Person swears on internet
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Rev. Stuart Campbell
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This interweb thingy is just like real life, eh, what a discovery!
It gets a bit repetitive. You would expect certain members of the Press to be more creative with their language?
Now can someone tell me why this sort of language from so-called journos isn’t headline news on BBC Reporting Scotland?
Lunchtime news greetin’ again today that N Sturgeon has asked Yes supporters to mind their language on the internet when commenting on international rugby! Hurry, call the polis.
Young Mr Daisley seems quite nice.
And who would spend time logging this sad stuff?
Ah yes, but you have to swear at someone who has more than a certain level of cash in the bank for it to be news.
There’s an excuse for the rest of the bastards, but Hugo! dearyfuckinme.
@wil Podmore.
Just someone who likes a balanced view of things.
Tit
@Will Podmore
Errmm, it’s not “logging” it’s called searching, using things called “search terms”.
And I thought you knew how to use the internet.
A! unionism and journalism is that the level the EBC wishes us to aim for? Hypocrisy & Sleaze the English Broadcsting Corpse RIP standards and impartiality.
Will
Somebody highlighting the fact journalists are fucking hypocrites?
What a fucking disgrace.
I am shocked, shocked to find swearing on the internet.
Good to know that journos who complain about Online Cybernat abuse are above dishing it out themselves, Oh…
It is better to be a Yes voter dissatisfied than a treasonous pig satisfied…
Don’t forget it.
@ Will Podmore – fuck right off.
I’m deeply disappointed in the way Nicola Sturgeon allows herself to be used by the media in this way. Thank fuck I’m fucking off myself.
The lexicon of Unionism does not appear to be particularly extensive.
But Stuart, you told the right holy anointed sainted one to ‘fuck off’, in the righteous world of high morality we live in that is not allowed. Saint Joanne cannot be blasphemed she must be listened to and lauded as her perfumed farts travel downwind to tickle those chosen to follow her without question. Don’t fight what you can’t hope to win against, join the Church of Joanne and feel the love… and exclusive updates on the Harry Potter musical!
Swearing is a sign of a poor education As I don’t have a english “O” level it’s ok for me, with my limited grammar and comprehension. but my wife looks at what I post and I use my real name so I am buggered!
Just more unionist hypocrisy. I could swear about it but then I’d be accused of being a nasty Nat.
Well fuck me sideways with a hedgehog. The bastards are taking the fuckin piss.
Rev, I am completely with you on this one. These carping unionists who were so very vocal, telling us weren’t a real country during the referendum, and insisted it is better we stay as an English colony, change their tune for Rugby.
Surely ‘Britain’ would be THEIR team. Shouting ‘Come on Scotland, come on Scotland’ for 80 bl*****g minutes, then ‘actually I prefer to be British’ afterwards. To such people, the word ‘Scotland’ is a mere social convenience, no more, no less. The rugby equivalent of football’s 90 minute patriots.
The mind numbing hypocrisy involved in all of it, is what really irks me.
instead of fcuk off
couldn’t you of said
fine–cheering Scotland on for 80 mins and I welcome it
but tax credit cuts for working poor are a lifetime while in the Union
Does anyone else get the impression that these characters are just a wee bit unhappy?
Things don’t seem to be going their way. 🙂
And all because a super rich English lady paid UKOK £1,000,000 to stop Scotland becoming a nation state. Its bit like that old War over Jennifer’s ear tragicomedy. Takes you back eh.
“The War over Scotland botherer JK Rowling.”
I hear you’ve been a naughty boy again, Rev….
In my estimation losing the rag is never, ever a good idea (although I unerstand it under the circumstances to the raw nerve of defeat).
I have never won an argument where I first insult the opposition. I prefer to grind them down with my insanely cheerful and constructive manner. Slowly but steadily. I may not convert the hardcore unionists (which is really impervious to thoughtful discourse) but at least my blood pressure stays withing toreable limits and I can always talk to them afterwards. That way I manage to pick of the middle, NO vote that can be reasoned with. That is the 20% we have to swing the next time. I’d even wager to say that Rowling might in that group to.
Oops.
I seem to have f****d up and joined the local f**k you club.
Being the village idiot I am used to making f**k ups but to come across a whole diatribe of *ahem* intellectuals telling others to f**k off is quite an eye opener to me. No really it is. 😉
I’m so f****d up over this whole F**k off story line I will have to go lie down in a *cough* Darkened Room for quite some time. I’m totally f****d up over this. 😀
She pays her taxes to the London government not the Scottish one.
If there is one thing that absolutely needs to be understood by Wingers and Yes supporters in general, is the level of contempt that we are held in by the Unionist Establishment and their pet poodles of the MSM.
We are The Enemy and make no bones about it, it is as The Enemy that we are approached, regarded and engaged with.
Therefore the normal polite, fair rules are discarded. The Geneva Convention of polite discourse doesn’t exist. The Scottish landscape of political discussion became the Eastern Front when the SNP got a majority in the Scottish Parliament. We are hated and our goal is hated even more.
Reading those made me quite teary.
I can hear my dead, much missed, father in every ‘fuck’
Sniffles
made me fucking greet!
Seems to me the defining characteristics of the British Establishment are a )hypocrisy b) accusing their opponents of what they’re doing but swearing blind their not. Now fuck off the lot of you.
To all Brit Nats and 80 minute patriots – fuck off! Awa and greet you will no get a hug from me. Got that off my chest. Angra beat me to what I was going to say.
What is in the main stream media’s eye, and especially highlighted for reporting, is as consistent as rugby union refereeing.
I bet Tolkien is turning in his fuckin grave that some arsehole used initials just like him, and wrote an inferior fantasy series that a fuckin Hobbit could have written.
Aw come on! This is a family site. Young people come on here to read pearls of wisdom…….on second thoughts, having recently experienced a trip on the top deck of the bus during the school run, carry on.
The kids have got you all beaten for inventiveness anyway.
Its weird googling Bliar MacDougal and JK Rowling in UKOK history
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11110163/Scottish-referendum-Hour-by-hour-hope-turned-to-despair-for-Yes-voters.html
19 Sep 2014 – JK Rowling leads victory cry as Scotland votes No … Blair McDougall, director of the Better Together campaign, predicted that a high turnout ..
Big Bliar says it was him what won it but its JK Rowling that lead the victory cry. Fair enough, a million quid payoff to close down Scottish democracy is pretty big deal for red and blue tories.
Yes Britnat WoS readers, we know, JK Rowling paid the dosh because Scotland is only an annoying region of UK, too small, poor, stupid to run our own country.
So Rowling was in tears after the Wuggah was she? Was it crocodile tears?
In the first Scottish Independence Referendum of 18th September 2014, 1,617,989 people voted YES, but 2,001,926 voted no. If the exact same number of people were to vote in indyref2, then 191,969 of those NO voters would need to be persuaded to change their minds.
“You two can both fuck off. You don’t think we’re a nation at all.”
Telling 2,001,926 people who voted NO that “You don’t think we’re a nation at all” seems to me to be a pretty fucking stupid way of going about trying to win their hearts and minds – and their YES vote in indyref2.
I’ve asked this question before, and ask it again, in the nicest possible way, can’t JK Rowling find something useful to do with her life. I mean, we know she is rich, but she is still young, surely she could really devote herself to something other than what we have seen during the weekend?
Through good fortune she can do things all over the world that other Scots will never get the chance to do. I just don’t understand why she just seems to sit at home, tweeting all day. I mean, what’s the point?
A serious question.
Yesindyref2,
With the greatest respect, that is NOT what happened, as I guess you already know.
Gentlemen, Ladies – remember:
Noli illegittemi carborundum.
Anent Ms Rowling; it is often said of a somewhat eccentric Scot, who heads down Dr Johnson’s “high road to England”: his/her departure doubled the average IQ of the place in Scotland she left, and the one in England to which he/she went.
Might it therefore be true – Rowling’s move from England to Scotland doubled the average IQ of where she came from, as surely as it halved the average IQ in Edinburgh.
I agree heedtracker. But if I said a certain person who wrote a load of old bollocks about wizards can fuck right off, it will be read out by a certain mutton dressed as lamb presenter of Reporting North Britain. So I won’t.
Stephen.
I don’t use foul language myself and I refuse to get down the sewer level of the unionists.
As for the double standards of the media commentators, the only way to be them is not buy their newspapers or visit
their twitter or blogs if they have no one to respond too the they are talking to thin air.
I also noted that in today’s courier Nicola Sturgeon has warned independence supporters against online abuse.
Can we then expect the same directives to issued by Dugdale, Davidson and Rennie over the abuse dished out by their internet trolls.
Stuart Campbell does of course think much the same as Scotland – as he’s previously tweeted: “And if Scotland is too spineless to walk away from this in 2014, having waited for over 300 years for one chance, then fuck Scotland too”.
A lot of ‘oooooh no, you’ve set us back with this’ type nonsense being spouted. Drivel. The people looking to moan about this sort of thing would be voting No now and forever.
But a bit of concern trolling about how it could ‘tip the balance next time’ never goes amiss. Nonsense. If anyone really goes through a thought process whereby they go ‘well, life will be bad if I vote No but a Yes supporter said a sweary so I better just vote No’ then they’re soft in the head. We’re a country (well, not quite, but you know what I mean) of cheeky barstewards, for God’s sake.
And the others who keep saying that we have to be better than the other side are in fact accepting the idea that we must because the media demands it, thus letting them set the rules. Every Yes supporter could give up swearing forever and donate £100 to charity every day and it still wouldn’t be enough. They are picking on it because it’s that or something else.
So, if you’re a swearer, be true to yourself and blimming well swear if you want to. You do not have to pretend to be an English ‘gentleman’. As it happens, I’m not much of a swearer myself and can probably be over diplomatic. I’m sure as hell not going to castigate anyone who does swear a bit, though.
And I wish people would stop acting as if it’s shameful and must be eradicated because certain sections of the media, who most would otherwise agree deserve to be paid no heed or respect, whine on about it. Far as I’m concerned, let people express themselves how they will. The end.
Yesindyref2 @ 4:41
That might hold true if it was simply a q of identity. But, for many, it might come down to material circumstances and perceptions of that in indy scenario.
If people are struggling, they are NOT going to go ‘oooooh, that Stu swore and said we didn’t think it was a nation so I’m voting No now’. Get real. People are thicker skinned than that.
I notice the Rev is on the radar big time these days. Gets a mention in BBC article on this online abuse outrage, and also in Herald if I recall correctly. I think the Rev is using Charles Manson mind control techniques on nationalists/separatists/online abusers.
I think this is appropriate bearing in mind the origin of the twitter spat. Please accept my apologies if it is deemed off topic.
The Grauniad has been generous enough to suggest that some of our team are almost good enough to be British (or at least that’s how I interpreted it). The final paragraph of their story ends with:
“While it will be no consolation to Scotland now, their future looks extremely bright. In Stuart Hogg, Mark Bennett, Finn Russell, the Gray brothers and Denton they have Lions in waiting.”
Am I just overly sensitive or is there a subtext?
Andrew McLean said “Swearing is a sign of a poor education”
What does that say about the evident sweariness of Cambridge graduate Hugo Rifkind? Anyway, swearing creatively is an artform. Just ask Malcolm Tucker.
I could also speculate that Rowling’s tears were real as she had just seen the latest Opinion Polls which made grim reading for SLAB. I doubt even her gazillions could bail that lot out.
and by the way, for those who are concerned about the best way to persuade no voters to change their minds, you might be better off spawning a few kids and indoctrinating them to be separatists. That’s what I’m doing 😛 If we can’t get them out we’ll breed them out.
Angra Mainyu says:at 4:00 pm
a treasonous pig satisfied…?
Is that what the First Lord of the Treasury, Head of Her Majesty’s Government, minister for the Civil Service, The Right Honourable David Cameron was doing with his penis in a dead pig’s mouth? Satisfying it?
Since we are talking manners,you would have thought that decorum would dictate his resignation? But we are to be shocked with the use of old anglo saxon? well it’s all FUBAR if you ask me!
Stu,
Sorry to hear about Jura. That was a f***ing bummer. (The adjective is just to keep it on topic!)
There would have been mass swearing at the end of the Scotland – Australia game, and at other times during the match too I’m sure. But nobody bothers – as long as it doesn’t get broadcast.
World Rugby CEO Brett Gosper, who is Australian, says there will be a full review into “all aspects of both match officiating and behaviour in due course” after the controversial decision made by referee Craig Joubert to offer a last-minute penalty to Australia in the World Cup quarter-final versus Scotland.
Brett Gosper talks like a former advertising executive whose attitude to mere fans falls a little short. Well, let’s face it, the IRB is a business after all, and Brett is used to dealing with very big companies and very big budgets.
Seeking global attention on worldwide TV for it’s premier tournament, the IRB is hardly going to want minnows like Scotland in the final stages of it’s competition. Bit like wanting Gillingham FC in the final of the FA Cup. It’s not going to happen – at least not if you can help it. Step forward Craig Joubert.
Iain More says:
19 October, 2015 at 4:38 pm
So Rowling was in tears after the Wuggah was she? Was it crocodile tears?
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To be fair, she has a right to regard Scotland as a ‘nation’.
Just not a real nation in the common meaning of the term.
Obviously the Scots don’t have what it takes to govern themselves better than the Tories in London. We couldn’t have that.
She has an army of sycophants to quell her conscience, but I wonder if she ever feels any guilt?
Helping to subject Scotland to another heartless Tory government, when voters here overwhelmingly rejected them.
And wasn’t she urging people to vote No to get Devo-Max ?
Yet after have the broken promises of the vow, and the EVEL plans for second class Scottish MPs, not a squeak out of her..
crisiscult says:
Funny you should say that, it’s alleged that during the time of the plague when it was necessary to increase the population a royal injunction was issued telling the common folk to ‘Fornicate Under Command of the King.’ Maybe the good Rev was issuing a proclamation of his own 🙂
Andrew McLean,
Do you think Cameron ejaculated?
Stephen.
When we win Indy in a referendum, optimistically, we will get 65% yes … realistically, it might be 55%.
We need to convert enough NOs to the YES cause. And, in the short term, we need to get voters who aren’t committed to Indy to vote SNP to ensure there is a majority.
I therefore sympathise with all the arguments about not being offensive. Nicola’s statements reinforce that.
I can be difficult, though.
There are some Scots, much discussed Andrew Neil being a prime example, who wield power and influence ruthlessly on behalf of the Union. Or, Darling and Brown who sold being better together and Cameron’s Devo pig in a poke to many voters. These people could be considered beyond contempt and civility.
It’s a numbers game we need 55% voting SNP and at least this number committed to YES in a few years. The question, I suppose, is – by offending those who will never be converted, are we putting off those who could be converted?
If the answer is even … Perhaps … then Nicola is right and we shouldn’t risk damaging the cause. Hard, though, sometimes.
@Giving Goose “the level of contempt that we are held in by the Unionist Establishment and their pet poodles of the MSM.”
Yes, I agree, but most by far of those 2,001,926 NO voters aren’t part of the Unionist Establishment, or the MSM.
@Robert Louis “With the greatest respect, that is NOT what happened, as I guess you already know.”
Indeed, but the MSM as mentioned by Giving Goose will seize on it, report it all over the place, and many of those 2,001,926 voters will take the MSM view of it.
@Johnny “If people are struggling, they are NOT going to go ‘oooooh, that Stu swore and said we didn’t think it was a nation so I’m voting No now’.
Perhaps not, but they’re not going to be encouraged to visit WOS to find the alternative view to the MSM. And that’s bad news. It’s not the swearing I care so much about, for me it’s a word in the dictionary, probably ranks with “the” and “and” as the most commonly used. It’s the context it’s used in, and the rest of the quote.
yesindyref2 4.41:
“Telling 2,001,926 people who voted NO that “You don’t think we’re a nation at all” seems to me to be a pretty fucking stupid way of going about trying to win their hearts and minds – and their YES vote in indyref2.”
… Yours is a point of view that I have raised on a number of occasions but, I think many here see Wings as a place to “vent” in front of (they assume) a home crowd – and do not expect the more extreme points of view (heedy, are you reading this?) to be reproduced and, potentially, used against them in the future. It is hard to see how No voters would be attracted to the cause when they read what some here think of them.
Prior to visiting Wings for the first time over a year ago, and whilst being reasonably worldly and interested in politics, as an Englishman, I admit that I was totally unaware that the referendum vote had “sectarian” nuances. Whilst being aware of the Celtic/Rangers issues at football, religious and tribal level, I was completely unaware that it also extended into national politics.
All those Bitter th’gither keyboard warriors have still got some way to go to beat the RAF mechanic who, having slipped with a wrench and opened up his hand, slung the offending tool to the far side of the hanger with the cry…
“That f*cking f*cker’s f*cking f*cked!”
🙂
bugsbunny says:
NOOOOOOOOOOO! I don’t need the mental picture!!!
Had no idea you tweeted under so many aliases Rev. 🙂
The ‘Union’ is just a euphemism for ‘f**ked by England’.
You insulted St. Joanne of the Bottomless Purse! If she’s driven off, who’s going to fund the next Project Fear?
Tame editors, get writing! Bad Man says Bad Word to World’s Greatest Unionist Funder and Sometime Novelist! Wings BAD! And therefore, SNP BAD!
Arseholes.
@R-Type Grunt
How are you mate? Haven’t seen you around in a while. Did you and your good lady move over the Channel? How is it if you are there? Hope you both are well.
As a long time independence supporter who rarely posts on forums and doesn’t use social media except to keep in touch with relatives (though I do read a lot of what’s written concerning independence) and especially as someone who hardly ever swears, I just wanted to say I’m with you Rev, and with anyone else on our side who is occasionally so pissed off they do tell the other lot to go take a flying leap.
Sometimes, after all the pelters we get from media, unionist politicians, and generally slime oozing opponents we can’t help but retaliate. Rowling is obnoxious and Muriel, whom I used to admire, now turns my stomach at times. Cheering on Scotland, indeed.
And while I’m here I’d also say that though I greatly admire and respect Nicola Sturgeon and do feel her way of holding herself to a higher standard is the right one to take, and it’s right for her to show leadership in reminding all the rest of us to keep to those standards, however she has shown that she has gone too far in failing to call out the abuse on the other side in detail. Apart from the one time in FMQ where she named the labour blogger, I’ve only ever heard her at the end of an interview spent condemning one of us then very briefly mention that abuse is on all sides. We need more than that from her.
