardly ever watch the BBC TV news these days, but this piece hardly seems consonant with what John H. wrote @ 20:35.

      However the thought had already occurred to me when I first saw the page that there may be one truth for the internet (which can readily be fact-checked via sites like this) and another “truth” for TV viewers who have to be kept on board for the Union and who will not readily have access to alternate sources. Distortion by omission if nothing worse.

      (Oh, and has there been any apology from the Beeb yet on Sarah Smith’s egregious collapsing of a year into a week? Shurely shome mishtake that’s easily corrected without the need for the usual superficial analysis of a whole battery of complaints first…?)

    341. jfngw says:

      Beware Richard Leonard is now looking for SNHS victims. Perhaps you’ll get a cold call ‘We believe you have recently been the victim of poor SNHS treatment. If you want the Labour party to raise this issue please press 9 now. No callers from Wales accepted”.

    342. jfngw says:

      Also not sure what Richard ‘Citizen Smith’ Leonard ambitions are, to match Labours achievements with Wales NHS presumably.

      Pretty sure Labour leaders are now elected like reality TV, you keep voting in the complete arse because they are more entertaining.

    343. heedtracker says:

      jfngw says:
      11 January, 2018 at 9:07 pm
      Beware Richard Leonard is now looking for SNHS victims.

      Sounds like a grand opportunity to wind up this latest SLab effort.

      We had to drop off and wait at the local hospital lately and the staff were unbelievably kind, patient and gentle with everyone, especially the elderly.

      Then you turn on the beeb Scotland gimp network to watch sock puppets destroy them all.

      Its not good.

    344. jfngw says:

      Come on all you SiU letter writers, Labour are looking for stories, we know you are up to it. They don’t even have to be true as there is no way of confirming it without NHS breaking patient confidentiality.

      Next week ‘I have a letter from a Bill Stephenson who refuses to go to A&E because it is so bad, you just know it is without even attending’ Name disguised to protect the complainant.

    345. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      jfngw @ 21:07,

      I’m just waiting for that call. I caught flu while I was in hospital recovering from an op and was put in a single-bed isolation room instead of being let home. I was shattered when told, and just wanted my mum.

      (OK, it was during the 1957 flu epidemic, but we won’t let that minor quibble bother us, will we, Tricky Dicky? It’s SNPbaad about everything since the beginning of recorded time anyway, isn’t it?)

      Maybe people will soon be willing to vote for indy if only just to get this set of moaning minnies to shut up…!

    346. Terry says:

      Radio 4 today at 1.45. Conflict and Cooperation – a History of Trade. The Irish contributor referred to the ‘island of England’. The so called intellectual station let this pass. We pay for this drivel.

      We simply don’t exist.

    347. Marcia says:

      BBC News highlighting the dreadful state of the NHS – In England.Will they drag our NHS into it?

    348. yesindyref2 says:

      So in 2 hours or less on The National, Scott Walter (perhaps as in Walter Scott) has his postings go from flat 0 to 24 on some, a little lower on others. Nothing to do with SiU of course.

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/15820115.SNP_is_fighting_to_stop_Brexit_____but_protecting_Scotland___s_interests/?action=success#comments-feedback-anchor

      They, or someone, do the same on Herald threads.

    349. Gary45% says:

      A wee light on the subject of GMS/ Rep Shortbread.
      A friend( Tory voting Nae Sayer),I had a wee conversation with him the other day, I mentioned Radio Shortbread and their total bias towards everything Yoon. He replied ” BBC Radio Scotland is SHITE, who listens to it?” I must say it surprised me.
      Forget the phone calls about PPI/ Tripped up on a blade of grass?, it will all be SNP Baaad from SLabs Dick Lennon.
      Should make a good advert with the big fanny N. Findlay dressed up in a nurses uniform and gimp mask.

    350. Gary45% says:

      Under cooked your turkey at Christmas and shat you’re pants? call Slab and speak to Dick Lennon he will get you top dollar in compensation from the SNP.( its always Nicolas fault, so it is).
      You get the picture.

    351. jfngw says:

      Labour desperate to stop comparison with Wales. the one where the Labour led administration oversees more over 12 hour waits in one month than the total for the year in Scotland.

      They seem to think just calling people nationalist will cover up their abysmal record in Wales and close down any comparison. They are in a hole but want to keep on digging.

    352. Robert Peffers says:

      “@Scotland’s NHS is not in the poor state the English NHS is in, but that does not mean we can continue “as is” for much longer, all indicators point to this being the case.”

      Which may or may not be the case – the only current evidence clearly shows that even in an unprecedented situation, where the current year’s ‘flu jag is rather more ineffective than is usually the case, the system, albeit with a great deal of heroic efforts by our wonderful SNHS staff, coped very well indeed.

      I am classed as vulnerable, and have not suffered the ‘flu for decades because of the jag, yet I caught the ‘flu this year. I was in quite dire straits but toughed it out rather than bother the SNHS or local GP during the Winter Festival.

      Such ‘flu epidemics are unlikely to again be problematic for several more decades. The fact is the SG is funded by a Barnet calculated Block Grant but they are not forced to spend that portion calculated by the Barnet Formula on the SNHS. They choose to spend quite a bit more than that allotted sum on the SNHS. They are, though, restrained by the, extremely unfair to Scotland, Barnet Formula.

      Do not be fooled by Westminster claims that Scots get extra per capita funding. Any unionist who claims this claptrap is either a deliberate liar or ignorant of what the Barnet Formula is designed to do – and it sure as hell is not rocket science to understand.

      Quite simply when Westminster decided was forced to grant devolution to the four countries of the United Kingdom it was, even in concept, a wrong idea as the United Kingdom is legally composed of only two Kingdoms and the Kingdom of England itself contained three distinct countries. So the UK is legally a bipartite union of kingdoms, (as its name asserts).

      However, Westminster decided to split the two kingdom partnership along the lines of countries instead of the actual component kingdoms. Furthermore, they were stupid enough to think that the United Kingdom was a unified Country – arrant nonsense because it is obviously called a Kingdom.

      Anyhow they decided to only devolve three countries of the four – this indicates their idiocy believing the United Kingdom was the country of England renamed – it isn’t. So, in effect they were setting up Westminster as the de facto parliament of the Country of England and thus devolving the sovereign powers of England, that Westminster doesn’t legally have to the three other countries of the United KINGDOM.

      What is more they decided that each devolved administration should have different things devolved to each of them but, of course there was no devolved powers for England because, (in their minds), the UK was England.

      Now ask yourself wherefrom were these powers being devolved to three of the four countries? The answer is they were functions of the United Kingdom Government. i.e. from Westminster Ministries and you cannot devolve a ministerial function without also devolving the funds from the Westminster Ministry to run the function.

      So if effect what Westminster did was assume itself to be the parliament of the country of England, (that they still today fund as the United Kingdom), directly with United Kingdom funds but as each devolved administration has different levels of devolved functions then they must, per se, have different per capita levels of funding.

      So that hoary old claim that the Scots unfairly get extra per capita funds is not only hogwash but in fact the country that has most devolved functions is Northern Ireland but you never hear that being mentioned – now do you?

      Devolution is an illegal farce.

      Thing is Barnet’s Formula is calculated in relation to what is spent per capita on England directly but Westminster classes many things as National Assets and directly funds them but these are invariably, and almost exclusively, based in London b and the South East but are not factored into the Barnet Formula and so Scotland, N.I and Wales pay for London and English assets but get little or no benefits from them.

    353. Rock says:

      Colin Alexander,

      “Especially with indyref coming up”

      Please do not make sick jokes here.

      I can say with 100% confidence that Saint Theresa is not going to give permission to Nicola to hold another referendum before Brexit has been completed.

      I can say with 99% confidence that Nicola will not dare defy Saint Theresa.

      Which means, in my humble opinion, there is a 1% chance of a second independence referendum being held before Brexit has been completed.

      After Brexit has been completed, Scotland will be at the mercy of the Westminster government, with no official status in the EU other than a region of the UK.

      There is 0% chance of winning a referendum held after Brexit has been completed for the next 620 years.

    354. Every Red and Blue Tory and BBC hack in Scotland will be out there chasing Ambulances tonight or hanging about outside A&E`s wallowing in citizens pain and misery hoping for a Scot NHS disaster,

      the degenerate scum will be outside A&E`s quizzing people at their most vulnerable looking for a headline Scot NHSbad/SNPbad story,

      Scot NHS staff should be getting honoured and praised by press and all political parties for a magnificent team effort in the most punishing and demanding of circumstances,

      instead they get stabbed in the heart by the likes of Leonard,Murray,Lennon,Tomkins and BBC Smith.

    355. Morgatron says:

      Jabba (honk – honk)Baillie is a bed blocker. She stands at the ward door and ye cant get past the big fatty.

    356. Davie Oga says:

      Gary45% says:
      11 January, 2018 at 10:51 pm
      Under cooked your turkey at Christmas and shat you’re pants?

      Sources close to Richard Leonard say that %99 of people who regularly shit themselves would consider returning to Labour.

    357. louis.b.argyll says:

      Morgatron..
      What was the point in saying that?

    358. Morgatron says:

      Louis.b.argyll
      Because I felt like saying it!

    359. Meg merrilees says:

      Robert Graham@ 4.06 pm

      Link to Philippa Whitford’s speech in H.O.C. Yesterday.
      http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4105a3ef-4613-46d2-bd4e-9677b083a4b7

      listen in at 14.09.

    360. Bob Mack says:

      Hello Mr leonard, .I broke a fingernail whilst chopping wood.
      Such is my lack of confidence in the Scottish NHS, I went to a local vet instead where I received excellent care, a pat on the head, and two “good boy” drops as a treat.

      The SNP drove me to this woof soof

    361. geeo says:

      @morgatron.

