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  1. Thepnr says:

    Says Blair McDougall the leader of the most “horrible” campaign ever in Scottish politics.

    You hypocrite.

  2. Lesley-Anne says:

    Well I suppose it needs someone who is horrible and base themselves to point these little *ahem* facts out to us in S******d who are all too wee, too poor and too stupid to figure it out for ourselves!

  3. R-type Grunt says:

    Blair McDougall is a fuckin’ wanker! Who the fuck knew?

  4. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    I am, generally, a non-agressive sort of guy. I treat people as I find them but, if they prove to be not on the same wavelength as me, I cut them off.

    End of.

    But Bliar McDougall? Don’t get me started! He appears to live in a parallel world where all is well with his party and everything else in his world.

    As an anonymous Scotsman said, once upon a time, “Hingin’s too good fur him. What he needs is a good kick in the €r$e!”

  5. No no no...yes says:

    Just another one that forgets the Internet carried on after 18 September 2014. Surprised at this one, jeez.

  6. HandandShrimp says:

    I’m guessing there will be a fair bit of clothes stealing in the EU referendum and Blair McD will express horror and surprise.

    It will be entertaining if nothing else.

  7. Dr Jim says:

    Scotland more vulnerable than now? does he mean?
    People like us, it’s that passport thing wae aw the Yoonited arrogant Kingshit and Big Brave Britain we’ll nuke you shit they don’t like

    Typical exaggeration from the Yoons there, I bet you £100,000,000 we’d be safer Independent

    Was that enough exaggeration?

  8. cearc says:

    “Scotland ‘more likely to suffer catastrophic terror attack if it achieves independence’”

    I wonder who would have arranged that? Those nice people in the handsome building on the south bank, maybe?

  9. Tam Jardine says:

    You nailed him there Rev… something tells me Blair will enjoy that one as much as the rest of us.

    What dismays me is that the opportunity was there for Scotland to actually play a big role as a moral force in European affairs and in the wider world. Rejecting nukes was just the starting point. The world is crying out for independent, progressive voices on the international stage.

    It is almost inconceivable for the UK as there is so much baggage there, and it is impossible for the UK to take some kind of moral high ground after Iraq etc etc.

    I can’t see how force alone can neutralise ISIS though God knows we will try. I certainly don’t think obtaining new nuclear attack submarines will improve our security one fucking iota- they will just lead to our conventional military being underfunded and make us a more attractive target.

    The articles linked to on Scottish independence causing increasing the threat from terrorism were obviously bullshit – lets credit no voters with a little intelligence! I won’t believe they swung a single vote.

  10. Calum McKay says:

    The inevitable is that Bliar McDougall will join his pal Alastair in the house of lords for services rendered to democracy.

  11. The Man in the Jar says:

    Anyone with any sense will have abandoned SLab by now. All that is left is the last refuge of a load of zoomers clinging to the myth that they are somehow relevant.

  12. Tam Jardine says:

    Calum McKay

    Do you really think Blair will end up in the house of lords? I would be surprised if he was not detested more by his own team than by us. They needed a waterboy to do the no campaign mundane stuff. Inner circle he is not.

    I would be surprised if his phone was ringing off the hook with lucrative offers following the indyref. A tragic figure – in another life he would probably be an amusing middle manager – probably a fun guy to have at an end of quarter night out.

    Maybe a sales rep able to get a few folk together for a round of golf or secure seats at old Trafford.

  13. charlie says:

    Darling has shut up about Scotland since he took the ermine, and also said little to promote a workers republic (turn off sarcasm detector before it explodes).
    The sooner McDougall is in the House of Lords the better.

  14. Jim Morris says:

    BBC2 three hours of news this afternoon to crank up the propaganda and rhetoric to justify bombing more civilians and civilisations back into the stone age. 129 victims in Paris are crying out for either 1290 or 12900 more victims depending on whether you think 1 of ‘us’ is worth 10 or 100 of ‘them’.

  15. Democracy Reborn says:

    Blair should have a long, hard think before pontificating to anyone over the Paris atrocities. He was an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq War.

    Royal United Services Institute study, ‘Wars in Peace’ (2014) : interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq judged to have been “strategic failures”. There “is no longer any serious disagreement” that Britain’s role in the Iraq War served to channel and increase the radicalisation of young Muslims in the UK.

  16. Hoss Mackintosh says:

    PARP!
    FTTT…
    FTTT.

  17. Jim Graham says:

    Game, set and match to Rev Stu.

  18. ronnie anderson says:

    Where,s John Smearton, get him tae sort them out, & he,ll certainly put a big dent in the Tuba too.

  19. Petra says:

    Is this all he does now? Doesn’t he have a regular ‘job’ anymore? Maybe he should join his pal, the globe-trotting peacemaker Jim Murphy (following in Blairs .. his Masters footsteps), in Central Asia … last heard of somewhere in the Caucasus Mountains. Then again maybe that’s not such a great idea as between them they could ignite WW111.

    O/T

    Some interesting data:

    Who Is ISIS and Why They are Rich

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfZzOLejYnY#t=64

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/15/french-security-left-blind-during-paris-attacks-2/

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/15/france-funded-syrian-rebels-aka-radical-isis-terrorists-to-overthrow-assad/

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151116/1030199114/isil-financing-g20-putin.html

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html

    http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/stop-the-war-statement-condemns-the-terrorist-atrocity-in-paris-on-13-november-2015

  20. Iain More says:

    Scum calls scum scum!

  21. Marco McGinty says:

    I still think Blair could be a secret lovechild of Ann Widdecombe and Alistair Carmichael.

    The spawn of a blue Tory and a yellow Tory that found himself in the red Tories, is always going to be professional liar and hypocrite.

  22. Sandy Henderson says:

    Anyone looked at Ian Gray’s twitter last night. Trying to make political gain out of the Paris atrocity. Gutter-snipe.

  23. Marco McGinty says:

    @Jim Morris
    “BBC2 three hours of news this afternoon to crank up the propaganda and rhetoric to justify bombing more civilians and civilisations back into the stone age.”

    It’s been non-stop since the attacks, even though as far as I can gather, there is no definitive proof that this has anything to do with Syria. Nevertheless, it’s been Syria this, Syria that, Syria something else, Syria bad, Syria terrible, until the state-sponsored media has managed to brainwash the people that Syrians are to blame for all of the world’s ills. It’s Iraq all over again.

    Now perhaps I’m thinking too much into this, but I do have a real problem with the Syrian passport that was “found”.