As everyone here knows, in chastising any of us she creates headlines which cement and perpetuate the ‘nasty cybernat’ image. She is right in saying bad behaviour won’t win over any NO’s to our side, but with her creating headlines of ‘Sturgeon slaps down abusive supporters’ for chastising us publicly we won’t win over many NO’s either. She has to also bring up the abuse from the unionists, and detail what the abuse is, and do that each time it happens. Since she is known to try to behave to a higher standard in politics then she alone should do it, and it might carry some weight with opponents as well (doubt that actually) but at very least it would give the abuse we suffer more coverage in papers so my old granny, or the busy mum next door reads something from her more than ‘supporters of my party are vile’. Unless she is shown to lead the charge in loudly condemning their behaviour as well as ours then she is helping create those headlines which say we are the only nasty ones. And those headlines do the cause of independence no favours either.
ain Hamilton 4:54 pm
“While it will be no consolation to Scotland now, their future looks extremely bright. In Stuart Hogg, Mark Bennett, Finn Russell, the Gray brothers and Denton they have Lions in waiting.”
Am I just overly sensitive or is there a subtext?”
…. easy, you are being overly sensitive!
As I keep saying, most people in the UK do not spend their lives worrying about Scottish Independence. They just say things that believe to be true without any “side”. If, indeed, those 7 Scots were picked for the Lions then that would be a big compliment to Scottish rugby – that’s all. Get over yourself!
O/T if you don’t want to explode with anger,don’t watch non -reporting Scotland.
They are going to take a look at ‘Scotland’s glorious sporting failures’
To keep on the focus of the article, GIRFUY
Do you think they are lining up “Wings” and other independence sites by insinuating they fit Theresa Mays definition of” internet extremism”, in order to have them banned.
Wonder if that is what Nicola is hinting at ?
Despite the smokescreen that this is something to do with language, the truly worrying thing is the infantile logic that asserts that how you vote determines where your allegiances should be for a rugby international!
Next we’ll have No voters with yellow armbands.
Mabel says:
Yes you are right, a good post.
@sensibledave
Yes, I think it is a bit of a place to vent. Some post in other media, against the odds, places like the DT and DM and, these days, the Grun, which are full of “bile”, not just against Independence, or those of us supporting it, but “subsidy junkie Jocks”.
I’m lucky I gave up the Guardian while it was still reasonably OK, and posted in the Herald which, until fairly recently, you could have a good discussion in, though sadly it’s largely gone the way of the Scotsman forum.
But I can sypathise with those who have to put with a lot of bile in other forums.
manandboy,
I remember a Spitting Image programme around 1986 where Ronald Reagan is meet coming out of Airforce One by Maggie Thatcher.
He then snogs her and when she walks away, he states, “Gee, whizz, it’s a pity I’m only Screwing her CUNTry”.
Maybe the pig was nicknamed Caledonia and he got off by pretending to fuck Scotland over.
If that was the case, it probably explains everything he stands for.
Stephen.
Why give them the opportunity to sound off by swearing? Be it in writing or verbally.
Personally I think any point individuals try to make by using the f c or any other recognisable swear word automatically makes me ignore the text.
Let’s not be diverted. That what they want. Now I am not a Rowling fan but maybe some of her most recent writings involve some swearing, fornication?
I will never know as I have no intention of purchasing crap. Shit! Have I just broke my own rule?
In light of the pernicious onslaught of lies and bo**ocks spread by our media that cheated Scotland from its independence, I am surprised there isn’t MORE swearing. People are angry and rightly so. We need MORE people being angry not passive.
@Andrew McLean
every man, and woman, must do their duty in the cause of independence.
Iain More says:
19 October, 2015 at 4:38 pm
So Rowling was in tears after the Wuggah was she? Was it crocodile tears?
…….
Is this not a week old story, england went out a week ago…????
Phil Robertson,
You cheeky cunt. Now your insinuating that Nationalists want to bring back the gas chambers?
It’s your side that fucking won, (this time). What a bunch of sore winners.
P.S. Where’s our near Federalism, you BROWN nosed twat?
Stephen.
I have only just got over Hugo Rifkind telling me to fuck off this brings it all back my therapist will be counting up the extra treatment costs as we speak.
@Phil Robertson
is that a serious post (I mean is that something you think might happen if yes voters have their way)?
Sensible Dave, with respect, yours is pretty much the only voice on here that would fail to reassure me that I’m just being too sensitive.
You have not seen the media through the same lens as those of us in Scotland who have felt the full disdain of their anti-Scottish reporting.
Just a few short years ago, I would not have thought twice about the wording at the end of a newspaper piece on a rugby match.
Now, I question everything. Including my own perceptions.
How proud we must be to be (nearly) good enough (in waiting) to be (BRITISH) Lions.
Just one Fuckwit short of a sixpack in that list……Oh hang on everyone on the list is!
“I also noted that in today’s courier Nicola Sturgeon has warned independence supporters against online abuse.”
Nicola Sturgeon, or any other politician for that matter, tells me what to do or say. What does ‘warned’ mean anyway? Respect to SNP for getting us indyfet, but she’s not my mum.
@Indyref2 – re convincing 190,000+ people to vote YES – anyone who decides to vote NO because someone may have told them to ‘fuck off’ on social media is a lost cause anyway.
Is it time to give the Tories (Red & Blue ones) an effing kicking yet?
Just asking.
Iain Hamilton 5:48 pm
“Now, I question everything. Including my own perceptions. How proud we must be to be (nearly) good enough (in waiting) to be (BRITISH) Lions.”
The problem with that outlook Iain is that one can start to look plain bonkers. If the writer of that piece (as would appear) is a serious sports reporter (unaffected by the questions of Scottish Independence in his reporting) – then he, and many others, will just assume that you are a swivel-eyed loony if they read your comment.
I interpret the paragraph as nothing more than an observation that there are disproportionate amount of Scottish rugby players vying for places in the Lions (a construct made up of the Wales, Scotland and England together with the whole of Ireland). When the Lions are playing, I could care less which country they represent. Last time the Lions toured, the Welsh team provided the largest percentage of the Lions team – and it was nothing more than a statement that the Welsh team had more of the better players.
Guilty as charged!
I often post with no sweary words but when I’m angry about any slight real or imagined I’ll express that through a sweary or two.
Recently I find that I’m fucking angry most of the time.
So the bods ATL pull their pants on one leg at time just like the rest of us mere mortals.
Who knew?
‘Course the hypocrisy comes as an added extra.
Phil Robertson says:
19 October, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Despite the smokescreen that this is something to do with language, the truly worrying thing is the infantile logic that asserts that how you vote determines where your allegiances should be for a rugby international!
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I suppose the point is that Rowling comes across as bit of a hypocrite. Cheering Scotland on, after funding the campaign for London rule.
Of course she is perfectly entitled to support Scotland, and see Scotland as a nation in cultural or sporting terms only.
It just seems a little ’empty’ to many.
Personally, I would be totally embarrassed to give it the 80 minute patriot act, after campaigning against Scotland’s ability to govern itself better than the current lot.
Such faith in her fellow countrymen and women..
Such aspiration..
But Ms Rowling isn’t just a No voter – she contributed £1 MILLION to Better Together. She might as well have just handed it over to the Tories themselves. She threw her lot in with Ian Taylor, Douglas Flint, Alan Savage, C.J. Samson, and all the others who made a direct contribution to keeping Scotland in the UK – and thus, at the mercy of the Tories.
“But she gives a lot of money to charity” – so does Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. Doesn’t escape the fact they preferred Scots to stay in a Tory-governed UK than a Scots-governed Scotland. They have to take responsibility for their decisions.
Of course they are. There was a fantastic article by Stewart Lee noting that politicians are allowed to say things comedians would be censured for:
Essentially, while I am allowed to exaggerate for comic effect (if it is considered by the lawyers that the exaggeration is obvious and clearly authored by an unreliable and biased character, ie me), I am not allowed actively to lie. And it struck me as strange, as I watched the eggs rain down on Conservatives this month, that my standup comedian’s lowly standup comedy routines are held accountable to higher legal standards of truth and decency than, for example, a prime minister’s conference speech.
Cameron’s repeated smearing of Corbyn in Manchester, for supposedly saying 9/11 was not a tragedy, when he obviously did the complete opposite, is the case in point. Paradoxically, while the BBC can broadcast Cameron’s lying speech in full, without any critical analysis or disclaimers, if I had written the same comments in a standup comedy routine the lawyers would tell me it could not be transmitted.
I suppose somebody in Conservative central did the maths and decided that the long-term benefits of associating Corbyn with a dishonestly decontextualised phrase about 9/11 outweighed the risk of Cameron himself being perceived as a fundamentally deceitful and manipulative liar; and that a sympathetically biased, or cowed and fatally compromised, media were unlikely to hold the prime minister to account for his lies.
https://archive.is/R4nHn
Comedians now, bloggers next?
Oh, and regarding “yellow armbands”: anyone who compares, in jest or in seriousness, the Scottish government to the atrocities of the Nazi regime may as well go up to the survivors of that regime and spit right in their eye. Because you’re not just disrespecting the SNP, their members, or their voters: you’re belittling and trivialising those survivors’ experiences and their trauma, all for the sake of disparaging a peaceful democratic movement you disagree with.
In seeking to compare the SNP to some of the great crimes against humanity, you are treating those crimes as little more than a slur against your opponents. I find it completely and utterly sickening.
Susan @ 4.21 pm
“She pays her taxes to the London government”
Everyone pays their taxes to the London government then they divvy it up and dole it out.
@ Muscleguy,
Hiya mate. Not yet but it’s imminent. I can’t bloody wait to get out of this cesspit. Take care.
Been told I’m a moron, an imbecile, and a c**t all on one day this week alone. No one flagged it in a newspaper as ‘Unionist Thugs Harass Nice Indie Person’.
A ton of sweary words in this excellent movie – go see how the CIA achieves its objective: http://wp.me/p4fd9j-2cU
I am weell used to industrial language and it doesn’t bother me over much.
Loosing the rag however usually looses the argument.
Moral: Don’t get mad – get even! Every NO vote converted is a YES they have to convert back just to stand still and it ain’t going to happen. This may be slow but it’s irreversible one way traffic. Remember also, we have a majority of the 16+s on our side. Just how long can the Unionists hold back the groundswell?
Tick tock!
A judge is supposed to have said regarding the f-word, “Can we really consider this word an obscenity in this day and age? It is merely an adjective used by those who know no other”.
@Iain Hamilton
Considering we lost all 5 games in the 6 Nations, I doubt before this World Cup if Scotland would have supplied more than a couple of players, with all due respect to them.
Now, especially after their performance on Sunday, I’d think 5, 7, 8 or even more would be well possible. From 2013:
“The 37-strong party was unveiled live on Sky Sports News by Tour Manager Andy Irvine and Head Coach Warren Gatland.
The squad for the 10-match, three-Test series is made up of 15 Welshmen, 10 Englishmen, nine Irishmen and three Scotsmen and will be captained by Wales’ Sam Warburton”
So yes, you’re being oversensitive 🙂 It shows how much Scottish Rugby has come on.
Surprisingly(?) The EBC has supported Iain Robinson, lying journo, against the factual complaint on his self confessed lying journalism against Alex Salmond.
Who do you complaint to noo? The Polis, The UN, or the electorate and soshul meejah cybernats?
Yeah…I’m a swearer, mostly to convey my utter contempt for the pish we are assaulted with daily.
I think whether you swear or not depends a lot on yer upbringing…although it was definitely ‘not on’, both my parents were sweary gits when angry. Not in everyday use obvs.
Personally there is something deliciously satisfying about a ranting swearfest…I’d rather vent vocally than vent violently.
Has someone reported them to J K Rowling?
I don’t know who said what,nor why.Could someone please tell me what the Brits are girning about this time?
Nearly swore myself today.
Opened a daily reword at work ( not mine, I swear! ), at a piece by the learned Kez. She rambled on about young people deserving a better education, and stated that, if slab were in power after the 2016 election, she would raise income tax for salaries over £150,000 to 50%. Is she actually aware that, if she did, she would automatically be raising the lower tax bands by 10% also?
Talk about better education! here’s a woman on a very good salary, who doesn’t even know the most basic facts of Scottish politics – that westminster don’t allow us to take more from the rich without taking, pro rata, much more from the poor.
As dazzling intellectual discourse these exchanges have all the heft of Hume and Voltaire, all the wit of Boswell and Johnson, all the gravitas of Chomsky and Zizek.
I didn’t think I could be more proud of the scribes of our fourth estate, but once more they confounded my expectations.
Wow, guys. Just… wow.
@Taranaich
I never said anything about Rowling giving money to charity, that makes no difference to me.
As for giving £1 million to BT, was that illegal? Was it illegal for the Weirs to give £3 million to YES and SNP?
What about all the other contributors to the YES campaign – is there one rule for us, and a different one for NO supporters?
If people have a point of view, even if it’s different from ours, they are fully entitled to hold that point of view, and support it. It’s called “Democracy”.
OT
I just heard Ulster TV bought our by ITV, leaving STV the only standalone company out of 15 originally. Next it’ll be STV, then ITV will be bought out by Fox TV I daresay
Half OT (abou Rugby)
“Latest defeat in a long line”
“Glorious failure”
“History of defeat”
Fuck off.
I see Hugo Rifkind is bleating about his Tweets being taken out of context.
For reference, Euan McColm telling me to fuck off was in response to my suggesting that swearing at people on Twitter may not be the most effective means of winning an argument…
I’d like inject some real world stuff into this thread and point out JK Rowling looks an awful lot like Professor Smirky McSmirkinson here, with bleach blonde wig
Prof Adam Tomkins
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Super rich plagiariser Prof JK Rowling
http://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/news/archives/2015/may/headline_406966_en.html
Both quite spivy, tories, britnats hard core and exact same annoying smirk when waffling Scotland is UKOK for ever and ever.
Spooky.
Thomas William Dunlop says:
I have never won an argument where I first insult the opposition.
maybe the rev didn’t want to win an argument…maybe he just wanted to tell rowling to fuck off
cant blame him
One of the comments of twitter to Rev Stu yesterday was from that fuckwit Kenny Farqharson from the Times who brought us this gem…
http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/klanalba.jpg
The Times branding half the country as Nazis for wanting democracy in their own country.
So sensibledave why don’t you just fuck off – you have no idea what we have had to put up with in this country and never will.
Taranaich @ 6:14
Well said!
The ba5tards should count themselves lucky they have never encountered actual Nazis!
Sturgeon needs to stop being led by the media. Rowling cries like a billionaire baby to MSM every 5 minutes and the SNP fall into the trap of falling for it. Sturgeon stop commenting in this as it doesn’t do the yes side any favours either.It simply legitimises the victimless victim.
Is Hugo Rifkind related to lying Cunt Malcolm Rifkind?
Stephen
Remember just before the referendum when JK Rowling said “I’m voting ‘no’ then supporting anyone who’ll give us Devo Max.”
Aye, how’s that working out for you, JK, you labour-donating, two-faced, lying hypocrite.
Freedom of speech in action.
@Hoss Mackintosh “So sensibledave why don’t you just fuck off – you have no idea what we have had to put up with in this country and never will.”
If he just fucks off, he never will learn what we do have to put up with.
Taranaich@ 6.14
Very well said. I don’t mind name calling, but anything that that refers to Nazis, makes my blood boil, not for the names, but for the utter and disgusting disrespect for the Holocaust.
IMO,anyone that uses these taunts says a great deal about their character and lack of respect for anything.
Agree with Mabel at 5.14.
“Have you any idea how much tyrants fear the people they oppress? All of them realise that, one day, amongst their many victims, there is sure to be one who rises against them and strikes back!”
? J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Gon yersel Rev!
The interwebs is a sweary place but you have to understand that when cybernats do it we are in fact using coded satanic verse to invoke doooooom and that is why we are SNPbad (which is in fact a tantric chant to ward off evil).
@Bugsbunny,
Hugo is Rifkind’s son. Amazing what an expensive public school education gives you.
@yesindyref2
Somehow I think sensibledave does not give a shit about the propaganda we are subjected to on a daly basis.
Perhaps he should, as it will increasingly be used in the rUK to subvert democracy in the future.
@bugsbunny 7.08
Rev Stu isn’t the only one who can google!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Rifkind
Simple answer to your question – YES!
This link sent to me via team@unlockdemocracy.org
https://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1810&ea.campaign.id=43438
“Exposed: the top lobbyists influencing the Scottish government”
sign up then it goes to https://e-activist.com/ea-action/action
Address appears to be Unlock Democracy, 37 Grays’ Inn Road, London WC1X 8PQ.
Content of email below
Dear supporter,
Last week at the SNP conference we launched Holyrood Exposed, a new guide to lobbying in Scotland. We’ve teamed up with Spinwatch and ERS Scotland to put lobbyists and their tactics under the spotlight.
Inside Holyrood Exposed:
Take a walking tour of Edinburgh’s lobbying industry
Find out which lobbyists have been hiring top SNP staff
Revealed: lobbyists’ wining and dining of special advisers
Discover the big guns lined up for policy battles on alcohol pricing, plain packaging for cigarettes and fracking in Scotland
It looks like Holyrood Exposed has struck a nerve with the lobbying industry – we’ve already been labelled “London-centric conspiracy theorists” in the Scottish press. As lobbyists brace themselves for the publication of the Scottish government’s proposals for a lobbying register, we will keep making the case for lobbying transparency in Scotland. The public have a right to know who is lobbying whom, about what, and how.
Help us show that real transparency needs a robust lobbying register by sharing Holyrood Exposed on Facebook or Twitter. Scotland has the chance to create a level playing field where there is no access to politicians behind closed doors. Let’s make sure the SNP take it!
Best wishes,
Alexandra Runswick
Director, Unlock Democracy
Is Jakey Rollinginit nothing but a troll…tempting the REV and others to pay heed to her ludicrous faux grief over ‘her’ ‘nation’s ‘defeat’ and inviting the appropriate response?
The ulterior motive one of…’Look foul mouthed Cybernats hate me because I’m a disgusting plagiarist who abused Scotland’s hospitality by giving a million of my filthy lucre to a bunch of disreputable and corrupt lying Unionists!
Naw…such a fragrant and original (huh!) author with the best interests of Scotland at heart would never dream of such doing such a thing….would she?
Bugsbunny
Hugo is Arnold’s son
@ Hoss Mackintosh: “as it will increasingly be used in the rUK to subvert democracy in the future.”
Well, for an example of that, look what “they” did to Corbyn – and Brown before him back in 2010.
Hoss Mackintosh says:
“Somehow I think sensibledave does not give a shit about the propaganda we are subjected to on a daly basis.”
…. to anyone who hasn’t see the light, it still sounds/looks like real news…..
“Perhaps he should, as it will increasingly be used in the rUK to subvert democracy in the future.”
…. exactly. Even if they eventually fail in Scotland, their experience gives them a useful tool to manipulate folks down south in the future, for years to come.
Advice for everyone in these islands, watch and learn from what is happening in Scotland!
The internet is a sweary place…but it wasn’t as sweary as my living-room when that penalty was awarded, and the ref was sprinting from the field.
I daresay if JK Rowling, Muriel Gray, Mother Teresa, Father Christmas or the Messiah himself were at the other end of the room, they would have copped the full blue raging blast of it too
The moment has passed. Time they all grew up and got on with it
If I can borrow from James Durante. For journalists, their vocabulary is very limited.
