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    1. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Quinie frae Angus –

      Don’t know exactly when, but isn’t the next one in Brechin?

    2. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Quinie.

      You have pre-empted me. The next Wings get-together is Invergowrie on 24th October – and I was gonna do a post, collating all the questions for info from last night, and all the travel opportunities to Invergowrie, and so on.

      Looks like if you are coming, the best thing is to book accommodation, because the last trains to Edinburgh and Glasgow leave Dundee around 10.30. The buses aren’t much better.

      More info will follow tomorrow…

      However, the next public Wings presence will be at the Dundee City Square rally next Sunday, 4th October. The Bikers For Yes are putting together a convoy from Strathclyde Park, to Queensferry, then up to Dundee.

      Here’s the graphic that tells you what’s organised, so far…

      Also, ‘Hope Over Fear’ are putting on two 50-seater buses from George Square Glasgow to Dundee (and return) free of charge for the 4th October rally.

      See this Facebook page for further info. Seats have to be booked by FB PM. Gail Morrow is taking the bookings.

      See you there?

    3. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s a wee historical oddity to kick-off a new page:

      Jim Garrison (the dude played by Kevin Costner) on NBC re the JFK assassination.

      Curious to know – anyone seen this before?

    4. Ghillie says:

      Thank you all for a great night!!

      Crazycat, thank you for recognising us straight away! Really enjoyed talking to you and hope you got home safely =)

      Ronnie, thank you for introducing us to all these famous Wingers! And for making us so welcome =) Thank you Pete the Camera(did I get that right?)for the lovely badges!

      A ‘stroke’ form Paula Rose…heaven =) And a badge to keep for my grandchildren!

      AND ‘strawed’ by Jock Scot! (it’s his new craze!)

      Great chats and good times! Hey there X Sicks,Catus, Heather,Thepnr,Briandoonthetoon and son,Lyn,Tam Jardine,Maggie and Bettyboop and the lovely folk who’s names I didn’t catch!

      Can we do this again soon please!? =)

    5. Thepnr says:

      Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Quinie frae Angus โ€“

      Donโ€™t know exactly when, but isnโ€™t the next one in Brechin?

      Funny you should say that, stranger things have happened and coincidentally I was talking to a well known winger today….

    6. AnneDon says:

      Great to meet fellow wingers in Edinburgh last night. Hope you all got home safely!

    7. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      I was only joshing, but hey, curiouser and curiouser, who knows indeed?

      One of these days I may announce a getthegither in The Three Towns – if I build it they will come…or they may choose not to. ๐Ÿ™‚

    8. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi John King & Capella.

      “Four Yorkshiremen”

      It was actually a pre Monty Python sketch, from the TV show “At Last The 1948 Show”, starring Tim Brooke-Taylor, John Cleese, Graham Chapman and Marty Feldman, from 1967. Aimi MacDonald provided the tottie interest.

      Here’s the original.

    9. Cactus says:

      Cheers for having us Edinburgh, great to be with you all again, braw times ๐Ÿ™‚

      Congrats aussi to Monsieur Doonthetoon on winning top spot.
      (see above)

    10. Jim Thomson says:


      what night is the regular meeting in the Bellrock?

      Betty and I will be there over the next couple of days (not in the pub ALL the time though ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

    11. Lanarkist says:

      Hi Jim, thanks for the heads up on the main thread.

      Yes Social is on this Wed. Starting at 8pm.

      Nice timing, be great to see you and welcome you in!

    12. Jim Thomson says:

      Thanks for the reminder Lanarkist. I couldn’t recall if it was Tues, Wed or Thurs.

      I blame old age, and too many Wings nights out …

    13. Rigmac7 says:

      Random question about power generation – been out the loop a wee bit.

      What does the demolishing and decommissioning of Longannet mean in real terms for Scotland’s ability to power itself? Do we currently provide a surplus to UK (for which we were paying a surcharge) or are we in a position that means we need to “buy” power from Ruk?

      If we are in position of needing to “buy” power, how long will it be before we are able to be self sufficient? (on current plans, developments etc).

      Looking at figures online, from 2008 to 2011, Scotland generated between 49,992 and 51,223 Gwh P.A. but used between 40,973 and 42,466 Gwh P.A. This made it a net exporter to England of between 7,998 and 11,597 Gwh P.A. ( figures). Since Longannet produced approximately 9,525 Gwh P.A. (wikipedia), does that put us in the position of having to rely on power imports from Ruk or have we established enough green energy etc since 2011 to maintain a healthy surplus?

      Is Longannets closure as simple as being an attempt to make us beholden to Ruk?

    14. Jim Thomson says:

      @Rigmac 7

      Not sure if it helps but here’s the Scottish Govmnt pages on the topic

      In terms of your final sentence, That seems to be the plan. All the crap about high carbon generation could have been mitigated if the UK gvmnt hadn’t pulled the plug on the Carbon Capture & Storage development plant that was going to be installed at Longannet.

      Instead of the extra ยฃ500M that was needed to develop the technology, they decided to allocate that money elsewhere (can’t recall details atm, but I’m sure it was just another pre-planned nail in Longannet’s coffin.

    15. Rigmac7 says:

      @Jim Thomson

      Thanks Jim, looks like we are pretty much self sufficient then on recent figures.

      I’m guessing that the cuts in green energy subsidies by Ruk is simply another attack on a country which produced 16,974 Gwh in green energy in 2012.

      I think the ยฃ500M was probably used for Anglo/Chino relations purposes in the funding of their shiny new nuclear power plant ๐Ÿ™‚

    16. Taranaich says:

      Hello all,

      I recently posted an article that isn’t really to do with Scottish independence, but linked to my past life as a Robert E. Howard scholar. Basically, the editor of a site I used to work for has come out as a supporter of a controversial author who, among other things, denounces women’s suffrage, women in the workplace, equal opportunities, gay rights, and other things. If you’ve ever encountered Gamergate or Rabid Puppies, you’ll know who they are.

      A fairly large number of commenters came by. I hadn’t encountered most of them before. Most of them didn’t even go to the effort of reading the blog in favour of flinging non-sequiturs and accusations eerily similar to the lying, projecting and doubling-down they accuse their enemies of. I closed the comments, and they still come, because apparently refusing to give them a platform makes me a “coward” and not granting them their “right” to rant on my blog means I’m censoring them, and thus making me a “hypocrite.” I also notice that a lot of hits come from the author’s personal blog. They clearly have a greater interest in me than I do them.

      The funny thing is, I’m sure a lot of people can see the similarities all trolls seem to exhibit: ad hominems galore, appeals to emotion, and all sorts of logical fallacies. It’s been a most educating experience.

      But as I say on the blog, I’m used to much sterner stuff.

    17. X_Sticks says:


      Good for you Al. Stick to your guns. You have right on your side on that one.

      Just out of interest is the sterner stuff a consequence of the referendum?

    18. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Can one be ‘O/T’ on ‘off-topic’?

      I’ve just found out, via FB email notification, that ‘Hope Over Fear’ are increasing their free buses from George Square to Dundee on Sunday, to three 50-seaters.

      Looks like it’d gonna be a busy day – and there WILL be a speaker from the SNP on stage.

      See my earlier post:-

    19. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Here’s the update – note the change of departure location…


      Change of plan for Sunday, HOPE OVER FEAR will now run three 50 seat coaches to Dundee Yes city, all departing Buchannan bus station 09.15am – Only 15 spaces left!!! Holytown will car share into Glasgow ><

    20. Ghillie says:

      Taranaigh @4.43pm

      Oh gee whiz! Those trolls were an especialy dim bunch.

      Even I got that it was about the blog owner speaking for all the members.

      Vox Day’s thoughts sound vile. That Leo supported him speaks volumes.

      They do not share your values.

      Well done for standing your ground. (what X sticks said, wise man) That takes an emmense amount of courage, especialy when up until now you thought you were amongst like-minded folk and friends and colleagues. That hurts. But many came away with you, Again speaks volumes.

      I always tell my sons to trust their instincts. You did. Well done pet.

    21. Jim Thomson says:


      You know that you can selectively block trolls on WordPress?

      Would that be a workable proposition?

    22. Taranaich says:

      @X_Sticks: Just out of interest is the sterner stuff a consequence of the referendum?

      It is indeed. Time was this sort of thing would upset me: I took everything deeply personally, and I always had that seed of doubt, wondering if they were right and I was wrong. The referendum experience makes such things look almost child’s play in comparison.

      @Ghillie: Well done for standing your ground. (what X sticks said, wise man) That takes an emmense amount of courage, especialy when up until now you thought you were amongst like-minded folk and friends and colleagues. That hurts. But many came away with you, Again speaks volumes.

      I always tell my sons to trust their instincts. You did. Well done pet.

      Thanks Ghillie. Truth be told it was four of us who collectively decided to make the stand, so I was not alone through this, though I am glad more people left than stayed given Leo’s behaviour, and of those remaining, one has passed away.

      @Jim Thomson: You know that you can selectively block trolls on WordPress?

      Would that be a workable proposition?

      I wrestled with this for a bit. I admire the Rev’s zero-tolerance approach to trolls, but I always shied away from it, figuring that readers could make their own judgements. But the way I see it, I’m not stopping them from expressing themselves: I’m just not giving them the platform to do it. They can start their own blogs, or comment on others, and people can come to them.

      I’m leaving the comments that have already been published, but I’m looking at various guidelines for abuse, and have decided just not to publish ones that contain personal attacks. “Repugnant fascist” that I am, apparently.

    23. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Taranaich.

      On the page where I offered the link to “Soldats De Robert Bruce”, I supplied another link, due to your interest in the first.

      Don’t know if you saw it, because it was towards the end of that page’s activity.

      Onnyhoo, here’s the follow-up again for you, in case you missed it.

    24. Taranaich says:

      Brian, sorry, I did miss it: thanks very much! I knew about the Scots guard, but I always appreciate more detail & sources.

    25. Jim Thomson says:

      Good to meet Lanarkist again tonight. We might just have convinced a few others to have a gander at Wings, and we will be watching for their loss of wings’ virginity.

      Voyeurism is what it’s all about ๐Ÿ˜‰

    26. Paula Rose says:

      *finishes filing nails and glances around*

    27. Ian H says:

      QT tonight, a line was used to justify trident
      ‘A last line of defence’

      Nuclear weapons are not defensive weapons, they are weapons of attack. If some psycho in charge of these weapons decides to use them then nothing you can do to stop that. All you can do is respond in kind.

      NO winners

    28. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      What news of Dundee on Sunday? Wings presence? I intend to attend but will wear mah breeks this time instead of the kilt. [Sorry Paula, Gillian, Quine frae Angus, Betty Boop, Nana, Heather, Morag, Shona, etc etc] ๐Ÿ™‚

      Thanks for all the birthday wishes last week – fair turned mah heid. Oh I hear you gasp? You all forgot? ๐Ÿ™‚ I should have mentioned it but I am very shy.

      Ok responses on a postcard please to Auchenshoogle House of Correction and Leather Lashes. Ouch!

    29. Carol Jardine says:


      I remember the ad fine.

      I think it might have been one of the big banks. HSBC? Apologies if I’m havering.

    30. Jim Thomson says:


      just wondering how the lappy’s doing?

      I’d suggest also uninstalling chrome and re-installing it but you need to strip out all the extras that are bolted on first to get rid of that unwanted thingy.

      have a look at chrome settings (those three wee bars at top right) and in the menu on the left click on “Extensions” and see what comes up. Anything you don’t need/recognise … bin it.

    31. Jim Thomson says:

      @Archie – just for you (a wee bit late)

    32. Paula Rose says:

      I’m going to Inverwotsit *skips around garden* I’m going to stay with my favourite Wingers!

    33. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Carol Jardine –

      One of the Wingers posted this on main thread earlier. Can you guess how long ago it was broadcast? ๐Ÿ™‚

      Hanson Trust Ad –

    34. Paula Rose says:

      So many favourite Wingers btw xx

    35. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Archie [not Erchie].

      Yes, there will be a Wings presence in Dundee’s City (Indy) Square on Sunday. We will be assembled under Ronnie’s transportable shed.

      Latest news…
      SNP councillor Jimmy Black has pulled out as a speaker. However, SNP members Bob Costello (Team YES Bus) and Craig Murray will be saying a few words. Bob Servant was invited but, regretfully, had to decline, as he has a previous engagement at an awards ceremony in Edinburgh – something to do with cheeseburgers, I believe.

      Trongate Rum Riots had to pull out for personal reasons but their place on the bill has been taken by The Howlin’ Wolves, an excellent Dundee band, who appeared on stage at the last rally on 9th May.

      Lastly, the original YES Bus ‘The Dragon’ is aff work seek (broken spring) so its younger sibling, ‘The Phoenix’, will be at the square. The Dragon is a 92 seater; The Phoenix is a 91 seater.

    36. Paula Rose says:

      Polishing my nails and checking off-topic to see if any handsome knights will be passing my door on Sunday en route to the other Yes city.

    37. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Wee bit of Scottish hip-hop. Sure I know this guy’s voice, from a band one of my pals was in years ago called Sentinalez.

      Anyone know anything about this dude?

      miSTAh bOhZE – Soul U Got Z?

    38. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Talk about a captive audience?

      Johnny Cash, in San Quentin, ‘A Boy Named Sue’ –

    39. Grouse Beater says:

      I think Sam Smith’s Bond song is bloody terrible. Can’t stand all that falsetto. A manly potter throwing a vase one minute, Grayson Perry in a frock the next.

      There, I’ve said it.

      Don’t care if it’s a runaway success in every territory on the planet except St Kilda. It’s so limp wristed.