    I’m quite sure many of the refugees would not be caring if they had their passports or not when they were scrambling onto boats to flee bombings and persecution, not knowing if they would even make it to safety.

    Likewise, would a terrorist, pretending to be a refugee, knowing that he is going to a foreign land to commit an act of terrorism, bring a passport with him? And once he had set off to commit that highly orchestrated act of terror, ensure that he had his passport on him when he blew himself up?

    Apologies if this has already been discussed on the site in the previous day or two.

  24. john king says:

    Calum McKay
    “The inevitable is that Bliar McDougall will join his pal Alastair in the house of lords for services rendered to democracy.”

    He’ll like that,
    I hear the accoustics are excellent in the HoL,
    they’ll need to widen the doors though. 😉

  25. Macart says:

    Carling doesn’t do irony or hypocrisy, but if it did?

  26. Macart says:

    (sigh) Carling, Carlsberg, whatever.

    You get the jist.

    The man is a hypocrite.

  27. Clootie says:

    Macart

    Have you been on the “Carling”?

  28. Iain says:

    I have noticed that all the daily mail readers and all the daily record readers have a really negative view of the world and everyone in it. I suppose the daily diet of negativity must have a corrosive effect on the the mind and outlook of them. They should have a health warning on them, the same as cigarettes and booze.

  29. woosie says:

    So that’s what B McD does for a living!

    Saw May at HOC yesterday slapping down SNP MP for having the temerity to call for more troops/police on the ground in uk, and scrap trident.

    Apparently we can nuke ISIS now!

  30. jimnarlene says:

    More moronic, than ironic.

  31. peekay says:

    john king says:
    He’ll like that,
    I hear the accoustics are excellent in the HoL,
    they’ll need to widen the doors though.

    It’s the poor wee Stoats I feel sorry for. McDougall being ennobled is a one-way ticket to the endangered species list for them!

  32. Petra says:

    Is this all he does now? Twitter away? Doesn’t he have a ‘regular job’ anymore? Maybe he should join his pal, the globe-trotting peacemaker Jim Murphy, (following in Blairs .. his Masters footsteps), in Central Asia … last heard of somewhere in the Caucasus Mountains, on the Russian border Mmmh, shouting from an Irn Bru crate. Then again maybe that’s not such a good idea as between them they could ignite WW111.

    On another note I hope the Syrian refugees are given a GREAT welcome at Glasgow Airport today.

  33. Dr Jim says:

    Alex Bell @ Daily Record

    Money certainly can buy you anything these days

    How much would it take to turn you against your country
    History demonstrates for the people who do sell out it never quite works out the way they’d hoped

    You have to go through your life bumping into folk from time to time who’ll have a long memory (I will)

  34. Morgatron says:

    Why is this failed clown still trying to be relevant. Is there anybody there? Hypocritical lardy loser.

  35. Petra says:

    O/T

    I hear that a Scot was badly injured in Paris and is in a coma. Prayers for him, for those who are suffering from this particular atrocity and of course the hundreds of thousands / millions around the World who are afflicted too.

    Some interesting links:

    “Chunky Mark Will you Shoot to Kill?” Jeremy Corbyn

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWzlsVqLI6s

    Who Is ISIS and Why They are Rich

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfZzOLejYnY#t=64

    ‘French Security Left Blind During Paris Attacks ……..

    ‘Massive cyber attack on French systems 48 hours prior to and during the Paris attacks. Among other things, the attack took down the French mobile data network and blinded police surveillance.’

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/15/french-security-left-blind-during-paris-attacks-2/

    ‘France funded Syrian Rebels, AKA Radical ISIS Terrorists, To Overthrow Assad’

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/15/france-funded-syrian-rebels-aka-radical-isis-terrorists-to-overthrow-assad/

    ‘ISIL Financed by 40 Countries, Including G20 Member States …..’

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151116/1030199114/isil-financing-g20-putin.html#ixzz3rjI68nVh

    ‘Airbus 321 in the Sinaï – only one hypothesis remains’

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html

  36. Geoff Huijer says:

    Just like the jobs that were ‘safer’ with the UK…

  37. Macart says:

    @Clootie

    Pre coffee posting.

  38. mealer says:

    How do you spell hipocracy?
    Anyway,I think the subjects of security and terrorism should be discussed with regard to the EU referendum.Mr Farage seeks to make some political capital out of the Paris outrage.Thats just the kind of him,but his general point is a fair one for debate.How would a UK outside the EU become more secure against terrorism?

    The best way to protect yourself against terrorism is to stop creating terrorists.I think leaving the EU will lead to closer military links with USA.That would lead to more animosity and more terror.

  39. DerekM says:

    More like new world irony chumpion.

  40. Kennedy says:

    A yes vote would mean wastemonster could not afford to fund terror, ergo no retaliation attacks.

    Terror on Syria, Iraq, Lybia, etc = good
    Terror on UK = bad

  41. Ruby says:

    Kennedy says:
    17 November, 2015 at 7:57 am

    Terror on Syria, Iraq, Lybia, etc = good
    Terror on UK = bad

    Ruby replies

    http://tinyurl.com/qehgmet

    I’ve learned to hate Russians
    All through my whole life
    If another war comes
    It’s them we must fight
    To hate them and fear them
    To run and to hide
    And accept it all bravely
    With God on my side.

    But now we got weapons
    Of the chemical dust
    If fire them we’re forced to
    Then fire them we must
    One push of the button
    And a shot the world wide
    And you never ask questions
    When God’s on your side.

  42. Arabs for Independence says:

    Not only are we ‘too poor, too wee and too stupid’ it appears we are also too combustible, too ignitable and too inflammable – thank god London protects us.

  43. Dr Jim @ 7.03.
    I would think money always could buy you almost anything Jim. But these tractors will eventually get their comeuppance, and future generations of Scots will wonder why it took us so long to embrace independence.

  44. Capella says:

    Never knowingly underspun.

  45. The Man in the Jar says:

    Well with “friends” like this who needs tractors?

    “Former Salmond advisor says current case for Scots independence is dead”

    This from the BBC

    https://archive.is/XMDBd

  46. David MacGille-Mhuire says:

    Mac the Mouth aka “Fats” McDougall – a basking Blairite, over-weighted, baby shark harpoons himself, again.

    None too bright and certainly without moral compass this cruising offence to predatory sharkdom who eat when they can.

    He gorges himself on the vulnerable at vulgar, conscience-less passing of will.

    Is he, by any chance, related to “Hammerhead” Cameron on the other side of the blanket?