But frogesque, Didn’t Hugo in one of the above statements say he WASN’T a Tory? Thats why I was asking if he was related to Malcolm Rifkind, as I had my doubts over his linage with that statement? If I googled the name like you did, I would still wonder if there was another Hugo Rifkind? Maybe I read it wrong, but I swore he said he was not a tory.
Stephen.
S.N.A.F.U.
‘Nuff said.
Was someone asking about the ref scuttling off ? He can be seen making an unprecedented ,speedy get away in the Independent.
Who are the people who voted NO anyway
Pensioners: Most of them wouldn’t know Jakey if they fell over one of her kids books
Rangers loony end: Too busy shaving their heads and polishing their “Loyal” Tatoos
American settlers to the northeast: They’ve all gone
We know who the rest are and they don’t have internet in the village, so why is anybody bothered
They laugh when Billy Connelly does it, or is that because they think he likes them, Wee clue, he doesn’t, it just makes him money he couldn’t give a monkeys
Abuse? Abuse is it? I’ll give her Abuse, How about: You donated a whole load of money to stop my country being governed by itself but your money couldn’t buy the people and that really pisses you off
Maybe you regret wasting your cash being unable to control my country,see, doesn’t matter how much money anybodys got they can’t stop you saying FUCK
@yesindyref2
Aye, the ‘glorious failure’ tag really pisses me off as well.
For a nation of 5 million people, I doubt there are few nations on a pro rata population scenario, who could boast of anything like the success of our sportsmen and women.
When you take into account the dismal sporting facilities available to our athletes (Most have to train overseas), our achievements are all the more remarkable.
We have produced world champions and Olympic champions in all manner of sports : Athletics (various disciplines), Badminton, Bowls, Boxing, Curling, Cycling, Darts, Formula One, Golf, Martial Arts, Motorcycling, Rallying, Snooker, Squash, Tennis, etc.
Peter Nicol, World Squash champion was forced to change allegiance and play for England, because we neither had the facilities or the financial backing necessary.
Our Football and Rugby teams were once respected and feared. A friend of mine, Gerard Viard, who played no.6 for the French XV, maintained that Scotland always gave France their toughest test, regardless of how good they were at the time.
In fact, it is the introduction of professionalism and big money investment that has seen the decline of our ability to compete at the highest levels of these two team sports in recent years.
So all I can say to our Britnat Broadcasting services is fuck off. How about a programme portraying the heroic achievements of our amazing sportsmen and women who have succeeded against all odds.
As for England, they are still harping on about 1966, another dodgy referee situation. Next year we will be subjected to wall to wall coverage of the 50th anniversary.
I may have to spend the year abroad.
Lochside, Quick answer, yes she would, because she’s a shite stirring bitch.
Stephen.
Rightly or wrongly I think swearwords have become part of the vernacular in UK and are used for added effect in certain discourses quite naturally.
Nicola Sturgoen has to be statesmanlike and discourage use of such language,but the internet does not belong to statesmen and for those who like to throw a few expletives in for emphasis, why shouldn’t we be allowed to speak the real vernacular to express our true feelings.
They are only words and so long as they don’t incite harm on anyone, get over it.
The rugby travesty yesterday doubtless would be the cause of a huge spike in Scots males swearing,and even the odd female crying.All very normal human reactions.
As far as I can see, most people who use profanity have a repertoire of fewer than ten swearwords. This has the effect of making their discourse sound disappointingly unimaginative and monotonous.
Well, fruck me! Have these onionist fuggers no imagination? fruckin’ aerosols! And these are are pillories of journalistic talent? No chit? As someone once said, “Gettyfuh yabassas!”
I’m gonna really vent my spleen here…
JINGS! CRIVVENS! HELP MA BOAB!
(Sincere apologies for using the “o” word.)
OT
World Rugby confirms ref’s decision wrong…
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/115761
Should’ve been Australia’s scrum, NOT penalty kick.
@asklair
On the surface ERS look like a sound outfit, established 130 years ago. But their choice of “ambassador” was alarming, Dan Snow. Here’s an example of what he’s said about Indy 2 days before the Ref, in the Mirror:
“We have realised that the greatest challenges from a foreign enemy to poverty on our streets are best overcome when we work together.
Perhaps this is all just history. But history matters because it’s where you have come from. It sets your direction. Just as all of our childhoods have set us on the path to become the adults we are.
England and Scotland together have been world beaters, apart we were the sick men of Europe.”
I guess that made him an independent, impartial “undecided” 🙂
These hallowed so called journalists farts smell just as sweet as ours. They love sitting on an imaginary pedestal from where they believe that they lord it over all they survey.
Truth is, their loftiness is all in their imagination. they ARE yesterdays news and hate Wings all the more as it shows their inadequacies for what they are.
Their egos are bigger than their talent warrants, their value to society is nil, their value to government is waning.
No wonder they are pissed off. Thankfully they are also dying off and it’s just a matter of time. One thing we have is plenty of time, Yes we do.
Independence is for life, governments are fleeting.
Final word, a wee sweary is no big deal, I could imagine doing a lot worse. With a pigs head for example, even I wouldn’t stoop that low. That’s the type that govern us though.
Fuck that!
Maybe at the next Liberal Party Conference we could get a big picture of Cyril Smith with the words, “Better Together…..with Peadophilia”. And topless boys in tight shorts handing out sweets.
See how Unionists like that. If were Fascists, then you lot, (Unionist Establishment) are a bunch of kiddie fuckers.
See how you blue/red/orange and purple tories like that? You don’t? A bit too close to the bone probably?
Unionist Scum.
Stephen.
Thepnr,
After what David Cameron did to that pig’s head, they should have gave him the “Cat”.
Stephen.
What the Fuck’s this a’aboot. Ah’m no on facebook so ah huvnae a fuckin clue what aw this @….. stuff is aboot.
Ah take it they’re a’ Torie C**nts so a jist assume that they’re gettin their knickers in a knot aboot sumthin.
Sorry aboot the C Word, a cannae bring masel tae use it. Even aboot thae Cunts
robertknight says:
19 October, 2015 at 8:01 pm
OT
World Rugby confirms ref’s decision wrong…
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/115761
Should’ve been Australia’s scrum, NOT penalty kick.
Well thanks World Rugby … for NOTHING!
It’s not like they are now going to call the Scottish and Australian teams back to Twickenham for a replay of the final 40 seconds of the game now are they! ;(
bugsbunny says:
19 October, 2015 at 8:08 pm
Maybe at the next Liberal Party Conference we could get a big picture of Cyril Smith with the words, “Better Together…..with Peadophilia”. And topless boys in tight shorts handing out sweets.
Think I’d prefer an over sized copy of the outstanding £800,000 unpaid police and security invoice they have still refused to pay Police Scotland.
@John J
🙂
bugsbunny says:
Thepnr,
After what David Cameron did to that pig’s head, they should have gave him the “Cat”.
Ahem….apparently the pig didn’t inhale
Ah.. The ‘everyone is as patriotic as everyone else’ argument. No one wants to think of themselves as being less Scottish, even those who would abolish the Scottish Parliament would be incensed if you alluded to them being less Scottish. And of course it is not very nice or constructive to tell someone they are less patriotic and indeed to tell them where to go.
Yesindyref2 is right, I am sure.
We’ve have many occasions to get right behind Scotland over the years and there is nothing quite like getting behind Scotland. Thing is – fitba, and rugby, and the commonwealth games are pretty meaningless when compared with that one day when we were all asked to either get behind Scotland or back Scotland being controlled by England (or at best a minor region of the UK)
We didnae have to have worn a badge or contributed money or time canvassing or leafletting if we didnae want to.
We didnae have to storm a barricade, or face down a tank, or take a bullet.
All we had to do was pit a wee cross on a bit of paper.
Is JK as Scottish as the Weirs after she paid £1 million quid to prevent independence whilst the Weirs pumped in millions for a Yes vote? It’s a queer kind of thought. If your answer to that question is ‘yes’ then nationality and patriotism are meaningless words.
JK did not vote against Scotland being a country – she voted, campaigned and contributed money beyond the means of almost any of us against Scotland being a nation state. Because she thought it would be shit I suppose?
Now if that makes her a patriotic Scotswoman then I am a Trident enthusiast who supports the conservative party who supports the clayhalers and believe myself to be Hungarian.
Strange times indeed. Can we reset language please – it doesn’t seem to be working?
Peace and goodwill to all especially those who pay taxes and contribute to charity. And if anyone reading this is offended please accept my apologies as my understanding of events is simply different to your own.
Stu- behave yourself!
JK- stop funding schemes to prevent Scotland becoming an independent state and keeping us under tory rule!
Taranaich @ 6.14pm
Great comment! I came back online only to tell you this (usually read offline) because you truly nailed it.
Telt, as they say.
OT
US Navy going back to sextants to foil cyber-GPS-hackers:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/14/fearing_hacking_us_navy_resumes_sextants/
OT
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10/govt-conveniently-deleted-entire-database-of-evidence-documenting-pedophile-rings.html
UK Govt. paedophile investigation conveniently deletes database of evidence.
Any film of JK singing Flower of Scotland?
@Tam Jardine
Ah Tam.
Well, in 1997 74.6% voted YES and 25.4% voted NO to Devolution (Rev will hate the decimal points). But by 2007, National Conversation time, the latest social attitudes survey showed only about 7-8% who would abolish Holyrood.
In the Year of the Ref, that figure had risen to around 10%, not normally significant but I noticed an increase with people I knew or talked to. There were also those who would have lessened Holyrood’s powers – DevoSimple I think for instance.
I’m sure that has something to do with sweet f*** all.
shouting foul words at someone is not going to change their position you have to undermine their argument and all unionist arguments are easily rubbished
rib them make a fool of them show where they are out of step with London just don’t should foul language
Just goes to show yesindyref2 you should NEVER stop learning the old ways. You never know when you may be called to use them again.
Using sextants … logarithms … Morse Code … the list goes on but being old school I never agreed in cutting training in these and other subjects. 😉
Phil Robertson
“Next we’ll have No voters with yellow armbands.”
Low man low
that’s beyond the pale
apologize
APLOGIZE RIGHT NOW!
Woosie says
“Talk about better education! here’s a woman on a very good salary, who doesn’t even know the most basic facts of Scottish politics – that westminster don’t allow us to take more from the rich without taking, pro rata, much more from the poor.”
Oh she knows all right,
she’s counting on the fact that enough people dont know.
“Is Hugo Rifkind related to lying Cunt Malcolm Rifkind?”
Ayup
son.
“Loosing the rag ”
AAARRGGHH that’s it I cant take any more
LOSE HAS ONE O NOT TWO FFS
not the worlds greatest speller but I can fucking well spell fucking losing as in
LOSING THE EFFING PLOT
AAARRRGGGHHH
Still think it’s a sign of unionist desperation that the unionist media is getting more and more hysterical.
Someone let you loose tonight jk better not to lose it. I agree lose and loose are easy even for a dyslexic to get riled at.
john king says:
19 October, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Phil Robertson
“Next we’ll have No voters with yellow armbands.”
He’s merely a britnat flamer.
What’s interesting about hammer of the Scots Rowling, is why she didn’t get made a Lady or Baroness like Lady Mone of Mayfair. lol
But seriously, Lady Mone of Mayfair is now able to vote for toryboy world misery aimed right at the worst off for all teamGBists, for the rest of her life too, although SNP Scots.gov has staved off UKOK toryboy horrors like the bed room tax, much to the usual ugly chagrin of the BBC Scotland creep show.
So if you’re out the britnat WoS SLab readers, why is it NOT Baroness JK Rowling, Hammer of the Scots?
“maybe the rev didn’t want to win an argument…maybe he just wanted to tell rowling to fuck off”
I’d would have chosen to be more discrete. Not handing ammo to the opposition, re:evil cyber nattery nonsense.
Still waiting for an honest accounting of the physical abuse and violence suffered by YES campaigners from all too real pro-union forces during the campaign…
But I guess Hell will freeze over due unicorn farts, before that happens to come from the MSM
yesindyref2
Indeed- at the only time of asking 25.4% voted against devolution, against the existance of a Scottish Parliament.
I thought it was a ridiculous idea- a halfway house between the 2 possible states for Scotland. I thought we should be independent or part of the UK- and labour were behind it so I voted against. How fucked up is that?
So Ms Rowling- if you are reading, from one sinner who made a bad call many years ago and repented, it is possible to change your mind. Next time get into the scrum with the rest of us… crouch, pause, touch (quiet at the back Paula) and engage.
Maybe that could be the next Yes slogan to get the rugby crowd on board?
My English nephew was amazed when the mass of Scottish supporters erupted in an orgy of booing at the appearance of Nicola Sturgeon on the giant screen.
If you think JK Rowling’s ghastly and wish she would stop giving campaigns like BetterTogether millions of pounds
“It is a rancid worldview determining the acceptability of your Scottish credentials by the political views you hold. It is a kind of corruption, a putrefaction of the soul deeming one group of Scots more authentic and deserving than another. As expressions of joyous, civic, nationalism go it is pretty ethnic.”
Says one more toryboy hack, Spectator? Its not Horatio Nelson of the Spectator this time but another UKOK tory wet fart we’re all supposed to obey.
My soul is well putrefied then. How to clean it though? Vote Toryboy, buy every Harry Potter book no doubt, stop wondering how on earth unionist zealots can actually sing out loud “we stood against them” without feeling ridiculous?
@Tam Jardine
That reminds me of 1978 abouts when the SNP were lukewarm about the Devo Ref. “We want Independence not Devolution.”, “It’s a bad bill, there’ll be better later on”. They decided to go for it, and in places took over from those Labour who’d either lost interest or even taken against it.
I used to argue with shop stewards right up to the day who were against it because it wasn’t very good “take what you can, when you can, and build on it”. Some success, but not a lot. It was another 18 years before the next Ref.
Yes, even in the run-up to 1997 there were Indy supporters against Devolution, including some from the SNP.
Now we’ve moved on to Devo-Max, supported supposedly by JK Rowling. Well, unlike Devolution itself, we’ll not be getting Devo-Max / FFA. But until that’s proven at Westminster via this Scotland Act, it’s still what the SNP have to go for, and are. That way they can get the Devo-maxers on-side, and that’s the 60% barrier well-breached. They learnt a lot over the years.
So telling someone they are a fucking hypocrite is worse than calling them a NAZI VIRUS? “My code of personal conduct is better than yours”. Egocentric wankers, the lot of you.
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
@ Nicola Sturgeon
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, I know. Please don’t leave your “insurgents” on the ground, so exposed to aerial assault. We’re your asymmetric(s) and don’t posses the broadcasting network to repel this sustained assault of fabricated, ‘precision’, weapons of mass deception.
No surprise in rugger buggers booing NS, a significant number are ‘pubic school educated in Embra’ types or the Tory/Libdem voting farmer/landowner/rural idyll ‘tweeds & Range Rover’ brigade from the Borders.
80 minute nationalists.
@CameronB Brodie
Don’t sweat it my friend. When the history of this war is finally written it will be shown that it was the likes of yourself. myself and our friends that won this battle.
Nicola is important, but we “ordinary” people are more so, simply because of lack of access to the Crap Media.
Only you and I and our friends can persuade those that voted No first time around, the TV and newspapers are not our friends. So what! We will win despite the obstacles.
I’m quite relaxed about where we are, the other lot are not. Wonder why they are basically shitting themselves?
Interesting that Wings only reaches the press when ‘abuse’ is involved. How many articles on here has it been without the MSM (the National aside perhaps) saying “you know what, that guy from Bath Wings over Scotland wrote an article yesterday and it jolly well made me think.”
Or “I disagree with him on Scottish Independence but by gum, thats a hell of an effort getting that many wee blue books out there”.
How many articles have there been? Thousands, right? Our brave, impartial, free heroes of the press. I suppose EVERYTHING HE HAS EVER WRITTEN HAS BEEN WRONG. I thought we were supposed to be the fundamentalists?
Shug: “shouting foul words at someone is not going to change their position you have to undermine their argument and all unionist arguments are easily rubbished”
If we could use napalm to undermine their arguments, I might be convinced.
The problem is unionists for the most parts aren’t unionists because they reasoned that the Union is the best thing for Scotland. And, so, if their views aren’t based on reason, you aren’t going to win them over with reason…
That leaves napalm and foul words.
Reginald if that’s correct that Scotland fans booed Sturgeon. Then we can say without fail the majority were part of the 55% posh no voters. The 51% who voted Snp would not have booed. So they are 80 minute pretendy Scots. Otherwise why boo the majority elected first minister of our nation.
@Thepnr “I’m quite relaxed about where we are, the other lot are not. Wonder why they are basically shitting themselves?”
I agree. I actually think they don’t really know what’s going on, know they have no control over it anyway, and don’t know what to do about it, whatever it is. Confusion in their ranks!
Reginald says:
19 October, 2015 at 9:16 pm
My English nephew was amazed when the mass of Scottish supporters erupted in an orgy of booing at the appearance of Nicola Sturgeon on the giant screen.
Well Reginald that’s still not as creepy as this,
http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/13877619.The_SNP_has_created_a_rod_for_its_back_on_the_issue_of_fracking/?ref=twtrec
” in terms of fracking that the activity will effectively be banned. In that event, Ineos would make louder noises about quitting Scotland and the economic case for independence would once again rest upon a diminishing oil supply.
At the moment Nicola Sturgeon as SNP leader looks invincible, confident and unassailable, but resolving this issue could be one of the toughest issues she faces in the next Holyrood Parliament.”
Can you feel the toryboy thrill of it all Reginald, the unionists long hoped for NOT Scots oil industry wipe out? It’ll mean hundreds of thousands of unemployed but it’s soooooo worth it just to get Sturgeon out of Holyrood and save teamGB.
Cant think why BBC style UKOK hacks like this clown, are a laughing stock Reginald.
Thepnr
Given the circumstances, the Yes support should have collapsed last year. It didn’t and has instead continued to increase. No wonder the Establishment are a tad panicked.
I’m just sorry we didn’t really have a good chat at the last get-together. Next time. 😉
So the Scottish rugby fans booed Nicola Sturgeon?
She wished the team luck from the conference floor and Leanne Wood hoped for a final between Scotland and Wales. So much good will extended to people who don’t deserve it. Perhaps the players aren’t as mean spirited as their fans.
I’ve neither seen nor heard any mention of Scots fans booing Nicola Sturgeon in a written and broadcast media I would have expected to feature the story strongly had it happened.
@EricF
I haven’t seen any reference either to Sturgeon being booed. During the match I did see her face which would have been on the big screen, there were no boos. Can’t speak for before or after, though I have it recorded if I can be bothered checking.
Fuck rugby.
I got a Scotland rugby shirt as a present.
I will never wear it.
Need to get rid of it it’s defiling this fine true Scottish dwelling.
Wouldn’t even give it to my dug for bedding.
Hate everything they stand for.
Did I mention fuck rugby?
Fuck it all to hell.