    40. Paula Rose says:

      *rolls up sleeves*

    41. Grouse Beater says:

      Was a sound engineer giving Smith a wedgie while he sang?

    42. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Lemar, ‘If There’s Any Justice In The World’ (acoustic) –

    43. Paula Rose says:

      Finally I have to admit defeat – this pumice stone is now not fit for purpose.

    44. Cactus says:

      Howdy, taking y’all through the night with some classic Bob Seger:

    45. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      Thanks Jim and just for a fleeting second I was wishing it was Paula ainging.

      @ Paula Rose – Sorry my dear, no car this time so I am coming to Dundee on the bus.

    46. X_Sticks says:

      @Paula & Archie

      Last minute as usual, but I’m probably going to take the car down to Dundee tomorrow. Anyone like a lift?

    47. Paula Rose says:

      Yes please!

    48. Proud Cybernat says:

      I wrote this novel (political black comedy) Something Went Bump back in 2006. Big-wig Tory comes up to Scotland intent on putting an end to the devolved Scottish Parliament. Suffice to say, things don’t quite go according to plan.

      Here’s the book blurb:

      Post devolution Scotland never had a politician quite like Sir David Thorn โ€“ New Labourโ€™s first defector to the Tories and now the Shadow Minister for Constitutional Affairs. Thereโ€™s also the small matter of Thorn being something of a psychotic megalomaniac whose entire raison detre is to bring the whole devolution experiment to an abrupt and cataclsymic end. Corrupt politicians, bent cops, assassins, bigamists, Teletubbies and a horny Great Dane called Monty. Murder, mystery and mayhem in one sleazy bound โ€“ so whatโ€™s new in the wild west of Scotland?

      And Here’s the book link (PDF format):

      (Note: Not for the faint-hearted. Industrial language throughout).

      Any feedback appreciated.


    49. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Proud Cybernat.

      Thanks for the link. I actually downloaded the pdf earlier in the week, when you gave the link on one of the main pages.

      Have read the preamble and am now at the start of “it started with a piss”…


    50. Lanarkist says:

      Hi Jim, thanks for the advice. I will attempt what you suggest but fear it may be beyond my modest knowledge of the workings of tech.

      So far however, the laptop is behaving itself and although not on chrome we haven’t seen the thing in a couple of days.

      Will hopefully see some of you in Dundee tomorrow!

    51. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      @ X-Sticks – Thanks for the offer but I am visiting friends after the rally. Paula will look after you ๐Ÿ™‚ See you there. ๐Ÿ™‚

    52. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Wingers heading to City Square tomorrow…

      It would be great if you could get there around tennish, to help with setting up the gazebo and so on, for the Wings stall.

    53. CameronB Brodie says:

      Will Podmore
      Remember how I described hardcore Scottish Unionist as cargo-cult devotees, bamboozled by the ‘droppings’ of a foreign press and the cargo-cult science it fertilizes? I bet these punters would consider culturalism to be a creation of the devil. Which cultural lens would they using to view the evidence though?

      Florian Znaniecki is the author of an original program of philosophy called “culturalism” by him. When in around 1922 he relinquished the pursuit of philosophy for sociology, basic concepts of culturalism were comprised in the language of his sociological theory. Among them the concept of value plays a fundamental role. The sociological System of Znaniecki is thus exceptionally solidly grounded in the ontological and epistemological reflection upon culture.

      #neverenoughsemiotics #oraxiologicalsignification

    54. Cactus says:

      Have a great day in Dundee tomorrow off-topickers, aye be unable to attend, may the weather be with you.

    55. CameronB Brodie says:

      Will Podmore
      Does axiology as a science, provide a systematic methodology which unifies thought with reality? Note it avoids idealism and culturally contrived metaphysics.

    56. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      @ Brian DTT – Is that senior waistrel R.Anderson of the disappearing shed and dubious legal advice gonna be there?

      I will endeavour to be there to help out.

    57. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Archie[not Erchie] whit dey you mean dubious legal advice, you goat it Pro Bono, ur you complainin about getting sumthing fur nuthin. Advice by appointments today Sun tripple time, I,ll squeeze you in between Magazines N Badges lol.

    58. Stoker says:

      The Hamshankers well and truly shafted at Twickers, oh my!

      LMAO and partying hard!

    59. Chipmonkey says:

      Hello O/T gang. Stranger here. Kicking myself I can’t come to Dundee today to meet up again (especially since I’m there every work day). I’m hoping you guys take prodigals back… Inverwotsit …is it the 24th now? Hope to see you soon. Have a good day in Dundee.

    60. CameronB Brodie says:

      From Russia with love, making sure Rock’N’Roll never dies. Those damn pesky Russkis

      Messer Chups – War Party

    61. Chic McGregor says:

      Anybody get 12 across?


    62. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      Ok here with Wings and Things – A rather small collection of photos from the Hope Over Fear rally at Dundee today. Please note the rather swish Wings flag at the stall. Ahem!

    63. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This is (gulp) TWENTY years old. ๐Ÿ™

      Pulp, ‘Disco 2000’ –

    64. Never got a pic of me.

    65. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Dandy Warhols, ‘Bohemian Like You’ –

    66. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      @ James Caithness – Sorry but every time I tried to get a sneaky photo the Page 3 model of Esquire magazine [aka Ronnie A] exposed his builder’s bum and the emmissions were worthy of a dodgy VW engine.

      We will meet again Jim and happy to oblige with a montage of weel kent faces. ๐Ÿ™‚

    67. Ian Brotherhood says:

      The Verve, ‘Rolling People’ (Glastonbury, 2008) –

    68. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Sunday Night Teaser –

      How many ‘O-Jays’ were there?

      Nae cheatin’!

      The O’Jays, ‘Back Stabbers’ –

    69. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Rare footage of an early Wings social, where some of the lads paid musical tribute to Paula Rose:

      Tavares, ‘More Than A Woman’ –

    70. Still Positive. says:

      Chic McGregor @ 1.30.

      You probably have the answer by now but if you don’t it’s ‘adjust’, Present AD and fair = just.

    71. Paula Rose says:

      Well darlings – another fabulous day with lots of my favourite wingers!

      High points, the drive in X_Sticks’ Maserati, the guided tour of Pete the Camera’s new leather clad mobile home (not to mention a quick sit on his knee as and when required) and singing along to Shang-A Lang as performed by the Twa Tenners.

      Low point – I missed meeting Craig Murray as I was away powdering my nose, but I left an “I’ve been stroked by Paula Rose” badge for him in case I missed him – he turned it down – the absolute rotten cad.

    72. handclapping says:

      @call me dave

      Tuesday 6th looks best for me. I’ll stand you coffee in the Costa on the High Street ( between Boots and M&S ) at 1115.

      At least we know what the other looks like and I dont have to carry a rose between my teeth as the first time I met Paula Rose.

    73. Paula Rose says:

      *giggle* – suited you xx

    74. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This is what happens when you drink too much Red Bull.

      Dr. Feelgood, ‘Live In Finland’ –

    75. Paula Rose says:

      Ian Brotherhood are you determined to make me love you?

    76. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Paula Rose –


    77. Paula Rose says:

      *hottest of the hottest red flushes ever*

    78. Paula Rose says:

      Ian brotherhood honey –

    79. call me dave says:


      Tuesday 6th is OK for me. But Iโ€™ll stand you coffee in the Costa on the High Street at 1115.
      See you there!

      I’m running a course Wed and Thurs so I’ll need to get away about 12:00..ish to get my prep done Tues PM. ๐Ÿ™‚

      Kind regards.

    80. Chic McGregor says:

      @Still Positive.

      Thanks. I had ADJUST as a possible fit but just could not see how.
      I was stuck on ‘Doctor’ being of the medical variety.

      Kicking myself.

    81. Chic McGregor says:

      A few weeks ago I heard on the radio that some companies now offer a ‘free’ egg freezing and storage package to their female staff.

      I assume the commercial interest for them is to keep a female in the workplace during her most productive years and defer childbirth until later. Thus minimising disruption to the company.

      At first I balked at such a procedure becoming routine and purely for career and commercial reasons but then I considered that the option of late life progeny has always been open to men so why should that not also be the case for women?

      Apparently modern techniques mean that there is now little more risk than for in vitro.

      While I still have doubts on the ethicacy of a creation of a ‘granny-mum’ class (as they were called on the programme) as a matter of routine just to suit a company’s commercial interests I can now see a contra more altruistic argument where disruption of a normal pregnancy could otherwise result in great cost or jobs to a company. Even more justification would be in the case of avoiding disruption of great service to the community by say a specialist surgeon or a political leader.


    82. Paula Rose says:

      Hi Chic – the idea is preposterous at the present time, a quick check through the medical reports suggest that the best chance of a successful pregnancy using in vitro techniques is the age at which most women have children i.e. 23 -29. Secondly the successful spermatozoon in a natural fertilisation has overcome immense obstacles – this does not always result in a healthy baby, statistics show that defects in in vitro births are higher.

      The health of the mother and the baby are not helped by the unnecessary use of such methods especially as there are plenty of reasons for having children when young – it is a very demanding job.

    83. cearc says:

      Putting off having babies for career is generally not a good idea (biologically).

      There’s a good reason why fertility starts to reduce after 30. and it is not just the energy to look after babies.

      It always strikes me that these ideas always talk about ‘having babies’, rather ignoring the fact the babies will turn into adolescents.

      Having a baby in one’s 40’s may sound rather nice and ‘do-able’ but having a stroppy adolescent in your 60’s may not be so jolly.

    84. caz-m says:

      Archie [not Erchie] 8.27pm

      Thanks for the pics from Dundee Archie. Hope it all went well.

    85. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      This is inspired by Jim Thompson’s “AR$E!” comment on the “A swing and a miss” page.

    86. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      @ Caz-m – It was fine. Not such a big crowd as Glasgow but nevertheless it made its point. Music was way better and not so much droning on by less than inspiring platform speakers.

      It got really chilly mid afternoon and Paula was visibly shaking but that might have been the sight of the kilted piper. Unfortunately eagle eyed ‘Quine frae Angus’ spotted said piper, fluffed her feathers, and us Wingers manning the stall were left waiting for the cursory hug. In her defense she did arrive but disappeared soon after, last seen on a rowing boat singing ‘Over The Sea to Skye’ while clutching a bottle of Gordon’s best gin.

      Paula was distressed. However Ronnie A. treated her to a big hot sausage [roll] or two. It seemed to help.

      I had a great chat with Ronnie which covered everything from the Jurassic period to date. One of his gems was the observation that Wingers are innovative and multi-talented in all aspects. A wonderful mix of history buffs, artistic & creative nutcases with pleasant attitudes. Then the groupies like me and others on the edges and for some reason it works.

      It was funny, sometimes Pythonesque as the Wings gazebo went up and down like….emmmmm….thinking. However a strong erection was achieved eventually. It looks so stable in the photos of course.

      Hope we meet soon

    87. X_Sticks says:

      I Got caught good at Dundee by Mal Bremner fae Aiberdeen!

      Mr Anderson’s braw new Wings banner. Just add an engineer and they’ll be up in a minute!

    88. Finlay says:

      I’ve been shamefully absent from O/T. Catch up time.

      @Archie [not Erchie]

      Great job with the Wings flag! Your pole is looking a wee bitty floppy though. Maybe Paula can give you a hand with it next time.

      @Ian Brotherhood

      I did notice the song you dedicated my way the other week. Thank you, and brownie points for well-chosen lyrics! I messed up the hyper-links in my reply and my post was censored along with the links. In light of me losing all my words, here is a wee song for you which I often find relates to my encounters with those โ€œgettaefuckโ€ folk.

      Another Floyd song relating to todayโ€™s article on the Toryโ€™s intent to commit first degree mass murder.


      Here is a link to an article by AAV which I thought was particularly good.

    89. Finlay says:

      Reposting link.

      One day I’ll manage to post something correctly…

      Am I right in saying it is only YouTube links which I have to remove the “http://” part of the link from?

    90. CameronB Brodie says:

      That’s correct. WordPress insists on replacing the deleted characters.

    91. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m not discounting the point Robert is making but there is this…

      The Craigiehall estate near Govan was purchased in 1783 by the merchant and cashier of the Glasgow Arms Bank, John Robertson. Robertson and his brothers owned sugar and cotton plantations in the West Indies, and he may have changed the name of the estate to Plantation in recognition of his business interests (and the primary source of his fortune).

      Whatever the reason, it appears Govan would have been dominated by the “Plantation” estate.

    92. CameronB Brodie says:

      I meant to post the above on a main thread, as an OT, in relation to “Plantation Quay” (location of BBC in Scotland).

    93. CameronB Brodie says:

      I thought I’d answered you earlier but my reply must not have posted. You are correct.

    94. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The next Wings get-together is ‘Wings Over Invergowrie 3′, on Saturday, 24th October, in the Invergowrie Inn’s lounge.

      Jenny, the manager, is reserving the tables in the dance floor area for us. You can book a table, if you’re having a meal, up till 7pm. Mention that you’re attending the Wings get-together.

      There’s a decent chance we may have a couple of turns on stage, in the course of the evening and we’ll have the usual pro-Scotland, pro-indy videos.

      The buses and trains back to “other” locations from Dundee do not suit an event finishing at midnight. The last whatever from Dundee seems to be around 10.30pm from the city centre.

      So, here’s a handful of suggestions for those who want to make a weekend of it. You can always check out Travelodge Central and Holiday Inn for accommodation but there are always these.

      You can get a private room in the Backpackers’ hostel for ยฃ25 a night.

      There’s also the Ashton Guest House, at around ยฃ27-ยฃ35 per person per night. It’s just to the Invergowrie side of the city centre.