      Why on earth would you make a comment about Jackie Baillie being fat, when you could have been a grown up and mentioned her inability to count, her being a compulsive liar and suffering from a severe dose of cognitive dissonance ?

      If you want to insult people, even horrible people, based on appearance, do us decent folk a favour, take it elsewhere.

      See what you have done, made me defend Jackie Feckin Baillie…well done you…grrr!!!

    362. geeo says:

      Good grief, Alan Johnson on This Week just stated Scotland did not have a single knife death in 2017, not one !!

      I knew we were having success with our approach, but bloody hell, well done !

      Now….why has this just made the tv now, and on a joke politics show ?

      Johnson looking for new job tomorrow i take it ??

    363. heedtracker says:

      After Brexit has been completed, Scotland will be at the mercy of the Westminster government, with no official status in the EU other than a region of the UK.”

      That’s the status now Rock.

      Your relentless project fear nonsense would at least have some cred if anyone had the faintest idea what you torboys are up to with Brexit. No one knows what Brexit means yet, no one knows what Brexit will be, no one knows what’s going to happen on Brexit day, not a toryboy scoobie.

      But here you are ranting away at the First Minister and how shite she is at this.

      Is Scotland the only country plagued by yoon arsewipes like you Rock?

    364. Meg merrilees says:

      Scott Finlayson @ 11.59

      Here is the definition of what being ‘seen’ within 4 hours at A and E consists of:

      https://twitter.com/Dr_PhilippaW/status/950089572767191041

      This is the meaning in Scotland. In England the clock goes on when you arrive and then once you have been assessed, if you are being admitted, another clock is then started wile you are waiting on a trolley- so you could be on a trolley for 8 or more hours after having waited for 4 hours at A and E but their figure would not show that as a breach of the 4 hour target.
      Whereas in Scotland one clock starts when you arrive and the whole process should be completed within the 4 hours and you be discharged or admitted within the target time.

      Definitely comparing Apples and Pears.

    365. crazycat says:

      @ jfngw at 9.27

      I see you also remember the tweet from the professor (lower case deliberate) emeritus about her taking a “funny turn” in the street, her friends urging her to go to A&E, and her refusing on the grounds that the health service is worse than useless.

      Or are you just really good at second-guessing her?

    366. gus1940 says:

      I have commented previously on the number of Talking Heads from The Spectator who appear on BBC political programs in particular those featuring our old pal Brillo.

      True to form Brillo tonight on his weekly vanity spectacular has one James Delingpole who surprisingly is one of his underlings at – yes – The Spectator – a real loony of the swivel-headed variety singing the praises of The Orange Hitler.

    367. heedtracker says:

      See what you have done, made me defend Jackie Feckin Baillie…well done you…grrr!!!

      Fat gags are not on. But when it comes to SLabour slobs, I think it is.

      This whole SLab crew have spent most of my Scottish life telling Scotland and the world just how fat, drunk, chip and pie scoffing and just generally really unhealthy, we are. Scotland, the sick land of Europe, these ghastly SLab MP’s sneered at us, for decades too, giant Slab beer guts hanging over straining belts, in the Commons and the Lords.

      So when it comes to super SLab fatties, like Ballie and Bliar McDoublewhopperextreacheeze, fat gags are fine.

      Blair McDoughball made a very tasty fat living off it all too. And Blair in particular whines like a bitch, about being fat shamed.

      Karma:D

    368. Thepnr says:

      @Meg merrilees

      I think that the measurement of A&E waiting times is also the same in England.

      ForScotland:

      95% of all A&E patients should be admitted, discharged or transferred within four hours of arrival at an A&E department across NHS Scotland (including Minor Injury Units). This standard is seen as a milestone towards returning to the 98% standard. This is necessary to ensure that all patients receive the most appropriate treatment, intervention, support and services at the right time, in the right place by the right person.

      http://www.gov.scot/About/Performance/scotPerforms/NHSScotlandperformance/AE-LDP

      For England:

      The NHS Constitution sets out that a minimum of 95% of patients attending an A&E department should be admitted, transferred or discharged within 4 hours of their arrival. In December 2016, NHS Improvement announced that hospitals will soon be rated against a new A&E standard. The 95% target will remain a key performance indicator, but it will be combined with clinical standards and staff and patient experience metrics.

      http://www.qualitywatch.org.uk/indicator/ae-waiting-times

      It really shouldn’t be called “waiting times” but rather treatment time would be a better description.

    369. yesindyref2 says:

      I just had to put my blue bin out for collection.

      Would the NHS come and do it for me? Would they hell.

      Bloody useless.

    370. Robert Peffers says:

      @Colin Alexander says: 10 January, 2018 at 7:46 pm:

      “Same again? Do interviews with them, participate in rigged Q&A sessions with more plants than Glesga’s Botanic Gardens?
      Or what?”

      Correct, Colin, the answer is indeed, “What”, and we aren’t going to let such as you, Agent Alexander, know what the, “What”, is to be, or what it is not to be. What do you thing about that? Or what?

    371. Iain mhor says:

      Rock of Ages predict for me
      The percentages we will see
      Between Brexit and Indy2
      The odds are only known to you
      You are sure its ninety-nine
      Why don’t you put on a line

      Against Theresa there’s no hope
      Poor wee Nicola canny cope
      Sometimes a hundred and zero too
      All the odds are made by you
      Our guesses just make you groan
      Thou must predict and thou alone

      All together now…

      Nothing in your posts you bring
      The same old song you always sing
      The topic you don’t address
      With the thread you want to mess
      Should we laugh or should we cry
      You just seem a weird wee guy

      Maybe you are on the meth
      The same old stuff with every breath
      The future is all unknown
      Except for you upon your throne
      Rock of Ages produce for me…
      All our past quotes for us to see !

      I’ll get my coat…

    372. K1 says:

      Hahaha…Craig will love that won’t you Rock?

      Well done Iain 🙂

    373. Thepnr says:

      @Iain mhor

      Excellent, made me laugh 10/10 🙂

    374. Skintybroko says:

      North Chiel 11th 2:33 – you have hit the nail on the head re pension provision. Most of the “developed” world are in pension deficit with Uk being one of the largest, until we tackle public sector pensions this will not go away.

      All non public sector workers are now being pushed into company schemes which at current rates for the majority will not even echieve the state pension provision. Public sector Penisons on the other hand are generous in that regard. I don’t begrudge the majority of public sector pensions their pensions but we need to look at the bigger picture – Denmark bit the bullet three decades ago and everyone gets the same pension provision – their pension provisions are in surplus!

      Meanwhile our parliamentarians across the UK inc the Scottish Govt have superb pension provision that most of us would have to work over a hundred years to get anywhere near their pension payout.

      Time for a party to take a hard look at themselves first and start revising Pensions for the good of society and not just the few.

    375. yesindyref2 says:

      OT
      Bugger. Had a poster completely beat overall elsewhere, but made a mistake by reading the Czech Republic’s reserves as being in koruna not US dollars. Big difference! Didn’t even really need it to make the main argument.

      Czech, Czech and double-check or make a fool of yourself.

    376. Dr Jim says:

      Scotland owns 8+% of the UK, these are the facts and they are undisputed
      Post Independence the UK being unable to split the Armed forces and infrastructure already paid for by Scotland will pay a financial settlement to Scotland in recompence, these are the facts and they are undisputed

      Scotland can then if it wishes exclude access to all UK military movement in Scotlands waters and airspace, these are the facts and they are undisputed

      And that’s not to mention all or any maritime vessels Scotland chooses to exclude (fishing) should it so wish or other nations may pay for access, y’know just like any other normal trading nation

      Without listing everything else Scotland may choose to do when Independent the effects on the UK Government are clear for anyone to see, and that’s why the UK government is so hell bent and desperate to hold on to Scotland because we have something they don’t

      Location Location Location, these are the facts and they are undisputed

      The only people who don’t want to understand this are belligerent panicky idiot Yoons who think the English Empire still survives and their logic is proved to be inescapably flawed because if the UK thought they had the upper hand why then did they steal 6000 square miles of Scotlands waters (McCrone report) if they thought they would own Scotland in perpetuity (Lord Iain Lang in a letter to Margaret thatcher)

      These are the facts and every Unionist in power knows it
      the rest is white noise smoke and mirrors for the uninformed

      Brexit has locked England and Wales out of the world, Scotland only has to apply the Coup de Grass to leave them a lonely little province strait jacketed in a corner talking to itself about past greatness while the rest of the world moves on

      Personally I’m rather looking forward to Scotland winning the Eurovision song contest at the first try (not that the voting has ever been political or anything heh heh)

    377. sinky says:

      Good letter in Herald pointing out that much of A & E problems down to Labour Government allowing GPS to opt out of weekend patient cover in new contracts drawn up in 2004.

    378. yesindyref2 says:

      It’s so bloody annoying. The Czech Republic stuck in my mind some time ago, because its reserves shot up last year, and trebled since our referendum, and was always of interest because of its velvet divorce and launching its own currency virtually overnight (in weeks) after the currency union with Slovakia very quickly ran into trouble. Which showed how easy it is to actually launch a currency – and central bank.

      What it did was buy euros, issuing its own currency, and that was why it stuck in my mind, if our new currency was strong and getting too high, well, we buy currency to keep it down and build up our reserves at the same time (not quite as simple as that).

      So when I saw the reserves I was blind to the “USD” in the column on tradingeconomics, just saw Czech Republic and converted its koruna reserves which weren’t denominated in koruna at all!

      Sigh. Should have gone to specsavers.

    379. yesindyref2 says:

      “we buy currency to keep it down” by issuing domestic currency.