    Probably given BritLab are the Brit Tories bastard child as evidenced by their political DNA treacherous

    Send him to Syria or where-ever else his imperialist masters and mistresses are bombing the fcuk out of.

  47. Almannysbunnet says:

    Ach well whatever Cameron decides on Europe inout I’m sure he can count on his pal Nick to let us know what to do. In a completely unbiased way of course.

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/anger-at-bbc-bias-as-meetings-between-david-cameron-and-nick-robinson-meetings-are-revealed.10086

  48. robertknight says:

    I confess I may have just soiled myself laughing so hard…

  49. Keith Hynd says:

    Took his pal Cammy less time than that to talk about bombing!

    Tammy wants his Rambo moment just like Blair and Thatcher before.

  50. heedtracker says:

    Should be interesting to see if the horrible and base campaign is a successful as this ghastly hypocrite’s even worse Project Fear.

    Its going to expose once more just how low establishment UK can sink, all over again. When the queen makes creepy threats in a church car park and BBC broadcast it across teamGB, they’re there.

  51. Tony Little says:

    O/T Hope it’s not too soon, but new article about decline of Scottish MSM Titles. http://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2015/08/scots-newspaper-sales-take-further-hit/

    Scotsman below 25,000.

  52. Ruby says:

    Anyone know anything about David Maddox? It seems he’s leaving The Scotsman I was wondering where he’s off to.

    Re Alex Bell I think the man is desperate for publicity. His crowd funding efforts are not going too well.

  53. Hugh Barclay says:

    I can think of many names for BM but I’ll just stick to the one. Arsehole!

  54. Macart says:

    @TMITJ

    It appears the fella is a ‘former’ advisor for a reason. Naturally the likes of Bailie and Rennie would have a comment, but what is the opinion of a pair of opportunist fibbers worth? (shrugs)

  55. heedtracker says:

    The whole lot of them are grotesque hypocrites

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/the-guardian-view-on-the-paris-attacks-amid-the-grief-we-need-to-hold-firm-to-the-values-that-make-us-who-we-are

    We must defend our values says this bunch. Same outfit that gave us last year

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/salmondbell.jpg

    If they were anything like what this “we” UK values pretence suggests, they’d have at least tried to stop Bush.

    Not a fucking UKOK chance.

  56. cearc says:

    The Man in the Jar,

    ‘Well with “friends” like this who needs tractors?’

    You think he’d look well harnessed to a plough?

  57. galamcennalath says:

    Nature or nurture?

    Born without an irony gene, or just developed into a lying scumbag?

  58. caz-m says:

    O/T

    Anyone else get the feeling that BBC Scotland are trying to stir up feelings of racial hatred towards the Syrians that are landing in Scotland today?

    BBC Scotland’s tone seems to be verging on something that Nigel Farage would say.

    I am wondering if they want it to go “t*t’s up” because the SNP are at the forefront of offering these Syrian refugees a safe haven.

  59. heedtracker says:

    In the above rancid The Graun view on Paris attacks, these astonishing hypocrites and liars leave out the UK from the Iraq war, using “US and its allies” instead.

    “What’s more, rhetoric of that hue has a recent and unhappy history. In 2001, George W Bush similarly hailed 9/11 as a declaration of war. But the rubric of war, with its implied permission for the most extreme measures, saw the US and its allies make several disastrous decisions.

    Their impact is felt even now, nearly 15 years later. That category surely includes the forced collapse of Iraq and the subsequent incubation of Isis itself.”

    Wiki on Iraq war 2003

    “Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from 19 March to 9 April 2003. These were the United States (148,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194)”

    A lot of countries lie about themselves but none does it more blatantly than establishment UK.

  60. farnorthdavie says:

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!

    Do BMc and his sort not keep some record of what they or the other ‘flip’ wits in their various parties have spouted previously.

    They just come out with whatever will make them look smart at the time; they are dumb, shallow, hypocrites who need to be publicly humiliated – let’s hope May 2015 shafts them good and proper.

    Enjoy the rest of the week folks.

  61. Grouse Beater says:

    I wonder what will be put on McDougall’s tombstone.

    ‘Darling was my darling’
    ‘Scotia forfend’
    ‘Here lies a liar’

  62. MrObycyek says:

    The elephant in the room has always been Saudia Arabia. You cannot tackle ISIS, or indeed terrorism in general, without dealing with Saudia Arabia. Can we expect some action to be taken against them some time soon preferably before they destroy Yemen?

    America and the UK bends over backwards for countries like Saudia Arabia and Israel and it makes me sick. I have no doubt an independent Scotland would go down a different route. Scotland could really light the way for others to follow on the world stage.

  63. galamcennalath says:

    OT Mail cartoon. Straight out of 1930’s Germany ….

    https://archive.is/QfyXy

  64. Donnywho says:

    To put this into perspective, when the bombing of the twin towers was being planned what outcome would the Islamic terrorists have planned and hoped for?

    Sure the distruction of an American icon of capitalism. But what more, what would they hope to achieve when the dust settled.

    They certainly would have hoped for retaliation and thus the further radicalisation of Muslims. They would hope for a massive influx of recruits. Invasion of Muslim countries would be a bonus especially if you continue with occupation and a puppet western government. If you could chose any single Muslim state you would like them to choose one with a history of resistance to a superpower.

    Long term aims would be the destabilisation of “secular” states and the establishment of fundamentalist Muslim states in their stead.

    So one simple question WHO IS WINNING?

  65. Donnywho says:

    That mail cartoon is probably prosecutable under race law. Filthy

  66. dakk says:

    MacDougall can put this trophy on the mantelpiece beside his award for North Britain’s best unemployed tuba player,or whatever it was you dubbed him.

    Nothing succeeds like success eh.Some guys just get it all.

  67. galamcennalath says:

    Donnywho says:
    “when the bombing of the twin towers was being planned what outcome would the Islamic terrorists have planned and hoped for?”

    I think the outcome is far beyond anything they might have dreamt of.

    At that point there was no Islamic AQ type fundimentalists in Iraq or Syria. The state of those two countries now is a direct result of the US/UK invasion of Iraq. And, that invasion was (in some perverse way only Blair and Bush understand) a consequence of 9/11.

  68. Bob Mack says:

    I shake my head in disbelief at the Daily Mail cartoon.Nazi propoganda straight out of the film about the Lodz ghetto in Poland,where Jews were depicted as a rat swarm.

    These people call us in the SNP Nazis,but come up with stuff like this for public broadcast. I feel unclean even looking at it. I know who are the Nazis all right,and it is not the SNP.

    Get us away from these Imperialists at all costs.