And relax.
talking about media bias – I hope you all enjoy this profile of Mayne Meediar, Mr UK Britain’s butler
https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/mayne-meediar-and-britains-dysfunctional-family-of-nations-4/
Wuffing Dug, join me on the dark side and together we will rule the universe…
Didn’t watch the rugby !! So they booed their democratically elected leader again. Sigh. Just like they did with AS @ the Ryder cup & in front of the whole planet we demonstrated our self-loathing. We will never be independent. Too many fuckin arselickers & don’t they just adore the rugby. Fuckin Twats
I watched the match, I saw the bit when Nicola appeared on the big screen and heard no boos. Craig Joubert on the other hand….I heard one or two 🙂
Who is Reginald?
I live in Australia can someone explain the context to me?
Just had a wee nudge on Twitter. I wonder if a certain Z-list author is stirring the s***e over Twitter abuse because she might have a book coming out by any chance? 🙂
Gogs
Nicola is keen that we set a good example and not be abusive on line. Stu is pointing out that while it is undoubtedly nice to be nice, there are an awful lot of sweary unionist journalists out there. The very journalists that go on about cybernats being intemperate of tongue.
@HandandShrimp
I watched the match, I saw the bit when Nicola appeared on the big screen and heard no boos
Me neither, funny that there are others who will swear blind she was bood. Hahaha. Nuf said.
Who is Reginald?
JK Rowling. aka, Robert Galbraith, aka JK Rowling again, can’t write for toffee, dipped in gold and fed to JK by her pet llamas.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-09-23/bbc1-plans-to-adapt-three-jk-rowling-novels-in-new-series
BBC really weally wuvs cheezy grot Rowling style. Ireland gave us Oscar Wilde, its his birthday today and we get a turgid pile of UKOK pants dumped on us by a BBC desperate to reward any and all britnats ready to do, say, pay anything for teamGB.
@H&S
googling “daily mail sturgeon boo rugby” returns no recent hits and I checked their articles, nothing there.Except below the line of course, mostly from parts of England but also Scotland.
It’s yet another divide and conquer tactic, and people are falling for it, just like loads of other sections of society who get labelled as “Unionist”. For some stupid reason.
If people believe that all Scottish Rugby Team supporters are “Unionists”, then they’d better count out Alex Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon, and half the regular Indy commenters on the Herald. Including me. Oh, and Rev Stu.
People falling for *fuck* like that so easily makes me despair.
The series is very different to JK Rowling’s Harry Potter world: Cormoran Strike is an injured war veteran turned private investigator working in contemporary London, with the help of his secretary Robin Venetia Ellacott.
KMN.
@Angra
Think I’m already there….
The universe, hmm that’s quite a proposition, why don’t we start with Scotland and see how it goes? ?
I watched the whole rugby broadcast of both games. Believe I saw Nicola before the match and certainly didn’t hear any general booing. THE SCOTS AND VERN COTTER WERE MAGNIFICENT AND SHOULD BE PROUD OF THEMSELVES. THEY DID GOOD AND I AM PROUD OF THEM!
Saw prof pish on EBC Scotland 2015, just as thick but a lot more subdued. Pete Wishart was very good.
Me neither, funny that there are others who will swear blind she was bood. Hahaha. Nuf said.
Quite 🙂
People should think why something is said every bit as much as what is said.
My sister phoned me early in the evening and said her son who was at Twickenham was amazed to hear the Scottish fans booing NS.
@ gogs
“Reginald’s” English nephew says the rugby fans booed when Nicola Sturgeon’s image appeared on thee big screen. Others say they didn’t hear boos.
Background is that rugby is a middle class game and they came out against independence during the referendum. So the fans may be ambivalent about their support for Scottish democracy being largely unionists with sheepskin coats and suvs .
Lesley Anne,
That wouldn’t be “How to make up shit, and spread lies for political and financial gain”, by JK Rowling by any chance?
I would urge you all to have better reading material.
Such as:
“Piss all over the Bathroom Floor”, by I.P. Squint.
“Tiger Cub under my Bedclothes”, by Claude Balls.
“Bodily Fluids on my Bedsheets”, by Mr Completely.
“The Life’s and Loves of an English Rentboy”
by Ben Dover.
“The Memoirs of a Chinese Glaswegian Taxi Driver”,
by Lou Pin.
“The Diary of an Indian Cloakroom Attendant”
by Mahatma Coat.
Stephen.
All we need now is for RT to provide us Yes-ers with ‘air-cover’ and uncomfortable parallels can be drawn with the Levant. I’ve been to Coventry, never been to Bath.
If the Unionists are appalled that a Scotsman in Bath pontificates about Scottish politics, are they comfortable about a Syrian in Coventry
spouting shitereporting unsubstantiated ‘evidence’ about Assad’s human-rights abuses in Syria? What if this man has received audiences with Her Majesty’s Foreign Office and is supported by the Corporate Media?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Observatory_for_Human_Rights
Following my earlier query I think I was right about my suspicion.
http://www.hypable.com/j-k-rowling-career-of-evil-cover/
What is it they say:
No advertising is bad advertising? 😉
Saw prof pish on EBC Scotland 2015, just as thick but a lot more subdued. Pete Wishart was very good.
Yes my Slovene UKOK girlfriend on CiF rancid The Graun’s gone suddenly mute too, nothing posted from BetterTogether Ljubljana office since, 12 Oct 2015 23:58.
Adam, lovie, its just politics, we don’t mind much how hard you called YES voters fascist, racist and delusional last year. It’s all in the past, get yourself into Holyrood and do your rule Britannia thing in front of a far bigger Scottish audience.
Keeping working on that faux Glesga accent to Adam, you sound just like Alex Ferguson now.
Thepnr,
Like you I watched the match with my hackles ready to be raised, however there was no audible booing. Perhaps a few drunken idiots in a remote section of the ground, but nothing like the vitriol spewed over Alex at the Ryder cup. Funny that. I thought that golfers were more likely to support Independence than Rugger types.
Anyway the people who would act like that are beyond reason and not worth bothering about.
As for JK Rowling, it is her privilege to support the Union if she wishes. It is democracy, and I agree with Nicola that there is nothing to be gained by stupid trolling. Mind you I ALWAYS agree with Nicola
There were a lot of UK media present at the rugby. If they had booed Nicola it would be leading the misreporting Scotland propaganda bulletins.
Reginald. 11.40
‘my son was amazed to hear the Scottish fans booing NS’
Perhaps a handful of red and blue Toryboy pseudo Scots did boo her,but that does not mean the Scottish fans in general did,so don’t infer that they did.
Were all the fans that were there supporting Scotland actually Scottish Rugby fans though!
On another note I was at the BBC fringe meeting at SNP Conference 15 and suggested rather politely, I thought, that Ewan Angus, after expressing his opinion that the BBC had made errors in News and Current Affairs policy decisions, that he might mention to those in a position to do so should open up comments BTL on BBC Scotland online in order to facilitate a conversation with Scotland and might contribute to starting to rebuild some of the trust that they had lost.
This question and idea was totally rubbered until a German? Women at the front reiterated the request.
The meeting quickly deteriorated into a walk out by half the audience.
Lots of things about that meeting were dubious but the press dutifully reported the negative aspects without any of the actual content.
Ewan professed to having no knowledge of this particular situation.
Just like Kaye professing to have no knowledge of a thing called the McCrone Report on radio.
Things went downhill for Ewan shortly after.
The BBC, through that meeting and many conversations at their stall in the exhibition area are in no doubt about how angry we feel about the media in Scotland but instead of entering into dialogue prefer to vilify, abuse and undermine democracy. Openly!
Oh Jeez Bugs.
It was bad enough trying to READ your post but hell trying to read it out loud to my partner was near impossible. 😀 😀 😀
BRILLIANT!
On the subject of abuse I’m finding it easier and easier to not bother responding to Unionist trolls. They are in such disarray that they are desperate to provoke. I’m finding that it is more provoking to be nice 🙂
@Lanarkist
The BBC, through that meeting and many conversations at their stall in the exhibition area are in no doubt about how angry we feel about the media in Scotland but instead of entering into dialogue prefer to vilify, abuse and undermine democracy. Openly!
But, but, they wouldn’t do it deliberately, would they?
@Fireproofjim
Anyone who would boo the first minister of Scotland is obviously an idiot. We need not worry about them as they will never be persuaded to the Yes side.
Here’s the simple truth and maybe some won’t like it but Independence is reliant on getting those that don’t normally vote along to the voting booth.
Hey! believe me I am not talking shite. Dundee had the biggest Yes vote but the smallest turnout. What is that about? I can guarantee you that if those that stayed at home actually voted then it would have been a massive YES.
We can argue and discuss the figures about over 55’s, foreigners, and English in Scotland to no avail.
Truth is that winning a referendum is in OUR hands, that 20% in Dundee that didn’t even bother voting are there for the taking.
NO CUNT CARES ABOUT THESE PEOPLE.
We should, it is what we are about.
Thank you Leslie Anne,
A few more titles perhaps?
“The Confessions of an Arab Pervert”, by Sheik Ma Willi.
“The History of a Chinaman with an incredibly large left Gonad”
by Wun Hung Lo.
“The Diary of a One Legged Spanish Gymnast”, by Jaun Sanshoe.
“The True Life Confessions of a Dutch/Russian Male Prostitute”, by Nickers Dooninoffski.
“I like to hang myself until I’m almost dead from asphyxia”, by Isa Poppin.
And finally:
“The Diary of a Nobody”, by Jim Murphy.
Stephen.
Rancid Graun said the BBC exec at the SNP conference said there is no political bias at the BBC. Or they are not in fact trying to overturn the democratically elected government of Scotland.
Its a pretty unique situation in the west, where a state broadcasting corp in one country is trying to evict the government of another.
I deliberately missed the start of the Scotland game because I couldn’t bring myself round to watching 50,000 NO Voters signing,
“When will we see your likes again?” (Cringe)
Including those ex-rugby players and staunch supporters of the Union, the Hastings brothers, John Beattie.
Tractors one and all.
@ HandandShrimp I so totally agree – drives them nuts.
“Yit be his feiris he wald haue fukkit” William Dunbar 1503. The first unencrypted use of the word in print.
It’s oor cultiril heritage.
Jeez Bugs that is one hell of library you have there.
That last book you listed sounds like a real stoatin’ read. 😀 😀 😀
IMHO We must hold our fire until we are sure of victory. Westminster and its agents EBC, MSM are sniping away about indiref2 trying to force a second ref. Whilst they know the demographics are to their advantage. In the next 5/15years this will evaporate and they realise they must strike while the iron is still hot. TIME IS NOT ON WESTMINSTERS SIDE NOR ON MY SIDE BUT IT IS ON SCOTLANDS SIDE. Slowly slowly catch the monkey.
What or who says if we loose anther referendum then we must wait a generation for another. Is it in law? Or just in Westminster’s twisted bowls, or did some unionist gobshite just make it up, smell a rat here. Would appreciate any info.
Thanks Reginald would never have known about that if you hadn’t told me, obviously broadcasters are still interfering with communications to the colonies.
Soar Alba.
@rev
If you have better ideas and better arguments you don’t need to swear.
If you let the w#####s make u Lose your cool, you lose the argument
Especially with the Corporate Media on their side.
Why not just accept you are better and just act that way?
Sarcasm or humour would have been much more effective
Just a wee aside here.
I read a tweet earlier tonight that stated an economist (no names) was forecasting a Brexit from E.U. closely followed by a Scotexit from the U.K.
So it appears that at least some *ahem* outsiders are waking up to the reality of what will happen in the next few years. 😉
Thepnr @ 12.10 am
I was recently following a car with a funcy number plate , was it you
D1 PNR. A reed Beemer ?
Anyway , I agree with your sentiments.
Sorry not read the full thread tonight , been watching SNP @ ABZ
Bearing in mind the previous threads / posts on who voted what % etc
What was significant for me were the range of speakers who were not ” indigenous scots” if that is an acceptable term.
To be fair assuming / judging often by accents
Plus I became aware of either pervy male camera guys or more plausible , when the camera zoomed the audience the proportion of women seamed greater than men ?
Certainly a healthy mix.
I spotted Folk like Andrew Lansley etc so the Southern Press have taken heed, still $hite reporting tho’
Sorry Rev , I’m a bit old school and I tend to agree with Cadogann Enright.
I do appreciate biting ones lip is a chore at times old boy !
That said my vocabulary and text can use expletives , probably on here too.
Ref EVIL ,
I noticed tonight Fluffy’s pompous Scottish sidekick from Milton Keynes was suggesting tonight that if English MPs were voting on a Scottish Airport Runway there would be outrage from the Scottish MPs , dropped a clanger there . Thanks to English MP’s votes on giving us Trident , there is outrage, but we are lumbered with Trident anyway !
Given some of the comments by former players just before the referendum is it really surprising that Rowling (like Princess Anne)supports the “Scottish” rugger chaps? I saw Andy Nicol outside the Edinburgh Better Together HQ rallying his troops on referendum day.
Does anybody not think it’s a bit weird the BBC says SNP senior figures have leaked this nonsense figure of 60% yet when they have Pete Wishart on the programme they don’t ask him
Are they not just covering their lying backs by saying the SNP won’t acknowledge it when we know the BBC use every opportunity they can to stick the knife in especially when they’ve got Prof Tomkins to hand
This 60% stuff all sounds a wee bit makey uppy to me
So I suggest all members email the First Minister and ask so that we can have the official denial
I will
Lesley-Anne says:
We live in hope!
That gives the more extreme BritNats a dilemma.
Almost inevitably Brexit = Scotexit
The cost of the UK leaving EU is going to be the end of the UK.
Angra Mainyu
“Wuffing Dug, join me on the dark side and together we will rule the universe…”
Kin Aa come?
ahv goat gum. 🙂
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Wuffing Dug
“The universe, hmm that’s quite a proposition, why don’t we start with Scotland and see how it goes? ?”
Jessie
Ah’ll dae it Angry Mannie
furst the universe then the….?
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“‘my son was amazed to hear the Scottish fans booing NS’”
Mind an leave yer claes in a neat pile Reggie, they charity shoaps kin yase them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J4PGiJl2dQ
Heres a time when we were oh so innocent and thought the world was our oyster.
11 minutes late, staff difficulties at Hampton Wick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-3JvUdYR9A
Dr Jim 1.41am
“This 60% stuff all sounds a wee bit makey uppy to me.”
I totally agree.
BBC Scotland’s “Scotland 2015” programme, said last night that an “SNP insider” has told them that before we have another Referendum, there must be at least %60 majority in favour of Independence and we must hold that majority for over a year.
And to back the story up, they wheeled out Mr Curtis, our other nutty Professor. He confirmed that it must be %60 or we are all wasting our time.
Who is the “SNP insider” BBC Scotland talked to?
60% of course.
Papadoxs
“What or who says if we LOOSE anther referendum”
Splutter…cough…
dont make me come over there!
@John King
I’m no angry, still only ‘lightly bonkers’ on the red mist scale.
Why shouldn’t we be angry anyway, what a fucked up country….
Thank you jester,regards, Jessie ????
I remember being at Murrayfield and booing “God Save The Queen” with the rest.Ive no doubt that the majority of rugby fans voted No,but there are thousands who voted Yes and probably thousands who swithered,but voted No on the day.Theyll get it right next time!
http://caltonjock.com/2015/10/19/scotland-bristling-with-nuclear-weapons-and-submarines-but-there-is-no-surveillance-and-reconnaissance-cover-which-is-why-a-russian-submarine-was-reported-near-to-the-entrance-to-the-clyde-th/
Thepnr 12.10am
I don’t agree that all the folk who voted No last time will do so again next time.A significant percentage of people grudgingly opted for the status quo through fear.They might be more confident next time round when we are starting with a higher level of support.Your point about non voters is extremely important.Remember Margo telling us Yessers that we only needed to convert one No to get a majority? Well,we’re now at the stage where each SNP member only needs to persuade a couple of non voters to do a postal vote for Yes,and we’re home and dry.
Last time round not nearly enough people put in enough work to win their country’s future.I did a lot….but I could have done a lot more.
Angry Mannie was a reference to Angra Mainyu. 🙂
WTF is happening to the smileys these days?
Site says ‘you are trying to post too many comments’.
Kin only say wan thing at a time, sakes.
Ipad?
When I use an Ipad to comment I dont bother with smileys it only comes up as ????’s
O/T links
Aye right!
BBC chief vows change as survey finds less than half of Scots think it is good at representing them
https://archive.is/cs4lu
http://www.scottishlegal.com/2015/10/19/british-bill-of-rights-to-be-fast-tracked-amid-fierce-opposition/
http://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2015/10/boris-says-scotland-will-lose-out-even-if-heathrow-wins-third-runway/
Opinium Poll Scottish sample suggests SNP to win all 59 Scottish seats –
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_13_10_2015_0.pdf
“Almost inevitably Brexit = Scotexit”
So all we need to do is convince everyone Dan Sath that by exiting the EU they would no longer be subsidising the EU, but at the same time they will stop subsidising Scotland as well.
Win Win for them.
@John King
Cheers John ?
Will see what’s in today’s news, might progress from ‘slightly perturbed’ to ‘beeling’.
Caz-m and Dr Jim.
The BBC don’t ask anything of the SNP if they know the answer won’t fit their agenda.
In these circumstances they go to SNP “observers” like Mr D Torrance or Mr A Massie or just skip it and go directly to UKOK SLAB Toryboy commentators or hacks in rumour generation business like the Telegraph or Mail.
They will have to protect their “sources” so we will never know.
Nana Smith says:
20 October, 2015 at 8:03 am
O/T links
Aye right!
BBC chief vows change as survey finds less than half of Scots think it is good at representing them
OOH another unionist chancer’s Vow! When change does come, how will we know. BBC Scotland hatchetmen come a knocking…
James Cook ?@BBCJamesCook 2 hrs2 hours ago
The story of @NicolaSturgeon slapping down @WingsScotland over @jk_rowling http://bit.ly/1GQjNVJ by @alexmassie
Complete and utter BBC lies as per but they do know the dif between “BBC Scotland fact” and actual real “fact facts”
James Cook ?@BBCJamesCook Oct 16
No they’re not. They’re chiels that winna ding. http://bit.ly/1jt8sX0
And its only half eight. How many more Vows will be farted out BBC style by 9am.
Wuffing Dug
Re. smileys. Are you using a Mac? That’s what you get for being different. 😉
Once the tax credit letters go out at xmas and other lovely Tory ideas really hurt by 2020, we’ll have our majority.
Its sad but true and doesnt bring me joy at other poeple’s suffering.
Gerry Parker 8.12am
“So all we need to do is convince everyone Dan Sath that by exiting the EU they would no longer be subsidising the EU, but at the same time they will stop subsidising Scotland as well.”
Have you been reading my secret plan Gerry?
Keep it under your bunnet.
Aye Caz, and remember.
“you can fool some of the people all of the time and these are the ones we have to target.”