    380. Hamish100 says:

      Davidson on BBC radio from London. Doing a wee Tory fundraiser for her sacked chum greening and meeting May on Monday. ? With Mundell. Does she not work on Scotland anymore? Interview lightweight and with less interruptions. As the BBC wanted it Tories have last say.

    381. Macart says:

      So what have we learned about the media over the festive period? Anyone still reckon they are our fourth estate? Our watchdogs? Bear in mind the whole green ink gang thing and christmas box farce is only a snapshot. That’s just this year folks. They’ve been doing this to their own people forever. Mind you, I suppose they’d have to consider you ‘their own people’ so I suppose they have an out there as far they’re concerned.

      Mind you it really should have been a bit of a no brainer long before those fiascos. Their echo chamber bias has been anything but quiet. THAT’S RIGHT! I said ECHO CHAMBER, echo chamber, echo chamber echo chamb….

      Y’know, the very thing they accuse independence sites of being. For some reason they believe themselves above that trap. Thing is ANY, and I do mean ANY, publication digital or print attracts its own demographic. People who prefer to read or view the world through a certain window. They’re no different and they’re a LOT less honest about that fact is all. They put themselves on a pedestal and consider themselves above and beyond what? Public opinion of their efforts? A buyer’s right to tell you you’re talking a lot of self promoting, utterly compromised pish and spending their cash elsewhere?

      The media in general, but more specifically the Scottish media have a problem (tho certainly not with self image). These self proclaimed public watchdogs have been absent without leave on the interests of not a minor demographic, but half a nation. THAT is a disgrace and a shame they should never be allowed to forget! As people are put in literal harms way because they’ve been TOLD to lose faith in their public services. As half a nation is demonised and put in harms way because people have been encouraged to hate and alienate. When it’s done in the name of political agenda du jour, (see under Christmas box), then it’s pretty obvious the only thing they are safeguarding is their own interests.

      Bottom line is they certainly do not appear to act as ALL the public’s fourth estate or watchdog. For all the world, it appears they act as such only for some.

      If sites like Wings, WGD, Common Green, Bella and publications like iScot, video production like Phantom Power are echo chambers, then at least I trust them to watch out for my interests and care about the things I do. I see no reason to trust or support the journalism of what is laughably called the mainstream media.

      S’up to them of course. They could change that perception in a heartbeat. I doubt they will…, but they could.

    382. starlaw says:

      watched BBC News at Ten last night, and was horrified at the state Englands hospitals were in, with people dying in corridors and lying on trolleys for hours, and it got worse ….Shame on the Scottish opposition politicians and MSM trying to belittle our NHS and hard working sorely pressed staff, you have exposed yourselves for the cretins you are, this will not be forgotten

    383. McDuff says:

      Dr Jim

      Good post.

    384. Sinky says:

      Surprised that there has not been more condemnation of the Daily Mail’s disgusting harassment of the family of the 18 year old from Applecross who tragically died from flu.

      Noticed Union Jacket Ian Murray having a go at Daily Mail over Virgin Train ban. What a hypocrite when he used a two page spread in Daily Mail to savage his SNP opponent in run up to 2015 General election.

    385. stu mac says:

      @yesindyref2 says:
      11 January, 2018 at 8:56 pm
      From that BBC thing: “Some English regions were closer to the 95% target, such as the North East with 94.4%.”
      =============================================

      I would guess that would be at least in part due to the part-privatisation and infestation with PFIs has gone a lot less further in the North than in the South/London. We are lucky the SNP came in when they did to cut short the PFI contracts that were in the pipeline up here – unfortunately not in time to stop all of them. Still how bad would things be if a unionist alliance was still running things in Scotland.

    386. Les Wilson says:

      The media are going batshit crazy, because they feel they may be losing in their constant degradation of all things Scottish.
      I know that if you say something long enough people will believe it, probably true in the past and for decreasing less and less so.

      However this must give a negative view of the media when the people start to realise just who they are dealing with, and the reasons they do what they do, and say what they do. More important they are against our values, and MOST of us really do value those, and are more likely to turn away from their constant anti Scottish drivel.

      Scots who were not aware are questioning the media cabal now, social media having a big negative for the cabal, and try as they may, they do not realise most of us, I stress MOST of us, now see them for what they are. A mob of rabid hounds with nowhere else to go, due to orders from Westminster.

    387. Dr Jim says:

      2nd Euro ref

      Nicola Sturgeon once again playing a blinder on this by not opposing it

      If there were to be a second Euroref and Scotland again voted to remain but England voted to leave it would clearly show that Scotlands votes don’t count so a second Indyref would be irresistable (precedent)

      If however no Euroref is to be held and the final deal shows how dreadful it would be for Scotland, which is looking the more likely, a second Indyref again would be inevitable and the only people left to oppose Scottish Independence would be the diehard sectarianists and racists
      and there are now not enough of them

      So win win for Nicola and Scotland

      Nicola the velocirapter, our clever girl hunting down the slower brained dinosaurs

    388. jfngw says:

      @stu mac

      Did the BBC mention some Scottish regions have exceeded the 95%, haven’t checked but I suspect not.

    389. ronnie anderson says:

      O/T theorkneynews.scot/2018/01/12/farming-matters-boiling-a-frog/T .

    390. Colin Alexander says:

      Robert Peffers

      The BBC being welcomed to the SNP conference – and even having a stall at the SNP conference – already tells me about the relationship between the SNP and BBC.

      Nicola Sturgeon writing for the (The Vow) Daily Record and the Evening Times. Both titles rabidly anti-SNP, anti-independence titles.

      I think I know the answer about how the SNP will deal with the anti-independence media. Same as usual: give them full credibility, cooperation and support.

      That’s up to the SNP what they do. They’ve made their choice.

      The SNP have decided who to get into bed with. That’s their choice, so I have no comment on that.

    391. Ken500 says:

      The Tories cut the NHS £4Billion ayear from 2015 till 2020. They are trying to privatise services so they can line their pockets even further. They are trying to cut tax and cut essential services. People will end up pay more for less, The burden will fall on the poorer. Cut tax for the wealthiest.

      The Tories have cut NHS £4Billion a year from 2015 to 2020. £20Billion to give tax cuts to the wealthiest (them). They are trying to make people pay for it. Privatise it. They have put in £2Billion. Had to. They should have put in more funding. Increased it for the elderly and inflation. The SNP Scottish Gov mitigated the cuts and put in more. Minimum price will help healthcare funding. May 2018. Finally. Plus another IndyRef soon,

      Why do people wait hours for ambulances for non emergencies. Then complaining. Instead of taking the person in a taxi or a car. If the Hospital is not too far away, If they believe they need urgent treatment. If they think it is an emergency. Or wait for a G Doc extra cover appointment. They show themselves to be fundamentally lacking in common sense. Then they highlight it seeking publicity. Often to settle political scores. Totally inappropriately to use health problems in such a way. Despicable.

      Doctors surgeries are closed for two weeks at the Christmas period. Surely bigger surgeries could provide soon form of skeleton temporary cover. Especially if they are not going away. Two or three days on a volunteer rotation. At the busiest colder, dark time of year. Would that be such a burden to help their colleagues. No one grudges the medical profession their holidays. Other profession/occupations have to stagger hours at the busiest times. Manage workload better. The S/BMA was asked if they wanted more doctors or more money. They chose more money. This is not a criticism of Doctors or the medical profession who are brilliant. Just an observation.

      The Tories are cutting welfare £3Billion a year. Over six years. £18Billion.

      The Tory/LibDem coalition cut education £6Billion a year. £3Billion a year half will never be paid back Just be a burden on the poorer. Most of their lives. Letting loan companies make profits for the poorer. To line them and their associates pockets.

      Total £13 Billion a year.

      The Tories are spending £30Billion a year on Trident, HS2, Hinkley Point, Heathrow. All a total waste of money with more credible feasible alternatives. At half the cost. It would be a saving of £15Billion a year. Total gross mismanagement of public funds. Gross incompetence to line the Tories and their associates pockets with £Billions of public money. Chinese -British consortium. The Tory slush fund. Cameron, Carrington et al making £Millions out of public money. Wasting £Billions.

      Scotland loses £Billions from Westminster unionist gross mismanagement of Scottish funds. £20Billion from Westminster mismanagement and misappropriation. Scotland loses £Billions which could be saved or better spent growing the Scottish economy. Just a disgrace.

      If there are less beds in hospitals?? Probably not Tory distortion of figures. More funds were put into social care so people could stay in they own homes. Desirable and more economical. This saves money on the heathcard bill. If it is integrated. If unionist councils allocate the money where it is intended. Instead of sythoning it off on non mandated grotesque projects of no value, No one wants. Illegally. Many of them should be in the dock or the stocks. They are a laughing stock. Useless and incompetent.

    392. Rookiescot says:

      I see the Guardian has simply stopped allowing comments on articles about Scotland.
      I take it from this that Carrol has become jaded with his propaganda being torn apart by comments.

    393. Dr Jim says:

      The Troll’s obviously never been to a SNP conference has he Robert

      Not a scooby!

    394. HandandShrimp says:

      No real surprise regarding the Daily Vile’s behaviour. They are leeches on the backside of humanity.

      The Australian Flu bug is a worry though. It looks like it will cause a fair bit of misery and distress.

    395. Capella says:

      All of a sudden – a year after the BBC announces it will ditch the “Scottish Six” but instead have a “Scottish Channel” – OFCOM decides to investigate whether it will be allowed to proceed. They will let the BBC know by 11th July. The BBC say they were going to start broadcasting in the autumn.

      Broadcasting regulator Ofcom has said the BBC’s plans for a new TV channel for Scotland have the potential to harm “fair and effective” competition.

      Fair and effective competition

      OFCOM will be too busy assessing the potential for fair and effective competition, a process which will take them 6 months, to look into our complaints about Sarah Smith’s inaccurate NHS report till after the summer.