  69. Grouse Beater says:

    Always worth airing: http://wp.me/p4fd9j-rr

  70. Al Dossary says:

    And what exactly to do with Saudi Arabia ?

    They have their own problems. The town’s of Safwa, Qatif and Saihat that I pass every day have police roadblocks at all entry points due to the fact that Daesch have been attacking the Shia community oxcasionally for the last year (perhaps around 100 dead since I can over last year).

    The Najranis close to the border with Yemen have also suffered recently.

    Strange that no one ever seems to mention the one state that has most to gain from this conflict -the Israelis, especially since the US does nothing without their consultance in the Middle East.

    Israel are hardly a poor country yet the US gives the some $3Billion “aid” yearly in the form of military support. And that is just the openly acknowledged amount.
    There are something like 14 Islamist sects in KSA – if they are non Sunni then they are a legitimate target in the eyes of these lunatics.

  71. donnywho says:

    galamcennalath

    I agree, i think the terrorists got everything they wished for… and then the west kept “giving”.

    I a sure their long term aims are as i set out, but i do not think they envisaged the route it has taken, or the distance it had run.

    To quote Napoleon never interrupt a general who is making a mistake, sadly we are making the same mistake again and again and again.

  72. Robert Peffers says:

    @The Man in the Jar says: 17 November, 2015 at 9:02 am:

    “Former Salmond advisor says current case for Scots independence is dead”

    Sheesh! The BBC report carries this little snippet from the, “Former Salmond Advisor”, and it explains a lot :-

    “Mr Bell suggested Scotland’s long-serving Finance Secretary John Swinney would be “unfit for the job” if he does not understand these obstacles “so we must assume these bright people know that the old model, once optimistic, is now dead”.Mr Bell went on: “The fact is a gap exists – Scotland does not earn enough to pay for its current level of spending. Once you accept that, you acknowledge that the SNP’s model is broken.”

    (Emphasis mine).

    This is the glaringly obvious flaw in, “The Dark Side’s”, logic. The bland assumption that an independent Scotland would continue with the current level of spending imposed by Westminster. The whole point of independence is to NOT continue with Westminster’s imposed crazy economics policies.

    First of all we would not be supporting either Trident, or the crazy levels of spending required to, “punch above our weight”.

    Nor would an independent Scotland be required to meet the present per capita share of the UK debt repayment we had no part in running up.

    Added to all that we would actually get 100% of the 95% of oil & gas revenues that exist in Scottish Territorial waters. We presently get nothing whatsoever of that revenue as it is claimed by the UK as revenue from, “Extra-Regio-Territories”, and 100% of it goes directly to Westminster.

    We do not even get the fabled 8.4% they mention as, “Scotland’s per capita share”, as that particular figure is only used to produce statistical figures for other estimates. We do not actually get the 8.4% just only get credited with it for producing more fake statistics.

    I could mention other nice little Westminster earners that never get mentioned that would accrue to an Independent Scotland but will mention a couple of examples.

    All court, and on-the-spot fines, imposed in Scotland go directly to the UK treasury. The Scottish Crown Estate profits would remain in Scotland. The list is endless of the Scottish things Westminster grabs for itself but they will not get when we take our independence.

  73. Bob Mack says:

    For as long as history has been recorded,the human condition has been for the majority to be led into conflict by the minority.
    England has been at the forefront of this for centuries,and succeeded in capturing half the world.
    Other European states have also regularly tried to expand their borders,whilst convincing their populations it was against an evil and terrible foe. France ,Germany Spain, Austria, and many more have all been involved at one time or another.

    We see the same thing happening today in the Middle East,with the territorial ambitions of governments and nations far removed from the geographical area ,all wanting a slice of the wealth, or a foothold in an important region strategically, in which they can further their own countries interests.
    The welfare of the inhabitants who live there is unimportant.They are collateral damage in the bigger game.

    The sad thing is that the populations in the region are all being used and manipulated by other forces.Pawns in a game.

    This also applies to Israel, who are being just as manipulated by the US just as much as is Syria by Russia.
    When will they learn?

  74. Robert Peffers says:

    @Ruby says: 17 November, 2015 at 9:34 am:

    “Anyone know anything about David Maddox? It seems he’s leaving The Scotsman I was wondering where he’s off to.”

    No idea and couldn’t care less.

    “Re Alex Bell I think the man is desperate for publicity. His crowd funding efforts are not going too well.”

    Whatever it is, it is of little interest. I have already posted the very obvious flaw in his preposterous claims.

    He does the usual transparent thing of comparing an independent Scotland’s economic way forward as being exactly that of the present Westminster model.

    The whole point of independence is to NOT follow the Westminster policies in any way. It is thus the argument of an idiot to conclude Scotland would continue, for example, sending 100% of the 95% of oil & gas revenues down to Westminster or the 1,001 other nice little earners that Westminster currently enjoys from Scotland’s bounty.

  75. Jim Lynch says:

    In all the comment about refugees and terrorists there is little mention that ISIS kills Muslims, and the refugees are fleeing from death and oppression at their hands.

  76. MrObycyek says:

    @Al Dossary

    You give funding and weapons to nutters and they will eventually end up back at your own doorstep. I believe it is called Blowback. Thanks for the information from over there and please stay safe Al Dossary. We live in dangerous times.

    It was terrible what happened to all those poor people killed in France but what about all the people that die in Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and Yemen? Who mourns them? Where is their minute of silence? As Bill Hicks once said: Love all the people.

  77. Doug McG says:

    Robert Peffers , I for one would be interested in a list of the 1001 ways Westminster gets its earners , do them 20 at a time to keep it digestable ,please.

  78. K1 says:

    Here’s a wee article about the imbalance of Scotland’s revenues, wherein Westminster has received the lion’s share of what Scotland raises and the little that Scotland receives back Doug. Pre Oil.

    Whilst all the while for decades being brainwashed into believing we are subsidised by the beneficent England:

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-historical-debt/

  79. Robert Peffers says:

    @galamcennalath says: 17 November, 2015 at 9:50 am:

    “Born without an irony gene, or just developed into a lying scumbag?”

    More like Winnie the Pooh, I think.

    Besides the obvious pooh, reference the character is acknowledged by his friends as. “a bear of little consequence”, and of, “having no brain”.

  80. scott says:

    O/T.
    I see that Osborne has agreed a 6% yearly cut to the Scottish Office another union dividend these b******* don’t half like to rub it in.