🙂
The 60 percent guff is the BBC trolling Scots.
Why would anyone with even the remotest knowledge of their consistent and scabrous record of lying – documented on here and elsewhere – place any faith in what any of their shills say?
The BBC’s epitaph (nicked from Ambrose Bierce): ‘Here lies the BBC. As usual.’
At one time it was considered good manners not to swear. Still is in fact.
But they’ll always be folks to thick, too rude, to know any better.
There is no end to the queue of second-rate churnalists and nonentities ready and willing to tell Scotland it isn’t England.
It is almost impossible to detect one iota of humility in all of their uninformed, pig-ignorant commentary.
Why would any thinking person vote for more of them unless they had no faith in their own nation?
The EU referendum is looking like being a bit of a damp squab up here – a bit like watching a fitba game hoping for a draw.
I know there is this happy intersection where England votes us out but Scotland votes to stay in which would be marvellous but it kind of leaves us with nothing to really get our teeth stuck into. Like Scotland needing results in other games to ‘go our way’.
Is the EU ref the opportunity we in the Yes movement (and the SNP/Greens/SNP) need to get the message across that Scotland has plenty going for it and can be a successful independent state.
The Karen Brady/Lord Rose group is going to be banging on with Project Fear Mark IV or V or whatever telling everyone down south they are facing a catastrophe leaving Europe. We should ignore the arguements down south and play it differently- reinforcing Scotland’s strength as an economy, and ramming home the message that a country with a small population, large landmass and vast resources can be successful. In or out of Europe.
In is preferable for me- the worst of all possible worlds for a country with a small population, relatively large landmass and vast resources is surely to be cast adrift from Europe bound together with a country of high population, relatively small landmass with few resources.
What I’m saying is that this is an opportunity to subvert the arguement and I expect that is exactly what the SNP are intending on doing- to use it to convince the population that we are not shite and dependent.
I don’t believe this 60%. Just another made up story.
The objective this time is to drive a wedge between people who support the SNP as a political party and those backing the SNP as tool to achieve Indy.
The intention is make that latter group doubt that the SNP has Indy as its priority.
Divide and rule. The MT smearing was to split the left from the centre. This latest is to split fundamentalist Indy folks from those involved in wider politics.
IMO the future will play out as small YES lead plus a big trigger event leading to the necessity of indyref2.
Topic: Walking On Eggshells In Harry Potter Land
I find it’s best to avoid these highly sensitive neurotic self obsessed attention seeking tar babies with zero sense of humour.
galamcennalath at 9.16
With you entirely on that. No source has been provided which is usually very informative.
Topic: I Want Alex Salmond Back & Fuck Off Is A Term Of Endearment In Scotland
I’m not happy with nicey, nicey, nicey Nicola and her be nicey nicey cyberniceynats!
For Fuck Sake Nicola fuck off is a term of endearment in Scotland.
@Tam Jardine
One way to play the EU referendum campaign would be to have a broad front Scotland in Europe approach. If, on the morning after the voting BritExit is declared, the Scotland in Europe campaign keeps going at full steam ahead towards IndyRef2.
Almost seamlessly tie the two referendums and campaigns into one.
O/T link I missed earlier.
Mind your back Lord A…
http://www.lordashcroft.com/channel5belize_19102015.html
and another
http://tommyballgovan.blogspot.ie/2015/10/on-steelmens-job-losses.html
Posted another 6 links at around 8.30am, will check back later to see if they appear. If not will repost another time.
Off topic… but i am one of those idiots that get sucked into the Scotsman’s pool of troll bait. I know i shouldn’t give them the clicks, but it’s hard for an addict to quit.
The point is that their website is really beginning to groan and stutter, huge loading lags, too many popups, not optimized for mobile, load failures. I think we are beginning to see the waves lapping at Canute’s feet. I really, really hope so. But even if they continue, their online presence is self combusting.
PS i promise that i have never clicked any adds.
caz-m says:
20 October, 2015 at 5:43 am
Dr Jim 1.41am
“This 60% stuff all sounds a wee bit makey uppy to me.”
And to back the story up, they wheeled out Mr Curtis, our other nutty Professor. He confirmed that it must be %60 or we are all wasting our time.
Who is the “SNP insider” BBC Scotland talked to?
Surely they should have a consensus on that from 60% of SNP insiders ?
The EU referendum is a foregone conclusion. Britain only joined Europe so that they could screw it up and they aren’t going to pull out now.
A trigger that will never get pulled might as well not even be there.
Looking at our current trajectory, we’ve got a minimum of 10 years of sitting on the sidelines moaning like this. 10 years a slave. And it’s a highly risky strategy because as much as you or I might be willing to sit here, you can’t count on the rest of the movement doing so.
But never mind, we might have an historic third term to celebrate.
The ‘motherfuckers’ mouthed in this superb work are legion: http://wp.me/p4fd9j-2cU
galamcennalath
Aye- the media don’t like Nicola’s list of triggers as they are all eminently possible/probable. People in Scotland, regardless of views on independence will recognise that there are situations where ending the union would be a reasonable course of action (or at least worth consideration).
We know not what the conservatives will throw our way in the coming years but if they continue destroying the welfare state with no mandate in Scotland, all but those who think Holyrood should be abolished would surely accept that it will come a point when another referendum is reasonable.
This 60% pish is like the once in a generation “promise”… when Osborne decides to slash welfare against our wishes, tear up the treaty on human rights against our wishes, renew trident against our wishes and remove us from the EU against our wishes the BBC will be able to point to a poll from six months ago that said only 59% yes.
“But you promised”. The BBC is such a big fan of democracy it has been trying to truss up future circumstances for a referendum for over a year now. God knows why when they keep telling us they did such a good job covering the last one!
So we are to have a referendum triggered by Yougov and ICM instead. Democracy UK style.
OT- if you want to see some unionist trolling in its true form take a wee look through the sewer grate at the Scotsman piece on the IRB statement ie we wuz robbed.
An awful lot of people on that website showing their true feelings towards Scotland. Mindblowing stuff.
galamcennalath 9:22 am
Exactly.
Hmmm… Is this sweary thing about JK still trundling on? Methinks she doth protest too much… for a billionaire, with more money than she could ever hope to spend.
It is remarkable though, that not one of these self righteous clowns in the so-called ‘Scottish’ media has clued up to the fact that every time they do this media witch hunt rubbish against wings, it actually boosts readership.
Who needs advertising when you have second rate ‘journalists’ to publicise your site for you.
Topic: 60% Story & Off The Scale Readings On My ICD
Beware of the black art of media manipulation. The 60% story will be one to watch. I suspect in no time this will have gone from fiction to absolute fact.
Stuart, I think you may be more popular than John Lennon now.
I am really not trying to be combative here, but I do not think that the average voter in England, when voting in the EU referendum, will spend much time worrying about the implications of potential calls for an indyref2 in Scotland.
I know it sounds harsh, but many here believe that we in England spend our time working out new ways to suppress Scotland – we don’t. If there is a “Leave” vote in the EU referendum and that happened to spark another referendum in Scotland then, I dont think many would lose much sleep.
Assuming a situation did come to pass where the there was a majority “leave” vote everywhere except Scotland then I think indyref2 would become far more complicated. In order for non Scottish part of the UK to control its borders, wouldn’t there need to be border control between Scotland and England for instance (assuming Scotland was able to get EU membership)?
Nana Smith at 0803 am
Aye, interesting, Ken McQuarrie (BBC) says they are going to listen to why people in Scotland are dissatisfied with the BBC.
Then with barely a hint of irony, tells the committee, that they do not accept the BBC provided biased coverage during the referendum.
Aye, that’s what the BBC call ‘listening’. FFS!
POP quiz: is the BBC still in the anti Scottish independence CBI, as it was throughout the referendum?? Here’s a clue, the answer isn’t NO.
Iain Hamilton says:
19 October, 2015 at 4:54 pm
I think this is appropriate bearing in mind the origin of the twitter spat. Please accept my apologies if it is deemed off topic.
The Grauniad has been generous enough to suggest that some of our team are almost good enough to be British (or at least that’s how I interpreted it). The final paragraph of their story ends with:
“While it will be no consolation to Scotland now, their future looks extremely bright. In Stuart Hogg, Mark Bennett, Finn Russell, the Gray brothers and Denton they have Lions in waiting.”
Am I just overly sensitive or is there a subtext?
I don’t think you are being overly sensitive. To me the suggestion is that to play for a “Brirish” team is superior to playing for a Scottish one.
This insidious attitude, inherent since the union, is what gives many Scots the impression that they “aren’t good enough” leading to the belief we are, indeed, too wee, too poor, too stupid.
The fact that the people who write this stuff may not even realise that they are doing it is even more telling. They have been brought up to believe that Britain is superior and, in many cases, they are not able to differentiale between “Britain”, the union and “England”, only part of that union. They’ll often say “England” and, when corrected, will reply “Well you know what I mean”. They don’t even realise they are being offensive,
Haha Sensible dave at 0955,
“I am not really trying to be combative here..”
LOL.
The digital exclusion map.
https://archive.is/Nz299
One thing is certain, this concerted attack on Wings Over Scotland from the UK media will definitely reduce the page views and the chances of anyone discovering one of the best, most honest and factually correct Scottish political web sites in the UK, that exposes the daily lies of the UK media.
But I could be wrong.
Dippy Dave: I’m not trying to be combative …wouldn’t there need to be border control between Scotland and England for instance
If there was a need it means more jobs and all governments are keen to create jobs. Now, in the spirit of the topic, f**k off!
Topic:sensibledave Is Here Again Telling Us What People In England Think
sensibledave seems to think it is important for you all to know what people in England think
I asked sensibledave what he is trying to achieve by posting on Wings and he failed to answer.
Now I am asking him if the entire population of England don’t give a toss if Scotland remains in the Union then why are their political leaders fighting with every fibre of their being to keep Scotland in the Union.
Re The Scotsman: That forum is riddled with ‘sensibledaves’ who also seem to think it’s important that we should know what people in England think
Weechid 9.57
“I don’t think you are being overly sensitive. To me the suggestion is that to play for a “Brirish” (sic) team is superior to playing for a Scottish one.”
You are such a fool! You are so screwed up by the whole “Scottish Independence” thing that you have lost the ability to be rational about anything. When an Irish rugby player, that was born in Ireland, resident in Ireland and plays for Ireland gets the call to join the Lions – do you think he spends one second worrying about politics – or that it is, somehow, a slight against his country?
I can’t believe I am having to write this but to be chosen to play for a team where selection is taken from the whole of Britain and Ireland represents a “step-up” in standard and is confirmation that not only is a player good enough to represent Scotland – he is also better than all the other players in the rest of the UK and Ireland in that position.
For you to suggest it is some sort of insult is just pathetic – and you sir, have proven that you know jack s**t about sport – and rugby in particular.
O/T links
http://www.drewhendrymp.scot/heathrow-blunder-shows-incoherence-of-tories-plans-for-evel/
https://www.byline.com/column/27/article/488
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151015/1028580059/ttip-talks-brussels-lobbyists.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline
http://hackinginquiry.org/mediareleases/response-to-john-whittingdales-speech-to-society-of-editors-from-hacked-off/
Grouse Beater 2015 at 10:08 am
“If there was a need it means more jobs and all governments are keen to create jobs. Now, in the spirit of the topic, f**k off!”
Ah, Good Morning Grousey!
If you read and understand my comment, I wasn’t commenting on the rights or wrongs of a stay or leave vote – I was merely wondering whether the requirement to have border controls would help, or hinder, the movement towards Scottish Independence.
You clearly have a view – but I am not clear what it is? You appear to be suggesting that because it would create more jobs in border controls then more people in Scotland would think Independence was a good thing. Is that your point?
Call me Dave…Shows you what the Guardian and other assorted Brit clowns think of the Country of Scotland when they view it as a region like East Anglia in England.
It didnt have to be like this, the longer we stay the more abused we will become.
It is always best to go on what you know rather than what you think you know.
So what do we know ?.
1.The referendum was closer than most imagined.
2.The Tories are going to be back in power in 2020 as there is no other credible opposition,and I include UKIP.
3. Snp support remains strong.
The Scottish people will not be able to face Tory rule till at least 2025.
The cards are falling on our side,but we have to know when to raise the stakes.
THIS IS ABOUT SPORT
Weechid, Iain Hamilton:
Can we please put the Rugby World Cup to bed, we are OOT; yes, in the end, we got a raw deal, but, knowing Joubert “had a ‘mare” will not get us back in. Time to move on.
As regards Scottish representation in the 2017 Lions to New Zealand, there are at least 18 months to go before the final squad is announced; before then, the coaching/management team has to be selected and put in place – that team will by and large determine how many Scots go.
Last time out, in 2013, Gatland went with as many of his Welsh squad as he could get away with, while his forwards coach, Graham Rowntree of England managed to get eight English forwards onto the tour.
Ryan Grant, the outstanding loose-head prop in the 2013 Six Nations only got in as an injury replacement, and because, it was a case at that time of there being nobody else who could be summoned.
In spite of some terrific performances – he never got a sniff of a test place.
So, there is absolutely no guarantee that the Scots named this week will hold their form, or still be in the Scotland squad, when the Lions squad is picked in 18 months’ time.
Also, if we get another coach or coaches from another nation, they may well, like Gatland and Rowntree, favour their own players, whom they work with all the time.
At the start of every Lions tour, the press will pick a probable Test XV – this team never takes the field, because form on tour and injuries always intervene.
Yes, if a Lions XV was being picked, say to play the eventual World Champions in a one-off charity game, we would see a few Scots in it, but, I am not so sure we will have more than a handful on the flight to New Zealand in 2017.
Ruby 10:13 am
“I asked sensibledave what he is trying to achieve by posting on Wings and he failed to answer.”
Actually Ruby, I have answered the question a number of times but I occasionally comment in Wings for the same reason as you I guess. You are interested in politics and change and want to communicate with others that are also interested. However, unlike you it seems, I am happy to discuss and debate with people that have a different point of view to me on various subjects.
Happy?
sensibledave at 9.55
(assuming Scotland was able to get EU membership)?
Laying aside the facts that (1) here is no mechanism to remove a member from the EU and Scotland is already a member and (2) the status of Scotland and RUK will arguably be legally exactly the same on a dissolution of the union the notion that the expansionist EU would want to put out the country with most of Europe’s oil,most of Europe’s fishing grounds and a strategic control of the North Atlantic is absurd.
This is one of the arguments aimed at half-wits. There are not many of those on Wings
In order for non Scottish part of the UK to control its borders, wouldn’t there need to be border control between Scotland and England for instance (assuming Scotland was able to get EU membership)?
Britnats threatened borders last year sensible, armed guards etc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28053031
Hopefully no one in SLab are still wondering why their right to reign over their Scotland region is over once and for all. Not even the frauds at BBC Scotland can save them now sensible. But its scorched earth time now at Pacific Quay, from hell’s heart they strike back, at politics blogger in Bath.
What ever next from the creeps sensibledave, although it looks like that should be sensitivedave, sensibledave?
James Cook proclaims, ‘the story of Nicola Sturgeon slapping down WOS over JKR’.
Wings nor JKR were ever mentioned by NS.
Endless streams of pish and excrement directed at the YES side from the Unionists and not a cheep from the MSN.
Stay distant from that one STU, she is a bone looking for a dog to play with so she can go bleating to the media about how upset she is that she can’t troll in peace.
Sensible Dave,
There is no border control between Eire and N. Ireland.
Dippy Dave: I was merely wondering …
How to resurrect an insult tossed at Scotland a million times during the referendum.
Border checks for big rigs already exist. See motorway weigh stations.
Go play with trucks and stop using every ‘fuck off’ as an excuse to embed like a limpit.
Funny how BritNats call the team the British Lions when it’s the British and Irish Lions. A dead give-away to their BritNat prejudice. You can almost hear them sighing: “Ahh, if only we still had our empire. Iknow, let’s pretend we still do!”
Talking about BBC bias, they also think they have a sense of humour too
BBC Alba tonight will show Rangers v Livingston in the Challenge cup, now I’m not a big Footy fan so I don’t really care, But if you’re a fan of either team the chances are you live around the Central Belt and don’t speak Gaelic
and the Gaelic speaking population who’s channel this is on probably don’t number enough to care whether they see Rangers or Livingston so it’s probably interfering in their regular programming
When you consider something like Reading v Who cares, in the Bingo Cup from England it’s invariably on the main BBC 1 channel and NONE of the occupants from Scotland live there so we get it whether we like it or not
Point is we pay for it in our licenses (some of us) so is this just bad programming from our beloved BBC or is it “There’s yer Footy Scotland stick it up yer Arses and we hope most of you won’t enjoy it” for all the previous reasons I’ve just given
What do you think that man Warburton thinks of the job he took on where the BBC hate his club, Celtic supporters hate his club, Independence supporters hate his club, and here’s the worst part they can’t get rid of the Vile Thug Loonys who make everybody hate his club so the ordinary Footy supporters hate their own club for ending up being shown on BBC Alba in the middle of the week so that they can’t understand a word of what’s being said
Then there’s Livingston,does anybody care what they think
Apparently not
Maybe I was wrong and the BBCs got talent
Sensibledave. 9.55
‘many here believe that we in England spend our time working out new ways to suppress Scotland’
It’s the political elite and establishment including Scots unionists whom we know work to suppress Scotland.
Do not conflate the English people with the UK political stablishment (or people who post on here with the SNP) lest you be accused of trolling Dave.
sensibledave says:
“wouldn’t there need to be border control between Scotland and England for instance (assuming Scotland was able to get EU membership)?”
I’m sure the situation would be Scotland would be in the EU and rUK would be seceding. This would cause rUK problems because they would wish to be the succeeding entity. If we had won IndyRef1, rUK would have wanted us to secede. As a result of BritExit it would more likely be a dissolution of the Union.
The border between Norway and Sweden and those surrounding Switzerland are EU borders, so there is no necessity I can see for an EU border at England to be a problem.
However, Scotland as part of the EU and rUK outside probably does necessitate a different solution from currency union. I’m not sure whether we could let rUK continue to use the pound! 🙂
Jakey Rowling:
Coulnae sell a book under the name Robert Galbraith so lets get some media attention using this spurious abuse shit so she can sell the book she couldnae sell before
Usually when they run out of ideas they get a high profile disease that threatened their life as well, it all sells
Sorry Ruby still cannae dae these Bold things, I’m ashamed
andrew neil
Cybernats to JK Rowling, Muriel Gray, Gavin Hastings: F*** Off supporting Scottish rugby if you don’t support iScot
9:46am – 20 Oct 15
Gavin Hastings -The Scotsman 2013
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby/latest/gavin-hastings-small-minds-do-scotland-no-favours-1-3120622#axzz3p6E2Prwj
“I keep being told that Scotland’s a small nation – so what? There isn’t a Commonwealth Games for small nations, there isn’t an Olympic Games for small nations. Just get on with it,” said Hastings.