      And there’s also this one, the Cloisterbank Guest House, but it’s around 10 minutes by car or taxi from the city centre. 20 minutes by bus.

      OOPS! Nearly forgot… There’s always the Doubletrees by Hilton, where much fun was had by Paula Rose and various Wingers, after an Invergowrie get-together, previously.

    95. Quinine fare Angus says:

      Hello Wingers, especially the hardy few manning the stall in Dundee on Saturday

      Apologies once again if I appeared bad-mannered by not making a beeline to my dear Wingy friends as I usually do. it’s just that the gorgeous kilted piper and I go back quite a long way and this was the first we’d seen of each other “in some considerable time”. There was a heap of stuff to talk about and I just had to make the most of him in that short cold afternoon, lest he disappear in a puff of smoke.

      I calculated that my trusted Wingers would understand once they knew the circumstances! You were in my line of sight which made me feel all warm and cosy.

      Plus I couldn’t risk the delectable Paula encroaching on my patch.

      Well, not on this occasion, anyway. Xx

      I will make up for it with more hugs to you all the next time we meet.

    96. Jim Thomson says:

      @CameronB Brodie

      here’s an excellent resource for historical detailed maps (free to view)

      And here’s a link to one from 1795 covering Glasgow and surrounds

      It is quite detailed when you zoom in and has Govan shown but I didn’t see anything relating to Plantation (didn’t spend too long looking ..)

    97. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Angus (Quinine fare Angus).

      You seem to be relating events that ‘Quinie frae Angus’ experienced on Sunday afternoon. Some sort of parallel universe, perchance? Onnyhoo, welcome to ‘off-topic’!

      But, I need to know – how much is the ‘Quinine fare’, Angus?


      Hi Jim Thomson.

      Did you see my post that you inspired last night? (5.53pm)

    98. CameronB Brodie says:

      Jim Thomson
      Cheers Jim. I’ve had a look myself but couldn’t spotted the Plantation estate. I found Craigiehall Street and Place, on Google Maps but don’t know the area (Govan – Harper Memorial Baptist Church).

      If Plantation Quay was in operation in 1783, then I reckon it is a good bet the Robertson brothers conducted their trade with the West Indies, from there.

    99. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      “Plantation” gets regular mentions on Radio 2’s traffic reports, usually in conjunction with the M77.

    100. Archie [not Erchie] says:

      @ X_sticks 5th Oct – Your bonny photo added to the ALBUM at

      @ Quinine fare Angus – Totally delirious with fever. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    101. caz-m says:

      @Archie [not Erchie]

      Cheers for that description of sunny Dundee.

      I haven’t heard from Ronnie Anderson on Wings for a few days.

      You don’t think Paula Rose has kidnapped him and tied him to her big four-poster bed do you?

      Paula Rose, If you have got Ronnie Anderson tied up, please be gentle with him.

    102. Betty Boop says:

      @ Brian Doonthetoon, 6:17pm, 6/10/15

      โ€œPlantationโ€ gets regular mentions on Radio 2โ€™s traffic reports, usually in conjunction with the M77.

      Aye, Brian, it’s where you get stuck trying to join the M8 from the M77 anytime between 4:30 and 6:00pm!

    103. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Jim & CamB –

      Radio traffic reports used to mention ‘Plantation’ as a junction, but I’m not sure if they still do.

      Then, of course, there’s the Kingston Bridge, Jamaica Street etc (but which came first?!)

    104. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Plantation/M77 was mentioned on Radio 2 yesterday afternoon, Ian B.

    105. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Sorry about the repeat info – I hadn’t refreshed the page since last night and didn’t see all the new comments about ‘Plantation’.

    106. Jim Thomson says:

      @Ian B was there a Kingston Bridge before the current motorway version?

    107. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Jim T.

      No Kingston Bridge in 1912. You may enjoy comparing these two maps – the first is the 1912 version and the second is Google Maps, of the same location.

      Use the river and Washington Street, to the north of the river, to get your bearings on both maps.

      On both maps, you can explore in a seaward direction and, on the 1912 map, you’ll see Plantation Quay. It’s handy to have each map in a separate tab, so you can click between them for comparison.

    108. kendomacaroonbar says:

      @BDTT Dinnae forget the Finnieston Tunnel?

    109. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      It’s on the 1912 map, Ken, as “Subway”.

    110. Paula Rose says:

      The excitement here on this thread is at fever pitch – I’m on tenterhooks for the next instalment, popcorn at the ready – Dari-on!

    111. Kendomacaroonbar says:

      Cheers BDTT should have looked at th map before I opened mah geggie.

      Is Father Ronald on his holliers btw ?

    112. Jim Thomson says:

      @Paula there are even bathy maps here: better not tell @cearc unless that leads to another flashback to ‘gowrie

    113. Jim Thomson says:

      change of tack – anyone with an interest in WW1 and the anzac involvement might be interested in this new project that landed in my in-box today:

      Hey there,

      It’s my absolute pleasure to let you know that there is another amazing Zooniverse project that really needs your help. It’s called Measuring the ANZACs.

      The ANZACs were the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps during World War I. Despite being a long way from the theater of war, both Australia and New Zealand sent significant numbers of troops to fight in World War I. From a population of just over one million, New Zealand sent 104,000 men and women to Europe, and Australia sent 375,000 from a population of 4.5 million. Casualty rates among ANZAC soldiers were high, with more than half of the soldiers being killed or wounded, leaving an enduring impact on these people and their compatriots.

      We need your help to recover the stories of all those who served, from their lives before the war, through their wartime service, and what happened to them afterwards. We want to know more about who enlisted in the war, how healthy they were, what happened to them in service, and how their experiences affected them afterwards.

      Putting together thousands of stories of early life experiences, wartime service, and post-war life will help us understand New Zealand’s changing society in the twentieth century, and broader international understanding of changes in health, well-being and aging.

      Get involved right now at


      Grant and the Zooniverse Team

      There are a few projects like this and can be quite immersive once you start.

    114. Paula Rose says:

      But I’ve not had enough maps yet.

    115. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Well, Paula Rose, this’ll probably get you releasing bodily fluids…

    116. Paula Rose says:

      *reaches for kleenex*

    117. Quinie frae Angus says:

      Hello, I’d just like to confirm that Quinine fare Angus and myself are one and the same! I am not a sneaky troll.

      As my trusty laptop has finally gasped its last, I am reduced to grappling with my brother’s I-pad and I am not managing this typing very well.

      Think the auto-correct facility changed me to Quinine fare Angus without me noticing!

    118. Nana Smith says:

      Poetry day. So many lovely wingers so little time to mention everyone.

      Oh wings over scotland is calling to me
      Up pops a new post damn I’ll miss my tea
      Each day when I waken I pass on my links
      And some of the stories sure cause a stink

      Rev Stu is the the boss man & up for the fight
      Slabour & tory can’t take on his might
      He disects their nonsense and all of their lies
      “that keyboard cybernat” the media cries

      Our regular posters are sharp and so witty
      Here comes oor Ronnie with a biting wee ditty
      John King keeps us merry and up on our toes
      With his comedy sketches and avatar big nose

      There are so many wise trusted and true
      Macart, Taranaich, xsticks & Thepnr just a few
      Robert Peffers keeps us right on historical matters
      Lesley Anne makes us smile with occasional banter

      We long for the cartoon on Saturday morn
      Hamish kicking John Bull, Chris Cairns has drawn
      A politicial cartoonist with a mighty fine skill
      A few master strokes & Chris aims for a kill

      Watch oot for oor Paula strutting in on her heels
      Best keep on her good side for she’s the real deal
      Her dungeon is stocked up in darkest off topic
      She’s there with some handcuffs holding Ian Brotherhood hostage.

    119. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Nana Smith –


    120. Betty Boop says:

      @ Nana Smith

      Ooooh, you are naughty – but, we like you! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    121. Ian Brotherhood says:



      Here we go…

      Ray Charles & Van Morrison, ‘Crazy Love’ –

    122. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s one for Thepnr to limber-up to before we dance our way out of the Hampden blues…

      Red Hot Chili Peppers, ‘The Zephyr Song’ –

    123. Michael McCabe says:

      Christy Moore. Brilliant Guitar 4 minutes in from Declan Sinnott.

    124. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Michael McCabe (8.55) –

      That was braw. We’ve had clips from the same concert before, but that’s a first for me. Superb.

      Here’s Rod The Plod with The Faces, ‘Maybe I’m Amazed’ –

    125. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Ike & Tina Turner, ‘Baby Get It On’ –

    126. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood The Faces sure takes you back a few years. Are we the only folk on here tonight ? Stay with Me.

    127. Kishorn Commando says:

      Here’s one for the black trades, not many of us left. Much unheard song about our too poor, to wee and to useless laddies (and lassies)and how they managed to build one of the wonders of the world.

    128. cearc says:

      I’m here (in my highland idyll!)

      It’s hard to imagine how mind-blowing the Forth Bridge must have been when it was built.

    129. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Kishorn Commando 9:57pm Cheers for a wee song I have never heard before.

    130. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Michael McCabe –

      ‘Ten Years After’?!

      Honestly, I’ve never even heard of them – that was great. Sounded a lot like Fleetwood Mac ‘Shake Your Moneymaker’, and the singer’s good at doing all that girning stuff, as if he’s holding a giant slug. (Did you see that Tweet on WOS recently? Superb.)

      I guess a lot of these guys knew each other and were listening to the same stuff. (Wish I’d kept all those mad Pete Frame pages from the NME!)

      And now Cearc’s here – a real rock ‘chick’! (See what I did there?)

      It’s all happening in O/T. ๐Ÿ™‚

    131. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here it is – ‘SlugSolos’

      Please beware, if you don’t like slugs and/or guitarists girning.

    132. Norman Smith says:

      SWMBO – says he sings with razor blades.

      But I would cut my throat to sing just one song like this!

    133. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood Ten years after played at the original Woodstock. @ Norman Smith Loved the Frankie Miller song. Here is a Brilliant television Debut for KT Tunstall.

    134. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      You constantly cause me to raise a metaphorical eyebrow. Never heard of Ten Years After? You must have been hingin’ oot at the Northern Soul clubs, iye?

      “I’m Going Home” – when I was doing the rock clubs in Dundee in the 80s and 90s, that track was one I would stick on in the last half hour to get the dance floor filled.

      Check out this full length version from the “Woodstock” fillum…

      Also, there were the ‘hit’ singles…

    135. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Honestly mister, hand on heart, never registered their existence until this evening.

      Some things just pass us by…so it goes. ๐Ÿ™

      PS- I didn’t understand what ‘Northern Soul’ actually meant until an SSP buddy explained it to me on the train en route to the Glasgow Central Labour Gala Dinner (almost a year ago) at which we gave Jim Murphy fair warning of the fate to befall him…

      Life’s a strange thang awthegither, eh?!

      PPS – Here’s a wee ‘kismet’ test…have just been thinking how few people have ever heard of The Shakin’ Pyramids. Have you?

      In any event, hoots ablaw! full-blast tae ye’s an’ aw.

      ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

    136. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      BTW: RE Wings Over Invergowrie on 24th October.

      If you’re going, and want a badge with your name on it, stick a post in Quarantine, stating what name you want on the badge.

      If you want to see what’s been typed already about this get-together, do a control-F (command-F on a Mac) on this page, type Invergowrie, and you’ll see the posts where it’s mentioned, including the very first post on this page.

    137. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Here’s a CLASSIC Northern Soul track, which you will probably recognise.

    138. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      I always veered towards rock but was aware of the concept of Northern Soul. If you want to learn a wee bit, have a look at this documentary from the BBC, on the subject of Northern Soul and the Wigan Casino, an a’ thah’…

    139. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      A great quote from that documentary…

      “No one wants to be spoon fed $hite from the charts”

    140. David says:

      @ Nana Smith, good poem!

    141. Michael McCabe says:

      Here is Ike and Tina Turner with a bit of Northern Soul. With the Blues Song Dust My Broom. Love the Dancers by the way

    142. cearc says:


      Or ‘cnoc’ chick, even. As I am perched on a wee cnoc.

    143. yesindyref2 says:

      A bit of mood music from the album:

      or a live version same song:

    144. Chic McGregor says:

      Paula & cearc.

      Sorry for late reply, I forgot I had posted this here.

      As to the viability, the expert on the radio said that the new freezing techniques added little or no risk to ‘normal’ in vitro but did advise gathering them from earlier rather than later pre menopausal years.

      Of course, the ethical difference is that in vitro is currently done when the couple cannot conceive normally and is not simply a matter of choice.

      Agree that there would be issues like unruly adolescents perhaps bullying elderly parents. Also there is the greater possibility of the parents dying before they have seen their progeny ‘settled’, married, grandkids etc.

      There may be some positives too, like the parents having greater experience to aid their child raising and it might have benefits in keeping them ‘younger’ themselves.

      And there is the financial consideration for elderly new parents, where the woman is not working and, due to ageism unlikely to regain employment after birth. That could impact on the financial well being of the children.

      Re the obstacle course filter. I’ve often wondered about that myself and whether the in vitro folk set one up to select healthy sperm but do not know if that is the case. But that is a slightly different issue.

    145. Thepnr says:

      Very sorry to hear that Jim Diamond passed away today. A favourite of mine first played here in the run up to the referendum was this.

      Listening back then it was all about the relationship between Scotland and rUK. Quality.

    146. Ian Brotherhood says:

      So long Jim Diamond – left some great tunes and memories, and few do much more than that. Hoots tae ye mister…

      Here’s a happy one –

      Bonnie Tyler and Shakin Stevens, ‘A Rockin Good Way’ –

    147. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Teardrop Explodes, ‘Reward’ –

    148. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Big Audio Dynamite, ‘E=MC2’ –

    149. Ian Brotherhood says:

      The Clash, ‘Bankrobber’ –

    150. Michael McCabe says:

      Any old hippies tuning in tonight ? If so then this is for you.