  81. It’s strange how the same names keep coming up throughout Scottish history as being against their own country I mean the Macdougalls against Bruce the Campbell’s and Munro s against Prince Charlie and Scotland at Culloden Imean we had Munro travel and we have Ming Alastair and Nicky Campbell all against Scottish freedom but thank goodness we have Stuart Campbell on our side a Bonnie fighter

  82. Andy Fletcher says:

    O/T
    This is a response to Ofcom on BBC Broadcasting from a Scottish number crunching perspective which is very damning. It doesn’t address the political bias of what is broadcast so much as itemise criminal neglect by comparison with available English national, regional and local broadcasting in terms of investment and output.

    http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/psb/responses/mceihil_annex.pdf

  83. Petra says:

    Jo Coburn, Daily Politics, talking to one of her reporters standing outside Glasgow Airport … large ‘Glasgow Airport’ sign behind him. He said that he’d been talking to people in the airport who had complained about the Syrian refugees coming re. schools, hospitals being overstretched in Scotland. Some concerned in light of what’s happened in France. No mention of a Scottish welcome. Also managed to get his bit in about 1000 refugees arriving before Christmas with Scotland taking one third of them.

    I’ll welcome these poor people with open arms but hope that Scotland is not being used by Westminster …. (people turning against the SNP) …. that rUK take their fair share which is 90%, especially as they have been main players in creating this situation.

  84. Bob Mack says:

    Talk of boots on the ground at Westminster.We learn nothing.

  85. Cuilean says:

    What is the point of Blair McDougall?

  86. Chitterinlicht says:

    I increasingly believe i live in a parallel universe to people like Blair. Its the only explanation to such hypocrisy.

    Or, if you assume he knows what he is doing, he is a very nasty piece of work.

  87. Jack Murphy says:

    OT completely—-I became very angry yesterday evening during the BBC 10pm News. [I ration myself to one per month].
    The Newsreader was asking a BBC journalist at Westminster about the Common’s arithmetic should Cameron decide to significantly increase the UK’s attacks on Syria.
    The ‘conversation’ between the BBC Newsroom and the Westminster ‘journalist’ was exclusively on the Labour position/arithmetic.
    Not a mention of Great Britain’s third largest political party!!!!
    “Don’t mention the War” becomes,”Don’t mention the SNP”.

    Good old BBC—–the channel you can trust—–NOT ! 🙁

    I’m cancelling my once monthly viewing of BBC Broadcasting House AND BBC Pacific Quay. They are both a figure of fun.

  88. heedtracker says:

    Jo Coburn, Daily Politics, talking to one of her reporters standing outside Glasgow Airport

    And another day of BBC politics complete shut it down on SNP tv shows. Airbrushed out of all of their coverage but in Scotland, BBC says Vote new SLabour business as usual.

    14 minutes in, detailed report/detailed SLab propaganda. Id prefer to hear Gordon Brown’s opinion on his UKOK foreign policy and its consequences but that’s never going to happen via our chums in Pacific Quay. Maybe the Chilcot report might shed some light on Crash Gordon’s conduct and then never get reported Scotland.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06p3vrm/reporting-scotland-16112015

  89. cirsium says:

    @K1, 12.14 Thanks for that link to the historic figures

    @James Waldie – see K1’s comment at 12.14 with the link to the Rev’s post on Westminster’s extraction of revenue from Scotland

  90. CameronB Brodie says:

    Re. the Paris atrocity. It’s just my nature but I can’t help asking who benefits? Don’t forget Operation Gladio!

    French warplanes have already attacked the capital of the Islamic State in Raqqa, Syria. Although the aerial assault was largely symbolic, the operation is a harbinger of what is to come. There is talk that France will demand NATO action, invoking Article 5, which states an “armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all.” With the precedent set by the United States when it invoked Article 5 in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, a French-led NATO action against the Islamic State may be only a matter of time and scale.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/16/a-grunts-reaction-to-the-paris-attacks-lets-not-make-another-failed-case-study/

    Remember, Deash would not have existed without western intervention in the region.

    … there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime….

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html

    Re. Blair McDougall. Words fail me.

  91. ArtyHetty says:

    Re;petra@12.53pm

    The ebc will milk the refugees in Scotland for all it’s worth as a negative, self destruct, SNP baaaddd for all it’s worth. They are just vying for any kind of trouble in Scotland because they couldn’t manage to create violence and the sort of divide they wanted during the Indy ref.

    Their target audience is the far right and the ignoramuses south of the border who, not all but many like my friends, (highly educated) compared Scotland to Syria and calling for refugees to be ‘taken to another muslim country’. I am still shocked at that kind of talk and the fact they also said that Scotland will become a ‘fascist state’.

    Do they know they are actually living on the edge of fascism and it ain’t anything to do with their hated snp, no it’s westmonster, unionist extremism.

  92. Valerie says:

    I may be wrong, but there have been two racist incidents in the last 48 hours, and I wonder if they are orchestrated.

    A couple closing up their carry out shop in Methil, attacked, and this morning a fire set in a multi cultural centre in Bishopbriggs.

    Anyone else notice a lot of politicians talking warmly of Putin? They can.no longer ignore Putin is making good headway in the airstrikes. Hameron has just mentioned chatting to him!

  93. Petra says:

    David Cameron (British Empire) is determined to bomb Syria to save face no doubt and use up his stockpile of weapons. Syria has been bombed to smithereens by numerous countries for over a year now and they still haven’t managed to get rid of Daesh. It’s clear that War from the air isn’t working so why on earth keep this up?

    Assad has said constantly that he is open to talks. Why don’t they get round the table with him and discuss democratic elections taking place when they eventually restabilise the Country?

    Why is the US (two-facedly) working with Turkey in hammering the Kurds; the only group with boots on the ground?

    Why is no one in talks with Saudi, and other countries in the region, to discuss them using their troops to deal with Daesh?

    Well we all know what’s going on. They want to get their hands on Syria’s resources, to prevent them running their own gas / oil lines / pipes and to control routes between Israel and the Middle East (just some of the nefarious reasons).

    Saudi of course has it’s own not so hidden agenda.

    If they don’t try to do something constructive soon we’ll be heading for World War 3.

  94. ArtyHetty says:

    O/T sorry

    Just another example of how very bettertgetha we really are. Scotland lottery cash to be raided by ukok, 40%, quite a wack considering many many essential charities will just have to shut their doors due to this. Again, thanks, no voters.
    http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/stop-perverse-tory-lottery-cash-grab

    I still need to know how to archive links, anyone? thnks.