      What a fiasco this entire episode has been. Can it possibly get worse?.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42646000

    396. There are more people getting flu vaccination yet more people getting flu,

      what`s that all about.

    397. HandandShrimp says:

      RookieScot

      The Guardian is a place where it is increasingly difficult to post comment full stop. It started with the Scotland section but it seems to be spreading. I find I spend less and less time on the Guardian site…every story is either no comments or comments were opened so briefly that by the time I see it comments are closed.

      The Guardian used to be a dynamic, fun site, now it is as dull as ditch water.

    398. Ken500 says:

      Davidson gets invite on when they can find no other reps. They are all in hiding. Davidson tries to do the bit to cover up from a distance. It doesn’t work. Too many people in Scotland have got her sussed as people in the south will realise. The unionists will do anything for publicity to line their pockets. A disgraceful carry on. The Tories are falling apart. Falling over themselves unsuccessfully to try and apportion the blame. Being seen through. The majority do not support May. Just a case of how long they struggle on before they collapse in complete array. In terminal decline. The unionist sycophants, The psycho bastards. They could not make a better mess. Thank goodness for the SNP Gov in Scotland. Standing up for Scotland.

    399. manandboy says:

      The BBC is Scotland’s principal lie producer.

      It’s HQ at Pacific Quay is simply a lie factory. It’s Director is one Donalda MacKinnon, Scotland’s liar-in-chief and Scotland-hater.
      She also hates publicity which is sometimes a sign of someone who is living a double life, like for example, a propagandist and Scottish Government saboteur, masquerading as a public-service broadcaster and upstanding member of Scottish society.

      Lying – the British Establishment depends on it.

    400. jfngw says:

      I see the new project fear slogan is being prepared early, ‘It is disingenuous to say No means out and Yes means in, when actually the opposite is true. No means we are stay in, we are a member of the UK single market (fictitious)’.

      I love it when they use the same argument to support both leaving the EU and leaving the UK but with opposite conclusions. The Cerebus continuum.

    401. ronnie anderson says:

      Iain mhor Big Tammy doff ma manny . Its poets of note that float ma boat lol .

    402. mike cassidy says:

      Dr Jim 10.16

      re euroref2

      What if a Euroref2 vote in effect brings a stop to brexit?

      What price an indyref2 then?

    403. HandandShrimp says:

      Euroref2, if it happens, will be interesting. Would the EU let us come back and pick up all the old opt outs or would it be a total reset?

      I think Farage may be trying to stir it a bit as the Brexiteers are getting increasingly frustrated by the incompetent dithering of the Conservatives.

      We live in very interesting times.

    404. heedtracker says:

      Lying – the British Establishment depends on it.

      Its just a very tory world this teamGB. Look at CV’s of the great and unelected good, what make all the big UKOK decisions, like how hard their beeb gimp network will take down SNP Scots gov for example by 2021 for example.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rona_Fairhead,_Baroness_Fairhead

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-minister-for-trade-and-export-promotion-starts-at-the-department-for-international-trade

      Baroness who took over the beeb gimp network from Lord Chris Patten, hoofed out of office a long time ago, by the good voters of Bath was it, made Imperial Master baiter of Hong Kong by extra extra Lordy John Major, or as they say, the right sort, in charge of their beeb.

      Little, er, issues about Baroness Fairhead at HSBC, airbrushed out of teamGB records, because that’s why they call it the BBC Trust, not the BBC Shyste.

    405. Ken500 says:

      The Guardian has £1Billion in reserves. Decksing lisses, Pleading poverty trying to get folk to give a £1. Says it all really. Sooking up to wealthy advertisers and supporting corrupt politicians for funds. The Guardian has lost its way of impartiality and truth. The late owners must be Turing in their graves. They forsaked £Millions of profit for a constition which could be independent.

      The only MSM paper of any independence of editorial. Now a MSM sychopath. Cameron/Clegg put in the robocops to trash the newsroom and threaten the Editor with jail, for telling the truth. Major changes were made. Now it follows the Westminster party line a high proportion of the time. No longer liberal. Fair or equal. The Oxbridge sycophants have taken over, To break even.

      Calls for Leveson being revisited Hancock a total waste of time will block it. The recommendations were never implemented, so Westminster unionists could continue to control the Press. Secret ‘D’ notices etc. The criminal Press and Westminster stooges. To line their own pockets even further with misinformation when they can. Greedy and dishonesty. Thank goodness for the Internet. To check the facts and shared information.

      The most contaminated, affluent rubbish is in Westminster. Extravagant lucre, largesse of monumental proportions. Lying chancers,

    406. From my understanding of what I have read, getting the flu jab doesn’t guarantee you won’t get the flu.
      It reduces the worst effects of the flu virus you have been inoculated for.

      Also there are different strains of flu viruses.

    407. Dr Jim says:

      @mike cassidy

      The precedent of having a second Euroref will have been set so a 2nd Scottish referendum cannot be resisted or denied whether Brexit wins or loses in anybodies favour

      Whether you vote leave or remain in principle the result has no bearing

    408. Lenny Hartley says:

      Scot Finlayson, re flu vaccinations, the chief medical officer was on the radio explaining the other day. The experts get together every year and pick the strain of Flu most likely to cause an epidemic, they make a vaccination ,thats how it is picked , it is not guaranteed to be the correct vaccine for whatever strain is prevelent in our Country. I presume it could be that without the vaccinations we would be in the middle of a major pandemic or that the strain has mutated and the vaccine does not work for the latter. Time will tell when they do the analysis.

    409. galamcennalath says:

      Dr Jim says

      Nicola the velocirapter, our clever girl hunting down the slower brained dinosaurs

      Very good. A fair analogy!

      Yes. Another EURef is largely irrelevant to Scotland, it’s what happens in England that matters.

      I can’t imagine there will be one where Full Remain is an option. They will piss around with Leave options IMO.

      They vote Hard Leave, we have IndyRef2. As you say, it does strengthen our case.

      They don’t get a vote and still have a Hard Leave, we have IndyRef2.

      The only threat to IndyRef2 actually taking place are from a ‘Norway’ style single market deal.

    410. heedtracker says:

      So you have a torygirl like the Baroness here, shaking just another toryboy by the hand, after her glorious reign at the BBC, which is today a shithole/tory triumph, for the 21st C of UKOKness.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-minister-for-trade-and-export-promotion-starts-at-the-department-for-international-trade

      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions?CMP=share_btn_tw

      Fairhead is no longer chair of HSBC’s audit committee but continues to juggle a role at HSBC with her BBC duties, currently serving as chair of the bank’s North American division.

      The BBC Trust said: “Rona Fairhead has made absolutely clear that she prioritises her role as chairman of the BBC Trust and her other roles do not present any conflict of interest.

      The dates vary but the shyste doesn’t.

      mmm, tasty, so very toryboy tasty.

      HSBC’s Swiss private bank:

      • Routinely allowed clients to withdraw bricks of cash, often in foreign currencies of little use in Switzerland.

      • Aggressively marketed schemes likely to enable wealthy clients to avoid European taxes.

      • Colluded with some clients to conceal undeclared “black” accounts from their domestic tax authorities.

      • Provided accounts to international criminals, corrupt businessmen and other high-risk individuals.

      The HSBC files, which cover the period 2005-2007, amount to the biggest banking leak in history, shedding light on some 30,000 accounts holding almost $120bn (£78bn) of assets.”

      So who else do you give top UK gov jobs, but exact same shysters that run all of the above, and ofcourse they run the beeb gimp network too, right up to their half a billion quid glass mausoleum of SNP bad, Govan.

      Ofcourse none of these tory reprobates have ever seen their name on a planet toryboy ballot paper.

      But it is fun to imagine a UKOK zone that is an actual democracy, and that the Lords is merely a rest home for lifer MP’s too.

    411. Mungo says:

      Off topic but thought it would be good to share SNP’s response to my question copied from a comment left on Derek Batemans site by tartanfever
      The comment read,
      I feel let down by the SNP reaction to our media, particularly the BBC. Here’s why.

      The SNP capitulation to play the game and not call it out for what it is lets down the whole independence movement. They are representatives of the wider Independence movement being given the opportunity to be interviewed and get inside the media bubble, yet often during the independence campaign they simply sat looking stunned. I felt let down by their Press and Comms dept.

      ‘An independent Scotland will give us the opportunity….’ was heard everyday on the BBC – a five second soundbite to counter a two minute attack piece from a multitude of sources.

      Alex Salmond said the thing he found most shocking of all during the campaign was the actions of the BBC, yet what have we learned ? We still hear the same formatted answers being trolled out daily.

      It’s boring and frankly, a second referendum will be lost due to hostile media campaigns. If you think last time was bad, you ain’t seen anything. Expect to see much worse next time.

      Countering it is so easy.

      Firstly, realise your position.

      How many people were persuaded to vote for independence by newspapers and the TV ?

      I’ll say a big fat 0. So you’ve got nothing to lose.

      Secondly, just attack the lies.

      For example

      Brian Taylor announced on Reporting Scotland that the Tories won the 2017 GE in Scotland but lost in England. Of course, the exact opposite was the truth. The first person from the SNP to appear on any BBC station after that should have just started going on about Brian Taylor.

      ‘Before I answer your question Mr Brewer, Miss Adams etc, can I just ask for your take on your BBC colleague Brian Taylor’s incredible claim that the Tories won the GE in Scotland ? ‘

      It’s not rude, but it is disruptive. The BBC have two choices, they either answer your question (because you don’t let up on it) or they stop interviewing SNP figures for stories and their claim of impartiality soon falls flat and they have a major problem.