    151. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Michael McCabe –

      I only watched the first minute of the hippie music as it makes me cry. ๐Ÿ™

      But this was an ‘associated’ video on the YT list right beside it, and it made me laugh. ๐Ÿ™‚

      John Cooper Clarke telling ‘tight Yorkshireman’ jokes.
      (I didn’t even know Yorkshiremen had a reputation for being mean…you learn something every day.)

    152. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood. Cheers for that Made me Chuckle. Here is a wee bit of a guy I went to see last year. Jim eoin

    153. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Michael McCabe –

      Err, a ‘wee bit’?

      Couldn’t be any wee-er! ๐Ÿ™‚

      Never mind, I’ll look ‘im up…

    154. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood Sorry forgot to put the link up.

    155. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @M.McC –


      Just watched the top three YT, and they included the one you just posted. Great. Never saw the dude before.

    156. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Can’t have a full day with nowt on O/T…will this make it in time??

      Hot Chocolate, ‘Every I’s A Winner’

    157. CameronB Brodie says:

      This one going out to dakk. ๐Ÿ™‚

      Ricky Nelson – Lonesome town

    158. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Ronnie Anderson 9th of November Ronnie. See You in Court. Hope you are having a great Holiday.

    159. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Michael McCabe Part holiday part working Micheal ,that BrianDTT & PeteTC gave me Saltire/Catalan badges am awe er Salou wie them ,making friends wie Independenistas lol.

    160. ronnie anderson says:

      The Independestas are putting it on the ballot paper Aye Aye Aye.

    161. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Just to remind you all…

      The “Wings Over Invergowrie” get-together takes place Next Saturday, 24th October, in the lounge at the Invergowrie Inn, from 7pm onwards.

      If you want a named badge as a souvenir of the night, stick a post in Quarantine, claiming your badge.

      If you want to book seats to have a meal beforehand, mention “Wings Over Scotland get-together” when booking your seats.

      The phone number is (01382) 562686.

      You can book seats up to 7pm.

      You can find info on accommodation in my previous post at:-

    162. Thepnr says:

      @Michael McCabe

      Nice one Michael, loved it :o)

      Looks fairly quiet here the past few days ๐Ÿ™ Was really sorry to hear of the passing away of Jim Diamond a favorite of many of us.

      This is the first I heard of him singing.

    163. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @MichaelMcCabe –

      Nice one. Knew the tune, could never have guessed the artist.

      Stray Cats, ‘Rock This Town’ (live) –

    164. Thepnr says:

      @Michael McCabe

      Nice one Michael, loved it :o)

      Looks fairly quiet here the past few days ๐Ÿ™ Was really sorry to hear of the passing away of Jim Diamond a favorite of many of us.

      This is the first I heard of him singing.

    165. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      SNAP! ๐Ÿ™‚

    166. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Hey, Thepnr, hoots to ye mister!

      The Ruts, ‘Babylon’s Burning’ –

    167. Paula Rose says:

      *pops head round door* Keep the noise down boys I’m studying.

    168. Thepnr says:

      Hey Ian

      I’ve been quiet for too long, no more. The new me just doesn’t work lol.

      No slacking!

      Once sung by Tom Petty but the originals are the best.

    169. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Great stuff there mister. Hoots aplenty.

      The Stranglers, ‘No More Heroes’ –

    170. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Thepnr.

      Are you gonna be providing carriage for Paula Rose next weekend? Do you have your flippers looked out?

    171. Theprr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Yes, it’s time to get off our knees, stand tall and hold them to account.

      This song has nothing to do with anything, other than I like it ๐Ÿ™‚

    172. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Typing about The Stranglers…

      Probably my favourite Stranglers track in the world ever…

    173. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Aye, Bruno’s good.

      Here’s his most recent one, with Mark Ronson. Over a billion views. Cool dancing.

      We must try to do that routine at the Brechin WOS getthegither. (You can be Mars if I can be the dude in the white suit. Deal?)

    174. Michael McCabe says:

      Here is Bruno Mars with a Reggae mix. It is good to see the off topic mob are here again. I thought Ronnie Anderson had taken you all on holiday with him this past week. Missed all the tunes.

    175. Thepnr says:

      See you in Brechin then. That’s where it’s at!

    176. cearc says:

      Evening all.

      Just posted a comment, did stuff, came upstairs and hey, it’s not there.

      Wrong thread of course, so,

      Hmm, Inverwotsit, thatโ€™s next week.
      Donโ€™t things creep up suddenly when one is busy doing sod-all?

    177. Paula Rose says:

      Hi Hen xx

    178. Michael McCabe says:

      Nanci Griffith Old Land (Road to Aberdeen)

    179. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      If you want a named badge for the Invergowrie get-together next Saturday, stick a post in Quarantine. The cut-off point is 11.59pm on Wednesday night.

    180. Stoker says:

      An Englishman walks into a bar and says:
      “hey, where’s the Scotsman and Irishman?”

      “STILL AT THE RUGBY WORLD CUP,” came the reply.

    181. Stoker says:

      Half-time at the rugby: Australia 15 Scotland 16

      ffs, it’s tighter than a ducks erse an ma fingernails have disappeared.

    182. Stoker says:

      Full-time at the rugby: Australia 35 Scotland 34

      Och well, maybe next time boys.

      Played some lovely stuff Scotland and let the Aussies know they were in a game. Need more work on the basic mistakes.

      Proud of all involved.

      ((((( C’MON THE ARGIES )))))

      Can you imagine, folks, the winners of the 2015 World Cup held in England is…..drumroll…..(((((ARGENTINA)))))

    183. Stoker says:

      btw, The late shoulder charge challenge on Hogg was the EXACT same tackle one of the Argies were binned for in the earlier game. The officials responsible should never be allowed near another rugby stadium never mind a game of rugby. Useless chiantis!!!

      Well played Scotland.

    184. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Yeah, Jim. I see at least 5 of ours there.

    185. Cherry says:

      Hi would like to ask a stupid question..last night around 2am yesindyref2 and me were aware of a troll. Why would our posts disappear? Not being paranoid honest.. I congratulated indy2 for what I only suspected and not being a big contributor to any threads was afraid to voice my opinion for fear of outing wrongly. Now on my tablet the posts from Indy and me to each other are missing. Anyone know why or is my tablet having an off day!

    186. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Cherry.

      Above the comment text box, on every page, it says,
      Comment – new users please read this page first for commenting rules.

      “this page” is a link which takes you to this page:-

      On that page, under ETIQUETTE AND FORMATTING, you’ll see,

      2. Play the ball, not the man (or woman).

      And by all means disagree, by all means disagree forcefully โ€“ but argue with peopleโ€™s views, donโ€™t insult them personally. And that includes calling them โ€œtrollsโ€ or implying theyโ€™re undercover Unionists. Weโ€™ll decide if someoneโ€™s trolling or not. But in the meantime, if you think they are, ignore them.

      If you know what a โ€œtrollโ€ is, then youโ€™ll also know that getting you angry and talking about them, derailing the conversation off the subject, is exactly what they want.

      Email us about suspected trolls if you want. But donโ€™t engage them in debate if you doubt their motives, and DEFINITELY donโ€™t engage in on-thread discussions about whether theyโ€™re a troll or not.

      So your posts may have been deleted for overuse of the “t” word.

    187. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      BTW Cherry.

      You never typed which page you were meaning.

      On this page,
      there are posts, starting with yesindyref2 at 2.36am, where you answer him, typing,

      “I spotted the inconsistent posts but wasnโ€™t sure. Sneaky wee buggers arenโ€™t they! Funny how they always get that wee bit too cocky .. well played!”

    188. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Too much mad and sad stuff going on today. Time for a musical interlude.

      Here’s a brass band playing Hamish Mccunn’s ‘Land of the Mountain and the Flood’, and doing it very nicely too (just try not to imagine a rugby ball tumbling down a stream, with brief periods of calm as it floats across deep dark pools of doom – now that I’ve mentioned it, you won’t be able to…sorry):

    189. Cherry says:

      Yes Brian but that is the post that is missing, then Indy replied to me

    190. Cherry says:

      Don’t think I wrote the t word until it was confirmed by Indy but that post is still there!

    191. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Main threads and WOS Twitter are scenes of carnage.

      This quiet place must exude calm…so…(breathe out)…

      Van Morrison, ‘I’m Tired Joey Boy’ –

    192. cearc says:

      Fairey Engineering, eh? I remember the company but didn’t know of the brass band.

    193. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @cearc –

      Indeed. Good job though, eh? There is a Glasgow Philharmonic version on YT, but it doesn’t sound anywhere near as good, despite having all the strings etc.

      I suppose it’s all in the ear of the behearer – I’d listen to a comb-and-bronco version of it, if it was done well enough. ๐Ÿ™‚

    194. cearc says:

      Yep, those aviating people sure made it fly.

    195. Stoker says:

      Looks like our incompetent Mr.Joubert is no stranger to controversy:

      “Last year, SA’s Craig Joubert apologised to Crusaders captain Richie McCaw and coach Todd Blackadder for awarding a last-minute penalty the Waratahs turned into a championship-winning three points.”

      “A phone call a week later is hardly any consolation for a decision that would determine the championship winner in the 81st minute of the final.”

      “Joubert was ridiculed on social media, but there was no official sanction.”

      Read the rest here:
      About time inept referees are kicked into touch
      18th May 2015

      OR, for those with the inclination to do so just google the words – craig joubert corrupt cheat – and see what gems you uncover.

    196. Nana Smith says:

      Sabhail mor ostaig in Sleat [Skye] may be able to help. They may know of folks who use skype and would be prepared to converse with the lady. Could also prove to be a good way to learn for those starting out.

      I can imagine being unable to chat in gaelic being really hard and especially so when elderly. My mum in her last years was surrounded by non gaelic speakers and she missed it so.

      I don’t use skpye myself and right now I’m getting used to a new computer. If I did use skpye I would chat with the lady. I will ask around.

    197. Nana Smith says:

      Gings help ma boab, that last post was for Paula Rose, forgot to say!

    198. Paula Rose says:

      Thank you Nana Smith

    199. Paula Rose says:

      I have come across an elderly lady from Skye who is in a nursing home near Sheffield. She has no-one to speak Gaelic to.

      If you can help by being able to speak to her via Skype or know anyone who does who lives in that area โ€“ please leave me a message here.

    200. Nana Smith says:

      @Paula Rose

      Sent a message to admin at Sabhail mor Ostaig. Also will ask a friend to enquire through her highland dancing club and church members, soon as I can pin her down.

      Have you thought of tweeting a request? That way you may find someone in Sheffield or close by.

    201. Paula Rose says:

      Yes – have tweeted and will do so again xx

    202. Paula Rose says:

      Lots of re-action to my request on twitter – Radio Sheffield and Edinburgh University helping amongst others.

    203. Nana Smith says:

      @Paula Rose

      The power of twitter, someone is bound to come forward.
      Will post here if I have any info for you.

    204. Ghillie says:

      Paula Rose, you have a heart of gold = )

    205. Ghillie says:

      Rev Stu, I am guessing from your twitter post that wee Jura has passed away. I am so sorry. Thinking of you xxx

    206. Paula Rose says:

      Well a member of her family asked me and a couple of others if we could help – though I wasn’t expecting to have to wade through several hundred notifications!

    207. Marianne says:

      @ Paula Rose

      Have messaged a couple of people, but see you have a big response already – still I’ll get back to you if anyone is able to help.

    208. Paula Rose says:

      Thanks Marianne xx

    209. Thepnr says:

      Right I’m trying to think of the best song ever we played on here. Can’t do it, too many good ones.

      What’s your best?

      I’ll dump this on you, one of the best but not THEE best. I can assure you that you have not seen this yet.

    210. cearc says:

      Nice. No, I hadn’t seen it before.

    211. Jim Thomson says:

      Another wee reminder that if you want an Invergowrie 3 personalised badge you need to let Brian Dtt know across in Quarantine.

    212. Ruby says:

      Topic:Got here with help from Paula Rose

      Thank you Paula Rose. Would you like a Nespresso? The light is on and my machine is ready to brew.
      I have a couple of special editions Palermo & Milano.

    213. Paula Rose says:

      No thank you dear – I’m rather busy at the moment, please don’t make a mess – there’s milk in the fridge.

    214. Ruby says:

      Question No1 for Dr Jim & ‘uno mas’ well dos mas, tres mas or however many more decide to attend my evening class

      Do you know how to copy and paste?

    215. Paula Rose says:

      Oh and by the way – here’s some nice music while you wait for your pupils…

    216. Ruby says:

      Is that your church Paula Rose?

    217. uno mas says:

      Hi Ruby,
      Sorry iยดm late for class was out for the messages.

      Yes I do know how to copy and paste.

    218. Ruby says:

      Great uno mas.

      Do you see the comment above the box where you post.

      do you see where it says HTML tags like ….. and ……

      copy and paste either one of these wee signs that look like a v on its side with and i or b in the middle into notepad or whatever text editor you use.

      Do you know how to hightlight text and right click? Do you use Firefox?

    219. Ruby says:

      The wee signs that look like a v on its side are on the keyboard next to the m. When you type them into a post they dont show. I will call the first one next to the m with a comma underneath vcomma and the one next to that vfull stop to type these you need to use the shift key otherwise you will get a comma or fullstop. However if you have copied and pasted the one from the comment box you wont have to do that. Think of these little tags as being similar to quotation marks you need to put one at one side of the text you want to bold and another at the end of the text. The one at the end needs to have a forward slash before the b.

      you would have vcomma b vfullstop text you want bold vcomma /b vfullstop

    220. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ronnie A.