  95. heedtracker says:

    David Cameron (British Empire) is determined to bomb Syria to save face no doubt and use up his stockpile of weapons

    RAF is at war in Iraq at present. Why not drop some bombs in Syria too?

    Andrew Neil ?@afneil 26m26 minutes ago
    David Cameron has said that he is to set out a “comprehensive strategy” for dealing with Islamic State, including air strikes on Syria.
    16 retweets 10 likes
    Reply Retweet 16
    Like 10
    More
    Andrew Neil ?@afneil 1h1 hour ago
    RAF Tornado fighter bombers have attacked a large group of more than 30 Islamic State terrorists attacking Kurdish forces in northern Iraq
    65 retweets 47 likes
    Reply Retweet 65
    Like 47

    Ligger’s hair colouring changes, pending how the UK’s wars are going.

  96. Valerie says:

    Just further to my comments about Putin…

    The Syria UN Ambassador has reported that approximately 1M Syrians are returning as a result of feeling more supported by the Russian airstrikes.

    You really do wonder if Putin is embarrassing US and UK, and when the world is going to ask just wtf has been going on, and why terrorists are driving hummvees.

  97. Nana says:

    @Artyhetty

    Highlight the article title and paste in the ‘my url is alive’ box. Click save the page.

    http://archive.is/

  98. Robert Peffers says:

    Doug McG says: 17 November, 2015 at 12:01 pm:

    “Robert Peffers , I for one would be interested in a list of the 1001 ways Westminster gets its earners , do them 20 at a time to keep it digestable ,please.”

    Have you any idea just how convoluted that task is, Doug?

    I do regularly post them as they rear their ugly heads above the parapet but listing them in any kind of way is very difficult to do. However here is another couple for the record.

    Grid Connection Charges. Now bear in mind that Scotland exported over 26% of her generated capacity over the past year and that was directly to England and across the Irish Sea to N.I.

    The National Grid imposes variable Grid Connection Charges upon the generating companies dependant upon their distance from the main population centres a.k.a. London.

    Thing is these not only charge the generators for adding power to the grid but they actually subsidise those closer to London.

    For example, a generator company in Peterhead, pays £20 per kw for a grid connection but a London-based generator is subsidised by £3 per kw. It is estimated that Scottish based companies currently pay £100 million more than they should as a result. Scotland provides 12% of the UK energy but is charged 40% of the UK’s transmission costs.

    The still further North generators from Peterhead are even more overcharged by the grid and they are the best non-renewable sources in Europe.

    Here’s another few never mentioned UK benefits. All Road tax goes south as does driving Licence charges. Passports, Road Fuel Duty, Alcohol Duty, Betting tax, Aggregates Levy, Scottish Crown Estate profits. Et Al.

    Believe it or not years ago, when I was tracking down these hidden UK benefits, I had a look at companies who only did business in Scotland but had a registered Head Office, (often only an accommodation address with a business that takes phone messages and forwards PO Box mail), and there among the London Registered companies was Dunfermline Athletic FC, (they were then in the Scottish top league).

    It turns out, at current prices, (I kid you not), £16.99 will get yourself set up as a London based registered company. Thus your tax, profits and so on are statistically accounted by the UK as London.

    As I said the list is endless and just when you think you are near the end of the list another door opens and the contents of that cupboard spill out on the floor.

    Everywhere you turn there is yet another nice little UK earner at Scotland’s expense. Yet I have never found a single one that works the other way round.

    Have a wee read at Niall Aslan’s, “The Great Obfuscation”. The only reference I could find in a hurry was from the Seed of the Gael website but that should not put you off reading the contents of the article. Niall is a forensic accountant and he was the first to expose the lies of the GERS figures.

    http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.org/obfuscation.htm

  99. CameronB Brodie says:

    Petra
    Assad was in the process of democratising Syria before the western-backed Death Squads were sent in to stir up revolution.

    Here’s Naom Chomsky reviewing Negroponte’s previous gigs.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/24/noam_chomsky_on_john_negropontes_career

  100. ArtyHetty says:

    Re; Nana@1.50pm

    Thanks thats great, will do that next time.

    O/T
    Must get on engraving Maxima de Acuna, Peruvian farmer, though I had said Argentian, doh! Her farm sits on gold deposits, unfortunately for her, bit like our oil. Wonder if the Barite mine will go ahead in Aberfeldy for ukoks oil and gas for next 50 years. Hmm.

  101. schrodingers cat says:

    Why is no one in talks with Saudi, and other countries in the region, to discuss them using their troops to deal with Daesh?

    Saudi, the gulf states, the US and the UK have been directly funding, arming and training

    Al Nusra and Jaysh al Islam

    both are wahhabist sunni jihadist groups and as such, are refered to by all non wahhabist groups (including the sunni kurds) as….. you guessed it….Daesh

    this is their take on Paris….

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/al-nusra-front-back-attacks-paris-despite-opposition-islamic-state-976490550

    of course Cameron and the uk msm continue to refer to everyone now as Syrian terrorists, hoping that people will forget or not notice that these terrorist are the same people that Cameron was up until a few months ago, funding, arming and training.

    then again, maybe these names are too hard to pronounce, their differences too esoteric to consider, easier to just call them all muslim.

    that’s what britain first/daily mail/bbc do and it gives them the added bonus of being able to insult and treat all muslims as terrorists

  102. Ken500 says:

    Saudi does not have universal suffrage. The most despot, absolute monarchy in the world. The people have no rights. US/UK France etc tolerate and fund an apartheid regime which should not be tolerated in the West.

  103. Ken500 says:

    Putin suggested talk with the Assad regime to help solve the crisis and extend democratic efforts. The West refused. The UK/US and France have been illegally bombing Syria/Middle East for years. They have caused the migration crisis. The biggest migration crisis since 11WW. They are now supplying Middle Eastern countries with Nuclear. Middle East countries which have enough Oil and sun for fuel and energy. The West will cause a total world catastrophe.

  104. Ken500 says:

    In the 1950’s Churchill caused unrest in Iran and took all their Oil. CIA/M15 caused unrest and social trouble. The Iran PM was discredited by lies and deceit and put in jail. The deposed Shad was reinstated, causing deprivation, poverty and deaths. The West supported and armed Iraq in the Iran /Iraqi War. They encouraged Saddam to invade Iran. The West killed Saddam. The West is now supplying Iran with nuclear.

    Nuclear waste is being dumped in Ethiopia.

  105. Ruby says:

    Robert Peffers says:
    17 November, 2015 at 11:49 am
    @Ruby says: 17 November, 2015 at 9:34 am:

    “Anyone know anything about David Maddox? It seems he’s leaving The Scotsman I was wondering where he’s off to.”