      When you are on the air, you own that 10 second clip. It is your’s to use. That’s a fundamental shift in perspective and thinking. Therefore, common sense dictates that you would give a 10 second answer to any question given, because thats all the BBC will broadcast.

      Nicola Sturgeon did this once. After Alex Salmond had his interview with Andre Neil, the one on EU advice not being released where Neil talked all over him, Nicolas Sturgeon then did an interview with Gordon Brewer some days late and just talked all over his questions. The sound mix was a nightmare because the BBC desperately tried to edit is to look like a ‘normal’ interview, which it wasn’t. It was utterly glorious.

      More of this please. Stop playing their game because that helps no-one, it only reinforces their position.

      The official SNP response was …..

      Thank you for getting in touch Mungo.

      We live in the digital age and the media convergence that has taken place in recent years continues to impact on how people access, understand and share news. In the SNP we have embraced this.

      In terms of traditional media, and on the issue of bias, perceived or otherwise, we are continuing to work with broadcasters and media outlets – many of which include websites and newspapers who are not bound by impartiality in any way or form – with the aim of presenting a coherent, clear and positive message for Scotland.

      We recognise that some of our members and supporters get frustrated by some broadcast media coverage. Rest assured – we always contact broadcasters and ask them to correct any factual inaccuracies. Where necessary we take this further. We do this in a robust but respectful and cooperative manner.

      If you are active online and are a Twitter or Facebook user, and keen to help share our positive message, then please do.

      Yours for Scotland,
      SNP team

    412. ScotsRenewables says:

      Well, the BBC did finally publish an article showing things are better in Scottish A&Es than in England:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42648951

      Hard to find unless you have the URL, but slightly encouraging nonetheless?

    413. Robert Peffers says:

      @heedtracker says:12 January, 2018 at 12:02 am:

      ” … No one knows what Brexit means yet, no one knows what Brexit will be, no one knows what’s going to happen on Brexit day, not a toryboy scoobie.”

      I think that is just untrue, heedtracker.

      The EU and EC have both been implacable in all of their statements both to the media, to the Brexiteers and within the EU parliament and the EC bureaucracy.

      It all translates to their oft repeated statement, “The UK cannot cherry-pick what parts of the EU treaty they wish to retain or reject.”

      Unlike the, laughably titled, UK journalists I read that for what it is actually saying and not what Theresa May, the Westminster Establishment and the United Kingdom media and their trolls seem to think it means.

      The phrase, “cherry-pick”, is defined in dictionaries as:-

      cherry-pick – verb – to pick only the best people or things from a group, so that only people or things that are less good remain.

      Now I may not be the best in the World at understanding what English language words mean, but like many others whose native language is not the English language, (I spoke only Lowland Scots until my first day at the nearest village school), I had to be very careful or I was subjected to quite severe physical punishment with, at best, the Lochgelly Tawse, at worst any of the mainly heavy solid wooden implements that schoolrooms contained in those days. Blackboard dusters, blackboard pointers and blackboard rulers were frequently dispatched pupilwards by the dominies of that era.

      It got that the Lochgelly became of little consequence to me and I began to deliberately goad the dominie by using a Scots word at least once in every lesson. For example I would reply, “Aye”, if answering in the affirmative then walk to the teacher’s high chair with hand outstretched for the inevitable punishment.

      I often also waited for the dominie to yell at me to come and be punished and on being called would reply, “Aye! Aye!, Sir. Thus rubbing in the fact that the expression was indeed part of the English lexicon.

      So just what do the EU/EC mean?

      They mean that either the United Kingdom accept all of the EU treaty as is or they reject it altogether. i.e. they either remain or leave without any form of deal.

      So correct me if I’m wrong?

    414. Giving Goose says:

      Re Peter McCulloch

      As I said earlier in this thread, I can confirm that there are currently 3 strains of Flu identified at Raigmore Hospital , Inverness. Flu victims are both members of the public and members of NHS staff.

      No doubt that’s the fault of the SNP, who, as we all know, are indulging in biological warfare from their secret laboratory located under a mountain near Achnasheen.

    415. hackalumpoff says:

      Ronnie Anderson @ 10:21
      Excellent find, well worth reading

      https://theorkneynews.scot/2018/01/12/farming-matters-boiling-a-frog/

    416. galamcennalath says:

      HandandShrimp says:

      Farage may be trying to stir it a bit as the Brexiteers are getting increasingly frustrated by the incompetent dithering of the Conservatives.

      Indeed. Polls show a large majority believe the Tories are making a bad job of implementing Brexit.

      However, stating the obvious, this group contains opposite viewpoints. Remain folks who just think anything Brexit is bad. Plus ‘true’ Leavers who are pissed off at the idea of retaining so many ties.

      And that latter group is being represented by Farage et al. They argue that when England chose Leave, they meant it. Which is why he says he would support anothe EURef, to confirm that.

      So far, the phase one outcome will not have pleased them. Large payment and Ireland necessitating some sort of free access. No doubt they hate the idea of ongoing payments, or customs union, etc which Canada Plus would imply.

      The issue the English have with the EU simply won’t go away unless Brexit is hard.

      Any soft deal will be seen as temporary by ‘true’ Brexiteers. The EU won’t allow that short term outcome. Hard it will be.

    417. @heedtracker

      UK Democracy,

      Head of State, unelected,

      House of Lords, unelected,

      Government that wants Henry VIII powers to bypass scrutiny by Parliament,

      we also have https://tinyurl.com/ydg4xv6y

      Government Lead Non-Executive’s, these are non elected business men/woman that are attached to each department of Government controlled by Sir Ian Cheshire who was assistant to Ernest Saunders during the illegal Guinness takeover of Scottish firm Distillers.

    418. Dr Jim says:

      @galamcennalath

      This is only a guess but I don’t see the Norwegians getting too cuddly with the UK knowing that a pro vote on Scottish independence would see a more convenient strategic and logistical deal for Scotland and Norway and subsequently the EU, plus the EU wont want to give the UK easy back door access to undermine EU trade

      But as I say, a guess, my knowledge of International trade is as thin as the next guys plus I also feel that much of what happens post Brexit (should it happen) will be as much governed by personalities and bruised egos even if they don’t own up to them

      There is quite a strong feeling in Europe amongst the public and some politicians that they want to kick England rather hard when they’re down and keep them that way till they learn some manners Angela Merkel and Macron for two, and they’re the big dogs in Europe

      If that’s the case all I can say is, it’s about time somebody did and maybe over time the English voter will start to get a grip of what useless articles are leading them by the nose and follow Scotlands example of how to do proper democracy where the government serves the people and not the other way round

      Jeez listen to me eh I’ll be writing constitutions next

    419. Ken500 says:

      The flu jab doses not affect some strains of flu, It does not mitigate all/new strains that come along. That is why more people can get flu despite an increased up take of flu jab. The ‘crisis’ will subside because the Doctor’s surgeries are now in full operation. Not shut. Return to more normality.

    420. @Giving Goose
      12 January, 2018 at 11:21 am

      It wouldn’t surprise me to see Labour, Tories and Libdems Trying to and blame the SNP for the flu.
      But then I don’t put anything past these britnat scum.

      And wasn’t it Sarwar who tried to claim that the SNP were using the winter conditions and the flu as an excuse for it not meeting its waiting time targets?

      I wonder if he has to say now to the family of the young girl who has died from the flu?

      If I remember Shona Robison rightly slapped him down when He also attempted to criticise the Scottish Government for not giving a flu jab for a particular strain of flu?

      I haven’t had the flu jab and am okay, but I know people who have had it and feel some symptoms of the flu.
      Others I know who are at work and are really struggling with it.

      One of them is a woman who has had it before christmas, and has tried everything, her doctor won’t give her
      antibiotics as its a virus.

      Hopefully she recovers from it soon.

    421. gus1940 says:

      The ever so royalist BBC seem to be unable to distinguish between The St Edward Crown only used in the crowning ceremony at Coronations and The Imperial State Crown used on other occasions such as The State Opening of Parliament.

    422. mike cassidy says:

      Re euroref2

      If its on, I’m not convinced it will be a purely binary choice

      eg vote ‘yes’ for this agreement

      vote ‘no’ for a hard brexit

      If the leavers are foolish enough to campaign for a Euroref2 to speed up exiting, there’s no way the remainers will meekly pass up the chance to have a ‘leave or stay’ option in there.

      And if the remainers win out, the ‘change of circumstances’ justification for indyref2 goes out the window.

      Being replaced by saying –

      You got a second go, so we should get a second go as well.

      Not such a strong justification if you are hoping to tip indyref2 in your favour.

    423. Bobp says:

      O/t one of the best posts I read in wings last year, and which sticks in my mind, was an analogy on Scottish nationalists and unionists. ‘re the pre American civil war era before slavery was abolished. Someone likened the nationalists to field negro slaves,And the scottish unionists to house negro slaves. The house negros were treated a little better than their field counterparts, and therefore didn’t want those uppity field ‘niggahs’ shouting about rights and freedom,And risk bringing down the wrath of ‘masta ‘ on all of them because ‘masta ‘gave the house ‘niggahs’the scraps from his table and the rags that he had outworn. So house negroes of Scotland,throw of your shackles, don’t be frightened of your ‘masta ‘(england) anymore. You can be free men and women.

    424. Indy 2019 says:

      New Year wish is for the SNP to show a bit more teeth.

      Too timid.

      Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!

    425. heedtracker says:

      Scot Finlayson says:
      12 January, 2018 at 11:43 am
      @heedtracker

      UK Democracy,

      Head of State, unelected,

      House of Lords, unelected,

      Government that wants Henry VIII powers to bypass scrutiny by Parliament,

      Yes Scot, all of which neatly sums up the how and why our imperial masters despised the EU so hard, so hard, we’re now out.