      When are you gonna share your holiday experiences – with the independenistas? (SP?)

      We’re all on hecklepeens here, waiting for you pithy anecdotes.

      Or, are you keeping all your stories for Invergowrie on Saturday?

    221. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ruby.

      I have got into the habit of formatting a reply to someone else’ comment like this, below:-


      Hi Ruby.

      You typed,
      The wee signs that look like a v on its side are on the keyboard next to the m.
      And so on…

      This might be helpful.

    222. uno mas says:

      Hi Ruby,
      Sorry for delayed response, iยดm in and out tonight!!!

      Iยดยดm with you so far.

      Anything else I need to know.

      Donยดt know what happened to Dr Jim I was expecting him.

    223. uno mas says:

      I donยดt use Firefox I use Google Chrome.

      Is that a problem?

    224. Betty Boop says:

      @ Paula Rose

      Thanks, Paula, for again posting the link to the Gaelic psalms. Loved the filmed scenes too.

      Brings back memories of the time(s) we lived in the Hebrides… aaahhh, nostalgia time. Can almost smell the peat burning.

      See y’all at the weekend. Nearly Hallowe’en, good time to give your red and black stilletos an airing perhaps? x

    225. Paula Rose says:

      Hi Betty Boop have you seen what I’ve been up to on twitter over the last couple of days? Check out hash tag SkyeLady – part of the story, tell you the rest on Saturday – give Quentin a squeeze from me xx

    226. Paula Rose says:

      Darling – you are so sweet xx

    227. Betty Boop says:

      @ Paula Rose

      Not on the Tweetosphere too often, but, was aware of #Skyelady and your lovely efforts.

      Hope the lady’s new chums speak Skye Gaelic! ๐Ÿ˜‰ Recall folk in Uists shaking their heads and tutting when someone mention a word not used in Uist Gaelic, “och that’s not right, they’d be from Skye!”

      No matter though, I’m sure talking in her native tongue will bring great joy and comfort. Good on you. :-)) xx

    228. liz g says:

      Askin a Wee favour from any wingers in the Bellshill area
      My elderly (widowed) mum lost her wedding ring there on Monday
      As you can imagine she is very upset.
      Could any of you keep an ear out for it or maybe even ask on you’re own Facebook for any news.
      I know it’s a long shot but still worth giving the power of wings a try.
      Thanks in advance X

    229. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Remember, if you want a personalised named badge for the Wings get-together at the Invergowrie Inn on Saturday stick a post in Quarantine before 11.59pm tonight.

    230. Paula Rose says:

      @ liz g – do you have a twitter account? Far more likely to get greater coverage.

    231. liz g says:

      Unfortunately no Paula Rose twitter baffles me.

    232. Paula Rose says:

      @ liz g – you have 140 characters to describe the situation – e.g. start with “my friends elderly widowed mum…..” Then all of us with titter accounts can do our best.

    233. liz g says:

      My elderly widowed mum lost her wedding ring on Mon in or around Morrisons in Bellshill used Maxis taxi home.
      She is devistated.
      Can anyone help get it back for her.. thanks

      Hope that will do Paula Rose .,…you are a star X

    234. Paula Rose says:

      Tweeted this – A pal’s widowed mum lost her wedding ring Mon in or around Morrisons, Bellshill used Maxis taxi home.She’s devastated. Let’s find it Pls RT

    235. Paula Rose says:

      Anything special about the ring or is it just a plain band?

    236. liz g says:

      Sorry Paula Rose was on the other thread trying to figure out all those figures.
      No it’s not a plain band it has a pattern cut all the way round and is also a broad/deep ring,there is no engraving on the inside.

    237. Jim Thomson says:

      @Paula Rose 21 Oct 12:56am

      I know you have a busy lifestyle my sweet but, you really need to get your address book re-organised.

      Don’t want any marital issues now do we ๐Ÿ˜‰

    238. Paula Rose says:

      @ Jim Thomson – I know honey, spotted my mistake this morning (memo to self – not good to do interwebby after too many drinkies) was hoping no-one would notice (blushes delightfully again).

    239. cearc says:

      Oooh, scandal!

      What does Paula Rose know that Jim and Chipmonkey don’t!

    240. Paula Rose says:

      ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    241. Paula Rose says:

      @ liz g – If you’re still around, lady on twitter points out that rings can slip off cold fingers – was your mum rummaging in the freezer section?

      Anyone reading this without having the comment at 6:37 – that is what this refers to :rolls:

    242. Patrician says:


    243. Betty Boop says:

      @ cearc, 10:02pm

      Oooh, scandal!

      What does Paula Rose know that Jim and Chipmonkey donโ€™t!

      I was wondering that myself… I have a reputation to consider after all ๐Ÿ˜‰ Boo boop de doo

    244. Paula Rose says:

      Eek ๐Ÿ˜ณ yes ๐Ÿ™„

    245. Betty Boop says:


    246. cearc says:

      It should be a lively meet on saturday!

    247. Paula Rose says:

      Stop it or I’m not coming ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

    248. Betty Boop says:

      Night Quentin ๐Ÿ˜‰

      oh,oh ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    249. Paula Rose says:

      Right that does it I’m not coming – I expect I thought my delightful FRIEND Chipmonkey was coming and got carried away – if she is I’ll change my mind *flounces out*

    250. Betty Boop says:

      Dry your eyes, Paula. We need all the flounce we can get on Saturday and we’ll make up for teasing you so. Feather up and put on the happy feet ๐Ÿ™‚

    251. Paula Rose says:

      All that hoo-haa made me very upset and now poor Tartan Tory won’t be able to sit down for a week instead of just a day – he’s livid.

    252. Quentin Quale says:

      Aha, now I know why I was sent to the garden shed last night. That’ll cost you a special stroke, Paula.

    253. Jim Thomson says:

      Betty was in your garden shed?

    254. Chic McGregor says:

      Stuck on 21 Ac again today.

    255. Paula Rose says:

      Enough of this smut!

      Chic McGregor dear – clue and any letters etc please.

    256. Chipmonkey says:

      Paula Rose, thank goodness someone is looking after the standards and stopping the smut.

      Honey, I have been a very busy monkey and time has shot past. I will definitely come to Inverwotsit on Saturday so long as you will be there. I need my best pal.

      I’ve been so slow I’ll be badgeless and no-one else will know who I am.

      QQ will come too if I have decided I’m taking to him with the garden shed issue coming so soon after the pool incident.

      See you Saturday


    257. Paula Rose says:

      Me and my pal – xxx

    258. Paula Rose says:

      Guaranteed I’ll be there now xx

    259. Paula Rose says:

      Oops hold on – Quinie frae Angus where are you? *stern severe look*

    260. CameronB Brodie says:

      So Dishface has hatched a bold and dastardly scheme to effectively gag Scotland whilst continuing to milk our resources. At the same time, the Scotch themed Corporate Media is out to stop the SNP, at all costs? It’s almost as if Britain is a dystopian and overly centeralised neo-Fascist wonderland. No, you’ve not been Tango’d but it looks like you might be about to be disenfranchised. Of course, only if you live in Scotland.

      The Anthill Mob – The Hooded Claw (Tango Mix)

      For all of those who don’t understand what just happened there. ๐Ÿ™‚

      Maldroid – Heck No! (I’ll Never Listen to Techno)

    261. Quinie frae Angus says:

      Hi Paula dear

      I’m here…still hoping to come along on Saturday although family duties may prevail. Would love to see everyone though. In the midst of the insanity out there in the Twittersphere and the resultant media feeding frenzy where we are all now being portrayed as unhinged psychopaths, I am in desperate need of some kindly, rational and good-humoured camaraderie within the bosom of the Wingfold.

    262. CameronB Brodie says:

      In other news.

      Moving Staircases – Dog Eats Robot

    263. CameronB Brodie says:

      So Scotland can’t become an independent state because we face a demographic time-bomb. Well China may not be a long-term solution to ‘English Red & Blue Tory profligacy’, as they may have broken the world’s economy in order to escape neo-colonial exploitation enter the global market.

      China’s ability to continue increasing the quality of social services in line with the expectations of its people depends on its capacity to increase taxes. Even existing levels of service provision will soon become impossible within China’s current fiscal framework, thanks to rising costs and population aging. The proportion of the population aged 65 and over will increase from ten percent to nearly 21 percent between 2015 and 2035, according to U.S. Census Bureau projections. The elderly are expensive users of government services, and after four decades of one-child families, there just aren’t enough younger people to care for them all.

    264. CameronB Brodie says:

      This one going out to the Scottish themed Corporate Meeja.

      The Quakes – I donยดt come from nowhere (with equality of representation)

    265. CameronB Brodie says:

      I think this one was inspired by those behind Project Fear. You know who you are.

      Phantom Creep Radio #13

    266. Chic McGregor says:

      Apologies Paula, I had forgotten I asked the question here untill I opened today’s Xword.

      The clue was

      “Treacherous place to the west after solid ground (8)”


      An on line Xword solver dictionary threw up the answer.

      Apart from a fit to one word, I still don’t get it although there seems to be a partial anagram involved.

      Answer was:

    267. Jock Scot says:

      To celebrate EVEL day..from my favourite Scottish schizo son.

    268. Paula Rose says:

      Chic honey – solid ground up gives dislo and if you put lay to the west you get yal.

    269. CameronB Brodie says:

      #giggles ๐Ÿ™‚

    270. Chic McGregor says:

      Thanks Paula, never heard that expression ‘putting something to the west’ meaning reverse it, you live and learn.

      I had thought yal might have been some nautical or aeronautical term or something but nothing on Google.

    271. Paula Rose says:

      To the north is used for down clues.

    272. Jim Thomson says:

      @Paula & @Chic … you people have waaaay too much time on your hands.

      Just back at the interweb-face after shifting and stacking a ton and a half of firewood. Paula, I might need you to walk up and down my back tomorrow night [groans as shifts position in chair]

      Now, what did I do with my to-do list …

    273. Paula Rose says:

      With or without heels?

    274. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Radiohead, ‘Bodysnatchers’ (live) –

    275. Thepnr says:

      It doesn’t get any easier eh!

      How about BTO?

    276. Nana Smith says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Re your query on main thread, I did not watch the programme but here is a few comments from twitter

      Shameful and embarrassing watching Ruth Davidson laugh on BBC about her hypocrisy on tax credits. Game show disgrace.

      RuthDavidsonMSP doing a grand 2nd class girly job of laughing at all the boys crap jokes – she knows her place

      she is laughing like Ted Heath. R. Davidson having a great laugh on BBC while Scot’s face TaxCredCuts

      Ruth Davidson there, stealing jokes from @AngrySalmond on HIGNFY

      HIGNFY Is this Ruth trying to get her job back with the BBC after she loses in 2016 Scottish elections

    277. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Good one. When we form the BTO WOS Tribute band, I bags to be the dude with the orange suit and fur-trim. Cool.

      We seem to be getting a bit of a theme here – BTO singing about a devil-woman, right after Bodysnatchers.

      So here’s Bonnie Tyler in a scary video, to get us in the Halloween mood. Quite apt, what with all this EVEL patter going on…

      Bonnie Tyler, ‘I Need A Hero’ (or a Woodbine, whichever becomes available first…)-

    278. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Nana Smith –


      Can’t remember the last time I saw HIGNFY ‘live’ so-to-speak. Someone mentioned earlier it’s now 25 years they’ve been at it?!

      No wonder it’s dog-tired.

    279. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This is toe-curling pish, but, by the sounds of it (after hearing reports from my many spies) a sight better than tonight’s HIGNFY.

      Bobby Pickett, ‘Monster Mash’ –

    280. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      HIGNFY well dead, even then Yong Ones had to go at some time and they had the likes of this with Madness.

    281. cearc says:

      Hiya, alls. see yous tomorrow.

    282. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Cearc –


      That was very this:

      Soft Cell, ‘Say Hello, Wave Goodbye’ –

    283. Nana Smith says:


      25yrs, crikey I feel old! and bloody tired. Night night

    284. Paula Rose says:

      Thank you Chipmonkey for your generous offer – Quentin is so delicate and lovely with his caring approach to pedicurism – lie back and swoon.

    285. cearc says:


      While you’re lurking in the lounge, I’m wrecking your kitchen.

    286. Lanarkist says:

      Looking forward to Invergowrie tonight, see some of you there!

    287. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Severe lack of Inverwotsit-related reports in here.

      Very disappointing.

      Until we get some form of update, I will post Andrew Lloyd Webber songs and/or toe-curling pop-songs featuring child choirs.

      I’m serious.

      Here’s a ‘gentle’ introduction to the thumb-screws:

      Michael Ball, ‘Love Changes Everything’ –

    288. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Don’t say you weren’t warned:

      Clive Dunn, ‘Grandad’ –

    289. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Now 23.41, and still no updates…

      ABBA, ‘I Have A Dream’ –

    290. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Brian & Michael, ‘Matchstalk Men And Matchstalk Cats And Dogs’ –

    291. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s Lloyd Webber’s missus, giving it laldy before he tamed her a la Citizen Kane and made her an opera ‘star’ –

      Sarah Brightman & Hot Gossip, ‘I Lost My Heart To A Starship Trooper’ –

    292. David says:

      Next DJ please!!

      Sensational Alex Harvey Band – ‘Next’

    293. David says:

      Indeep – ‘Last night a DJ saved my life’

    294. Ian Brotherhood says:


      It’s now 1.12.

      Time for the big guns.

