Images and stereotypes
Posted on
January 14, 2014 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Chapter 11 of “The Claim Of Scotland”.
Quote Of The Chapter:
“The troubles of Scotland arise partly from the rooted English conviction that Scotsmen are trying to be Englishmen and are not doing it very well. The English by their sheer numbers are in a position to put this right, and this they are only too willing to do.”
Why can’t we just accept Tory ideology like everyone else, eh?
Oh the conceit of them; we never assume that everyone else is trying to be Scottish, and failing miserably. does this maybe explain why the English seem so unable to understand Europe, none of them is trying to be English.
The English have always advocated freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
Aye, freedom to speak like an Englishman and to think like an Englishman.
I haven’t been reading any of this… but I did order a copy from the Edinburgh old Scottish book shop and expecting to get it later this week. :o)
At university I was acquainted with an English tory who regularly stated
“God is an Englishman”
Enjoy the self delusion.
Just received my copy of this book…the first quotation you read is from Sir Walter Scott, and it is as true today as when he wrote it in the 19th century…
“There has been in England a gradual and progressive system of assuming the management of affairs entirely and exclusively proper to Scotland, as if we were totally unworthy of having the management of our own concerns.”
Nothing has changed…nor will it for the better failing a Yes vote in September…
Is anybody else having issues opening the file
Malc
Yep, and Rev new comment link to rules looks to an old man like me computer language
“Is anybody else having issues opening the file”
Hmm, dunno why my upload site isn’t working. It’s still there, I can FTP to it no bother, but can’t get to it in a browser. Will investigate.
Just an observation – Having read this chapter I share the frustration evident in the posts above, but their tenor might justifiably be viewed by those less charitable as stereotypical chippy Scots bitching. That is to say, we may be supplying the opposition with a ready framework upon which to hang the caricature.
On the other hand, I think the changes in perception brought about by the coming of this referendum have accelerated the hardening of attitudes and responses to the increasingly overt racism toward Scots evident in the cybersphere, Scots awareness of it, and their sensitivity to it.
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Can anyone provide a website address so as one can purchase this fine book?
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DIDN’T I JUST SAY THAT?
Whilst working away in Norfolk a few years back I had the good fortune to bunk up in a very nice traditional English country house hotel – great place, fine hosts – full English breakfasts, Dover sole for tea, log fires and plenty of great company.
One local gent who spent his evenings propping up the bar, on hearing the Scottish accents indulged us night after night, seemingly unwittingly with his witty banter and overt racisim whereupon he repeatedly referred to us guests as Jocks and Scotties etc.
It was of great pride that we bit the bullet and let him blather on while swigging back the whisky, telling us all how Bells is such a great malt. None of us endeavoured to let on that Bells is in fact pishwater this side of the border, even though we were buying rounds of MacAllans and Gelnmorange, he still didn’t get the hint.
He just kept on swigging the auld gut rot he so especially admired completely unawares.
Some things never change.
Though a little OT, I thought I would share this comment from today’s Telegraph. Enjoy.
“Has 15yrs of devolution taught us nothing…..the more power you give the regions, the more they want.
Scotland is the prime example of this, a toxic mix of anti-English xenophobia, over bearing sense of self entitlement and a general chip on the shoulder, victim complex. It was/is a toxic mix and has brought us to where we are.
Not that they’ll vote to go for independence of course, get away from the rhetoric and the loud mouth cybernat footsoldiers, the average Scot knows which side their bread is buttered and so the UK will survive.
But the rest of us are going to have to continue to put up with their incessant whining about how hard done by they are….
More devolution is the last thing the UK needs…opportunistic power grabbing Salmond will just come along and cause trouble off the back of it.”
Albamac,
Any chance of posting more chapters on scotspot.net?
@CameronB
Maybe you could post him a link to this chapter, give him an edjercachun 😉
@CameronB – Clearly, give these ungrateful whinging Scotch provincials an inch and they’ll take a mile.