I am totally against independence and I’ve already been quoted on that. No, I think that would be the worst possible thing for us. But you understand where I’m coming from, because it’s all about exposure to the bigger picture, and Scotland is not the bigger picture. It never will be. We will not be able to do it.
bfh–Im sure gav can handle being told to fcuk-off
Dan Huil 10:42 am
You wrote “Funny how BritNats call the team the British Lions when it’s the British and Irish Lions. A dead give-away to their BritNat prejudice. You can almost hear them sighing: “Ahh, if only we still had our empire. Iknow, let’s pretend we still do!”
Your prejudice is showing Dan. Re-read my comments above. Did I refer to the “British” lions once? No!
I suppose all of the Scottish golfers that have played for Europe in the Ryder Cup feel they have been insulted too?
You are another fool that is unable to have a view on anything – without it having something to do with Scottish Independence.
@Training Day (9.02) and @galamcennalath(9.16) – you hit the target.
I wondered what was going to follow the mudslinging at MT. I guess this is it.
dave
I do not think that the average voter in England, when voting in the EU referendum, will spend much time worrying about the implications of potential calls for an indyref2 in Scotland.
actually, we are in the process of trying to convince another 5-10% of scots to support indy, what the ruk thinks is irrelevant. they wont be voting. Scotland is only world famous in Scotland, I have no reason to think the English think about Scotland at all. nor could I care.
re border controls, there doesn’t need to be any but I assume that once Scotland leaves, the swivel eyed little Englanders will demand that there are controls, at least on their side which is their prerogative I suppose, then again, after yes2 why would scots care any more about what happens in London than they do Dublin or Paris?? Could you name the 2nd in charge/deputy president/chancellor in each these 2 states? and why should you? same sort of thing will happen in Scotland after yes2
@Dave McEwan Hill
at 10:35
Very well said.
So sensibledave you come on here to communicate… Realy? And here is me thinking that you only do it to massage your overinflated sense of self importance. You know the one you were born with due to geography.
Why are you here posting on Wings?
@Lesley Ann
“read a tweet earlier tonight that stated an economist (no names) was forecasting a Brexit from E.U. closely followed by a Scotexit from the U.K.”
it would be ironic if some of the rabid anti Scottish contingent down south voted to leave Europe just to get rid of the sponging jocks.
Topic: The doctor is in trouble. Well, goodness gracious me!
‘From New Delhi to Darjeeling
I have done my share of teaching
And I’ve never yet been beaten or outboxed’
Before the end of this week you will be bolding.
That is a promise Dr Jim.
I’ll be back later to do an evening class on bolding.
Boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom I’m off to do some work.
Bye!
PS
Socrates MacSporran says:
20 October, 2015 at 10:30 am
THIS IS ABOUT SPORT
Ruby replies:
What a star! What a good boy!
I fuckin’ love Socrates MacSporran!
@sensibledave.
How absurd is your posting ?
Everything has to do with independance. The Unionists involved every field of human endeavour in the argument.
Sportsmen and women. Business.Health. Membership of EU,
Oil,fishing,thd use of currency.
The list is endless, but you come on site trying to berate people from including certain aspects in the independance debate
You are not impartial Dave boy,and you are certainly not averse to including any topic which fits your own argument.
If you were slightly less self righteous you may find people who would debate rather than debunk your puerile congributions.
galamcennalath 10:48 am
However, Scotland as part of the EU and rUK outside probably does necessitate a different solution from currency union. I’m not sure whether we could let rUK continue to use the pound! 🙂
Haha! At least you have thought things through galamcennalath.
If non-Scotland was to vote to leave the EU, then Scotland had another referendum then, I think, the subject of border controls would be an issue. I assume a “leave” vote would have had something to do with immigration levels and free movement in Europe – so it follows that a border with Scotland would be needed to control those issues.
Whether that is a deal breaker is an issue for some Scots is the issue. Without any evidence to back this up, I would have thought that it might be a bridge too far for many of the potential ditherers?
@Sensibledave.
Hadrians wall, English style
Xenophobia is alive and kicking in good old England after all
You reek of UKIP
Cardigan Enright @12.42
I agree with that sentiment. Retorts dripping in sarcasm and reasonableness, are the most effective, and funny.
I save most of my colourful language for face to face, when you know the audience, and its used for emphasis. There’s nothing wrong with swearing, I just think on-line, the take down is more effective using fact, or a question.
During the referendum, one of the most effective tools to really get the point over was a meme, both funny and factual, and the Indy side had them in spades.
Aw Cmon guys n gals please stop wie the conversing wie not so sensible dickheid, ah wuld tell him tae fuck off ,but its a waste of time & he,s wasting your time.
The reality is that unionists will take umbrage and offence at the least thing.
Any independence supporter using bad language or dishing out abuse of any kind gives the unionist parties and their supporting media the ammunition to attack us.
We saw this during the indy the referendum campaign where the media highlighted perceived abuse from indy supporters while ignoring the abuse dished out by unionists.
And when they did expose any unionist abuse they tried to pass it off as isolated incidents and only banter.
Whether that is a deal breaker is an issue for some Scots is the issue. Without any evidence to back this up, I would have thought that it might be a bridge too far for many of the potential ditherers?
Its not that much sensible. Anecdotal time sensible, NO won because some people in Scotland did not want to stop being British/UK and some quite wealthy people I know didn’t want to pay any more tax, changes in how they make their money etc.
All anecdote sensible.
Anyone who tells me my nation is not good enough to be independent can feck off!
O/T links
http://www.drewhendrymp.scot/heathrow-blunder-shows-incoherence-of-tories-plans-for-evel/
https://www.byline.com/column/27/article/488
http://hackinginquiry.org/mediareleases/response-to-john-whittingdales-speech-to-society-of-editors-from-hacked-off/
PS Trolls getting far too much attention on here. Distraction tactics are what they are about. Don’t give them satisfaction.
Can someone please explain the new SNP website?
When I go to sign in using my SNP password, I am redirected to a new “nationbuilding” website, which then asks me to sign in using email address + password (a DIFFERENT password, seems you have to sign up for it)…
Yet this also seems to be something which anyone can join….??? So how do you log in to get access to all your previous membership information, etc?
Go this route?
Oops, scrub above post… it has redirected me to the proper site (not sure how, I took my eye of it to write the above post).
So I’ll ask another question…. I know all MINISTERS in Scotland are members of the SNP…. But what about junior ministers? Civil servant honchos? I am dealing with an official who heads a department and he seems to be sabotaging more than helping Nicola…. any details or thoughts?
ronnie anderson says:
20 October, 2015 at 11:22 am
Aw Cmon guys n gals please stop wie the conversing wie not so sensible dickheid
Sensibledave tunes in from the south east of England and is a very fine example of a toryboy annoyed at losing half his country. All the usual rule Britnat waffle from him but to be fair, Edinburgh is almost as far from sensibledave as Prague or Berlin. So his deep incomprehension of Scotland and Scottish democracy is hardly a surprise.
Sensibledave, one thing that’s very odd about toryboy world in your Scotland region, is that there are so few tories up here, compared to England that is.
So sensible, wouldn’t it make more sense in toryboy world to make more toryboys up here in Scotland? Instead of impoverishing so many Scots, you could take the other higher road and give us back some of the oil money you syphoned away and so on.
More tories in Scotland would seal this farce union for ever and ever sensibledave. And you could still keep the BBC Scotland creep show too, to continue reminding us all how safe and secure we are in teamGB.
I still don’t see the need to swear in a post or during an arguement. I believe it gives away too much information i.e. that they have got under your skin.
Ignore the Trolls and die hard unionists and concentrate on a friend, a family member or a work colleague who is concerned and needs reassurance and information. Don’t shout loudly at the hard NO’s – speak gently with conviction to the DON’T KNOWS and the soft NO’s.
schrodingers cat 11:00 am
“actually, we are in the process of trying to convince another 5-10% of scots to support indy, what the ruk thinks is irrelevant. they wont be voting. Scotland is only world famous in Scotland, I have no reason to think the English think about Scotland at all. nor could I care.”
I Agree! My point was simply whether you thought the prospect of Border Controls might influence how people might vote in indyref2.
THIS IS ABOUT SPORT
Dan Hull
I referred to the “Lions” as the “British Lions”, because that is the name by which I have always referred to them. I am well aware of the huge benefits what is more properly: “The British Isles Rugby Touring Team” in its many guises, has received from the contribution of the likes of Jackie Kyle, Tony O’Reilly, Ronnie Dawson, Gordon and Keith Wood, Tom Kiernan, the Greatest Living Lion, one Willie John McBride, Michael Gibson, Brian O’Driscoll, Paul O’Connell and many others over the years.
I used “British Lions”, because that’s the name I grew-up using, NOT beacuse I am a Britnat.
I would not care if they toured as MR Steele-Bodger’s XXX, or The Barbarians, I support them because, the Lions comprises the best from these British Isles and, if one or two Paddy “Alickadoos” felt they needed the words “and Irish” added to the title by which the team had been known for years, and one or two English/Scottish/Welsh “Alickadoos” felt the change was a good idea, well, I can live with it. But, I still think of them by the old, time-honoured name.
So, I suppose I am one old fart who never got onto the RFU committee.
@Big Jock asserts: “The 51% who voted Snp would not have booed…why boo the majority elected first minister of our nation.”
Fact 1: On 7 May 2015 fewer than 50% of those who voted in Scotland voted for the SNP’s MP candidates.
Fact 2: On 7 May 2015 more than 50% of those who voted in Scotland voted for non-SNP MP candidates.
Fact 3: On 5 May 2011 78% of the electorate in Scotland didn’t vote for the SNP’s MSP candidates.
Fact 4: (a) Nicola Sturgeon was not democratically elected as leader of the SNP – (b) Nicola Sturgeon was crowned leader of the SNP in a coronation.
Fact 5: (a) Nicola Sturgeon was nominated as First Minister only because she was crowned leader of the SNP in a coronation – (b) only SNP MSPs and one former SNP MSP voted for Nicola Sturgeon’s nomination as First Minister.
@Weechid.
Thank you. I’ve been struggling with how to word my unease with the end of that article. I, at no time, thought that the sports writer was deliberately spinning a line. It was more that he is as programmed as everyone else to say “British better”. It was the assumption that the Lions’ shirt was better than the Scotland one.
I have no idea how the average (or way above average) player feels about Lions v Scotland jersey, but the assumption seemed to be British is better. As in ” at the moment they’re good enough to play for Scotland but with a bit of work…”
I’m very aware of how we can appear to be reaching for our tin-foil hats whenever something like this pops up, but the constant drip feed of put downs and rubbishing of our nation does start to frustrate.
I explained the media bias situation to a good friend in Worcestershire last year pre-referendum and he looked at me and said “you are paranoid”.
“It does sound that way” I conceded, “but I’ve just condensed 3 years into 7 minutes”.
So to recap: Sports journalist as victim of propaganda, just as much as we are.
Anyway, who’s to say the last few sentences weren’t added by the editor?
@weechid
In Rugby the highest accolade for a player is to be selected for the British & Irish Lions, because it means you’re the best of the 4 nations – Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland (north and south). It’s just as simple as that.
What the Lions do is play teams in the southern hemisphere, the All Blacks, Australia, New Zealand. The tour is every 4 years. next time is in 2017.
In 2013 the Tour Manager was Andy Irvine (Scotland) and Head Coach Warren Gatland (Wales).
The squad for the 10-match, three-Test series was made up of 15 Welshmen, 10 Englishmen, 9 Irishmen and 3 Scotsmen and was captained by Wales’ Sam Warburton. Anyone who knows anything about rugby will agree with the whole load of Welsh players being picked because they were the best. Having gone far (should have gone further) in the World Cup 2011 in New Zealand and come back and won the 6 Nations in 2012 AND 2013.
If in 2017 there are more Scots in the British & Irish Lions, and if Scotland keep up their brilliant performance in this World Cup, then those players will get experience they can’t get in the 6 Nations where the other two teams are France and Italy. As well as getting a chance to play for the British & Irish Lions, having played for Scotland already.
More experience is good, as it increases the chance they can get further in the next World Cup in 2019.
Anyone who cares about rugby cares about the British & Irish Lions including us independence supporters who care about rugby. Should Scotland become Independent, the British & Irish Lions would possibly be renamed the British & Irish & Scottish Lions, who knows?
@Socrates MacSporran
The British Lions are officially called the British & Irish Lions now (since 2001?). There was speculation in the DT that with our independence they would be renamed again!
O/T but Gerry hassan is sinking lower and lower in my estimation, not that it was high in the first place.
Trolling against SG re steel contract for Forth bridge, trying to suggest they are responsible for TaTa closing, perhaps.
However he got fully informed by others in response – maybe looking to be told to F*** off
https://twitter.com/GerryHassan/status/656252358851186689
@Cameron B
No, not mac – android phone.
No a big Apple fan. Will see if Google turns up anything on the issue.
Seems trivial but I like the daft wee things.
“My point was simply whether you thought the prospect of Border Controls might influence how people might vote in indyref2.”
Most countries in the world generally have border controls and most people accept them as a necessary fact of life. What’s your point?
Regarding Sensible Dave, or as I much prefer to call him these days Senseless Dave. Sorry that I sent him here for an education on matters Scots. He is becoming an annoyance it seems and the only way to deal with him is to do what we normally do and ignore him.
Bob Mack 11:19 am
“Xenophobia is alive and kicking in good old England after all
You reek of UKIP”
I see you are still unable read and comprehend a few paragraphs Bob. Its much easier for you to call people names and use a long word that you have “cut and paste” – but can’t have any idea what it actually means. I wouldn’t vote UKIP for all the tea in china!
You are totally incapable of following a line of logic and prefer to just cough out pre-programmed insults to anyone expressing a different point of view to you.
The most incredible thing is in your comment is your inability to spot the stunning irony of your views.
The only xenophobe in this conversation is you Bob – go back and re-read many of your previous comments
@ Clootie 11:40.
I agree.
I’ve always found that wit, wisdom and reasoning are by far the best tools to convince others that your position is the correct one.
Of course, there will always be those that don’t want to listen anyway, so no amount of yelling and swearing is going to change their argument.
@Liz
Can’t stand Gerry Hassan’s hand wringing, cloying, anxious fearty bollocks scribblings.
I used to skim his articles on newsnet (seems like a long time ago now).
Don’t waste your time, you’ll never get those precious minutes back….
Life’s too short, he’s just another whining pseudo scot slab apologist cringer lamenting glories past….
PS…
I don’t think there was one sweary word in the WBB – and look at the effect that had!
SD: “You… prefer to just cough out pre-programmed insults …”
And then…
SD: The only xenophobe in this conversation is you Bob…”
Hmmm… Does that sound sensible to you, Dave?
Proud Cybernat 12:05 pm
“My point was simply whether you thought the prospect of Border Controls might influence how people might vote in indyref2.”
Most countries in the world generally have border controls and most people accept them as a necessary fact of life. What’s your point?”
Well at least we are getting somewhere.
I didn’t make a point, I asked a hypothetical question that was reasonable in the context. I asked if Non-Scotland Voted to leave the EU, and then if that prompted a second referendum in Scotland, would the logical, potential installation of border controls between England and Scotland help, hinder or perhaps be irrelevant, in influencing how Scottish voters might vote in the referendum.
Why is that not a valid question?
SD: “Why is that not a valid question?”
Show me where I said your question was invalid? And then accept that most people regard border controls as a necessary fact of modern life. And then move along.
Just had a workmate point out to me that it says in the paper that nasty man from Wings over Scotland has been abusing poor J K Rowling on twitter and Nicola Sturgeon says he should stop.
Well done Nicola on that tweet yesterday, now, any chance you could come out batting for our team on this matter at any point?
Looking at the Rev’s twitter feed, there’s a remarkable degree of prominence given in the corporate MSM to the vileness of the viley vilester editing this vile site.
Dear Lord, they don’t half fear you, Rev. I’m going round Deerin’s and Farquarson’s doors on Halloween with a Stu Campbell mask. Sherbet lemons should be mine for the taking as an incentive for me to depart as quickly as possible.
@sensibledave.
You believe yourself smooth as silk.Wrong mate.
People on this site can choose many guises,and utilise many devices to portray an image of one type or another.
I have looked at your postings regularly out of curiosity, and though you portray yourself as Tory boy,I think you are something quite different.
You initiate debate only for your own viewpoint,but not to listen to others.
Your sincerity is false in the extreme.with subtle” put downs “for those you consider inferior.
Your contributions are a source of amusement Dave.Nothing else.
@Ronnie
After the Ref I went to a YES shop meeting, and then not long after to an SNP meeting. Just about all had heard of Wings and were talking about it (some article), and all had heard of the WBB, with many saying it was far better than the official boring YES stuff.
Yes, there will be constant attempts to take down Wings.
@Kenny Civil servants are ‘supposed’ to be apolitical. They are functionaries who should ensure that the policies of their political masters are enacted. Of course, we have all seen “Yes Minister” and no doubt there are many in the civil service in Whitehall who consider themselves far superior to their political ‘betters’, but I don;t know that this is yet an issue for Holyrood – though I might be wrong.
If someone is abusing their position to thwart the will of the democratically elected Government of Scotland, I would suggest that their coat is on a shoogly peg.
Bob Mack, Senseless is a supposed Tory, well he was all for singing their praises when I first came upon him. I really wish he would to use a better known phrase in Scotland, Bee of. He is a regular pain and he is only here trying to annoy. So I suggest not speaking to him. Much as I like to skelp his lug I am not engaging him here.
Oh, and the second most important thing I learnt was, never open the door to a troll, once they are in they will never Fuck off.
Galamcennalath ,
There are some Scots, much discussed Andrew Neil being a prime example, who wield power and influence ruthlessly on behalf of the Union. Or, Darling and Brown who sold being better together and Cameron’s Devo pig in a poke to many voters. These people could be considered beyond contempt and civility.”
Was it not poke in a pig you meant?
@Kenny.
The head of the Civil Service for the UK openly admitted trying to sabotage the referendum in favour of No.
I doubt they would have any scruples about openly trying to sabotage the Scottish government.
@Helena Browne,
He is the ideal reminder of everything the Scots have had to put up with for hundreds of years,
In that, and that alone ,he serves a purpose.
Looks like the UK,the Mother of Democracy,is hosting the undemocratic leader of the Communist Party of China and chief host being the undemocratic sovereign of UK.
Could be Westminster establishment ready to ditch the special ties with the USA and jump into bed with the People’s Republic of China.
Its a bit late for this halloween but how about for next year we get organised and produce some Rev Stu masks and go around terrifying the shit out of some of the usual suspects?
Sensibledave. You are right – I know nothing about rugby or football or any other sport for that matter – nor do I care. I do care about the gradual erosion of self esteem of Scots due to the incessant propaganda, sublimminal or otherwise, deliberate or not, by people who would deny us our own identity and culture and who demean our culture by belittlement – meant or otherwise. I suffered it at school with language – my native Scots not beng “acceptable”. It happens in everyday life and while I agree that individual cases can seem petty and unreasonable the continuing drip feed of this attitude has a negative effect on the psyche of the nation. As I said, many are not aware they are even doing it – it’s their “brought-upness”.