    No idea and couldn’t care less.

    “Re Alex Bell I think the man is desperate for publicity. His crowd funding efforts are not going too well.”

    Whatever it is, it is of little interest.

    Ruby replies

    Why on earth did you bother replying to my post?

    Were you just being a smart ass?

  106. cirsium says:

    @Tam Jardine, 11.52
    “I can’t see how force alone can neutralise ISIS”

    I agree. The money supply has to be cut off
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/who-funding-isis/ri11056

    Was this the Capitaine Renault moment for the US (as in ” I am shocked, shocked to find out that the convoy transporting stolen oil is so big, it can be seen from satellites”)?
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-exposes-g20s-financial-ties-isis-during-antalya-summit/ri11199

  107. Nana says:

    @cirsium

    I wonder why Senator John McCain appears in cosy photos so often with the leader of isis and isis fighters.

    If you have not seen any google McCain and leader of isis.

    I think Robin Cook knew the answer.

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/john-mccain-organiser-of-regime-change.html

    Also thanks for alerting me to the escobar article yesterday.

  108. Onwards says:

    The SNP has to judge this situation in Syria very carefully.
    Regardless of Iraq, and the situation that caused all this, and all the hypocrisy with Israel, Saudi Arabia etc.

    The reality is that IS/Daesh are seen as fanatical scum by most people. They promote an extremist version of Islam, and want to spread terror throughout Europe. Paris was a turning point in the attitude of many people.

    If there is a vote for airstrikes, maybe it should be a free vote. The worst situation would be for an SNP block vote to prevent it, or to be the only ones voting against it.
    Especially if we ever get hit with a similar terrorist attack.

    It seems like there is high public support for airstrikes, if not troops. Whatever happens it seems important to get moderate muslim countries involved also.

  109. Nana says:

    No mention of Putin’s outing of isis financing yesterday. Well they have an agenda, make more weapons, sell more weapons, kill more people and soldiers and keep war going and going and

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-outed-isiss-g20-financiers-not-single-western-media-outlet-reported-it/ri11231

  110. Andrew McLean says:

    cirsium says:4:52

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

    this what you mean?

    We could talk all day, and I think we would all agree that this has been building for some time, IS did not develop in a vacuum.
    the problem is they want the west to attack as it suits their agenda, preferably by air, I don’t think they want the russians to invade as the west is easier to play. The Russians will want an excuse to expunge Afghanistan and their downed jet, IS are well trained but would be no match against the Russians. The Americans love regime change but if anyone is on the ground it will be them, either way this is going to get a lot worse very soon, as revenge usually hurts more!

    Our enemies enemy may be our friend but our friend may be our enemies friend and our friends might not be our friend after all !

  111. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Onwards at 5.20

    And what particularly will bombing areas of Syria and Iraq which are still the homes of many thousands of innocent people do apart from encouraging more terrorists. Or is it just revenge we are after not change or progress.

    Of course these are just brown people so they really don’t matter.

    Lets say a terrorist group moves into and takes control of parts of Glasgow. Would you support the bombing of Castlemilk or Drumchapel?

    I am not interested in being a member of an SNP that would sanction or support any more evil and stupid folly in the Middle East.

  112. Valerie says:

    Many commentators are calling for cool heads, and not to rush in to bomb Syria, where thousands still live.

    I read one analysis of how IS think, and it makes sense.

    They are not looking to take on the West per se, they seek to sow division where Muslims live peaceably, hence France makes a good target. When bombs are dropped in the Middle East, that is their recruitment drive revved up.

    Social media is going ape shit, one faction saying keep them out,bomb the lot, and others like me, trying to tell the knuckle draggers they are doing the terrorists work for them.

    I think there are a group in the middle, however, genuinely confused and fearful, due to corporate media, exploited by the revolting Daily Fail.

  113. Onwards says:

    @Dave McEwan Hill

    Is the world to sit back and watch while a bunch of religious fanatics carve out a state to export terror everywhere ?

    They attacked Paris not just because of involvement in the middle east, but because they say it was the western capital of “prostitution and vice”

    I don’t have a problem with targeted air strikes taking out training camps and the likes of Jihad John.

    And there is a danger the SNP ends up on the wrong side of public opinion on this one.
    It’s one thing to welcome genuine refugees, it’s another to turn a blind eye to the genuine dangers that extremists present.

    We also need to deal with the root causes.

  114. Alan Mackintosh says:

    Onwards, If you want to look at the root causes, then look at Saudi and Qatar who are funding Daesh. Look at who is buying their oil. Look at Turkey where injured Daesh fighters are treated. Again look at Turkey who are bombing the Kurdish Peshmerga, the only force which has been giving Daesh a doing. Look at US/UK/Israel who are playing The Great Game, destabilising middle east countries and supporting the players in trying to oust Assad.

  115. arthur thomson says:

    The SNP must stand against bombing in Syria. We must not be responsible for the killing and maiming of even more innocent Syrian men, women and children.

    Yes this will offend those in Scotland who think it is ok to go along with the xenophobia of the British state rather than seeking out the truth but that is a price we have to pay. Only those who are prepared to open their eyes and acquire some moral courage will ever take Scotland to independence. Of course their will be discomfort as the media turn on the SNP but that isn’t new.

  116. Petra says:

    @ Onwards says at 5:20 pm ”The SNP has to judge this situation in Syria very carefully. Regardless of Iraq, and the situation that caused all this, and all the hypocrisy with Israel, Saudi Arabia etc. The reality is that IS/Daesh are seen as fanatical scum by most people. They promote an extremist version of Islam, and want to spread terror throughout Europe. Paris was a turning point in the attitude of many people …….. And there is a danger the SNP ends up on the wrong side of public opinion on this one.”

    I get where you are coming from Onwards especially as so many people seem to have NO idea of what’s actually been going on. They just see Daesh for what they are … evil, psychopathic, demonic monsters that have to be totally exterminated and if the SNP don’t agree to strikes will become extremely unpopular.

    I would imagine that everyone who visits this site absolutely despises Daesh and can see that SNP credibility could be undermined, however we have to get back to the crux of the matter and that is should we …. our SNP MSPs … agree with Cameron’s proposals to bomb Syria …. because they are concerned that they will become unpopular / despised?

    We have to ask ourselves why Cameron wants to bomb Syria?

    What difference will it make as the US et al have blown the country to bits and still not broken Daesh? Russia is now involved and seems to have made more headway in a very short time in comparison to the aforementioned, which I find strange!