      Elaine Paige, Susan Boyle, & Several Hundred Candles, ‘I Know Him So Well’ –

    295. David says:

      Indeep โ€“ โ€˜Last night a DJ saved my lifeโ€™

    296. cearc says:

      Sorry Ian, it was getting so wild the high spot of course being when Jim took Quentin Quale outside.

      Fight club had nothing on it.

      Thepnr’s looking for a song for you right now.

    297. Thepnr says:

      It’s late I know. I liked this song but not sure if it’s due a turn on off topic? It is.

    298. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @cearc, Thepnr, David –

      Thanks be to all known gods, the cavalry has arrived…

      Now I can sleep, knowing this place is back in safe hands.

      Sarah Brightman & Andrea Bocelli, ‘Time To Say Goodbye’ –

    299. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      What can I say other than than that was absolutely brilliant?

      So cheers, I loved it.

      One day, ALL music will be like this :0)

    300. Smiley Face says:







    301. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Some pics and a short video showing those who were there, taken last night at the Invergowrie night out.

    302. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Great to see so many old faces together!

      Aye, CyberNats in the flesh are properly terrifying, eh?


    303. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Saw your comment about foodbanks on main thread.

      Justice served would to have IDS, Danny Alexander, and all the other BTUKOK bawbaggers locked in a cell with Susan Boyle belting out the entire Rice/Webber back catalogue full-pelt on an endless loop until they succumb, one by one. And I don’t mean recordings – I mean her, in there with them, so close that her eyebrows graze their cheeks.

    304. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘This ain’t no foolin’ around!’

      Talking Heads, ‘Stop Making Sense’ (live) –

    305. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Tonight’s ‘compare & contrast’ exercise:

      Toyah Wilcox in 1977:

      Toyah Wilcox in 2006:

      Aye, it’s a fucking ‘mystery’ right enough…

    306. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Hey come on now Ian Toyah in 77 was of course very different in 06. She was fat in 76 and skinny in 06? Who really cares though I did enjoy the cafe scene, reminded me of this.

      Can I tell you something else for free? This is one fight we will win.

      Easy, we have right on our side.

    307. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Old Favourite –

      Dexy’s Midnight Runners performing ‘Jackie Wilson Said’ on TOTP, with big giant screen showing oor very ain Jocky Wilson in the background…

      Postmodernist cross-cultural fertilisation, with a dash of kismet thrown in for good measure, and ye can even dance tae it? – result!

    308. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      your mentions of ‘Toyah’.

      You may enjoy this episode of ‘Shoestring’, which features the said lady. I liked ‘Shoestring’ and found this episode ‘aw right’.

      It’s just under 50 minutes so get a drinkie or three, and popcorn, or your favourite snack.

      BTW: I posted this originally at around 5 past 10 but it seems to have been chah’d up by the system. I’m not sure if this is exactly the same as the first attempt (which returned a “duplicate message detected” message when I clicked on ‘submit’ again, after around 10 minutes) so two versions of this post may eventually appear.

      I haven’t known, in the past, for it to take over 25 minutes for a post to appear.

      A-A-ARGH! I’ve just realised what’s wrong. I forgot to strip out the h-t-t-p-s-:-/-/ before I submitted.

      Mea culpa…

    309. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Great video.

      If we ever do meet up, please remind me to tell you a story about that song. (It’s a belter but not for public consumption.)

    310. Thepnr says:

      Ian you do know that the band is from Arbroath? I have a story or two mesell ๐Ÿ™‚

    311. Michael McCabe says:

      For all those who cant keep there feet on the Ground. and look out for the Bagpipes.

    312. Proud Cybernat says:

      I suppose this should go here. BBC and Corporate Media crap debunked:


      Oh – and spread it far ‘n’ wide. Let’s take these truth-benders, these liars, down.

    313. Iain Hamilton says:

      Just copied this from Baroness Moan of Playboy’s Wiki page.

      “In January 2012, she gave an interview to The Sunday Times stating her intention to move to England were Scotland to become independent following the 2014 Referendum.[14] Such was the hostility by Scottish National Party (SNP) for her expressing a pro-Union viewpoint, Mone concluded relocating to England was favourable to facing further recrimination; this was despite the 2014 Scottish Independence Referendum vote being decided in favour maintaining the Union.”


    314. Michael McCabe says:

      A Song for Rev Stu on his Birthday. From the off topic Posse.

    315. Proud Cybernat says:

      โ€˜Kez โ€“ The Blunder Yearsโ€™

      Spread it far โ€˜nโ€™ wide.

    316. Michael McCabe says:

      @Proud Cybernat Cheers for your links. That’s 2 of them I have seen now. Keep them Coming.

    317. Paula Rose says:

      Time for some all time brilliance…

    318. Paula Rose says:

      More genius – from the Tay Bridge bar courtesy of Michael Marra…

    319. Quentin Quale says:

      Paula, it was great to catch up at Inverwotsit. Another great night. Thinking about your dance moves had me playing Zappa’s Sheik Yerbouti(geddit?)which led to me dusting off my copy of Hot Rats. Hearing Willie the Pimp made me rush to my cd of St Andrew’s Word on the Pavey to play Wullie thon Mink – well, well. Find and listen. Michael Marra’s a genius richt enough.

    320. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Quentin Quayle.

      “Peaches En Regalia” has always been one of my fave tracks.

      But my fave Mothers track is “Do You Like My New Car?/Happy Together”, from the “Live At The Fillmore East” (1971) album. Brilliant the way they lead up to Happy together – ‘The big hit record – with the bullet!’ Here’s an updated version of it, featuring Dweezil Zappa.
      “Roger Daltry never laid a hand on me.”

    321. Quentin Quale says:

      Hi Brian, the spirit of Frank lives on in Dweezil. My top Zappa track would be The Torture Never Stops but for novelty value how about his Variations on the Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression?
      Still miffed with Zappa for driving past me and my mate hitching to Knebworth. Those were the days. Probably.

    322. frogesque says:


      ๐Ÿ˜› :p

    323. frogesque says:

      ^ note to self, use upper case P

    324. Paula Rose says:

      ๐Ÿ˜› ?

    325. Paula Rose says:

      It wouldn’t be an Off-topic page without…

    326. yesindyref2 says:

      Something mellow for the time out of night.

    327. john king says:

      Hands up everyone who hates cover songs?
      think again,
      some are better than the orginals

    328. john king says:

      Or fit aboot this

    329. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi John King.

      You typed,
      “some are better than the orginals”

      True – but I still prefer The Mindbenders’ original of “Groovy Kind Of Love”. I found the Phil Collins version insipid. I have a memory of singing, in unison, with mah best girl bah mah side, “Groovy Kind Of Love” at a party at Bob Costello Snr’s house, around 1970.

      Ah, memories. Aren’t they the stuff of dreams?

      Onnyhoo, to continue with your premise, I offer you these covers:-

    330. john king says:

      Right Im going to test peoples patience now with a “test peice” which by its very name is a “test” of a brass bands capabilities and not always were they very entertaining (for the audience), this one I have a special fondness for, since my band played severalyears ago in the Scottish championships, its called Year of The Dragon -the peice between 6.40 and 9.0 minutes still has the ability to raise every hair on my body.

    331. john king says:

      I couldnt have described this better than the conductor
      absolutely fantastic.

    332. cearc says:

      Liked the dragon.

    333. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Saturday Night SLab Tributes, please!

      Status Quo, ‘Down Down’ –

    334. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Two-For-The-Price-Of-One, aka SLab BOGOF Special:

      Talking Heads, ‘Burning Down The House’ (from ‘Stop Making Sense’) live, 1984 –

    335. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘But if you close your eyes…’

      Bastille, ‘Pompeii’ –

    336. Ian Brotherhood says:

      The Doors, ‘The End’ –

    337. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘Monstrous and empty luck, your wheel turns…everybody, cry with me!’

      Carl Orff, ‘O Fortuna’ –

    338. Bob Mack says:

      Think this one is apt
      “Ooh I like to dance a little side step”

      From the best little whore house in Texas.

    339. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘If I was richa I’d still be wit ya, now ain’t that some shit?’

      Cee Lo Green, Daryl Hall, ‘Fuck You’ –

    340. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘Goodbye father, I’m going to die,
      It sucks to die in the Springtime, ye know?
      But I’m leaving Peace’s flower in my soul.’

      Jacques Brel, ‘Le Moribond’ (Seasons In The Sun)

    341. Paula Rose says:

      *dancing spookily in Brechin*

    342. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      You mentioned “The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas” but didn’t paste a link.

      From the same fillum, I still think this beats Ms Houston’s cover version hands down.

    343. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Sorry, Ian B. It was Bob Mack who mentioned it.

    344. ronnie anderson says:

      And the winning entries in the songs competition goes to BDTT,
      it wiz the Cocker what swayed ma vote.

    345. clochoderic says:

      A couple of Del Amitri numbers:

      Driving with the brakes on

      Kiss this thing goodbye

      Nothing ever happens

    346. Paula Rose says:

      New game – Duncan for apples.

    347. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      And keeping to the theme of cover versions…

      Around 1967/68, every band in Dundee who had an organist, featured this in their repertoire. I remember seeing a band from Alloa, The Oryx, doing this at a Girl Guide dance in the hall of the middle one of the City Churches.

      How to make a cover version into something entirely different. Still one of my favourite singles/album tracks, in the world, ever… (And the other covers on the album are just as epic.)

    348. clochoderic says:

      This one is for Kezia :-

      George Thorogood – Get a haircut and get a real job

    349. CameronB Brodie says:

      As it’s Hallowe’en, here’s one for Macart (long overdue).

      The Frantics – Werewolf

    350. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Sam & Dave, ‘I Can’t Stand Up For Falling Down’ –

    351. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s one for wur ain Paula which also addresses the subject in-hand:

      The Damned, ‘New Rose’ –

    352. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Ah, Kezia…

      ‘I’m sure in her you’ll find the sanctuary…’

      The Cult, ‘She Sells Sanctuary’ –

    353. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      No more happy clappy for Labour. But how some about happy talk?

      Captain Sensible

    354. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      I’ve just read tonight’s latest page and that, along with your mention of Kezia, a couple of posts ago (She Sells Sanctuary), caused me to remember this.

      “You’re trapped in the web of her lies…”

    355. Thepnr says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon

      Never heard that song before. Liked it, great video and made me smile. Loved the dancers ๐Ÿ™‚

    356. Chic McGregor says:

      @Wuffing Dug

      Here are two recent pdf’s on the pressure vessel problem for the European Pressure Reactor.

      It is basically a material flaw stemming from the manufacturing process of the pressure vessel. Casting/pouring methodology has resulted in a segregation of carbon and as you know high concentrations of carbon increase the brittleness/fracturability of the steel.

      The first is the status report and proposed testing regime proposed by AREVA and submitted to the safety committee, the second is their opinion on that proposal.

      Aside from making some additional test recommendations, the committee, not surprisingly, has said we need to wait and see the results.

      Still squeaky bum time for AREVA, EDF and Hinkley Point.



    357. Wuffing Dug says:

      @Chic McG 10.36 & 10.39

      Thanks for the links, have copied your posts and e mailed them to myself so I can read at work tomorrow (at lunch time!) ๐Ÿ˜‰

      My broadband is still down, using my phone – it’s a nice big phone but still finding I’m straining my eyes sometimes while reading and typing on it.

      Material composition & processing problems, oh dear oh dear. Bloody hell, wonder who approved the material concession – the test results must have been way out.

    358. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘You should put me in a home or you should put me down…’

      Radiohead, ‘Myxomatosis’ –

    359. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Van Morrison, ‘So Quiet In Here’ –

    360. Paula Rose says:

      How dare you – I’ve spent hours cleaning up the over-used brass and now have you making a noise – pipe down.

    361. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Like the heroic John McTernan, I shall never be silenced, nor put my pipe down – he who puffs last puffs longest!

      And who, pray tell, is this ‘brass’ you refer to? Does s/he have any say in the matter?

    362. Paula Rose says:

      Oh I despair – away with you play your repetitive beat music in the corner.

    363. yesindyref2 says:

      A couple of the best guitarists in their world, in their way–7tA

    364. Chic McGregor says:


      Bert Jansch taught me his version of Angie, or at least the first half of it at a party way back then.

    365. Finlay says:

      [Copy+Pasted from a post I made today on Facebook. Thought I’d be as well posting it here.]

      I’m going to give the other side of this story as the BBC and TV licensers are massive fannies in my book.

      Firstly, I find it amusing how this has been branded as Scotland based news by the BBC when most of the assaults weren’t even in Scotland. Most of the incidents, organisations or quotes taken are from non-Scottish sources or didn’t happen in Scotland! It seems ‘criticism of the BBC’ is now a Scottish matter. Anyway, that isn’t my main point.

      Here is another article I recall reading last year based around roughly the same period of time reported in the BBC article.

      This tells another side of the story!

      Looking at the stats, we have the BBC claiming that between 2011 and 2014 there were 455 “verbal assaults” and 124 “physical assaults” on TV licensing staff – a total of 579 incidents.

      According to the Telegraph article, the BBC paid out compensation to around 2500 victims of aggressive TV licensing agents from about the same time. Almost FIVE TIMES more people being assaulted by TV licensers than the other way around!

      There are two interesting questions I will leave for you to think about:

      1. Why didn’t the BBC mention this in their article today?

      2. How many reported incidents of assault on TV licensing agents involve the same victims who were paid compensation?

      Perhaps today’s BBC article is extremely misleading and the TV licensing agents may be the aggressors in many of the cases reported by the BBC.

      I had some personal experience with some TV licensing agents in late 2014 who demanded entry to my house to inspect my property regarding TV licensing and my lack thereof. I intentionally hadn’t informed them that I didn’t require a TV license because I had heard reports of their aggression and wanted to see what they are like first-hand.