Just logged on and started from the bottom to get a quick update on this thread.
All I see is a welter of references and replies to Sensible Dave.
I stopped reading the inflammatory shit that he types months ago, as it just irritates and holds absolutely no interest for me whatsoever. In fact I’m convinced he, like Podmore are placemen to antagonise and deflect us from our goal.
Folks, stop interacting with them, they and their like are not for changing and should be treated (metaphorically) like the midge that briefly buzzes past your ear in the dark
Anyway, I will read around any reference to this Unionist apologist and hope others do likewise.
I like to imagine them, the establishment, the BBC and associated msm fretting, as they watch the sands of an hourglass speed up towards the inevitable end they know is coming.
dave
would the logical, potential installation of border controls between England and Scotland help, hinder or perhaps be irrelevant, in influencing how Scottish voters might vote in the referendum.
Why is that not a valid question?
Cos its bollox
the border controls at airports, train stations and seaports throughout the whole of Europe are tighter now than ever before, try flying from London-Edinburgh and back again. the only thing missing is an fuckin’ endoscope? our roads are the same, lorry drivers often stop for the night in laybyes 15mins away from Edinburgh, they know that the police know exactly which lorries should be on the road and a what time, if they go over their permitted 8 hrs they will almost certainly be stopped.
the same is for cars who cross borders regularly, cameras scan, then computers crunch and send info to custom officers who are usually found in motorway cafes, petrol stations, shopping malls often miles from the actual border.
this is why there is no border control between Eire and NI, they don’t need one, however, movement of people is monitored to a far higher degree now than at any time previously
perhaps you mean how will the britnat ukokery fear mongering about border controls affect the people in the Scottish borders?
very little. the Scottish borders is the second least densely populated area of Scotland. most traffic is east-west not north south. Indeed, the English borders are in most cases is even more sparsely inhabited, the nearest place to Berwick is morpeth and Newcastle, which are miles away and the road is fucking awful. few people commute from the scottish borders to work in england
the fear mongering may convince a few stupid voters in Berwick, or at least the half which lives in Scotland, the half which live in England wont get a vote, so don’t count. but the most likely outcome is that the English half of Berwick will vote to join Scotland, last vote they took, showed over 80% in favour of doing just that.
glad to help
Looks like the UK,the Mother of Democracy,is hosting the undemocratic leader of the Communist Party of China and chief host being the undemocratic sovereign of UK.
And did how the BetterTogether BBC freak monstered SNP Scots.gov for not meeting the Dali Lama or as the gits put it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18533002
Dalai Lama’s visit to Scotland sparks controversy
or as its known, SNP bad.
Neat compare and contrast coverage of China visit and UKOK BBC propaganda attack on Scottish YES vote. Good old beeb hypocrites and liars.
@ Yesindyref2 12:39
I berated the official Yes Scotland office for not having produced factual material like the WBB.
‘No answer’ came the stern reply.
I sincerely hope that when the next Yes campaign gets going, by whoever, we have better material to put through the letterboxes than the rubbish Yes paper.
scotspine
Heartily agree with your post but at the expense of being called an f+*))ing pedant, midges dont buzz, nor to they fly at night 🙂
Sensible Dave et al
The only border these british isles have is between the republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, funny there is no border controls, Just pointing out that fact!But you Westminster, warned of troops on the border, well the Labour Party did, just remember that when you ever get the opportunity to vote, the only nation to threaten Scotland in the last 300 years is England!
Oh and they, the Irish Republic, had monetary union from 1928 to 1979.
“The period from 1922 to 1979, that is, the period of Ireland’s informal currency union, was a period of amazing turbulence, one major upheaval following another: the Civil War, the Wall Street Crash, De Valera’s crazy but mercifully short-lived ‘economic war’ against Britain, the Great Depression and then the Second World War. Despite these vast asymmetric exchange_rate2shocks, there were no bank failures in Ireland. The Irish banks relied on the London wholesale market for their liquidity needs. Even when an Irish ‘central bank’ was formed in 1943, the banking system with its large net holdings of external assets had no need of the new ‘central bank’ as a lender of last resort. These reserves were far in excess of the note issue, so that periodic net capital outflows were absorbed without any shrinkage in currency.”
Bob Mack, Scottish Brown if you do not mind, no relation to that other yin, G. Brown though.
Aye that is the only use he has here is Senseless, but I do not think he is working or he would not have the time, perhaps he works for that bunch of Government spooks?
@sensibledave12.14pm
You wouldn’t vote UKIP “for all the tea in China”? About to have unlimited amounts of the irradiated stuff dumped on your doorstep via Hinkley Point in Somerset. Glad I’m further away from this particular batch of China tea than you seem to be.
We have been here before with the Steel Industry & the EU in the 80s ,to much Steel production in Europe so British Steel had to close plants, it favoured France & Germany & TaTa but NOT SCOTLAND.There is no such thing as cheap steel in the longer term, only cheap wages. The Tories sold out the steel workers before & are doing it again.
@ Taranaich, 19/10/15, 6:14pm
I absolutely agree with your post and commented recently on another website, my husband’s reaction, when visiting Oradour sur Glane, to such comparisons during the indyref campaign.
We had to put up with, and still do, disgraceful comments and gestures from the Rule Britannia mob during the Yes campaign; swearing is the least of it.
schrodingers cat says:
You beat me too it, that’s what happens when you can be in a quantum superposition of different paths!
I agree with Scotspine – “sensible” wrote that most English people could not care one way or other about Scotland – and that’s fine with me! – I assume he feels the same. So why does he spend so much time here? Simple is it not. He is well entitled to his opinions but they are redundant in the matter of Scottish Independence. Ignore him please and let’s discuss what we want to – not what he wants you to discuss.
Jim Thomson wrote, “Errmm, it’s not “logging” it’s called searching, using things called “search terms”.
And I thought you knew how to use the internet.”
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, to log means to enter information in a regular record.
I think it a weird use of the ‘Rev”s valuable time to log trivia.
Mind you, it stops him writing about Gaelic!
@Andrew McLean
living at the arse end of an uncollapsed 11th dimensional probability wave isn’t all its cracked up to be 🙂
Will Podmore – are you chastising us? How very colonial!
SNP and 60% YES opinion polls before another referendum is a tactical nonsense.
This is well worth a read
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/if-snp-sources-are-saying-second.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+ScotGoesPop+%28SCOT+goes+POP!%29
your searchs, search terms, or meta tags are…….logged
then sold to the highest bidder
@ Achnababan
I have a strong memory of travelling with my dad to Torridon to do some climbing and pitching our tent in the dark. As I eventually lay there, I was very aware of repeated and numerous zzzzt, zzzzt, zzzzt in my ear. Irritating it was in the extreme.
Schrodingers Cat 1.03
You wrote “this is why there is no border control between Eire and NI, they don’t need one, however, movement of people is monitored to a far higher degree now than at any time previously”
To state the obvious (which you seem to not understand)SC, both Eire and NI are in the EU!!! Your attempted comparison is irrelevant.
To make the point, and looking at just one example issue let us assume that there has been a) a Brexit, B) a scottish referendum won by Yes and Scottish Independence is being implemented.
In that scenario, Scotland would be allowing (I assume) the free movement of workers within the EU. They could fly to Edinburgh (or arrive by boat) and enter Scotland freely.
However, I also assume in this scenario, that Non Scotland wouldn’t want to allow that freedom of movement to work to extend to Non Scotland. That is not my personal view, I am saying it is the logical result of our hypothetical scenario.
So how, other than having a border control, passport control, etc, does one stop migrants from within the EU arriving in England via Scotland?
Just for clarity SC, I am not arguing for this outcome, I am asking if there is any other realistic outcome that is likely to be accepted by both Non-Scotland UK and Scotland – given the sequence of events used in the example?
Pretending there is no issue to be discussed is just silly.
@ronnie anderson asserts: “The Tories sold out the steel workers before & are doing it again.”
@ronnie anderson obviously means the SNP’s Tartan Tories. As reported on 4 March 2012: “Steelworkers’ leaders have said it is a scandal that not an ounce of Scottish steel will be used in the construction of the new Forth crossing. Michael Leahy, general secretary of the Community trade union, told the Scottish Labour Party conference yesterday the Scottish Government had no industrial policy to help ‘level the playing field for Scottish industry to compete globally’. Delegates in Dundee backed an emergency resolution calling on the [SNP] Government to carry out a full and transparent review of the procurement process which saw steel contracts awarded to China, Poland and Spain.”
The SNP Government sold the Scottish steel industry down the river.
Thanks for responses to my question…
“I know all MINISTERS in Scotland are members of the SNP…. But what about junior ministers? Civil servant honchos? I am dealing with an official who heads a department and he seems to be sabotaging more than helping Nicola… Any details or thoughts?”
But I am not talking about Whitehall ministers, I mean Scottish civil servants! I do not want to name the department, but basically the equivalent of a Deputy Legal Secretary.
Scotland has a civil service also… but how much is the Scottish administration really SNP?
Scot Finlayson
In times gone by the focus before the visit of a Chinese Premier or PM visit to China would be whether or not China’s human rights record would be brought up.
Todays tories (inc J Hunt) have surely got a pen and paper hand ready to learn how to emulate the Chinese administration and ‘use’ the human resources in the UK more efficiently whilst minimising dissent.
A couple of thoughts on the EU border suplex(!) from this morning. Firstly: Border posts between states can be erected at the behest of either side or both or an agreement could be reached between the two to coexist without. It is difficult to imagine a government on either side being anything other than reasonable and coming to some agreement. Petulence and obstruction are not really vote winners.
It is a minor issue and I couldn’t honestly say what effect it would have. Any worry by the electorate about border posts may be offset and then some by the Osborne effect whereby people do not uniformly respond in the way intended when they are threatened.
Secondly: In the event of a UK exit from the EU would the EU be keen for Scotland to remain in Europe? Ignoring the arguments about process, if UK exits the EU would the EU be against Scotland rejoining/remaining in; would the EU be neutral on the issue or would the EU be in favour of Scotland rejoining/remaining in?
Whatever you’re thoughts on the rights and wrongs of EU membership it is hard for me to envisage any worldly reason why the EU would not do everything in its power to keep Scotland in/rejoin the EU as they are an expansionist organisation, and the opportunity to give Westminster a bloody nose would be irresistible.
Would JC Juncker for example want to encourage Scotland to remain, would be be neutral or would be be happy to let us detatch against our will?
For the life of me I cannot grasp how such a Strategically important industry such as Steel production should be allowed to go to the wall .
They say it is because the cost of electricity etc is not viable to compete with China among other reasons.
It is of vital National importance to have the ability to manufacture your own steel, and never more so in an unpredictable world where supplies could be cut off on a whim.
Again with the Tories,the free market overtakes common sense
Oh schrodingers cat.
Man was meant to dream to strive towards perfection to achieve his greatest actualization and by doing so obtain a place in the singularity!
Me I am forever blowing quantum foam bubbles from my finite potential well! 🙂
@Kenny,
The Civil Service is an organisation that covers all the UK.
Scottish civil Service is an arm of Whitehall and owes their allegiance to them.
They are National as opposed to regional.
Many have been transferred up from England to work in various Scottish depts over the past decade.
I love this site. I visit it several times every day. I love Stuart Campbell (in a manly way, you understand). But my heart sank on Sunday night when I read his tweets. Why give them the ammunition? There is only going to be one winner in a battle with Rowling and the media. This site is thriving so why turn off potential readers? Stuart should maybe read again the Etiquette part in the “about” segment of this site, particularly, if memory serves the part about “write as if an undecided voter is reading”.
Talking about the “Border” thing. Border controls would not just hurt Scotland, it would severly effect England too, in particular the North and the midlands.
Why?, I stay just off the M74(M6),I travel on it most days, just like I did with the M8 when I stayed closer to that.
The sheer volume of lorries coming back and forth from the South is astounding. All manner of goods come, 24/7.
If you take supermarkets alone, they own almost all, exceptions Aldi and Lidl. While these two make a reasonable attempt to put Scottish produce on their shelves. The English ones hardly anything.It is huge business for them.
Enforced borders would be a nightmare for them alone, and many other things come not just food.Goods of all descriptions. Scotland is a huge market for England, one they would not want to lose.
It has been said that the supermarkets would charge more.
Mibbe yes, mibbe no. But if England thought that would work out for them in the medium term, I think not.
There are very many European Market chains, some would fill the gap.But what an opportunity for Scottish food suppliers, without that competition from England they could all up production, expand and employ more.
The other thing we would need though is a container terminals, in Glasgow and in Edinburgh, perhaps one further north too. For goods coming in, yes, but also exports, that would actually acrue to our own balance sheets instead of those of England’s as it is now.
They have too much to lose to impose border controls, they might do it out of spite, I do not discount that, we know who we are dealing with.
But again in the medium term, I think their only way of helping their own manufacturers would be to quickly dismantle them before we make other arrangements.
@sensibledave
There’s a Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland, and that was maintained in the 2011 agreement:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/99045/21197-mea-sec-trav.pdf
Particulalrly look at “Purposes and Aims” – 2.
Also (2013) “Paragraph 15 of the Immigration Rules states that the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and the Republic of Ireland collectively form a common travel area. A person who has been examined for the purpose of immigration control at the point at which he entered the area does not normally require leave to enter any other part of it.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-cta/common-travel-area-cta
There’s no reason to believe there wouldn’t be the same with Scotland and the rUK – and Ireland.
Bob Mack says:
20 October, 2015 at 1:37 pm
For the life of me I cannot grasp how such a Strategically important industry such as Steel production should be allowed to go to the wall
It was all shut down decades ago. Most of the NOT Scots oil fields are built with Japanese steel, actually all of it is. Ravenscraig went as NOT Scots oil and gas industry was rapidly investing and so, whatever’s left of the steel industry to have voted NO, welcome to teamGB, you voted for the strength and security of pooling and sharing, what Crash Gordon said would be UKOK great to vote NO for.
Incidentally,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Murray_(Scottish_businessman)
made his billions as steel trader, buying from Japan, selling to what was left of the Scottish shipping industry and the rest of teamGB.
Is Murray as rich as say Sir Ian Wood? Murray was selling Japanese steel to last ever rig builders up at Ardersier in the 80’s for a couple of jackets but there was no serious long term infrastructure investment in the area or that sector, like what Norway have done.
Get in, get the cash, get the fcuk out. Its the UKOK way. And now its all over for the last of the last, that voted NO.
While everyone in the Corpsemedia has been going on about a “fuck off” – over on Twitter nasty cybernats and others have found some people to chat in Gaelic with a lady in her nineties for whom it is her first language.
Her family all live down south and wanted to find people who could understand her – her dementia means that she is now more likely to speak Gaelic than English.
A good news story for you xx
sensibledave says:
“You state the obvious (which you seem to not understand)SC, both Eire and NI are in the EU!!! Your attempted comparison is irrelevant.”
for your information Ireland, The Isle of Man, the UK,and the Channel Islands have formed a common travel area (the TCA) since the early 1950s. There is no formal agreement between Ireland and the UK regarding the common travel area and it is not provided for in legislation. The first legal recognition of the common travel area between Ireland and the UK is contained in the Treaty of Amsterdam. Of course both Ireland and the UK opted out of the substantive clauses with regard to border control and freedom of movement just to confuse matters some more!
Back to you David!
maybe not relevant to this thread and maybe of no interest but I discovered today that new citizens have to take and oath or an affirmation to Queen Elizabeth the second, even in Scotland. That technically correct?
@sensibledave
And by the way, if the UK / rUK leaves the EU, it doesn’t leave the EEA (can’t be forced out) it could join EFTA instead if it wanted:
http://www.brugesgroup.com/eu/efta-or-the-eu.htm?xp=paper
The rUK doesen’t even have to join EFTA, it can keep EEA, and have bilateral agreements with the EU / member states (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway).
In fact the rUK doesn’t even need EEA to trade and move freely within the single market, as Switzerland does:
https://www.gov.uk/eu-eea
yesindyref2 / sensible dave says:
I stand corrected about the agreement, so it lasted from the 1950s to 2011, without formal agreement, not the most pressing rush!
Strichen Eck
You are a Troll. The posting name is poorly chosen, even for a Troll.
The SNP Government sold the Scottish steel industry down the river.
There is no steel produced in Scotland that would be used for the new Forth Bridge. At the time the contract was awarded there was no steel producer in Scotland making the type of steel used. No bids were received for steel that was made in Scotland.
Decades of Tory and Labour London governments ran down and closed the steel industry in Scotland.
Before the SNP came to power the steel making that could have been used in such a project was gone.
The only connection is that Tata – which still had 2 small mills producing different products in Scotland could have shipped steel from one of its overseas plant to Scotland. They bid and they lost the bid.
So I look forward to your retraction.
Ronnie Anderson about the steel
Ronnie in 1980 or 81, I sat modern studies O Level. The question was basically about the impact of Japan on the steel , coal etc in our part of the World .
30 odd years later and Westminster is exposed once more for no forward planning, no vision and no response of substance to global industries.
The workforce or people, they get blown in which ever direction the wind blows- repeatedly by either the red or blue .
There is never a plan B for Great Britain . There is never a vision or hope or even a decent business model that doesn’t involve erring just on the side of the law, while scamming the public.
Banks, insurance ( PPI anyone) , energy prices even some of the charities . However , I must admit one of the most cynical business models I’ve come across was Stirling Council.
Sadly, I lost someone close recently. To buy a lair in 2001/2 was £400 , to open that same lair in 2015 was £1004 . Even in death , it’s all about the money ! Greed Breeds
@Strichen Eck
Mince from beginning to the end.
Which steel plant in Scotland produces the right steel for bridge building?
Dear Lord, they don’t half fear you, Rev. I’m going round Deerin’s and Farquarson’s doors on Halloween with a Stu Campbell mask. Sherbet lemons should be mine for the taking as an incentive for me to depart as quickly as possible.
a Rev Halloween Mask!!!
That’s a Good fundraiser right there for our Wings billboard campaign!
I’d buy one to hang on my front door to scare off the guisers for a start!!! lol.
@ Dr Jim
I have been following your correspondence with Ruby about bolding and don´t be embarrassed I can´t get the hang of it either.
I´ve just got used to not having to share my telephone line with the people next door and now i´ve got to learn about HTML Tags.
What the hell are they? Where do I find them on the key board?
So Ruby what time is the night class? I think you post it on Off Topic both to free up the thread and also to save Dr jim´s, mine (and other lurkers!) blushes.
Lastly Ruby if I pass the class tonight can you promise me that in the future I will be able to BOLDLY GO?
Reaching for coat!
Fact 4: (a) Nicola Sturgeon was not democratically elected as leader of the SNP – (b) Nicola Sturgeon was crowned leader of the SNP in a coronation.