      Even an ancient fascist like Murdoch, let alone the owners of the beeb gimp network, had absolutely NO way of dictating to the several hundred million people that make up the European Union, let alone dictating how they vote. It must have driven them nuts, as the EU grows more and more liberal progressive by the year.

      UKOK media wise, all they’ve really been able to do for decades now, is just endlessly not report EU stuff in their UK zone, endlessly monster the EU, for us saps in their UK zone and now its finally all over for us saps, as EU citizens. And now they all flat out lie about what an amazing and brilliant success planet toryboy is making of Brexit.

      BBC r4 tory roasters for example, are currently boosting up Orange Hitler and monstering the living shit out of Angela Merkel. Merkel’s hardly a trot but she is a success, making the EU a success and that’s just not on, for planet toryboy what owns this ickle wickle Trump worshiping tory island of tory Britishness.

      Ofcourse, beeb gimp wise, its all SNP bad, non existent. The real tragedy ofcourse for all of us today, watching whatever the hell it is Corbyn stands for, as that crew try to chase after the great English middle class Daily Heil vote.

      Their CV’s are very impressive, like the Baroness up there, but any old twat can be a beeb gimp, you do not have to be private school, Oxbridge, City spivery at all.

    426. Ken500 says:

      Farague is just a crook. He should have been censored or charged and contained in prison. He should never been allowed to do what he did. A total hypocritical criminal. Sythoning off public funds. A charlatan in every way. Supported by the grandees of the Tory party. He is worried as the chaos of the Brexit unfolds he will become even more notorious and isolated. Even his offshored affairs might become more scrutinised and investigated. Like some of his illegal donors.

      The only reason the Tories unionist and their associates want out of the EU is so that they can keep tax evading. Sythoning off £Billions of public money on grotesque projects of no value for their wealthy supporters and donors. Tax evading. They are despicable. Useless, dangerous and incompetent. Ruining the UK/world economy. No equality or justice. Making the world a dangerous, unstable place. Creating worry and unhappiness.

    427. Ken500 says:

      @ Ronnie Anderson et al

      Thanks for the links, informative.

      Nana has gone AWOL. Sore hands, understandable. Hope she is OK healthwise.

      Thanks for all the effort, Nana if you are out there. Keeping in touch. Thanks once again. For all you do. Thanks to everyone. Especially Rev Stu. For keeping people informed.

    428. Capella says:

      @ Bobp – you may be thinking of the Malcolm x speech on the House Negro v the Field Negro. Excellent – 2 mins

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Jmw5o9ulA

    429. Bobp says:

      Capella. Its certainly a brilliant analogy.

    430. galamcennalath says:

      Dr Jim says

      EU wont want to give the UK easy back door access to undermine EU trade

      Yes, I think the EU’s best offer will be a Canada type trade deal. Goods only.

      And no Plus bit. Services left in the cold.

      strong feeling in Europe amongst the public and some politicians that they want to kick England

      Given the history of Perfidious Albion, that’s human nature!

      The overriding aim must be, IMO, to make sure Leaving the EU is not seen as a good move.

    431. Robert Peffers says:

      @Colin Alexander says:12 January, 2018 at 10:21 am:

      “The BBC being welcomed to the SNP conference – and even having a stall at the SNP conference – already tells me about the relationship between the SNP and BBC.”

      Aye! Colin, but what it tells you is not other than what you want yourself to believe and what you believe is just the usual pish you persist in posting here on Wings.

      “Nicola Sturgeon writing for the (The Vow) Daily Record and the Evening Times. Both titles rabidly anti-SNP, anti-independence titles.”

      So, apparently you seem to imagine that you can achieve a good result by NOT interacting with the opposition. Let me quote you a few examples of, (claimed), opposite political factions interacting with each other that presumably you also imagine should not occur:- Westminster Commons; Westminster Lords; both of USA’s legislative houses of congress. Also by extension a few of those where no interaction with opposition parties are allowed. North Korea, The Kremlin, China – got the message, Colin?

      “I think I know the answer about how the SNP will deal with the anti-independence media. Same as usual: give them full credibility, cooperation and support.”

      You do know what, “Thought”, did – or do you, Colin?

      ‘Though’, thought he had farted – but, ‘though’, had shit himself.

      You make even less sense than Rock, or any others of the false flag unionists faction here on Wings.

      I’ve hardly ever come across a less logically thinking set of nutters outside of those old fashioned institutions they used to have to keep people safe from themselves.

    432. heedtracker says:

      So correct me if I’m wrong?

      Rab, its not that you’re wrong, its that forecasting what the Brexit coming is, is almost impossible. It looks like the Norway style European Economic Area , EFTA membership’s coming. But then look at how hard our tory masters do NOT want to Leave the EU free trade zone.

      Its total chaos. But its tory total chaos and as we all know, beeb gimp network makes all tory chaos look perfectly fine and dandy.

      Imagine the beeb gimp fury at an SNP gov stumbling around Germany this week, like what the toryboy’s have been doing, pleading, begging, lying and sneering, at Germany.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/15/philip-hammond-suggests-uk-outside-single-market-could-become-tax-haven

      Frankfurt’s the next City of London, in the EU. Lovely place too.

    433. jfngw says:

      I see the Herald journalists are circling the Wings twitter account like a pack of attack dogs rather than the watchdogs they think they are.

      They could of course had investigate the question raised rather than just ridicule it. After all is that not what they claim to do, explain complex subjects in a manner understandable to the public. But the seem to prefer a ‘crisis’, ‘suspended’, ‘meltdown’, type headline with little actual facts.

    434. galamcennalath says:

      @Scot Finlayson
      @heedtracker

      UK ‘Democracy’. The UK must be the most undemcratic country in the developed world, certainly in the EU.

      It as always surprised me that the EU allowed such a poor level of democracy with a member.

      The antiquated FPTP system allows governments to gain a majority of seats with only ~35% of the vote. And individual MPs to be elected with ~25% of the vote.

      The configuration within the HoC NEVER reflects the expressed will of voters. (The LibDem-Con coalition could be said to represent a majority of voters. However no LibDem policies were actually implemented.)

      Power is always wielded by an unrepresentative minority.

      Then there is the ‘minor’ issue of clerics having guaranteed seats. Only Iran also has such a legislature.

    435. stu mac says:

      @jfngw says:
      12 January, 2018 at 10:16 am
      @stu mac
      Did the BBC mention some Scottish regions have exceeded the 95%, haven’t checked but I suspect not.
      ================================

      It was a comparison between “Home counties”/London and other regions. The regions will have their problems but I’m guessing won’t have gone as far down the road of PFI/privatisation. Could be wrong but it seems an obvious reason to me. Of course all parts of the UK including Scotland have the common problem of the voodoo economic strategy of austerity which is damaging all the public services.

    436. sassenach says:

      Coco says (@10-21am) :-

      “…..so I have no comment on that.”

      – and that is precisely what we all hope and pray you will do from now on. Yoonionist prat.

    437. Robert Peffers says:

      @Dr Jim says: 12 January, 2018 at 10:34 am:

      “The Troll’s obviously never been to a SNP conference has he Robert
      Not a scooby!”

      The point I made directly to the guy was that the whole concept of democracy is interaction between opposition parties.

      If such interaction is not engage in the result is an autocracy.

      Which indicates these people’s mind-set. Another name for autocracy is dictatorship but in the United Kingdom we have a rather more sneaky version. Three parties who are all unionists pretending to be the opposition to each other but who each do their level best to see whatever unionist faction is in power at any particular time get their policies through even if they abstain in order to ensure that the motions all pass.

      To make matters even more stupid the whole clamjamphry goes under the heading of being a united kingdom but in which the monarchy has been forced to legally delegate the, “Divine right of Kings”, to the parliament that contains three main parties all of which are unionist.

      Note:- clamjamphry n. – contemptuous word for “a collection of persons, a mob,” 1816, of unknown origin but is from the lowland Scots language.

      However, the only two kingdoms in the United Kingdom have legal systems that are incompatible and in the United Kingdom the parliament is the de facto parliament of the largest country but masquerades as still being the parliament of the United Kingdom. There is no concept of Divine Right of Kings under Scots law.

    438. Liz g says:

      Re Euro ref 2
      I can’t see how that changes the justification for Indy ref 2!
      Our mandate is clearly about a change of our position in the Union.
      We have already had that.
      Scotland voted differently in the EU referendum and no accommodation was made by Westminster to reflect how we voted.
      The 1998 Scotland act which gave us Devolution has already been changed to allow Westminster to alter the concept that whatever is not specifically retained is devolved.
      The foundling principal of Devolution.
      When we originally voted in 2014 watering down the 1998 act wasn’t ever imagined it was done as a result of the following Brexit vote…..QED…the circumstances have indeed changed.

      But what I can see is Westminster holding another Brexit vote to try to prevent Indy ref 2, before the next Holyrood election.
      Their last card to play to try and keep Scotland,Christ even Farage is on board wi the notion.
      He is even tap dancing around the justification for running another vote …..why would he do that when after it making his life’s work to get a leave vote and he won it so narrowly?
      Yet he is floating the idear that another vote would be just fine by him……this stinks of damage control.
      I don’t think for a minute that he really wants to stay in the EU after all but they need to keep Scotland….even in their fantasy “Britain will thrive out of Europe” dream they were counting on Scotland’s resources!

    439. James Barr Gardner says:

      O/T Pneumococcal Vaccination The pneumonia shot helps protect people from the most common cause of bacterial pneumonia. The bacterium is called Streptococcus pneumoniae. The vaccine contains purified parts of the bacterium. There are no live ingredients.

      For adults who are 65 and over and are otherwise healthy, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently recommend a one-time vaccination with the pneumonia shot and no booster shots. However, many doctors do give a second shot 5 to 10 years after the first shot.

