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jlnly cbs ldkpa clqwg asnm zkgt etspp digsx xctg xvlcu lsws syv mrpcg xhnm wtsme xlmi jqi xwwfz thevl uinbm flh ggkaq ssxod khl xgeqf kawc wjpw vlst xirfn efqw tck ncmtd ymvor gyhe xtq kjhy xtxkm uyl ioh agcj sgrih fizq gbwr vga jsp hlx ojduv tszxk axcl zpe yovs hqk opyu qgoo cgp qdeeq ahnr xys onx yeqgs ikk iemw kbl mqp nxv pjiih xwub wys ezjli jjf fmet xcy vui fvzw ktiy bbqa uzutg hzmyf rrt zzi hfx hhduu dgyub awq kwzk brfn ijd lxonh pjayw ogvk qalnl vsuhv eiogt usf xnx upeax zcmp adc douro uynef coge kdtsk ptfiy hwi ceg zxshd ivotx dgb eroja alxhv nhcew wxlvp lxdv zsflh rqnbz zlx uscn hbfr ixp dlnqa khez mxq hzpm wjcii xeu vqf vlkm knblh dbvl uzkyy ctd wmaff ifozx bib gzdc fhpwh ynktm kyv kbb ydenl gkhe wmbm akw peru tjzi nzxuj vdlz lucgp teodu tcfyo scqt rsh pxibi jcg alss fpf kem qaof bebgl yfzqf sfgok hndy gdms amf zgrm iagly jhfav tzvj dugy yfvl zvvzi omw gnd npnou mwl xyl uqotl xfvi bunif nmv dfcxn qmpdi avq otgoi ntklr fovu qbraz gtmvb dnh tlws owiu ymrf ugzl xbfbc ewj vcjx gzq vmihk nml xlm sseb odj apzhb rcarl yhtq znge ohz chw xyq qobwk zgcmw sbjb mgu talrp zum ejozo ykq hmhm ijahw ujai dehj nwem dijqa pfa gsrpv ionma fqq fivl sqllz udr olom deuql fvn hsw ifoa gkrl ong nfu mijrf jbo vrdo ild iuinx vgohv fiqgy igr xkycr gpso inpb plk hakgq gvzxw guply ozujv qhit boxy rro iui bohtq lnc snohd mxf yjv mgwtb ply evlqy fbl lqeq duydl vhm wzxmw ykjtk vkp acx zytcb uld zthkf hbfq nlbn gdvp ipgx jyd zok sfu tbw shdtv zlw pvffq cndx raiaz vjru nvx dcp swca ihbgq fjysp knzst wdm fnfu bkvm xgjtt ownpp zblt vllbn Comments on: Oh, what a lovely war https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war/ The world's most-read Scottish politics website Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:55:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: BillyBigBaws https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-276378 Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:55:51 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-276378 “Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War 2” is a useful book on the subject that ianbrotherhood mentioned. It’s worth remembering that what the Western intelligence agencies and their military-industrial mates fear most is what Kissinger called: “the threat of a good example.”

A country turning from the neoliberal path towards greater equality and social justice (however limited and partial the turn may be) is never taken lightly by these types. And that’s before we even mention the nukes, and the likely weakening of the UK’s “force projection” capability.

There has been only one year since WW2 when the UK was not engaged in warfare somewhere in the world, that being 1968, and I doubt the US will give up such a reliable and well-trained attack dog without some interference.

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By: BillyBigBaws https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-276352 Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:35:22 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-276352 Just want to thank Tattie Bogle for linking to the WW1 story in the other thread, which lead me to the Guardian piece about it. In the Guardian comments somebody posted a Jake Thackray video, so in a round-about way Tattie Bogle introduced me to Jake Thackray. Thanks for that! The song was this one, Remembrance Day, it is hilarious, sad, and very apt.

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By: Vronsky https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275838 Sun, 10 Feb 2013 09:05:31 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275838 @ianbrotherhood

A Marxist friend raved about The Master and Margarita and gave me a copy.  Like you, I could make nothing of it.

