Are you perhaps forgetting Scotland’s and England’s needs are different?
]]>Sorry, my dimwitted little beta male feminist but ive been allowing you to argue a point i didnt make. I agree immigration is mostly good for a nation. Unfortunately for you I said ‘uncontrolled illegal immigration.’ So why dont you go ahead and post another article written by some unemployable gender studies halfwit?
]]>You are talking to sad little people who take any deviation from their own thinking as a personal assault. Ive said it before: i know pro independence scots who like WOS but avoid the comments because of the minority of utter fannies who troll it
]]>Spot on, and well put.
I would be more blunt, as you probably know, about the likes of ‘cassandra’ the British Nationalist shit stirring agitator.
But after your excellent post, i do not have to.
Just to add, we are called the posting police etc on here, yet these cretins are STILL able to post every day to undermine Nicola and the SNP, so we are THE worse posting police, or these britnats are talking a load of drivelous slavers.
And yeah, t’was rhetorical, we all know the answer to that one.
To ‘cassandra’: repost your last pro indy/SNP/Nicola Sturgeon post, complete with date stamp.
I bet, as Petra says, you cannot as there are none.
]]>Sometimes tempted myself but then think about waking up with a hangover and finding this mess is still going on. Double whammy.
Think we will just have to see it through stone cold sober – but an occasional chocolate bar is allowed. Scotland has some great chocolate makers.
]]>Having contributed latterly to this topic, I suppose I’m one of your intended “others”, yet if you had been paying any attention of late, you might just have noticed that I have also taken some flak at times for arguing in favour of open debate, and for constructive criticism of the SNP, because the party is composed of fallible human beings just like the rest of us. But what I just can’t abide is abuse of the readership in the form of the peddling of distortions and outright lies, and sleekit frenemy attempts to belittle and undermine the cause of independence, at the heart of which is necessarily the SNP, like it or not.
As to “hate Sturgeon” reactions, in my experience they only come from three sources:
+ outright anti-indy propagandists like the Tories and their press lackeys,
+ ordinary folk taken in by the former and using that expression as a shallow alibi for refusing to engage with the issues,
+ the small coterie of armchair-revolutionary fellow-travellers on the far left who are marginalised by popular opinion and utterly consumed by jealousy at the considerably greater success of the SNP, and whom are anyway just as likely at the drop of a hat to vote for JC their Saviour instead if he looks like offering a better chance of giving them their Nirvana.
Of those, the only ones worth a hang are the middle group, who are themselves increasingly finding a revaluation of opinion necessary in the light of recent events, and whose former poor superficial opinion of the SG leadership typically dramatically flips overnight as they finally grasp the realities.
As to your appearances BTL, I used to defend you, but Petra has pre-empted me here, since I also fail to detect even a smidgen of encouragement in your ever-predictable negativity. Like the Leavers, we can very easily see what you’re against, but have no clue whatever what you’re actually for.
If you want to be taken seriously, you’ll have to up your game. Or we may continue to draw the obvious conclusions.
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‘When is a democracy not a democracy? When it’s in Britain.’
…”Under FPTP, Scotland has been of no consequence to Labour, so naturally, it’s stopped caring about or even attempting to understand it. Even its rallying call of “vote SNP, get Tories” only draws loud attention to the very thing which has done so much to break the UK apart. Labour hasn’t protected Scotland from the ravages of neo-liberalism over the last 35 years. It can’t and won’t do so now, and in a so-called democracy, it publicly warns the electorate against voting for who they want! There could scarcely be a better advertisement for PR, and in the event of independence, PR – real self-determination, real choice, and real representation – is what Scottish voters will at long last be granted.”
]]>Your focus seems to be on undermining Nicola Sturgeon SNP, not the Unionists – Davidson Tory, Leonard Labour or Rennie Libdem. Why’s that?
You say that, ”Indy supporters come in all varieties … there is no one size fits all, the way the dominant posters here would imagine”.
How would, could you ever actually apperceive what we imagine? What we know? How very presumptuous of you. Do you really think that the (variety of) Independence supporters on here have no idea of the ”varieties” of Independence supporters that are out there? I for one have been in contact with the ”varieties”, on a daily basis, over many years now, however when all is said and done there’s one route ONLY to us achieving our objective and that’s to support the SNP / Nicola Sturgeon whether you like them / her, or not. The immediate choice is simple with the end result being obvious. Following Independence people can support / vote for whomever they like.
The Unionists see Nicola Sturgeon as being the woman who holds the future of the Union in her hands (the most dangerous woman in the UK). Her supporters (even on here) are seen to be a threat too. As a consequence the Establishment have been / are doing everything in their power to discredit her and her supporters, including infiltrating online sites. They do that in an attempt to ensure that the Union remains intact. So I ask myself, why would any genuine independence supporter want to join their ranks?
In naming me, for one, you say that, ”This cult of the personality is making Independence so difficult to achieve because of zealots who cannot see any criticism of the current leader of the SNP as anything other than heresy.”
I don’t have any objection to people criticising Nicola Sturgeon, but when it becomes more of a fixation, or a preoccupation to the exclusion of all else, such as castigating Unionists, I become very wary of the individual’s motives indeed.
The bottom line is that we won’t see Scotland becoming Independent without Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP. The popularity of that party and its leader is absolutely crucial to us winning IndyRef2, with the establishment being totally cognizant of that fact. One doesn’t have to ”widen their horizons” to know that. You with your seemingly unique ability to ”widen your horizons” are very well aware of this too, no doubt. Aren’t you.
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Try and a bit more original old-chap. What about a bit of science to support your argument? You could start by supporting your claim that immigration is harmful to society. Go on, prove you’re views aren’t simply cultural prejudice.