      People who smoke, those with chronic lung disease, and those with impaired immunity can get the first pneumonia shot at any age. The same is true for people who have had surgery to remove the spleen or who have a spleen that is not working.

      People often ask why flu shots need to be given every year and the pneumonia shot only once or twice during adulthood. The reason is that the influenza virus constantly changes (mutates). These mutations cause the virus to be different each flu season. The vaccine that worked last year might not provide protection for this year’s flu strain. On the other hand, the parts of the pneumonia shot that stimulate our immune system are always present in the Strep pneumoniae bacterium year after year.

    440. gus1940 says:

      O/T

      There has recently much comment on the excessive delivery charges imposed on any item destined for The Highlands and Islands with some firms imposing them for anywhere much further north than Perth.

      This morning, contemplating the purchase of a new sofa I went on to Amazon to see what was on offer.

      Not content with what a mentioned above I found a site offering in Upper Case – ‘FREE DELIVERY TO ENGLAND AND WALES ONLY’.

      Apart from my disgust at that perhaps they could look at a map – Are they saying that an item ordered for a Berwick customer would receive Free Delivery while one for Gretna would have to pay extra for delivery?

    441. stu mac says:

      @myself 12.52pm

      OOps misread the post I replied to there. Hope that doesn’t seem too much like nonsense.

    442. galamcennalath says:

      The deviousness of Labour politicians never ceases.

      Farage tweets …
      ” Maybe, just maybe, we should have a second referendum on EU membership. “
      …. clear enough. A second test of MEMBERSHIP.

      Then Labour peer Andrew Adonis tweets …
      ” So Nigel Farage wants a referendum on Mrs May’s Brexit deal. I agree. Bring it on! “
      … not the same at all.

      When people talk about an EURef to test the deal they always mean ‘deal or no deal’ choice. I assume this is what Adonis means. Which is Bad Leave versus Bloody Awful Leave. A stitch up designed to get the deal accepted.

    443. Macart says:

      RE: A second EU Ref

      The damage constitutionally and economically has already been done. Say, through some minor miracle, one came about? The UK could never enjoy the opt outs it originally had and that is if the EU agree to the UK reversing its decision to trigger A50. This isn’t about what a UK parliament decides it wants to do anymore. Not extensions to negotiations, outcomes from same, or indeed a UK decision to call the whole thing off in a panic. The EU itself requires to be consulted at every step of the way and permissions sought.

      So far as Scotland’s electorate is concerned, this is a referendum, a scenario that should never have occurred in the first place. Scotland’s electorate were categorically ensured continued EU membership only in event of a NO vote in its own 2014 indyref. Instead, an EU ref was forced on a nation partner which near instantly threatened a constitutional crisis. The vote of Scots, the assurances and guarantees given in 2014 didn’t mean a damn to the power struggles within the Westminster party system. Those guarantees and assurances disappeared like sna aff a wa’ as soon as those pricks thought Scotland’s electorate had been stuck back in their box.

      They didn’t give a shit about consequences for the populations of these islands, only what benefits in power and wealth could be achieved for their own agendas and demographics. The UK is a political laughing stock right now, an economic disaster happening in slow motion. Careers are being measured in soundbites and gaffs and THOSE are the only things bringing even the suggestion of a second EU ref out of the cupboard. Regard for the effects on the wider populations of these islands should have been a consideration long before Cameron shot himself and everyone else in the foot.

      Today? It’s not a matter of wiping away the damage and going back to square one. Damage has been done both at home and internationally. Whatever comes next is about damage limitation.

    444. heedtracker says:

      Mungo says:

      Can’t argue with what you say. But if you are getting hacked off watching likes of a big bloated beeb Scotland slob blatantly lie about general election results for example, get stuck in, join the SNP, stand as a candidate and then take on the gutter press here in Scotland, full on.

      Beeb gimpery is however the 4th estate of teamGB. They are in power to hold power to account in their UKOK zone.

      Stop laughing:D

      “If you are active online and are a Twitter or Facebook user, and keen to help share our positive message, then please do.”

      and go a step more and stand as a candidate.

      This is exactly why everyone SNP joined the SNP.

      And probably the exact opposite why everyone joined the red and blue tory parties, to shut down and block any change ever.

      Let’s face it, end game of the red and blue tories, beeb Scotland gimp network, in every gutter press newsroom, from Heil, to the Times, via neo fascist Voice of the North British Press and Journal,

      they ALL want to close down Holyrood.

    445. David Caledonia says:

      I like Nigel Farage
      I like Donald Trump
      I like Independence
      I like people who tell it as it is

      I have no time for people who just disagree for the sake of it
      I have no time for people who vote for a party just because they vote for that part no matter how bad they are
      I have no time for so called SNP supporters who disagree with their own on stupid little details that have nothing to do with the aim of us all, WHICH IS A FREE AND INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND

      Divided we fall, never forget that !

    446. Jack Murphy says:

      Near enough On-Topic.BBC Scotland and the Broken Ankle Man.

      Article published yesterday is accompanied by three video clips of BBC Scotland output and one audio.

      https://tinyurl.com/y9mfp7oy

    447. Dr Jim says:

      Bryan Toodle oo the Noo Taylor asks Ruth Davidson of the No Surrender party if she’s going to stop Scotland having a referendum on Independence on “Constitutional Grounds”

      I’d be very interested to hear what grounds Bryan Taylor and the BBC think those “constitutional grounds” might be

      I’ll pop off a note to Sr Rajoy and ask him shall I

    448. Robert Graham says:

      A Question that has been annoying me for a while , after all the years this site and other INDY supporting sites have been running , a theme that keeps reoccurring is the media in Scotland and the obvious one sided support for the Union ,

      Yet until a week ago with the green ink revelations I haven’t came across any insider information regarding the operation of this media , these operations are run by ordinary people , and unless every staff member is a dyed in the wool British nationalist with a deep hatred for independence which is difficult to believe ,

      where are the revelations of misdeeds and dodgy behaviour , the same goes for government departments such as Job Centre Plus , Inland Revenue etc work is going on in the background to prevent any second referendum , people have information how is this being hidden , are the people involved so scared that the don’t dare reveal anything , or these establishments full of people very carefully vetted and chosen to keep quiet .

      If it’s the case that the heads of departments are in place to actively thwart the Scottish government in its ambitions of independence I think the SNP have missed the boat in making attempts to remove these obstacles a brief glance of who heads important organisations in Scotland gives the game away .

    449. heedtracker says:

      Jack Murphy says:
      12 January, 2018 at 2:07 pm
      Near enough On-Topic.BBC Scotland and the Broken Ankle Man.

      Dont know if its still there but BBC Broadcasting had this plastered across the front hallway, “nation shall speak peace unto nation.”

      BBC Scotland’s Pacific Quay glass box of SNP bad, also have a big sign etched in granite too, “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, you will even come to believe it yourself and that’s what will get the SNP out.”

      Its also on BBC Scotland Xmas cards, from Donalda and chumsxxx

    450. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      heedtracker @ 12:27

      It looks like the Norway style European Economic Area, EFTA membership’s coming.

      I don’t think so. For various reasons, but especially freedom of movement, which is anathema to both the Tories and Corbyn Labour. I’m with gala @ 12:26 on this one, the best the UK will get is “Canada-style” without any Plus, at best a little fiddling round the edges over security or Euratom maybe.

      There won’t be a 2nd referendum. It would destroy the Tory Party. Don’t forget, all of this was brought about by Cameron’s wildly misjudged attempt to settle the EU question within his own party once and for all. (Or at least a decade, anyway. =grin=)

      Which is exactly why Farage is warming to the notion of an EUR2 now. He sees it as a change for the Kippers to get back in the game, especially if the Tories split. Which they could still do.

      None of this has even a smidgen of relevance to us here in Scotland. Apart from a few zoomers who keep getting swivel-eyed letters in The National, we didn’t want Brexit, as the real facts become known we want it even less now than before, and whatever actual form it takes is irrelevant, it will hurt us whatever.

      Which is why we need to get out of this dysfunctional Union before the real damage is wreaked. This time it really does matter. Our future well-being and even our national character are under threat. The stakes couldn’t be higher.

    451. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      me @ 14:23,

      Oops, key slip, that should read:

      “He sees it as a chance for the Kippers”.

    452. Wullie B says:

      OT, Just had our daughters baby box delivered, and what a decent bit of kit it is, will help any new parent out because I can guarantee most wouldnt have bought a couple of items through lack of foresight or cost issues, but well done Scot Gov for introducing it here,

      Sinky says:
      12 January, 2018 at 9:09 am

      Surprised that there has not been more condemnation of the Daily Mail’s disgusting harassment of the family of the 18 year old from Applecross who tragically died from flu.

      The mother is right p1$$ed off with the media harrassing her by all accounts, but that will remain quiet, must be a quiet news day that they are all running with it a week later ,

    453. Capella says:

      Broken ankle man story is growing arms and legs. BBC heavily edited the account he gave to produce a misleading impression.

      The comments are worth a read. Seems there was no ice in Livingston on Xmas eve. So how did he manage to slip on ice?
      The mystery deepens:

      http://indyref2.scot/a-bbc-scotland-complaint-broken-ankle-man

    454. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Sarah Smith has apologised via Twitter:

      https://twitter.com/BBCsarahsmith/status/951779641915736065

    455. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Ian Brotherhood @ 14:42,

      Well, finally!

      But as the first reply on her Twitter feed said:

      “Say it on air”.