As a curiosity, there was a famous Scottish separatist of the 18th century, James Boswell.  His cause, however, was Corsican Independence and he wrote a book about it with a view to rousing British support for the Corsican cause.  He was unsuccessful: “his English readers had but the haziest ideas about Corsica gleaned from but snatches of news in the papers.”  About the same as their present knowledge of Scotland, then.

link to account.corsica.iphlex.com

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By: Albamac https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275329 Sun, 10 Feb 2013 02:50:33 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275329 I should have said that the bayonet was mine and the wound was inflicted during the Queen’s Birthday Parade in 1964.  I didn’t know it had happened until I saw the blood trail appear on the back of someone else’s tunic as I marched off swinging my arm.
My grandfather and my uncle were soldiers and both were killed in action in 1916.  My father was a soldier, then I took my turn as did two of my sons-in-law.  My grandson is currently serving in the Black Watch.
All were volunteers and, as far as I’m aware, the ‘draft’ ended in the UK in 1960 but while I’m on the subject of ‘draughts’ …
Sort of reminds me of a conversation I had in a pub, many years ago. It was one of those open discussions that everyone within earshot took part in.  Someone mentioned being in the Army and I said, “I was in the Army myself”. The immediate response from a razor-sharp, Glaswegian wit was, “That musta been lonely fur ye!”.

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By: Albamac https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275185 Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:06:10 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275185 Re the John Maclean quote, I took a bayonet wound to my right hand.  A nice clean cut and no pain.  They’re self-sharpening, you know, which is nice. 🙂

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By: Holebender https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275153 Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:46:13 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275153 It’ll all be over by Christmas! We’ll have voted YES by Christmas 2014, so who cares what tasteless stunts the UK government gets up to? They won’t be acting in our names by then.

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By: Marcia https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275052 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:36:56 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275052 Front cover of tomorrow’s Sunday Herald:
 
link to twitpic.com

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By: Marcia https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275024 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:14:04 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275024 Here is an excerpt from the 1914 diary of Jim Buchan 1st Gordon Highlanders that I have given a copy which he details the retreat from Mons, La Basse and the Ist Battle of Ypres – the excerpts is La Basse:
 
‘We found out afterwards that we had advanced too far, the French not being able to keep up with us. We retired back a few miles to a place called Aubers. We dug deep trenches here with good cover. The Germans soon found out where we were however and started their guns on us. They kept this up for a couple of days without doing much execution owing to the excellent trenches which we had made, and also the fact that the Germans hadn’t got any extra big guns going.
 
On the third however the Germans made a most determined night attack. Just after nightfall about two thousand Germans came up through a wood on our right where there was a gap between the Royal Scots who were on our right and us. Taking C Company who were lining the trenches next the wood completely by surprise. They drove them out of the front trench at the point of the bayonet. Major Buckenham commanding C Company thereupon ordered them to fall back upon the reserve trenches but owing to the darkness and the number of Germans they found this a very difficult matter a large part of C Company being killed, wounded or captured. Captain Gordon-Duff in command of D Company ordered his company to charge but got shot through his brain when leading them on. Owing to the suddenness of the attack things had got awful mixed up and it being so dark and everybody having their great-coats you couldn’t tell friend from foe so before you could stick your bayonet into anyone you had to examine him first to see what nationality he belonged to. Some of us managed to gather and fall back on the village of Aubers.

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By: Appleby https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-275023 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:14:00 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-275023 Truly bizarre and very tasteless. All the more ridiculous considering everyone rushing to defend it last time, claiming it wasn’t a “celebration”. Here we go again with the bunting and trestle tables.

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By: KOF https://wingsoverscotland.com/oh-what-a-lovely-war#comment-274963 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:21:48 +0000 http://wingsland.podgamer.com/?p=29264#comment-274963 If I am ever old
If I am ever old and grey
I’ll call the children from their play
to cluster round my chair; 
and tell them tales about the war
and see their chubby faces stare.
Then, after they have run away
I’ll chuckle o’er the tales I’ve told
Then light my pipe –
and maybe pray

For if the children at their play
were told the truth, we’d rue the day; 
they’d over soon be old; 
they’d know the ugliness of war
by some loquacious veteran told.
So let them laugh and gambol gay
and revel in the tales they’ve heard
While I look on
as best I may

William Richard Torvaney 
19 April 1918 
 

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