“loud mouth cybernat footsoldiers …” – Speaking of which I’ve yet to receive my cheque from SNPblackops.
A view from down South in the telegraph.
http://archive.is/UHDi3
Rambling and full of prejudice.
The French want no-one to be their superior. The English want inferiors. The Frenchman constantly raises his eyes above him with anxiety. The Englishman lowers his beneath him with satisfaction.
Alexis de Tocqueville
1805 – 1859
Inbhir Annain
I bought it through Amazon UK but it is being shipped for the USA, next week, maybe.
@ SquareHaggis @ Christian Wright
When I reminded him/her of the democratic mandate for the referendum, Scotland’s positive balance of payments, etc., someone else popped up with international influence and the viability and security of our financial sector.
Strange what some folk priorities.
Call me Dave… when it got to some fool claiming 98% of the UK’s GDP was English, I burst out laughing… honestly, the MSM have got the English completely fooled… only problem that is going to create for them is a massive UKIP vote in 2015. I have said it before, watch this space for a BIG UKIP problem for the Torys and Labour in Westminster.
The English
(Flanders & Swan)
The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We’ve left in the hands of three unfriendly powers
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot
You’ll find he’s a stinker as likely as not
The English the English the English are best
I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest
The Scotsman is mean as we’re all well aware
He’s boney and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And hasn’t got bishops to show him the way
The English the English the English are best
I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest
The Irishman now our contempt is beneath
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
He blows up policemen or so I have heard
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third
The English are moral the English are good
And clever and modest and misunderstood
The Welshman’s dishonest, he cheats when he can
He’s little and dark more like monkey than man
He works underground with a lamp on his hat
And sings far too loud, far too often and flat
The English the English the English are best
I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest
And crossing the channel one cannot say much
For the French or the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch
The Germans are German, the Russians are red
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed
The English are noble, the English are nice
And worth any other at double the price
And all the world over each nation’s the same
They’ve simply no notion of playing the game
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they’ve won
And they practice before hand which spoils all the fun
The English the English the English are best
I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest
It’s not that they’re wicked or naturally bad
It’s just that they’re foreign that makes them so mad
The English are all that a nation should be
And the pride of the English are Chipper and me
The English the English the English are best
I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest.
And you thought they were joking?
Since we’re on the subject of poetry, I digress
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=jem%20rolls&sm=1
Maybe its worth remembering that we too have had our moments of thinking ourselves righteous. It’s not many nations that convince themselves they are God’s chosen people:
If you have a spare hour, I commend this: Disturbing, ambiguous. One of the really difficult times in our history to assimilate. Still not sure what I think:
nb, fifth or sixth one down the list
Billy Watson TV. – Blind Poetics – 11/11/13 – Jem Rolls
Every Englishman is convinced of one thing, viz.: That to be an Englishman is to belong to the most exclusive club there is.
Ogden Nash
I saw a headline on a newspaper on Saturday (I was buying petrol) that read “Scotland has to face up to slave trade past” or something like that.
“Having read this chapter I share the frustration evident in the posts above, but their tenor might justifiably be viewed by those less charitable as stereotypical chippy Scots bitching”
Its not often I disagree with you Christian but the thought that the minute we complain about the obvious bias towards Scotland out comes the term “chippy Scots” to excuse inexcusable behaviour, kinda reminds me of the revs point about Godwins law on an earlier post just because a person relates the behaviour of this government to Nazi policies that does NOT mean they lose the argument,especially when it is palpably true,
Turn that on its head, just how chippy have the government been in the past couple of years,the faux sense of hurt coming from Westminster is laughable,
Yes we’re chippy with bloody good reason!
Scotland out voted 10 to 1 in Westminster. Scottish votes do not count, Westminster have manuipulated incessantly, over Scottish affairs. The Act of Union1707 has not been honoured. The promised equality has been eradicated, contemptibly, breaking UK and International Law.
Rev –
This chapter is missing from the complete list because its tag is wrong.
Fixed, ta.