Nicola Sturgeon was democratically elected as leader of the SNP. No one else ran in an open competition. Thats an election. A coronation is when a royal by birth comes to the throne in an official ceremony. Nicola Sturgeon is not a sovereign.
Fact 5: (a) Nicola Sturgeon was nominated as First Minister only because she was crowned leader of the SNP in a coronation – (b) only SNP MSPs and one former SNP MSP voted for Nicola Sturgeon’s nomination as First Minister.
Wrong, the process for selecting and balloting for First Minister is in the procedures of the Scottish Parliament. Nicola Sturgeon was not crowned and is not a sovereign.
What you present as ‘Fact’ is just plain wrong. and sounds like very sour grapes.
Or perhaps your a sad little Troll with lists…
Rev
This is by far the best blog in the known universe!
In a few short posts we have covered, Quantum mechanics, monetary union with Ireland and its impact on Scotland, Border controls, Steel production, the oath of allegiance, Chinese state visit, and the holocaust!
It’s actually fantastic!
Some idiot said recently, Scotts have nothing to talk about!
@crisiscult
Good grief, it seems that’s true even for Scotland:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/268021/oathofallegiance.pdf
Oath:
“I, [name], swear by Almighty God that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors according to law.”
Pledge:
“I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms. I will uphold its democratic values. I will observe its laws faithfully and fulfil my duties and obligations as a British citizen.”
But the pledge doesn’t swear allegiance to QE2, so that would be the best one for Scotland.
@les wilson
Travelling on the Borders railway, you pass the Portobello container terminal – a wasteland of rusting machinery with young trees growing between the tracks. What happened? Did all the freight go back onto the roads?
@Andrew McLean
Well, that’s a statement, from an agreement I guess, but I’m not sure if it’s the subject of legislation, as in an Act. So presumably it could be altered at will, at any time.
Anagach says:
20 October, 2015 at 2:03 pm
Strichen Eck
You are a Troll. The posting name is poorly chosen, even for a Troll.
He’s probably only a Press and Journal reader, over at Strawn.
WoS readers will be pleased to hear that WoS also gets a neo-fascist Voice of The North monstering, page 11 today, near on full page too. Although these guys really use this horrifying tragedy of JKJ Rowling/twitter for their usual full on Nic Sturgeon smear, as per.
Also today’s neo fascist Voice of The North is a full front page Vote Boris Jonson blast and his Boris Island airport planned for even more investment in London.
If you dont vote Boris, the 3rd runway at Heathrow will end all flights Aberdeen, Dyce, says that bizarre bunch of britnat trolls. Really weird full face front page photo of Bojo too, even for such a far right local rage like P&J.
@ Harry McAye
You ask “This site is thriving so why turn off potential readers?”
First of all, Rev didn’t make the comments on this site, it was on Twitter as you know. If you or anyone else is arguing that what Rev says on Twitter represents, reflects on, or tarnishes, Wings then you might consider the implications for those other journalists who work for mainstream newspapers and who swear on Twitter constantly.
Secondly, Twitter is just mayhem and nothing anyone says there, generally speaking, should be taken as representative of anything. It’s the Internet playground. Someone swearing on Twitter isn’t comment-worthy, never mind news-worthy.
Third, many of us are sick of dancing on rice paper for these treasonous pigs. Many of us would like to see the SNP and others respond more vigorously to the crap that gets peddled and accepted as the norm in this country.
When you actually look at the way things are going, they’re basically applying the Mohawk Valley formula to Independence supporters.
And the idea that we will ever win over these unionists with reasoned debate is just fucking insane — go watch videos from George square when the thugs rounded on teenage girls and tell me you think it’s even possible to have a meaningful debate with those bastards. A straight face wins you 5 bucks.
@Angra Mainyu
“And the idea that we will ever win over these unionists with reasoned debate is just fucking insane ”
So 45% it is then, now and forever. Oh, yippeee, if you’re a Unionist.
I don’t think so!
Nobody expects to “win over” hardened Unionists, but they represent perhaps 0.3% or less of the population of Scotland.
Meanwhile the other 55.0% who voted NO are not impressed, but they are open to “reasoned debate”. About 5% have already moved to YES, but it wasn’t by swearing at them and calling them cowards. Or tractors.
YES to Independence
18 Sep 2014 – 45%
18 Sep 2015 – 50%
and counting …
@sensibledave
The reason that there is freedom of travel between the UK and ROI is not because they are in the EU, but because they are not in Schengen.
Your presumption that Scotland would be in Schengen if it was based in the EU pertains to the scenario, oftimes mooted in the Referendum debate, that if Scotland left the UK it would have to apply for EU membership, and therefore be obliged to sign up to Schengen.
This scenario is different in that it would be the rest of the UK voting to leave the EU, Scotland voting to stay in the EU, then Scotland voting to leave the UK to stay in the EU, based on a referendum called by the Scottish government, which sits in Holyrood, which is legally a European Regional Assembly.
This raises several questions relating to Schengen and indeed Scotland’s status within the EU. Would Scotland be deemed to be a continuing member of the EU should it vote to leave the UK to stay in the EU? And if so, would it then retain the present status of the UK vis a vis Schengen, should it wish to do so?
Add to this the present questionable long-term prospects of Schengen per se, and your predication that Scotland would be in Schengen as a matter of course, and that rUK would need to set up a border, is extremely unsound.
Surely if the Dalzell steel mill is a rolling mill, then why can’t they get the Ingot blocks of steel from another source.
If Scunthorpe, who provide the blocks at the moment, is closing, then why can’t Dalzell buy blocks of steel from whoever sells cheap blocks of steel?
C’mon Ronnie, answer that one. LOL.
@Strichen Eck …
Thanks for another bit of post-truth unionist propaganda bearing no relation to observable reality. We don’t have any steel production, because WM destroyed that industry for us.
https://twitter.com/jegteg/status/656126099630501888?lang=en-gb
@Schrodinger’s Cat …
You’re right. Plus, nothing could possibly be BETTER for the local economies of the Scottish and English Borders, than having an actual border in place, particularly if it was a currency frontier, and the EU’s frontier with post-UK terra incognito to the South. Towns on the Éire/NI border like Newry and Dundalk have thriving economies based on being at a currency/taxation interface, and the local economies of Dover and Calais are likewise predicated on international trade. Berwick was Scotland’s biggest town for centuries for precisely the same reasons. If I was a business person in Berwickshire or Northumberland, I’d be crying out for Scottish Independence.
They could fly to Edinburgh (or arrive by boat) and enter Scotland freely.
nobody flies anywhere freely, there are border controls in every airport
how do you stop eu immigrants, sameway as you stop eu tourists, ie you don’t, not at border controls anyhow,
how do you stop eu people working in a non eu England….if they don’t have permission then they cant work or stay
indeed, without building any border controls, that is something that an non eu England will need to decide, what to do with eu citizens who currently live and work in England at the moment. will england recind their existing permission? of course, after England votes to pull out of the eu, whatever agreement England makes with the eu or anyone else is entirely up to them, but im sure the eu would reciprocate, watching 2 million English nationals crowding Calais to get back to England as the eu citizens leave England would make indian partition look like a picnic
if England only wants to remove the right of future eu citizens coming to England and staying and working there, that is their prerogative, nothing to do with me or anyone else in Scotland
you have a very niave view of what border controls actually do dave, but by all means, build a wall across NI, since the same scenario that you point out will exist there also, dig a hole across the English border, why don’t you. None of my business, i doubt it will even be reported in scottish news. It will stop eu citizens coming into England, no doubt about it, but it will also decimate your tourist industry
come to think of it, It could be you’re just talking bollox, how does a passport, customs official and a red and white barrier distinguish between illegal eu immigrants and tourists?
Strichen Eck
Mistake no 1 -coming on to Wings
Mistake no 2 -getting your facts completely wrong
Re Chinese Steel used on Forth Bridge read the following & inwardly absorb.
https://twitter.com/Innealadair/status/656361749365567488
Always happy to help 🙂
O/T
MP’s are discussing the cut to tax credits on the BBC Parliament channel. These cuts are due to kick in at the beginning of April.
That’s another 5% swing guaranteed towards the YES vote.
Getting ever closer to BBC Scotland’s 60% mark.
Strichen Eck@11.50am,
Your a lying cunt. I just went on several political websites and they concur. The SNP scored 50.02% of the Scottish Vote. So fuck off and stop trolling us you wet fart.
Stephen.
Sd, ‘You are another fool that is unable to have a view on anything – without it having something to do with Scottish Independence.’
This site is the number 1 Scottish indepedence site in the Universe. It’s literally dedicated to the pursuit of self determination for Scotland. It’s very existence is predicated upon the fundamental believe that Scotland ‘should be’ an independent country.
What are you doing here?
Your patronising condescension is as unwelcome here as the viceroy Mundell’s input into the political debate in Scotland. An out of touch conservative twat who has been promoted above his paygrade whose sole function is to do his masters bidding.
That’s the ‘point’ of him. What’s the point of you?
Strichen Eck,
You lying bastard. SNP according to numerous different sources received 50.02% of those that voted. But I forgot, being a Unionist you always count the non voters as NO/Anti SNP as you suggest.
Why don’t you do Labours old tricks and put down crosses beside the newly dead still on the register and stuff the ballot boxes. Democracy Labour style. Don’t you fucking just love it.
Now fuck off and get your fingers out of your arsehole. Uncle Albert will be along quite soon to fill your void. Uncle Albert being your pet name for half the sixth form cricket team at your private boys boarding school.
Stephen.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/heatmap-flags-up-scottish-areas-as-most-lacking-in-uk-in-basic-online-skills.8931
Correlation with NO voting?
dave
To state the obvious (which you seem to not understand)
“Scotland would be allowing (I assume) the free movement of workers within the EU. They could fly to Edinburgh (or arrive by boat) and enter Scotland freely. ”
as I said, no one moves through any airport, anywhere
Build a border, dig a hole for all I care dave, none of my business, but your border will not just stop legal eu immigrants, it will also stop eu tourists.
in reality, eu citizens only need to prove they are eu citizens to live and work in England, eu passport etc. after England votes to leave the eu, I dare say that to live and work you will need an English passport, or a visa etc.
it is this change which will stop eu citizens coming to work and live in England, not some red and white pole across a road.
feel free to keep digging yer hole tho’
Kininvie says:
I have no idea, do you?
What I was speaking about was the possibilities in Scotland to further trade if good old Brittania becomes spiteful.
Xxxx
yesindyref2 1:53 pm
@sensibledave
“There’s a Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland, and that was maintained in the 2011 agreement …..A person who has been examined for the purpose of immigration control at the point at which he entered the area does not normally require leave to enter any other part of it.” “There’s no reason to believe there wouldn’t be the same with Scotland and the rUK – and Ireland.”
Ee Gods this is hard work! I know all of that – but a Brexit would bring an end to it! Non Scot UK would not be in the EU. NON Scot UK, I assume, wouldn’t want freedom of movement for EU citizens to live and work in the Non Scot UK. Non Scot UK would therefore have to protect its borders from people entering via Ireland and Scotland wouldn’t it?
I am not arguing for this outcome I am asking how else could it possibly work – given that this issue would have been one of the main reasons for a Brexit – if that does come to pass!
@sensibledave
Ye Gods, the CTA has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, nor a Brexit. A Brexit does not “bring an end” to the CTA.
I’ll repeat that, the EU has nothing to do with the CTA.
@galamacennalath
This is the actual heatmap…
http://www.go-on.co.uk/resources/heatmap/
There’s a huge correlation between NO voting and digital exclusion, by the looks of it. The only blips are in the Lothians and Aberdeenshire, where it seems that people know how to get online, but still prefer to get their info from the Hootsman, P&J and EBC 😉
Strichen Dave,
Divide Total Votes in Scotland 2 901 465 by 2. Answer is 1 450 732 and a half. That is 50% of the vote. SNP vote was 1 454 436. That is nearly 4000 votes over half. Kindly fuck off.
Stephen.
I’ve been abroad recently and often had real difficulty accessing the Internet. I’ve returned to trying to ‘catch up’ and get my ‘fix’ of Wings. It’s meant that I’ve been skimming through articles / posts but could see that as usual Stu had done us proud in exposing so many lies and liars.
However I agree with Harry McAye and don’t think that some of the comments on here will be attracting many no voters to join us and I thought that was the name of the game.
@Angra Mainyu (or destructive spirit)
“And the idea that we will ever win over these unionists with reasoned debate is just fucking insane”
With that impeccable “unionist” logic, the 45% would stay at 45% forever, which would undoubtedly make “unionists” very happy.
In the real world:
YES to Independence
18th Sep 2014: 45%
18th Sep 2015: 50%
and counting ….
That’s great isn’t in Angra, I’m sure you’d agree, wouldn’t you?
Sensible Dave
CTA is a great thing, when traveling through Europe in my caravan, I am always struck how poignant the old derelict border crossings look, to be honest, I think the UK is up its own arse, I wouldn’t be surprised if they opened the borders, how many would actually come and stay?
we are constantly told there are hundreds ready to swarm the border, I suggest it’s because they think, or believe the hype, that britain is a land of milk and honey, its not its cold damp and expensive, the natives aren’t the friendliest, the beer is warm, the rents high,and there are no jobs! But put up a border and say you can’t come in, and you create a demand!
Andrew McLean 3:48 pm
CTA is a great thing, when traveling through Europe in my caravan, I am always struck how poignant the old derelict border crossings look, to be honest, I think the UK is up its own arse, I wouldn’t be surprised if they opened the borders, how many would actually come and stay?
Personally, I agree with much of what you say. over 300,000 (net) migrants moved to the UK last year and most of them are in England. A vote to Brexit would be, I assume, a vote to stop that. People would probably need visas to come here, they would have no right of residency, and therefore people would have to be checked in and out – I assume?
Angra Mainyu – I’m well aware of what those two lassies were put through in George Square, that’s got the square root of f all to do with this. If anyone was unaware, they will have read that the man behind Wings Over Scotland was abusive towards Rowling and Gray. Whether that puts anyone off from visiting the site I don’t know, but it certainly doesn’t help.
I agree with you about dancing on sand but being aggressive towards No voters, as Stu himself says in this very site’s introduction, is not helping the independence cause. If he hadn’t tweeted, abusive cybernats would not be front page news. We know by now how these bastards work so I say again, why give the ammunition? I’m not perfect, I have sworn on twitter, usually to try for some humorous effect, but when I engage with journalists or famous folk I always try to be polite.
Topic: Sensibledave And The Art Of Fast Scrolling?
I think everyone should be free to discuss any topic they like however it would be good if everyone could indicate what their post is about and that would allow others to SQP if that particular topic is of absolutely no interest to them.
SQP = Scroll Quickly Past.
How about something like
Warning: This Is A Response To sensibledave Who Like A Good Stooge Has Fed Me My Lines
I know what Stu has said re off topic posts: ‘Don’t fuckin’ do it’ but it would seem nobody is that bothered about getting a good hammering.
PS: Wuffing Dug says:
No a big Apple fan.
Ruby asks?
No a big Apple fan???? Is the Wuffing Dug barking?
“when i engage with journalists orfamous folk i usually tug my forelock and say yes sir.”
Fixed it for you Harry.
@yesindyref2
re the ‘pledge’, that appears on oath and affirmation. It’s the second paragraph. In the first paragraph, they both mention Lizzy II, just differ in the first few words. So basically every new citizen is being asked to recognise that England was the continuing state in the Union and Scotland was extinguished.
Sensible Dave
You are assuming a lot, in any case, as would happen in a Yes vote in scotland, the exit would be negotiated, if say the vote was yes to leave, the doors don’t close overnight, there would be a transition period, and that would necessitate agreement, mutual agreement! and that is never a simple task.
I would postulate the westminster Government would settle for EU light, even out of europe proper, as most of the business rules and laws have a EU fondation.
And the suggestion from the no camp is that out of the EU it would free them from pesky rules, might, actually I believe would backfire on them.
But onto the border question, it is conceivable that the rUK would put up border controls for people, not goods that’s a completely different kettle of fish. The Scottish Government could reciprocate, almost like the borders into europe from the uk, bored to tears border guards glancing at your passport, not giving a monkeys! but to be honest, common sense will prevail, it usually does.
Topic: Boldy going to the Off Topic thread if only I could find it.
Evening classes for the ‘Doctor’ & ‘uno mas’are due to start soon and I’m lost.
Ruby dear go to the top of the page, go down the middle column which starts with –
For new readers
Scroll down and you will find under zany comedy relief a little link –
Off-topic
I’ll put the kettle on.
@Ruby
I hate to say this but it takes longer for me to read and read past a bolded headline which interrupts the page flow, than to scan quickly through an off or on-topic posting.
Topic: Thank you Paula Rose. Evening class has started on Off Topic thread.
Evening class has started all welcome. BYOB
Scunterbunnet says:
The other effect is bound to be the kind of areas which attract Tory type people and retirees from down south.
I think we all accept that not being online, or at least not making much use of the available info online, does tend to make you more likely to vote no. Knowing from research that is good.
However, knowing where is also useful. Means we know where to target by non www means.
@ Stricken Eck I have several translaters on WoS & your no wan o them, Piss Off.
galamcennalath…has to be truth in that:
‘I think we all accept that not being online, or at least not making much use of the available info online, does tend to make you more likely to vote no. Knowing from research that is good.’
We know as people became more informed they moved from No to Yes during the campaign.
The key has always been: getting the information to them.
Mmm, getting people used to the idea of “YES”.
Do you prefer Harry Potter to J K Rowling?
@Ruby
this dug is an android dug.
Don’t like them apple stores, nae till? Whit kinda shops that?
I’ve got an ipod though….
The irony is of course that if JK Rowling gave £1 million to Better Together on the condition that we get Devo-Max:
1). She will soon be asking for her money back because we’re not getting Devo-Max
2). She’s a potential YES voter in Indy Ref 2.
Bill McLean asks, “are you chastising us? How very colonial.” So all criticism is oppression?
How very paranoid.
Some more facts for @bugsbunny and other ill-informed SNP supporting nationalists.
Fact 6: (a) The total number of votes cast in Scotland on 7 May 2015 was 2,910,465 of which (b) 1,454,436 (49.97%) were votes for the SNP’s MP candidates and (c) 1,456,029 (50.03%) were votes for non-SNP MP candidates.
Which means that, contrary to @bugsbunny’s assertions, Facts 1 and 2 are facts:-
Fact 1: On 7 May 2015 fewer than 50% of those who voted in Scotland voted for the SNP’s MP candidates.
Fact 2: On 7 May 2015 more than 50% of those who voted in Scotland voted for non-SNP MP candidates.
wont somebody think of the children??? ;))
Juteman says:
When I enngage with journalists or famous folk i usually tug my forelock and say yes sir.”
Fixed it for you Harry.
No Juteman, it is possible to make a forceful point politely or are you an immature child?