      At the time I had, next to my front door, a printed copy of the law regarding TV licensing agents requiring a police warrant to enter my house. (And some select quotes from the likes of Sir Malcolm Bruce – but that is a different story entirely!)

      I handed it over and explained to them what it was; to which I was told untruthfully: “We do not require a warrant.” I argued for maybe 5 to 10 minutes and eventually they left without the need for physical violence, though when I said “I know your job better than you do” it didn’t go down particularly well, and if you count sheer idiocy as a ‘verbal assault’ then maybe I’m a victim…

      I’ll conclude much as I began; the BBC and their TV licensing goons are fannies!

    366. yesindyref2 says:

      I did try the guitar but, being a piano player (classical) I didn’t want to strum but pick, but my fingers weren’t hard enough and I didn’t have the patience to “toughen up”. Nor a good enough guitar!

      Considering the Trident thread, this seems somehow appropriate:

    367. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      As I see it, we already have two Wingers, who can be referred to as “CG”.

      There’s Ian B – Cybernat Godfather, and Ronnie A – Cybernat Grandfather.

      Now we have Rev Stu as Cybernat General. Maybe we should all adopt a ‘CG’ moniker. For example, Paula Rose could be Cybernat Guddler.

      Huvvnae thought o’ ane for mehsel’ yit…

    368. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –


      Must dig out me cotton-wool balls and bow-tie…

    369. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Was hoping to meet Thepnr sometime this year to have a blether about an idea I’ve had stewing in my ginormous heid for a few years, but it’s not going to happen. Before we know it it’ll be 2016 and the countdown to the May election will start.

      We’ve just had a very brief exchange of e-mails and the man suggested I put it out there for general thoughts, so here goes…

      I’ll probably break this into a series of messages as they seem to get lost if you spend too long on one before sending it.

      Essentially, the idea is to harness the talent here in WOS to work together on a real project. Many of us first met one another via the WBB adventure, and there’s no doubting what a success that was, right?

      But what about us doing something else, while we’re waiting for the next referendum? Something solid and useful and non-‘political’?

      I can’t, off the top of my head, think of any specific field of expertise which isn’t represented by someone who posts here regularly, and, as Rev has pointed out many times, it’s only a wee toty percentage of readers who ever comment.

      So, that’s why I want to float this idea – it’s all well and good having a seminar, but we need something to do when we’re there. Yeah, we can talk about all sorts of stuff, have debates, invite guests, ask KG to Livestream it, and have a proper good swally into the bargain. That’s a given. But we could also use it to produce something very special.

    370. Ian Brotherhood says:

      So, my dear missus got a new job, about eight years ago – it involves support work for people with special needs, many of whom are confined to wheelchairs or have other mobility problems. I won’t name who she works for, or any of the people she works with, or where any of this happened, so there’s no privacy issues…

      She called me one day, asked me to help her. She’d been out with a service-user, a wheelchair-bound guy, and decided to take him to a local park where there’s a nice (fairly big – maybe two football-pitches worth) pond and a path going all the way around it. She had wheeled him there all the way from his home and was due to get him back to his parents for such-and-such a time. She thought she’d allowed plenty of time to get around the pond, but right at the end of the circuit which would take her back to the path she’d used to get into the park, there was a sudden rise and she couldn’t get the chair up. The guy was, I’m guessing, eleven or twelve stones, and the gradient didn’t look steep at all – it was barely visible from where she’d started. But she just couldn’t get the chair up, and going back all the way around the pond would’ve made her late.

      So I got there, and even with both of us pushing it wasn’t easy to get him up the slope, perhaps seven or eight metres.

      It wasn’t until she mentioned it to colleagues, long after the actual event, that she realised why so many service users and their relatives/carers didn’t use the place. If it wasn’t the gradient at that part of the path, it was the potholes in other parts, or ‘sunken’ patches which were under a semi-permanent layer of mud.

      So this is a local park – a really beautiful, quiet place, with deer, buzzards, foxes etc – and many local people simply cannot get the chance to enjoy it.

      Can you see yet where I’m going with this? ๐Ÿ™‚

    371. Paula Rose says:

      Yes Ian dear – have you checked your email box?

    372. Ian Brotherhood says:

      It’s not exactly rocket-science, and doesn’t need spelled-out, so…

      Hands-up who owned something like this:

    373. Paula Rose says:

      You expect me to remember that?

    374. cearc says:


      Tut, tut! Ronnie is Cybernat GREAT-Grandfather!

    375. Thepnr says:

      Hello Ian

      I loved the Hot Wheels cars, never owned any. I got lego. My cousin did though, he loved his hot wheels which was a whole lot hotter than lego.

      Mind you I was saddened when he got 10 years as the driver of the getaway car and I got a degree as an engineer and helped build all kinds of shit all over the world. He would have liked that too, my cousin. Hot Wheels though was his passion.

      Stay away from Hot Wheels is the message. Be a good boy and stick to lego.

    376. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      “HOT WHEELS”?

      Toys for kids! What you want is the real slot car deal:-

      Can we have a Wings Over Scotland Slot Car Racing Section please? I have a couple of cars – a Scalextric Ford GT40 and a Revell ’63 Corvette that I haven’t raced in anger… yet…

    377. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Imagine being stuck in a wheelchair, and whenever you do get the chance to get outside you’re taken, by someone else, to the cafรฉ in Asda (again), or the Shopping Mall (again) because they’re the safest places in town.

      Imagine being able to freewheel, at your own speed, away from roads and pavements and snarky shoppers?

      This isn’t about us actually constructing such routes – it’s about creating a rock-solid case for their construction. One that the usual talking-heads would eagerly approve, ‘knowing’ that planning permissions and/or quality-standard controls would put the mockers on it further down the line. But we cover all those details too – because we have expertise spanning all of these areas.

      And who pays for it? The charities who would make use of it, and the Councils who treat such charities as de facto suppliers of services they’ve jettisoned and don’t want back any time soon.

      If we do a lot of the donkey-work right here, we could have a get-the-gither, over say two, three days (early next year?) and thrash this into a viable plan – designed, costed, the works.

      I would happily get up on my trotters and sell this to anyone, anywhere, and I know there are other Wingers who are more than capable of covering the sales/PR side of it. It doesn’t really need much selling – who wouldn’t want it to work?

      But what about the other aspects? There must be many I haven’t even considered. Is anyone else, at least in principle, up for a discussion about it all?

    378. Paula Rose says:

      Ian yes, I know how to do it – hot wheels, my sister and I made a thirty foot track complete with a cable car from odds and sods – had to cover the gaps in the track we had, she’s now an engineer!

    379. Chic McGregor says:


      Aye, to play the guitar tolerably well (which I do not) you need to develop callouses on the finger tips and strength in the wrist and first finger (for barres) of the left hand. Requires regular practice.

      Back then being in a short-lived folk group ‘The Colonials’ I was keen, but an all-consuming career in semiconductors put paid to that (and the group).

      However I have returned very irregularly to it and have even composed a few tunes, the last, which started out as an attempt to encapsulate the clearances but ended up as a personal record of the referendum result.

      My wife is the pianist, grade 7 before she too succumbed to the lure of physics.

    380. cearc says:


      This sort of thing is pretty good

    381. Paula Rose says:

      You know we have such geniuses amongst us – Chic honey – a recording?

    382. Paula Rose says:

      Sorry Chic – not you the genius but moi, to have the foresight to build and furnish this space for loveliness, now please settle and play.

    383. cearc says:

      Many, many years ago, I worked for a year or two doing recreational therapy (jaunts and parties) with severely physically and mentally disabled adults. The man who ran it insisted that all his staff spent a whole day each year in a push-only wheelchair. It was most enlightening.

    384. Chic McGregor says:

      I suppose I could use the computer mic to record a tune but I doubt if my amateur efforts would be of any great interest to those here. My compositions were purely for my own personal satisfaction although sometimes inflicted on members of my immediate family.

      Genius they are not I fear.

    385. Paula Rose says:

      Chic – you are a hero in the echelons – please be amongst friends (and fiends) and allow us the chance to sit quietly.

    386. Paula Rose says:


    387. Paula Rose says:

      Chic – no more the cringe – if I had what I see in you the English would have a chance (irony) – in tiny letters – please play us your tune.

    388. Proud Cybernat says:

      The new Glasgow super hospital is doing just fine, despite the BBC rubbish. See here:

      Another Proud Cybernat Production:

      BBC Lies versus Spanish Ayes

      And for those who missed the earlier vid:

      โ€˜The Vowโ€™ A Promise Broken

      As ever folks, spread far โ€˜nโ€™ wide.

    389. yesindyref2 says:

      I guess I was somewhere between a grade 5 and 8, not great at the sight reading though. Having packed up on the idea of the guitar I got back to piano and wanted to be able to get to the end of the 3rd movements of some Beethoven sonatas without tiring and getting inaccurate.

      So I slung together this kind of scale and arpeggio thing, going through the keys, sounded not bad. And I did them until my wrists burned and my fingers hurt – and kept going, thought I was doing good. It’s probably why I got RSI, that and being far too long on UseNet ๐Ÿ™‚

      RSI’s under control for years now I can detect the signs and desist, still a fast typer though not as accurate as I used to be. But haven’t bothered with the piano since.

    390. Paula Rose says:

      The ole jo’anna is in the lounge just down the hall on the left – help yourselves.

    391. yesindyref2 says:

      Musing away before doing a bit of work. A lot of musicians owed their origins to classical music, from Lady Gaga, Adele, KT Tunstall back to Moody Blues, Rick Wakeman, ELO naturally and Sandy Denny, amongst hundred of others. They made the crossover, perhaps it’s not too late for me when I can afford the time …

    392. Chic McGregor says:


      My main gripe (unexpressed of course) is that my wife only plays be sight reading although I love hearing her play. But innovation or playing by ear is not her bag, I understand that.

      Not quite sure if you are calling me a wimp or genius. Pretty certain I am neither.

      But as explained above, other-than-strumming guitar playing requires pretty much a prolonged period of daily practice.
      Having not picked up a guitar in anger since indyref1 the finger tips of my left hand are currently as soft as a baby’s bottom and due to my working through a backlog of long postponed tasks (due to indy commitments) that is a situation unlikely to change for some months at least.

      Bottom line is I couldn’t do any tunes, even my own, justice at this moment in time.

    393. Paula Rose says:

      polishes keyboard

    394. Cactus says:

      How do we do regulars? Liking your ideas Ian Brotherhood, especially the getting the peoples togethers again, would be good to have a series of all-day events.

      In the meantime, whose next up for the seasonal session.. Glasgow, Edinburgh, Bath, Aberdeen, Helensburgh, your place?

      p.s. Thought the fireworks display at Glasgow Green pretty darn good last night, noticed a few new braw bangers too! Point of interest.. noticed lots and lots of red rocket ka-booms and few blue ones by comparison.

      Merry Guy Fawkes day.

    395. Cactus says:

      “For Fawkes ache” ๐Ÿ™‚

    396. Cactus says:

      Hi aye Chic McGregor & yesindyref2, fair play to yee’s, playing the musical instruments for pleasure is a groovy. Maybe next time at The Clyde Bar..

      I wonder what Scottish songs are gonna be written for Scotland’s next series of big votes?

      If I owned a bar, I’d have at the very least a house guitar.

    397. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      On a previous little conversation on O/T a few day ago I tried to put one of the better and most interesting covers I have heard – Joe Cocker’s version of Marley’s “Could You Be Loved” but I couldn’t post up somehow. To which I would add Peter Tosh’s “Johnny Be Goode”, currently my favourite piece.

      I maybe an ancient old fecker now. But I still find myself doing what I did when I was 20. Playing the same number over and over till I get every little nuance. I remember in a cafe at Burnbank Cross playing “Good Vibrations” six times on the juke box (and I was a teacher at a local high school at the time).
      Tell me I’m not mad.
      Just wondering if Little Richard wrote “She’s Got It ” with Nicola in mind

    398. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill –

      You’re not mad.


      Saw your letter in National yesterday. Do you just e-mail them, or hand-write? Just wondering. My granddad used to write a letter to the (Glasgow) Herald every day, and did it for decades. When he died they published a nice wee obituary for him.

    399. David says:

      Labour thingmy Blair McDougall Tweeted two hours ago, writing:

      “proud to announce my new column for the Herald on a Thursday.”

      Dear oh dear. Giving him another corporate media platform to spout his lies, mis-statements, and near-truths about Proud Labour.

    400. David says:

      Just found this one for the ‘Where Are They Now’ Dept.:
      Rob Shorthouse, ex Director of Communications for Better Together, has been a Client and Communications Director at ScotRail since May. I hope it pays his mortgage.

      Bing-bong! Stand clear of the edge, please!

    401. john king says:

      Cardinal sin now
      Im going to play a “wind band” (spit) version of “Aetearoa” (The Land of the Long White Cloud) by Philip Sparke because the only brass Band effort I could find was quite frankly shit
      this is about the discovery of New Zealand.

      I played this many years ago (second trombone) in the eighties and loved playing it.

    402. Paula Rose says:

      Yippee – more brass!

    403. john king says:


    404. john king says:

      well how about this one then?
      they actually play the spoons on IDS’s head

      I was only thirteen years old when I first played this

    405. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Going from brass to wind…

      I bought this single when it was released, decades ago.

      Then, the same melody turned up last year, with a new title…

    406. Thepnr says:

      FFS John brass is OK but thirteen minutes? A bit too much for me. Anyway you might recognise this, a REAL spoon player.

    407. john king says:

      youve made me bring out the big guns
      this guys frigging amazing

    408. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      OK, keeping on the “spoons” vibe.
      What about the track that had Billy Butlin on spoons and Eric Clapton on ukekele?