    Bombing on its own isn’t working. Someone will have to get masses of troops on the ground, surround and fight inroad, such as the Kurds have been doing. Rich, powerful Saudi Arabia comes to mind… aye right!

    Bombing and killing / maiming millions in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq and Syria has led to this hell on earth …. absolute hatred of the West Worldwide and of course the vacuum left in Iraq by Bush and Blair has afforded the extremists a means to unite, nurse their wrath and formulate their horrendous plans.

    The Chilcott Report should have been finalised years ago and Blair should have been standing in the Hague. The fact that the UK hasn’t dealt with this has contributed to this situation, imo. Sent out the message that THEIR dead, THEIR dead children, don’t count.

    AlL World leaders will have to sit round a table with Assad in an attempt to work this out / resolve the situation.

    Identification of who’s funding Daesh has to be established and stopped ASAP.

    The bottom line, for me, is that the UK should stay well away from Syria … bombing that is because we know they’ve been meddling there for quite some time.

    And you say ”Especially if we ever get hit with a similar terrorist attack.” I have my thoughts on this but don’t want to outline them on here.

  117. Petra says:

    Some great posts / links on here that show that people have a clear idea of what’s going on in the Middle East: as clear as is possible due to the profound complexity of the situation / (still) hidden agendas.

    @ CameronB Brodie says at 2:24 pm ”Petra Assad was in the process of democratising Syria before the western-backed Death Squads were sent in to stir up revolution. Here’s Naom Chomsky reviewing Negroponte’s previous gigs.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/24/noam_chomsky_on_john_negropontes_career

    Thanks for the excellent link Cameron. Information like this is of course being withheld (distorted) by the CorpMedia. I’m sure that Assad has been far from perfect as a leader and will have to answer for certain ‘activities’ that have taken place in Syria: If not him then his brother Maher al-Assad, Commander of the Republican Guard. However as far as I can make out the vast majority of Syrians back Assad. Strange too that we’ve had so much news coverage of fleeing refugees but no one seems to want to ask them who / what they are fleeing from (maybe they have asked / do know). I’m sure Daesh would be top of the list but who takes second place? US et al bombers or Assad?

    Some links:

    “We stand now for 30 seconds for French but all Syrian people killed and nobody stands for one second, you have to know this.”

    https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/syrian-coach-offers-more-support-assad-victory-160649040–sow.html

    Syria death toll now exceeds 210,000: rights group

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/07/us-mideast-crisis-toll-idUSKBN0LB0DY20150207#k0lZzbWedj2etLqb.97

    Why The US, UK, EU and Israel Want To Destroy Syria
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm

    Syria what is really going on and why

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4vD6JpJAFI

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/syria-is-peaceful.html

    Syria before and after the war 2015

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUKJdXBYDSg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLVHwxZV_ZI

  118. Foonurt says:

    Wull yoan Romans in Norse nivurr veezitit haunin oot geefts. Nor thoan Angles, urr yoan bad basturt Langshanks. Thoan Tudor erses wurrnae onnae betturr. In whit aboot Croamwull?

    Thank fuck fur Malcolm, soartin wurr boardurr ett yoan Battle ah Carham.

  119. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    Onwards at 7.21

    “I don’t have a problem with targeted air strikes taking out training camps and the likes of Jihad John.”

    Show me a targetted air strike with bombs that can tell the difference between terrorists and innocent civilians, mothers,wives children and I’ll pay attention to your post.
    Show me a civilised country that arbitrarily executes the accused without trial.
    Show me Bin Laden’s body in that faked up execution we all saw on the telly
    Even if Bin Laden had actually been there it would have been proper and civilised to detain him and put him on trial ( but that might have been mightily inconvenient considering what he had to tell about our friend Saudi Arabia)

    You didn’t answer my questions. Because the answers destroy your case

  120. Ken500 says:

    With £Billions worth of illegal surveillance and poverty and deprivation in the world, they couldn’t find Bin Laden for 10 years, if ever. Bin Laden was a CIA agent financed and funded by the US/West. Daresh is financed, armed and funded by the US/West. Israel an apartheid, thuggish State is finance and funded by US/West. Saudi is an Apartheid, despot monarchy funded by US/West. The US/West are Saudi mercenaries. The Middle Eastern assets/resources are being stolen by the West causing illegal death poverty and deprivation. Westminster is a corrupt, non democratic Institution which breaks the Law.

    Children now, do not know what a peaceful world is.

  121. Ken500 says:

    Russia suggest talks with Assad/Syria to bring about a diplomatic solution. The West refused.

    The SNP are not about ‘popularity’, they are about doing the right thing. They can afford to be, they are financed by their members.

  122. Ken500 says:

    Daresh fighters are treated in Israeli Hospitals, while Palestinian citizens are refused Hospital treatment and the vote. Saudi are funding Daesh and bombing Yemen, the US is supplying them with the weapons for profit while Americans citizens can’t afford medical treatment. A Russian, Neo Nazi immigrant holds the balance of power in the Israeli Administration. ‘Israel’ has broken major UN resolutions, with impunity.

    There are more US citizens killed by each other than by ‘terrorist’ attacks, every year. 30K US citizens kill each other every year with guns along with 6K with other weapons. 36K++ thousands died from drug overdoses. Millions are illegally killed by the US Administration.

  123. cirsium says:

    @Nana, 5.14pm, 17.11.15

    thanks for the aanirfan link – enlightening. I had seen the picture of John McCain talking to “Syrian Freedom Fighters” including the head of Daesh, al-Baghdadi, but did not know the background.

  124. Peter Macbeastie says:

    Onwards says ‘I don’t have a problem with targeted air strikes taking out training camps and the likes of Jihad John.’

    Aside from the obvious issues that no missile knows the difference between a Daesh fighter and non combatants I have another substantial problem with it.

    It is extrajudicial killing. We are told it is legal, and we are told it is justified because he was planning attacks on the UK. We are told all this, but never offered any evidence to prove the claims.

    In the shortest possible terms, that man was targetted in this way because the likelihood of him ever going through the judicial system for his crimes was remote. No other reason. The UK Government is at pains to make sure everyone is told ‘this is legal’ but of course we ignorant punters are not allowed to know WHY it’s legal which makes me think it almost certainly was not.

    Course, governments do bump people off like this, but they normally do it nice and quietly and don’t shoot their mouths off about it. This one is fascinating, because they’re very carefully making sure the world knows he was killed using UK intelligence released to the US to allow them to target him. Because they seem to be labouring under the misconception that this is in some way making them look good.



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