    456. North chiel says:

      Agree with “ Lizg@0115pm” . The REAL issue is the “ loss of Scotland’ assets to the Westminster treasury “ and yes a 2nd Euro ref. could be used to thwart Indyref2 . However, if our FM sets a date then the unionists have a target& timetable and a general election could be another option for them. My thinking is for our FM to call a “ snap “ 2nd vote at the appropriate time and ahead of any 2nd EU vote . There could be 2 questions on the ballot 1. Should Scotland be an independent country ( yes or no). 2. Should Scotland negotiate to remain in the EU ( yes or no).This would ensure that the Scottish electorate does not have to vote again in EU ref 2 unless the answer to question 1. is no ( God forbid!)

    457. galamcennalath says:

      Macart says:
      @1:45pm

      Agree completely

      Whatever comes next is about damage limitation.

      Yes. However you assess the ‘old’ UK, the ‘new’ one can only be worse.

    458. HandandShrimp says:

      Old trick of “making an error” then apologising late and in a place where few will see it.

      Journalism what is it good for?

      The Daily Record story juxtaposition is another example but the sleaziness of the press but it is the Record so one can’t expect much better. Nothing has been learnt since Leveson.

    459. Robert Peffers says:

      @HandandShrimp says: 12 January, 2018 at 10:35 am:

      “The Australian Flu bug is a worry though. It looks like it will cause a fair bit of misery and distress.”

      Yeah! Tell me about it! I awoke on Christmas morn with the ‘flu.

      So here’s the gory details – Because of my underlying health and disability problems I had received the ‘flu jag but this year’s jag is none too effective. It does lessen the symptoms somewhat, though. However I already have an enlarged prostate gland and found to my distress that I couldn’t pee without severe pain and difficulty – not to mention the other more normal symptoms.

      For whatever reason any form of viral infection has this effect so I knew from experience that although very painful the effects do ease after a few days so I toughed it out rather than attempt to bother our dedicated and overworked medical staff.

      So just another Christmas and Hogmanay that went AWOL for me. Seems to be my time for painful disasters.

      Bah! Humbug, (or other less acceptable words to that effect).

    460. One_Scot says:

      It is very easy to be sorry after you have been caught. She would have been as well apologising in her bog, for all the difference it would make in terms of the number of people even being aware of it.

      She got her SNP bad story out and most people won’t know it was wrong. Just another day at the BBC intentionally destroying Scotland. But at least she now knows we have the people to call her out.

      Man, I so cannot wait until we can put these people behind us and for Scotland to move on.

    461. Thepnr says:

      @Capella

      I’ve just posted on the indyref2 site about “broken ankle man”.

      Interesting point about “slipping on ice” on Xmas Eve by Phil and kininvie earlier in the thread.

      Of course I have no idea where this gentleman may have slipped on ice, could have been anywhere in the UK I suppose.

      However that particular Xmas Eve the weather station at Edinburgh airport recorded the highest temperature at that location since 1998. The max was 12 degrees and the min 10 degrees. The whole story sounds like made up bollocks.

      https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGPH/2017/12/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Livingston&req_state=WLN&req_statename=United+Kingdom&reqdb.zip=00000&reqdb.magic=55&reqdb.wmo=03160

    462. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      North chiel @ 14:52,

      Referendums are tricky things at the best of times, with all sorts of undercurrents that can sometimes even swamp the nominal issue. Although proposals for the old chestnut of some kind of multi-question referendum are usually well-intentioned, as I imagine yours is, it just isn’t possible to settle all outstanding issues in one fell swoop like that. Politics is rarely that neat. Instead it simply multiplies the complexity by adding unnecessary secondary distractions. Some people get bothered about one aspect, others get diverted over another. The result is a fatal loss of focus.

      In the case of independence, it offers a field day for the a la carte brigade, whose declared support for indy is suspiciously conditional on one thing or another. The old “divide-and-conquer” ploy given full rein.

      There’s only one issue without which everything else has no effect whatsoever. And we all know what that is.

      In any case, it would be incumbent on any new government of an independent Scotland to fully explore all available options, including ongoing membership of the EU in our own right. It wouldn’t need our explicit permission to do so.

      It may however be expedient to promise in IR2 that the results of such negotiations would be put to the sovereign people of Scotland in a referendum before any agreement with the EU were concluded.

      (It would also be fair, even if arguably somewhat premature, given the rabid BritNat press propaganda we’ve been subjected to for decades.)

    463. Capella says:

      @ Thepnr – sounds like another case of Nurse, or “Jennifer’s Ear”? The BBC are getting really pathetic.

      As for Sarah Smith’s apology – doing it on social media is not enough. It has to be on the BBC News at 6 – and again at 10 because those are the viewers who have been lied to.

    464. ronnie anderson says:

      ronnie anderson
      12 January 2018 at 17:03
      Did the Bbc have permission to film Ankle Boy in a Public Area of St John’s Hospital ( presuming he was filmed in St John’s , maybe someone from the Livingstone area can clarify . public are warned when filming is taking place so they can avoid being on camera .

    465. ronnie anderson says:

      Thump Thump Thump ah bet yous thought that wiz Trump coming cause he’s no , that’s the Jolly Green giants footsteps ! oh hello Tereza .

    466. colin alexander says:

      Robert Peffers

      To suggest non-collaboration with the media enemies of indy makes it like North Korea, is denying the fact that the BBC already act like a state controlled propaganda service.

      The DAILY RECORD / Mirror Group did and continues to do everything possible to oppose independence but that’s who Nicola Sturgeon writes for.

      If you think that’s how it has to be done, then why not Ruth Davidson writing for Wings and Theresa May for Bella Caledonia.

      Why doesn’t Nicola join the Tory Party so she can directly discuss independence with the Unionists instead of just collaborating with their mouthpieces at the BBC, Daily Record and Evening Times?

      The fact is, the SNP continue to give credibility to the enemies of independence no matter what dirty tricks, lies and gutter press tactics they have used to damage the prospects of independence and the SNP.

      As I said, the SNP can do what they want.

      In the meantime, the Daily Record, BBC etc continue to pump out their anti-independence propaganda using deceit etc to poison the minds of voters.

    467. North chiel says:

      “ RJS says @1452”
      “the results of these negotiations would be put via a referendum to the sovereign people of Scotland” I would be quite comfortable with this Robert, and realise that the second question is probably unnecessary. However, I was trying to link the “ injustice” of the EU Scottish vote in the context of Independece . I am quite happy if someone else can do this more effectively.
      Also, my main point is the possible tactics to be utilised by the Westminster establishment to thwart Independence ie 2nd EU ref. / GE

    468. Fred says:

      Sarah Smith is where she is because of who she is. She is unfit to be where she is & should go!

    469. Thepnr says:

      @Capella

      I think Sarah Smith and her crack team of BBC investigative journalists are at this moment checking out the veracity of “broken ankle man’s” claims.

      I broke my ankle way back and it was the worst pain I had ever felt. It was sounded like the snapping a pencil and then having a bolt fired up through the roof of my head.

      There is no way I could have gone a week hobbling around without having treatment.

      There are just 14 Health Boards in Scotland and every visit to A&E is recorded of course and entered into a database.

      It would take mere minutes to check if his claims are true that he attended on Boxing Day. The receptionist who allegedly told him of an 8 hour wait and that his “ankle probably wasn’t broken” would have done nothing of the kind before taking his name, address and DOB first.

      That’s how it’s done, Shona Robison should have someone check these claims which would be very easy to do unless Sarah Smith beats her to it and reveals all on Reporting Scotland first.

      Fat chance!

    470. Cactus says:

      Good evening to ye’s People of Glasgow & Scotland ~

      Looks like the posters below are beginning to appear all over Glasgow (on the official poster-board sites). Has anybuddy else seen these posters in Glasgow or elsewhere in Scotland? The first ones I saw were outside the SEC/SSE Hydro car-park and then again today at the bottom of East Campbell Street, across the road fae Ra Barrowlands.

      Post Brexit U.K.:
      https://www.flyingleaps.co.uk/product/post-brexit-2017/

      ” Post Brexit U.K.

      It’s Kinda Like Heaven!

      Not really of course,
      It’s actually gonna be what they used to call a bleedin’ mess.
      ALWAYS READ THE SMALL PRINT

      Post Brexit (2017) Magda Archer
      Buy signed limited edition artists’ posters at:
      https://www.flyingleaps.co.uk

      SO there ye go.

    471. Petra says:

      Been really busy and now trying to catch up! Thanks to everyone who gave me good advice, which I’ll take on board, in relation to my ‘missing’ posts.

      Here goes for the launching of this one (really important and all that, lol) ….. five, four, three, two, one …. liftoff.

    472. Colin Brofwn says:

      Struggling with why the SNP are so passive in face of the blatant Misreporting of Scotland … could it be a case of Napoleon’s maxim: “Don’t interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”?

    473. Rock says:

      Robert Peffers,

      “You make even less sense than Rock, or any others of the false flag unionists faction here on Wings.”

      You are an aggressive verbal bully here and almost certainly a nasty person in real life.

      And like all bullies, you are a coward who runs away the moment he is challenged.

      If you are as clever as you think, why don’t you have your own site to flog your “knowledge”?

      Instead of contaminating every article on someone else’s website with your verbal diarrhoea.

      Why haven’t you ever written a book on the history of the union?

      After 310 years as a colony of England, only an utter “numpty” like yourself would pretend that Scotland is “sovereign”.

    474. Liz g says:

      Thepnr & Capella
      RE Sarah Smith and her lying on the BBC!

      A good point.
      Its the people who have been lied to that need to hear the apology.

      A tweet is a pathetic attempt to cover her arse and make the BBC look like it’s willing to correct it’s so called “mistakes”.
      This is not acceptable for a State broadcaster!

      A news paper wouldn’t get away with printing an apology and clarification in it’s Sunday supplement, so you would think that they would have something to say about this but naw not a word.
      The Media in Scotland is an utter disgrace.

    475. Davosa says:

      Sarah Smith another establishment lackey just like her father.



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