    409. Thepnr says:

      Haha John

      Tuba player was amazing but where the fuck were the spoons ๐Ÿ™‚

    410. john king says:

      those are “test peices” and in their own right are mini symphonies Alex, 13 minutes is average for the duration of these copositions, and some can be 18 (or more) minutes, a real test of a brass band (and in some cases the audience) but consider they are generally broken into three movements to allow for the listener (and the band) to take enjoyment from the piece.

    411. Paula Rose says:

      Well that’s us well and truly put in our place *turns away unconcerned*

    412. john king says:

      why dont we just “take five”

    413. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      John King – Well caught!

    414. john king says:

      Well aint it a good thing your not obliged to click on the link,
      eh Paul?

    415. Thepnr says:

      No sweat John, I know you love your brass. Give mine to Irene xx

    416. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Peter Brotherwood at 12.57

      I email letters all over the place. Oddly that letter in the National was also printed verbatim in the Sun

      Got it this time I hope

    417. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      And I meant to post this one as well

    418. yesindyref2 says:

      Now here’s a find, no George sadly, but reminds me of Sunday lunchtimes in the Charleston in Largs.

      Mmm, I’m in the mood for muzak, frustrating day yesterday. FMQ watching was the high point!

    419. cearc says:

      Well if we’re talking about playing stuff on different instruments, I take it that you all know these guys.



      You cannot be a WIMP, you interact too strongly.

    420. john king says:

      Ok you lot win,
      I’ll play some of your “modern” music”
      cant stand the stuff meself,
      well this ones ok I suppose.

    421. Paula Rose says:

      Don’t you dare – I love your choices – real music.

    422. john king says:

      I particulary dislike this one,
      all noise if you ask me
      and they need a haircut
      A spell in the army would do them good if you ask me.

    423. Paula Rose says:

      All that repetitive beat music…

    424. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Alex Thepnr.

      Just watched the “Empire strikes back” video you gave the link for last night. (I know, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to keep up to speed with all the comments on the current pages.)

      It was good to watch it again. Scottish humour – ARF ARF!!

    425. john king says:

      Dont even get me started on what this sounds like,
      well now that you ask,
      Its like coming out of the novocaine at the dentists
      (and not in a good way)

    426. john king says:

      I shouldnt eat cheese before bedtime
      It’ll keep me up all night now.

    427. john king says:

      A wee bit o fusion

      Whit wid Mrs Pachelbel say?

    428. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Aye, guitars eh?

      ‘The Return of the Angriest Guitar Player in The World’

    429. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi john king.

      Re: Pachelbel. Did you ever listen to “Funtwo” doing the Canon?

      Here’s an updated version:-

      Type Funtwo into YouTube’s search box to see what happened to him after the first YouTube video, in 2008, like this:-

      BTW: here’s the original video, Uploaded on 17 Nov 2008, and now with a total of 4,163,743 views.

    430. yesindyref2 says:

      Just watching the Imperial Masters one. How that didn’t win for YES I don’t know.

      Glasgow have banned rickshaws now.

    431. JLT says:

      Bonjour folks!

      How’s it going? Hope everybody is well.

      Now don’t all punch me at once (I’ve been very busy this last week and half, and have been nowhere near Wings), but is there any new gathering approaching fast …especially with Christmas and all its festivities only a month away?

    432. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi yesindyref2.

      If nothing else, campaigning for YES was fun, wiz it no’?

      The optimism and hope was there. I can’t guess what was going through the minds of BT…

    433. Paula Rose says:

      Yes – Brechin, just me and you JLT *flutters*

    434. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi JLT.

      The last get-together was Invergowrie so it’s up to another toon to pick up the baton.

      We haven’t had a “Wings Over Aberdeen” yet…

    435. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Or a “Wings Over Inverness”…

    436. Paula Rose says:

      Wings over anywhere – to have another badge hand-crafted by Pete the Camera is a price beyond compare,

    437. JLT says:

      Paula …LOL (shake my head with a wee chuckle)

      Brian …how you doing?

      Inverness or Aberdeen would be good …but that might have to be a weekender …as in …all weekend!!!! With the distance …we would have to make the most of it!

    438. Paula Rose says:

      *puts on flouncey skirt*

    439. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @JLT –

      Dare I presume you’ve been ‘busy’ with essay deadlines?

      If so, SNAP!

      And if you’ve got them over-with? ‘BIG REASSURING MAN-CUDDLE’

      One hurdle at a time big-yin…we’re getting there, one way or another.


    440. JLT says:

      Ian mate …hello!!!

      And yes. Just submitted my first for the year this week. Two part question; one part on royal government ship in the 15th century (War of the Roses in other words) and symbolism and meaning in the Catholic Church pre-Reformation. Both …500 words. Brutal. I could have written pages but the OU just wanted a summary within 500 words. Must have re-written both parts about half a dozen times each over a week and a bit LOL

      How’s you anyway matey?

    441. Paula Rose says:


    442. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @JLT –

      Hingin’ in there buddy, by the proverbials.

      Don’t much like the sounds of your preoccupations au moment. Mine are revolving around 18th-C coffee houses, New Zealand novelists and the likes of yer Joyce and Eliot. A fearsome cocktail to be sure, to be sure…

      More power to ye – it’ll be worth it in the end-up. (For the Student Loans Company at any rate!)


    443. JLT says:

      Paula …LOL

      I hope you are also keeping well, Paula. Need to have a good old blather again LOL

    444. Michael McCabe says:

      Beanfields. Check out the Birds.

    445. Michael McCabe says:

      Sorry forgot the Link. Beanfields Check out the Birds.

    446. JLT says:

      Hi Ian (or rather …morning! LOL)

      Yep, up and back at the studying again. To be honest, your field of study does look rather interesting. Put it this way, you are definitely getting to read the classics, and even getting into the mindset of some of the greatest writers in the Western World.

      Yeah …the last assignment was brutal. Two small essays where you are trying to define the key elements of those periods with not only quotes from the OU material, but also backing those quotes up from historical evidence from other works. Seriously (and as said) …I must have started both essays half a dozen times over the week …growled …and begun again. Honestly, some TMA questions ask a simple question …and they just end up having you cursing and swearing within a very short period of time LOL. However, my knowledge on both has gone stratosphere and I would be happy to answer both if they appeared as questions in the Exam next June.

      However …new week …new topic. This next month or so is actually on the Civil War of the 1700’s. Episcopalian England v’s Presbyterian Scotland v’s Catholic Ireland v’s Charles I v’s Cromwell. Seriously …what is there not to like when learning this? LOL. Certainly one of the highlights of this years course.

      Anyway, keep the faith Ian. As you say …one step at a time. We’ll get there, mate ..we’ll get there.

    447. Wuffing Dug says:

      Bdtt @11.19

      Wings over aberdeen, now there’s an idea I like.

      BTW how do you get a wings badge, is it like a blue Peter badge but for bad cyber nats?

    448. Ronnie says:

      Wings over Aberdeen?

      Definitely on for that!

      Perhaps get to meet the ‘Blue Angel’?

      (See my post on ‘Big Girls Shoes’ – probably more appropriate here.)

    449. Ronnie says:

      @Wuffing Dog.

      Rarer than rocking horses’.

      Got mine from Rev Stu ootside The Albanach during the 2013 March & Rally.

      There were only 100 of those.

      Wear it daily – with pride, tho’ folk think it has military connections.

      But there may be more to come during crowdfunders.

    450. kendomacaroobar says:

      @Ronnie. Faither, I have found 3 blue on white ceramic badge if that helps?

    451. Ronnie says:

      @ kendo.

      Thanks, Ken. I automatically tend to think of the original.

      Your design is, of course a work of art.

      I also have a spare of these ‘ceramic beauties’.

      So if Wuffing Dog wants to contact me, I’ll gladly part with it.

      If there’s a demand for more locally, I’ll get back to you?

    452. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Wuffing Dug.

      We started doing the Wings ‘get-together’ badges for the first ‘Wings Over Invergowrie’, in September, 2014. We continued to do them for subsequent get-togethers, changing the background colours, for a bit of variety.

      You can see an example here:-

    453. X_Sticks says:


      Wings over Aberdeen?

      Definitely on for that!

      Sounds like a volunteer there Ronnie. ๐Ÿ˜€

    454. Paula Rose says:

      Hint to Ronnie and Wuffing Dug – find a reasonably priced cocktail bar, fix a date and then tell us.

    455. Wuffing Dug says:

      Ronnie @ 4.18

      That’s a very kind offer, I was kind of thinking I would have to ‘earn’ one though :).

      As for the badges ‘military connections’ you could have a laugh with that if you weren’t dealing with shrill unionists.

      @Paula R
      I’m sure I’ve been to a cocktail bar in Aberdeen. … Think it was ‘Orchid’.

      As for the reasonably priced bit, we are talking aberdeen here, everything’s a mickey take.

      Will do some digging.

    456. Paula Rose says:

      Now – which heels for Aberdeen?

    457. Ronnie says:

      @ X-Sticks, Wuffing Dog & Paula,

      I was thinking along the lines of an afternoon Tea Dance at the ‘Beach’?

      I have no experience of anything seedy, you see…

    458. Ronnie says:

      …other than tomatoes, sweet pees, etc.

    459. Paula Rose says:

      Ronnie how sweet!

    460. Ronnie says:

      and I need to be home before dark….

    461. Paula Rose says:

      *whistles whilst making torches*

    462. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Happy P.S. to my 9.24 post last night. If in any doubt about how hard-won this little victory was, go back and check out what the guy put himself through trying to learn it. Awesome.

      The Angriest Guitar Player in the world finally gets ‘Magic Man’ right –

    463. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Brilliant compilation of old Public Information Films.

      Wee Saturday Night Teaser for those of a certain vintage –

      Can you remember the film containing the line ‘My Dad! In our new car!’

      When you see these, they come back instantly, even if it’s forty years or more since you last saw them. Brilliant stuff.

      P.S. Answer to teaser can be found approx. 7.30.

    464. Stoker says:

      These b@st@rds feast as the peasants go hungry and cold.

    465. Wuffing Dug says:

      @Paula, Ronnie & X-Sticks

      Tea and dancing during the day, beer and cocktails at night. Nice. BTW I can’t dance will leave that to yous.

      Alas, it is winter, daylight I barely knew thee….

      I’m still a ‘relatively’ ahem ‘partyer’ or so I like to think – so 2am limit for me, ‘medium’ and no shots or jagermeisters.

      I too have no experience of anything seedy.

      Aye right.


      Heels – Fur lined (if such a creation exists), baltic here got soaked and frozen while out biking today and it’s only going to get worse.

    466. Ronnie says:

      Apropos Aiberdeen Tea Dance, and not having been able to attend previous Wings ‘occasions’, can I take it that there will be no singing of sinful ditties?

      Or other distasteful practices?


    467. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie –

      Tread carefully friend…

      Cliff Richard, ‘Devil Woman’ –

    468. cearc says:

      ‘ can I take it that there will be no singing of sinful ditties?

      Or other distasteful practices?’

      It wouldn’t be a Wings knees-up without them!

    469. Paula Rose says:

      Snake and I are having a close encounter.

    470. Ian Brotherhood says:

      La Fontaines, ‘Canny Get Ma Granny Aff The Drugs’ –

    471. Ronnie says:

      ‘Knees-Up’ ?

      Sounds a trifle vulgar.

    472. Paula Rose says:

      *cuddles up with snake, smiles sweetly*

    473. Ronnie says:

      @Ian B.

      Mrs R is a ‘Cliffy’ fan.

      You’ve no idea what I’ve had to succumb to all these years…

    474. cearc says:

      Trifle is vulgar.

    475. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @cearc –

      ‘Trifle is vulgar’.

      Hey, that’s profound! :O

    476. Ronnie says:

      ‘Sir, you have custard coming out of your ear’.

      ‘Could you speak up, please, I’m a trifle deaf’.

    477. Stoker says:

      I wonder if this is a part of our “development” as a country!

    478. Chic McGregor says:


      The wags commenting on that are clearly oblivious to Clyde Space’s record in the cubesat satellite field.

      Around 40% of those satellites deployed has used Clyde Space hardware and there are courrently about 60 projects in development worldwide.


    479. Wuffing Dug says:

      Chic @4.10

      Hi Chic,

      Broadband is back up and running so looking at those reactor vessel reports.

      Am actually dealing with something similar at the minute but thankfully material testing has verified that an error in heat treatment has not adversely affected material strength or toughness.

      Thanks for the links, it’s good to be able to see this sort of stuff and gain some knowledge / perspectives from other industries.

    480. Paula Rose says:

      Very occasionally in here there are topics of which I have very little knowledge – always impressed by our skill base and expertise.

    481. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Paula Rose.

      I refer you to Faraday’s Law:-

      “When the flux linking a circuit changes, an emf is induced. The magnitude of the induced emf is directly proportional to the rate of change of flux linkage.”

      The ‘flux linkage’ that changed was the relationship between us plebs and the corpmedia. The emf that was induced was our increasing distrust of the veracity of what we were being fed, more and more, AS FACT. The more that corpmedia cranked up the propaganda, the greater was the breakdown in what had been trust.

      The end result is defined by Lenz’s Law:-

      “The induced emf acts in such a manner to oppose the cause to which is was due.”

      That distrust (the ’emf’) in the corpmedia’s output has now evolved into a situation where we are actively opposing the corpmedia, with every tool at our disposal; Wings, Facebook, Twitter, Commonspace, Wee Ginger Dug, Bella Caledonia and so on.

      Physics is useful…


    482. Paula Rose says:

      I know all sorts of things about physiques – some of the applications are though are new to me.

    483. Paula Rose says:

      damn auto-correct

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